Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
Created by kevin32
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
Rules of conduct:
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
- 2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate tribe.
Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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actorrebel356 3y ago
Yet if a man states that he is dating for marriage, the woman would run off faster than you can say ghosted.
cryptothrow2 3y ago
Loneliness-inc
u/Loneliness-inc please could you help with the video links? You can drop it on red
ineeddola 3y ago
Reminded me of the chick who asked me if I’m married on first date, followed up by asking if I want to have kids and sharing her plans to have kids and settle down. H*** sht. Put that in your bio so we know to swipe left.
gfgdhj5784yu8 3y ago
She should be happy he did not just get up leave. I cannot imagine a greater red flag than mentioning marriage on a first date. The tradition of marriage died with traditional women at the turn of the century.
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, marriage is for the kids. If you don’t have children with the potential wife, or don’t intend on having children with her right away, then there is no reason to get married. Even then you would be wise to tread carefully. In today’s world women treat marriage like a 401k they can tap whenever they need to.
We aren’t given the age of the people involved, but if the women is over 30 then maybe this response is even more justified. Women want the wedding but not the marriage. If more women were marriage quality then we could have a different discussion. Most don’t bring anything to the table except a used up body and a longing for certain men of the past.
In case anyone needs another reminder, don’t marry single mothers.
Loud-Bottle-7879 3y ago
Paragraph one about hits the nail on the head. The past girl I was seeing got furious that I said I wouldn’t marry her because she didn’t want kids. Told her that’s basically like having a girlfriend who you become legally financially liable for, I didn’t see the sense in that. She ended up leaving and the next guy wouldn’t marry her either!
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
That’s what they want, the financial security
Loud-Bottle-7879 3y ago
Right? I told her it would be crazy for me to do that. Said no need to give up half my stuff and half the equity in my home if she decided she gets bored. She just couldn’t wrap her head around why it wouldn’t be a good deal on my end. My stance is if I am going to put half my stuff on the line, I need to get a child out of that deal.
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Marriage vows aren’t worth a damn thing anymore. Somebody should come up with a post entitled: Marriage Vows For The Modern Woman.
I would love to see those submissions.
Funny_Wolverine_9 3y ago
$300k in legal fees, dozens of false accusations, and living in poverty after losing everything I worked hard over 2 decades, I can say this is accurate.
shardikprime 3y ago
GODDAMN
CartAgain 3y ago
> In case anyone needs another reminder, don’t marry single mothers.
based. I should just start ending conversations that way
rockstar2022 3y ago
I lost some of my best friends due to single mothers. "sigh" And by lost, i mean that they are just not my best friends anymore because they don't want to talk to me. They so blue pilled. I felt so lucky and enriched with knowledge when i finally left the blue pilled life......into the redpill life.....then walking away for good. This is the way. I agree with you CartAgain....don't date or marry single mothers.
OhBarnacles_007 3y ago
I was scrolling through IG the other day and this video popped up of this girl wanting another kid. The comments were a gold mine as usual. No women gives a dam about her "husband" any more. He's partially a sperm dispenser and ATM. The women in the comments were liked I worked out super hard to get him nut in me, get that second baby girl!, blah blah.
Hell even in one of these "marriage" subreddits some girl was mad she wasn't pregnant yet because she wanted a kid. The guy had promised her but not in any timeframe. So naturally the comments were attacking the guy for not giving her what she wants and giving it now! Even her own comments exposed her shady post making him look like the bad guy when she was being meek with the details.
While I understand getting married for kids and all that, make sure the woman you do it with is worth it. Hell make sure she makes more then you so you can sue her ass for alimony in case she tries to screw you.
Braucifarian 3y ago
If there are kids and there is a divorce, she is getting the kids. So no, you aren't getting any alimony money as a guy when (not if) she gets the kids. You're still paying child support.
CRobinsFly 3y ago
Regarding the last paragraph - hard to do in today's day and age because most of the time they wont even consider you to be a suitor unless you make more than them (I suppose you could lie and they wouldnt know until you were legally required to disclose). If you ever want to turn a woman off super fast, tell them your dream is to be a stay at home dad and she can be the breadwinner; palpable distain.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
The dating market is unfairly weighted towards men who are either exceptionally attractive, or able to provide a solid middle class + life for a family on their own. Even guys like me who am open to marriage, she better be a good selection. Current girl is almost a decade younger, nice to me and cares a ton about making me happy. Couldn’t imagine considering wifing up a lesser woman.
