This is your daily reminder that if you're single, never get married. For those of you married, I truly pray for you.
Have fun with this thread boys. Read the parent comments and analyze why marriage is suicide and why you can't trust women.
Here are some choice comments:
My aunt has been divorced for quite some time. She drives her attorney crazy with her requests/demands. Most recently she took her husband to court over: 1) He switched the beneficiary of his life insurance policy from her (the ex-wife) to their children. 2) She wants court ordered drug tests weekly. (She found out from her friend who works at a pharmacy that he has had quite a few narcotic prescriptions, but obviously can't enter that into evidence, or friend will be fired). 3) Wants to know the days he's working and locations, so she can have her Private Investigator keep an eye out and make sure the new girlfriend isn't joining him at hotels he's charging on his work card.
At some point -- she just needs to let it go and move on. She got the house (and the house payments), the kids, the boat, and the marriot points. He doesn't pay alimony or child support, so it seems like it worked out well.
This bitch wants the entire world. It doesn't matter that she already has custody over the children, the house, and a boat for crying out load, she is stalking the man and actively trying to sabotage the man's life with his new GF. Sure, this is an example of "don't stick your dick in crazy," but what BP men and some of you newbies don't realize is that women change in a relationship. That angelic virgin priestess saint you were head over heels for in your college days? 1 decade from now she's going to become that level of crazy. Very few women are quality material that have the willpower to not fuck you over in the courts.
Not a lawyer, but as a courthouse clerk, I had a court order come across my desk that explicitly banned a father from playing Minecraft with his son over the internet because the ex-wife alleged that the in game chat was a form of improper contact that wasn't outlined in their custody/visitation plan.
This woman is so vindictive she doesn't even want her son and her son's father playing minecraft. For godsakes the man isn't taking the kid skydiving or doing anything dangerous; he simply wants to play a videogame with him. But that would mean that the kid and the father are having fun, which is a big no-no for women.
The final, and most eye-opening comment I want to comment on is this:
I wouldn't recommend it, but one of the best ways to stick it to your ex and to skip most of fallout is to die during the legal battle.
In this case the couple orally was declared divorced, but before the official paperwork is finalized the husband dies. So what does the court do?
Well it takes the courts 2 years to sort out how this should be handled, and then the court says that the divorce proceedings must continue with somebody to represent the husband's interests.
So now the wife has to divide everything 50/50 with a dead man. If he had died 2 weeks sooner she would have avoided years of court hearings, thousands in legal fees, and kept everything for herself.
I hope you're reading this the same way I am. The bitch will get more if you're alive. The only way for there to be a fair 50/50 split is if you fucking kill yourself. This is how bad the divorce courts have gotten for men. Women have an INCREDIBLE advantage. If you need ANY MORE convincing to not get married, please, read this thread which is currently on the front page of TRP.

NiftyDolphin 10y ago
Women view men in two lights: service or entertainment.
This woman's ex is pure entertainment to her. It's pure malice, but it's entertainment. That is why she has such a laser-like focus on him, even divorced he still provides her with feels and she doesn't want to give that up.
Edit: I just read the rest:
I have money that she's running some serious PAS on the son. Taking to his father on a daily basis would mitigate the narrative she's tryng so desperately to create.
SunshineBlotters 10y ago
Now this is a RP response
No one with options would even touch these hoes. Men you need to be in the top 10%
OMG the patriarchy is so oppressive. In the name of equality she can take frequent trips to mexico with her ex husbands money and draw out the proceedings.
Primemale 10y ago
WOW that thread you linked with the guy getting financially raped by his ex wife WOW.
Seriously guys, I live somewhere in Europe where the legal courts are pretty similar, in that they are heavily in favour of women, although america seems to be the worst, But isn't there a way to circumvent this bullshit? I find one can pretty much get away with anything if you are clever. I mean killing his wife sounds fair from the story but aside from that, there has to come a point where a man stands up and just says FUCK YOU, whether its to his wife, the courts, whoever, I would NEVER stand for this shit. Collect all your resources and move abroad if you have to, that guys life sounds miserable.
Goomich 10y ago
Oh FFS, I'm trying here to overcome my approach anxiety!
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Reference my post history. I'm not like most of these doomsday faggots who let fear of women control their lives (relevant to approach anxiety as well as aversion to marriage).
Overkillengine 10y ago
Nah. They just don't bother to hide their true nature anymore once they think they have enough hooks in.
Aerobus 10y ago
Sadly, your revision is actually more correct. Women are innately Machiavellian, rude, entitled, and ungrateful.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
Ask me in 20 years as I am engaged to a Chinese woman.
Aerobus 10y ago
You are disagreeing with what I say which is fine, but instead of providing a counterargument you are using your own, singular life experience to try and discredit me.
If you want to roll the dice that's fine, but the fact that you think that because you are with a Chinese woman means you are safe indicates a lack of belief in AWALT.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
Given a western divorce rate of 50% means that AWALT doesn't hold at least 50% of the time.
Studies indicate that the Chinese divorce rate is far lower than that.
This isn't my singular life experience (which I WILL roll the dice on) but it is some sociological facts from about 2 billion people.
Aerobus 10y ago
AWALT doesn't mean All women will divorce you and leave you helpless. It means all women have the capacity to do so. All women are like that, not all women do that.
My comment about AWALT is that your comment about a Chinese woman seems to me like you believe that because she's Chinese you're protecting yourself. If she's raised properly then yes it's better than a liberal slut, but AWALT still applies and you have the possibility of being divorced still.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
Science has proven that a proton has the capacity to spontaneously disintegrate. Great science but useless for practical purposes.
I know the risks, I have managed them, and I accept them. If this was a business plan, no financial advisor could fault me on it.
Aerobus 10y ago
Well then I applaud your decision. It's better to know what you're getting into and be sure of yourself than walk in blind. Good luck, and for your sake, I hope you never have to experience divorce.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
Thanks for the kind words. As a lawyer I went through about 50 divorces so one more won't kill me if it comes to that. If it does then I will buy you a drink in Cebu and we can go fuck LBFMs together.
disposable_pants 10y ago
This is the most important part. Even if unicorns exist, and even if you did find one, you have no idea who she'll be a decade from now. You're betting your life on her continuing to be a good person even when she has no incentive to do so.
favours_of_the_moon 10y ago
They get SPECIAL TINGLES when they hurt you. It's not just shit testing. Once they hit the wall and know they've lost "it," they want the entire world to PAY.
Think of the courts as a giant WHITE KNIGHT who profits everytime your psycho ex acts spiteful.
Aerobus 10y ago
Pay for what? The special and superior treatment they received up until this point in their lives? The entitlement of women sickens me.
skoobled 10y ago
Past actions are MOOT. Only now matters
Aerobus 10y ago
You honestly think it doesn't matter that a woman fucked the baseball team in her youth and has now changed? Past actions are an indicator of future behavior.
unassumingusername7 10y ago
I think he's saying that in a woman's mind their past special treatment doesn't matter, which is part of Briffault's law.
skoobled 10y ago
Yes, I was being sarcastic. But this is how they feel - your positive past actions mean nothing, her negative past actions also...
Needless to say your negative past actions mean everything, as do any of her past positive actions.
In other words, quit thinking logic and reason factor into the equation
CowardlyPetrov 10y ago
If you are thinking about killing yourself, why not kill someone else instead?
Honestly, the collapse of society is coming. And in that lots of innocent people would die. I much rather read about people deserving to die being killed in retaliation for trying to destroy other people than seeing innocent people suffer now and what I know I will have to see in the future.
But the trouble is, men really are nice guys. If only feminists were right! I wish they were right. If feminists were right about men then feminism wouldn't exist because men would just destroy it and anything else stupid that resembled it.
Chinny4daWinny 10y ago
I wish this was higher up. Society is just screwing itself and I'm hoping to get through college before any major crazy shit happens. They're already making up take 2hr+ online courses on how sexual assault is NEVER the victims fault.
Who knows how much feminism will screw up in the years to come?
BlaiseDB 10y ago
My colleague had a divorce client, a woman. Hubby came to the house, knifed her to death, set fire to the place and then hanged himself.
Our firm had to fight the insurance company to pay out the kids half on the value of the home.
That shit is not red pill; nobody who calls themselves "a man" would ever do that shit and nobody should defend it. Explain it, perhaps, but don't defend it or advocate for it.
CowardlyPetrov 10y ago
It doesn't matter what a man says in anger on the internet. That man didn't do it because I told him to. He either did it because he was crazy or under extreme duress.
I didn't make this shit. I bitched, hyperbolically, about it on the internet.
cariboo_j 10y ago
Running off to some 3rd world country and living off the grid would have been a better option.
[deleted] 10y ago
Did some reading in the thread. How come OP did not post about how a court agreed that a woman was a whore with the ex husband? Hilarious read.
raceAround126 10y ago
Yep. Fully agree.
