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Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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Created By kevin32
Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
Rules of conduct:
1. No shaming men for any reason.
2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate forum.
3. No comments such as "Her profile looks decent", "She's not asking for much", "At least she's honest". No comments saying a post is fake without proof. Proof must be sent via modmail.
Rules for submission:
5. Submissions must show a woman who is looking for commitment while also either complaining about jerks or promiscuity, needing her kids provided for, being entitled or unreasonable, or complaining that she "can't find a decent guy". (Examples, details)
5b. No posts of women who are merely fat, post-wall, unattractive, seeking sex or money, nor women merely behaving badly. (Examples NOT allowed)
6. No personal information in dating profiles or social media accounts. Take a screenshot and censor all names, social media, hometown, school, and place of work. Additionally, censor any children's faces if their mommy included them in any profile photos.
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Recommended reading:
Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
Link Flair:
The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
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Hakkeshu 3y ago
This scenario happened to Tom Leykis lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFe-34B8sGY
escailer 3y ago
I had a version of this happen to me many years ago. It still makes me shudder a little to this day to think about who I was back then.
Started dating this girl I met online, on Yahoo Personals if you want to guess my advanced age. We went out a couple times; nice late-college style dates. Like 4 dates in and we hadn’t even kissed and definitely hadn’t had sex. One night when I drop her off I bring up the “hey we’ve been going out for a bit but no interaction, do you even like me” conversation. She tells me that because she really likes me, she wants to take it slow with me.
Usually she just hooks up with a guy whenever she can, but with me wants to make it special. I go home the combination of angry and depressed we all know too well. I feel worthless but at the same time happy that I am one of the “good guys” that girls want to pursue relationships with.
Not long after, she tells me a story about when she lived in Alaska. She and this guy she thought was hot were driving back from another town late at night on a windy road. She decided it would be funny to just start blowing him right there in the car to try to distract him while he was driving. Smash cut to quite soon after when we are starting to heat things up back at my place. I hint that I would love to “see if she could distract me” or something I’m sure I thought was clever at the time. She then informs me that she no longer likes going down on guys. She had some ex that took a long time to finish that way and so she decided she didn’t want to do it anymore. But, she did conveniently wait until I had finished going down on her to tell me this.
Needless to say, I did not break up with her. She tossed me aside a few months later when she was ready to move on.
My life is night and day different now than I was then, and communities like these are a big part of that. This sub obviously is on the cynical end of the spectrum, and at this point about as much humor as serious. But the community you guys have built here, the standards you are teaching—these are really critical and life-saving things.
And if anyone is interested: she is still single now closing in on 40, never married, and the wall hit her like a nuclear bomb going off.
Aldabruzzo No busted Pillsbury biscuit cans 3y ago
thanks for that story. A lot of us men have had pretty much exactly the same things happen to us.
EDIT: "no longer likes going down on guys" Ha. Bullshit. Any time a woman tells you that, call bullshit. Women are VERY proud of their blow job skills. if they're sexually attracted to you they'll boast to you about how good they are at head. Every woman who expresses sexual attraction to you will always tell you about their cock sucking prowess and how much they love it. If you're Chad or Tyrone, you'll never hear "I don't like going down on guys".
"I no longer like going down on guys" translates to
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escailer 3y ago
Some comedian, I think it was Bill Burr but I could be wrong, had a great bit about how we should always tell women how great they are at blow jobs. Even if they weren’t anything special, tell them how good they are at it. It makes them feel proud, they’ll want to do it more for everyone they subsequently sleep with. Its like a gift all guys can collectively give each other.
Aldabruzzo No busted Pillsbury biscuit cans 3y ago
well, yeah. I can see that.
And some girls are not good at BJs. Most are minimally competent. Some, a few, are really really good at it.
RF111164 3y ago
XDDD
a happy ending after all
RRFdev 3y ago
Slutting around does age a woman drastically.
RF111164 3y ago
more than that; all the drugs, smoking, parties, diet etc
I'd like to think it's the "Dorian Gray effect" LMAO
RRFdev 3y ago
Yes, and this might be bro-science at this point onward, but there is also diabetes creeping in and early stages of kidney failure leading to the accelerated aging, and the accumulated damage from STDs whose symptoms can only be treated but not the actual disease.
Unless I am mistaken that there are actual antiviral drugs that KILL the STD pathogens.
askmrcia 3y ago
Yes a lot of us experienced something similar at one point in our lives. Very easy for a lot of guys to fall for the trap because that is exactly what's beaten into our heads as we are growing up. "Treat women nice, treat women with respect, women are special," blah blah blah.
Everything you did would have been perfect if you were in a movie or some TV show featuring some type of romantic theme. Because again that's the stuff people want men to believe. Which is they are innocent little snowflakes who always need protection. Especially from the so called "jerks".
Damn near every teen drama had the quiet nice guy eventually winning over the hottest cheerleader who's been ran through by the jocks. The romantic comedies are much worse. Just pick one and the plot is simply the woman giving the worse types of guys sex while some avg Joe waits for his turn and "wins" in the end.
I remember seeing a movie two years ago on Netflix where some dude wifed up a hooker in the end. Theme was he had to save the hooker from her harsh life. And no she wasn't trafficked or anything like that.
Then you have women play victim and constantly telling guys that they hate being used by men and only want someone special and "nice". She turns around and says she was tricked by the last 40 guys thinking they were nice.
For a guy lacking experience it's easy for that guy to fall into that trap because he's getting everything from movies and women themselves.
At the end of the day you have to ignore their words and watch their actions. With the internet being accessible as it is a lot of guys are waking up EARLIER then ever. Terms like friendzoned, SIMP, and being strung along are pretty popular now.
I-am-the-lul 3y ago
That is part of the mainstream narrative, the false idea that women prefer nice guys but are somehow always tricked into sex by bad boys who fake niceness to get into their panties, it is very important for society to convince men that "niceness" is sexually attractive to women as having plenty of nice guys keeps society going and provides women with lots of comfort when they are not having their backs blown out.
TRP and MGTOW both understand that women are not aroused by niceness and in fact, niceness tends to LOWERS a woman's sexual interest in a man, TRP is all about encouraging men to build themselves up so they can become the sorts of men women want to fuck.
For the MGTOW men who are still willing to seek sex with women, sex becomes more of a "take it or leave it" thing depending on how easy it is for him to get laid, while the rest, Monk Mode is the choice for men who want to limit their dealings with women further and/or because they no longer feel that it is worth the herculean effect it takes them to get laid.
where_muh_good_mens 3y ago
It's not even that it is somehow a "herculean effort". I can get laid by genuinely interested women, but I choose not to because there is no result from that experience that would be beneficial to me. The only benefit I can expect is sex and that is a burden of the flesh, not of the mind. Monk mode is finding oneself to be the priority in his life, not the vices that keep him entertained.
escailer 3y ago
The older I get, the dramatically better idea monk mode sounds.
I-am-the-lul 3y ago
Not having a ton of T flowing through your system combined with your age helps greatly in letting your bigger head override your smaller head.
where_muh_good_mens 3y ago
You have your own personal experience that our posts and threads are riddled with, yet you have the audacity to also say we are cynical and isn't really that serious. Dude, your blue-pills need to go.
escailer 3y ago
Oh I’m very cynical, more than most. It’s one reason I love it here so much. I included myself chief among that “we”. There is a tinge of dark humor in much of shat we see here. In my opinion it’s one reason why this is my favorite sub.
where_muh_good_mens 3y ago
Alright, but I do take this sub seriously and I want men that come here to also take it seriously. Let's all have a laugh at their expense, but comedy is funny because it's true.
escailer 3y ago
100% agree, I’m on board.
TerpsMakeMeDrink 3y ago
As a rule of thumb, every recently-divorced woman has more pipe laid on her than the Keystone Pipeline. Then, after taking nautical miles of cock, their pussies start to look looser than an untied crown royal bag, and they decide they want to settle back down.
