I came across an article that Rollo linked in his latest blog today that I thought would be a good read for you guys...especially you guys who still, in the face of all of the evidence, are actually contemplating marriage in the year 2015.
First a link to Rollo's blog, which is an excellent read in it's own right:
http://therationalmale.com/2015/03/31/wives-lovers/
Then, he links this article in the "Myth of Mismatched Libidos" section of it:
http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/a31760/balancing-mother-and-wife/
Reason being, simply, it's from Good Housekeeping magazine, which I never fucking read and I imagine a good number of you don't either. Text is below with some of my editorializations.
I'm 99% Mother and 1% Wife — And It Has to Be That Way
Already off to a good start in the title, gentlemen, aren't we? Don't be surprised when you're getting 1% of the sex after the first fuck trophy pops out.
When my husband, John, and I were newly married, we bought a chihuahua and named him Prancer, as he looked like a reindeer.
How I loved him! He had a wardrobe to rival mine, a custom-made house indoors (for fear he'd get a chill), was hand-fed chicken, and graced our holiday cards. Prancer, I mean, not John.
Already, even before the kids arrive, her dog is a bigger prize to her than her husband. Let that sink in for a moment. She can't be bothered to cook a meal for her husband John, but she can build her dog project houses and hand feed it chicken. This is, essentially, the crux of Rollo's point, but from the mouth of a hamster. Once she's locked down her Beta, that's it. Provisioning secured. On to other things more interesting than hubby beta boy.
Then I got pregnant. A friend with a daschund and a toddler warned, "When the baby comes, you won't care about the dog anymore." I said that was crazy talk.
By the time our son was six months old, I had given Prancer to my mother. "He deserves someone who can still dote on him," I reasoned. My mom delighted in spoiling him; I more or less forgot he existed.
And again, on to bigger and better things, like the kids. We just listened to this loving wife author tell us how much she adores her pet chihuahua, yet she discarded the dog like a dress she'd outgrown. Now, remember where Prancer was on her hierarchy of importance (the top), and where hubby John was. Now let that sink in for a minute.
Years later, John and I have three kids. I wonder why nobody gave me this head's up: "When you're half dead keeping three humans happy, you won't care about your husband anymore."
Yes, I just compared my husband to a dog. But stay with me here.
Finally the hamster connects the comparison it's just made. More running on the wheel to come, I sense this fluffy little bastard is about to wear it's claws down to the nubs.
I've come to realize I'm a crappy wife.
I put John last, pretty much all the time. And it's not like he's a bad guy — far from it. He does the laundry, grocery shopping, cooking, makes the kids' lunches, even braids my daughter's hair. He often compliments me, and regularly asks if we can go away, alone, for a weekend, or at least out to lunch.
Remember what Rollo talked about in "Choreplay", which is the bullshit myth that if a husband does chores around the house he will be rewarded with sex and affection. Resist the urge to slap the next bitch who says "the sexiest thing a man can do for his wife is the dishes." The truth is she stopped seeing you as a sexual being not long after you said "I do".
She doesn't even want to entertain his company for lunch. For lunch! Even sharing a meal for less than an hour is a repulsive thought to her. Too "dead" I guess, right?
I tell him I have no time for leisurely lunches, let alone two entire days away. I can't be bothered to figure out who is going to take care of our kids, pack, unpack, then scramble getting ready for Monday morning.
Vacations? Forget about it. She can't be bothered. I recently saw a TV commercial a couple days ago for Choice Hotels, in which they cite a statistic that a total of more than 4-million paid vacation days go unused in the United States today, and now I think I know why. So get ready married men: not only are the weekend flings to Las Vegas going away, you'll be lucky if you get to sniffs a dwarf's ass at Disney World. Mommy's just too tired to be bothered.
At Christmas, I blow an insane amount on the kids, then someone will ask "What did you get John?" Oh, yeah. What I wind up grabbing at the last minute is usually as personal as if I'd be shopping for his boss.
Ever wonder how the stereotypical "dad" gift is always socks, underwear, or a lame fucking tie? It's because after doting on the kids with video games and designer jeans, your wife doesn't give a shit to put thought into your gift, that's why.
Your reward for your hard work as a loving father is something you fart into, or maybe something you'll eventually use to hang yourself from the ceiling fan with.
