TL;DR
John has a history of cultivating a harem of exclusively attractive Asian women. He has been caught before but each time he shrugs it off and plays more women.
Summary
This is from a podcast titled the fever. You read the transcript [here]( http://web.archive.org/web/20150622190932/http://gimletmedia.com/episode/27-the-fever/) and listen to the original [on soundcloud]( https://soundcloud.com/replyall/27-the-fever). The first half of the podcast is some sluts recounting the horrors of dating this player John, and the second half is them bitching and moaning about yellow fever. I will only be summarizing the first half, which is relevant to this discussion.
The story goes like this. Suzanne meets “this really cute guy on OkCupid.” This man’s name was John, and he acted like “one of the best boyfriends [Suzanne] ever had.” (In other words, he was doing a good job playing her). In Stephanie’s own words, “John was Scandinavian, muscular, attractive. He seemed unreal. Like a dream boyfriend.” Gentlemen are you still with me? These women that bitch about yellow fever have it hot for the muscular white guy jerk.
John plays Suzanne like a musical instrument. One day, Suzanne accesses John’s computer, and learns that it contains multiple pictures of attractive women, some of whom he is kissing, and he has multiple chats/IMs ongoing simultaneously with other women.
Suzanne immediately calls John back to his apartment. Fearing the worst, that he may be a serial killer (a logical assumption), she makes him strip naked before entering. As she moans and argues with him about how life is unfair, the doorbell rings, and another one of John’s plates shows up. Suzanne somehow musters up the intelligence to find out that John was sleeping with at least four other women.
At this point, the story transitions to Phoebe’s experience dating John prior. Phoebe is another slut that got played by John. And what Phoebe tells us is magnificent:
Phoebe loved John, but after watching him betray her over and over again, she broke up with him. In their time together though, she’d actually seen John accumulate two cycles of women. In each cycle, he dated up to ten women at once, three to four serious girlfriends, and several casual relationships on the side. Each time, one woman would find out, warn the whole group, and the harem would implode. It’s kind of like when a spider meticulously creates its web. After a storm blows it away, the spider, unfazed, simply begins again. The email Suzanne sent Phoebe was actually the third “Hey everyone, our boyfriend John’s a cheater” email that Phoebe had gotten.
Phoebe also informs us, that this has been going on for three generations, and that all the women John dates are Asian, and these sluts all feel very gross about that.
In summary, Suzanne and Stephanie talk about how triggering and emotionally devastating it was to learn that their alpha BF/plate handler John was dating other women. Their horror increased tenfold when they learned that John liked Asian women, and solely dated them. Read the first half of the podcast; it is rather entertaining. The second half of the podcast is juicy too, but not as important for what we need to discuss.
Lessons Learned
1. Give no fucks
In the second half of the podcast, we get this:
STEPHANIE: He never returned any of my calls or emails. But he has a website with his name and the only thing on the website is a quote that says: “It’s better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for who you’re not.”
As you probably suspect, the girls find this attitude frustrating. The thing is, John doesn’t care. He wants to date multiple attractive Asian women simultaneously. Guess what—that’s exactly what he does. His reaction to the girls: ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2. Women will always go after the bad boy
John was muscular and attractive. He was charming. He was either a natural PUA or learned it. Either way, he successfully seduced women. Women who decided to date John did so because they were attracted to him. No one put a gun to their heads. All of these women are attractive mind you, and none of them dated nice guys. Let that be a lesson. Be nice all you want, but you’re not going to get tingles from them. Attraction comes first. Comfort later.
3. Don’t feel sorry for women; exploit them to your advantage.
Women like players, players are charming, and women get played. It’s how the world works. Don’t feel sorry for them. It’s not your fault that they lack the capacity to distinguish a genuinely good partner that will care for them from one that they are uncontrollably attracted to that doesn’t care about them. Sexual strategy is amoral. If you don't want to play women, that's fine, but don't kid yourself into believing that other men out there won't.
John recognized this. He understood that being charming and playing women works to his advantage. And so he lived his life free of regret and did just that: he played women.
4. Don’t apologize for your preferences
John dated solely Asian women. The women in the podcast thought he was “a fetishist.” It doesn’t matter what they think of him though. What matters is what he thinks of himself. Maybe he really was a fetishist, but even if he was it doesn’t matter. He knew what he liked—Asian women—and he sought that, giving no fucks about what other people think.
Be like John.

colucci 10y ago
10 plates at a time.
Fuck y'all. I can barely keep 2-3 going on since I'm so busy with work and school, let alone 10.
jumpingdonkey 10y ago
we need to drag johns ass over here for a ama, should be entertaining at the least !
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jumpingdonkey 10y ago
what makes you say/think that?
PM_ME_STOCKTIPS 10y ago
John is a character the show created to portray the man these women had been "betrayed" by. There's an actual person out there who did this, but his name isn't John.
I'm pretty certain that's what /u/Lashlarue123 was getting at.
incelmanlate20s 10y ago
JOHN is taking advantage of his racial position in society. JOHN enjoys it, the Asian women obviously love his very very whiteness, and r/hapas pays for it all.
sardinemanR 10y ago
The only people I feel sorry for are the poor beta Asian males that wife up these sluts after they hit the wall.
AWALT. I'm not sure if any women around the world are marriage material, but I am absolutely certain Western women aren't, no matter what race they are.
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Why do you feel sorry for them?
Feel sorry for the Asian looking sons born to Asian women with white fever.
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Never feel sorry for beta males. But it does make me wonder... If all us white guys are macking Asian women with very little effort, what's going on with Asian men?
sardinemanR 10y ago
I think they're incel. I see enough whining about it at any rate.
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aa223 10y ago
Well while women don't mind sharing a successful guy, I guess those two women didn't want to. Still 10 women? I guess if you have the willpower it is pretty manageable. Also, I think the more interesting happening here more so than this are the temp bans.
In any case, this is what happens when your limitations are cast aside. You will be in control of everything.
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dr_warlock 10y ago
So asian women were shaming John for dating other asian woman? How can yellow fever be used as a shaming tactic when the woman in question is within your own race?
1independentmale 10y ago
This "yellow fever" is a bunch of horse shit, anyway. What's wrong with being attracted to Asians? How is that in any way racist? "I find your women hot and I want to fuck them" = shameful and racist? lol. I like skinny blondes with big tits, I must have "barbie fever."
Everyone has their preferences. Nothing wrong with it.
MagneticJohnson 10y ago
well, some people say the white guys who go for asians do it because they can't get white girls. in many cases there is some truth to that. so these girls get pissed because they thought he could get whoever he wanted.
asians girls can be just as hot, but they usually don't play at the level of white chicks ime. some dudes find asian girls less intimidating.
SlappaDaBayssMon 10y ago
I read an article somewhere that claimed "yellow fever" was actually reversed - young Asian girls tend to be more attracted to older white males and not the other was around.
rossiFan 10y ago
That's how asian women are. They aren't called "The cruel race" for nothing.
Mattpilf 10y ago
Because in most context, men who exclusively date women of one race not their own are objective and exploiting those women. These women realized that, and in fact OP is saying that's the right thing to do.
Women don't want to be objectified, that's why they left when they figured it out. Doesn't matter whether it's the right thing for John to do, his actions were consistent with with objectified and exploitation of women. it's 100% logical for them to be upset with his "fetish.". They realized they were pieces of Asian meat that could be exchanged for any other Asian meat, of course they got pissed.
Temuzjin 10y ago
John clearly dated her because she's wonderful and dated the other women because they're asian.
tuxedoburrito 10y ago
"It's on the inside that is what counts.
Really. That's why I only date alphas because the way they act on the outside or the way they look just doesn't matter to me."
Yeah yeah
TheRealMewt 10y ago
Because the hamster wheel rarely comes with brakes installed.
the10thrider 10y ago
Oh there are brakes, but they function like a KERS system where the kinetic energy from the brakes is conserved and used to boost the wheel into hyperdrive when the need arises.
RealRational 10y ago
Then when they are installed it's normally done by a guy who gives them tingles and doesn't really GAF about the brakes so they don't last long nor work very well.
kanji_sasahara 10y ago
This is easily among my favorite responses regarding the hamster. On par with a particular example of the hamster, that if it were harnessed for energy, could power a metropolis.
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NidStyles 10y ago
I don't think it has a method for steering either, as it tends to roll off in random directions occasionally as well.
yumyumgivemesome 10y ago
That's a hamster ball. The hamster wheel is the deeply engrained repetitive pattern of thinking that women use in spite of countervailing evidence or logic. The hamster ball is when a woman realizes she's been caught in that loop of failure and, therefore, shoots off in every different direction in a futile attempt to justify her irrationality.
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JackGoldsteinWrites 10y ago
It's just a blow to their ego, nothing more. "I thought you dated me because you liked me, not because of a fetish!". Let alone that you may actually need your fetish to be satisfied in order to like someone...
1independentmale 10y ago
Their use of the word "fetish" is just over the top ridiculous anyway. Having a preference for certain body types or ethnicities isn't a fetish. That's just normal human behavior.