DeltaHawk98 3y ago
Some very vivid metaphors you got there
Redhood616 3y ago
Basically sums up 90% of the divorce regret related posts on relationship advice. Where the ex-wife after taking miles of new cock, tries to crawl back to her ex-husband and have her family & friends harass him into conceding.
RRFdev 3y ago
Because recent divorcees turn their slut dials to maximum, and likewise due to their exposed vulnerability they are easy pickings for Chads looking for an easy lay and a pump and dump.
The divorcees get influenced into thinking "Oh, I just got out of a relationship. I'm not looking for anything serious", but they are really just covering their feelings of shame to eject from a marriage only to be used as a cum dumpster.
ghettopimpmaster 3y ago
her pussy probably looks like a pastrami sandwich.
californiawaves23 3y ago
Untied crown royal bag... I’m dying
mustangfrank 3y ago
crown was my favorite drink until, now.
Terrible_Presumption 3y ago
Just shut-up.
jrpark05 3y ago
Hit a bit too close to home? LMAO!
UltimaterializerX 3y ago
So the guy she cares about has to work for what other guys got for free.
Terrible_Presumption 3y ago
The moral of the story is that she's been through this before; and can't trust a guy forever-ever again, until he plays a game of Chutes and Ladders.
tosernameschescksout 3y ago
Classic mating strategy. This needs to be enshrined forever. It's gold. So many women do EXACTLY this, especially after a breakup. Everybody needs to understand it, and they need to know what it's like for the men in that situation.
She's fucking everybody, serious with none because she just got out of a serious relationship and needs.... what, fuck therapy? She's literally using men. Maybe some of those men just want 'flings', but some of them are going to feel used by her cavalier behavior. She's in the mode where she's hunting for men that aren't serious so she can ride the cock carousel. At the same time, she treats all men the same, and creates a self fulfilling prophecy that all men are the same. No, they're not all the same, YOU created that.
She's in that damaged emotional state that women put themselves in after a breakup where they "aren't ready for another relationship." Then she finally meets someone she wants to hold on to, and is afraid of fucking him because she doesn't want to be a sexual conquest, she wants to be a partner. She doesn't want all men to be the same. Again, I must repeat that she created that situation. She was treating THEM as disposable, not the other way around.
She's rebounding all over the court like a ball in a basketball game at a Summer camp for kids with down syndrome.
Women live fast and loose for decades, then they want to settle down... but when they do that, they find a nice guy and absolutely refuse to have sex, absolutely refuse to let it be serious, intimate, or close... and they don't know how much that works against them.
That guy is eventually going to move on, and she will have lost something she treasured. He is going to resent the fact that she fucked hundreds of other men, but won't be close to him and denies him that kind of a relationship. She's literally telling him that he isn't good enough. All the other men are better. Women never understand that part. She is friendzoning the one guy she DOESN'T want to be friends with, and she's increasingly terrified of losing him as the relationship builds more value.
So the relationship builds more value, and the stakes are higher. Now she can't fuck him at all until they're married. She needs assurances. She's afraid that she is a sexual conquest, not a lover.
Right around this point, something happens. She's been smashing her 'neurotic' button like a drug addict with a heroine drip. She's been smashing that button nonstop. Something has got to give. That guy is finally going to make a move, and she's going to freak the fuck out. "What kind of a woman do you think I am?" "Ah, it was always only about sex with you, I knew it!!! You don't love me!"
She's going to flip out in a way that only women do. She's going to sabotage the relationship. She'll drop accusations. She'll insult the guy. She'll push him away. And in the middle of this neurotic frenzy, she won't have any self awareness of consequences. So... she loses the guy. He bails out of a burning plane. She spends a few night crying into her pillow, completely unable to make sense of her own irrational behavior and what just happened.
She will then dry her eyes, tell herself that she's just not ready for another relationship, and go right back to step one of this process, which is fucking a LOT of random men.
How's that working out for ya?
Later, she'll find another guy she wants to keep, and she will let the same god damn thing happen again.
Women magically become prudes when they want to keep a guy, but they often overplay their position. When a woman flips the fuck out and is totally irrational, it's often because she's buggered up with confusion and internal conflict. They're playing a false position, and they don't know how long to keep it but they're terrified of loss if they actually fuck you.
Most of the times you THINK you got a new girlfriend... it was just your turn while she's out there fucking as MANY men as she possibly can during that time when she's between serious relationships. Women are either in a dedicated relationship, they're fucking EVERYBODY, or they're considering a dedicated relationship and NOT fucking him because she wants him... which makes no fucking sense, but there you have it. The three relationship statuses. "It's complicated."
It's easy to be pissed off about that, but it's just human nature. Personally, I'm out. I'm MGTOW because I don't want to put up with neurotic, illogical bullshit and lies. I've met very few honest women in my life. Very few can be honest with themselves, let alone with others. They are mostly confused and conflicted, and in denial of their hypergamy. They can't reconcile with that or grow beyond it.
Silas-Gray 3y ago
Female logic. When you only have one card to play, I guess you have to be smart in how you play it. For Chad-chasers, Chad is the goal, so that card is played immediately. When it comes to other guys, the goal is stability, so women will find ways to maximize the effectiveness of sex by drawing it out and making men work for it. The important thing to consider here is women enjoy manipulation more than sex itself. Because to them sex is not about love, or even an act of maintenance, it’s just a tool they’ve been given. I always say this, women aren’t capable of love, they can’t feel something unconditionally because theirs is a conditional existence. They cannot give of themselves in service of another because that goes against their selfish, greedy natures.
five_eight 3y ago
goddammit I love this sub.
ButMessiDeservedIt 3y ago
Seriously. It's fucking GOLD.
dorballom09 3y ago
Im starting to think it should have a moderated-short version in high school curriculum. Will increase number of successful male graduates by a lot.
toolate4redpill 3y ago
Well it makes sense. When they are married sex basically slows way down or stops entirely. She's just preparing him for that.
meerita Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
It's amazing how she says "special" but at the same time, it is not. If you meet someone special, you go for it, if that person is not special, then you go slowly or you don't go. She wants the chad, she wants the rebel motard
KneedHelpQuicc 3y ago
Do women not see how it doesn’t make sense? How shit doesn’t add up? Or are they collectively purposefully missing the point?
MC_Batsy 3y ago
The comment at the bottom was epic! LOL
Jabaggs 3y ago
I wonder how many upvotes or downvotes he has by now lmao
Redhood616 3y ago
Given this is reddit, he probably got downvoted to oblivion
Ragnnohab 3y ago
Also banned and thread was locked because of all these anti BLM Trump voters flooding in
Celticpenguin85 3y ago
He's no doubt one of those yalls who lack the ability to behave.
shrinkshooter 3y ago
It isn't logic at all, it's instinct. Like it or not this is another thing built in to female biological programming.
If you're on WAATGM chances are you know about the dual mating, Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks dichotomy. Well, just like that dual mating strategy is instinctive and there from the outset, so is the instinctive understanding of how to use that strategy. The short version is this: she knows that if she sleeps with a guy "too quickly" she's unlikely to be able to keep him around, because he'll see her as a slut, and men don't commit to that. If she makes a guy wait and takes things slowly, gives in much later, she knows the man will see her as more appropriate commitment material ("it took me months to fuck her, I can't see her cheating on me easily"). Just as men can take on the "provider" frame or the "lover" frame, women can take on the "lover" frame or the "mother/partner" frame.
This instinct only exists as a reaction to men's instincts which tell us not to commit to sluts because we can't be sure that her offspring are actually ours. There's antagonistic interplay between the male instincts of what we try to get from females and female instincts of what they try to get from us. You may then ask "well, if she makes you wait because she wants your commitment, why doesn't she make Chad wait? Isn't his commitment more valuable?" Yes and no. It would be, but despite much of the shit you see on this sub about overinflated senses of women's self-worth, even they instinctively understand when a guy is clearly out of their league. If they're a 6/10 and they have a shot with a 10/10, they have two choices as just described: give up sex quickly and satisfy the Alpha Fucks prerogative, or roll the dice and make Chad wait for sex and see if that makes him want to commit. He won't, because Chad has options, and she knows this, so she doesn't bother making him wait; better to get his fucks than to gamble and lose everything when he decides enough is enough and he'll get his rocks off with someone else.