I stay up late, nearly every night, and creep into bed after he's long asleep. The next morning, I'm up and at 'em before he can roll over and give me a hug.
So not only would 66% of wives rather read a book in bed than fuck their husbands, it looks like there's a percentage above that that doesn't even want to do the laying in bed with him part. I bet she lies down reeeeeaalllly soft after he's sleeping. Wouldn't want to endure the paralyzing horror of waking him, would we? He might get frustrated and marriage-rape her, right?
I've spoken this sentence to John. "Let me be clear: If I have to choose between you or one of the kids, you will lose every time. Do you have a problem with that?"
So the marriage shit-tests were flying in no time flat. Got it.
Why am I such a biatch? Here's my excuse: I'm exhausted, mentally and physically.
For most of the last 10 years, I've been the breadwinner. I worked long hours commuting into Manhattan full-time. Now, John has a job, but I still commute, and also work from home trying to keep us ahead of the bills.
My older son is in college, and I will save him from student loans or die trying. My younger son has some special needs, and keeping him on track is a full-time job. My daughter, like any 11-year-old girl, wants her mom to listen, to watch, to help. The clock is ticking on her innocence, and I dare not miss a second of what's left of it.
I am tired, and I am worried. Worried there won't be enough. Enough money, enough luck, enough time, enough of me. John's a great dad, but I play a singular role in each of my kid's lives. And as they've grown, the urgency to get it right screams at me, day and night.
But I thought this is what the modern woman wanted, honey? You're a hard-working "career womyns" who's "doing it all", right? So what the fuck are you bitching about? Your fore-sisters fought for your right to be a life-sucked cubicle drone, so what's the problem? I thought gender roles were just social constructs, right?
Pay attention, you aspiring stay-at-home-fathers to be. For as much as we hear about how acceptable it is for a SAHF while wife goes off to her cubicle hell "career", for all of society applauding you for embracing your new-aged emasculation of diaper changing and building popsicle stick houses, there is one person who will absolutely hate your guts for doing this. You have handed her all of the control, all the frame, all of the responsibility, and like our author, it will destroy her inside. She is not built for it, but will never admit it. Instead the fault will be projected onto the easiest target: you.
The ship is going down, and I've only got three life jackets. Who am I going to give them to? John, you learned to swim a long time ago, right?
Boy, this woman just keeps getting more and more pleasant. Hold on while I Google Map "wedding chapels".
You've said you feel like a second-class citizen in our family, and for that, I am sorry. You deserve better than me, you do. I hope that on some level, you know that the reason why I am the way I am has nothing to do with you. I love you, believe it or not.
"You deserve better"..."it's not you it's me"...these are the rationalization every girl uses right before she is getting ready to leave you. I'm sure many of you have heard these lines before...right before she dumps you for being "too safe", right before she runs off to fuck Chad T-Cock.
Only in this case, it comes with a nice helping of divorce rape.
When the kids are all off enjoying their successful, happy lives, and the two of us are left looking at each other, please, please, ask me to lunch.
It'll be my treat.
This last part is just to make sure he stays fully in his beta paradise, to keep him so he doesn't, I dunno, start looking up gym memberships and making dating site profiles. At least until she's ready to sit him down to have "the talk". Over lunch, of course.
GarandTheftAvto 10y ago
I love how she puts "career" in quotes. The greatest lie told to legions of young women is that having a white collar job will free you from systemic oppression of women.
No. You just gain entrance into the male centric office world where instead of your body being the commodity like it is on the outside, your soul is gradually sucked out through your labor.
SeekingTheWay 10y ago
I do an office job and I am perfectly happy doing it with great colleagues, generous paycheck and interesting work. What's not to like. While AWALT is true, AJALT is certainly not (J for jobs)
Find a job you like, then do it while you still like it.
SuperSlavisWife 10y ago
Something I've noticed about men in awful jobs and women in awful jobs: the men, in my admittedly few years on this planet, never blame the women for cubicle hell.
Regardless of whether she's working full time and taking the housework 100% on board or staying at home doing nothing at all, regardless of whether he's in a job that's just long or tiresome hours or in a job that is draining his soul, stressing him into hernias and driving him mad, he will never blame her for his pain.
If anything, the suffering makes him want to make her happier. He sees how bad it can be and, like a parent with a child or a son with an elderly relative, says "I hope she never, ever has to suffer like this." And he keeps going to make sure she can be free and happy.
