Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
kevin32
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
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2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate forum.
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3. No comments such as "Her profile looks decent", "She's not asking for much", "At least she's honest". No comments saying a post is fake without proof. Proof must be sent via modmail.
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5. Submissions must show a woman who is looking for commitment while also either complaining about jerks or promiscuity, needing her kids provided for, being entitled or unreasonable, or complaining that she "can't find a decent guy". (Examples, details)
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5b. No posts of women who are merely fat, post-wall, unattractive, seeking sex or money, nor women merely behaving badly. (Examples NOT allowed)
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6. No personal information in dating profiles or social media accounts. Take a screenshot and censor all names, social media, hometown, school, and place of work. Additionally, censor any children's faces if their mommy included them in any profile photos.
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
That last line means your comment is removed.
No violence, even in jest.
Jenna2k 2y ago
Picking and choosing what parts of old fashion she is smh. If you are old fashioned great so act and behave like it don't use it as an excuse to get free stuff. This isn't the old days anyway so maybe she should act modern and pay her share. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE avoid people who expect you to pay for everything and find someone who does their part.
yomo86 2y ago
'I'm old fashioned'
Also her: I'm on Tinder
DrDog09 2y ago
Sadly back in the day when the ladies delivered the goods, 'he' doing the heavy lifting was not a red flag. How things change in 100 years.
ONEJOHNSON 2y ago
Should have asked her if she (being old fashioned) conforms to old fashioned female roles??
Or if she is picking and choosing roles only as they benefit her
ZarBandit 2y ago
Virginity is required for old fashioned rules.
ZarBandit 2y ago
Virginity is required for old fashioned rules.
Cursedwithknowing 2y ago
Sometimes, the trash takes itself out. She did him a favor by telling him her true nature. He dealt with it perfectly.
Blogginginvicecity 2y ago
It's very important to experience how a potential partner handles a variety of conflict. I have been so blessed for the trash to open their lids before I more seriously invested in them.
KamadoJonathan 2y ago
You dropped this, king
felafelsmoke 2y ago
She’s old fashioned in that she expects you to pay for everything, but not in being a virgin, cooking or cleaning
mustangfrank 2y ago
That is toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo old fashion.
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
Old fashioned in terms of responsibility.
New fashioned in terms of authority.
mustangfrank 2y ago
BobbingForBunions Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Nor in the way she expresses herself.
I've known old-fashioned women (including my elderly mother). They rarely swear. And never in such a confrontational manner ("Fuck you then.").
This chick is just another example of why men should doubt women's assertions.
BluepillProfessor 2y ago
Doubt? No, you should assume everything any woman tells you is a self serving lie.
[deleted] 2y ago
Yayaya! I wasn't even allowed to curse until my husband let me, because he finds it amusing. Irl, outside of internet, it feels dirty and improper.
[deleted] 2y ago
Just so you know I am very old fashioned. Therefore I expect you to have sex with me on demand and suck my cock every night, no questions asked. Oh yeah, and that's after the steak and potatoes dinner you are to prepare for me and have on my table ready for me to eat when I get home from fucking my mistress.
A woman is supposed to take care of her man and I won't accept anything less than that.
polishknightusa 2y ago
I dated a woman who thought like this but note that she was playing a game. She said that I would benefit from her "hard work" ("sacrifice" as she put it) LATER in the marriage but I had to provide EVERYTHING up front: (Not making this up, she said just this): Free paid meals, $10,000 diamond ring (she was quite specific about that price), and a big home presumably filled with top-of-the-line "labor saving" devices so she would do a minimum of housework.
Then, and only then, would she look at "saving" me money.
I ran off so fast her head spun.
These gals KNOW there's no law or even social pressure to hold her to her end of the "bargain" and her language, "sacrifice" implied she knew the reasoning behind "life to which she has become accustomed to" alimony. The moment she sunk her claws into me, she could change the arrangement like Darth Vader with Lando.
As I type this, this got me thinking that they have it the other way around: It should be women showing they are trustworthy and old-fashioned FIRST and then if the man is in the mood, giving her the benefits of her behavior as time goes by. If she's sweet and submissive and "fun" and all that, then she can say "I'd really like this, please" and if it's reasonable, he gives it to her just as men have to be nice to women to get sex. Both sides should pull their weight if they want to ask for something from the other.
mustangfrank 2y ago
Good for you. And maybe she learned something.
phishyfingers 2y ago
Morty: That just sounds like sexism with extra steps.
Rick: Ooh-la-la, someone's gonna get laid in college.
knv514 2y ago
Pretty much. Women forget that this is the social contract if men are expected to pay for everything. In addition, he can have multiple women.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
Came here to say: "I am old fashioned as well. I expect you to live on your knees." I see that you have already covered it.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
Fucker beat you to it!
OG_walrus 2y ago
I expect you to beat this to it every night.
Loud-Bottle-7879 2y ago
The worst part of this is how shocked she seemed with your reply, as if yours is abnormal. Sad state of affairs!
Old fashioned and on tinder, won’t go down that rabbit hole.