TacticalTacktleneck 3y ago
So it actually is kinda logic, just not intuitive.
Good explanation though
Aldabruzzo No busted Pillsbury biscuit cans 3y ago
The "AF" strategy is just as important to understand. Two reasons she fucks hot guys early on. First, because she's programmed to mate with strong handsome men to get the best genes she can for reproduction. Most women don't think about that now but this is hardwired in women. The other reason she fucks hot guys is because fucking hot guys is fun, exciting, validating, and "affirms" her "value". It's "I got attention from this hot guy....that means I have a lot of value and worth as a woman!"
A lot of women also think that if they fuck this hot guy, they just might lock him down for commitment. They know they're competing. They know if they don't fuck him, about 5 other girls will. They know if they DON'T fuck him he DEFINITELY will not commit. So they take the chance.
RRFdev 3y ago
It's a lose-lose situation for women, sadly enough. Most likely the Chad won't commit after the fucking. Even if they strike it lucky enough that the Chad commits, maybe cause he's massively settling or some shit, the Chad soon ejects once a better girl comes into his orbit.
Look at all the sob stories of women bemoaning about how their boyfriends/husbands cheat on them. Every time their men are several leagues higher than them in value.
AgreeableHelicopter2 3y ago
Isn't it true that most of the guys she'll fuck are older man 27-28+?
californiawaves23 3y ago
It’s a shame that this biology that is ingrained in male and females isn’t taught to people as they grow. Imagine the pain and agony this would save many from as they grow up and understand the world for what it is. I sure know I could have used this advice growing up... thankful I found it at 30 and not 50
shrinkshooter 3y ago
It's the biggest travesty and crime in regards to the sexual dynamics redpill. It would take me a book to explain why it is this way, but all I'm going to say is thank christ for the internet, allowing people to crowdsource information and compare notes instantly from anywhere with boundless data.
californiawaves23 3y ago
I always had an inkling about red pill but reading Rollo’s book really put me on to the game. It took time to actually implement the ideas but man when you seem them work and it all come together it’s extremely empowering.
R_Hak 3y ago
Only inexperienced males believe that.
agreed
where_muh_good_mens 3y ago
Please read the rules. You violated Rule #1.
R_Hak 3y ago
Edited comment. Its be ok to make criticism and observations, or not?
where_muh_good_mens 3y ago
Sure, we are here to learn! The problem comes when you degrade those who may not have learnt yet.
goodmansaysfuckyou Big Dick Energy Misogynist 3y ago
What she really meant to say is:
"What's the best way to keep him on the hook and string him along while I see what other options I have before the wall wins another round, without him thinking that I am stringing him along as a wallet in a glass case?"
He doesn't treat her like a piece of ass and doesn't show her that she is unimportant to him. The only power that we have is the ability to walk away and give zero fucks about them. This guy has already sacrificed those options and her pussy dried up like it was covered in desiccant powder.
On a side note:
The guy that made the first comment:
Probably made her just as horny as the guys from her many "casual flings".
General_Blackblood 3y ago
"He's clearly interested, there's no games (which is great!), and so I must start playing games immediately to test how interested he really is!"
Aldabruzzo No busted Pillsbury biscuit cans 3y ago
"I don't really like these guys or know them. But they are hot, fun, exciting, dramatic, spontaneous, and adventurous. I want to fuck, so I will have sex with those hot guys I don't know, don't like, and are not relationship material."
"I do really
need to use this guy for commitment and resourceslike this guy. He's nice, kind, predictable, stable, reliable, has a good job, and will make a good father to my kids. I will make him wait for sex to make sure he will give me what I want and will put up with my shit. I will make him wait, so that I have maximum control over our interactions. Because Ineed to use and exploit himlike him so much, I'll make him wait.Wtfbyamey 3y ago
Somehow magically all women want to supposedly get serious and actually wanna wait to have sex while getting in a relationship, but don’t wanna wait even few minutes while hooking up in thier 20s.. Somehow,Magically, every woman that wants to get serious is of age 30 or above And yet females cry that there’s no such power flip at 30 The wall is very real And it comes at 30 for 85% of the females
tw1nm3t30r 3y ago
Oh yeah Chad Thundercock and his 100+ fellow jerkoff friends get it for free but genuine, modest, hardworking Steve has to earn it. "It" being strung along with empty promises of getting to fuck her used up body, spending money on meaningless crap she doesn't give two shits about and pay for dates while she is on her phone the entire fucking time. All of that to be told that she's not interested in sex or dating him anymore at that point. She then runs off to chase Chad Thundercock once again only to be treated like trash, then complains that there are no good men in the world and all men are pigs.
RKO2685 3y ago
Once a guy gives off beta or provider guy vibes is over.
They always make them wait.
Billy hes ok with it cause he wants to prove hes a good man just like society taught him too.
Chad didn't have to wait for shit.
He fucked her that night in all her holes and she loved him for it.
Honestly idk why ltr or marry a woman in her 30s anyway makes no sense.
altair43 3y ago
Well, she need to make sure beta can fund her after the divorce. LOL
[deleted] 3y ago
And if it becomes really serious between them, the "let's take things slowly" will become "Jesus! You just think about one thing, don't you?" then "I love you but we should sleep in separate bedrooms. Here's your toothbrush".
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Natuasi 3y ago
Women can be so fucking disgusting. Never, ever, satisfied.
autonomousfailure 3y ago
lol she doesn’t want to him go away too soon so she’s trying to keep him by depriving him of sex.
Zombeflandrs 3y ago
One girl tried this with me and wanted me to work for it while other guys didnt have to. I explained to her that pussy is what keeps me around and interested. If I dont get that in a timely manner I move on. We were smashing the next day
AngryCockOfJustice 3y ago
let me get it right. Dude is not playing games but he has to play HER game which entails wasting time, impressing her and spending cash while getting a used up all jizzed pussy
Jabaggs 3y ago
Yup
mustangfrank 3y ago
You make is sound better than it really is, but she doesn't see that. she is a princess and deserves the best.
KneeDeepThought 3y ago
And one day he'll find out being "special" means getting strung along and manipulated while the guys she bitches about got the hot kinky stuff on day one. Then she'll be surprised when he drops her like a hot rock for her mistreatment, not learn a thing, and lather rinse and repeat.
qazpol 3y ago
She will then label him as toxic, abusive, asshole to logically absolve herself of any wrong doing, faults or self criticisms and continue the same cycle.
EastEndMontrealer1 3y ago
If you ask me, the best way to avoid being called this is to just not make them realize that you're doing it. Where it might be tempting to call them on it, it's better to not tell them and just ignore them completely. It's like the old saying: "You can't fight what you can't see". They can't criticize you calling them on their actions if they don't realize that you're doing it.
mustangfrank 3y ago
If there are any females reading this site, what is your response to the above pattern? Why don't you ever learn?
I knew a heightist. She would only date men 6' and above. She would date some guy, and it would last 2-3 months, then the relationship would crash. She would be down in the dumps for 4-6 months, until she meet another man. In the 2 -3 years I knew her, she dated Mr. 6'2", 6'4" and 6'7". One day she is talking to me and says that the reason all her relationships fail is that she is too intimidating. I felt like taking her by the ears and shaking some sense into her head. The only thing that mattered to her was the man's height.
Just like KneeDeepThought wrote, "she'll, not learn a thing, and lather, rinse and repeat."