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Probably for residual effects, just like when women try to coach men into being beta so that other women can reap the benefits. If yellow fever is taboo then guys with yellow fever will be pressured to commit to an Asian in order to prove how different they are from those other guys.
wile_E_coyote_genius 10y ago
This is it, and they want something to be OUTRAGED about.
gokurakumaru 10y ago
It's not a pressure tactic at all. Asian women will happily date non-Asian men, they just don't want to know they're dating a guy with yellow fever. It's frowned upon because women want to feel like a guy has picked them because they're different, not because they're interchangeable with their peers. It kills their self esteem.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
Not to mention that all of these Asian women fell for the same type of handsome Northern European white male.
As always, women know not the bounds of irony.
Elodrian 10y ago
It's not as symmetrical as you are making it out to be. There's a difference between a woman who falls for a handsome Scandanavian and one who exclusively seeks out handsome Scandanavians. The latter suggests she doesn't care about the person, she is simply attracted to that archetype. She would be objectifying Scandanavian men.
For this situation to be called ironic (double-standard more than irony), you would need to establish that any given woman complaining about his fetish exclusively dated white guys.
TheeRyanGrey 10y ago
I'm willing to bet many of these women
A.Have only dated handsome white men
B.Wish they had only dated handsome white men
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Think about it like you would a diversity issue. When supply and is high, the demand is low. If he only dates Asian women, they have to fight amongst each other for attention. If there is a mix, then she knows he will favor her as he has yellow fever. If it is all Asian women then there is nothing that makes them special. Makes more sense if you look at it like a business model. Gotta keep the demand high.
cdtCPTret 10y ago
I think this is on the money. Stated in anther way, given a 50/50 M/F population split, the Asian population is about 5%. Given 1000 available dating-age women, he would only even go for 50 of them. Over time John becomes pretty adept at "womanizing" this "niche". To the horror of the womanized, they find that they are only one part of his life (1/10th of a relationship and, to many, only 1/10th of the value). To amplify this horror, they find that they were never his "one In a million" girl or "one in (female dating age group ~20%) = 32 million". Instead they are "one in [32m*.05]=1.6 million." In a 1000-woman population of all ages population, he would only go for 5 of them whereas they dated him on the assumption that he would have gone for 20%= 200. So they don't hate him because he likes only fucking their race, but they call it "Yellow fever" to degrade him by making it look like he was the one degrading them because their value to him is tied probably for the most part to their uncontrollable race. Factor in to the discovery of being only 1/10 of the watered down value due to other concurrent relationships. Then multiply that 10 by 3 when you find out about the other cycles. [Asians are really good at math so they did this math all subconsciously and now they're pissed]. The result is that your value to John is 1/600th of what you thought it was.
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Metalgear222 10y ago
tRP math gets me hard. Good analysis. The irony is real though if they are also Asian women. I was under the impression the ones speaking in the podcast were white.
StManTiS 10y ago
Well you see the underlying problem is yellow fever exposes the truth. Women want to believe that a man dates them because they are smart, funny, charming, whatever. Yellow fever throws it in their face that the only reason they got this guy is physical appearance. They don't want to believe that.
through_a_ways 10y ago
It's more of the opposite, if anything.
Guys who aren't good enough to get white girls can often get Asian girls.
A girl wants a man who is attractive to other women, particularly the most valuable women. And the most valuable women are attractive white women.
So when an Asian girl sees that a guy only or primarily dates other Asian women, an alarm bell goes off in her head. Kind of analogous to what happens when an otherwise attractive man talks about using social game or manosphere stuff.
"Oh my god, is he unable to pick up white women?"
"Oh my god, is he unable to naturally pick up women on his own, without reading tips on the internet?"
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Eh, it could also be that he is attracted to their culture in terms of Asian women generally being more feminine and submissive - not just physical appearance.
ThisIsMyFloor 10y ago
A bit off topic; I was with a Brazilian (with Japanese heritage) just a few days ago and she was a lot more open with what she liked and what she talked about. I am from Sweden so everyone here is very reserved and I enjoy the openness more.
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That sure as fuck ain't her Japanese part doing the talking.
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This happened to me the other day with my current (asian) LTR. I've dated a mixed group of ethnicities but the asian women always make sure to upload pictures for status/social validation etc while the others don't. She called me out on this asking if I was a fetishist and my response was along the lines of -- what ethnicity was your last boyfriend? White. Oh, ok. How about the one before that? White... Ok. And your first boyfriend? White. And all the ones in between? ..... White. Ok, so what's the problem?
foldpak111 10y ago
I will never apologize for who I am (women sure don't). I just want to have fun and make money while simultaneously creating space for like minded individuals to come along.
moralprolapse 10y ago
What was here response? "That's different!" Or something to that effect?
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Tell me guys, how would you feel if you were an Asian looking son born to an Asian woman that only dated white men?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HB1krzeTwZ4/VYyRTTYATzI/AAAAAAAAAUM/Df0KJHWe0UM/s1600/cartoon.jpg
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Tell me guys, how would you feel if you were an Asian looking son born to an Asian woman that only dated white men?
Aerobus 10y ago
My theory is that they are too stupid to see their own hypocrisy.
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I'd have to agree. And my god, what about those white night, BP, pseudo orbiter hosts. I almost threw up in my mouth listening to their constant pandering. "Oh my god, that guy is like evil." Fucking wastes of space.
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Emotion clouds their logic (which is already atrophied for lack of use).
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Whisper 10y ago
No, they just need to open their mouths to John's cock.
The truth will then be obvious to anyone who's paying attention.
deepfriedcocaine 10y ago
I think they look better closed.
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incelmanlate20s 10y ago
r/hapas foots the bill for this behavior.
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malariasucks 10y ago
and to be fair, there's 4.47 billion asians in the world aka half the world.
WillWorkForLTC 10y ago
How many if you don't count India?
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pissoutofmyass 10y ago
In the UK, Asian commonly means South Asian. In the US, Asian commonly means East Asian. Not counting Indians as Asian makes no sense outside the US and Canada.
The women all engage in the same behavior. AWALT.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
Classic Asian (in the US) - date only white guys (or sometimes only black guys) while riding the CC, grab a same-race guy when they hit the wall for those BB.
It's so easy to see on online dating sites - younger Asians often say they "DON'T DATE ASIANS!" Older ones? "ONLY DATE ASIANS!".
And remember, we're not talking every single person, just propensity, and clear majority. So if you have that exception (as I do), good on you.
BlackHeart89 10y ago
In my area, I only see asian chicks with asian guys. That doesn't mean they aren't fucking any other race behind the scenes though.
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You have an exception? Nice.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
An on-again, off-again plate, yes.
Hatorader 10y ago
I've never seen an alpha white male dating an Asian girl. It's always some pussy ass pasty white faggot beta dating Asian women cause they go for BBs and the guy can't do any better. And I refuse to believe john is any different. I've heard of them but never seen em.
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through_a_ways 10y ago
He said dating, not banging
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through_a_ways 10y ago
You are not understanding my point.
The most desirable men will date the most desirable women. Tell me, if you had your pick of any woman on earth, who would you rather give your long term commitment to? A white girl or an Asian girl?
malariasucks 10y ago
and to be fair, there's 4.47 billion asians in the world aka half the world.
SnoopKittyCat 10y ago
I'm white and was dating an Asian girl who was only dating white guys, she was telling me how she thought white men dating Asian girls exclusively were pervs. :)
through_a_ways 10y ago
White guy who dates white women = alpha
White guy who exclusively dates asians = creep who isn't good enough to get white girls, so maybe I shouldn't date this dude
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the_red_scimitar 10y ago
This is practically the standard among pre-wall Asian girls. They go same-race when they hit the wall, most often.
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don't worry, asian guys are catching on to this... and they are ditching the post-wall asian women.
have fun
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
Yeah, I've seen some posts here about exactly that.
merkmerk73 10y ago
This is a recent thing and you can blame all the dorks who keep flocking to japan/korea/thailand/vietnam/etc. looking for asian girls because they're losers here.
SnoopKittyCat 10y ago
Fat losers flocking to thailand and thinking they have found the love of their life is not something new though...
merkmerk73 10y ago
I think it's more because of the triple triad (loves anime, loves video games, likes asian girls) dorks that have been going to east asia to teach english thinking they're going to clean house because they're white.
I saw these idiots when I went to taiwan and I know for a fact they're all over korea and japan
SnoopKittyCat 10y ago
I would be curious how successful they are... because seriously, even as an engineer, if you live in Korea or Japan you are still at the bottom of the barrel from what I heard, it's not Vietnam or Thailand.
merkmerk73 10y ago
Japan and Korea are a little different, but what I saw in Taiwan was basically the hottest girls did not date white guys.
The girls that were with white guys were the ones who didn't fit into whatever the normal culture is there.
ie. the taiwanese equivalent of hot cheerleader or model was not dating some white guy expat - they dated another high status taiwanese guy.
darkrood 10y ago
Well...As a guy from Taiwan and visited the nightclub scene. It's sad to see the old white guys getting dropped the moment young muscled chad Thundercocka arrived. It's a meat market everywhere. AWALT
Who would resist an upgrade even for white-fevered Asians? :)
RedditArgument 10y ago
As someone who has slight experience in Korea ane a significant amount of experience in Japan, the loser types are just as unsuccessful. In both countries there are popular foreigner areas that the girls interested in foreigners typically go to on weekends.