Simon_the_Piman 2y ago
A woman who is really old fashioned isn't on Tinder in the first place. Not unless she made a profile for a dare or is under some delusion it's for dating instead of Chad-fishing and desperate attempts at getting laid by sub-8 men.
havocLSD 2y ago
They think just cause they have a pussy that men would be willing to except inequality and adhere to rigid gender roles. Gotta bring more to the table then sex Becky.
SupremeWaifu69 2y ago
It’s abnormal tho, she probably had this sort of reaction multiple times yet she still expects it and then continues questioning where all the good men are.
I-am-the-lul 2y ago
Real "old fashioned women" are already married and they certainly wouldn't be on Tinder.
mustangfrank 2y ago
She: I give you nothing, and you give me everything.
Guy: bye
schmadimax 2y ago
She: shocked Pikachu face
ryohazuki224 2y ago
I would have replied with "Oh so I want you in the kitchen at all times ready to serve at my every whim then."
PirateDocBrown 2y ago
After the morning beej, anyway.
Blogginginvicecity 2y ago
What was shocking to me was how polite he was, and how immediately unregulated and vicious she was. "Old fashioned," LOL.
Plus, that "Old fashioned" term, geez, the chicks using that term have their head up their ass. Old fashioned? as in back when men and women both worked all day on the farm?
hjuringen 2y ago
No, they think back to the short lasting 50s, 60s and 70s where men worked and women stayed home.
They forget the fact they had no dishwasher, washing machine, robot vacuum cleaner and pre-made dinner. To be at home and care for the house and family was a full time job.
yellomachine 2y ago
And we didn't have housewives writing newspaper columns about how hard or unfair it was. They just did their job and they were happy.
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Still is, if done correctly. My wife makes home cooked meals from scratch every day, homeschools our daughter, does secretary type work for my small business, runs errands, cleans, and makes time for her husband.
Women don't know how to run a home anymore, used to be a profession passed down from mother to daughter. Today you have career girls with degrees who can't turn on a stove, and I've met some.
hjuringen 2y ago
Sure, then it is a decent profession. I know some of them and respect that choice as long as this is a family choice.
Just do not mix it up with how women of filthy rich families used to and still do nothing all day with servants running the home. You do not catch those by calling yourself old fashion on tinder.
PirateDocBrown 2y ago
Rich families do their best to marry their kids to kids from other rich families. Best to not dilute the capital. Kids are still born in wedlock, in the upper crust, even if the parents are estranged. Nannies do most of the raising, anyway. Divorce generally doesn't happen till the youngest is out of the house, usually to a private school. Even then, divorce rates are low.
I'm the poor relation of old money, so I know.
hjuringen 2y ago
Somehow not surprised, kinda expected this.
mustangfrank 2y ago
I thought with feminism and all that stuff, men and women were supposed to be treated as equals. I guess that does not apply to dating.
originalduttywhine 2y ago
When women like this one want something that suddenly all changes
Simon_the_Piman 2y ago
Past the very first generation that just wanted to vote or do basic stuff like be able to open their own bank accounts (yes im serious), that was a big fat lie.
They got equality 100 years ago.
PirateDocBrown 2y ago
50, employers could fire women for getting married or pregnant into the 70s.
Assuming of course, they could do their jobs just as well.
Women couldn't even buy real estate by themselves (though they could inherit or receive it as a gift). I know a woman that bought a house in the 90s, and she had to say on the deed that she was an "unmarried woman"
The space for a male owner made no distinction for marital status.
polishknightusa 2y ago
History lesson from an old man: Originally it did. That's why the vestigial appendage of the "fake offer" is unique to American dating. When the ERA was being pushed in the hopes of more goodies for women in the form of paid daycare, family leave (for her), etc., women pressured each other to pay for dates to lend the movement credibility. Feminist women even pressured each other to let men carry purses. This is when the game of the fake-offer was born: She would pretend to offer but if the guy didn't "man up" and white knight "insist" upon paying, she could then say "See sisters? I offered to pay but he just didn't work out for me. Wasn't MAN enough!" It also was a great way to get men to not only pay but to brainwash themselves into "wanting" to pay.
Ironically, this backfired in that men who do "enjoy" paying (for whatever reason, they like being the host) are now indistinguishable from wimps who pay out of fear of not "insisting". So additional shit tests were created.
Note that like the anti-racism movement of today, "equality" is a fluid term. The group that's "oppressed" is entitled to enjoy their sexism/racism because that 'levels the playing field' even if they are someone such as Emma Watson or Oprah Winfrey with a zillion bucks in the bank.
It's quite simple: Equality applies when it suits them, doesn't when it doesn't, but it's all called "equality" since they are victims.
This begs the question how someone can have a loving relationship with someone they regard as an oppressor.
Stahlboden 2y ago
Feminism has "femin" right in the name. "Femina" doesn't exactly mean "equality" in Latin. Even Sexism is more about equality than Feminism as it doesn't state right in the name which sex is to be considered superior/always right.
polishknightusa 2y ago
You beat me to this point. There's a term for gender equality which is "egalitarianism". Calling "equality" feminism from a female point of view defines equality in terms of what women want. Which does explain why they are both so insufferably entitled in that they think they're just calling for "fairness" while demanding the world revolve around them.
Psychotics are like this: They continually look for ways to gripe about how oppressed they are while thinking they're clever when throwing these standards out of the window to suit them.