I had lost track of her, when I did meet her again, she had gained 30-40 pounds and looked bad.
goldeean 3y ago
Almost every woman I know, myself included, is in a long term relationship spanning years not months. Honestly the fourfold division mentioned about, when considering sexual relationships, is more or less right. Hot rich guys - hell yeah, how exciting, the life they could give you - and the sex. Win win. Stable but not thrilling guys, nice comfortable place to settle down. Hot exciting but kinda loser guys - good for a fling, have a bit of excitement, nothing long term. Ugly guys with no life - maybe they'd be good as friends if they have a nice personality but no, they're not attractive - duh. Y'all say it like it's a bad thing. But that division just makes sense.
Where you make the mistake though is in assuming large numbers of men are not also interested in just settling down to a stable life with a normal woman and having a family and all that jazz. The idea that none of that appeals to men and they're not as, if not MORE, sentimental than women in the end. Everyone loves fun and excitement. Lots of people, male and female, crave something more too. And they get it. Lots of people actually get it. For all the people who get divorced there's large numbers of people who never do too (especially people who are college educated). They live that life they wanted with the house, the kids, the person they probably did "settle" on when they realised that no, Elon Musk is not going to come and sweep them off their feet and invite them to a life of jetset adventures forever.
And they go about their lives, with the ups and downs, sometimes happy, sometimes sad, sometimes frustrated, sometimes relieved. They have sex, and they have other things too. They grow old and theres someone there, to hold their hand and keep them company, not the perfect person, not the only person it could have been, not the only person there ever was - but someone, and they hold hands, and talk to their kids on the phone, and watch the grandkids play when they come to visit and when the look at the life and noise and play in front of them in those moments, even as their health is failing and they are aching in every joint and can taste death creeping up on the horizon, they know it was worth it.
And the girls and boys who just chased after some quick tail even into their 40s and 50s and 60s, well some of them have some of that too, and some of them die alone, with no-one to hold their hand, with no sounds and life, just stuck in a chair in a drafty building with no-one to talk to, at the whims of their carers who have no personal connection to them and don't really "care" (and might actively harm) - at best, or worse, genuinely alone, at the whims of their now frail body in a world full of threats.
And some of the ones who got 90% of the way to the first scenario end up in the last, and some of the ones who got 90% of the way to the last, in those final days find someone to give succor, some genuine human kindness and love.
But if all you want is to get your dick wet, you won't worry about any of that until it's too late, then who isn't "learning"?
fuggtyler 3y ago
Dude I totally agree, subs like these deal in absolutes but theres plenty of people it goes differently for, plenty of poeople that had different standards.
The world famous Wyatt Earp was dating a prostitute for gods sake. He just didn't care. A lot of people just find who they like and date them and don't care what other peopel think.
I agree a lot of these radical feminists are angry and alone and projecting but with regards to people "settling" that happens all the time. Life long partnerships that go on decades have a LOT of ups and downs, if you look back in the 1930s there was a lot of dead marriages.
And oddly enough if you look even in the 19th century it was common for even upper class people that they took lovers and even their wives took lovers, weird shit like that.
People always see it in some absolute black and white thing like "100 years ago women were blah blah blah" but in actual fact A LOT went on. There was a lot of stuff that some people on this sub would class as "degeneracy" going on.
mustangfrank 3y ago
Thanks for the reply, but you didn't answer my question. I asked why women never learn from their mistakes. I mentioned the heightist, who kept failing in relationships because she never learned from them. You see women choosing abusive men over and over again. I as a man would never do so in a woman. I dated a girl 5'7", 123 pounds, 34DD, 27, 37. She had the body of a playboy centerfold. She was also an alcoholic. I had never dated anyone who had a drug problem. After a while, I realized to get into any LTR would be a disaster. And if any girl I can across showed any kind of behavior like hers, I stopped dating her ASAP. I never dated anyone with the intent of fixing her, women choose men to fix, while ignoring good men. Just like the site says.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a man's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of thinking he was entitled to sex just for being nice.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys he was a "NiceGuy™" unworthy of dating, but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout he's a "real man" who treats her with respect.
goldeean 3y ago
It's the same reason as men. A fair number of people don't think about the long term, they're just thinking about what they feel like right now. Maybe a year or two down the line. They're not thinking 10-30 years down the line or longer.
And I mean, its understandable. We can die any time... but ...we might also live so it's worth preparing for that too.
mustangfrank 3y ago
I disagree with you. I think the majority of men do learn from their mistakes. You see men at WAATGM, not because they dislike women, but rather to share painful experiences of relationships so as to give that knowledge to other men so they don't have to suffer the same fate.
Women choose losers and repeat the cycle. If it doesn't work out, it is because the man was a jerk, no issue with her. She is blameless. You see women who make statements like this. I have had my share of bad boys, now I want a good one. Why a good one, now? She never learned. She is aging out and losing out to younger women; she is in panic mode. She knows the scum she dated for years never offered to commit, so now the search a man who will. The problem for a man is she never wanted a good man in her younger years and she really doesn't want a good man, now. She wants a bad boy with good man traits. And if she lands a good man, she will cheat on him in the future. You know this and so do I. Thus, the reason for WAATGM. I will even bet some of your girlfriends have said it, too. Do you think that their poor choices in their younger years might be the reason they are single, now?
goldeean 3y ago
The only woman I know who is single has only ever had girlfriends.
KneeDeepThought 3y ago
It's a mark of maturity to understand the common denominator in all one's problems is yourself. Many women never reach that level of maturity in modern society because there's no motivating force to do so. This is the root of the "it's never my fault" toddler-level mindset that locks them into these patterns of failure.
LightFTL 3y ago
Well, there’s also the morals development scale that even when tested by women trying to disprove it consistently found women rarely get past the stage of “Nice Girl, Good Boy” which is “nice = good, mean = bad” and not any more complex. Women NEVER go beyond the stage immediately past it which is basically the ability to recognize that there are some situations in which nice and good are not necessarily the same. That’s all. Boys almost always made it two or three times as many stages further to a complex understanding of morals and virtue, the ability to recognize and value rules, and eventually the creation of law and a judicial system. Also, the creation of a concept of virtue. Which means women without men are literally INCAPABLE of creating a concept of virtue or valuing it.
mustangfrank 3y ago
Another truism I just leaned from you. If you are treated like a Princess, since day 1, you deserve the best, so any decision is right. If something goes wrong, "it's never my fault" it is the man's. I just cannot find a good man. Boo Hoo WAATGM?
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
It reads to me as though he's sharing his painful experience so other men know what to look out for.
Where do you get any sense of projection from that? Explain your question.
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
I agree, except in cases where someone can actually explain why something is projection.
/u/TakMisoto, I'm trying to give you a chance here.
Edit - my patience is used up. /u/TakMisoto, appeal your ban when you see this, if you wish to return.
I doubt the appeal will go well for you.
houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 3y ago
As /u/Typo-MAGAshiv stated, projection can be an applicable and appropriate charge if it is explained properly. It has currently been co-opted by those who do not have rigor for intellectual debate, so you will get it right when you state that mental midgets are very apt to use it.
My philosophy is that you should always have substance behind your words, real demonstration of examples. It is easy to say that you have the facts on your side, but much more effort is required to actually show some facts. Similarly, saying someone is "projecting" is easy to say without demonstrating how the projection is taking place.
I like to refer to sort of thing as the "concept of facts." That is, a declaration that you have the facts and nothing more. You can certainly be correct that you do have the facts on your side, but it only exists abstractly until you have real proof. Ironically, I am engaging in the very concept I am describing, though I am aware that I am not claiming to have the facts on my side nor am I pointing to anyone who I claim does not "have the facts."
In short, debates, refutation, and arguments are useless without real substance. Nut up or shut up when you are speaking about facts; there should be substance with any assertions made.
window_licker84 3y ago
I get it now. “Take things slowly” means no sex. Chad doesn’t have to take things slowly only the serious betas.
mr_kuk 3y ago
It means she's interested in your provisioning and will allow you to exist in her reality till she gets bored and wants half.