It's hilarious watching them (the loser I'll go to Asia to get laid types) awkwardly stand there sipping on a drink while myself and the one other alpha minded foreigner get the only attractive women. Local guys go to these areas too and they despite being asian (gasp) have more success than these hopeless fucks.
They probably get lucky and get laid with some drunk 5 once and then return to their home country and say "ahh dude I was just constantly having sex!"
That said, if you're attractive and white you get what I'd call the movie star effect in Asia. Let me just jerk myself off a bit here by saying due to this effect, getting women in Asia has been incredibly easy. It's much easier IMO to become top 1% here since most japanese guys don't lift, are shorter than you, and are almost always beta in mentality. Korea is a bit different as Korean guys are IMO much better put together in all aspects.
SnoopKittyCat 10y ago
That makes sens. I would extend that by saying that every French male, single, looking to date in Los Angeles will tell you that dating asian girls is super easy, at least for a short time, even for the ugly lame guys that had zero success in France, ask me how I know :)
RichieFinn 10y ago
my favorite part was when the woman voiced the guy at times and made him sound like some sort of retarded idiot......i mean cmon, he just played 10 women at a time without any of them knowing for a while, hes far from a retard...
also, has anyone searched that stephanie foo girl...i just did, and its blatantly obvious why she was offput by whoever was approaching her on social media, shes unattractive.
LinaIG 10y ago
The problem is that John looks like Hitler's wet dream. Most of us are far away from that ideal.
Hell, most men have trouble even getting laid with the average/below average women, I highly doubt more than a handful of the men on thered pill(or anywhere else in the world) can get one attractive Asian woman, let alone 4 at the same time.
This is only possible for a selected few of the man worldwide population. Women aren't attracted to bad boys. Women are attracted to good-looking men. If the nice guys looked half as good as John they'd have women, but nice guy = average looking dude who thinks he can get laid by being nice
You need to be tall or handsome, and being muscular only works if the guy has an attractive face. And most people don't have the genetic potential to have a big hulk frame. Remember: not all of us are obese, its not like lean people have the fuel to convert to muscles, or the genetic ability to cultivate body mass.
Come on, don't be unfair. Most asian women are not attractive. Plastic surgery is rampant in China and in South Korea and in Japan lol. Google Natalie Portman or Emmy Rossum. You'd decline a one-night stand with them? ;)
lono12 10y ago
The only way for an average looking guy to bypass the face requirement is to be an athlete in college or a club owner or DJ.
LinaIG 10y ago
And don't forget the smile requirement. A guy has to spend a couple of grands or more getting that perfect smile, and hair, and all of that. It sucks to be a man.
lono12 10y ago
Average looking guys can slay with ok smiles IF they have status. In social situations I believe status might matter more than looks
merkmerk73 10y ago
The whole 'asian fetish/yellow fever' is a shaming tactic. I have a strong preference for asian women and I've heard it a zillion times.
I just say I like pretty women and find asian women to be the prettiest and let it roll off. It usually shuts people up.
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His only mistake is making the girls he is dating think that he is exclusive with only them. Why bother? What does he have to gain? Why not just plate them and let them know he isn't interested in being exclusive. This would allow him to cycle through plates, instead of having a harem of 10 "girlfriends" blow up in his face and make him start over from scratch. As far as I can tell, this is the only real complaint these women have against him.
When the host asks, "why can't people have a preference for a type of girl?...some people prefer jewish girls". Her reply is "google image search 'jewish girl' and then google image search 'asian girl' and look at the results. What the fuck does that even mean? I guess her hamster was trying to say that asian girls are unique and special and only they are allowed to be fetishized or something.
Midnight_in_Seattle 10y ago
This is why.
aguy01 10y ago
I don't understand how these girls keep finding out the contact information of all these other girls.
Primemale 10y ago
I googled it...I'd go asian for sure, the jewess' just had massive noses
Venicedreaming 10y ago
I hope he doesn't play this trick in Asian countries. They don't take love fraud very lightly. He may end up getting thug beaten or acid splashed. This does happen in Asia. When you upset the local men and women, make too many enemies, you risk your safety. They don't have to play by the rules also
Luckyluke23 10y ago
yeah man... if they are going to freak out and he has to start again? why bother... tell them straight up, if they want him enough they will stick around.
reverse engineer the line " it was just your time with her" it can do the same for you.
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Yea, and Judaism isn't even a race.
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Why should he tell them he doesn't intend to be exclusive? Women branch swing all the time and their sexual strategy is inherently deceptive. If a woman cant land an alpha,her optimum strategy is to get a beta to raise a child that is not his.us males are under no obligation to he upfront ajd honest if it doesn't suit us in maintaining the amount of sex we want
Halfjor 10y ago
Dark Triad. This guys entire setup just screams it. He probably doesn't give a shit about what's easier or more efficient. It's likely that he just enjoys manipulating all these women. He wants to build a harem for the thrill of it. To exert control. Sexual power. Creating more attachment and the illusion of exclusivity makes it all the more fun for him.
Textbook dark triad. I would have no moral qualms about doing this. Despite that, I think just having the sheer energy to manipulate so many people is a sign. You'd have to have that intrinsic narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellian skill. Even if you have the skill to do this, which some guys on TRP surely do, it takes energy. It's not nearly rewarding enough for someone with a normal mind. Most of us want to enjoy our solid LTRs or have fun spinning plates. For a dark triad guy, there is no additional effort. Stuff like this comes naturally. It would probably be harder for this guy to stop himself from doing this.
dongpal 10y ago
women are the gates for sex and men for relationship. relationship is your power. tell them you give them relationship and they see how all the advantage of that. you bait them
ThorLives 10y ago
I think the argument being made was that Asian girls are highly sexualized - so any man who has yellow fever is really fetishizing their sexuality, while Jewish girls are not overly sexualized (therefore, you must like them for their personality or something else besides raw sex appeal, which is generally seen as "crass"). It's basically the "objectification" argument - which I think is a stupid and overly-vague term, since what they really mean is "overly sexualized".
Cold_and_Composed 10y ago
Google blonde girl or brunette girl. Both are completely "overly sexualized". They didn't arbitrarily pick 'Jewish girl' they picked 'jewish' because generally speaking Jews are not considered that attractive. You can pick almost any other race/hair color/country and you will find pictures of attractive woman. It fit their broken hamster argument so they used it.
RealRational 10y ago
I just did that and "Jewish Girls" had much more variety but really no sexy pictures and very few females even above a 5. Isla Fischer and Alison Brie being the 2 exceptions.
"Asian Girls" had pretty much no variety, they all look almost the same, but they were also pretty much all hot.
I don't know what affect this has on her inane comment but I'm sure whatever her hamster is the point is that "she's a special snowflake" and thus entitled and those other bitches aren't.... Despite the fact that the asian girls all pretty much look the same.
Elodrian 10y ago
The comparative image search is interesting. She may have a point there.
Aerobus 10y ago
Don't bother trying to understand the hamster. Any subgroup of women have a problem with men dating exclusively women from that said subgroup. It doesn't matter.
I agree it would have been more alpha of him to just let them know he wasn't exclusive, precisely for the reason you describe. Nevertheless, the important thing is he has no regrets.
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I'm wondering if he was in fact honest with him and never was exclusive at all.
When women start hamstering they make shit up. They may have "believed" they were exclusive just the same as some women think they are in a relationship once they bang a guy. ie. sex = bf/gf
It certainly is more efficient to plate them all as non-exclusive. I find it hard to believe they all required commitment before sex.
The thing is that when women are telling their side of the story and the guy doesn't tell his; the only thing we know for sure is that we know half the truth.
Aerobus 10y ago
At most half of the truth. You are correct; for all we know he may have been honest with them and they hamstered enough to believe they were exclusive.
_fappycamper 10y ago
Maybe he enjoys the thrill of keeping it up until they find out.
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5t3fan0 10y ago
think so too; feel like, maybe, its kinda cruel and wrong..... NAAH FUCK IT! ATTABOY, JOHN!
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Agreed. I bet it was unintentional when the "first generation" harem fell apart, but that he found that he liked it and kept doing it the same way. I'm getting some pretty strong whiffs of dark triad from him.
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Maybe he's going for a record but keeps collapsing at 10.
throwawayOP3841 10y ago
Does John have a job? I mean hats off to him, but I max at three girls.
I_AMA_Naughty_Boy 10y ago
Really? I have a wife, a job, and two kids and i can manage 4 to 5. I gotta be REAL selective though. Can't have them getting all upset and causing a divorce rape situation.
Before there's a bandwagon. I know marriage=bad. But when my first kid turned 5 and I was still with his mom I wanted him to have that sense of security and not feel different from the other kids.
ILoveSunflowers 10y ago
yeah, growing I remember fondly all my friends comparing our parents contractual obligations...
kingofpoplives 10y ago
Just to play devil's advocate, you can get women more into you when they think it's exclusive and they'll do more stuff for you and work harder to please you because they're more excited about "the relationship".