Women in the same situation don't cope half as well. Even if they're working part time, their man is working full time, they have no kids and they split housework evenly, she carries her work stress home and offloads it on him.
It's so pervasive you can't argue it's cultural. Women are biologically less able to deal with daily stress and biologically incapable of being stressed and nurturing at once. The work environment and work load of the modern world is not female-friendly. And there isn't much we could ever do about that without making jobs ridiculously ineffective. Stress + Ovaries = No Good.
ostroman1989 10y ago
Solution: get married under favorable legal conditions later in life and get custody of your sons while neyworking with like minded men Point blank refuse to be a provider or ever skip back to betahood no matter what
Once you got the kids with this particular woman you win you might even plate herm I've seen tgus with my own eyes
NotQuiteRedPill 10y ago
These women are the fucking worst. It doesn't help that I just read another thread from /u/confuzzledwife or whatever her name is, that started the giant deadbedrooms fiasco. LOL.
mayonesa 10y ago
Make yourself a beta, and you have signaled lower value.
Neither spouse should be doing all of the work, but a man also has the day job.
Luke631 10y ago
And yet Rollo is happily married with child.
If you get married, it's all about setting and maintaining the right frame throughout the marriage.
real-boethius 10y ago
Agree this is important but...
This is a bit like saying riding a motorbike is about knowing the conditions and defensive driving.
Sure, to a point, but the fact is that the degree of difficulty is high and you cannot control all or even most of the risk.
While maybe 50% of marriages end in divorce a lot more end in betaization of the man. The percentage of marriages with vibrant sex lives after ten years is low single digits.
Revo_Luzione 10y ago
Riding a motorcycle is a great metaphor for marriage. Both are inherently fragilizing. Both also have inherent risks and also inherent advantages, and thus when one engages in either, the risks must be assessed, mitigated, and still be prepared for a potential blowup.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
Rollo is the exception that proves the rule. He's mastered frame to a level that many of us either cannot or will simply choose not to want to achieve on a daily/weekly/life-long level.
theultmatecad 10y ago
MRP 2000 members
Gotta be fifty guys there doing it right
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
And there's a small subset of gambling card readers taking Vegas for all it's worth. [Think you have the chops?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_(2008_film)
theultmatecad 10y ago
Men who found RP after marriage have a choice. That's what I meant.
Luke631 10y ago
Off topic, but just for reference, those M.I.T. teams and other teams did not take that much money off the casinos. The book "Bringing Down the House" that supposedly tells their story fictionalized just how profitable those teams were. Just goes to show that even with proper card counting and a huge bankroll, it's not really worth it. In fact, casinos love these rumors and actually want people to think that they can beat the house by counting cards. How do I know? Well, let's just say I've got a story for you...
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Bellum00 10y ago
Women tend to overestimate the time it takes to run a household. You have a maid and almost everything is automated, so it takes about two hours each week to keep a clean house. You can alternate cooking and helping with homework, which takes an hour each day tops.
Women also tend to underestimate what children can do for themselves. My coworker just said she gets up at 5h45 to leave for work at 7h30 (1h45). The reason she gave was "getting the children ready". When I was six years of age, my father would order me to get up, wash at the lavatory, put on my uniform and have some breakfast. He would then take me to school (total 45min). That's a one hour difference each day, which is about the time it takes to cook or help with homework.
Put your foot down and raise some self reliant children who help around the house.
trplurker 10y ago
My parents didn't even go that far. In our home it was the oldest child's responsibility to ensure the others were awake, dressed, fed and at the bus stop to get on the school bus. It was also the oldest kids responsibility to make sure all the others did their chores like cleaning the house, taking out the dress, cleaning up after dinner and so forth. And if my mother was tired and father was out, it was also the oldest child's responsibility to prepare dinner for the other children. At first this was my elders responsibility, then after they graduated it become mine until I graduated upon which it fell to my youngers.
Having all that extra responsibility really prepared me for the real world when I got out, it also granted my special privileges like later bed times and staying the weekend at my friends houses.
Overkillengine 10y ago
And this will happen regardless of their background. Hell the ones from a "good" background have even more incentive to lie to your face since they have more social pressure to keep up appearances.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
Yes. It is a foolish notion to think that divorce and shitty marriages are exclusive to the domain of the poor and lower class.
