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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
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plamplamthrow0322 4y ago
real question: why are these "conservatives" dating libshit feminists?
seriously, what's gonna happen? she gets pregnant and aborts your baby? what are these "conservatives" thinking?
also: what's the definition of "far right conspiracy theorist" ?
kyledontcare 4y ago
I expect Blake Shelton to be here soon after he is divorced for being too pro 2A. Stupid moron.
Overkillengine 4y ago
TLDR;
EZ PZ
killr4dayzXD 4y ago
End the video right here guys. Like and comment on your way out
MrNeurotypical 4y ago
Yet another spinster article trying to get traditional benefits from men with none of the traditional benefits from women. Feminists want traditional men and traditional men don't want feminists. Die alone.
mustangfrank 4y ago
You are right. Did you see the ages of the women?
MrNeurotypical 4y ago
Yup, one was menopause age.
sexytimeinseattle 4y ago
I have a rather liberal female friend, single, that says she is looking for a "masculine man".
Ok, fine, you're tired of soy boys. But hun, you know that almost all of the masculine men you are looking for won't be ok with your career, lack of desire to have babies, and etc? If you want someone that knows how to drop an engine, camps and hunts, etc, he's going to have a different perspective of you and your sushi eating and yoga doing ways, right?
Maybe that dude is out there for her. But I rather doubt it.
Anderfail 4y ago
Never ever pay attention to a woman’s political beliefs. They change depending on who they date. If she finds a fascist Chad, she will be a staunch conservative at the absolute minimum and likely follow him further. If you care about her politics then you’re doing it wrong.
polishknightusa 4y ago
Hello all. I had these discussions 30 years ago back when I had to listen to warpling on my landline. Nothing new under the sun. One of the funniest rationalizations (I wish I saved it) was this:
The gal engaged in what I consider psychopathic rationalizations: When she looked at her own personal responsibility, she would argue because "all men are bad", she could just go for the lowest common denominator. When she examined his responsibilities, she would make the argument that "two wrong don't make a right" and "always do the right thing."
So this gals post (I will try to post it when I find it) went like this:
During courtship, since he probably is sexist and will demand she do the dishes, etc. then he should pay for everything. His sexism later justifies her sexism now!
Then, and without skipping a beat, she said that since they're married and should be egalitarian, he'll cook and clean and do 1/2 of the chores and support her in her career because that's how spouses support each other.
MrNeurotypical 4y ago
She wants a blue pilled alpha male. Eat, love, pray style. Let me guess, she's over 28. :)
p3ngwin WAATGM Endorsed 4y ago
That "masculin man": is also going have exactly the "toxic masculinity" they dislike, because they want a buffet-style idea of "masculine".
Fried rice it is then.
sexytimeinseattle 4y ago
Exactly. She wants the good bits without the controversial bits that come with the package, like telling her what to do.
Jihocech_Honza 4y ago
Men like this do not start searching for a wife around thirty. They are "taken" much earlier.
FatherUnbannable 4y ago
Meh, I was in a dead end relationship from 21 to 26. Almost a full 5 years.could have been just as easily from 25 to 30.
Snoo16680 4y ago
phishyfingers 4y ago
This also shows how women can hear and even recite logic but they CHOOSE not to follow logic. They prefer the coziness of ever changing emotions.
When two "truths" are known, logic and emotion, women will always choose emotion while men will choose logic.
Society based on emotional truth would be akin to never ending highschool years. Courts would become even more like kangaroo courts than they are now. Crocodile tears would paint the biggest victim and society would make sure their "truth" wins the day!
BluepillProfessor 4y ago
So...today's society. We must vote for the old guy because it doesn't matter how well the economy is going, mean tweets make me FEEL bad.
We know bitch. How does hunger and desolation make you feel?
MrNeurotypical 4y ago
It's already that way. I checked out in 2005, what are all the other men waiting for?
Cheveyo 4y ago
Basically twitter.
manfrom-nantucket 4y ago
BING-FUCKING-O
grapesinmymouth 4y ago
Holy fuck get some sunlight
Ivan_The_Reddish 4y ago
But it burns my skin. :(
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Jihocech_Honza 4y ago
Emotions are important, but you can not base civilization on them.
BeetsbyGreens 4y ago
The emotions that women bring is very, VERY important for humanity. You can't use logic on a baby or toddler that is barely capable of understanding the world around them.
Outside of child-rearing though...
manfrom-nantucket 4y ago
No one suggested that emotions don't have a role. However there is a time and place for it and it certainly should never be used as a substitute for logic.
MelkorHimself Mod 4y ago
If anyone questions why valuing emotions too much is a bad thing, tell them this: Thousands of logical decisions built the space shuttle Challenger, and one emotional decision killed seven astronauts.
[deleted] 4y ago
Can you elaborate on that Challenger point?
Kevin_N_Sales 4y ago
It's time to watch a documentary on YouTube...
Edit: Watching this 2:33:35 documentary, your example is absolutely correct.