You can get that with open relationships, it's just less likely because the impermanence of it is right out front with the open status. Most girls will hold a bit back in that case, since this breaks the "prince charming" illusion.
That said, I agree it's better to keep it clearly open for reasons of personal integrity, and also to minimize drama and the possibility of a woman doing something insane to ruin your life.
HeadingRed 10y ago
"also to minimize drama and the possibility of a woman doing something insane to ruin your life."
Correction - hopefully minimize in some way a woman doing something insane to ruin your life.
Marsupian 10y ago
On the flip side when you are not exclusive they sometimes try to step up their game to get exclusivity. Ive seen the most ridiculous pleasing and partnering behavior when I was openly fucking other girls. Buying me shit, always making food, anal sex, spontaneous blowjobs etc. Only problem is when they find out its not working and they get all emotional but usually there is some orbiter in the picture for emotional support.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
I wrote about exactly that elsewhere in this thread. Your experience matches mine, and I'm still openly non-exclusive. I'd forgotten about the gifts, but yeah, that too. Definitely household chores, sex of all kinds (rough and kinky? no problem).
I haven't really gotten the "not working" since I went solo poly (i.e. I have no primary partner, and don't make a hierarchy of my relationships, which drives some of them nuts). Because they know the score with me before even the first date, I don't get this, but when I did have primary partners (meaning while still openly fucking others), THEY would, after some months, get bent out of shape. Sometimes rather spectacularly. This always gets a summary nexting - immediate, total, and permanent. I don't fuck around with disrespect from them, because they are totally informed and consenting. If they change their minds later, that's fine - go enjoy that newly changed mind elsewhere.
kingofpoplives 10y ago
This is true. It seems like the state of no commitment yet, but where she believes there is a solid possibility of commitment if things break right, is what triggers the ideal female behavior.
aguy01 10y ago
Yea the most power a man has in the relationship is before he gives his commitment. Just like a woman has the most power before she fucks a guy, and loses a lot of it once she gives up the pussy.
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If someone could just invent a pill that kept them perpetually in that state, civilization would be saved. :)
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CrazyHorseInvincible 10y ago
No morality lectures. Two week ban.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
May I weigh in? I'm an ethically non-monogamous guy, what they call "solo poly" now. I feel most people in this sub don't understand this as a lifestyle, and I'm afraid what you wrote as devil's advocate just isn't true. Not even close.
I do make sure everybody I date knows that I both date and fuck others, and that this is a lifestyle, not a "dating strategy until I meet The One".
The fact is, they compete mercilessly with one another. Example from just earlier this week: One plate I'd been seeing a lot of was seeming to get a little too entitled. So I made sure she knew I was going out with another plate (and by this, I mean, "can't see you, going out with X" - I use the name of my plate, since they even have briefly met one another). X is, by chance in this thread, Asian and pretty hot. She is super cool about it (any plate who isn't gets nexted hard). "Date" happens (X comes over to my house, we bang several times).
Next morning, first plate messages to ask if she can come over. X has left, so sure. Plate comes over, basically attacks me (sexually) - in a very good way. A rather rough (i.e. fun for both of us) session ensues. She hangs around the rest of the day, makes me food, squeezes fresh orange juice, cleans some stuff up, and works on my garden.
I'm not sure what "more into you" and what "more stuff they'll do for you" anybody could expect. Then again, X told me she wants a 3some and wondered if Other Plate would be interested. Imagine that competition.
RemyPrice 10y ago
I am also solo poly, and can confirm that honest communication about other plates can (and does) work in your favor.
kingofpoplives 10y ago
What is the split between women who act this way (buy into your frame and compete) vs women who leave when you tell them you are "ethically non-monogamous" because they are dead set on an exclusive relationship?
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
See, you think I surprise them with that -- I don't. It's very much disclosed before there is any date, so the preselection is 100%. All women who date me have had it made clear they will not be exclusive. Those dead-set on monogamy? I never date them. I've actually had some women who initiated interest practically beg and whine something like, "really? are you sure?" One straight up said, "one date with me and you won't want the others". Seriously. I wish I knew whether predisposition to non-monogamy was genetic, but I actually do think it is, and in fact, is the more common scenario. I think monogamy is a social by-product of the whole feminine agenda - the one they've been running on men since before Cleopatra.
Those who lie about being non-monogamous? It does happen. It's the same mentality some people go into a relationship with - to "fix" the other person. So, sometimes (rarely) one is sort of a stealth monogamy ninja (she thinks). When I figure out their mindset really isn't NM, I end it and don't look back, because the sheer drama such a person brings to the entire "network" of NM partners is damaging all around.
JackGoldsteinWrites 10y ago
It's a strategy, that's a strategy. Being up front is much harder initially, and much easier after. Being secretive is VERY easy up front because it fits into norms, but much more work after (plates don't ask you to eat dinner with their parents).
It's down to what you prefer, and what it takes for you to be able to look in the mirror - which is deeply personal, and anyway, not really what TRP is about ;)
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
This. I always ensure even before a first date, that a potential plate knows that I date (and fuck) others, and that this is my lifestyle, not a strategy to find "the one". It does weed out some, but I've been surprised at the outwardly "vanilla" girls who will go for this.
I don't need all that work of maintaining lies, and honestly, I find it un-manly to have to lie to women. They probably have to lie to me, but why on earth should I need to lie to them? It seems cowardly in the extreme. I suppose on the far end of that spectrum would be a truly DGAF attitude, as OP's Chad Thundercock seems to have, but I'd hope a real DGAF attitude means you also don't have to lie - because lying is definitely giving a fuck.
WillWorkForLTC 10y ago
Do you find that women who are trying to pull you over to the ''light side'' try harder than women who think they're already in a committed honeymoon stage relationship? I have a LTR so minimal experience with this comparison which is why I ask.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
At least two of those women became stalkers when I nexted them. One had to be removed from my place, where she'd never lived, twice by police. So, I guess you could say they were trying harder.
But most don't get very far - maybe 1 or 2 dates - before I can sense it. The one I mention above was about 5 months in when I realized she was insanely jealous of other plates, which in my world, is unacceptable. I always warn twice, and then I hard next if they don't change.
But as for that "committed honeymoon stage" - if they do feel that way with me, they are actually delusional, as was stalker girl from above. My dread game is real, as is my abundance mentality, and there is nothing I do that communicates anything but.
I used to have primaries - a main relationship, with side plates (all on the up and up), and the only trouble I've ever had was when those primaries felt more entitled than they had a reason to be. I've gone "solo" as a non-monogamist for some time. I do have a "main" plate, whom I see the most, but neither of us will label the relationship, since we both understand that the label is projection - the reality is, and only can be, what the relationship is NOW. Labels keep one from confronting reality.
Or at least, that's what I'm claiming ;-)
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bonerfleximus 10y ago
Unless they're all very whitewashed, Asian culture is a bit more reserved and you wouldn't be able to spin 10 hot Asian plates at once if you told them about each other.
I prefer the halfway approach of not committing but also not telling them about other plates. When you're with them make them feel like they're the only girl in the world, with the dread game coming in the form of them only seeing you once every week or so and you being mostly unavailable due to being "busy".
That way you're not a liar and they're free to let their hamster convince themselves they're special. You might not keep them around as long, but it avoids a chain reaction of losing all your plates at once like John did.
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This. Let their hamster decide what it needs to decide. Less information the better. One day they might be thinking 'oh my god he is sleeping with so many other women! I want him!' the next day they will be thinking 'He is all mine! I want him!'
It is because they are fucking crazy and irrational. What they need to think in order to want you changes from day to day. So leave it a mystery and let them fill in the blanks.
JackGoldsteinWrites 10y ago
Sure, you can be "not lying through omission", and that's also just a strategy. With the downside being you will either end up lying or being honest eventually anyway. It's a delay tactic.
In my view it's just easiest to straight up tell girls "this is just for fun." They may not like it, they may leave, but that's fine. That's the "paying up front to avoid drama later" thing. But if you like asian girls from traditional families, that is probably not going to work at all.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
Nah, if you can't be absolutely upfront about the fact you fuck and date others, you're playing the "female" game - it's what they do (lie about their other relationships). Don't do that. You want frame? When they ask "how many people do you see", be truthful and absolutely unapologetic. I was asked this by a potential plate just a couple weeks ago, and I told her (3). That was a first date, and it ended rather intimately.
bonerfleximus 10y ago
The thing is, they want to experience you on some level. The only thing stopping them is their hamster. You can give them that experience without upsetting their values, and they'll avoid asking questions. It's not deceitful in any way, it's a service to them in fact. By "being up front" you're denying both parties of a great experience
JackGoldsteinWrites 10y ago
Great rationalization.
And when they've experienced you, what comes next? The talk. Back to square 1.
RealRational 10y ago
What matters is the positive experience. The more positive experiences you have in life the better life you lead.
There does seem to be a prevailing, unspoken, idea in America that "anything temporary is bad", which is complete bullshit since EVERYTHING is temporary.