I broke with my ex 18 months ago roughly. She cost me every friend I had, she made it so I don't speak to my Mother anymore.
I broke it off and put the flat up for sale; she told some bullshit to my friends and every one of them took her side immediately. The first I found out was friends texting me that I was an asshole and that sort of thing. Some of these guys I'd known for 20 years or so.
My Mother did not agree with our breakup and pretty much told me I'd ruined my life. My ex had made out that it was a complete surprise and she had done everything as right as possible and it was out of nowhere. I even resorted to telling my Mother that she was abusive, dead bedroom etc. She went nuts.
I pretty much had to move area to get away from her. We used to live in a small town, everyone knows everyone. Shit, even some lady I'd never even met before at the dry cleaner knew about us splitting up. It did my fucking head in.
Moved, cut contact with one and all, no regrets.
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Been there before.. Once they realize they don't get any money they do what they can to make you hate them
raceAround126 10y ago
I think it's more she wanted everyone to hate me.
I didn't give a shit, nothing in the world was better than moving to somewhere bigger.
Doctor_Mayhem 10y ago
I have always said that misery is a natural state for women. If a woman is not sufficiently in a state of dread and a small bit of misery where she is at least a little bit insecure about her future, she will not know what to do with herself. A woman is incapable of happiness, for when a woman has everything she should want or need, then the first thing she will do is make her husband or boyfriend as miserable as she can so that she can fill the empty void in her soul.
Basically, a woman is only happy when someone is miserable, herself or her lover.
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All women are a little crazy, it just depends on How crazy. My dad once taught me, a way to find out is to meet her mom. He was right, I would meet anywhere from single cat collectors, to good family oriented home makers. The daughter's always ended up behaving like their mom. If I like the mom, its easy to love the girl. And if there's a dad in the house, that's even better. Unless he's a supplicating beta. If dad's beta, leave and don't look back.
Doctor_Mayhem 10y ago
That's the biggest truth ever and what my dad taught me as well. He's got such a good relationship with his mother-in-law, that when his mother died last year, his mother-in-law pretty much took over. Needless to say, my parents are still married after... fuck... I lost count. 30+ years.
TitsAndWhiskey 10y ago
My ex wife thought she should have the kids full time, the house (which I should pay for), and whatever was left over from my paycheck. Essentially, she thought divorce meant I should just disappear from her life with ZERO changes, except for the free child care she had every night when she went out with "friends."
And she was angry that she didn't get all that. She was genuinely pissed off, and remains so years later, that she didn't get literally everything.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
Too many women want that: all your money, assets and income in perpetuity without you in their lives or even in the lives of the children. It's not realistic and courts are coming around to call bullshit on this.
When I was a lawyer I spent a lot of time in court and such but I spent far too much time educating my clients on the economic and social implications of what they were feeling. I spent far to much time managing "feelings" rather than any substantive legal question at hand.
I got out of the game because "don't be a cunt" was ultimately bad legal advice in too many cases.
Aerobus 10y ago
Women have that this crazy idea that while they are married to you, whatever you earn through hard work and discipline is somehow what they earned. Because they have a vagina and were in your presence, and because they have smaller brains, they genuinely, truly believe they earned whatever you earned.
Don't question women logic.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
If you want a fuck toy then get a prostitute or keep the bitch at arms length.
If you are up-and-coming and she cooks and cleans for you when she is not sucking your cock or perhaps doing your shopping or laundry or whatever, then suck it up: if it doesn't work out then she deserves half and that is all on you.
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TitsAndWhiskey 10y ago
Yeah. I conceded more than I had to to get more time with my kids. I don't regret it.
She does, because she's a greedy cunt, and short-sighted. But that's any given woman.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
Too many women want that: all your money, assets and income in perpetuity without you in their lives or even in the lives of the children. It's not realistic and courts are coming around to call bullshit on this.
When I was a lawyer I spent a lot of time in court and such but I spent far too much time educating my clients on the economic and social implications of what they were feeling. I spent far to much time managing "feelings" rather than any substantive legal question at hand.
I got out of the game because "don't be a cunt" was ultimately bad legal advice in too many cases.
TitsAndWhiskey 10y ago
As a matter of fact, my observations have led me to believe that the more of a cunt you are, the more free stuff you get.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
Sad but true. I went into a contested divorce and did a bit of research on the lawyer representing my opposing mom. One lawyer said about the other: "She is a complete cunt, her clients love her." That's what passes for justice these days.
1independentmale 10y ago
Exactly this. It's what they all want. They can't seem to understand that a man's resources comes with that man attached. You can't just dump him and expect continued access to his wealth. Unfortunately, our supposed "justice" system gives them exactly that, which is why I'll never marry again. If my girlfriend and I break up, I keep what's mine and she keeps what's hers. The cushy upper middle class lifestyle I work so hard to provide stays with me, which is as it should be.
My ex wife sued me for several times my entire net worth during the divorce. All of her friends told her I was rich as fuck and surely there must be all of this money somewhere, so she showed up with an attorney demanding the sun, the moon and the stars. She didn't get it, of course... Can't give her what I don't have. But she did walk with 2/3rds of everything I did have. Simply put it was cheaper to settle with her in mediation, even though it was an unfair and lopsided settlement, than to continue funding the outrageous legal battle she was waging. The only people who won in this entire thing were the goddamn bloodsucking vampire lawyers.
TitsAndWhiskey 10y ago
Oh god yeah. My ex was convinced I had piles of cash hidden away somewhere. The mediator looked at our budget, looked her in the eyes, and told her she was out of her mind.
Apparently that hurt her fee-fees.
1independentmale 10y ago
Haha! That's hilarious. My mediator was a former judge, well respected in the community. He told her dumb ass shark lawyer, right in front of her, that his case was incredibly weak. Her lawyer actually lost his shit, swore, yelled and tried to have the mediator thrown out of his office. Mediator said, "I've worked with him for over a decade and have never seen him behave like that." He was visibly shocked.
It was a lot of stupid drama. They had played all kinds of games with the numbers, artificially inflating the value of assets and so on, literally to the point of ridiculousness. Unfortunately for them, I'm a business savvy OCD motherfucker. I caught all that shit, armed myself with proof and laid it all out on the table in front of the mediator. He had to walk into opposing council's office and listen to all of these lies and he called them out and that's when home boy lost his goddamn mind.
After the settlement was final, they tried to sneak an unapproved clause into the settlement that would have ultimately cost me tens of thousands of dollars. My worthless lawyer didn't catch it, but I did and we threatened to sue the fuck out of them. He caved immediately, claiming it was a clerical error. As if anybody buys that shit. I really had no idea just how dirty these people played.
I felt like a boss for owning this $400 an hour shit head. The funny thing is it wasn't even that hard. Thought about going to law school and starting a practice representing men in divorces.
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My mother was addicted to spending. My dad was making $300,000 per year at the time and we were living hand to mouth because she'd buy so much shit off the internet to store in a room and never look at again. Eventually my dad got a new job which paid exponentially higher than that one. His first year he got a million dollar bonus so my mom chose to split. We were still not sure if we'd be financially stable at the time just due to things like pilling debt, the divorce, and not knowing if the paycheck would be a permanent thing.
The divorce process took a full year. She was living in an apartment funded by my dad (who wasn't even court ordered to do so) and tried to act like she wanted a relationship with me. I was 16 at the time and going through suicidal depression which I was self medicating with just shit loads upon shit load upon shit loads of hard drugs. She got me to confide in her that I'd been using. When the divorce went to court, she gave the judge everything I told her about drug usage and went after my college fund claiming that I'd probably just sell drugs there and end up in prison anyways. The judge didn't give her a cent of it but she still makes a doctor's salary without having ever graduated high school.
Amazingly, my dad doesn't understand why I don't want to get married. He's blue pill as fuck.
bluedrygrass 10y ago
But women love children, don't they? They don't. They love what childrens do for them. The emotional rollercoasters, and the benefits that being a mother gives in a society.
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BlackHeart89 10y ago
Goddamn. Thats insane. Your father sounds really book smart. I imagine your relationship with your mom is pretty much done.
Purecorrupt 10y ago
Does your dad still "love" her or something? That's crazy to me.
bourbonhipster 10y ago
your mom sounds like a true, hardened, well-vetted narcissist devoid of any empathy even for her own son.
sorry, thats really unfortunate and sadly not much you can do to rectify it.
PeteMullersKeyboard 10y ago
Holy shit, man. So glad you made it out of that alive. I can't even imagine what it must have been like to have her fuck you over like that...talk about pure evil.
kalstate 10y ago
Jesus man, I'm glad you got through that. I have a lot of dead friends (who shouldn't be dead--depression, alcoholism, other stuff), and I miss them more and more these days..