Watson_A_Name 4y ago
There's a great episodic one on Netflix. Like 6 eps or so
Jihocech_Honza 4y ago
People don´t think any more, they feel...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHubw2bNANc
Terapia_Tapioco 4y ago
Damn, that's one terrific actress.
123454321po 4y ago
Need context on the one emotional decision killed seven astronauts. Not familiar with the historical event.
NuclearTheology 4y ago
If I recall correctly, the US president at the time was going to visit the Challenger launch, and despite the outcries and warnings of the engineers working the project that they had discovered flaws in the shuttle (flaws they said would directly lead to the death of the crew), the big wigs wanted to impress the President despite all that
thewatisit 4y ago
Well, they probably did leave an impression on the president.
Fitbarbie1 4y ago
The o rings.
Hultmans 4y ago
Pardon my ignorance but which decision was the one that caused their deaths?
MelkorHimself Mod 4y ago
The joining sections of each solid rocket booster (SRB) were sealed with large rubber O-rings in sets of two (a primary and a secondary backup). The night before Challenger's launch temperatures got down to 18F and were predicted to be no higher than 30F the day of, and 30F was NASA's minimum launch temperature. The engineers at Thiokol who designed the O-rings requested the launch be delayed since they thought they might fail. When rubber gets really cold it hardens and cracks. The engineers had no data to support the O-rings could successfully hold at such low temperatures, and they were only qualified down to 40F.
They held a conference call with their upper management and NASA, but both NASA and management opposed the no-launch recommendation solely because it would push the schedule behind. (In the early days of the shuttle program, there was considerable pressure to do things quickly since it was originally intended to have launches every month. However, we soon realized how much maintenance was required to make the orbiters ready for reuse.) One guy on the call was even quoted saying, "My God, Thiokol, when do you want me to launch—next April?" Another said, "I am appalled. I am appalled by your recommendation."
So, in traditional upper management fashion of focusing only on the schedule and not listening to the science, they launched anyway. Well, the O-rings had hardened enough from the cold that they couldn't seal in time. As a result, there were primary and secondary O-ring failures in the right SRB, which allowed a plume of gases to leak through. As soon as the shuttle passed Max Q and went for throttle up the outward gas pressure caused a catastrophic failure and made the vehicle explode.
Hultmans 4y ago
Thank you. That's pretty terrible to hear. They were more willing to sacrifice the lives of their employees than to delay a week or two and take a slight blow to their egos. I knew there was a structural failure that allowed fuel to leak out and explode, but it's disheartening to see how everyone in charge was so well aware of this and didn't do anything to stop it.
NuclearTheology 4y ago
Lots of engineers resigned in protest of allowing the launch to go through despite these findings. The bit wigs wanted to impress President Regan who had come to visit, and didn’t have the balls to call off the launch to save face
Nagamagi 4y ago
So what happened to the upper management? Did they go to jail?
manfrom-nantucket 4y ago
They likely got new jobs running some government agency
solidsalmon 4y ago
i lyk ur tag lmao
NoonTimeHoopsMVP 4y ago
Can't say I feel too sorry for Mark. He is the one who decided to go progressive. Hopefully this is a wakeup for him.
alleyteris 4y ago
when shit hits the fan and women get older by the day feminism goes out the window. Look at the age of those woman, the clock is ticking against them and biology slaps them like a dick across their face , so they start searching for men who will be kind but most importantly men WHO ARE WILLING TO PROVIDE THEM THEIR RESSOURSES aka traditional men who belive in traditional value.
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It would be interesting if a study could me made to meassure what happened to all these feminists as they get older and married , will they still work in order to share the family burdens or will they sit on their asses if the husbands pocket can afford it.
The_Meep_Lord 4y ago
That is what religion is for.
bird351167 4y ago
Most men want women who act like women.
Most women want men who act like men.
Not hard to understand.
I-am-the-lul 4y ago
This difference is that when a man publicly states he wants a feminine women, he is yelled at for being a sexist pig, but when women publically claim they want more feminine men, they get praised, but secretly they end up choosing chauvinist masculine men to fuck them senseless.
[deleted] 4y ago
That's exactly what happens. I can count with both hands the number of times women have been dating/married to these soft feminine men and they've offered me the ass.
When I ask the ones I take up on the offer "why" the answer is always a variation of the same:
"My boyfriend/husband is just not aggressive enough"
HeftyAdministration8 4y ago
"I'm a strong independent woman! . . . protect me from puddles."
Devilsgun 4y ago
"Progessive" males exhibit all of the worst traits of the feminine - Jealousy, snappiness, snark, greed, immaturity, etc. If women wanted to date women they'd be lesbians.
Conservative men act like MEN. Women, no matter how twisted and hostile they act due to the influences of Feminism and pop culture, want to feel protected, provided for, and led by a competent master. If men can't or won't assume this roll government will, to the detriment of human liberty.
I-am-the-lul 4y ago
In the (increasingly distant) past, men's authority as the patriarch of his family was backed up by the law and greater community, but nowadays, any "authority" he might have depends 100% on his wife's whims, if she decides she doesn't want to play the traditional wife anymore, the husband will discover that she has practically all the legal and social power and that his role of patriarch was just a LARP, nothing more.