It does not matter if you create 1 or 1 million experiences with this other person, if you have the opportunity to create even ONE you should seize that opportunity. If circumstances allow you to create 2 and 3 etc... positive experiences with them then great! If not? Doesn't matter, still improved the quality of both lives.
bonerfleximus 10y ago
Bunch of bs. If you make the experience worthwhile and you're not being misleading but still avoiding commitment, they fucking know what's up. They have the option to rationalize it or soft next themselves. If they do move on its usually low drama. Like I said, you're doing them a favor by offering them an experience their irrational mind would normally deny them, while giving them an option of escape without feeling like they're at fault. If you give all your info up front, she'll have to turn you down even if it's what she really wants.
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Whats the talk? If they ask you to be exclusive, say no. If they ask you how many other girls you are fucking, don't tell them. Let them assume whatever they need to assume to make themselves happy. The talk is something men who allow their woman to frame the discussion have.
WillWorkForLTC 10y ago
Yeah lol. I was just going to reply to him and say ''nice hamstering buddy''.
ohhaio 10y ago
Au contraire my friend, I believe that TRP is exactly and only about what it takes for us to be able to look in the mirror.
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the_red_scimitar 10y ago
Good point. I don't think lying to women is something that promotes comfortably looking at oneself in the mirror. It's like lying to a child to get it to do what you want. If you can't command, as a man, that much authority, then you have to work on yourself.
Have the game to get the plates even when they know they are just plates. FFS, many of them LOVE to fuck the guy who is the exact opposite of what they pretend to want - that much should be obvious to anybody lurking here for a week. The forbidden guy, they guy whom they know they can't "catch" (in the way they want). Not all of them, but a hefty portion of the dateable ones have that. If they didn't, much of the standard PUA stuff wouldn't even work.
kingofpoplives 10y ago
This is so true. You see it all over women's online dating profiles:
Doesn't want to play games -- She can't resist guys that play games No liars -- She can't stop fucking liars No thugs -- Loves to fuck thugs No hookups -- She's always getting pump-n-dumped
It's like a textbook on psychological projection...
ohhaio 10y ago
I think TRP / this forum tends to understate the importance of "variety" or "unique DNA" to the female mating strategy.
I suspect, with my weak layman's understanding of the PUA bro-science, that's the reason for much of the female attraction... it's part of why peacocking works, it's why vacation / Paulo gets laid, etc.
Men are the same of course, always searching for the next / new girl. We accept it as a given for ourselves but seem to have a blind spot about it when trying to understand women's drives.
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I really don't understand why this guy is shamed for having preferences.
"I only date ripped jerks but don't you dare date only asians"
I really don't get it. It's stupid.
99639 10y ago
It's just flat out racism, courtesy of the prevailing sjw culture.
WordsNotToLiveBy 10y ago
"Scandinavian, muscular, attractive" = Okay.
"Cute Asian, Yellow Fever" = Gross, except if it's just me.
JohnnyGameGuy 10y ago
Yellow fever. Its not bad to be associated with a disease where sex is a side effect rather than the cause.
1independentmale 10y ago
It's especially silly considering most hot Asian women in the U.S. seem to date white guys exclusively. But the men are the ones with the "fetish." Right.
5t3fan0 10y ago
why should one even be ashamed for having fetishes and called names? all kindz of sexual repression nowadays
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While they talk about sexually tolerant.
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Every woman prefers to date white guys if that is an option, doesn't matter the race. White is the default. If you like something else then you have a fetish.
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RPactive 10y ago
Wasn't there a study done by okcupid that showed that yellow fever was more of a women's preference than a mans? That Asian women seek out white men more than white men seek out Asian women.
I pretty much only plate and date Asian women, I have got shit before for it in the past. This was before learning about TRP.
Be unapologetic about your sexual preferences and desires. As many have said, women will shame you in an attempt to put you in the beta box.
FLFTW16 10y ago
Asian women have Caucasian fever, or should I say cockasian fever. They love white cock. They are obsessed with white skin. I can't buy any sort of skin creme in this country because it all contains whitening agent and I don't want to whiten my already pale skin.
Women will do anything to shame men to get what they want. Usually the loudest screamers about yellow fever are fat hairy white feminists.
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redpillbanana 10y ago
I believe /u/MentORPHEUS referred to this as an "extinction-level event". I've managed to avoid it but it is a huge fear.
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 10y ago
Indeed I did, glad the term stuck. Recently my plate count hit 4 again, which was quite a logistical challenge of date stacking and keeping them from running in to each other. Literally see one off, change clothes, notice main GF pulling in to parking lot, quickly change to work clothes, talk to her while watching the minutes tick by, see her off, change again just in time to greet next plate. Next weekend wasn't so fortuitous, resulting in main GF leaving over a temporary plate, but damage was contained to one.
OP manages to spin 10 plates at once, lose them all, but quickly rebuild the harem of 10 not once but TWICE!? He must have mad plate spinning OR yarn spinning skills!
redpillbanana 10y ago
You're life is starting to resemble a sitcom! Sorry to hear that your main GF left.
It is impressive indeed.
I didn't listen to the podcast but for me it would only be possible if I were treating it as a full-time job, and even then, it would take me quite a while to build back up from extinction-level event to 10 again even assuming I have a long and promising pipeline that hasn't been compromised.
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MagneticJohnson 10y ago
you're underestimating how much girls love drama. and no way in hell did they think they were exclusive with the guy. he didn't have enough time for them for that illusion to make any sense.
CrazyHorseInvincible 10y ago
No morality lectures. Two week ban.
Trail_of_Jeers 10y ago
Wasn't there a sticky that said "keep your morals to yourself?"
There was! Fancy that.
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CrazyHorseInvincible 10y ago
No morality lectures. Two week ban.
Trail_of_Jeers 10y ago
You are new?
1) Keep your morals to yourself 2) Dark Triad. Try it, there's no going back.
jeffwingersballs 10y ago
One of the things I've learned from this thread is that women want to know the can have sex with someone, that validation, but are repulsed by men in which they perceive it as automatic and I think this is where the paranoia of the Asian fetish comes into play. If a man is only dating asians, then she sees him as an automatic lay and his smv plummets as she already has the validation that he is automatic.
Blackierobinsin 10y ago
Getting girls is kinda like the movie the matrix, you have to be the one like Neo
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CrazyHorseInvincible 10y ago
No morality lectures.
2 week ban.
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
Brilliant thanks !
"I'm John's silk laying penis ;)"
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Polaris382 10y ago
To me that sounds kind of awful. I highly value my personal time/space so much that even one woman usually (doesnt even have to be very needy) makes me feel suffocated and as though my life is being intruded upon more than I like. Im with a VERY high quality woman right now, and feel like I may be a struggling a bit to not take my aloofness/indifference TOO far to where I might push her way, because it would probably really behoove me to keep this one around.
I cant imagine "spinning" 10 "plates". Way too much of a time investment no matter how much they may completely cater and bend over backwards for you.
slurmfactory 10y ago
2 - god damn it. I have a reputation as a bad boy, but when I really like a girl, I revert to the nice guy stuff. Got me dumped or discarded more than a few times. When a "nice" babe likes me I assume I should be nice back. But being bad works soooo much better ;)
Trail_of_Jeers 10y ago
Frustrating, isn't it? My last LTR ended when I reverted. She cheated on me the weekend after I told her I loved her.
plenkton 10y ago
Pls fix: Fever is the EPISODE name, <Reply All> is the podcast's name.
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aguy01 10y ago
Big difference between spreading your legs for a man and seducing a woman.
Trail_of_Jeers 10y ago
You know, I wasn't going to report people, but after the third pussy-beggar revealing how little they know about human sexual strategy, hypergamy, and the sidebar, I am tired of typing.
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Hunter2isit 10y ago
Not true. My main now exclusive because fuck it I ain't got time for that was dating other people for a few months, but only fucked me. #2-4 were the same. Why is that ok?
I was the one with the sex drive, not them. If their drive was met and mine was not, I sought my needs elsewhere
women are the gate keepers of sex, men of relationships. In your post you beg-the-question about women having power over both, they do not nor should they, you are BP, you think they should. If you want equality in the sexes you need to realize it is a market with people trading for things. When you give one merchant everything for free, they will not trade with you anymore.
We all used to be like you. How is your sex life? Are you getting your needs met?
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WallyHotvedt 10y ago
uh, no. We'd recognize her actions for what they are, hypergamous, and drop her and re-plate without the anger or capital punishment. She is just being true to her nature.
See the "Dirty Sheets" post here
I just had #1 plate go full retard 3 weeks ago while I was on the road pursuing my passion and I invited her to go with me. During the 2nd evening she broke into my phone only see what she already knew was happening - that I dated other women - and saw texts that she didn't want to see and then she lost her shit and started getting physical and out of control with me. Ejected her out of my space and went home. I realized quickly that she was done as someone I wanted to see and moved on within 2 minutes, wish granted.
I got back to my house and promoted the gorgeous large chested Mexican girl who's been beating my doors down for a year who wants to cook and take care of me. No worries
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Aerobus 10y ago
Sexual strategy is amoral. Plenty of women manipulate guys to their advantage. Yes, many of us don't like it, but do we fault them for it? No. It's in their nature to be machiavellian.