CartAgain 3y ago
What do you mean by "unfair"? It is what it is.
I agree with your statements...but why would it be otherwise? In todays world the people in positions of power -- women with looks and men with money-- dominate the market, and use their power to make everyone elses lives hell
IceCorrect 3y ago
I think it's unfair beacuse there much more demand than supply
NoShitsGivenAtAll 3y ago
This is hilarious... my my... oh, women, you definitely got what you asked for. Now enjoy!
Braucifarian 3y ago
After swiping left through dozens or hundreds of guys in her league she swiped right on Chad on a hookup app then is shocked to find out Chad is using the hookup app for it's intended purpose and is brutally honest.
PirateDocBrown 3y ago
I, too, would be shocked by honesty.
Loud-Bottle-7879 3y ago
Who wants to bet she is “dating with a purpose” now after being in his shoes the last 8+ years?
mattied23 3y ago
It's all fun and games when the female half wants to get her rocks off, but if a man is in the prime of his life and hooking up with chicks, he's somehow a shallow individual who is to be shunned in the public square for daring to flirt with a woman who "Isn't looking for hookups" and "Doesn't want to play games"
Overkillengine 3y ago
Why should he commit 50% or more of his assets when he can get his dick wet for the cost of a smartphone and a right swipe?
Winter_Lie_4994 3y ago
I bet she has nothing else to give. Probably in debt too
_Nequis_ 3y ago
I like how she's the one feeling humiliated while lacking the basic social skills to understand how fucking cringe her question was on a first date/hangout. Even if the guy didn't burst out in laughter he'd be gone running for the hills shortly after.
Devinequicest 3y ago
I dont have social skills and I feel attacked lmaoo
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
I glossed over that it was a first meetup / date. That makes it even more absurd. You need to show at least some diplomacy and savvy. Even if the guy knows that is what you ultimately want you shouldn't be stupid enough to come out and directly say it
That said I briefly dated someone who was clear about wanting kids on the first date. Mainly because she told a story of a guy she had dated who didn't want them, had a vasectomy and she thought he was stupid because she was a primary school teacher so he should have assumed that "of course" she loved kids and wanted her own. I shrugged it off because "woman nearing 30 who wants kids" is not exactly a groundbreaking revelation
Winter_Lie_4994 3y ago
“Thought he was stupid because she was a primary school teacher so he should have assumed that” Wow. I couldn’t deal with someone like that. Instead of communicating something this important(having kids), she assumes he knows.
vic_vega_is_fake 3y ago
That guy laughed for good reason. He knows you are looking for a wedding, not marriage. He knows you will most likely divorce rape him after the tingles go away.
Chad knows the deal
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Apparently no-fault divorce only became law in the U.K. today. I assumed it was already in place
Reading how it is explained has reinforced how uninterested I am in the idea - even if anyone was interested
I-am-the-lul 3y ago
Even they know that men would not see this as a good thing.
420W33DSN1P3R 3y ago
You're still fucked in the red states after a divorce anyway. You still end up paying alimony and splitting property in "half" as well as child support. I have a friend whose wife divorced him in Texas. She used to drive an old van which was the family car then bought a brand new Mercedes with the alimony and child support money. She then got her ass and tits done via plastic surgery. He barely has any money left after he pays her and the child support for 3 children, lives in a room in someone else's house. She (45) started the divorce too, because she wanted to fuck a much younger guy (25) which she did until the guy bailed out on her.
Snoid_ 3y ago
I'm in Indiana, also a red state, but with no-fault divorce laws. The ex-wife was a serial cheater who had an exit affair with a drunken bisexual promiscuous guitarist in a grindcore band. Luckily, no alimony in the state, however, even with 50/50 custody, because she has had the same retail job since she was 18 and no college degree, I make a lot more money than her, so she's considered custodial, and I have to pay child support, have our son on my insurance, and have to pay for most incidentals. She was a cheating skank, I have the privilege of paying her for transgressions.