TheApricotCavalier 4y ago
A long article about what women want. Who cares?
Natriumzyanid 4y ago
Women are like children. They follow every idea, every concept, how idiotic it may be. Men as the provider of the family cant concentrate on retarde shit or they and their family go broke. They need to be stable. As long as they dont follow - and by not doing so, they outbalance their wifes retarded shit - the family stays safe. Thats why women love the "stability" from men to their oneweekofthemonth or even everydayofthemonth hysteric behaviour
MekelLane 4y ago
Yeah, we're supposed to be a human shield to protect them, and we're supposed to make our own sandwich after we take a cold shower and apologize for daring to get an erection when she just wanted to cuddle tonight.
biccat 4y ago
But why do conservative men deal with these crazy left-wing women?
ThemakingofChad 4y ago
There is not enough conservative women to have kids with.
LMM-GT02 4y ago
I went to California public school and public university in Oregon. Good luck finding an openly conservative women. The best you’ll find is an incredibly based hoe that you’d only fancy if you like running into emotion IEDs.
NickTesla2018 4y ago
Alot of guys will do anything to get laid. Since the dawn of time...
comptejete 4y ago
Hence civilization
lqxpl 4y ago
Pussy.
solidsalmon 4y ago
PUSSYCAT MEOW MEOW meowmeow
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 4y ago
No violence or anything that looks like it might condone or advocate for violence. Reddit is very strict about that.
Your comment would be just fine at forums.red and trp.red, though.
[deleted] 4y ago
Of course they want the traditional bullshit.
They're the only ones who benefit from it.
Back in my Christian days I always found it arrogant and off-putting how women with that belief system would only date others from their cult.
I had a more open mind about it, wouldn't have minded dating whomever so long as they wanted to be with me and only me. I feel that's fair: I want to give my best to whomever I'm with and expect the same in return.
The hell with the tradcon bullshit: I ain't your cannon fodder, I ain't your Prince Charming, and I'm damn sure not your Clark Kent.
Say hello to Doomsday, motherfuckers: you created him, now you got him.
[deleted] 4y ago
Too bad for progressive women we do not want them. I am not saying i am a CONSERVATIVE but by far left standards i am one.
NoonTimeHoopsMVP 4y ago
By far left standards, most far left people are conservative.
waveformcollapse 4y ago
boomers were such bad parents, holy shit.
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 4y ago
This has more to do with law and culture than it has to do with parenting.
Silent-Gur-1418 4y ago
And the ones who changed the law and culture weren't the Boomers - the big era of changes in the 60s was politically wholly dominated by the so-called "Greatest" Generation.
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 4y ago
And it started even earlier than that...
NoonTimeHoopsMVP 4y ago
1910s.
waveformcollapse 4y ago
boomers voted for the law and created the culture.
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 4y ago
Meh.
It actually began before the boomers were born. Progressivism keeps progressing......
waveformcollapse 4y ago
That's a fair minded assessment. The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self by Trueman actually goes into a lot of it.
Bob_and_Virginia Jr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
On a dinner date, especially at those overrated fancy restaurants, say to the wait staff "Separate checks, please" and watch your date's face drop.
Men need to turn the table and shit test women.
I-am-the-lul 4y ago
Do not take women out to an expensive restaurant for a first date, that's failing a shit-test and will lead you to becoming nothing more than a foodie-call.
[deleted] 4y ago
No, I'm actually here for this action!
If you ask a woman on an inexpensive date and she hints at a date at a fancy restaurant, give it to her. Either take your own transportation or meet her there. When you're seated, slyly tell the server that you would like seperate checks.
When your check comes, calmly pay it and tell your date that you had a nice time, but you don't think it's going to work out and then leave. Just get your shit, and go. Don't block her - you want to see the meltdown (just leave her on read).
comradepee 4y ago
What makes you believe she's going to have a meltdown? An attractive or even semi-attractive woman has other men lined up to do the deed. Lol if anything, you'll end up blocking her for forgetting about you.
[deleted] 4y ago
Oh she has other men lined up, but none of those other men actively placed her beneath him.
The meltdown always comes.
comradepee 4y ago
What?
Not exactly. There's far, and I mean farrr more men online having a meltdown after a girl blocks or ghost them. Just check out some of these dating app subs. Ijs.
[deleted] 4y ago
Those men, in fairness, aren't us. They simp.
We move on.
comradepee 4y ago
I don't exactly see how you're "moving on" if you're also waiting for a meltdown. A bit bizzare, no?
[deleted] 4y ago
You're confusing entertainment for something else.
But it's clear we aren't gonna agree so I'm just gonna stop wasting both of our time.
Good day.
comradepee 4y ago
...But if you've really moved on, why would you still be looking to be entertained by that person!? I mean look, we don't have to agree but your line of thinking is pretty backwards and hypocrital. That person may not even be thinking about you meanwhile you're standing by the phone and waiting for it to ring to hear this imagined up "meltdown" LOL
Ok.
ayhme 4y ago
Yup!