Its_Me_Dio 3y ago
Ya, "Taking things slowly" is a red flag to me. Literally got burned every single time. Always means some type of games or manipulation. Sad thing is, some of them don't even realise it.
Something_Chronical 3y ago
His prize is the vaunted no blow jobs starfish routines. That's one lucky homeboy! Hypergamy is simply unfettered in our world today. There's essentially no value in a woman for a man....except for casual flings. Being aware of this is very powerful.
jstrockmeyer 3y ago
Traksimuss 3y ago
Honesty is the tool of patriarchy!
toolate4redpill 3y ago
I regret that I only have one upvote for you sir
Honest_Solution 3y ago
“Take things slowly” means she is setting you up for the friendzone. She needs to go on about 7 dates with you in order to get you to invest enough so that when she lays the trap, you won’t be able to walk away easily. This has happened to me, exactly like this.
MissSoggyKnees 3y ago
Its more like she's taking her time figuring out if it's worthwhile to use you, or possibly divorce rape you. She has already decided not to have a passionate sexual realtionship with you (she has other guys for that), so the only other considerations are if you are wealthy, or will become wealthy, or if you can do things for her her like advance her career or provide childcare support etc.
RRFdev 3y ago
Fucking other men on the first date while waiting you wait 7 dates to even kiss her.
mariusalb 3y ago
I prefer being a Chad then
I-am-the-lul 3y ago
TRP can help you become more like Chad if you are a Beta, but it takes a lot of time and effort, even then it doesn't always work out.
jihocech 3y ago
Of course. Men are not stupid. They may be naive, but not forever.
Second stage? Lack of males worth marrying :-) More beer and crisps for me, please.
Land_of_the_Losers the-niceguy.com 3y ago
But of course. The flings are for hot, meaningless, sweaty pleasure! But the "special" dude? He's so important that he needs to work hard, prove his impeccable moral credentials and demonstrate to perfection that he possesses the assiduous mettle to one day Tak€ R€$pon$ibi£it¥!
It's a position of great prestige that he has. That's why he gets to navigate only the finest obstacle course for occasional, carefully-rationed, vanilla access to her well-used and slowly aging body. Such an honor!
LightFTL 3y ago
“slowly aging body.” Slowly?
alecesne 3y ago
Oof.
corbayz 3y ago
Yeah those words hit hard
Individual451 3y ago
But in the post above she didn't say he wasn't getting any. She said she didn't want to rush into things emotionally. That implies to me that she is putting out, but doesn't want to dive straight into a full on, full time relationship too quickly?
Aldabruzzo No busted Pillsbury biscuit cans 3y ago
Come on man
No woman ever is going to say "I don't want to rush into things emotionally with this guy I'm fucking". Because she's not fucking a guy she's hesitating about.
When a woman says "I want to take it slow" and "I don't want to rush into anything emotionally", she is talking about SEX there. Because women know that their most valuable bargaining chip is sex. And women know once they've given that to a guy, they've given up a lot of their bargaining power. They also know that once sex starts, it has to continue, because any man worth a shit is not going to accept less sex.
Women talk about "worrying about rushing into things emotionally" when it's a potential sexual relationship with a commitment worthy but not all that attractive guy. She has to hamster herself into having sex with this guy she's not really all that attracted to. She needs to rationalize it. This is essentially femspeak for
Because, dude, if she was sexually attracted to him, the hamster wouldn't need to run at Mach 2. She'd just fuck him and let the hamster take care of it afterwards.
Also, when a woman is having sex, she ALREADY HAS "rushed in" emotionally. When a woman gives up sex, she's also going in emotionally. She says she isn't, but she is. Most women give their best intimacy and their true selves to the men they fuck early on. The men they fuck early on are the men who really know who those women truly are. Know how I know this? Because the sexual experience for women is 95% how she feels and more specifically how he makes her feel. "Feel" = emotions.
She wants to figure out how to get this valuable guy for commitment, and the way to do that is to hold back her most valuable asset until it most advantages her to give it.
She doesn't want to dive into a SEXUAL relationship with THIS man until she knows she will get what she expects him to give her in exchange for that sex.
Alpha_Black_Knight 3y ago
Plenty of truth there.
dorballom09 3y ago
Ty for the info boss
ThePrinceOfShadows 3y ago
Never understood why they think they are doing you a favor by making you wait because you're "special".
Edit: Due to the responses to this comment, I decided expounding on this was necessary. The reason they are making you wait is because they don't want to be perceived as a slut, attractive or not, it's because they have categorized you as a potential long term mate. My statement, mostly rhetorical, was why in their minds do they think they are doing you as a man a favor by purposefully withholding sex. My theory was that in their solipsistic view they think they are doing you an honor by considering you for an LTR, so waiting, even though other guys didn't have to, is a gift. As corsican-pimp put it, it's a fucking retarded reason. Anyways, in response to the other comments, I thought I would lay out a fun little scenario for people to ponder if they have the time to read.
Let us take a hypothetical pre-wall women who's enjoying the local dating scene. These are the 4 general types of guys she has available to her.
Chad McRich - Chad is an Operations Manager for a large industrial concern, from which he earns a hefty 6 figure income. He plays rugby on a men's league on the weekend and has a large circle of friends. He is what all women want, an Alpha Bucks.
Billy Beta - He's got a good job as an Accounting Director for a large corporation. He brings in a good income. He doesn't pay much attention to fitness, and while not fat, he's your typical soft, office type. He likes to spend his weekends volunteering and attending services at his Church. He's the quintessential beta.
Chad Thundercock - He's a drummer in the local rock band. Doesn't make shit and lives in an apartment with his band mates. He is tatted up, well built and is quite "hawt". He is your typical alpha.
Joe Invisible - Obese guy that works as a delivery driver at Pizza Hut. Goes home to play video games in his mom's basement. Our hypothetical girl doesn't know he exists.
So the question is, who does she want to fuck, who does she fuck immediately, who does she make wait, and who never gets any? Why?
She wants to fuck Chad McRich, but she makes him wait because she sees him as the ideal man, wants a LTR or marriage, and wants to be perceived as a women worthy of that devotion.
She doesn't want to fuck Billy Beta, but she will eventually after making him wait. She is not sexually attracted to him but he is very suitable for a long term relationship if she can't make her Alpha Bucks dream pan out. He is the type of guy that gets divorce raped or cucked down the line.
She will give it up to Chad Thundercock the first night. She wants to fuck him but doesn't see any type of future with him long term, so she does not care at all if she's perceived as a slut in his eyes.
Joe Invisible is just the invisible thing that makes pizza appear at his door. He is nothing to her.
Aldabruzzo No busted Pillsbury biscuit cans 3y ago
Women think they're doing you a favor because they think their "commitment" to a man is the "prize". They think if they give their "commitment" to you, that you have "won" the "prize". It's just projection. To women, commitment from a high value man is the prize; ergo they believe their own "commitment" to a man is the prize that he will value.
Women think their forgoing sex or relationships with other men, and cooking and cleaning for a man is commitment. Living with him long term is commitment. Standing in front of her family and his at a wedding ceremony is "commitment". No. The highest level of commitment a woman makes to a man is conceiving, gestating, and bearing his children. Allowing him to fertilize her body, get her pregnant, carrying his children, and then giving birth to them. Any woman who bears the child of a man has made the highest, greatest commitment she's capable of making to him.
Women just don't understand that to men, access to women's bodies for sex is the prize. That's what we want. That's what we're here for. Because a woman having sex with a man, literally admitting him into her body, is the highest and best accolade and acceptance a woman can show a man.
a-corsican-pimp 3y ago
Because they're retarded.
RedDeAngelo 3y ago
its so you dont think theyre a slut, they know deep down, being perceived as slutty lowers their market value for relationships.
Its just another way to con men.
wellimout 3y ago
It's not that they think they're doing you a favor. It's that they don't find you sexually attractive.