Don't get married...
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Oh I'm not disputing that. I was just wondering why US wasn't on the No Fault list as many red pill channels would have had me assume from listening to them
But now that I think about it they never say it is all of the US and they are usually from people based in places like California
Goldmansachs3030 3y ago
I got good thoughts about Texas, considered it until a dad was shot down there when he was baited to see his kids by the bitter ex-wife, and then this. Moreover guns and all, dude, what the hell.Anybody can clarify if i m wrong tho.
Goldmansachs3030 3y ago
Can you tell me in detail what this law says about the money bcz thats what matters the most. And BBC said tho it may lead to a sudden rise in divorce rates, experts believe marriage rates will also increase.
Yep, Matrix men will go and get red pilled heavily, the message spreads faster, more females run over and used up.
Where can one find good women?Eastern Europe,Poland?. Russia? UK, Germany i think are gynocentric countries.Most of the Europe as well.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
I must have not bothered to read in detail as I missed the claim by experts that marriage rates will increase
This seems absurd
The entire article was basically promoting the benefits of the new law to women (and like I said making absurd claims about children being better off). Since we know women file the vast majority of the time it benefits them much more. And it was also claiming it prevents people being trapped in marriages - the usual accusations there are about “abusive” partners (nearly always assumed to be men) or when religion is involved. Or when they feel forced by finances to stay. All of these are basically considered to be issues primarily faced by women
Therefore the only way you could logically argue that these new measures would lead to an increase is if you assume the risk of being “trapped” in a marriage (and by trapped i of course mean - having to wait two years and prove there is cause to get out - so not trapped at all) is a reason why WOMEN are refusing to get married. And that this law will change that attitude
This is clearly ludicrous.
Of course the inverse is true - why would men sign up to deal that can be broken without cause and leave them potentially financially liable. I really want to know who these experts are who think rates will increase
As to the money - it doesn’t really say. It claims that long and drawn out divorce proceedings are more likely to be acrimonious and lead to the people hating each other more. Implication being more likely to want to screw each other over. The claim is that this quick no fault situation will allow for a more amicable split
I am sure I also saw mention of the financials being settled afterwards and not within this 6 month period. It basically wasn’t really addressed (surprise surprise)
What it absolutely isn’t is a law that says - oh you can bail without reason / fault and the whole thing will only take six months. But you get no money if you do this and preferential custody goes to the person who didn’t give up on the marriage. That latter would of course imply “fault” indirectly. But basically no real change
So - as predicted - an even worse deal for men without absolutely no new upside. Any new upside almost exclusively benefits women. No surprises
And yet you are saying you saw suggestion of an increase in marriages being predicted ?! (I know I have already said this but I can’t get over the absurdity)
Ayrab4Trump 3y ago
Sadly these events are probably driven by feminists who want to destroy marriage outright by making it wholly infeasible to the modern man.
ZZoMBiEXIII 3y ago
>Go on hookup apps then get shocked to learn guy she met there is looking for a hookup
>Water works then seek validation
>30 goto 10
Overkillengine 3y ago
basic bitch code
Glittering-Meat3088 3y ago
Anyone who would use a hookup app to look for marriage deserves to get laughed at.
Goldmansachs3030 3y ago
Whole reddit is like this.I mean dude your wife was cumming last week with someone else's dick and now she is your love? Wake up, your money is going to woooooosh.
Glittering-Meat3088 3y ago
It's amusing that you're discussing money when your username is Goldmansachs.
And yes, that is the reality for most men when it comes to relationships with women. You lose your time, money, friends, and any semblance of stability.
Funny_Wolverine_9 3y ago
She will text him later in the week asking him to come over for Netflix and Chill. Unfortunately, a lot of them like to be humiliated as it's a sign of dominance.
This is also why they routinely turn down 'nice guys' who open doors and buy them flowers as it's a sign of being beta.
Goldmansachs3030 3y ago
They made it so that polite manners became a beta thing.
Snoid_ 3y ago
As Dave Chappelle said, chivalry is dead, and women killed it.
lorum_ipsum_dolor 3y ago
Never mind the countless guys she's laughed at over the years.