I know a guy whose wife took one of his $50k business checks, cashed it and bought a Porsche, while he was out of town. He managed to return the Porsche but not the wife who is addicted to Ebay shopping. He met her as a hard-working food service girl, and now she's just a pompous, ugly snot who walks around tall and condescending to her friends at parties they host. Her friends don't like her so much anymore, but probably more than the husband, who for some reason sticks around for the abuse. Poor BB.
nolightspared 10y ago
Remember, there is no such thing as a unicorn.
[deleted] 10y ago
Shit, that's rough. My story's got a happy ending though because the million dollar checks turned out to be a permanent thing and now I get to go to school in a major city with no upper limit on my spending.
Get at me hypergamous bitchezzzzzzzz.
[deleted] 10y ago
What's you dad do? You might want to follow in his footsteps, career-wise...
isayimnothere 10y ago
man I'd give my left leg for 250,000 grand... Literally. Like if someone wants to buy a left leg, ill let someone take a hatchet to it for 250k. Let alone a million dollars. I could put 250k in a mutual fund and add to it for about 5 or 6 years and retire... good job with everything man, keep improving and enjoy life, keep making people like me jealous haha
kalstate 10y ago
That's great man! Keep taking care of that precious brain of yours, and keep building that wealth (while you're running a train on the ladies). I wish I could go back and tweak my spending habits when I was younger. After college and grad school, I've got a great degree and career options, but right now I'm check-to-mouth, playing politics and the finance game at work--foraging and positioning for the right career moves.
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kalstate 10y ago
I'm thinking of hiring a professional recruiter--could be some great gains in the old wallet. Just have to see if I can find a career in my field that I like AND makes good money. Most of them tend to be one or the other..gotta look though. Updating resume this week.
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kalstate 10y ago
Thanks man! Looking forward to reading your future posts..
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sardinemanR 10y ago
Women are always going to be women, that hasn't been an issue for thousands of years.
The real problem is large government. That is a pretty new thing. Kings didn't give a shit about angry housewives and weren't going to expend tremendous resources to let these women walk all over men. So the women couldn't act like this.
Our current government however, it seemingly exists just to do things like this. Agencies pop up, usually filled with women, designed to extract resources from men. A court system designed to screw men over. Law enforcement designed to keep men in line as these other agencies define it.
Without the government, women are utterly powerless and they know it. They marry by 16 and then stick with their husbands, because there is no child support or alimony, and no man was going to support a woman that had other dicks inside of her. So they had to be virgins as well. Turns out the "beta BPer" wins in that arrangement, as he has the provider role and best raises children and protects her.
But in the current environment, the government fulfills that role, and forcibly extracts resources from all men in society to give to the female. So there is no incentive, actually either for the beta males or these women.
So spin plates my brothers, and don't marry, and don't worry about the BS the system pulls. It only has power over you if you let it (although of course it will still steal your productivity in the form of taxes, but in the long run that's cheaper than supporting these sluts too).
Pube_Stretcher 10y ago
Shit. Never thought of the govt like that. Damn good point.
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Aerobus 10y ago
I'd love to delta this but sadly the point system is broken.
CrazyHorseInvincible 10y ago
Awarded.
redpillschool Admin 10y ago
Now that's service!
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Demonspawn 10y ago
Yep. It's a classic moral hazard to give 55% control of suffrage to a group which only contributes 1/4 to 1/3 of the taxes.
Government went from 2-3% of GDP (1776 to 1920) to damn near 40% today. Quite simply, women are replacing fathers and husbands via government. It's Bureaugamy: marriage of women to the State.
mryddlin 10y ago
Nah, the crazy only started in the late 1970's and peaked in the mid 90's.
This whole shit storm is a construct of the baby boomers. The women in the 1800's to 1940's were pretty reasonable about their requests.
They had the asshats like we do now but they were not well liked or respected. They were focused on making g sure women could be mothers and partake in government, workforce, etc.
The push to villifiy men is new and its, surprise surprise, all coems from the ME generation.
kalstate 10y ago
Boy, that was some experiment. Thanks for fucking up the world, dad!
NickCiufi 10y ago
And for the love of God, use reliable forms of birth control.
[deleted] 10y ago
Get a vasectomy, thats reliable.
[deleted] 10y ago
Sure, we wouldn't want the smartest, most skeptical guys around passing on their good genetics..
The fertility-negative rhetoric of TRP is a liability.
kalstate 10y ago
I agree with you. Some things about this community I don't get. It sounds like you're saying "hey guys, we're intelligent people, and that's a good thing to preserve genetically", and then all of the sudden some guy from the crowd turns on you and yells stfu. I don't get this corner of the mantra either..
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Who cares. If you want it thats most reliable, if you dont stfu. And quit yo preachin.
mryddlin 10y ago
Agreed, we need to find a better solution to this problem.
IMO its the temporary vasectomy that is our best option for shifting the sexual power dynamics back to a more even footing.
Along with a push to refactor marriage into a proper contract that covers all these issues before the marriage takes place.
Child support, alimony, division if assets, what assets are divisible, etc.
All the issues TRP identifies as reasons not to get married are also the problems that need solutions.
If the MRA movement wanted to do anything, I'd recommend the idea of rebooting the marriage contract and formalizing the process before people can marry.
Hope for Victory, Plan for Defeat.
UncharminglyWitty 10y ago
Because I want what I want and what I want is to not have children. Have a few extra for me if you're worried about it.
bitches_be_crazy86 10y ago
Why downvotes?? he has a valid point
Metalgear222 10y ago
Wasn't there just a mod sticky on keep your morals to yourself?
johnnight 10y ago
It is. What is individually optimal, can be disastrous when everybody is doing.
OTOH, wanna stick it to the system and still achieve individual life goals? Expatriate to some place that is not leftist. The system never corrects itself, unless it feels the pain of negative results.
The system does not care about the pain of men. It only cares about the losses that are caused to the system from men's decisions or issues or how those issues affect the people that the system claims to care about: women and children.
Men losing jobs? No empathy for them but here's an article how this plight affects women.
[deleted] 10y ago
I'm not going to skip having kids and dead-end millions of years of genetic heritage (and an 135 IQ bloodline) just because modern women are fools for big government.
Women should be at home, having lots of kids. That's where they are happiest.
johnnight 10y ago
That's what I mean. If in society A one has to give up power over himself, has to become a slave to achieve the one most important thing in live, then fuck loyalty to that society and its rules and let's move to society B.
Society A will not care about 1 person moving out. It starts noticing when it is lacking millions, millions of taxpayers. Only then will there be some soul-searching and contemplating.
Society does not care about wronging one person or even thousands of persons. Its politics only react to macro-problems that affect society too much.
[deleted] 10y ago
Sure. I'm just not going to radically change my routine or life to try to "correct society." Frankly, I don't even believe in "society," I believe in personal freedoms, and the US has far more than most countries (especially for gun owners.)
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ThrowyMcGruder 10y ago
That's just projecting your own beliefs onto somebody else.
I have no wish to marry or to have kids, but it's the very nature of life is to wish to procreate.
To assume that somebody who wants kids is just a person who feels the need to live through them is pure ignorance.
To try to shame a man out of having the kids that he wants to have is to be comparable to the feminists who try to shame women out of being housewives when that's what they want to be.
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If your children suck you aren't raising them correctly.
My dreams include a large family and legacy, period.
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My dreams include a big yard and a trampoline. Maybe an above-ground pool.
[deleted] 10y ago
Those were my dreams when I was 19 too.
Bought a house, sold it when I was 23... then I had big career dreams. Accomplished a few of those over a decade.
Now I'm more about acreage, security, large family, hobby farming, independence.
IronMeltsinmyHands 10y ago
If even half the children figure out what their mothers did to their fathers, the world tomorrow will be more red pill than just reddit.
Women aren't just not making a good case for themselves, they're Bashar al Assad-ing themselves and their children.
This is why you never give women any power.
bluedrygrass 10y ago
"Most recently she took her husband to court over: 1) He switched the beneficiary of his life insurance policy from her (the ex-wife) to their children."
Another reminder that women don't really care about childrens, but what childrens can bring to them.
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My psychotic half sister attempted to frame her ex-husband for child molestation. She claimed he touched her, the court ordered a forensic investigation, he was completely exonerated and no evidence of any wrong doing was found.
This half sister of mine is an evil bitch, my father knew it from day one of adopting her, but she knew how to lay on the nice sweet girl veneer in order to masquerade as a normal human being and land a sucker.
Luckily said ex husband in the story made really good money (oh did I mention said half sister claims she divorced him because he 'didnt have enough time for her') from having a very good video editing gig for a major tv show. So because he was able to pull out big lawyer guns he was able to keep at least half of his shit.