Jihocech_Honza 4y ago
Progressive women are still women.
EvanGRogers 4y ago
Leftism is a disease.
Women want to be lovingly dominated.
If YOUR reality doesn't match THE reality death ensues.
t_a_c_s 4y ago
thanks for sharing that. quite illuminating
this seems to be a similar tension like those surrounding veganism and transanity - millions of years of evolutionary biology (backed up by scientific research) facing attacks from fallacious "arguments" based on illogic, emotion, Internet fads and herd mentality
ElementalChicken 4y ago
They want to advantages of modern dating, but not the disadvantages it brings. Walk the talk women, goddamn
PM_ME_NICE_STUFF1 4y ago
No surprise there. Everybody who is surprised by this should research the term shit test
[deleted] 4y ago
As a conservative man, I wouldn't touch a progressive woman with a 10-foot pole. My time and money are better served investing in cat food and boxed wine.
[deleted] 4y ago
My now-wife and I went on our first date on the night of the 2004 elections. She talked more shit about John Kerry than I thought possible for one person. I knew I had a keeper on my hands. She certainly has her share of faults, but leftist tendencies are thankfully not one of them.
[deleted] 4y ago
"So we want both sides to this. We don't want you to make us feel like you're the one paying (gross patriarchal male) but we would like the bill to be basically taken care of"
polishknightusa 4y ago
Hence the invention (at least accidentally) of the "reach for the purse grab" that was so popular in the 80's. It was hilarious when they saw that I was letting them go through with it.
The man should put on an academy award act (ideally believing it himself) as he claims to be a "gentleman" and "insists" upon paying and that he is GRATEFUL that she LETS him pay.
And THEN the shit tests start because she wonders... is this guy pretending to be a gentleman just to get laid?
[deleted] 4y ago
My favorite current trend is known as the grey rock guy, (few different contexts out there). He dresses plainly, doesn't do anything flashy, looks poor but has a lot of money. Keeps these types of women away.
In China they have had this philosophy for a long time, glad to see many guys embracing this
WornBlueCarpet 4y ago
I know a guy like that. He's only 21 but, relative to his age, he's loaded. He dresses in decent but not flashy clothes. He drives a 20 year old car which is in great shape because him and his dad fix their cars themselves. He owns his own house.
He mostly ignore women because he can see how they swoon over the guys who drive the Audi's and Mercedes, but who are dirt poor because all their money goes to the car payments and clothes.
[deleted] 4y ago
You mentioned fixing their own cars, what do they do for a living?
I'm like a millennial stereo type, over-educated and in debt, my new friend just got a liberal arts degree, white collar job, makes 6 figures....fml
WornBlueCarpet 4y ago
He's an electrician. I don't know about his dad.
And if you (guys in general) want to go to college, go the STEM route. I did. MSc in engineering. 100k per year. I'm 43.
[deleted] 4y ago
I did, molecular biology, i graduated after covid-19 started but the job market was still trash (i went to one of the top ten universities for that field/chemistry)
Now i have a bunch of hospitals who try to give me a 2 year commitment and (19$/hr)/38k a year for a research role.
I got offered a security job (I live in a big city now) for 22$ an hour where i don't have to do like anything.
But I'm extra salty about it because I wanted to make contributions to society in my field (i struggled for like 5 years to make this real) and at the end this. I'm thinking about coping out because grad programs just don't look with it anymore (as wrong as that sounds)
holymotherofbunnies 4y ago
If they really wanted a traditional man, they'd act like a traditional lady. I do and I got one. Die mad, hoes.
muff_marauder 4y ago
If you date a person with polar opposite political/religious beliefs to you, it means neither of you take your political/religious beliefs seriously.
I've warned so many successful, conservative friends away from their progressive/Democrat/commie/socialist girlfriends or potential girlfriends and these men have thanked me for it. It's obviously a huge come-up for a progressive/Democrat woman to land a conservative/Republican man because American conservative men by and large have their shit together whereas liberal men do not.
Your life partner must believe the same values as you to be an effective team (husband and wife). Never compromise your core beliefs for sex... you'll later regret it big-time.
holymotherofbunnies 4y ago
Totally agree. How can you build a life together and raise a family if you don't even agree on your life goals and values? Thats how you end up with divorced families where the mom goes nuts and put the kid on hormone blockers and the dad has no legal recourse. That shit isn't happing to my kids.
kratbegone 4y ago
Most women are followers though and will start following your lead when slowly acclimated. Not talking about blue haired types, but the majority of misled women out there who think they are progressive by default, especially under 30.
RoodAwakenin 4y ago
Do yourselves a favor a do not get in a relationship with a “pro(re)gressive” beyond casual sex. No matter how appealing they appear in every other aspect of their life. They are truly broken people who almost universally suffer from depression and other mental disorders. Remember activist is a synonym for unhappy.
[deleted] 4y ago
Every time I fuck one of these girls, it's fun until I start doing those uncomfortable male things that they aren't supposed to like.