PlusGoody 10y ago
In terms of shitty marriages, who knows what goes on behind closed doors, but divorce has a dramatic inverse correlation to social status. Educated, well-off people divorce at rates that are 50%+ lower than the poor and less educated. And when you consider that the poor and less educated marry less to begin with, the math is grim.
ta--df8d71f0 10y ago
Newbie with no karma, and I don't need it. But perhaps you or someone else on TRP could give this a look over and pass it around. It's called "Screw the Bitch: Divorce tactics for men" by the famous Loompanics outfit, written in 1991.
http://libgen.org/book/index.php?md5=8E75829E0EA3722F5491D54D10A48BF5
synadmin 10y ago
Holy shit. Where did you find that? I just read the first chapter and its full on TRP...from 1991.
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rpscrote 10y ago
Begins with "as a woman." Literally uses the phrase, "Not all women [are/think] like that"
Oh, honey.
elcarlosmiguel 10y ago
Being attracted to a Men is not a choice, this girl is clearly not atttracted to her husband and it is his fault. don't think you can rationalize into liking someone that's probably what she did to marry him and it wasn't a good choice.
Yeah but you are so special and way more intelligent than this girl right.
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elcarlosmiguel 10y ago
You are the one not understanding.
1- if she is ignoring him, obviously she doesn't feel attracted to him, she even waits untl he is asleep to go to bed and then is the firs one to wake up( attempting to run from sex)
2- In our society it' "wrong" for a girl to leave her husband especially if he is caring (wich he seems so) just because she no longer feels attracted to him. Because a marriage is supposed to be about love.
. she is paintng the picture as she is not good enough for him because she can only care for her kids
4- she's preparing people around for the final strike ( she asking for divorce) and the reason will be because she "feels" like she is not good enough for her husband and he deserves a girl better. she will cry and all that
. concluding she will be free of her unatractive husband and will be able to seek a higher value mate. And the funny thing is that she's probably not aware that she's doing this, like she knows it deep down but she will deny it for herself because in her mind she is just a nice caring mother and if she was aware that she was being a manipulative bitch, her self image would be destroyed.
Jehosh 10y ago
Well, fuck that shit.
God... the Hamster is strong with this one. Jesus Christ, what kind of self-respecting guy would stay with a cunt like this? She's publicly announcing that she doesn't love her husband, and that maybe she might take him on a pity date years down the line. I can't believe that less than a year ago, I was okay with shit like this.
balalasaurus 10y ago
Congratulations. You are now aware of reality.
Jehosh 10y ago
It was one hell of a wake-up call.
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watcher45 10y ago
Sounds like shes fucking her boss on the bathroom while the husband is at home with the he kids.
xdrunkagainx 10y ago
The sexiest thing a man can do for his wife is say NO!
ChildOfTheLostTribes 10y ago
Is this where I say don't get married or have children?
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faded_jester 10y ago
It sucks that so many men have to learn the hard way. I try and do what I can but that line about "people being so entrenched in the matrix they will fight to stay in it" has proven to be remarkably true. For me personally the best way to show them that there is a better way is to live it. If they truly want out eventually they will ask how I "did it".
MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
I tell guys to talk to married men before they get married.
ForcesMTAria 10y ago
Holy shit, I've got nothing important to add but that entire article made me sick to my fucking stomach. Imagine being in that guy's shoes, it's fucking humiliating.
GhostOfAladdin 10y ago
That guy should openly use a fleshlight with his wife in the bedroom.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
I honestly don't think she'd care. It would repulse her more than make her jealous.
GhostOfAladdin 10y ago
Least he would experience...he sure as hell isnt now.
rpscrote 10y ago
I would go fucking ballistic on any woman that talked about me this way. Her ass would be gone so fast it would make your head spin. The complete lack of respect. The relentless shitting on the husband. Even the Matrix-unaware me would never take this kind of shit. Of course, I'd never let it get to this point. Nowhere near.
FlashGorden 10y ago
Don't be manipulated by this post. It's completely begging you to feel that way. It might as well say she drowned his childhood puppy and shit on his dying grandmother. This isn't representative of anything.
rpscrote 10y ago
dunno man, to me, I'm not the audience. It seems like a "you go grrrrrl" divorce-porn rationalization piece for post wall hags, considering the author and magazine in which it was published.