Beware men, you may lose more than your possessions and assets. You may find yourself being accused of criminal actions against your own child and find you suddenly have to defend yourself from a cunt's allegations.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
The Family Court system is like Disney World for married women, and they have a perennial Annual Pass. Do not let yourselves be fooled, men. You may be married to a woman who:
But trust me, when she gets the divorce she will be the nightmare armchair paralegal from hell. When it comes to divorce law, every damn woman in the world is a certified paralegal. She will spend hours upon hours (the hours when she used to fuck you in the bedroom) Googling divorce law, trying to find 7 different ways from Sunday to fuck you as hard as the court will possibly allow her to.
Simps way to avoid it? Don't fucking marry.
RedDeadlift 10y ago
What's worse is that even if she won't or doesn't know those things on her own at first, you can bet her lawyer does. It's the lawyers job to exploit the system as much as possible to extract the most money out of the other partner.
I had a friend who's wife didn't want child support to be part of the divorce, but the lawyers demanded it. Talk about signing a contract with the state!
madnessinspades 10y ago
Joseph Sorge's documentary "Divorce Corp" covers this in detail pretty well, definitely worth a watch if you are so inclined.
1independentmale 10y ago
The state says child support is for the children. You can't opt out of it. Not even if both parents agree. At least that's what my divorce attorney told me.
While I suppose there's nothing stopping the ex wife from giving the money right back to her ex husband, in practice I doubt this has ever happened.
magus678 10y ago
You see a turbo version of this in military wives.
The military already encourages everyone to be part time bureaucrats, and the wives know as much about it as anyone.
I have been privvy to multiple round table discussions where the newlywed woman is inducted into the cardinal do's and don'ts of getting the most out of the man/government. When to have children, how long you need to stay married to get a piece of his retirement, the ways you can hurt your own claim, all of it.
It's like a coven of fucking witches that convenes every day in the neighborhood to jointly not raise your children while getting wine drunk.
pantsoffire 10y ago
I rarely hear anything positive about military wives. Still, it's a little disgusting that some will plan children around financial capitilization. Yet- not that suprising.
bluedrygrass 10y ago
And another proof that kills the old romantic theory that women loves children.
pantsoffire 10y ago
Actually, a woman's brain releases endorphins around babies and small children. Would you like to get high of your own supply?
niczar 10y ago
Please guys, I understand the sentiment, but don't take NPD psychos as example of AWALT. That doesn't explain anything. The few NPDs I've had the misfortune to meet, or whose abuse I've been made aware because it was targeted at friends and family, were of both sexes.
The expression of their abusive nature was different based on gender, obviously, but the salient point is the cluster B disorder, not hypergamy.
Incidentally knowing how to identify NPD/BPD/HPD early is a very useful skill to have. You don't want these people in your life. Trust me. You will lose years of your life, money, self-esteem and social standing because of them. They are inhuman. They have no empathy but abuse that of others, especially in order to hurt you. Go read \/r \/raidebynarcissists to see what they do to their own children. Think a bully stealing your lunch money is bad? Well what if it's your mother or father?
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franklyforthright 10y ago
I agree... wasted years on a bpd chick
hebola4lyfe 10y ago
what the fuck are you talking about ?
niczar 10y ago
The example quoted here is typical NPD behavior.
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It's a good thread, but read the format rules or it will get deleted.
I mentioned a guy who lost his children to crazy right? Well he had all of his money off-shore wife had no idea how to touch it, he was actually a retired millionaire, what he then did was signed onto our benefits system so that the government had to pay the court fees to get him visitation rights. To this day he has not paid a single penny in child support, but he obviously gave money to the son whenever he needed it. The woman got his house, but she couldn't make the mortgage payments so she lost it, she gets to live there, but only as a tenant.
RPthrowaway123 10y ago
I would love to see a post detailing how to keep some money off shore or in assets the courts can't touch. It's definitely something I need to look into for my future.
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That's literally what the accounting profession is about, 100% loopholes, you learn about specific loopholes, but the moment your loopholes gets too big or famous, you're outta luck.
My economics teacher, I once asked him why he quit his £100k+ accounting job, to teach at our equivalent of high school, and he said, "Suravira, the system was just so corrupt and immoral, all the deals behind backs and loopholes, I wanted to be able to sleep at night."
Aerobus 10y ago
ECs are exempt from the format rules. That said, please understand that anytime I post I aim to make sure it is something that people can read and take something away from it.
This seems like the solution. When my career picks up, I'm going to open an offshore account. It's one of the few things you can do to maintain any type of autonomy at all.
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Well I'm not entirely sure it was off-shore accounts, or just those, because anyone with that level of foresight is tricky, I assume all his money is off-shore but I do know for a fact the government couldn't touch the money, and he is loaded.
Squeezymypenisy 10y ago
This seems very suspect. Government law now taxes all money you make including anything outside of the United states whether it be property or other earnings. I would love to have an accountant come in here and clarify your post.
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Not from america, UK, we have a tax dodging scheme just shy of Greece, still definitely suspect though.
Greece, loads of millionaires but none of them pay tax, hence why the country is constantly defaulting on loans.
Squeezymypenisy 10y ago
Interesting. I figured england might have something. That makes more sense for greece.
dr_warlock 10y ago
Oh, so the government didn't steal his money for alimony, and
more alimonychild support. You should be grateful!How ingrained into the matrix do you have to be to say something like this? It's fucking minecraft....over the internet.
You may have a legal right to visitation, but I'll make it miserable for you.
Conclusion: There is a clear difference between men and women in divorce. The man may hit his wife and kids, he may even rape or just abandon the family, but I've never seen a husband attempt to divorce rape his wife. I've never seen a man be disgusted with a woman for no other reason than that she's no longer attractive in his eyes. Have you ever heard of a man place his ex in permanent financial depression (jailed for no ability to pay), snatch away the kids from her, and make/threaten to make false rape and abuse accusations just to have a sense of superiority and acquire some extra change so as to not have to work? Women view men they aren't attracted to as lesser beings. If you can't be used as a tool, you should die.
BattleDrillOneAlpha 10y ago
If I ever get married and have kids and then get a divorce I would actually advocate for her to get as much time with the kids as possible if roles were reversed.Unless she is a shit parent or terrible mother to the children then there is no reason to keep her away.
You see, this is the attitude men have. The men commenting in those threads are thinking like a man would; they would imagine that the only reason a parent would harm another in divorce is because they have done something wrong and would harm the kids developmentally. It's all bull shit. They aren't kids of divorced parents nor do they think that they will ever be in that situation. Because they will find the unicorn...
The reason women do this is because they are vindictive about the whole divorce thing. They get way too emotionally invested in the affair and don't think logically from the kid's point of view or the fathers. If they did then they would advocate for equal time between the parents. But what we have is a tilted system and you better believe they will use every advantage they have to harm the father because when emotion gets in the way, sound judgement goes out the window. They need to think logically about the situation; it will only help both sides.
dr_warlock 10y ago
Yeah, if she was good mother and wife, through the whole process, why not? Even if you were to financially gain from doing so. That would be really low to screw her over even though she did her job well. Then again, honor is a male abstract.
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kalstate 10y ago
I have a very close friend of my family (who I grew up with) marry a really prissy bitch from the neighborhood. I won't go into details about her, but her whole family was so crazy, even I could see something was wrong with those girls when I was pre-teen. Fast forward 20 years. The ex-wife taught her 3-4 year-old daughter to tell the court "he put his potty in my mouth". She also, somehow got the teenage son to hate his dad too (dad takes his kid out fishing and hunting constantly, and I've seen him with his kids on weekends, before the divorce). I know this accused man from my childhood, he is one of the best men I have ever had the privilege of knowing, and he is still a dear, close friend of the family. Fortunately, the judge only took my friend's money, pride, and children. He was not convicted of child molestation. I haven't seen him in a while, but my brother says he's doing alright. He gets to see his kids again, after the prosecution failed to convict him. I can't stress this enough..For The Love Of God And All That Is Holy, Do Not Under Any Circumstances Get Married.
destraht 10y ago
I bet that CPS was all up in his business. Also was he arrested?
kalstate 10y ago
I don't know if he was arrested (I assumed, but now that you asked, I don't know for sure). I know that he was ordered to stay away from his children until the court (or CPS?) decided he was innocent. I know that he was afraid that he may never see his children, or maybe sent to prison.
destraht 10y ago
Good chance he was arrested and had to waste some days in jail and blow through several thousand on an attorney and a bondsman. Perhaps his attorney argued that he would just be a good boy and avoid the children until it was settled. Maybe if he didn't have a history of disregarding court orders that they would let it go easily.
kalstate 10y ago
Based on the statistics, it seems so. Welcome to North Korea. We are no longer citizens.
destraht 10y ago
The UNITED STATES is a corporation that in turn deals with people as fictitious strawmen entities (ALL CAPS) and for far too long nobody was disputing the assigned entity and so it stuck and has become the system. The real saying is more to the affect that a man who has an attorney represent him is an idiot. This is due to the origins where slaves, debtors, idiots, dead and insane people didn't have a voice and someone else would speak on their behalf. Today you are a free person when you are still inside of your mothers womb (water) but once you break it you are delivered down the birth canal to the dock (doctor) and there the delivery vessel (your mother) signs away the cargo to come onto the land with a birth (berth) certificate (another shipping reference). Its basically maritime admiralty commercial law invading the land (common law). So many years have passed that its all really just academic and historical insight at this point.