Egalitarianism IMO is blue pill. It's a wonderful concept but when examined closer, undermines self worth as people then have to go against their own personal nature. Liken it to this: demanding short people try out of basketball because that's egalitarian while the tall dumb jocks should be made to study physics. It's "equal" but miserable.
A_Walt_Whitman 2y ago
They're all for equality until the bill arrives!
Filtering_aww 2y ago
We demand equality!
Okie dokie, you're now eligible for the draft, just like every man since the beginning of the country.
Wait not like that!
mustangfrank 2y ago
https://www.sheknows.com/living/articles/1120821/drafting-women/
If equality means sending my daughters to war, I want no part of it
by Amy Vowles
Jun 15, 2016 at 2:30 pm EST
Though our nation hasn’t had a draft since the 1970s, selective service registration remains a reality for young men. I admit that, as a mom to two young girls, the draft is not something I have ever given much thought to. It was only when I heard that Congress is seeking to expand selective service requirements to include both genders that I realized how much I oppose it.
Eoasap 2y ago
At least you're honest and stock up for what you truly feel. I respect that
battle00333 2y ago
And this is the sad reality, feminists and their ilk LOOOOVE to talk about "the patriarchy" and most of all, MALE PRIVILEGE!!! ...yet they get to enjoy the luxuries of no selective service or drafting, they cheer about how "the military is helping the unfortunate third worlders".
but all of that suddenly becomes a problem the moment you bring up "drafting both genders" then its suddenly very very wrong to deploy soldiers that die for these unfortunate third-worlders, and suddenly, sending Women to their deaths is grotesque and inhumane. My favorite argument ive seen is that "Men should be the ones to do it"
GulchDale 2y ago
"Old fashion" women tend not to be feminists, like at all. I've never dated old fashioned women and live in a liberal ares so in my experience they go out of their way to make sure everything is split 50\50. To me, a women not paying her own is a nonstarter and if I ask the women around me most if not all would agree.
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Old fashion women hated feminists.
42252252 2y ago
Please, I've been hearing "I'm totally not a feminist!" for years, and you know what? They don't need to see themselves as a member of the team to espouse their beliefs. Even the most trad-presenting churchy gals have the same beliefs their liberal arts counterparts do.
"Well, I want to be equal partners in a marriage, Submission sounds really gross, like I'm supposed to be a slave. Ew." Nevermind the fact that a husband is the closest legal position to true slavery we have today.
Being a feminist or not is pretty much a manner of branding, such is the completeness of their ideological victory. Anything mainstream or normal is feminist, and to be un-feminist is tantamount to flying a black flag and declaring unrepentant misogyny. It marks you as a radical, needing increased scrutiny to protect her from the inevitable financial/physical/emotional/laborial abuse that they are convinced comes with your belief system.
I know there are some traditional people in the original sense, but they are few and far between. The lures of modernity are too strong to live such a throwback lifestyle, for either sex.
[deleted] 2y ago
Yep. I know more than a few supposedly conservative/Christian women who also have a visceral negative reaction whenever Colossians 3:18 is referenced, and think VP Kamala Harris was some wonderful empowering moment for their daughters.
But if you call them a "feminist" they would reject that label.
mustangfrank 2y ago
Been a slave for 22 years, 4 sons.
SpearWeasel 2y ago
Hopefully, your sons have been paying attention...
mustangfrank 2y ago
No they have not. One is married. His wife is a mess.
GulchDale 2y ago
Pardon my ignorance. All i know is my experience has been that women I have dated are 50\50 types because any sniff of someone who can't take care of themselves are weeded out early on. And more traditional women are definitely part of that because I can make my own dinner, I can do my own laundry, and I clean up my own messes so they don't bring anything to the table if they can't even pay their own way.
polishknightusa 2y ago
May I ask where you live? I lived in metro regions including Los Angeles, New York, and DC and the women are the Cosmo types who offer to pay but then will dump the guy as "cheap" if he didn't "insist" upon paying. If they did pay, they would resent it YEARS later. Now, granted, that was 25 years ago and times have changed (in many ways) with so many thirsty men out there I would have thought the women in these regions would be more demanding, not less, but I'm not out in the field anymore. So I am curious as to your experience and observations.
GulchDale 2y ago
Portland Oregon. Those big city cosmo type women are pretty much only in the rich suburbs. A huge turn off for me is not being able to take care of yourself and having to rely on daddy or BF's. I want a partner, not a daughter. But definitely times are a changing.
polishknightusa 2y ago
I'm just curious by what you mean. Do these women 50/50 pay for their own way on dates? I have found that women who do that usually have a catch: They have this "independence" thing going on where they want to show they don't "need" a man and so they just play hard to get in other ways (in other words, they sabotage the relationship as a shit test to show she doesn't "need" you). Or they're covered in tats and piercings.
The dream for free-love and "good" feminism was that women who got all those affirmative action jobs and earned their own paycheck would stop mooching off of us but yet remain pretty and likable. They are unicorns. I know a few did exist, but they are very rare but that's my own anecdotal experience.