SoldierGenerale 10y ago
Don't women realise they should always put their husbands before their kids? Seriously, if the mother/father relationship is great it will benefit the children.
John needs to divorce this old hag and then she'll find out how important it was to place her husband first.
Rhenthalin 10y ago
Because neglecting the father of your children is a wonderful example of how to have a relationship for your kids to follow.
killego 10y ago
This is a tangential point but this:
is very annoying. Modern American parents think their job is to make their kids happy for some reason. No, their job is to provide security, guidance, rules and comfort.
This obsession with making sure their kids have a perfect childhood makes the parents extremely neurotic and over-involved.
Good parenting is like being an Alpha. Your life needs to be in shape if your kids are going to have any hope of having good parents.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
What you describe already has a name:
Helicopter Parenting
"Perfect" childhoods lead to children growing up to be shitty human beings, ill-equipped to handle the challenges of the real world.
This "Helicopter Parenting" is definitely what this woman is doing, and she's not doing her kids any favors.
BluepillProfessor 10y ago
We had an entire 1/2 day workshop on dealing with helicopter parents at my school.
trplurker 10y ago
It's projection, she didn't like her childhood and feels she can relive it through her own children. It's a doomed cycle because the children become horribly people not capable of functioning in the real world where there is no mommy or daddy to do shit for you.
killego 10y ago
that's exactly what the book The Drama of the Gifted child says. I just read it and it was eery how it described my parents so accurately.
Also to me it seems like this rise in helicopter parenting and other behavior like that described in recent the "Small Dog Syndrome" post correlates to a rise in narcissism.
NightGod 10y ago
Yes, gods forfend that your little angels have a bill to pay when they're adults. My kids asked me how they're going to pay for college and my response was, "with student loans, just like me-and that's why you need to pick a degree that will actually make you money".
gisdaman 10y ago
I would like to use that response in the future, but I'm going to have a vasectomy soon before I activate my game.
CoriolanusRevisited 10y ago
I have an even more brutal response lined up for my future children's college education, and that's the GI Bill just like dear old dad did.
NightGod 10y ago
My daughter is a 68W.
I served in the 90s in the Reserves, which means I had pre-9/11 GI Bill and was too stupid to use to back then, so student loans it is for me these days.
NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
Nature gave us a Heirarchy that we ignore at our peril.
The post is long about how the Beta simply is blind to natural order and allows himself to be treated as a child.
The primary difference between Beta and "all of us" is that we see that nature demands:
Men love women, women love children, children love puppies.
Why would we think a woman would be sexually excited by those below her?
Prince Charming is a massive "mind rape"... it's wrong. Upside down.
Women that don't Charm men are always secretly preparing for Divorce Rape. (or Hypergamy)
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Wow this almost made me sad. It's almost an annoyance to her this guy exists, like a necessary evil.
Good thing that thanks to TRP we will all avoid these situations now. Never get married, there are NO benefits.
WallBender 10y ago
Sickening. But thanks for the analysis. Well written despite it being very long. I read every word of it.
My mom always said the same thing growing up, about choosing us over my dad. It explains so many things...
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
Women say this and they think it's all noble and shit.
But the fact is, the minute a woman puts her children above her husband, the marriage and family is doomed to fail. The husband and wife came first; they are the cornerstone of the marriage and hence the cornerstone of the family. They must parent as a united front to raise well-oriented children who will be productive to society.
Any woman who says "my kids come first and always will" has already resigned her husband to short-term sperm donor and long-term child support donor. By "putting her children first", she is already diminishing the importance of her husband as the role of father in the kids lives. And she will later discard him accordingly.
foldpak111 10y ago
Women need to put 'the family' first.
dr_warlock 10y ago
It's not so much prioritizing the kids well being that's the problem, it's her going out of her way to declare it. Placing the kids high on the priorities list as a parent is an unspoken practice, it's assumed. When a female, a creature that doesn't like to be direct and confrontational, decides to verbalize this, especially to the father, it means she holds sexual resentment towards him.
rpscrote 10y ago
Absolutely. In fact the woman tells a little white lie that she loves the husband just as much in a healthy relationship
theultmatecad 10y ago
I dunno...women love their kids in a very different way. Much more unconditional. Women love men opportunisticly.