Then of course the dominant powers set about to further undermine the society by completely enslaving us through our dicks. If we follow the advice here and pay our parking meters then we can have another good crack at autonomy. Meanwhile though the society is completely subverted to the point that most people can no longer identify friend from foe.
kalstate 10y ago
This is a really important point--the main reason I'm on this sub. It baffles me how many people don't get this and think RP is full of hatred. But I digress... I've got a few freedoms left to exercise today!
destraht 10y ago
or emmigrate:
Thus, far and wide, they migrate either to the Goths or to the Bagaudae, or to other barbarians everywhere in power; yet they do not repent of having migrated. They prefer to live as freemen under an outward form of captivity, than as captives under the appearance of liberty. Therefore, the name of Roman citizens, at one time not only greatly valued, but dearly bought, is now repudiated and fled from, and it is almost considered not only base, but even deserving of abhorrence.
Invalidity 10y ago
Until the climate changes, marriage is a very fatal proposition for men.
This is the true potential of women, one that men do not realize until it is too late. The only reason why marriages functioned in the past is because each person in the relationship adopted a specified gender role.
Nowadays society is trying to do away with those roles. They are effectively dismantling the family unit.
circlhat 10y ago
There are still gender roles, its just reverse , men do not do well submissively , but they adapt emotionally. When I started becoming Alpha I found a entire new set of feelings and happiness I never knew existed.
Women on the other hand can not respect a Beta male, they can not take the leadership role in a relationship , unless you are a utility.
One of the most disgusting things is their hamster
"I don't find my husband attractive he is a great guy for the kids, but I find this other guy attractive"
She knows why she doesn't find him attractive , exactly why, but simply wants to hamster away morals divorce
failureToSend 10y ago
I'd say that the family unit has pretty much already been dismantled by feminism, legal constraints, and greed - the very few successful marriages I've witnessed with children are from conservative, religious families (LDS, for example) - all other men should avoid marriage, period.
Hatorader 10y ago
Even if the climate changes for the better they can change it back ANYTIME THEY WANT WHILE YOU'RE MARRIED!
Demonspawn 10y ago
The first reform that would have to happen to marriage for me to consider it is a law stating that the laws of marriage and divorce when and where you got married are what bind your marriage, rather than the laws of when and where you get divorced.
My parents married under no-fault divorce laws. They are no longer bound by that contract. It changed out from under them.
kalstate 10y ago
Something like this must have happened historically in the past. It seems to be causing a shrinking fertility rate (not to mention the catastrophic, pandemic loss of personal and family happiness/quality of life). I am starting to think that they (3rd wave feminists?) don't care that they are collapsing society and effectively ending their genetic lineage. Does anybody have historical references for similar sociological historical events? Perhaps this is what traditional religions have attempted to--or succeeded in--rectifying? On the other hand, perhaps what is bad for our time is good for future (surviving) generations and ecological stability? Just some whole-picture questions I've had for a while now..
EDIT: Just to be clear, I understand that these individual women are acting on their own sense of entitlement. But what continues to flabbergast me is that the government is supporting these behaviors. It's not as if they don't understand the consequences of their complicit behavior and 'support'.
VancouverSucks 10y ago
Alpha, dominant, smart and strong men now don't want to have kids. The gene pool is being weakened by betas offspring. Reverse Darwanism.
RatherDieStanding 10y ago
The fall of Rome comes to mind. "Rampant bachelor-ism" was blamed as one of the causes; though I'm not sure if the bachelor-ism in Rome's era was caused by the decay of marriage (as is now) or if it was some other factor. It was bad enough in Rome that there was actually a bachelor tax instituted (Lex_Papia_Poppaea on Wikipedia.)
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I would point out that Lex Papia Poppaea was instituted in 8 AD, roughly 300-500 years (depending on where a historian draws the line) before the Roman Empire split and the Western half ceased to exist.
In addition, the Roman Empire reached its height in 117 AD, nearly 110 years after the LPP was instituted.
That's not to say that rampant bachelorism didn't play a part, but it's likely a lot more complex than that and there probably isn't a straight line that we can draw between the two
bakbakgoesherthroat 10y ago
Considering that Claudius' wife, Messalina (an Empress) beat a professional prostitute in a sex competition, I'd guess that Roman women were extremely promiscuous. If the Empress was doing this, imagine how the average bitch acted; the tone is set at the top.
They also had no-fault divorces, which allowed women to divorce men for no apparent reason. Sound familiar?
Demonspawn 10y ago
They totally understand the consequences: they get reelected.
"Sex and Culture" by J.D. Unwin
"Unwin analyzes 80 primitive cultures and a number of past empires and finds that, without exception, the level of advancement or decline of all cultures is directly tied to the level of regulation of female sexuality. His historical examples include the Sumerians, Babylonians, Athenians, Romans, Teutons, and Anglo-Saxons (600s - 900s), and English (1500s - 1900s). In every example, these cultures began to rise when women were required to be virgins at marriage and to be monogamous for life. All of these cultures began to decline when women were given rights, were not required to be virgins at marriage, when divorce was common, and marriage was in decline."
kalstate 10y ago
Thank you for the Unwin ref. This is exactly the kind of thing I wanted to read.
bluedrygrass 10y ago
Of course they don't. Women only cares about one person in their lives.
The theory circulating here in trp, about women caring about children, it's obviously wrong and based on the same romantic and navie suppositions that made people believe women are fair, loyal, respectful and disinterested.
kalstate 10y ago
Shit, you have a point. I keep seeing these women (in my own social circle) having babies, and I think it's just another way to secure their own financial futures. I had a girlfriend in high school who later cuckolded her husband with my brother! Went to a bar with her, her husband, and my dad. She started screaming she'd suck my dick right in front of my father and her husband--my dad even got pissed. A few months later, they were divorced. Here's where it gets good: She snagged one of her daughter's friends (fresh out of high school), got knocked up, and had a baby shower. I know with absolute certainty that they use children to secure their finances. Sure, they 'care' for their kids. I mean it's a human being, which is like a pet, but you can bring it with you when you go shopping.
bitches_be_crazy86 10y ago
Women need some force in their life to show them what ok and what's not ok. Essentially a strong pimp (figurative) hand that can show her where's her place
kalstate 10y ago
Jesus, I just had a revelation. That's why actual pimps exist! They are evil red pillers. Holy shit.
plentyoffishes 10y ago
The climate isn't changing around marriage. You simply cannot sign a contract on a feeling and think it's going to last "forever". Marriage is for fools no matter how it is done. It's a myth and a fallacy that legal contracts have anything to do with love or successful relationships.
unassumingusername7 10y ago
Marriage when it works isn't about love at all. If you happen to love the person, great. But up until the late 20th century, marriage was a transaction, of reproductive access for provisioning.
If the climate reverses, and you can get silly notions of love and happily ever after out of your head, then you can choose to trade provisioning for babies if you want that kind of family.
plentyoffishes 10y ago
But you still don't need a certifcate from the government to say you are good to go to have kids. And, if you look at the numbers (50% divorce rate, many more unhappy marriages), is it really true that marriage is good for children? I'm highly skeptical of this claim.
kalstate 10y ago
What a joke these 'love' contracts are. I have a colleague who happens to be a RP woman (she probably doesn't know about the community). She's a divorced career woman, and lives across the street from her current significant other. They keep their finances and properties separate, but they live like a family (she takes care of his kid too). I would love to find me one who thinks and acts like her..
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destraht 10y ago
Somehow this image stuck in people's minds that we have to share the same bed at all times.
[deleted] 10y ago
I feel like I should start taking on Catholic traditions and start telling girls, "I don't believe in divorce" when I'm dating them. That way they'll know I'm not just looking for some random marriage that can be dropped at any time.
Easier solution is probably not to entertain the idea.
Invalidity 10y ago
It really doesn't matter whether you believe in divorce or not, she can and will pull the trigger if and when she sees fit.
darkrood 10y ago
What if she changes her mind later? The loaded guns are still in her hands, unless you have been properly lawyered up.
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I suppose I just have a desire to have a family... Believe me I see all of the MGTOW stuff on this sub. But I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to escape that desire.
darkrood 10y ago
You don't have to say it like you are on drugs. Desire for a community and a family to call your own is natural human trait.