We are not being hypocritical. In fact, if you read the lessons learned section, you will observe that no one put a gun to these women's head forcing them to date John. They chose to do so. Men and women today need to be cognizant of players and lying whores.
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the_red_scimitar 10y ago
This is true. And women are VERY conscious of their dualistic strategy, and their use of it. I've had more than one, in just normal conversation, straight-up describe the AF/BB strategy, rather proudly, and how they use it to manipulate guys.
I kind of thought morality shaming was now forbidden in this sub?
I swear, we still have people here who think the only valid strategy is finding The One, marrying her, having babies, etc. And most likely, being miserable, getting divorce raped, cheated on, and left supporting a family in which he is only marginally involved. They still see that as somehow "moral". The white knight is still strong in many of them.
foldpak111 10y ago
Social justice people talk about morality as if it gives them the high ground. Like, dude, we all know you are doing it just to feel better about yourself, not because you want to see change. This is TRP, we don't walk on eggshells around here.
Aerobus 10y ago
Morality shaming as you put it is forbidden. It is rampant in this thread.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
Well, apparently I at least understand what that means, because...yikes, it certainly is.
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jx234 10y ago
I play by my own rules. Anyway I didn't see that post.
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Men and women are different. A man thats a player becomes more attractive in the eyes of women. A woman thats a hoe becomes less attractive in the eyes of men. This is not a social construct. It is based in human biology and is instinctual.
foldpak111 10y ago
I've explained this to people and I mostly get angry responses. If it wasn't true, people would just laugh, maybe correct me before going about their day. The very fact that it angers people signals that what I'm saying has some merit to it.
LordHellsing11 10y ago
I'd like to see some evidence that slut shaming isn't societal. That's quite the claim.
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Think of it this way: what incentive do you have to raise a woman's child that you are unsure if you are the biological father or not? Humans are driven by the need to pass on their genes. Women know for sure that their children are theirs, men do not without DNA testing. A man who spreads his seed around is doing his best to insure the survival of his lineage. A woman who has sex with many men jeopardizes the provisioning for her children. A woman that isn't promiscuous earns the trust of her mate. A promiscuous man is trustworthy as long as he provides for his mates and offspring.
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Sluts have their advantages for sure. They're great for NSA sex and ONS. However, when it comes to finding a monogamous relationship where building a family is the goal, sluts make absolutely terrible prospects. Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior and a woman with a promiscuous past cannot be trusted to be loyal to her partner long term.
LordHellsing11 10y ago
But why is the logic exclusive to women? Why if a man is a whore does he not exhibit the same tendencies? You can just as easily say that based on that, male PUA's are just as bad for LTR. What makes men so different that negates stigma?
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Well in a perfect world where everyone is equal this would apply to men as well. But the reality is that the majority of women are attracted to players and bad boys that are good at bedding women. Thats just the way it goes.
trp_s 10y ago
Reminds me of [this guy] (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-3131709/Chinese-man-caught-having-15-mistresses.html).
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drummmergeorge 10y ago
He reminds me of myself, excluding the harem of course.
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They went shopping together for a couch wide enough for them to spoon together? Attractive women, I'll be the judge of that. *Edit: oh wait, on of his ex's says it herself. He dated anything yellow with 3 holes. ANYTHING
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CrazyHorseInvincible 10y ago
No morality lectures. Two week ban.
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Sherlock--Holmes 10y ago
It's a circle. Some alphas do it to them, and then they do it to the betas. I agree with you, it isn't necessary to be that way. Alphas can be leaders and monogamous.
FLFTW16 10y ago
I don't think anyone chooses to be a Dark Triad. It is mildly sociopathic. As the woman in the story said, she immediately wondered if he was a serial killer. Lucky for her he didn't like chopping up Asians, he just liked laying his pipe inside them.
DownInBlue 10y ago
Yup. Usually people don't chose to have mental or behavioral disorders. I am utterly baffled by all the positive and admirative comments in this thread though. "Such a player, bitches be hating"
Did they actually read the transcript?
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
While personally I agree that one doesn't need to lie to women to have plates and live the life, I also think you must have missed the rather large chunk of RP, which is essentially, "act like a Dark Triad". Which means far more than a "mild" disorder. It's just that women love that type.
Abusive? I think so, and it's not for me, but I can't really say that manipulation itself is wrong. I find it unnecessary, and I believe lying particularly to plates about relationships, is actually a frame loss, and a lost shit test. You entered her delusional "frame", after all, by telling her what SHE wants to hear.
So that's my problem with it, but I can't say that merely acting Dark Triad is wrong for an RP man - it's practically canon. And it works.
And remember: Sexual strategy IS amoral. This is also canon, which you should know. Women's sexual strategy is both amoral and is absolutely known to them - it is something they are conscious of entirely, and USE, just like a PUA uses what he knows of female psychology. I've had more than one date/plate completely lay out AF/BB strategy to me, and proudly tell me of their very amoral uses of it. I may not care to use it, but I can't fault men that simply use an understanding to get what they want. We all take away what works for us and what we can tolerate in terms of change to ourselves, but even if you don't like it, it would be wise to understand the wider picture of TRP in terms of WHY it recommends what it does.
DownInBlue 10y ago
I am not talking about morals. I guess I just fail to relate with people who need to lie and pull up such over the top bullshit just to get laid. It seems very delusional to be in awe of this particular individual. If we are to believe what these women said (and I do smell a little bit of exaggeration), this guy has a problem.
It's good to have game, and game is essentially manipulation, I consider it fair in the "guerre des sexes". But people shouldn't lose their perspective. Maybe this guy seems successful if one is a recovering angry ex-beta. But he is far, very far from being a self-respecting man, or an alpha...
The few valid takeaways from that whole thing being that bitches love drama, and that good looks will get you there... But maybe we already knew that...
Acheronian_Rose 10y ago
I agree. I mean yeah being a player is a choice, but on that scale? I've known a few people like this and they come across as manipulative to anyone around them, not just to the women they are with
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
Yeah, but look at things like the 48 Laws of Power, which has entered the RP canon. It's all entirely manipulation. Manipulation alone is not evil, or even amoral. Can it be? Yes, but it also appears to be one of the most common denominators of what our society considers success to be. (Example: 99.99% of politicians, to make up a statistic).
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LionLaw 10y ago
My favorite part of this story.
I loled, and I learned.
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Smart guy, and impressive. Good for him.
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On the topic of "Yellow Fever"
I would say there ARE men who fetishize asian women. Im not saying they find them attractive, but they have that dark foot fetish kind of desire for them.
Ive been with my girl from the asian persuasion and when she encounters one of these dudes they have the same odd openers.
"where are you from... like originally"
"Ive dated asian girls before"
"I bet you really like it here in the states yeah?"
She was born here and talks like a valley girl. But it is interesting to see them talk to her in broken english and use the same odd openers.
I have no doubt they target her because she is asian.
Long story short, yeah asian girls are hot, and "Yellow fever" is used as a shame tactic from obnoxious white women, however there are some fucking odd dudes out there who do have a fetish for yellow broads, and rather than be mature about it they are kind of fucking creepy about it.
yeoxnuuq 10y ago
Only mistake. Why did he not have his computer password protected. All women snoop when they are in your place. He is lucky she was only driven by jealousy and not other malicious intent. In this day and age no one.....NO ONE should have the passwords to your phone or computer. I NEVER leave my electronics unlocked and unattended around anyone.....let alone some AWALT nosy women.
Every time some chick ask why she cannot log onto my computer I tell her there is a guest account for a reason. Of course they piss and moan which unmask their true intent.
EvilPenName 10y ago
Bet you each time a few of the girls came back. Women love to think they are beating other women.
Histidine604 10y ago
Name of the podcast is Reply-All, Fever is the name of the episode.
lugubriusTRP 10y ago
Why would you let a plate on your computer. At most i'd let her use the guest account.
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This. Just tell her she can't use your computer, it's private. If you feel like an asshole doing that, then you have weak personal boundaries.
Or maybe say that it's your computer for work and has corporate/confidential files on it. "Sorry, it's company policy, babe."
8n0n 10y ago
You've already lost the security battle when you give up physical access to your box; plenty of lovely tools monkeys (herself or as a call to Orbiter Bob) can use via LiveCD or USB boot to crack open the rest of it. Plenty of other means to open it too, if not able to slave the hard drive in another box, but I'll spare you all a lengthy post.
If you really want to keep it secure; provide access on a separate box would do the trick while the daily is kept out of reach of prying eyes and fingers (hers and those in orbit). There are plenty of ex business machines cheap and capable enough for Farm Ville, and the frugal should have no issues with that cost vs potential losses from a compromised bank account and a jilted ex.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
Yup. I keep an old laptop with a guest account for ... well, guests (typically plates). They can see what each other has been doing, which I don't care about, since they already know I see others.
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8n0n 10y ago
Not at all, re-read from my post.
btw; my name is not Bob and I don't like to orbit.
manslutalt 10y ago
Ever heard of full-disk encryption? It works.