Unlike her, they deserved it. /s
otter6461a 3y ago
They DON’T EXIST to her. She never thought of them again after laughing at them.
IUpsetYou 3y ago
They literally don’t exist in the mind of the thot. That’s why they believe the average height is 6’2”. After all. The only men they’ve allowed to interact in their circles are the neck-tilters.
Devinequicest 3y ago
What if there was no men who asked her out ? I’m 23 and to this date never got anyone asking me out either for marriage or dating
lorum_ipsum_dolor 3y ago
I'd encourage you not to compare yourself with this woman. She was on a date and had the moxie to ask the guy about marriage. That tells me she's been on many, many dates before. She's no stranger to the dance, only to the notion of rejection.
In all likelihood the guy didn't even really laugh at her, he probably just let out a chuckle when he said he was a just looking for a good time. The fact that it smarted so bad is just evidence that "he was hawt". Had he not been, she wouldn't have cared.
deckran 3y ago
If the case is not what the other replies mention then i have to ask the hard question which you don't have to answer. Are you a virgin? If no, then you can't expect dating/marriage when giving it up to other men without commitment first. If yes, then you have to understand that in the current post MeToo climate, lots of men are wary of approaching women because it takes only 1 false accusation to ruin his life. Add to that that men don't want to be rejected and made fun of in front of her friends or public if she doesn't think he's up to her level and lots of men checking out because marriage has no benefits for men anymore and dating is like a job interview and serious work from the men's side and you might have an answer as to why.
shardikprime 3y ago
Yeah there is plenty of fish in the sea
patgourdo 3y ago
That is impossible. Check again. Maybe you simply didn't recognize they were asking you out. It's impossible for a woman no matter her looks not to be asked out by someone.
poloppoyop 3y ago
Don't forget: ugly men don't count.
patgourdo 3y ago
Lol. That's what the topic is about. Women don't get to choose men, it's the other way round dear. Despite how it seems in romantic thought. Now ugly men don't count? What about ugly women. Or no woman is ugly? The fact is that All women are asked out by someone and many laugh at them and call them ugly. Later on they wonder why they have nobody or why men now laugh at them
HornsOfApathy 3y ago
Something tells me they were trading sexts and pics before they ever met, maybe she tried to show her value by being "sexually experienced", with lots of dirty talk and flirting, and when she said "marriage" after meeting he fucking lol'd as he should have by just looking at her.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Reading between the lines I would guess the guy was much more attractive than her (but she probably didn’t realise it because women over value themselves)
He was the sort of guy she would envision standing next to her in wedding pictures. Him laughing in her face is a pretty brutal way of him telling her she is not on his level (in terms of for a relationship). And it is reinforced by him pretty much saying that “just looking for some fun” - the unsaid part is “with you”
Just like how many women will apps will say something like - “I realised I’m not interesting dating right now”. Once again the “you” is the unsaid missing word
NickTesla2018 3y ago
Absolutely tragical. ; )
redhorndog 3y ago
Dating app and marriage goal.
Surely someone must have told her the two are mutually exclusive.
CreepyAssPenis 3y ago
Don't ask questions for which you are unprepared for every possible answer. Honesty is not always in the form of rainbows & unicorns
3HardWay 3y ago
Women are used to "communicating" with each other through constant lies. Always rainbow and unicorn answers, no matter how little truth is contained within.
This protects the feels without letting pesky reality get in the way.
CartAgain 3y ago
They are political instead of philosphical. Philosophy is concerned with objective truths, politics is about trying to "win".
Most people, especially women, dont really care about the truth; people who do can often get blindsided by assuming others are the same as them
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otter6461a 3y ago
That’s wise!!
FlowComprehensive390 3y ago
And they call straight-talking by men "toxic" and have spent the past 30+ years brainwashing boys to act like women. Then they wonder why so many men today think they are women.
OhBarnacles_007 3y ago
Almost as if men should have told women to eff off a long time ago. The biggest thing that hurt men is when women pushed fathers away from raising their own kids and pushed their bs instead.
Wide-Illustrator2906 3y ago
Chad's never fell for this though, only nice guys.
saucey_cow 3y ago
Two things here. Dating app...which it looks like a T where it was scribbled out so I assume Tinder. Why in the hell are you expecting MARRIAGE on a HOOKUP app?