RoleplayPete 3y ago
I dont even think it's that. They are still just "keeping their options open"
Its a matter of "if this guy of (x) quality is still genuinely interested. I have to see if I can get (y) before I commit to (x)"
thestructuralguy 3y ago
God this comment is so good
Aldabruzzo No busted Pillsbury biscuit cans 3y ago
I wish I could gild this.
ButMessiDeservedIt 3y ago
Well put.
maruadventurer 3y ago
What girly poo does not understand are two facts:
First she probably saw him at an event, dance floor, etc. WITH another Hottie, 11 on a 10 scale. That is ok for her as it confirms his Alpha status. She does not factor in that he is a player and HE KNOWS IT. Nor does she realize he would most likely rate her a 8. He'll bang at first chance then ghost.
BluepillProfessor 3y ago
Except the higgs boson is everywhere!
Chad is not.
LightFTL 3y ago
The Higgs Bosun was already discovered recently via Large Haydron Collider. Dunno if I spelled it right.
What she’s looking for doesn’t exist. That .25% of men don’t settle. They just marry and divorce ad nauseum.
geo_gan 3y ago
Poor oul Joe. Dear oh dear.
maruadventurer 3y ago
Well true till Ole Joe hones his skills to the point he is the top 5 player at XGames in Halo drawing 6 figures and endorsement deals. Then the woman will pounce. Keep Joe for the income and pound McRich for the pleasure if she can land him.
rob_chalmette 3y ago
In the old days, Joe would find somebody. She might not be the hottest, but his needs would be taken care of. That’s the effect of the social safety net
geo_gan 3y ago
True
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jihocech 3y ago
And this is what the red pill is about.
Traksimuss 3y ago
You have a lot to learn. Woman decides in first 2 minutes if she wants passionate sex with you, or will "take things slowly", aka feed me and pay attention to me for 6 months for starfish sex.
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Unfigured 3y ago
You have no idea what a ridiculous cliche it is around these parts to accuse redpill men who are aware of female nature of being bitter incels. Here are some others for you to trot out like the iconoclast you are: Not All Women Are Like That, You Must Be Gay, I Bet You Live In Your Mom's Basement, Who Hurt You?
You're probably just a woman though. Nobody expects originality from women because they're valued by society whether original or not. Just because. And going with the consensus is evolutionarily selected for in women due to their dependence on the group and need for its acceptance. There's no evolutionary benefit for them in standing out from the group. Whereas men need to stand out from the group in order to distinguish themselves from rivals and gain reproductive access. Only about 40% of men ever reproduced (and that number is going down sharply right now), whereas well over 80% of women did. So men take risks and are willing to go against the consensus to seize opportunities.
Redpill communities are pretty much the only place left where women and mating are studied in a scientific way. By which I mean the emphasis is on empiricism, parsimony, repeatability etc. The scientific method. They care about what works. And it does work. The academic fields which should study human mating instincts have been overrun by feminism and cannot ascertain the truth any longer given their assumptions. Which is exactly the way feminism wants it. Because the truth about female nature is offensive to women. And to most men.
RRFdev 3y ago
Clown world dating:
He's special, he's the one love in my life -> No sex, no affection, no return calls, no bonding, no marriage.
He's just some rando scumbag on Tinder -> Do you host?
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yeah thats fucked up actually. if I like someone, i want to fuck them.
Aldabruzzo No busted Pillsbury biscuit cans 3y ago
Just going to post this up here and sticky it for a while.
A couple of people here said "but it doesn't say she HASN'T had sex with him. She just said she didn't want to rush into anything emotionally. She didn't say she hasn't had sex with him."
People, people, people.
Sigh.
Read between the lines.
Whenever a woman wants to wait for sex with a man, it's because she isn't really all that into him and she's sizing him up for commitment.
Whenever a woman says she doesn't "want to rush into anything" and variations on that, as here ("don't want us to rush into things emotionally"), that means she is sizing the man up for commitment. She has judged him a beta bux. Beta bux guys don't get sex without offering, at the very, very least, SOME indicia of commitment.
It might or might not mean sexual attraction is there. But most of the time, attraction isn't there. That's because if sexual attraction WERE there, she'd just go ahead and fuck him even if she is also wanting commitment. There are no downsides at all to having sex. There's no reason to hesitate anymore... EXCEPT when sexual attraction is lacking or when you're being fitted for the plow harness she intends to yoke on you.
When a woman is sexually attracted to you, she doesn't hesitate. She doesn't hem and haw. She doesn't engage in internal dialogue weighing pros and cons. She will respond favorably to your advances. She will EXPECT you to make sexual advances or innuendo very rapidly, like within 15 minutes of meeting. She will EXPECT you to sexualize things immediately. Shit, she'll be offended and insulted and wonder aloud about your sexual orientation if you DON'T make a move. Women don't make you guess about how they feel about you. If she wants to fuck, she'll just fuck.
No downsides to sex anymore for women. Pregnancy? She's been sterilized or on artificial birth control. STIs?
Except herpes, they can all be avoided with condoms or cured with antibiotics. Anything you catch that can't be cured can be pharmaceutically managed to the point of asymptomaticity. Slut shaming? Hah. A thing of the past. No one cares if she sleeps with a guy in 2 hours or 2 months. even the guy she's fucking won't care. If she's valuable enough and nice enough and brings enough to the table, her fucking him early on is a bonus. I hear constantly at PPD and other places that no one ever asks women about their pasts, that men are not ALLOWED to ask a woman about her past, and that men don't believe what women say about their pasts anyway. Women lie about their pasts anyway, so there's not a lot of point in asking them.
So, gents: if she's making you wait, she's not attracted to you and she's got you shoehorned into the beta bux role. Eject eject eject.
Here's what she'll say, the "JUST DON'T" or "JUST NOT" statements"
"I just don't want to rush into anything"
"I just don't want to make any rash decisions"
"I'm just not sure yet"
"It just doesn't feel right yet"
"I just don't want to get serious"
"i just don't want to invest myself and then get hurt"
LightFTL 3y ago
“If she's making you wait, she's not attracted to you and she's got you shoehorned into the beta bux role. Eject eject eject.” Eh, I’d rather not seek sex before commitment personally. Live up to your own values. If you wanr a woman to not sleep around then don’t do it yourself either.
mustangfrank 3y ago
Sir There is a woman named goldeean who is writing back and forth with me at this post. I am not getting through to her. Your insight and writing skills exceed mine. Thus, can you perform an analysis of her thoughts, statements and logic? If Mr. Jr. Hamster is out there, please join in. She makes no sense to me.
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Aldabruzzo No busted Pillsbury biscuit cans 3y ago
Who hurt you???
binkerfluid 3y ago
yup if they like you they throw themselves at you
corbayz 3y ago
“Fitted for the plow harness she intends to yoke on you” lmfao amazing analogy
mustangfrank 3y ago
The words of a God.
RKO2685 3y ago
This 100%
The difference is night and day.
When a woman wants you vs not but wants that buxs.
I think lots of dudes buy the bs because they never had a woman legit want their dick with no buxs or effort.
Having that even once from a girl makes you see the games women play with men.
First time I had a girl want my dick bad
I was being respectful not making a move cause its our first date and I had little experience.
30 min in shes sitting next to me.
She looked at me confused asf and said
so you dont like me, oh shit are you gay?
No way I just wanted to be respectful on our first date.
She gives me a look gets on her knees pulls out my cock sucks and fucked me with a passion like she had something to prove.
Granted I got lucky.
Moral of the story women love sex as much as men and won't hesitate if they legit want you.
But are willing to use the possibility of fucking her as a tool to get stuff from men.
27KHHV 3y ago
Two words:
THANK YOU!
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
Spot on. I'd planned to pin something similar after work yesterday, but RL got in the way.
This part is especially important:
The opposite side to that coin: if she truly wants you, she will be willing, no, hopeful to fuck as soon as possible. She might even initiate if you're hesitating. She will be disappointed if you don't fuck her, whatever the reason (hesitation, in a committed relationship and refuse to cheat, whatever).