They loved it when I was turning their insides to soup, though.
The software is fucked up
RoodAwakenin 4y ago
Progressive liberal women are the freakiest, nastiest, enthusiastic lays ever. They are also the fastest to dead bedroom once they get bored with your hardware. Opposites attract but repel during longevity. Keep them very short term.
[deleted] 4y ago
More proof that there is no such thing as a Feminist when the check comes...
“I appreciate a man who opens the door for me and picks up the check."
mustangfrank 4y ago
MRMRising 4y ago
Wasn't it Bill Burr who said there were no Feminists on the Titanic?
Not sure.
NuclearTheology 4y ago
“You know why men get paid more? Cause in the event there’s a Titanic, for some fucked up reason you get to go and I get to stay!*
He also used a hostage situation too, where they often negotiate for women and children first. “But what about me?! I wanna live as much as they do!”
MRMRising 4y ago
Thank you.
mustangfrank 4y ago
I think he was talking about men being paid more than women and used the Titanic as an example, "women and Children first"
Your_Supremacy 4y ago
I could have sworn he said there is no such thing as a feminist in a hostage situation (the women won't complain about being let go first.) But I could be wrong.
Jihocech_Honza 4y ago
Or when spiders, rats and snakes are around.
Nitrothacat 4y ago
His mother told him to walk curbside. She'd rather her son be hit and hurt/killed instead of some random woman he's on a date with. Wtf....
Herdo 4y ago
My wife's friend is like this with her 13 year old. Everything she "teaches" him is in relation to him being a door mat to girls.
I-am-the-lul 4y ago
Women will seek alphas to get impregnated by, but then they will raise their sons to be betas.
Academic-Iron5537 4y ago
It's all a biological strategy to weed out lesser men. Women will tell men to be nice, polite, don't hit on women because they're busy and will be annoyed, don't be too forward, don't go in for the kiss, don't try to fuck on the first date.
The lesser men will listen and not take any risks. The higher value men will nod and smile, and do it anyway. It's a way for them to keep lesser men away from them. The high value men will still do it anyway.
Silent-Gur-1418 4y ago
They are free to start advocating for the rolling back of all the changes they demanded. Until then I really couldn't care less about their complaints about the world that they demanded.
Mister_McDerp 4y ago
Why is there not a single hint of "why are we like this" in this article? If I noticed this massive hypocrisy in my behaviour, I'd beat myself UP.
Edit: I mean, there is a guy explaining this, but no hint of "apparently we are really as complicated as men make it seem, huh?"
The_Meep_Lord 4y ago
Because they wanted this all along, it is all manipulation.
They got all the pleasures, benefits, freedoms and such that liberal gave. And now they want all the protection, safety, freedom of responsibility that conservatism gives women.
Aka They got all they wanted from partying, now they want the same rewards the person working instead of partying got.
mustangfrank 4y ago
If you read this, you see where liberal women want freedom to do as they please while wanting men to adhere to gender norms of a by gone era i.e. paying for everything, planning for everything, i.e. taking control. Why? Liberalism forces women to think on their own, for liberal men will not. Yet, these women are strong feminists, or in other words, these women want to be able to pick and choose what they will and will not do, but not allow men the same choices.
polishknightusa 4y ago
True story. Back in 1987, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, I asked out a frumpy but cute gal at university. I planned the event but didn't pick the movie and she gave me the ol' "Whatever you like is ok."
So I picked "Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2)".
And then she griped to her friends about what a cad I was to pick something like that.
13 years later, my future wife and I went to a movie and I let her pick and she picked (remember it to this day) "Unfaithful", a Richard Gere film where he's cheated on by his wife and he deals, er, harshly with the lover. She was horrified while I was laughing.
It was HER pick, after all.
This notion of "letting the man plan" means that she avoids responsibility for even making her own personal decisions without the harsh consequences of making a mistake. We all pick bad movies sometimes. Well, except for TCM 2. That rocked.
Traksimuss 4y ago
Picking bad movie is easy, just pick a movie made after 2010.
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1917 was a masterpiece, even Midway was historically accurate for the most part by Hollywood standards. There are some good movies but they are mostly hidden under the woke trash.
Traksimuss 4y ago
And last Joker was great movie (now on Netflix), but pickings after 2010 are really slim. I could name maybe 5 movies or less I have enjoyed made in last 10 years.
nnnnawalt 4y ago
I feel the problem is that so many big releases have such mediocre plots. It's not that the movie is bad it's just that it doesn't go anywhere. I'm a member of a website where you can record your watch history and well... while scrolling there were only a handful that were actually worth the watch. The rest is just mindless entertainment.
Traksimuss 4y ago
Yes, big companies "play safe" and do not take risks at all. All superhero movies are a big example of that, ll follow the same scenario basically.