8n0n 10y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_boot_attack
manslutalt 10y ago
A cold boot attack is useless unless you give her unsupervised access to the computer while it's decrypted. That's not something you would do if security is important to you.
If you want to let her use a restricted user account you should also encrypt your own home directory.
RiseAboveRuin 10y ago
FarmVille.. Lol. Either you have some serious woman hating issues or you're trying too hard to put on a front for us. We aren't about hating women, only understanding how they operate. I genuinely enjoy spending time with the girls I've plated. If this is how you feel about women in general I have no idea how you enjoy yourself.
TheGillos 10y ago
Wow, you must really hate FarmVille.
RiseAboveRuin 10y ago
I'm not a fan of the jaded view a lot of you guys portray here. It shows that you're still butthurt from the last time a woman fucked you over. I fail to believe that patronizing statements like that were made by anyone that actually knows how to handle multiple plates.
TheGillos 10y ago
I fail to see what was jaded, butthurt, or patronizing about what /u/8n0n said.
RiseAboveRuin 10y ago
Perhaps you lack inductive reasoning skills then and don't understand the meaning of the words "Patronize" and "Convey".
TheGillos 10y ago
It's a stereotype that girls love FarmVille. It was a joke.
He might be overly cautious (or a bit paranoid) but meh, better safe than sorry.
I agree there are posts on here that match your comments, but not this one.
synaesthetic 10y ago
Sounds like he dates hackers !
TheGillos 10y ago
It's true. Pic of OP's main plate...
Rasenko 10y ago
I absolutely LOVE this quote. It's Perfect!
Jokoran 10y ago
Love this guy. All these women trying to force their frame on him. "Y-you can't do this! I-I'm going to tell everyone!"
And he's like "Yep," and does his own thing.
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Countpudyoola 10y ago
Good lord, bemoaning the fact that a guy has a preference. I guess it undercuts their special snowflake status.
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One bitch is enough work. If you're plating ten women then you seriously need a fucking hobby
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Agreed, although it sounds like he already has one.
redpillbanana 10y ago
If you're plating 10 women, then that IS your hobby.
And a fine hobby indeed.
RedDeadlift 10y ago
Not if you don't put in the work. The most girls I've plated at once was 3 and it was stress free because I had deep abundance mentality and I felt free so I was fun to be around. I would turn one down for sex because I already had another coming over. They could sense that I genuinely DNGAF and that drove them wild to impress me and I rarely had to put up with any shit test.
IMO - plating 1 girl is more work than 3+ girls.
Sir_Distic 10y ago
This is something I'm impressed reading. Thank you.
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The idea of dating one race exclusively being "icky" is so ridiculous. What's the solution? John should be obligated to sprinkle in a few dates with other races that he's less attracted to, just to make society more comfortable?
Good sign of someone being full of shit is complaining about something they don't like, even though it has no logical alternative.
Polaris382 10y ago
I dont get why they would care anyway. Since being in California, and I have encountered A Lot of women with a strong preference for White Men (I dont recall encountering much of that in the Midwest). I certainly dont take any offense to that.
moose_war 10y ago
Every asian girl who has found my white self attractive happily admits that "white guys are just hotter". Many of them exclusively dated white guys, and even happily settle for average white guys. Asian girls have white fever more than white guys have yellow fever.
The complaints about "yellow fever" are directed towards the fat anime nerds that put asian people on the highest of pedestals. Not white guys they want to bang. One of these girls even told me I could call her "chink" and "Gook" if i wanted (which i didn't, I find race play stuff weird as fuck, but there you go).
moltar 10y ago
I've started listening to this podcast, even before reading this post, but couldn't finish it. It was just so stupid listening to those girls rationalize and complain.
through_a_ways 10y ago
A lot of Asian women are creeped out by guys who don't date white girls.
The reason for this is essentially preselection.
Women like men when they see that other women want them.
Women like men even more when they see that attractive women want them.
Women like men even more when they see that white women want them.
White is superior and attractive, so if a man is able to land white women, he is of high value. If he isn't landing white women, he is suspect.
I should reiterate that this is probably true of the more attractive Asian women. The average or less attractive ones would probably feel satisfied just dating up, period.
slutnip 10y ago
One of my buddies is 51... hes spinning 25 plates right now (He told me 20 but he showed me his phone and within a 48 hour period he had texts from 25 women). He gets at least 4-5 1am texts every night.. weekends up to 10
Hes about to dump them all though and start over.
lugubriusTRP 10y ago
At that stage it's like a free escort service tbh, you have so much choice. How does he cater to all their needs if he has all those plates.
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can you elaborate on how he does this???
slutnip 10y ago
He walks up to a woman hes interested, says "hi" Asks her for her phone number and out on a date. He sleeps with her on the first night (my advice). Rinses and repeats
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is he hooking up with girls in their 20s or in their 30s?
slutnip 10y ago
18-early 40s
he has a 19 year old hottie thats a huge squirter now
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wow, do you hang out with this guy a lot, and how does he do this? honest question?
slutnip 10y ago
No, Im a lone wolf... Ive always done and will do my own thing
He, on the other hand, smells like money... He doesnt show it but women can smell it on him. He knows and understands red pill stuff but he's beta. With that being said, he gets marriage proposals from women all the time
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If he understands TRP, and he is getting laid, then he's no beta...
Good to know that if you have money, then you can get laid by 18 year olds when you're 40-50 years old. Anything in particular that he does with his game that's onpoint, or is he just subtely communicating that he has money, and chicks dig that?
Girls in their 20s aren't going to propose just because someone has money though.... unless it's like, more than 10mil. He's obviously has something else going for him besides the money, and I am curious waht that is.
slutnip 10y ago
you can understand TRP and get laid and still be beta
I know betas that get laid all the time...
alpha is attitude
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I can't get into Asians. The ones I've met smelled like fish broth and greasy scalp.
yummyluckycharms 10y ago
Im impressed that he was able to spin that many at once. I sometimes get up to 4 or 5, but thats just too time consuming and expensive. 2 to 3 is ideal and it helps prevent harem collapse
mbillion 10y ago
sounds like a little hero worship
the99percent1 10y ago
How the hell does one find the time to spin 10 plates and have time for themselves..
I do find this story hard to believe.
MagneticJohnson 10y ago
I know a dude who's had more than ten on rotation. some of them could be once a week, some could be once a month, some could be once every two months. the number becomes vague eventually, what qualifies as a plate? some are regulars, others are old fb swinging by now and again.
to some of them you're just that steady cock who won't commit, but it's safe, it's hot and it's secret and nobody knows. so when they're lonely they swing by and get their
holesneeds filled.all this is why you should never do a hard breakup. you never know who might pop in now and again. it's like you earn a pension.
RedDeadlift 10y ago
This. I've met girls at bars before. We bang and either they don't live nearby or they move so they're 1-2 hours away. Every now and then (every 1-3 months) they'll visit to mingle with their old friend circle and then bang me at night (loving that none of their friends know). With plates like this, it's easy to get up to 10. There is no maintenance involved other than some texts now and then.
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yes. and if you are good looking, it takes significantly less effort to keep girls in your rotation
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
I know a guy like John. He has no job (I think he might deal drugs), and seems to have infinite time to just go to parties, festivals, etc. Women flock to him. He has the time.
moralprolapse 10y ago
That's a dangerous game if they know he deals drugs.
thepillwastaken 10y ago
Goddamit I loved everything about this post. Thanks for the great read.
Deep_Fried_Foreskin 10y ago
Why is it that when a woman does what John did, you all call her a whore but when John does it, he's an alpha?
I've heard the key and lock analogy but I'm still not sure I understand this part. Please help unplug me.
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He sure as fuck needs to improve his email security though.
D3STRUCTI0N 10y ago
The male hamsters in this thread running wild. It's one thing to play women when they know it non exclusive its another to lie to them all make them think they are special some up to 2 years and continue to do it.
If a woman was "dating" 10 guys at the sametime you guys would be screaming AWALT but a man does it and its ok cheating is wrong man or woman. Making fun of the lady for snooping and exposing him like thats her fault, how many men out there are being cuckoled and don't know it because they won't snoop and are too trusting turn down the hamsters men please.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
Thanks for writing this. I've expressed the same thing in several responses in this thread.
I consider it the height of "female" logic to lie about relationships. They have no frame, we do (or we don't). Each lie to maintain a fictitious frame to a woman is actually a loss of frame. It's the type of weakness I expect from a woman.
For all the lip service about what a man is, when this subject of being upfront with one's personal dating strategy comes up, you get fear and fear-driven hatred directed at you (in this sub, ffs). In fact, look at other responses to your message? They all have excuses and reasons why THEY couldn't do this. And I believe them - they have work to do on themselves so they truly DGAF.
I could care less who else plates fuck. They want to fuck me, and I know how to make them keep wanting that. I don't have to be dishonest for a second, and THAT is actually a masculine and generally male trait, when it isn't hamstered away.
aguy01 10y ago
Your right from a moral perspective, but a man pulling this off puts him in the top 1%. Any women in the top 50% could do this with a fraction of the effort this guy put in.