Second, courting is a great thing. You shouldn't aimlessly date around and "see what happens". Keep that body count as low as possible and find a suitable husband. But we all know thats not what really happened. You're on a hookup app, got some strange for some years, and finally in your epiphany phase you decided to """settle down""". Used up, been around the whole block, and you want your good beta bux provider. I can guarantee you that woman is not a virgin.
Fact is, this isn't the 1950s anymore. Courting doesn't exist anymore(Negligible). Women holding onto their innocence doesn't exist anymore. You're expecting a one way transaction here. What does that man get from this? What are YOU bringing to the marriage?
And of course, the cycle continues. Divorce rate up, marriage rate down.
Devinequicest 3y ago
One thing i can agree is the dating a lot and see what happens. I would never do that, I don’t have it in me fr. 3 maximum and if after 3 men I am still alone, I’ll stay alone, no need to date more, I think I can get it ; I am meant to be alone. A family member of mine is like that, she dates and dates and dates and if this is over with a guy she finds another one within a week and she thinks it’s a flex but these men don’t value her… Fucks me up
Winter_Lie_4994 3y ago
The men who hold out for delayed gratification get the shitty end of the deal. He’s the one more likely to get an std
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
If she’s one of the ones with a massive friend zone and double digit (at minimum) body count by 22 who is suddenly being “serious”, she deserves the mockery.
If she’s one of the good ones with a low body count and not looking for an unequal partnership (where she’s the primary beneficiary), she should blame the women who are ruining things for her, not the man for being honest. In fact, while not exactly the nicest way of communicating it, he did her a favor. Instead of stringing her along for some good times until she started trying to get serious, he spared her the alpha widowing.
TheSilverShade 3y ago
I mean by now. Most women know marriage is a shitty deal for men. They just feign ignorance
reignoferror00 3y ago
but, but, but, ALL that "emotionally labor" is SO exhausting. After a couple years I had to go down to part-time and then quit my paying job. You can Just get a second job, you know - that easier thing that gets those pesky pay checks and I'll selflessly contribute my "emotional labor" when my television shows aren't on, and I'm not on my phone, and ...
I wonder what the next bullshit buzzword is that they'll pervert the meaning of next.
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 3y ago
No they don't!
Just listen to them for 5 minutes. They keep bitching about how...
Marriage is a tool of patriarchal oppression of wymynz.
TheSilverShade 3y ago
That would really surprise me I think deep down they know but they fake it by talking about patriarchy.
They'd have to be living under a rock to not know it with the number of divorce rape stories.
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IUpsetYou 3y ago
Surprised he didn’t future-fake her to ensure the lay. To be fair. She chose him which means he’s white and tall enough to get away with being honest about this and still get the sleeve.
Bob_and_Virginia Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Guess what? I laughed out loud too from reading that.
DrDog09 3y ago
Welcome to a man's world baby.
OraleEse13 3y ago
That is a funny ass story. Men aren't falling for it anymore.
FlowComprehensive390 3y ago
Lemme guess: found on one of the subs for "OMG clock's running out!" women to try to strategize how to hook a sucker.
Sorry hon, if you wanted to date for marriage the time for that was when you were getting a train run on you in your sororstitute days. Now you have to either lower your standards dramatically or start adopting cats.
cautionTomorrow555 3y ago
Saying no to the women who want me to provide for them and give them kids now that I have money and they are in their 30s who previously ignored me when I was struggling in my 20s is one of the best feelings ever. While you were getting drunk and fingerblasted by some frat bro or getting gangbanged by the hockey team I was studying or working now you expect me to pay for you and give you kids? Go fuck yourself if you didn't want guys like me then you don't deserve us now. I hope you feel the last of your eggs dying and you smell that sulfur knowing that is the scent of your last hope of having kids fading. When you are laying on your death bed filled with regrets know that you deserved the pain you brought on yourself.
Devinequicest 3y ago
Nah bye, I am 23 and I wish I could settle down and live happily and peacefully but no I can’t. And I am not banging the whole city so get out with that. Then when I will be in my 30s or 40s, I will be considered too old for you fuckers to be with, even tho I will be more mature and more responsible than right now, so I am basically fucked. Believe it or not but there are some women in their 20s who don’t fuck around and wish they could settle down.