Besides no strong exciting men in lead roles, often replaced by Mary Sues. Or just women, like in Ghostbusters 2016.
nnnnawalt 4y ago
I didn't watch Ghostbusters but I watched the all female Ocean's 8... not even close to the originals. But then again one of them was obviously jealous of Rihanna cuz all the reporters on set flocked to her and frumpy dumpy was bitching about how no one wanted to interview her.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 4y ago
Added Mark, "I can't wait until she gets bored, and decides that my insistence on mowing the lawn while she does the dishes is somehow abuse, and then divorces me and takes half my shit!"
polishknightusa 4y ago
And bangs a neanderthal chad...
Disciple_Of_Cheesus 4y ago
These are the same chicks who become tradthots once the wall approaches and they realize that their careers aren't going to be the magical life-affirming money makers they were told they were gonna be. The epiphany stage kicks in, and their tune (conveniently) begins to change and now they start looking for a Mr. Old Fashioned to swoop in and save them. Slowly but ever so surely, the stodgy conservative types always become the desirable go-to men in the end. Funny how that works...
Don't fall for it. Don't save them.
They wanted their modern liberated lifestyle, so let them have it. Leave them ALONE.
Jihocech_Honza 4y ago
In real life, Mr. Big would never, NEVER marry Carrie.
Traksimuss 4y ago
Yup, model Natasha would be the real life choice.
sexytimeinseattle 4y ago
She had literally nothing to offer him, and was way below his class.
I get that it's a female fantasy story, but it made me so angry. And stupefied to realize that that was really a popular fantasy, still, among women.
nnnnawalt 4y ago
Honestly all of that show's plot gets ridiculous. He split up with Carrie got married to a really hot 26 year old but then supposedly cheats on the 26 year old with the same Carrie he dumped?
There's male fantasies in media too but I think the difference is that most guys don't suddenly think the fantasy should apply to them just because. The whole "omg I'm so not special but giga chad wants me" tho I guess deludes some females into thinking that works outside of fiction.
I think previously on this sub someone commented once that most of the rich men that DO get married pick their wife from women whose families are in the same earning bracket. Or they went to certain schools and grew up in the same scene as them. But whatever the writers of romance novels need to make their money I guess.
Jihocech_Honza 4y ago
Frodo and Samwise Gamgee defeating Sauron Gorthaur is much more realistic than Carrie the Slut being married.
PopularBug5 4y ago
Yes, the fantasy of waiting only at the finish line and stealing a man's success by sleeping with him. Thots gonna thot.
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 4y ago
You're thinking of Aiden.
She cheated on Aiden twice, with Mr. Big.
polishknightusa 4y ago
The argument back in the 1960's was that when women earned their own money, they wouldn't be golddiggers anymore and would pay their own way and would be more accepting of men It's turned out the opposite, of course.
Amy Alkon had an article claiming that men were more looks superficial because a man wouldn't consider a woman 5 to be a 7 until she had 20 million in the bank compared to a woman seeing a 5 become a 7 if he had 2 million.
Amy cluelessly ignored the fact that most women will not share their wealth with a man to land a higher looks quality and money bother looking at a woman whose money is going to stay on her side of the table? What amused me is that it took a very large sum of money for a woman to consider a man higher status when 2 million is a lot of money and greases a lot of wheels. It explains why so many young women wind up as impoverished single mothers when they picked a poor chad over a reasonably wealthy guy.
I don't see this in other more sensible cultures where women value the well being of their offspring.
Jihocech_Honza 4y ago
The destructive generation. The same optimism was with the birth control pill - married couples will have more sex without the fear of pregnancy...
Silent-Gur-1418 4y ago
And nobody seems to remember that the people who were actually in charge back then were the so-called "Greatest" Generation. Everyone blames the Boomers but the Boomers were teenagers and college students and had no power whatsoever back then.
NoonTimeHoopsMVP 4y ago
The Greatest Generation saved the Western world and then promptly left it self-destruct.
Silent-Gur-1418 4y ago
Well, we are told they saved the Western world. Can you really look at it today and call it "saved"?
NoonTimeHoopsMVP 4y ago
That is my point. They saved it and left it to ruin.
callmejohny 4y ago
the youngest in the article doing this is 36, by the way.
Herdo 4y ago
Yep. Took about 20 years of trying to meet someone for them to go "oh shit, I don't actually want a guy who comes home crying because he heard on NPR that some states were banning transgender women from women's bathrooms..."
As others have pointed out, the real problem is that none of these women want to take on more traditional times themselves. They're still strong independent womyn who can do as they please, you just have to stick to being the man by paying and taking care of everything.
Jihocech_Honza 4y ago
Dating for 5 years. Still not in her prime.
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External-Can-7839 4y ago
Feminism is a shit test administered on a global scale, and fuck if society didn’t fail it miserably.
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Liberal men disgust me. But I have never claimed to be a feminist.
I-am-the-lul 4y ago
All it means is that while you are not some who formally identifies as a feminist, but if you were to honestly answer about your beliefs concerning issues like abortion, family court and other gender topics, chances are, your beliefs will strongly align with feminist dogma.
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None of that has ever aligned with me.
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 4y ago
LOL
[deleted] 4y ago
Why do you think that? That’s a very strange argument.
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 4y ago
Answer my question before asking new questions.