The whole RP things on anti-marriage, is the marriage law itself. There are indeed countries out there that makes divorce proceeding fair on both parties.
I certainly don't think TRP meant to bully anyone into one way of thinking. You certainly is free to make your own decision like a man.
There are bunch of married RPers that make marriage work. They definitely can have some wisdom on making it work for them.
IronMeltsinmyHands 10y ago
Women are capable of sooo much evil shit. How anyone can not see women for what they are in beyond me. You see and hear of women being horrible to each other in grade school or high school, maybe even in college, and that doesn't teach you anything?
I'll tell you what it is, it's this "no blanket statements" bullshit they've got that men abide by, they've got men scared of judging them, scared of doing some harm. They've used man's nature against himself. Men fear hurting others, and so they've used that. Yes, I'm saying women don't care about who gets hurt. If that were the case, we wouldn't see this from them.
If they're this bad with just one man, how horrible do you think they are with others?
It's this kind of evil monstrosities that warrant being treated like shit. And women love that too! What kind of a person likes being treated like nothing? The answer is not nobody. The answer is a woman.
Jigsus 10y ago
Wait I missed the memo? What are they?
kalstate 10y ago
I'm a little embarrassed to say this, but over the past month, now whenever I see a woman, I still see her superficial beauty, but I am trying to look underneath, asking myself, "What kind of monster are you?" It is a very effective tool in my daily interactions, and it levels the playing field. I'm not just talking about game for sex, I mean it allows me to treat them as regular humans--at work, with family and friends, out in the wild, etc.. Right now, for me, that is the essence of seeing people through a RP lens.
EDIT: I'll take one more liberty here. I think that a lot of RP men are here because many of them are inherently good people, and they are grappling with dealing with monsters--which is not their own personal native state.
IronMeltsinmyHands 10y ago
I've had that experience as well, I've been training myself to see women as manipulative thieves and whenever I see them with their makeup I ask myself, "What do you want from me? What will you steal from me? Where will you stab me?"
The only way to avoid this is to hurt women before they can hurt you. And that's they way for most things. Hold people out and push them away, mind your own business, no matter who it is, even your brothers. Sometimes you just have to build walls.
I'm being overly emotional.
These things bring out the worst in me.
5t3fan0 10y ago
its because you care - brohug
kalstate 10y ago
I feel you, brother. I am still trying to take a softer approach..like Bill Burr: when she swings, grab the right hand, then grab the left hand, and finally cover your balls. It was the defibrillator punch that got him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BSlqZYtWzQ (go to 53 minutes 18 seconds)
Edit: spelling
IronMeltsinmyHands 10y ago
I've seen this before. Hilarious.
bluedrygrass 10y ago
I know we should avoid excess use of force, but i'd take the satisfaction of treating a woman like a man, if she was ever to hit me. I'd put the fear of attacking a man in her. Equality for all. Once someone attacks you, he/she/it loses any right of not being harmed back. It's a simple rule.
Let's keep it civilized, and if you can't, be prepared to deal with the consequences.
Too many women attack men simply because they've never been hit back, or don't really realize the structural differences.
Too many women didn't have brothers or had pussified ones. A woman raised between untamed brothers have a sacred fear and respect of a male body. The look of surprise when they realize with an half assed slap you can deliver twice the force they can with a full swing is priceless.
kalstate 10y ago
I feel you. I figured out how to deal with the physical part. I basically walk. I am so much bigger than most of my girlfriends (ok, I nailed a fatty here and there), that I don't think it occurs to them that they could hit me. However, I had one tiny Asian plate (size 0) who was having an episode, reared back and got me pretty good. I glared at her silently, and said "OK, you cannot do that. I cannot hit you, and therefore you cannot hit me. Those are the rules, and if you ever take a swing at me again, this relationship is over. Are we clear?" She said yes, and the fear of losing me was enough for her to behave.
R_E_D_1 10y ago
They name-checked TRP twice that I saw. Once was with a neckbeard reference too. Story after story of father's getting fucked in divorce, but we're the assholes for daring to support men? LOL I love it.
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IronBallsOfKnowledge 10y ago
He said that guy was like 300 pounds, married, and in an open relationship.
All three things opposite of what TRP would say to do. Makes sense.
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I would be so much more open to counter points to TRP if it wasn't for the fact that they all completely misrepresent TRP ...
[deleted] 10y ago
Not entirely. From the original comment:
Few if any TRPers are going to disagree with this type of open relationship from a sexual strategy perspective, the marriage aspect aside
IVIaskerade 10y ago
Here's where we disagree.
The kind of woman who would agree to that situation is not one that you should marry, as she's essentially a plate.
The kind of woman you marry wouldn't tolerate an open relationship - but if she's he type of woman u would actually marry, you wouldn't want other women anyway (cue unicorn accusations).
R_E_D_1 10y ago
Exactly. If that's their characterization I say keep it and stay away. We have enough bullshit posts/comments trying to muddy up the waters in here.
LukesLikeIt 10y ago
Kind of goes against what we're attempting to do here though isn't it. We try to change those that need/want it. If people are afraid of the competition that's an insecurity they have to deal with. However I understand your point.
darkhindu 10y ago
People who want the help come looking for it, advertising is unnecessary.
Revive_Revival 10y ago
Let the idiots keep the idiots outside, the only people we need here are the ones that check facts and don't circlejerk about things they barely know about.
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Revive_Revival 10y ago
"there is no worse blind man than the one who doesn't want to see"
The "trp is full of virgin misogynistic neckbeards" strawman benefits them more than actually reading and having an informed opinion about this sub
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libcuck 10y ago
I wonder if in your entire life you have ever referred to a woman that way.
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LukesLikeIt 10y ago
The only reason people grow within this sub is because it allows it's members relative freedom of expression they are unable to find else where. You are going to read somethings you don't agree with or perhaps find offensive but that's discourse. The feedback drives the topics discussed. If you want an echo chamber then you can fuck off.
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LukesLikeIt 10y ago
Of course there are a lot of shit posts wtf so you expect. The entire reason we are here is because we are in the process of change and betterment. This sub wouldn't exist if everyone was already at the finish line. You're just trying to be edgy, you have no argument.
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Anymore buzzwords you want to throw at me? Is it possible for someone to think you are wrong and that your rhetoric is insane and delusional without trying to be edgy or 'trolling'?
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[deleted] 10y ago
wow, another top comment that thinks this is some mra or support group...
R_E_D_1 10y ago
Men's rights isn't the focus, but it's definitely part of what goes on here. It's even a searchable tag, bro. And there is definitely a LOT of support here for men, especially when they're in the anger phase of TRP. Where are you getting the idea that these are not part of the subreddit's discussion?
[deleted] 10y ago
Saying that women hate men being happy is way too general. These are a couple of really crazy women. These few examples absolutely do not prove that ALL women want to see men suffer.
Don't be stupid and marry any good looking slut, 'cause marriage is a hell of a commitment and you don't want to find yourself stuck in a crappy one, but if you find the right girl, a woman you feel you could spend your life with, fuck this red pill bullshit and go for it.
BattleDrillOneAlpha 10y ago
The best part was the comments on the minecraft story. Everyone was saying to assume the dad had done terrible shit. The argument was that there was lack of info so the dad must have done something to warrant that. The kicker was they said not to make a judgement, but they were assuming judgments on the dad. Because, you know, it's not like men and her get fleeced on visitation with their children....
Jaques_Fury 10y ago
And of course, thousands of hamsters showed up to this thread - ready to defend every instance of a woman's vindictive & hateful behavior. Pretty much every excuse for all egregious abuses of power in divorce courts goes along the lines of:
"I'm sure she had her reasons."
Yeah, fucking Hitler had reasons. Every crazed maniac behind a shooting has had reasons. Doesn't make 'em right. People are judged by their actions, not their intent.
So, some Father can't play Minecraft with his kids over the internet because it's "unmonitored"? Who the fuck gets to be that petty and have society pretend like they're acting in their children's best interests? Oh, right, women.
It doesn't even make sense. Minecraft has a 90 character limit per message. What, that Father's gonna slowly transcribe some anti-Wife essay piece by piece? Worst case, save chat logs. Even worse case, you can disable chat via a menu. It takes, like, 10 seconds. Shit's not even "unmonitored" on a functional level.
What makes this shit bad isn't the fact that it happens, it's the fact that other people defend it en masse. Thousands of upvotes for people implying that shit like this is excusable.
1independentmale 10y ago
That minecraft comment thread pissed me the fuck off. Bunch of bitches claiming there must be a good reason, surely the father is verbally abusing the child or talking shit about the mother and on and on.