When one knows this then one can navigate an LTR
WallBender 10y ago
Precisely. That's why they say a man cannot expect his woman to love him like his mother does.
theultmatecad 10y ago
Yes...And so many of us had to learn this the hard way. I think back to beta pukes of mine.... " how can you do this to meeeeeeeeeeee?!?!?!"
WallBender 10y ago
What about in a "burning car" scenario. She only has time to rescue you or your child. Who should she rescue?
genius_goat 10y ago
The child. If I can't get myself out of the car I'm probably a goner anyway. Plus, I have a son. I'd rather die so he could live. The question is too narrow, the child/husband hierarchy is far more complicated and holistic than a single situation.
EatSleepDanceRepeat 10y ago
Rescue the husband and he can save the children.
WallBender 10y ago
Wow.
I will be using this the next time a woman brings up this "burning car" scenario. Can't wait to see how she tries to hamster that away.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
The child. Because she loves the child more than me. But when it comes to whether or not we give that child everything it wants, when it wants, how it wants, just to make sure he/she is always "happy", whether or not we can afford to meet the demands of the child or not, then we are putting the children above the familial unit. And that is wrong. The child needs to learn that it is part of a clan, part of a tribe, and that it's every wanton desire will not, in fact, be met, just because it desires it so. This is "helicopter parenting".
WallBender 10y ago
Roger that. Thank you for elaborating. It makes sense and I definitely agree that the familial unit should come before a child. The inverse will inevitably break the tribe.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
replace the word "tribe" with "family", and you have the primary problem western society faces today.
WallBender 10y ago
Couldn't agree more. This post is one I'm saving for all my friends that get married. It will help me dig them out of the hole they will inevitably fall into.
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isthatyourdaughter 10y ago
Right? People act like we're a bunch of jaded pessimists who just woke up one day deciding that marraige is a shit show because we learned it from a dream we had. Uh, no. We have two eyes and a brain, that's why.
Ak_Float_Flyer 10y ago
It isn't a very pleasant place to spend time, but the "Love" section of that site is a treasure trove of hamster-think.
Edit: Somehow I ended up on Redbook.
Yozki 10y ago
Being 99% Mother 1% wife means you're soon to be "50% mother 50% father"
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My landlord are in their 70s, married 50 years. I asked him one day how he kept it together with three kids. He said it was simple, for the good of everyone involved, the marriage came first. Period. Every night the kids went to bed, and they spent dedicated time together. Sex wasn't allowed to wane, nor was each others affection and care for each other. Saving the kids, and of course themselves from a divorce.
They're mid 70s and look like a couple in their first few years still. It's worth noting the man is a no-nonsense, alpha type that lays down the law.
Seiju 10y ago
You lose. This has to be the most important test a man has to impose on his wife or any other form of SO he is willing to commit to have kids with - and I'm talking from experience here, not from theory.
What is really dramatic in this story is that the poor lad is conditioned to answer no to that, the propaganda has been so efficient that he agrees to be relegated as a second-class citizen in his goddamn private life, as millions of other husbands do and consider as acceptable if not normal. Even worse here, she used to make more money than him. Double castration effect, leaving the guy with an unwavering feeling there is nothing you can do but accept your fate. This is sheer madness.
isthatyourdaughter 10y ago
Oh my god, that NY Post article. That whole thing is just a paid advertisement for Dread. Also,
What a dumb cunt. "You're not the best in bed, life partner, but I wouldn't want that man (who again, isn't you) anyway!"
"life partner", lol. She can't even bring herself to call him "husband."
TheRedPilsner 10y ago
This. The husband of the woman who wrote this article needs to start laying down some dread game. If he gets in shape, stops being her emotional tampon, and starts getting attention from other women then she'll probably feel motivated to do more than just throw a little pity sex his way every now and then.
68461674897051454980 10y ago
reading garbage on relationshipadvice for too long, i was first thinking 'well, i guess it doesnt matter if he's her best in bed because she may love him for other reasons and not care about who is 'best' in bed'
that's what they'll say in those subs or most people IRL if he were to ask for advice
but it got me thinking, it does matter, for 2 reasons. first, how good sex is largely mental, especially for a woman. so if it's not her best, there's a good chance she's not mentally as turned on as she was with the other guy, who she will probably think about at times.
second, she knows she could be having better sex, so when things get even more boring with this beta dude, she knows if she fucks someone else it'll could be what she's been missing all these years, making her more likely to cheat imo.