[deleted] 4y ago
Depends on what you define as a feminist.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 4y ago
What gains that have been granted to feminism are you willing to give up?
[deleted] 4y ago
You’re going to need to specify. Feminism helped no one.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 4y ago
Haha, that's a pretty good response, though I said "gains of feminism" and not that it helped anyone.
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Feminists claim a lot of bullshit. Research proves this.
hongsta2285 4y ago
Translation stop being modern men go back to traditional men but but but BUT accept my cc ways while I resemble zero absolutely zero traits of a traditional conservative wife ... Yeah!? Yeah!? Nay pass big huge pass
Infamous_Shinobi 4y ago
I don’t think having manners is “conservative”. When we go out to eat I pay for the whole meal about 80% of the time. I open and hold the door open for her. Walking curbside is something I try to do when I remember lol. Also I try to remember to open the car door for her to get in. Trust me, women love that shit. She sees the gentleman and good guy in you.
I’m fairly liberal, but when it comes to relationships (my own) I tend to lean a little more old fashioned in terms of gender roles. As a man, I should protect, cherish, and provide for her…however she should be capable of providing for herself as well. A woman that is a good cook is big plus points.
Now that I think about it, that’s one of the only things I’m conservative about. Mostly everything else, I’m pretty progressive and liberal.
houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 4y ago
Oh Mark, you clearly do not understand that women do not want equality, they want benefits. They still want you to pay for the date because it benefits them, and they want every part of "equality" that benefits them without the responsibilities. When you expect women to be consistent with what they claim, you are often disappointed.
Women who want conservative men even if they are progressive will do so because a conservative man is more likely to be traditional himself and provide the benefits of that traditionalism. The benefits she gets from any progressive politics will already be baked into the cake with society as a whole, so the man being progressive too would not provide that additional benefit. Having a man who would still be traditional while having progressive politics is just seeking to have things both ways.
But these progressive women should not be surprised if these types of men forego commitments to them because of their politics. When you have someone who supports and votes for policies that are antithetical to your outlook and you do not get the benefits from her having that outlook, there is not going to be as much of a reason for a conservative man to date a progressive woman. Yes, it is not only progressive women who are guilty of this, as even "conservative" women have these tendencies as well. But if it is well known that she goes against your interests, including financial interests (e.g. tax policies), men who are conservative are going to be less keen on the idea of committing to such a woman.
bilgediver 4y ago
lol
Yet more proof Women say they want one thing but how they respond proves what they really desire.
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What guys have to realize is that women don't really think about these things the same way men do. When women say "I wish men acted like X" what they DON'T mean is "Men would be more fuckable as a demographic by acting like X." Because unlike men, they don't care if the opposite sex is fuckable as a demographic, they just care about their man being fuckable, and all other men need to act in ways that benefit them in non-sexual ways.
It used to mean that this would mean joining the clergy, or going off to fight a war for the country, or starting a family with another woman and leaving her alone. Today it often means putting on a dress and acting like a bratty teenage girl.
TwelfthCycle 4y ago
The economic term you're looking for is "Revealed Preferences"
p3ngwin WAATGM Endorsed 4y ago
Excellent new term for me, thanks !
This reminds of a great example of "Revealed Preferences" :
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https://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/15/us/politics/15text-biden.html
NohoTwoPointOh 4y ago
TIL. Thanks!
Doctor_Zed 4y ago
Exactly. This is why you don't listen to any of their feminist tripe. Keep being you, or more masculine, and the women will come.
BTW Gwen Stefani is in her 50s, why is this guy putting a ring on her?
NoonTimeHoopsMVP 4y ago
Blake Shelton marries for the tabloids and press.
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It's cougar season, man!
SeedsOfDoubt 4y ago
He/they have "fuck you" money. It doesn't matter what he/they do. They don't live in the same reality as 99% of the rest of the country. They are selling a fantasy and American is eating it up.
alleyteris 4y ago
Dude someone put a ring in the finger of Rilley Reid and you are wondering who would put a ring on Gwen Stefani?
NoonTimeHoopsMVP 4y ago
I looked her up.
Her twitter bio: Atheist. Porn star.
What a waste of life.
dirtyMathematician 4y ago
sweet mother of god. riley reid is married
alleyteris 4y ago
Her husband woke up one day and said : "that's a good day todayto propose to a girl that has been fucked by the equivalent of a small country's population"
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Disgusting
timebandit1975 4y ago
It's like Hugh Jackman marrying that much older woman even though he could have picked any number of younger women to start a family with.
He's gay.
"traditionalism" works as a good way to keep passion and intimacy at arms length in this scenario, so that explains why he's all "conservative and gentlemanly".
timebandit1975 4y ago
It should be noted that Gwen's prior husband, Gavin Rossdale, was definitely gay, had a multi-year gay relationship in the 90's.
So there's a pattern.
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Aaron Taylor-Johnson
Search his wife.
I-am-the-lul 4y ago
Long face is long!