The difference is like night and day.
Mathiya 3y ago
I had a ONS with a girl one time & when she gave me a blow job she got angry at me for not coming in her mouth.
ButMessiDeservedIt 3y ago
Wow. Spot fucking on.
mustangfrank 3y ago
I agree, she has rated you as a Beta Plow Horse Provider, and not only that but is developing control over you that will increase as the relationship gets longer.
polakfury 3y ago
What happens if you get a lady having lots of sex but saying this at the 2 month portion?
SoloTheFord 3y ago
Ive actually been there a few times. She "liked me" but didn't want to rush things, yet i found out later the whole time we dated she had a fwb who she fucked on the regular. I think the majority of time when some women use this excuse it is more of a control thing or She likes the extra attention she is getting from you. yes she isnt really sure of you or in to you in that case. Its a pretty awful feeling when someone takes advantage of you in this way, i cut ties with her after finding out she was playing me. iearned my lesson after that. Not all women are like this though some legit want to wait, hell i will often wait until i get to know a girl better before i do anything physical only because ive learned that being able to trust someone you want to date or be in a relationship with is very important. Also to make sure she isnt fucking 3 other guys at once trying to pick who has better looks more money or whatever else. Women and people that do this shit i avoid like the plague.
Sintar07 3y ago
Oof, been there :( long time ago a girl acted interested in me but said she "needed one relationship in her life that wasn't about sex." Good, caring man that I was at the time I bought that line. Took me far too long to have the epiphany that if every other relationship was just about sex then I was being actively snubbed for doing my absolute best for her in every way while other guys had just shown up and gotten what they wanted for no work whatsoever. Tried to talk to her about it a few times. Got the lines about how important my emotional support was, blah blah blah. Took me even longer to circle back around in my head and realize how bullshit that sounded too.'
mustangfrank 3y ago
The good thing is you learned and moved forward, from a Blue Pill to a Red Pill. It took me longer than I want to admit before I took the Red Pill. I look back at my Blue Pill days and wonder how stupid I could have been? But there was no WAATGM, no TRP, no MGTOW, no manoshere, no ReturnofKings, there was nothing that I could go to and learn female behavior. I had some parts of the puzzle figured out, but not near enough.
Aldabruzzo No busted Pillsbury biscuit cans 3y ago
people elsewhere will tell you
"You should have just figured it out! You should have looked and watched and paid attention! Why couldn't you SEE what was CLEARLY going on around you??! Couldn't you SEE who the girls liked? Weren't you LISTENING?? Don't you KNOW that EVERYONE lies??"
To which I can only say
"Yeah. I watched. I listened, I paid attention. And then I was carefully steered away from it, told not to pay attention to them, told that if I did i would ruin my life, and then told that everyone else was lying to me. Why wouldn't I believe people I loved, telling me what was going on? Why wouldn't I believe people who were older than me who had a frame of reference for it? I had no frame of reference, no experience, no knowledge, and no first hand observation before. So why would i not believe people who i loved and trusted telling me what was going on?"
tosernameschescksout 3y ago
I've seen plenty of times when a woman would refuse to have sex with a man that she wanted because she wanted to know it's a serious relationship.
Then they have the, "I want to, but" conversation with their girlfriends.
They can have non-serious any time, with any one, drop of a hat. All they have to do is drop their panties and it's on.
But the only way she can know that a guy will be committed and will be serious is to do the opposite and see if he sticks around without sex. She won't be a sexual conquest, but an emotional one. However, they sometimes do this for too long and lose the guy by acting too prudish. It's honestly not a very good strategy, especially if the guy is wise to the game. He will resent her for giving sex to everybody else, BUT not him.
Aldabruzzo No busted Pillsbury biscuit cans 3y ago
I'm sorry you got downvoted, dude. you bring up a good point, and one that's difficult to address. I want to do a post on this, I think. It's a difficult situation to address for men. Extremely difficult.
And it's tough for women. This is one of the cardinal difficulties for women in this SMP/MMP - she's got a guy she's sexually attracted to AND is relationship material. Sleep with him too fast, he'll think you're a slut and pump and dump you (which he could do). Make him wait too long, he'll get tired of waiting and move on (and he could easily do that too). That's women's problem though. First, women brought this on themselves by demanding a deregulated sexual marketplace where sex and commitment are decoupled and neither is required for the other. Second, I don't care about helping women thread that needle. I care about helping men get what they want from women and showing them how to protect themselves from toxic women who feign being "high value".
Because that's what she COULD be . She might be sexually atracted to him but also want him for a relationship and therefore wants to wait so as to demonstrate "high value". But, she could also be using him, sizing him up for commitment, and fitting him for a plow harness while feigning attraction to him. And very often, those two things look EXACTLY the same. There's no good way for him to tell, at least not early on. And no man should take a chance on that. For all the reasons expressed in this post and the comments, no man should roll the dice on a woman who's making him wait. The stakes are too high, the risks are too great, and the rewards are too paltry.
This would have been OK for a man to endure 50, 60, 70 years ago. Not today. This is 21st century America, not 1960s Pleasantville. No man in this SMP/MMP should take a chance on a woman who's making him wait, thinking that maybe she's high value. She might be "high value", she might not be. But the point is when the man is getting what he wants. As you point out, almost every woman alive has given it up fast to a hot guy. Yet, even though she gave it up to other men with no investment or commitment required, she will make this guy wait, despite her sexual attraction.
Actions speak louder than words. When it comes to sex and relationships with men, a woman is not what she says she is, or what others says she is. A woman is not necessarily what she represents herself to be to men, or to a particular man. She is what she does, and has done. She is the sum total of her past and present conduct. (Rest assured that women are evaluating men the same way: He isn't what he says he is or claims to be. He is what he does, and what he has done. Actions speak louder than words.) Plus, when a woman is sexually attracted to a man, she'll usually have sex with him with or without commitment, because there are no longer any downsides to commitment-free sex.
No man worth a shit is going to put up with that, without serving his own interests. If he does, he'll be fucking other girls while she makes him wait, and she should expect that.
Here are my thoughts on how a guy can deal with this.
--while he's dating her, he should go fuck other girls, and not tell her. If she asks, he should lie.
--he can look for signs of her sexual attraction, while he's also fucking other girls (and not telling her).
--he sets an internal time limit by which they will have sex. He does not inform her of it. Just put her on a confidential sex deadline. If sex hasn't happened by the deadline, he cuts her loose. He can set whatever deadline he wants. Again, he should be actively having sex with and seeking sex with other women while the clock ticks down.
--if she makes the deadline and they start having sex, he should keep having sex with other women and living his life the way he wants until he is satisfied that she is who she claims to be; that she's on the up and up; that sexual attraction is present, strong and sustained, and that he is getting from her what he wants, needs and expects. And if necessary, he should lie to her about having sex with other women while starting a sexual relationship with her.
Most men can't do this though. Most men can't tell when they're being played. Most men cannot tell the difference between a high value woman who's attracted but wants to make sure he'll stick around; and a low value ex carouseler who's feigning high value and attraction while evaluating him for beta provider potential. Hopefully, the readership here can, but most men cannot. Most men aren't attractive enough or savvy enough to keep it going with a girl who's making him wait while at the same time fucking other girls, openly or on the QT.
where_muh_good_mens 3y ago
This is the real problem with this strategy. Only the top 10-15% of men can put in the minimal effort required to fuck other girls. For most men, the amount of time and resources needed to even keep girl interested in him isn't worth it, and assuredly multiple women would be a chore.
My advice is to be indifferent. Don't chase. Don't ask any girls out. Don't advance. Put in the effort to learn how women work and that's it. Young men have their entire lives to play the mating dance, but at a young age they are not ready and will be easily deceived. They aren't high enough value to exchange with a womans unfettered access to her pussy creamsicle and they aren't attractive enough to get it for free, so there is no point to advising anything but working on themselves and entertaining the idea only to learn how their deceptions work.