FlowComprehensive390 3y ago
Why not? I can guarantee you could find a looks-match guy willing to wife you up. If you can't then either you have a horrific personality or you're reaching way beyond your RMV.
saucey_cow 3y ago
She's expecting a man in his prime to give it to her, while she had zero intention of doing the same when she was in her own prime.
You reap what you sow.
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IceCorrect 3y ago
Tbh, women give so subtle signs so only after few years i realize they was hitting on me. But they will never be direct so it's hard to tell if you guess right or wrong
saucey_cow 3y ago
Huh? I think you replied to the wrong person.
Devinequicest 3y ago
Ah yeah fuck my bad
PirateDocBrown 3y ago
I wanted to get married, from 18 all the way to about 42. Through my 20s, I had very little money, even though I was pretty fit (and I am fairly tall), so I struck out a lot.
But once I had that STEM PhD, and the nice salary that came with it, boy! The women came from everywhere. I just had a few requirements for the prospective wife and mother of my kids.
First, she had to be young enough for healthy offspring, say 32 or so, max.
She had to have no kids of her own, already.
No signs of serious mental illness.
Not a spendthrift, no massive credit card debt from shoes and purses or bullshit. Or massive student loan debt for useless degrees.
Reasonable healthy, to include obesity.
And that was it. Really only those things that she would need to be a good wife and mom.
Mind, for some time women were throwing themselves at me, 6 foot 1, still fairly trim, healthy, and earning something like $190k, by todays dollars. I had a Mercedes, a house in a fashionable neighborhood, and wore high quality clothes. Truth be told, I did get a lot of action, but was very careful with my DNA.
Now, guess how many women who were interested in me met my very reasonable and minimal standards? Zero. Out of well over 200 that had seen daybreak in my bed. Every single one was already a single mom, or had massive debt, or I found out was heavily medicated for mental illness. (The fatties didn't even get that far). Every. Single. One.
What happened? Well, I turned 42. I started dating women more my own age, resolved to save all I could, then early retired at 50. Bought a much cheaper house in a quieter, more out of the way area, traded my Mercedes for a reliable Toyota, and now wear jeans from Costco.
I travel the world (at least until Covid hit), and really enjoy myself, and learned to be a really good cook. I still date a lot, but no longer fool myself that marriageable women exist.
So, there were some "good" women, back when I was under 30, but they weren't interested in fighting the good fight by my side. Eventually I won that fight on my own, and then those that wanted me, wanted me to redeem their losses. No thanks.
Recreational use only.
polishknightusa 3y ago
Due to culture and biology, perhaps the one most important trait young, eligible women desire in men isn't looks or money, but him making the approach. Roll that around in your mind for a moment.
So women who approach you, even though you're successful and good looking, are usually damaged or vulnerable in some way and they're aware of it at some level. Women routinely shame other women by asking her “how did you two meet?” They view it as supremely empowering to have a man do the classical approach including the dinner date. Fairy tales are full of narcoleptic women being kissed by creepy princes.
I think this explains why so many damaged single mothers are out there. It’s not just that Chad or Tyrone knocked them up or alpha widowed them but rather the early bird, despite his other flaws, gets the worm. That bird may need some game, but by the time a woman is 23 or so, they’ve hit the first “wall” so to speak and have slept with whatever guy made the approach she wanted and she’s widowed.
Women older than that who are otherwise largely ok still hold out for that fairy tale approach but you don’t see them because they’re hid in the castle tower waiting for you to magically find them.
In the past, this wasn’t an issue because:
A) Women were expected to get married by 25 and they had a sense of urgency and still were in the social network of school and such. They also had lower standards. This ties into:
B) Women were “oppressed” and told to put family ahead of career or even her self pride. Women back then didn’t ask men out, but they were “easy”. My mother’s SOLE shit test for my father was she gave him her name and made him look her up in the phone book.
When modern women finally decide to give up on the sleeping beauty fantasy, they compensate by upping their other demands: “OK, I may have had to lower myself by going OLD, so I’ll demand he be 6 feet tall AND post some snarky demands to show I’m not desperate!”