there could be even more reasons that im not thinking of, but its crazy how reading shitty beta advice will make you think it's right at times, at least until you stop and actually think about what the problem you're looking at really means
rpscrote 10y ago
Once you've been a woman's best sex, to be anything short of that is insulting and means you need to next and become some other woman's best sex.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
And isn't that just the crux of the whole matter? Today's women have defined roles for the men in their lives. And the word "husband" carries an age-old connotation that she has some sort of duty to keep fucking him while married to him. "Life partners" are for monthly duty sex and having babies with; "lovers" are for fucking in a Hilton jacuzzi suite up against the 12th story window, doggystyle, because it's "oh so kinky and dangerous tee hee we might get caught".
The point Rollo makes in his post is that women no longer try to consolidate the best of Alpha Fux with the best of Beta Bux in one, singular male. Instead, they utilize Alpha Fux to the fullest when she desires, and utilizes Beta Bux to the fullest when she needs that, and rarely/never is it the same man that fulfills both roles.
sway_usa 10y ago
Women are the masters of compartmentalization.
dr_warlock 10y ago
Division of labor and specialization.
Riddick_ 10y ago
"> The point Rollo makes in his post is that women no longer try to consolidate the best of Alpha Fux with the best of Beta Bux in one, singular male."
This. Today it takes on average about 3 males or more to really "satisfy" a woman. From the Sugar Daddy (the sucker), to "her Gym trainer" (the fucker), her Tinder dates (weekend fuck toys) and those "good Friends" (Facebook beta orbiter support team), and the "my gay friend" the ground wire for all kinky shit they are doing. Unfortunately, I know a few women like that that, and I would not touch them with a 50 foot pole. These are women that went to university, have a good job, and on the surface appear to be civilized. Nothing could be further from the truth. One word would summarize them well: Rotten.
SilentForTooLong 10y ago
Sorry if this seems stupid, but isn't that essentially the scenario most of the men here on RP are hoping to be in?... (Having a myriad of women fucking them in various ways at all times to satisfy them whenever they need + having a great job + appearing civilized)?
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Naw man, my goal is to find some rich bitch, marry her, and then take half of everything she owns! Bwhahaha
Riddick_ 10y ago
The short answer is No ;] The RedPill is about finding a way, to be a real man in a society that turned its back on men. Learning the Game and having ability to get "plates" is only one chapter, a learning process if you will. Not everyone needs it, and not everyone has to be "spinning 10 plates" to validate themselves. There are some that come here for "pick-up advice". Those guys would be better served by many PUA forums, etc. RedPill is as much about self improvement, development, it is about helping other men become better men, and give them/share the information they need to have a happier and better life all around.
Chikinhok 10y ago
id say a lot of us have different "end games" from TRP
isthatyourdaughter 10y ago
Yeah, most PUA is a bunch of snake oil sold by fly-by-night Le Happy Merchants. So taking woman advice from one of their forums is like taking career advice from a forum on "The Law of Attraction".
SilentForTooLong 10y ago
How does one define a real man?
AmazonExplorer 10y ago
Look in a Bible, read up on history, read news articles. You'll quickly realize that your question is one that has been asked ever since the first boy entered puberty.
How do you define what a man is? That is a question each of us ask ourselves, and come up with our own answer. Then, we each become the physical embodiment of that answer, and it will be through the test of life to see whether or not our answer came close to the truth.
If you think being a man means cowtowing to feminist demands, being passive, and being feels > reals, then good on you.
If you end up being successful and happy in life, then that means your answer was correct. If you end up as a miserable stay at home Dad with a bitch wife, that means your answer was wrong.
FlashGorden 10y ago
This post/article is manipulative as fuck. Also, John is far from representative of the male population.
phoenix_md 10y ago
Great post. I'm ten years married and found RP 6months ago. Thank God. I've gotten promoted, get hit on constantly at work, gone from deadbedroom to getting my dick sucked daily, stronger and more muscular than ever, and simply happy. I will be forever thankful for all you guys.
Now that my life is going awesome I can't stop trying to save others. Yet it's amazing how many husbands would rather believe the fairy tale than swallow the pill and dramatically improve their life (as well as the lives of their wife and kids).
alecesne 10y ago
Yeah, I too didn't discover RP until after marriage. I have a lot of studying to do, but always appreciate when the issues of post-marriage is discussed. I understand that men can walk away in a lot of situation, but I'm 5 months from being a father and that's the last thing I want to do. This article just blows my mind...
laere 10y ago
Happy for you man, keep up the good self-improvement. However, still being young, this post just heavily reinforces me to never marry.