I also fundamentally disagree with lying to any women in this day and age (besides my Christian roots that prevent me from doing so). They will feel scorned and will take it out on him in the form of false accusations and destroying his reputation.
Aldabruzzo No busted Pillsbury biscuit cans 3y ago
WMGM:
You might be right, but everyone lies. Girls are lying to guys all the time about this stuff. I say, turn the tables on them and lie to them. All's fair in love and war, and this is both now.
It's really tough for guys to learn about girls if they're not asking out any girls or making advances. It's one thing to read about it here. It's another thing for them to do it. The map isn't the territory.
Yeah, lying to women carries risks of false accusations and reputation injury. But so does being truthful. Even honest, above board interactions with women carry that risk. Even wives we've been married to for a couple of decades carry that risk. Any interactions with women carry that risk now.
where_muh_good_mens 3y ago
Yeah, it's tough out there. I was fortunate to enter the market before shit went to hell. I was able to learn how women are during a time that witch-hunting and masculine toxicity weren't even spoken. I honestly don't know what I would do now or how I would approach this current environment, only that there is a real threat that exists and there are safe ways to overcome that threat (abstaining) and a high level of effort to mitigate it (lying and not getting caught).
It's true that you cannot learn the land by reading a map, but maybe the land is just barren and men should seek out an oasis somewhere for themselves instead. Whether their hormones will even let them do that is another story entirely. The younger generation looks at me like a deer in headlights when I talk about this 'land' they must navigate. There are just too many wolves in sheeps clothing and they all think they are better navigators than I must be. That is where my disgruntled stance probably comes from.
Aldabruzzo No busted Pillsbury biscuit cans 3y ago
I need to do a post on this. Two main problems women have in the SMP/MMP:
1) Can attract attractive men for sex but not for commitment
2) Gets an attractive man who's relationship material for her and has to calibrate when to put out so as not to seem too slutty or too prudish
And the issues they cause for men.
The point is how those two conundrums affect men and the pitfalls they present to men and how men can avoid them. For some the answer will be "avoid women entirely". For others the answers are more complex.
where_muh_good_mens 3y ago
The third less discussed problem is that women feel entitled to a mans resources because the state will grant them to her if he doesn't give them up willingly. If she doesn't find a husband early, she can get a job that needs to fill an 'anti-discriminatory quota'. If she doesn't find a husband later, she can have a child and the state will pay for her to stay at home with that bastard child.
I agree that there is not a one-size-fits-all solution and I think you are on the right side of coming up with some resolution. My issue revolves around avoiding a hypocritical stance. If we say, "lie to women" and then claim that women are lying to men and that deception hurts men, then I think we are giving mixed messages to those men. For those that want to take the complex route, they have TRP. For those that want the safe route, they have MGTOW. I don't see us taking a side or delivering wisdom in those areas as necessary or productive. Men aren't supposed to come here with the intent to learn all they can from us. They are supposed to come here to awaken to the perils that modern women will make for them, and then decide for themselves in their woke state on how to proceed. From there, those two resources are more than plentiful to deliver the complex entanglement of dealing with them or the mental exercise to avoiding them completely.
Aldabruzzo No busted Pillsbury biscuit cans 3y ago
OK. Sounds good to me.
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Aldabruzzo No busted Pillsbury biscuit cans 3y ago
disagree. We're talking about sex, and relationships, in 21st century America. No, sex isn't the only aspect of a relationship. But this is a woman who is divorced and has had a lot of casual flings. In other words, she went back out to the carousel, and now wants a Steady Eddie, Mr. Stable Predictable Employed Guy. So she will make him wait.
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
Do you not actually read the comments on such posts?
It's not that a woman has preferences; it's when the preferences are ridiculously out of her reach, and/or mutually exclusive traits, and/or cliched NPC phrases, and/or obviously bitching about the kind of guys she used to fuck.
27KHHV 3y ago
Sorry to say, but she's already proven with the "casual flings" comment that she's a HOE.
A good woman would never do that. In fact a good woman would not divorce in the first place, and a GOOD woman would pick a man to wife her up more wisely.
No amount of hamster bullshitting is going to cover up for her.
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NickTesla2018 3y ago
Classic. Make the simp wait while riding the baloney pony with Chad / Tyrone. I wonder how many dinners the simp needs to pay for?
I don't date any more. Problem solved.
Buchwild 3y ago
Ban that comment for hate speech, how dare he be honest
g3r4l7zR1v11 3y ago
Sumfuc 3y ago
The only tingles she gets from this guy is his wallet. Which she has tremendous affection for. Him...not so much.
chalulin 3y ago
So she's saving up her 90th virginity for this poor shmuck.
Its_Me_Dio 3y ago
They want to take it slow with the guy they like cause "They don't want to seem like a Hoe or seem like they're easy" cause they think it will make them look lesser in the eyes of the guy. Its a lie! Its manipulation! Cause you literally are a hoe who casually sleeps with other guys and you don't want the good guy to know. They are so caught up with themselves and their own needs that they don't even realise how their punishing the good guy and how backwards their thinking is.
p3ngwin WAATGM Endorsed 3y ago
ah so when she wants to make progress, but if the guy doesn't want to go as fast he's "playing games" ..
... but when the other guy is not playing games and "interested" in making progress he's "too ready to jump into something serious" and she wants to slow down.
Fucking Goldilocks over here o.O
Old_snowboarder 3y ago
'Taking it slowly' but doesn't want to play games? Isn't taking it slowly a game? Woman isn't that good at joined up thinking is she?
MortemLuna 3y ago
can you circle the comment i can't see it
Mathiya 3y ago
Sex is the only leverage she has on this nice guy, if she gives it up then what's left to take things slow for?
tyrantgrey 3y ago
The special is the only one not getting sex. And when he waits around like a good boy, this manipulative whore will realize she can do absolutely anything to him and he will never complain.
So, obviously, she will eventually run into a chad, and give him sex immediately. And then this guy will be all, “buh buh buh, i thought if i obeyed all your rules, I’d be the only one you do that with.”
AND THEN, She will come around with, “oh I’m polyamorous,” or “cuckolding is the fetish for the intelligent.”
Only stupid people fall for women’s lies. And the only truthful women out there today, are dead.
BluepillProfessor 3y ago
Nah, if they wrote or recorded something they continue to lie even after death!
mysterywaffle 3y ago
Wait so I’ve seen this one before. She doesn’t want him to think she’s a slut for putting out too quick but she’ll give up to anyone else without any second thought.
Sensei_Hensei 3y ago
af bb
roughback 3y ago
reminds me of megan good
https://nypost.com/2016/01/28/why-meagan-good-became-a-born-again-virgin/
askmrcia 3y ago
Lol she was always full of it. I remember when she said she would refuse to play any role that "objectives" women due to her being a Christian and every single role she plays is her wearing seductive clothing and sleeping with dudes.
Obviously she said it to try and live up to her role model image.
isthisthelasttime34 3y ago
The worst part is she will continue to string along the good guy and not have the relationship formally defined as a way to continue still being able to hook up with more casual people. And then she'll turn around and say they were never officially together so it wasn't cheating.
MaloSapien 3y ago
Had an Ex like that ... gotta boot those ones far away
NegativeCollision 3y ago
What’s special about this guy is that he’s lacking somewhere in the following criteria
•Looks •Money •Status/Social
sleepyweaselisawake Plowing his way through muck while misquoting Office Space 3y ago
I saw this earlier! You beat me to it.
g3r4l7zR1v11 3y ago
this sub made me open my eyes how this stuff work :)
sleepyweaselisawake Plowing his way through muck while misquoting Office Space 3y ago
If you haven't browed The Red Pill yet, I urge you to do so. And, welcome to freedom, brother. We're glad you're here.
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
Can you not read between the lines?
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
Married for 15 years. Fuck off with the "incel" accusations.
Don't like the sub? Leave.
Here, I'll help you with that, retard.
AQ90 3y ago
What a chad mod, +1