I did a similar thing myself when I came to the conclusion that women were hypergamous in terms of money so I decided ok, I was going to live up to the 1950’s role model BUT I was never dating a plain looking woman again. It turns out that this was invaluable to me for my mental frame.
It’s possible, I suppose, to day game the remaining women who are not terribly damaged that I refer to as “corporate nuns”: They go to work, go home and grocery shopping, and hang out with family and complain “No man has asked me out yet!” Thanks to sexual harassment laws, most intelligent men don’t want to risk getting fired by asking her out.
In my own case, rather than try to scale the tower to find a 30 year old American corporate nun, I married a foreign woman who was 25. This largely means that by the time a man has become the knight in shining armor and able to rescue such a princess, he doesn’t feel a need or desire to bother.
Glittering-Meat3088 3y ago
Remarkably similar to my own story and I can see those trends beginning to take root in myself.
I graduated in 2008 right at the height of the recession with a useless degree and from a broken home. Spent the next 6 years doing whatever jobs I could in tech to get ahead for very little money. Ended up losing my job in 2014 due to nepotism and corruption, along with a series of other difficult events in the months before and after. Nearly took my own life at the time. Had a moment of clarity and made the decision to bet my life into becoming a man I could respect instead of just throwing it away.
Eight years later and I'm a lead senior programmer at a top 5 fortune company, all my debts paid off, hundreds of thousands in cash, a healthy financial portfolio, and well on my way to becoming a professional mma fighter. I've trained with some of the best fighters in the world, including some top 5 guys in various weight classes from the UFC and belt holders current and former, I've slept with some of the most beautiful women in the world who keep coming back for more, and I'm productive and somewhat satisfied with the trajectory my life is taking. But it took a lot of work. Putting my head down and taking one step after another even when I didn't want to. Plenty of time and money spent, blood and sweat shed. Hell, I just had surgery a couple of days ago due to injuries and that's after another surgery I had 6 months ago due to the same. It's not easy but I enjoy it immensely. I should be back in training by the end of the month.
As for the women, well, funny story there. I've had women who rejected me in the past, some for men who were absolute train wrecks and didn't even make an effort to hide it, approaching me over the last few years. Like I would be interested in someone who rejected me, who is fatter, older, and either broke or in debt. I laugh at them and the look of utter shock and pain on their faces gives me significant satisfaction.
KangarooCrapper 3y ago
Women always hanging out at the finish line for the winner...
Devinequicest 3y ago
You traveled the world and still didn’t find THE one who’s marriage material ?
PirateDocBrown 3y ago
Stopped being interested in marriage altogether in my early 40s. No point in it. Maybe if she's insanely rich.
UpTheMetal702 3y ago
They really do not like the taste of their own medicine, do they?
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Bob_and_Virginia Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Ah hah hah hah hah hah!
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Women don't know how to date.
They were used to be dated until they reach the No Man's Land.
When they start dating, they advertise themselves horribly, and they expose all their flaws without even realizing it.
And the worst, their expectations are so out of the way.
OhBarnacles_007 3y ago
Women make up so many dumb arbitrary rules when dating too to make things more complicated. "If he does x then it means y and you don't need that girl!!!!" So ridiculous and some of the most delusional people ever.
APathWellTraveled 3y ago
Excellent insight tbh, good way to describe modern dating. Life on easy mode (for women) has been taken for granted, it isn't realized until they hit the wall.
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 3y ago
Just had a flashback reading this. I was going out with a 30ish years-old woman (I had just turned 30 myself). Not the smartest one out there, but quite charming. After a few weeks of going out, she was talking about marriage, saying how she wanted a husband, and trying to convince me that a life lived together would be amazing. And we hadn't even had a talk about exclusivity, a "what are we" moment, nothing. Clearly she had no idea what she was doing; she hadn't had the need to actively date yet.
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Just think that women never had to think what a man wants. She was approached all her life, she was told everything. The comfort in their minds was so high than when they reach 30-40 or more they have to start putting to work the few neurons left in their brains.
The problem with that is they don't have any clue that's why we see these kinds of profiles, and they write such stupid things, demands, etc.