Limekill 10y ago
Yeah - this.
A girl could literally have a new lover every night and it would be very easy to do. She have a vagina=attraction. All you have to do is swipe right.
For a guy to have ten girls it means he must lift, run a lot of on-line dating and tinder (come up with replies that stand out), earn $$$ to pay for rent and wear stylish clothing and pay for food/supplements. Plus he has to be able to even talk to a girl and face 100x the rejection she will ever face.
5t3fan0 10y ago
right! we aint approving it, but we must respect them skillz he has in the matter
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subjective. also morality police
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CrazyHorseInvincible 10y ago
No morality lectures. Two week ban.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3am1xj/final_warning_keep_your_damn_morals_to_yourself/
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RP is amoral.
Trail_of_Jeers 10y ago
We have no idea if he expressed a desire for exclusivity. Also male and female sexual strategies are different. The consequences of more sexual partners are different. Welcome to the one-and-twenty, chummer. Trad-con is dead
wile_E_coyote_genius 10y ago
So snooping on other people's computers is cool? Just want to be clear on your stance.
D3STRUCTI0N 10y ago
No snooping is not cool however using her snooping as an excuse for his behavior is completely incorrect. If i snooped through my wives(If I ever get married that is a pretty big IF) things and found a plan to kill me and dispose of my body you can't use that against me for taking actions to save myself.
Snooping is wrong but using that as an excuse for their behavior is a fallacy.
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D3STRUCTI0N 10y ago
I refuse to believe that to become "Alpha" you have to lose your morality.
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Of course you don't have to lose your morality to "become alpha". However, in this subreddit you don't get to tell people what their morality should be.
erpii 10y ago
The reason he has the yellow fever is simple: Asian women are easy.
Sadly however, this only applies if you have Aryan genes.
I work as an engineer and travel all over Asia and a friend of mine does the same. He refuses to lift weights, is really skinny and barely average height. What he does have is blue eyes, blond hair, pale skin and a good enough looking face.
And that's it folks, that's all you need to succeed in Asia. He literally swore off Western women after spending a few months in Asia. In the West he tried hard and was met with tons of rejection, in the East girls approach him instead. He's also very BP and has little game I should add.
Here we simply see a version of my friend who actually puts effort into looks and game. He is not a fetishist, he simply chooses to play it the easy way.
In places like Taiwan, anyone can get a woman, no matter your looks. Girls just want to get out of there. In places like Korea and Japan they're a lot more racist and only Aryan looking guys (Koreans like the blue eyes, while Japanese like pale skin) have major success to the point where they can get 10 of those girls at the same time.
Jswizzy84 10y ago
Can confirm as a former Navy guy. Americans do well overseas. A 140 lb Skinny version of me did amazing well in Japan. Here in the states I'm struggling and I'm 170lb and in the gym at least 3 times a week. I've never looked better in my life but that skinny version of me in asia did so much better despite having zero muscles and being rail thin. It's really a different game entirely. Oh I do have blue eyes by the way.
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watersign 10y ago
how do you think a jew with green eyes, light complexion and very italian looks would do? im not italian btw lol
genuinely curious..im not aryan nor do i like asian girls but just like to hear your opinion
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erpii 10y ago
Correct about the skin tone. They have umbrellas with them for every season. Funny to see them use it to counter the sunlight.
watersign 10y ago
yeah i totally get the skin tone thing..its the same shit in italy..all the shit skins (sicileans) are looked down upon by the aryan (real italians)
i make alittle above the average US salary and work as a financial analyst so i guess i'd be alright lol
lono12 10y ago
lmao what kind of bullshit is this?
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fittitthroway 10y ago
What are jewish girls like in your culture? Do they keep any religious practices?
watersign 10y ago
just like any other western girl..some (a majority) are whores..the elites tend to be a bit prudish but its a mixed bag and many jews have fathers who are aryan so it varies quite a bit. depending on the region some are very religous
fittitthroway 10y ago
Didn't know that about aryan fathers. What the heck?
watersign 10y ago
yes..many jewish women marry goyim lol. its quite common for a well to do WASP to marry a jewess and vice versa from what ive seen. i worked with a kid at my last job (big f500 company) who looked about as anglo-saxon as could be but his mum was a jew.
fittitthroway 10y ago
Do the older generation of jewish and wasp people get upset about that?
watersign 10y ago
id say more so if the son marrys a non jew..if the moms a jew the kids are defacto jews. when the well to do wasps do it, its more of a business type of transaction in my opinion..elite families get tied into one another..its how the jews have been controlling the UK for hundreds of years
fittitthroway 10y ago
So are the jews really good at having power and controlling other people?
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balalasaurus 10y ago
Notice the double speak here. Even in admitting her own transgression, she shifts the blame onto him - "I fucked up, but it's still his fault".
Lesson to be learned: a woman will not accept responsibility for her actions. It runs counter to her narrative of being a victim. For that reason never expect her to admit that she's wrong. Instead demonstrate that you are right.
Venicedreaming 10y ago
PSA: don't do this in Asian countries. Vengeful harem of women will ruin you. There are lots of ways for them to do that in an Asian country. (Hired thugs, acid splash, poison, ect.) The justice system will not favor you, as you cannot navigate the corrupted system as well as the locals. Also, this behavior is highly frown upon by the locals. You will risk your safety
Hunter2isit 10y ago
HOW THE FUCK DID HE HANDLE 10?! Jesus I was over loaded at 4/ week... couldn't do it. Props to this man, I do not have the energy for that workload. ^^^^^I ^^^^^didn't ^^^^^read ^^^^^the ^^^^^transcript
redpillbanana 10y ago
Personally I've found that 10 or more is a full-time job; either you're not working and spinning plates full-time or you're working double shifts every day.
There was a period in my life where I did nothing but eat, sleep, hit the gym, and chase girls. Even then, I found 10 to be very difficult to maintain. I was completely "fucked out".
CSMastermind 10y ago
4 is also a max for me (actually 3 seems to be about what I can normally handle without getting annoyed) but I'm probably in some stage of talking to 10 or 11 girls at a time. Any time I think of something flirtatious I'll just copy and paste and text it to all of them. You can usually maintain entire conversations just saying the same thing to all of them.
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this guy is very muscular and attractive. he probably needs to put in less work to keep women around.
MagneticJohnson 10y ago
you don't have to see every girl every week
Hunter2isit 10y ago
I just mean in the keeping the dish warm convos. I can handle the sex part, that is easy but keeping them warm was way too much work. But having multiple regulars and not ONS's was new to me so maybe I just needed more practice.
Wolfwoodd 10y ago
That was my thought. 10 seems a tad unrealistic. 4 tops for me, but i'm a bit of an introvert and I need a few nights off during the week. Still, it sounds exhausting. You'd need to be constantly finding new girls to keep that up.. as your flake-out rate would be pretty high if your availability was that low. I'm assuming he's seeing these girls once every 2 weeks and keeping texting to a minimum.
RichardPalma 10y ago
I've peaked up to 10, but yeah, it was impossible to find enough time. First of all, most, like 6 of them I would only see once every 2-3 weeks, and kept shit going through text. 4 is really more manageable, even then I'll have 2 I only see occasionally.
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This is what I was going to say. When I was at 5, one of them was something long term from >10 years ago and we'd see each other every few months when I felt like it. Another one was non-stop texting me but I only replied once every few weeks for a bang. The other 3 I was spinning carefully.
10 is pretty amazing though.
Could you even remember their names and faces?! Or would you just invite one over and be like 'oh its the brunette with glasses... cool'
RichardPalma 10y ago
I definitely remembered all the names and faces. 10 isn't ready that many, I mean I have more friends than that in my main circle of people I hang out with. I would call all of them "baby" as a pet name so doesn't matter who I was taking to, I'd say "baby" and be right. I did cross the names once in text, but I kind of recovered saying it was early and I was just waking up (which was true) and confused (also kind of true, she called me by a pet name the other one only used, she just picked it it if the blue, so I saw the text and thought I was taking to the other).
I will say, while some girls were just whatever, many of them were really important to me and I still think about them a lot. I text some if them now and then, and if I wanted to get with them I could and have, but I don't keep them in my count if who I'm dating. You need to be talking more than one a month to be dating, imo
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Cool. Yeah you are probably right. When I count any girl I find attractive who is willing to have sex with me, I'm really just trying to feel validated. It really shouldn't count. And I shouldn't be getting my self esteem from the number or appearance of women I am seeing. Still working on that :-/
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RichardPalma 10y ago
I do that (they ask know I'm poly and at least dating others) but really I still feel 10 is to much. It's not really "hard work" but that I personally feel like I don't get to spend time with them the way I want to.
newjerseykita 10y ago
The only way i could see it working is if it was dan bilzerian style. But how many people actually can live that lifestyle.
TheRepressedTruth 10y ago
I want to know just what pictures this guy had on his profile, and I'm guessing he is in a major city to be able to just run through so many girls.
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Trail_of_Jeers 10y ago
Yes, I am fapping furiously to the phrase plate and pics of your daughter.
Mostly the pics of your daughter.
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What do you suggest we refer to it as?
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