It's amusing that before 2nd wave feminism kicked off, most women largely were adults by today's standards: My grandmother got married young but worked at every job she could, helped run the family business, raised 2 kids including my father, cooked delicious homemade food daily, AND ran a local charity to help the local community. She woke up at 6AM and went to bed at 11PM. I regret that when career women told me they wanted a "traditional" man, (in other words, I pay for dates and the bills), I should have pointed out to them my grandmother and asked them if they were up to the challenge.
I don't remember much about her (keep in mind she passed on when I was 5) but I recall she was the happiest woman I can remember and not just around me.
road_laya 2y ago
When women say "you should get to choose to be traditional if you want to, and modern if you want to", they mean when they want to. But they don't realize that you can't just choose to become a traditional wife when you are 35 and you are starting to realize that you'll have your next 60 years to yourself, corona'd for life. And wives that choose to abandon the marriage when it's time to make dinner or the man want's her attention, can't go back when it's time to pay the bills.
Gundamsafety 2y ago
Women want to be treated as equals until a few minor things happen, then they are "women" and need to be treated as such.
2.The check arrives. A "real" man pays for his lady and takes care of her. LOL
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other than those she is equal to the man in every way possible.
tacticalslacker 2y ago
You forgot “defending the country” as well, AKA “there are no feminists in foxholes”.
Gundamsafety 2y ago
True or getting dirty at work and doing the crappy jobs like linemen in North Dakota in January.
Yes the list can go one soooo long.
MotorAggressive5115 2y ago
women just think in a different way then men, this post still would not make sense to women as hypocritical or true. they see themselves as stoic individuals on some Carrie Bradshaw Homeric Odyssey but women as an oppressed 'group'. they think as 'women' but believe they are 'woman'.
they see men the same way, evil MEN but love my JERRY. or whatever. and they but in modern society money is like a cheat code and men can have King like mountains of it so they will toss away all physical attributes for that green green paper.
then ultimately women shrug and don't see the problem with that, they harm no one and men are evil and violent.
BluepillProfessor 2y ago
Leftists act the same way with conservatives. We are so long suffering! It's ok to lie because, Orange man bad or if they give us $$$$.
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BluepillProfessor 2y ago
Every day? Nope, they change every minute as it suits them.
mustangfrank 2y ago
Considered_Dissent 2y ago
Definitely, very well said. The term Ive always used for it is "Buffet Equality".
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 2y ago
Orwell's doubethink for me. It's so delusional it fits a dystopia.
yellomachine 2y ago
I don't know why you were downvoted. I just gave you an upvote because you are right.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
We get occasional bitter feminist lurkers and white knight lurkers who think downvoting us will stop us from sharing our experiences and insights.
skint_back 2y ago
Occasional? FDS lurks this sub constantly. They are obsessed with Red Pill and related subs.
And then they reference with indignity male lurkers in every single post and comments. Which I’m sure they get loads of lurkers too, but just the hypocrisy of them acting like they don’t equally lurk the male-dominated subs.
Not that any of that should be surprising, but just thought I’d mention it, since I just performed my quarterly lurk over there to verify that they are still batshit insane. On a side note, one of the top posts was a suggestion to take a potential male partner to the gym to filter out LVM. Among the reasons given: men who skip leg day should be ghosted (stated un-ironically), men who drop weights should be ghosted, men who do not wipe down equipment before use should be ghosted, men who do super sets should be ghosted, men who glance or speak to female gym-goers should be ghosted, etc etc. LOL. Confirmation of batshit insanity verified.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
I can get behind ghosting someone who neglects leg day!
[deleted] 2y ago
Yeah fuck me for wanting to get maximum benefit from my muscle-rest period
42252252 2y ago
They really don't know what tradition even is anymore. They haven't had anyone in their family show them what it is, so they have this falsified version invented based on nothing more than old 60's barbecue commercials and period media about how terrible the olden days really were.
Elements of my "old fashioned beliefs" that have caused friction in my relationships in the past:
- It's not appropriate for either of us to have opposite-gendered "friends" outside of couples' activities. No long text chains between outsiders, no intimate contact, no venting, no nothing. even if it's just a friend's spouse texting you, you keep a certain appropriate distance between you. Even the possible appearance of impropriety should be avoided.
- What happens in the relationship (i.e. the family) stays in the family. No broadcasting disagreements online to poison the well against one another and air dirty laundry. We're a united front, us v. literally everyone else on the planet. No running to the parents/friends after every disagreement to give them the play by play (conveniently weighted in your favor, OFC) only to leave them completely out of the make up process. All those cracks accumulate, to the point you'll have a chorus of "why don't you leave?! You're just suffering so much abuse!!1!".
- Greatly diminished social media activity, especially thirst traps or advertising. Our private lives aren't for the enjoyment of friends and coworkers, or playing the status one-upping game. A few pics here and there may be acceptable, but it ruins a vacation when it's just one long photo op, eagerly watching strangers hit on you via the phone.
- Raising kids is serious business. I'm not one to just pop out autonomous, self-creching puppies that will take the shape of the society and culture they're poured into. I would liken parenting of quality to be the difference in producing a top tier supercar vs. a 3rd world shitbox, like the discontinued Altima in Mx. You don't want to cut any corners and you know every little interaction can affect the outcome forever.
houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 2y ago
I wonder what would happen if he asked her if she was a virgin still. After all, if she is old fashioned, she should be saving herself for marriage. Given the high rate of women who claim to be old fashioned when they only want old fashioned treatment from men without being old fashioned themselves, I would not be shocked if she were to be upset about being held to that standard.
yellomachine 2y ago
There is a downside to an old fashioned woman. Have you ever tried to have sex with a woman who has her hair in rollers? Its not the sexiest thing.