Except he still had partial custody of his boy and can say whatever the fuck he wants in person while they're together with no record of it. So tell me again how the minecraft ban is about protecting the boy from his father? There's absolutely no logic in that thought process. You're not protecting him from anything. Moreover, if dad really was a shit, the kid wouldn't want to play minecraft with him in the first place. I've seen plenty of worthless asshole fathers, their kids don't like them.
The truth is exactly what it looks like: The mother is a ruthless cunt who hates her ex so much she's willing to hurt the boy if it means she gets to twist that knife in dads back just a little more.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
That is infuriating.
If a guy cheats on his woman he is an asshole; if a woman cheats on his man, he was an asshole. If a husband murders his wife, he is an asshole; if a woman murders her husband, he was an asshole.
That is the narrative, always.
ThrowyMcGruder 10y ago
The greatest example of this that I've ever seen is the following:
I know a guy who is pretty awesome. Everybody likes him and admires him.
He's in his 30s. He's both fun and funny. He's fit. He owns his own house. An outdoorsy type. Works as a landscaper and does forrestry work. And competes quite successfully in MMA. He also owns horses and looks after animals in general.
He's a perfect example of "men want to be him and women want to be with him".
Enter Sexy McBlonde.
She's a bit bitchy and gets by on her looks. Most people dislike her. I personally got on OK with her simply because I never treated her like her shit didn't stink.
So they hook up and they're going out for a couple of years and most women I know would often make a point in "private" (read: as publicly as possible without leaving a trail that can prove that they said it) that he can do far better.
So, one day, I'm sitting out in the sunshine, in a beer garden, with a gang of people. A few of these women were there and one just joined with that gleeful "gossip face" on.
"Guess who just broke up!", she said, like this was fantastic news.
It was Awesome Guy and Sexy McBlonde.
"Apparently, somebody was getting a little extra love outside of the bedroom!", she continued on.
"What an asshole!!!", the group of women exclaimed. "Why are men such dicks?", they went on, disgusted.
But the messenger continued to smile as she happily blurted out, "It wasn't him who was cheating!"
"Ohhhhhhh!!!", they all screamed, wide-eyed, and laughingly. "Looks like somebody wasn't up to scratch in the bedroom!"
They then proceeded to mock him with comments about how he probably spent all his time making love to his horses and not paying her enough attention.
The general female consensus that any woman, even this woman that they all hated, deserves whatever she wants and that the consequences of any bad actions only apply to males.
One guy in the group said something about this, and the women did the whole, "You're right, we're sorry!", while pretending to try to keep a straight face and then bursting into giggles again.
Of course, over the course of the night, they all went from mocking him to quietly playing their own hand to get in his favour, seeing as he was now on the market.
I think every one of them approached me alone that evening to ask about him, as I'm his friend.
They may have been shameless in their group mockery, but they spoke with absolute empathy when they got me alone and asked if he was OK/if he'd like someone to talk to/if I'd bring him along to some event that they're going to and so on.
destraht 10y ago
That is because the culture is complete garbage, but they are still people.
Lately I've been mastering the Ukrainian bark. When people do something very obviously wrong or improper I become super loud and I tell them about their ass like so many people have done to me before. People here defer to others when they are obviously in a wrong position. The first time I did this I was expecting the California mumbles and open mocking to commence all around me but it simply didn't happen and then I was immediately invited to join in another table for tea and then the same group that I put in their place invited me over as well and hour later. The trick is to be extremely loud and gruff about the offending act and then to immediately change to a normal and non-confrontational tone when it is recognized. Here people don't feel entitled to be right just by virtue of being born. They haven't been open to many years of that sort of shallow individualism yet.
NickCiufi 10y ago
She probably wanted it banned because she's too computer-illiterate to set it up properly.
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mryddlin 10y ago
Isolating the male offspring from their father is common.
My mom bawled on my ass to stay with her, I later realized the primary motivation was resources.
I love my mom, she's a great lady but..... AWALT and I learned that early on, just never understood it until now.
StarDestinyGuy 10y ago
Seriously?
Or maybe he plays it with his son because he can bond with his son by joining him in an activity he really loves.
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mikesteane 10y ago
No, there is no need to be vindictive. I know a man who has been divorced by two women, both of whom now regret it, and remains on good terms not only with the ex-wives, but both sets of families. Allowing oneself to be vindictive is childish and foolish.
PMME_YOUR_TITS_WOMAN 10y ago
You can't even direct link other TRP posts? o_O
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colinKaepernicksHat 10y ago
legal prostitution when? Red pill me on why women don't want it legal?
skoobled 10y ago
It lowers the price of pussy. However, they still have plenty of power of it's legal, but socially frowned upon. It would have to be legal, cheap, and thoroughly socially acceptable in order to nullify the pussy power completely
BlaiseDB 10y ago
In Canada it is the feminist lobby that wants it legal. Western culture means being a whore on your own terms.
Canadian law has never criminalized the exchange of sex for money but pimp, brothel and streetwalking laws meant that you could not really do it as a "profession" or commercial activity. That all changed when the bonehead Supreme Cunts - -I means Supreme Court ruled that anything that is not banned should be wide open legal.
Without a constitutional amendment the ostensibly Conservative government banned the purchase of sex, but - as per the "Scandanavian model" did not criminalize selling one's ass. That law will run up the flag pole for the simple reason that women want to be whores.
I meet a lot of women online and many years ago short, cute little blonde offered me sex for money. I said no. I few dates later I fucked her silly. Sure, you pay for it one way or another, but it should always be on your terms.
uxl 10y ago
Can't you avoid all the problems with a good prenup?
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BlaiseDB 10y ago
The trick isn't "don't get married", the trick is "don't get divorced". It's pretty easy to find two researched and established truths: married men are happier and live longer than single men, and (no-fault) divorce is the single largest suicide risk factor among men in the western world.
I spent 4 years as a divorce lawyer and had to deal with women pulling all kinds of shit. Then again, when I was representing women it was not uncommon for the guys to do all sorts of bone-headed things.
On the one hand, about half of marriages end in divorce; on the other hand, about half of marriages survive. (Or you can look for a Chinese farm girl where the odds of her divorcing you are about 4%.) Among divorces, most amount to basically filing paperwork and working out a schedule if there are kids. Legal fees work out to a few thousand dollars.
If you had a prenup the courts have become less and less likely to throw them out, especially if you have been updating them every few years. Women's incomes are increasing and alimony is getting smaller and smaller. Shared custody agreements are also making child support payments smaller and smaller.
The problem isn't lawyers, the problem is clients. If either one - male or female - wants to be a complete cunt about it, then they are fucking with their kids' heads and pissing away a pile of money that both they and the kids could use for something better. It is only in those exceptional cases (perhaps 5% or less of divorces) that I was dealing with in court.
So maybe there are about 20-30 million divorced women running about, but even if only 5% are cunts, then that means well over a million guys who had to go through some serious heartache, more than half of whom probably got a shitty deal (given the admittedly lop-sided nature of family law and courts) and probably a few hundred thousand who got "divorce raped". That amounts to a lot of horror stories that gain more press than maybe they should, as with terrorist bombings, plane crashes and shark attacks.
And yet, if you are college educated, over 27, conservative, same religious faith, not too much older than your bride, have a decent income and that is reflected in a kickass wedding and honeymoon, then you cut you chances of getting divorced to maybe 10%. A professional couple who have similar incomes and share parental time will tend to split assets, share custody, have little or no alimony or child support or child support issues and can get on with their life if they do in fact divorce. Realistically, if you are smart about it, the chance of you marrying a cunt and getting divorce raped is only about 1%.
Meanwhile, married men typically live longer and earn more than single men. You also have more stability and legal leverage if you actually want to have children (regardless of whether you actually want to marry).
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BlaiseDB 10y ago
Last I heard the number was 43% but it sounds reasonable that first time losers would become second and third time losers such that they skew the statistics.
Selfimproveman 10y ago
Yeah I agree with your post. Maybe I have confirmation bias because I want to eventually have kids and I realise a marriage is the best way to foster their upbringing.
I see parallels between r/atheism and r/trp sometimes. I remember all the posts of 'ha look how retarded this Christian is' that eventually flooded the subreddit. Not that different from AWALT in extreme cases.
Ive seen enough bad relationships to start to understand the drawbacks of marriage, although I would be lying if I didn't say I've seen some older couples who've been happily married for decades and spend their retirement travelling the world and driving fancy cars. Odds stacked against you? Most likely. Though arm yourself with knowledge and you can improve your chances.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
I took the Sherlock Holmes reasoning to heart: eliminate the impossible and what remains must be the truth. I saw so many bad marriages. My marriage won't be like that.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
Choose your own path. . My experience as a divorce lawyer taught me Sherlock Holmes logic: given whatever is untrue then what remains is true (or at least can be true). I looked at dozens if not hundreds of marriages that did not make it. I chose my bride because I saw nothing of that, so maybe she will be true.