When women are desperate, they behave stupidly, as it happened to you.
Devinequicest 3y ago
I’m 23 and I am working my ass off. Just a reminder to you guys that not all women have everything easy and use their appearance to get ahead in life. I’m a 4 when I make efforts and life have been/is extremely hard. Not trying to be a pick me girl but like not all women are that privileged like you described you. Thank you
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Devinequicest 3y ago
No im caribbean canadian and im thin, i just look like a baby who hadn’t sleep in years so yeah. Haha the tropical bird part was funny, and thank you for clarifying!
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SnooChipmunks3163 3y ago
I also would considered myself a 4 even I am also thin. Just being thin doesn’t mean I am attractive because from what I’ve seen men do like slightly chubby women. Also beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So if I don’t get much attention from men guess I am on the lower scale of attractiveness and it’s ok. That teaches me that I have to actually put work to land a decent guy. And that’s how I got married at 23 to an average guy. I am happy how it turns out Never liked pretty boys and thugs
attongirdeaux 3y ago
I work with someone like you. She is 30 now and makes a million plus a year. When men try to seduce her to get what they want from her, I have to remind her that its not her or her beauty they want but something else. If you end up wealthy, remember to become a gray person.
Winter_Lie_4994 3y ago
What do you mean by gray person? And what is it you think men want from her if not her or her beauty? Is it sex or her money?
attongirdeaux 3y ago
Money.
A gray person is someone you dont notice one way or the other. Think of extras in a movie or someone in your office that you might be able to recognize if your life depended on it, but you consciously dont think of them - ever. A gray person drives a shitty, car has a mortgage, and doesnt have money - publicly. In reality you save your money, you invest, and when you make it you dont let anyone know. I am a young millionaire (more now), but i still drive a 1990 piece of shit, and live in a 400k house in a major city. No one has a clue how much Im really worth. Embrace the gray.
rockstar2022 3y ago
\^This is the way\^
APathWellTraveled 3y ago
Makes me so happy that more and more men are realizing how absurd marriage is. Risk all your assets, risk your future kids being weaponized against you.
The fact this lady lost her mental composure from someone laughing at the expectation of marriage just shows how coddled she is in life and her expectations of men.
Glittering-Meat3088 3y ago
Modern women are laughably weak. They can't even handle constructive criticism, much less what the real world will throw their way. Ain't no way someone who is so weak they'll cry from this kind of shit and then have to go post about it online for their shot of validation and acknowledgement is ready to be a wife and a mother. She needs to do some serious work on herself before she should even consider dating someone, and that is the case for most women these days.
Cavannah 3y ago
Nearly everything remotely close to constructive criticism is usually taken as a personal affront.
Objective observation? - Obviously a slight against me!
Measured statement of fact? - I'm being attacked!
Robotic reiteration of policies/guidelines/regulations when they aren't being adhered to? - "Mansplaining!"
Taking on extra duties/training and assisting other departments? - My authority is being undermined!
Asking a question in a group meeting? - "You need to stop trying to sabotage me!"
They then inevitably complain about being "ostracized" or "ignored" or "silenced" when people wise up to the fact that the only way to "manage" a void of instability and misery is to ignore them, isolate yourself from them, and make sure they have no interaction with you or anyone in your circle.
It's incredibly tiring to have to constantly try and tip-toe around somebody else's right-angle-to-reality perceptualized feelings in response to impersonal professional communication and/or action. They will find a center in you, chew it up, and leave.
These people quickly dig themselves into a hole of their own making, then complain that it's everyone else's fault that they can't figure how how to not fuck everything up.
Glittering-Meat3088 3y ago
You put that under a microscope but it's spot on. They use shaming language as a tool to manipulate behavior to a point where your only options are to break down and comply or completely cut them off. Increasing numbers of men are choosing the latter.
CartAgain 3y ago
Facts are an attack against people who live a lie
panzer22222 3y ago
If you want to shut down the conversion and make it sound like her fault just ask if she will take your name...most modern women wont
Glittering-Meat3088 3y ago
Yeah, that would be a deal breaker for me in a marriage. Not that marriage is a good deal for men, but if I were to decide to pull that trigger she's definitely taking my name or I'm not marrying her.