Krampus1313 2y ago
my wife was watching her Italian news show last night and it had a thing about sugar babies and these women were just demanding that dudes in Italy pay them 1500 euros a month just to be there. More if they want sex and that's not including the gifts that the man has to buy them. I laughed so hard at it
BeeAggressive5232 2y ago
Any man who has a sugar baby loses all respect I have ever had for him. It's like dudes who subscribe to onlyfans
42252252 2y ago
I hear this attitude a lot. If you ask what they bring to the table, they're thrown off and dig for the most obvious, non-benefits they can think of. "Uh....I'm great at conversation, I'm supportive....(they never specify how, no matter how often they say it. I rarely see fully supportive gf though, b/c ventures that would require their support are risky and they can't suppress their anger instincts when a guy threatens her free ride. Even if she'll end up with more to show for it later.)
"and I'm just like, tons of fun! All my friends always say I'm so fun and I'm just like the life of the party!" This just means that you'll have to give up your social life and plug yourself into hers. Enjoy hanging out with her friends, in her favorite places, going to her retaurants, etc!
When they say that, just cock your head to the side a bit and look puzzled, maybe if you need to lay it on thick, you can say "Are you, though? how? (are you fun?)" It's easy to brag about being the life of the party, but chances are if you need to say it, it's not all that true.
szopomokus 2y ago
the strong independent woman is basically a prostitute with better marketing & PR.
Blogginginvicecity 2y ago
Hey! The term is enterprising!... ...which is exactly what you're saying; I absolutely agree!
reignoferror00 2y ago
Enterprising ... beam me up Scotty, only thots down here.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Yeah - they all say "no sex" on those shows for the sake of appearances. Everyone else knows better
The grift is to get women to sign up for those sites even if they have no intention of providing sex. That in turn brings in more men you pay the high priced membership after going starry eyed when window shopping
And then when it comes down to it they get quoted ridiculous figures or "Online only" or even have aspiring sugar babies making demands over what they would like their guy to look like. As if it were a dating site where they also got paid directly
I am sure a small fraction have success with platonic stuff but noway near as many as the mainstream media would have you believe. And I say mainstream media because some of the major UK papers run stories about women sugaring their way through Uni as if it is completely normal and they print the lies about "no sex" with a completely straight face
polishknightusa 2y ago
There was a guy who ran a cool blog, Dawson Stone, who wrote about his bachelor adventures and he used the sugar baby sites to largely meet such women. Essentially, he dated them similar to tinder (he didn't buy them lavish gifts just to hang out) but rather he felt that being a 40 year old guy in great shape with a great job it was easier to find attractive women on the SB sites than the used up teases on Tinder. He had it factored down to "CPO" (Cost Per Orgasm) and would carefully mete out just enough attention and free meals to get a hot sugar baby into bed basically turning the tables on them.
Perhaps this is something that should be mentioned in game is for men to learn to think like women in showing off our assets and rationing them out rather than being so open and "honest". If a gal likes talking to you and wants to friendzone you, then consider making yourself less available but ramp UP the charm. Give out just a taste of what she wants rather than the full thing. She has a dishwasher that's not starting? Fix it JUST ENOUGH to start once and when she calls you again, take your time getting there and then grab a kiss. If she doesn't kiss you, walk off.
Anyhoo, this works on the my wife. 16 years.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I’m not sure sure that being attractive , in good shape, having a great job and lots of money that you use to buy women dinner really counts as “game”
But yes I think if you are attractive and rich enough some of these sugar babies will potentially date you “normally”.
And there are a subset of women on that site who at least claim that they are treating it like a more upscale dating app. As in trying to filter out the bottom rung due to the high membership cost
But not enough of them
yellomachine 2y ago
What did your wife think? I know mine would have been yelling at the screen in disgust.
........and perhaps a little jealousy
Krampus1313 2y ago
She actually said something along the lines of "these girls will never be able to find a man once their older in their looks go away"
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
So you are saying she was bang on the money then? An astute one you have there
Krampus1313 2y ago
Yeah I'm fucking lucky. Old fashioned sicilian lady not some new york "my great great grandma came from sicily and it's gravy" italian.
One-Move 2y ago
I consider sugar baby prostitution, so just to troll hard every time one comes up and declares to want to be a sugar baby i offer a contract, monthly allowance, but I call anytime of the day, 10min she is at my house and any sex I want, anyway I want. “But but but I only do oral with a condom”
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
One comes up? Where do these pop up to you? Do you mean the ones who try to sneak onto regular dating apps? I am fortunate to have not encountered any of these. But I imagine that is a combo of not looking rich in my photos and being under 40
One-Move 2y ago
Yeah 52 and some status, tinder is 1/3 dairy (24 and 5 children) 1/3 meat (200lbs+) and 1/3 wannabe sugar babies, but not Swedish supermodels, overweight unemployed single mothers
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
The dairy term is not one I had heard before! Nor do I fully understand the link! Funny none the less
I briefly looked at the sugar sites last summer. The delusion is real on those. Some of the women who think they can sugar. Yikes. It is another way that this subs points get proven.