Aerobus 10y ago
You are right that it is more important to not be divorced rather than not get married, but with divorce rates so high why take such a risk? I expanded on this below. Part of being alpha is risk management. I don't think it is smart for you to marry simply to prove that you are alpha enough to dominate and control a woman in an LTR.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
You are right: you should never have something to prove. You also agree with me in risk management. As I pointed out, if you have the indicators then you can cut your chance of divorce 4 fold.
But my additional point is that "divorce rape" is not the norm.
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BlaiseDB 10y ago
I suppose I have been to the sausage factory and actually know how it works.
A non-contested divorce costs about $600 in legal fees and another $600 in court and other government filing fees. On good terms, a separation agreement that will be attached to the divorce will be about $1500.
And I only billed $150, 2/3rds of which went to overhead and half of the rest was either never billed or never collected.
So I was making about 25 bucks an hour. It would have been ok work to do uncontested divorces: I would have preferred to have a few of them rather than racking up $30k in fees and expenses to run a trial.
I still stand by it: if either you or your ex choose to be a cunt, then that is on you, not your lawyer. Any lawyer that encourages that shit should be thrown into a wood chipper.
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The trick to not getting divorced is to not bother with marriage.
Marriage is said to be the leading cause of divorce
BlaiseDB 10y ago
Necessary cause, sufficient cause, proximate cause: I'm too tired to debate this.
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They might earn more but I doubt they have more disposable income.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
Well, other stats suggest that women control 80% of consumer spending. haha Married men make more money to pay for their wife and kids.
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hebola4lyfe 10y ago
lol yeah no... nice try
No rational man in this day and age should approach marriage .
This is a trap to enslave them .
You should give up on this fraud .
BlaiseDB 10y ago
Marry a cunt and take the fraud. I am just saying that 99% of intelligent men can avoid this and still enjoy the benefits of marriage.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
No rational man would not look at the statistics I present. Maybe it's not for you, but don't go into or opt out of marriage without full information.
Peter_Principle_ 10y ago
Do you have a source for those claims?
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BlaiseDB 10y ago
I can conjour them up of my bitchy Chinese internet decides to work, but these are not state secrets; you can look them up yourself in the meantime.
bourbonhipster 10y ago
i find your perspective and experience rather refreshing considering your professional history. I dont believe in the current institutionalized version of marriage and all of the benefits provided for carrying that recognized status, but the fact remains there are benefits to it, just as there are obvious risks and pitfalls.
For dudes out there who say hell no to marriage but yes please to children, just know that if that doesnt turn out well down the line, you are left with almost no rights if you are not claimed to be the legal father, and have no rights to deny/defend against a court order seeking genetic evidence to prove you are a legit father which then leaves you with scant few rights and ALL of the same responsibilities of being a co-parent in a separated situation.
What is a man to do in the face of these chilling revelations, deny ourselves offspring as well?
BlaiseDB 10y ago
The deck has been stacked against men, but not to the extent some might think.
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BlaiseDB 10y ago
Most guys will forfeit quality time with their kids while they are married and that carries over in the divorce. The bias against men and fathers exacerbates that.
In most of the cases I handled, the guy could get shared custody if he really wanted it.
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Very informative comment, well done.
The faggots espousing this naysaying in regards to marriage have their heads shoved up their asses. /u/Aerobus is no different -- his forté is in pessimism and negativity regarding women. It has its place in "unplugging," but making that your main message is not conducive to personal growth.
Some of the most alpha/TRP guys I've met have wives. But only because they are the man's man are they able to have such successful marriages.
Refusing to engage in Woman Management is a testament to weak willpower. Men are the strong ones, women are the weak. Don't live your life in fear of what a weak woman might do. Instead assert your dominance over her and make her completely submit to you. She is your subordinate and nature intends on her being that.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
I am of two minds: if your wife wanders then you fucked up somehow, you did not manage the relationship correctly even in these marriage 2.0 times; if some other guy fucks your wife, then that is still on him, he can't proclaim to be alpha or whatever and yet be a cork on the water.
Aerobus 10y ago
I agree that you shouldn't live in fear of what a woman could do but it is a foolish idea to enter into marriage in an attempt to prove that you can be alpha and manage a woman. With a 50% divorce rare and with the divorce courts so heavily in favor of women, it is simply unwise to marry. Being alpha also involves risk assessment.
Yes, I do use pessimism to get my point across. It is necessary in unplugging and also staying unplugged. I find it helpful and I hope it helps other men prevent themselves from falling into their previous beta behavior.
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Fluviant, I'm a fan of your ideas.
I just want to point out that weak women have strong government behind them.
That said, I'm married and have no plans to change things but it's becAuse of the loss of access to kids and my money.
I do not recccomend men marry. Kids..LTR..sure.
notseriouslyserious 10y ago
Aerobus is still a university student. Take anything he says with copious amount of salt. I've seen alot of his posts, all of which are rehashes of trp ideas, none i would categorize as original content.
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I'm aware -- and, in his own words, he associates with "betas and feminists". Not a high-value group of friends.
Aerobus 10y ago
I mentioned this in that thread. Those people aren't my only friends. In fact they were just people I lived with. I have no plans on being close friends with them and there's a good chance I won't run into them again. I posted that anecdote because I think it was alarming to see young women already scheming to screw over the men they meet.
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BlaiseDB 10y ago
The information is out there but my Chinese internet connection is being difficult today.
If the causal connection runs the other way that it means that more fit males get married while lesser creatures who are destined to die younger fuck bitches and then croak at a young age.
"Married vs partnered": are you talking so called common law relationships?
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BlaiseDB 10y ago
I don't expect you to be "running all over the internet" but it would make for a more effective engagement if you were not a lazy fuck. My internet is screwed today and maybe if the Commies let me I can point the way. The fact is that you are in a better position to educate yourself than I am to take you on as a student.
If there is correlation then you have a limited number of explanations: causality runs one way or the other or there is a third, independent variable. Maybe fit males get married? Maybe losers destined to die young don't? Maybe being married makes you live longer? Give me something else to consider, if you can.
You don't seem to have a good education in these matters. My reasoning is sound, if you understand it.
Jurisdictions vary. I can't speak about America but in Canada if you shack up for 2 years, odds are you can get tagged as being in a "common law marriage".
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BlaiseDB 10y ago
Ok, so you don't want to learn anything and don't have the motivation to find the information yourself. Got it!
You are going completely off the rails in trying to working in probabilities with causality. Logic doesn't really work that way.
I get the impression that you are just an MTV baby who needs his blowjob now, but seriously, my internet connection here in China is shitty and sites come and go for no apparent reason. I can back up what I say given time.
Otherwise, I use to teach logic and such because I could get top scores on objective tests of validity. I can follow how an argument flows but you seem to have some issues with how argumentation actually works. . .if you want to actually prove anything to any level.
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RiseAboveRuin 10y ago
This is a serious question as I've never really considered marriage with anyone and don't know that much about prenup agreements but can't all of this be avoided with a well written pre-nup?
R3v4mp3d 10y ago
Yes and no.
Some courts annul the prenup; read up on the state you're in and the local laws regarding prenups.
But yeah; this is one of the first safety nets.
philovivero 10y ago
I went the other way around. I got a legal separation shortly after I was married (about a month I believe). My wife and I are still legally separated.
When I bought a house, I bought it as the sole owner.
My wife acts like a real, actual, compassionate human being. I don't give her perverse incentives. After a few years, once I'm sure she's as advertised, I'll likely write her into the will. I'm not sure I'll ever get rid of the legal separation though.
Squeezymypenisy 10y ago
Ask a lawyer, do not ask people on here. A good divorce attorney can answer all of your questions and everything for a small fee. Seriously do it if you are curious because the answer will vary depending on where you live and what place you are from. People forget there are 50 states in the union. California is not the only state.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
Yes, you can get a feel for the environment here, but if you are going to take the plunge then get your own attorney to advise you. I was a divorce attorney and my ultimate advice is still "consult with your own lawyer".
Aerobus 10y ago
No, it cannot. Pre-nups get thrown out in court. They will use the excuse that she signed it under duress.
Now, logically, you might think: I know! I will videotape her signing it completely complicity, showing that she was in fact not in duress!
That video tape will not be admissible in court however. Thus, they will believe she was under duress.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
It is not quite that bad. Pay $1000 for ILA (Independent Legal Advice) with an attorney of her choice and your ass is basically covered.
Do that and your only hurdle is to "stick to the plan". That is, a pre-nup assumes particular future outcomes and if those hold, then the pre-nup holds; if those change, the pre-nup gets tossed out and you are back in court. Update your prenup every few years.
HONESTY_IS_UNDERATED 10y ago
Not a completely merit-less post but fuck, the clickbait title brings all the circlejerkers out of the woodwork