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yellomachine 4y ago
Meanwhile, Dwight Yoakam finally married a woman he'd been testing for ten years. She passed his LTR tests, so he married her. Learn from this, gents. YOU ARE THE PRIZE.
timebandit1975 4y ago
Really conservative and traditional to wife up a divorcee with 3 kids.
That's what conservatism is all about, female perogative.
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The_Meep_Lord 4y ago
Traditional conservatism has become anything but.
It is just leftover simps being desperate for women they find attractive.
Silent-Gur-1418 4y ago
Same. And that has gotten me labeled by the mods themselves as "not conservative" even though I'm far further right wing than most people.
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Veelsee 4y ago
Jesus
NohoTwoPointOh 4y ago
When you arrive at that island, you will see that it, too is infested with zombies. The traditional Asian wife is a status-obsessed woman that largely stop being a wife (read: sex) once there are children.
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I'm an Indian, and you are absolutely correct. Once women have children, they don't bother to shed the baby weight and balloon up after each pregnancy. It's really pathetic because most of them are housewives and since they are insulated from the economy, they can easily eat, sleep and rest their way to grave.
I was having a discussion with my mother and grandmother yesterday, and they thought that the wife getting fat is a sign that husband is taking good care of her. It just reinforced my notion of marriage as a slavery for men.
BilboBagginhole 4y ago
Why even marry?
I-am-the-lul 4y ago
MGTOWs asks that question sometimes and they have yet to receive a good answer.
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BilboBagginhole 4y ago
That is a big risk bringing an immigrant here and introducing her to western culture. I wouldn't want to risk my fortune.
Just get a place in her country and travel around.
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 4y ago
LOL
Silent-Gur-1418 4y ago
It's this one. Women don't think about things outside their immediate needs. That's why cultures that didn't evolve patriarchy are still in grass huts while the ones that did have skyscrapers and cars and technology.
p3ngwin WAATGM Endorsed 4y ago
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For those who want to indulge a bit of history to crystalize this sentiment:
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https://www.drucker.institute/thedx/field-notes/
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Responsibility is a tool of patriarchy!!111oneone
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 4y ago
Responsibility is a tool of the patriarchy and that's muh soggy knees stick hate speech!!!
boltz13 4y ago
hypocrites lmao. FDS material
sexytimeinseattle 4y ago
"I make decisions all day long. At the end of the day, I want my guy to say: ‘Babe, I got this.’ ”
Lol. Like he doesn't also make decisions all day. When does he get to be taken care of? This is just abject cake-eating behavior.
aad7990 4y ago
It is still a relationship based on lies.
HeftyAdministration8 4y ago
Knights were chivalrous to noble (virtuous) ladies. Knights weren't chivalrous for whores.
Jihocech_Honza 4y ago
Debtless virgins without tattoos...
I-am-the-lul 4y ago
Common 60+ years ago, rarer than hen's teeth today.
[deleted] 4y ago
I see a woman with tattoos, I know what it is...
... And it isn't commitment.
trpblacklime 4y ago
So they essentially want a guy who has no authority in a relationship but accepts all of the responsibility. They want slaves.
chuck-u_farley 4y ago
Exactly!
timebandit1975 4y ago
That's what SIMP is a synonym for: servant, pet, patsy.
MGTOWManofMystery 4y ago
Let's hope Mark (in the article) wakes up from his blue-pilled miasma and throws away any idea to marry up these nutty broads.
Lando_620 4y ago
It goes beyond this. Look at the kink community, it is becoming exceedingly common among young feminist type women and the vast majority of them want to be a submissive to a dominant man. This shows the complete lack of awareness they have, as they say they don't like all of those masculine traits but when push comes to shove those masculine men are what they want.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 4y ago
I'd rather not lol
DaMeteor 4y ago
I remember coming out of HS (where I was oblivious to girls and also had no experience) being so confused giving girls everything they said they wanted. Then I started getting more sexual experience and all these girls wanted me to do was degrade them and use them like objects, which felt completely and utterly wrong to me especially with me having a liberal leaning background. It was after my first couple of experiences like this and going through with it that I realized how ridiculously stupid the whole thing is and I've stopped hoeing around ever since.
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Let's not. They're almost all fat disgusting ham-monsters who only get into "kink" because they have to be willing to be degraded and abused in order to find any sex.
Lando_620 4y ago
Really just meant on a data perspective.
When I looked at it by me, about 70% are ugly/obese/old but about 30% are attractive and 18-30ish. They just get burnout or partner up super fast. Honestly, that ratio is no worse than tinder/dating apps.
DrDog09 4y ago
So its all fake. Biology wins, but society has duped them into thinking that slaving away in a cube farm so that 1% might make VP somewhere is success when it is nothing but window dressing. They are so undependent that they don't have the guts to stand up and say -- Yeah I want the man, the kids, the dog and the picket fence, screw the 401k.
The_Meep_Lord 4y ago
Go deeper.
They got all they wanted from liberalism now they want to get the benefits of being a housewife.
OG_walrus 4y ago
It was from the start. That's why we never liked it.
MRMRising 4y ago
So these feminist/progressive women are for gender equality, except in the areas where it really counts.
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