Even whores or aspiring whores are picky, demanding and overvalue themselves (and their time) massively
There is a sub here on Reddit that makes for hilarious reading. The amount of average women asking if they can make money platonically. Because it is what they hear on podcasts, YouTube and tiktok. But to post a question on it kind of reveals they know it isn’t true.
And as per Reddit standards when the guys who are actually involved comment and tell them the truth they are shit all over
I had an amusing time reading some of that
One-Move 2y ago
A dairy cow needs to give birth regularly to produce milk. 24 with 5 kids, she got pregnant again as soon as biological possible. For the platonic sugar babies, i told them i would send them pictures of dollar notes.
SamsAdvice 2y ago
A "traditional" woman is also supposed to be submissive and not talk to a man like that in the first fucking message.
Simon_the_Piman 2y ago
Beat me to it.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
That's what I was gonna say. My traditional wife would never say that. She'd rather have a date at the park than waste money on eating out BECAUSE SHE CAN COOK. lol
ValiantCharizard 2y ago
old fashioned huh.
gets beaten because the dinner was 1° warmer
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
I thought we didn't own you?
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
A man i$ $uppo$ed to take care of hi$ wymyn$, alway$, for all hi$ day$, forever and ever, amen.
akihonj 2y ago
I'm old fashioned and expect you to pay, yeah I'm old fashioned and expect you to shut the fuck up and get back in the kitchen, see how that works.
brandinho5 2y ago
You know she was ordering the surf n turf
Drago_LP 2y ago
Bruh
BeeAggressive5232 2y ago
You know what? That's fine as long as she gives the same energy back.
Respond with " Sure, I'm old fashioned too. I expect you to cook my dinner, do my laundry, and suck my dick on command. Always be wearing your best outfits around me and always look attractive. And if you talk back to me I'll punch you."
If she's not ok with that then she's a typical FDS hypocrite lol.
Miggymoggy 2y ago
This level of entitlement is not even shocking anymore as it is perfectly acceptable in society to expect a man to pay for everything, which then you've got the same women publicly stating that they want "equality".
I'm not working all week so I can empty my wallet for a lazy obnoxious cunt.......You want equality then that is what you shall have.
bartbitsu 2y ago
If she is old fashioned, ask her father if she is still a maiden, ask her mother if she was taught how to be a wife and then ask them for permission to marry her.
PirateDocBrown 2y ago
Comedy gold.
Of course a real "old fashioned" lady would never swear like that, either. So it's all a lie.
Devilsgun 2y ago
I can tell by that last message from the guy that he isn't Joe Biden
Balefirez 2y ago
This isn’t old fashioned. Old fashioned isn’t “give me everything while I supply nothing but the occasional sex once every couple months because I’m feeling generous.” That’s called being a sugar baby and a leech. I’m so sick of these entitled princesses who are complete non-entities with the personality of a crouton who think they should be worshipped.
mimiczx 2y ago
You shouldn't even reply. That gives them closure.
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It's extremely likely that this was real, but you keep believing all women are saints
Southerndude62 2y ago
She: I expect you to pay for everything no questions asked.
Reply: I want you to cook and clean in the house and raise my kids, no questions asked.
Oxynewbdone 2y ago
I'm old fashioned too. So you will do every bit of housework and have my meals and a martini ready before I come home. Be sure to be ready to fuck on command and keep your fucking mouth shut when I slap you arround. God I love traditionalism.
CholoJesus 2y ago
I'll bet even money this "traditional girl" has a tattoo on her hand or neck.
KyleDrogo 2y ago
I seriously wonder what she thinks a woman has to do for her man “no questions asked”
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
For "Old-Fashioned" - Picture the 1950s traditionalism from Mrs Maisel - her husband never saw her without make up and without perfectly curled hair
She went to bed in make-up and then after he fell asleep got up to take it off. But then had to train herself to wake up before he did (without disturbing him) to go and put it all on again before he woke up.
She was also thin - fit in her wedding dress even after two kids and either 5 or 7 years.
Not to mention all the standard stuff of being a virgin when married. In that show they were upper class so I don't think she cooked and cleaned but I can't remember
five_eight 2y ago
Very old fashioned aka "FUCK YOU THEN". LOL
tbebestisyettocome 2y ago
Yup. Class act...straight to F You !
Higgs_deGrasse_Boson 2y ago
That was very candid. I would've just responded with, "LOL are you poor or something?"
umockdev 2y ago
Ok, I'm in. But only on the condition that she submits to me, has sex with me whenever I please and however I like it. No questions asked.
What is that? You don't like that? Huh.
Groundbreaking_Tax52 2y ago
He should’ve just ghosted completely
aliceinlondon 2y ago
Surely you can all tell that these are fake messages?
szopomokus 2y ago
"im very old fashioned"
prostitution is the oldest profession...
Blogginginvicecity 2y ago
She's a PROFESSIONAL, MKAY, SWEATIE!
Necrolet 2y ago
Calls herself old fashioned... But probably has 2+ kids from different guys.
