If you do not trust the woman, wrap it or do not have sex with her at all. If you can not trust her on birth control habits, why do you trust on her promise of exclusivity? Primary STI risk. If she wants to get pregnant by you, she will also lie if she already has an STI. Secondary STI risk. If you need to control her, something is wrong already. It is a wasted effort.

Building attraction and intimacy slowly counteracts most hysteric bonding strategies and is not only healthy but also allows for a good screening process.

Yes, I got daddy baited

This is literally a playbook of how my ex-wife suckered me. Should add in Damseling behavior as well. They love to project weakness to pull Captain save-a-hos in. Could be an "abusive" ex-boyfriend, or a job where she isn't treated well. I was so stupid.

Pure knowledge, thanks for sharing your experiences.

Don't take your guard down when you are dealing with a widow. Married men suicide rate is sky high in every country. Chances are that's how she became a widow. You don't wanna end up with something so sinister that drive people to suicide. Don't play with fire if you don't want to get burned.

This shouldn’t even be a problem for most men that respect themselves not to get involved with a single mother in the first place

Jayzus. There's a reason RP-aware forums all scream, "DON'T DATE SINGLE MOTHERS." Doesn't help with the first-timers trying to get pregnant, but...wow.

A man can ruin a life of a woman, but a woman can and may ruin a life of a man entirely legally. Sad but true.

Love that tldr

When his TL;DR said fuck that read it, i knew the man was writing scriptures.

Very insightful. The only thing I’d like to add, is to watch out for the women that are in their early to mid 30s as well, even if they don’t have children already. They know their window is closing, so they can be desperate and conniving. They will act as if you are soulmates, and try to rush you along to the altar or into fatherhood.

How to know she is daddy-baiting you? She plays house with you - stays in your house or you in hers, fornicates with you, relegates you to responsibilities regarding taking care of her kids.

How to prevent getting daddy-baited? Don't fornicate with single moms.

jokes on her, i have a vasectomy. She would waste a lot of years trying to trap me

Pro-tip: Don't into single mon.

Thanks for the advice, feels good to have the knowledge to filter this kind of stuff, though I will never approach a single mom even for sex.

Remember gentlemen: the only valid contraception method is the one you use.

Ah yes, happy to see this comment as a stand alone post so more people can be aware!

Haha well I've gotten pretty good at knowing when people are being fake. I mean it gets pretty obvious when people try to pretend they share the same interests as you.

This should be taught in schools in social studies/civics class.

Don't let your dick make you abandon your brain. What are you doing fucking with a single mother anyway?

Great write up.

Nice points !

And I knew your name seemed familiar. Glad to see you here man.

Hell, I thought this was going to be about chicks with daddy issues. I like chicks with daddy issues.

ALWAYS use protection. Never believe them if they say they 'Can't have children' for a medical reason or if they say they are on the pill. ALWAYS use a condom. Or get the snip.

This should be stickied and possibly taught in schools!

And this gents is why you never ever date a single mother.

My ex totally tried to get pregnant without me realizing. I was really naive at the time. She wasn't a single mom but she did almost everything on this list. She was also really manipulative when I'd ask her basic questions like "are you still taking your birth control?" she'd say "How come you don't trust me?!?" She'd guilt trip me hard and it was only after we broke up I realized I had every right not to trust her. She started dating this other guy immediately after me and was pregnant roughly a month after we broke up. Dodged a major bullet.

Some solid advice OP, be careful out there men.

While this is all so true, I can summarize all of this into one point:

1. If she is a single mother, THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT. If two people are willing to have sex, the possibility of pregnancy is statistically ALWAYS present. That means she is either: 100% shit at spotting a good partner or she is the problem.

Nice stuff. Its not really a stretch to say this is pretty accurate but you got one thing wrong. This behaviour is not reserved to single moms. Its shared by every manipulative, conniving, characterless and incompetent woman out there. (Not all women obvio thats why i mentioned these traits. But the percentage of these women is growing).

If you want to marry someone, date them for 2 or 3 years atleast. You have to be through every situation good and bad. Its easy to act for 6 months to get the wedding. Not so much to do it for 3 years especially if you have a good BS and red flag detector.

Supply your own condoms, keep them under your control at all times. As fun as it is for her to put it on you during foreplay, it just gives her a chance to damage it.

From the perspective of a 30-something, CF, married woman...

Being a stepmother was literally the most thankless, hellish job of my life. I'm glad I escaped with my sanity.

The ex-wife is likely fatter, older, less successful, and less attractive than you. She will hate you for this and make every effort to turn her unwanted brat(s) against you. I'm CF and for some reason she felt she was depriving me with a bond with her precious daughter by slandering me

Can't wait to see how the people from MGTOWBan and againstHateSubreddits, hamster spin their way to explain how a bunch of guys, who don't want to raise another man's child or get baby trapped are mysogynist incels...

All men are outright brainwashed from birth, through school, college, university, the workplace, movies, tv shows and everywhere else that single mothers are the real strong heroes that are the backbone in society and a man would be lucky to be with a single mother.

All young males should be told that single mothers are to be completely avoided regardless of their circumstances as all men deserve better than settling for the dregs of society.

He just described most women lol. All women i had dated were narcs. This is cluster b personality disorder behaviour

Google “3 stages with a narcissts“ and everything will click

TLDR: Fuck That, Read It!

Well spoken and

Lol my best friend dated a girl back in 2018 who was a complete and utter slag. He only dated her for a few months before he was telling me 'shes the one' and that they were going to start renting a place together, making a shared bank account, having a kid etc. i couldn't help but laugh at him. He had no idea he was being bamboozled. Then all of that came crashing down when he found out she had cheated on him with her ex when she was out of town for a funeral in her home town 2 hours away.

I feel bad for whoever that bitch is dating today

Thanks man. I was afraid to lost that comment and never read It again.

Get a vasectomy.

If you think you'll want kids eventually, hire a fertility clinic to freeze your own sperm beforehand.

Even simpler: avoid single moms.

For me, a single mother is an immediate deal-breaker no matter the circumstances (excepting widows maybe if they're still attractive and feminine, confrontational attitude puts me off instantly, be it a 10, a single mom or no).

However, your exposition is incredibly insightful and i learned a few things from it, so thank you.

I don't know wtf the "knees to the shoulders" technique is, can any of you explain?

Red flags: anything that comes with legal responsibility.

Dating should be like camping. When you leave, it should be like you were never there.