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yellomachine 2y ago
"damn this itchy girdle!"
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
He should say "How about I give the money directly to you, we skip the date, and get on with the sex"
tacticalslacker 2y ago
r/FDSisleaking
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Was she a single mom? Because last week I had a single mom basically pull this, except without the "old-fashioned" gimmick.
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I fucking hate single moms.
They're the most entitled, because they think that their children gives them license to request more from men.
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It's funny how the modern feminist montra is the ultimate revenge. fuck around until your 30s and then date HVM but by then no man wants to pay for a woman that old so they hit The Wall
plz_say_sike 2y ago
Fat, ugly women that can’t get male attention giving dating advice to women that can & those women actually listening. What could possibly go wrong?
2020 women happiness levels lowest they’ve ever been
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The pandemic has only sped up what was already happening by forcing women onto dating apps hopefully they never learn it'll make dating a breeze for my gen
Stahlboden 2y ago
Oh, how un-ladylike!
Alejandro4222017 2y ago
she’s the type of women to then say “i don’t have to do anything for a man” when you ask them to clean, and cook
42252252 2y ago
I had a female pseudo friend for a while who would ask guys in her dating pool "what are the duties and responsibilities you would have as a husband?" to see how well they had thought out married life.
She actually upheld her end of the bargain, but she was definitely the captain of that ship. Pretty good cook though, and from all indications she's a very committed mother these days.
I_abhor_redditors 2y ago
Well by the sounds of it thats 80% better than most modern foids.
Mundane_Worldliness7 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Is she so old fashioned that she’ll agree that in the case of marriage, all property and assets will be held in his name only? Or, is it the case that she took this as a way to get free food and drink?
polishknightusa 2y ago
Exactly. I pointed this out to a double dipper 30 years ago who wanted to be old fashioned when she got home from work thinking it was just him paying the bills. Or they demand old fashioned during dating because in their view that's where all the obligations fall on the man.
Interestingly, many feminists still rail against "traditional" notions of femininity of being supportive and kind and how that can hold women back in their career ambitions and it does. Being a 'nice guy' at work can sometimes get a guy pegged as a servant rather than a leader. Women rarely take a leadership role in both being the badarse but also the one to take heat and criticism because they want a safe space. So they wind up just being passive-aggressive which is ideally suited to young women during dating: Waiting around for men to ask them out and then rejecting them. This only works when they're in the driver's seat (under 30) but after that, passive aggressiveness is like trying to train a dog using treats when you're out of treats.
Regarding dog training: I think this is why thirty-something wall women are often irredeemable. They have been trained their whole lives to regard men as their servants who will do anything for sex treats and even when the sex treats are gone, they don't know how to even conceive of any other way to relate to men.
plz_say_sike 2y ago
Since she’s “very old fashioned” you should have asked her if she’s a virgin, who will be submissive to you & take care of all the cooking, cleaning and childcare. But then again, she’d probably just call you an incel.
Methinks, she’s using the feminists definition of old fashioned. The man must abide by his gender role while the women can do whatever she wants.
RealMcGonzo 2y ago
She says she is "very old fashioned" then literally in the very next text "Fuck you."
strewnshank 2y ago
“I don’t date women who begin sentences with conjunctive adverbs, therefore, good luck.”
Joaquino7997 2y ago
Mic drop. Nothing else to say here.
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Unfortunately, once you understand how women's brains work, you realize that they mentally remain teenage girls forever.
*typo
yellomachine 2y ago
If they are coddled and never allowed to fall flat on their faces, yes. I know a lot of women who have had no choice but to face reality and they did grow up. Of course they bitched and moaned about it but what do you expect?
Flipperz12345 2y ago
No there's definitely females who are disgusted by this kind of behavior too, unfortunately they're the non vocal minority of the gender. ._.
TheApricotCavalier 2y ago
Yes, they are being bred out of the species. This is evolution at work
TheRedApostle 2y ago
Lost opportunity.
Should've said "Perfect! I want the same as you do. Old fashioned. I think it goes without saying then that all my sexual needs will be met as well, no questions asked?"
No_Valuable827 2y ago
Since when is "I'm very old fashioned" a synonym for "I have two kids out of wedlock?"
BonelessSkinless 2y ago
okay and a woman can take care of this dick WHENEVER I want, no questions asked, wtf
SylvestorTalone 2y ago
I'd have explored just how 'old fashioned' she actually is, as in, what's that hymen status?
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Harry_Teak 2y ago
She also owns a staggering number of parasols to spin gaily as she takes the air on her evening constitutional.
OaklandCali 2y ago
No hymen, no diamond.
SylvestorTalone 2y ago
So says the Lord Commander.
BeholdTheHair 2y ago
Hell, no diamond in any case. A diamond is nothing more than a chunk of super-compressed carbon - one of the most common elements in the universe. Take a big piece o' coal, subject it to enough heat and pressure and voila: you have a diamond.
The only reason the damn things have any perceived value is marketing and monopoly. If, for whatever reason, I ever wanted to gift a woman a pretty rock I'd get her a ruby or emerald or such - something actually relatively rare. And I'd still pay less than I would for the piece of shiny coal.
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I replaced my wife's diamond engagement ring with peridot. It was cheap and looks far better on her (redhead). She likes them better too.
Come to think of it, a great engagement shit test for women is to NOT get them a diamond anything, get them their birthstone or something pretty, not expensive, and see how they react.
42252252 2y ago
Be careful where you say that.... I'm starting to think it's going to be added to some data bank of "far right hate speech" at the reaction it gets.
Maybe we can figure out a way to turn it into a nuclear furnace from all the communal seething it creates.
OG_walrus 2y ago
They seethe because it's true. It's just basic economy I guess? Why should I pay for something 20 other people have got for free in the past?
Same way you might want to marry me because I'm nice or because I have money, which both of the above would give you the emotional good-feel you want, the same way I get that good feeling when you are a virgin.
I won't get any of that good feel if I know (or suspect) your vagina has been ravaged a thousand times by different people. You don't marry a whore, it's been said through the history thousands of times, you can't gaslight me.
Simon_the_Piman 2y ago
There's literally an entire sub of women showcasing their roast-beefies (highmilageholes) the rest of Reddit will scream at/ban you for saying a biological fact.
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She wouldn't be wrong to ask for those traditional things from a man if she were a traditional woman.
Judging from her response, she most definitely is not.
DopplerShiftIceCream 2y ago
"I'm old fashioned."
-- "Oh, what's your position on whether women should be allowed to vote?"
Bluecherrysoft 2y ago
lol what a stupid cunt
RadiantNinjask 2y ago
Very Old Fashioned?
So she she'll stay home, do the cooking, cleaning, taking care of the kids. tailoring clothes, and get a beating from her husband if she neglected any of her duties?
Zerochances121 2y ago
A classmate of mine defended this... something about a wife that handles all of the housework and raises the kids(but I feel like this is a bait and switch where the couple get married but the wife says no kids afterwards). It would then recreate the envisioned "wholesome grandmother vibe" later on.
Emotional support can only go so far. Relationships have always been about money in some way. Us guys shouldn't expect less for ourselves.
pfresh331 2y ago
Dodged a bullet for sure.
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Another FDS graduate trying to put the theory into practice
Simon_the_Piman 2y ago
Would be funny to find her on said sub raging about the unexpected outcome.
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And getting the correct outcomes for said behavior
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guys paid for their women in the past because those women were wholly theirs. Those women were virgins when they got married and stayed with the guy for life and didn't divorce men whenever things got hard or didn't go their way.
These hoes today, on the other hand, can never be loyal because it's normal for them to be surrounded by guys and be with a bunch of guys. Those hoes are worthless.
Harry_Teak 2y ago
This is one of those times it's appropriate to end the exchange with the old reliable "So I guess a blowjob in the parking lot is out of the question?"
Talk about tradition that'll appeal to a good old-fashioned girl.
allHibbityBibbity 2y ago
So old fashioned it was before women had paying jobs...
mgtowmuller777 2y ago
Modern Women cannot be Old Fashioned! That cannot br stressed enough! Burn it in yo' brainz!
noobie107 2y ago
you should've ghosted after your first text tbh
sacandbaby 2y ago
Last girl I dated turned it around and paid for steak dinner for the 2 of us on our first date. Granted, she was a psychopath and she was the last girl I dated. Amazing how a psychopath can turn you off of dating. Been monk mgtow ever since. That was in 2002.
Darth_Horseman 2y ago
They're all old fashioned until you start pushing them back to the kitchen
Blogginginvicecity 2y ago
I feel that. Even more so when you push em back into the fields/barn. Lord help you if you offer some constructive criticism to her when she's out there! Winner chicks are egalitarian and down for work IME
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even if she was beautiful enough for me to want to spontaneously treat her and spend my money on her, her saying that it's an obligation of mine out loud would just put me off so much that I wouldn't want to do it any more.
Vaako81 2y ago
He should have asked about her hymen status since she is traditional.
sleepyweaselisawake Plowing his way through muck while misquoting Office Space 2y ago
"You don't deserve me."
No.. I don't want you, and it's clear neither does anyone else.
AntiSocialPartygoer 2y ago
But she's right. He doesn't deserves her. He deserves better.
sleepyweaselisawake Plowing his way through muck while misquoting Office Space 2y ago
And, it looks like he's going to go out and find better. Good for him!
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
He will find better, she will find bitter.
XSasuken22X 2y ago
Even going with her logic, she’s not his woman yet. So that means he shouldn’t pay for anything. Unless she’s saying he can pay for a night out and then start stuffing her with dick same day.
idontevenlift37 2y ago
Notice how the man declined initially but in a respectful manner, however the woman still got angry and childish.
NickTesla2018 2y ago
Maybe he's really old school. Club her over the head and drag her back to the cave.
GracenandGracen 2y ago
you should have told her asked her for her body count and tell her that youre old fashion and dont date whores
PatnarDannesman 2y ago
Missed opportunity to say he expects her to be a 16 year old virgin who will cook and clean for him.
dcb720 2y ago
Actual old fashioned women aren't on Tinder.
Recklessterror 2y ago
Would have been funnier to complement her on still being a virgin and waiting for marriage (she obviously isn't) and then watching her meltdown on you for assuming traditionalism extends to her behavior as well.
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loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
Everything on the internet is fake, okay?