Cheers.
phoenix_md 10y ago
Hey, I totally understand. But never say never. There are truly good girls out there, but you won't find them in the places you find plates.
myrpaccount 10y ago
I found it 2 years ago and it changed my life as well. It was so bad, I used to frequent /r/deadbedrooms. My marriage is actually fixed now and it's not just fixed for me. My wife's happiness has increased just as much as my own.
I try to spread the word, but I never use TRP directly. I have run into a few people including my own brother that are in the same situation I was in. I usually point them at MMSLP, NMMNG and SG Method. At that point they are on their own as I feel I have led the horse to water so to speak. Some have come back thanking me and then I'll share more. Others haven't done anything and I drop the issue.
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theultmatecad 10y ago
Amazing right? You start looking out for YOU...then others do too!
phoenix_md 10y ago
Everyone wins. But it takes a man to make the first step
CapnZack53 10y ago
I am trying to figure out how to incorporate RP into my own marriage but I haven't haf much success. How did you do it?
[deleted] 10y ago
Just tell that bitch to suck your dick.
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jumpingdonkey 10y ago
For alot of people it is hard to accept that their entire believe system is wrong. They glance back at everything in their lives and can't believe it all to be wrong.
alecesne 10y ago
The biggest revelation of RP for me was to finally see how much my mom straight up owned my dad, and how much my two best friends had fathers who had the same problem. Each was different; my dad would just spend Sundays in the basement playing guitar and toking, one of my friend's fathers just worked ungodly hours to support (and avoid) his stay-at-home wife and 4 kids, and another was mostly silent when his wife was in the room just to avoid getting shit on. I didn't realize until this year that there are alternatives!
jumpingdonkey 10y ago
ill 1up you on that, my revelation was how all my aunts (7 of them) including my mom, straight up and down owned their husbands.. that while im from the middle east christian minority not particulary known for suchs a thing. It now makes sense to my why our community is falling apart.
so many of my cousins who are beta's its sad. I feel for em, i would like to reach out to them, but wont not untill i have became full alpha.
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My dad got owned by my mom. I still dont think to this day he has gotten laid since I was conceived. Poor guy.
fuckin_retard 10y ago
This is the comment people need to see. You have turned around your marriage and life by embracing certain principles.
Too many people in this sub shun marriage altogether - look, the reality is that to have children, you should get married.
And I know you want to be all "Alpha" and independent and all that shit, but the Alpha male reproduces and passes on his genes. And the best way to raise stable kids is to have a family.
Have a family and lead it. That's RP. Running away from this because its difficult or annoying is fucking stupid.
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dregofsociety 10y ago
In America? This is the WORST advice you can give. It's not women ruining marriage. It's men like you that choose to ignore laws stacked against you and then tell other men to "man up" against the government for some pussy.
rpscrote 10y ago
Nah man. This alpha pigeonholing is wholly unproductive and incorrect. The only intrinsically alpha trait is doing what you want to do. Be it have kids or not have kids. The ability and will to choose, not the resulting choice, is the "alpha" portion.
RedBigMan 10y ago
No people shun marriage all together IF your blue pill self hasn't already been tricked into it.
It's simple economics, you have to keep the mistake you made or lose half or more of all your shit so the risk of using dread game is worth the reward (lots of sex even if it's only with one woman)
alecesne 10y ago
Agreed.
It is also important to note that Culture and Biology clash in our modern lives. Now sex and reproduction are separate, and success is measured in more than just physical fitness and health (though these are underrated in contemporary popular culture).
10,000 years ago, if you were the strongest male in a group, your reproductive success was far greater than the average man (who might die without children). This is why men are more motivated to stand out, to compete, to take risks, and to have sex frequently. It led to reproductive success. Culture has altered this dynamic; men typically have one reproductive partner, and ironically, the more "successful" men in cultural terms often have fewer children than those who flaunt law and culture and have promiscuous sex. If you want to strike a balance between being a reproductively successful male and a culturally successful male, you have to have children and then care for them. Impress upon your daughters that they need to find, secure, and respect a high-quality male before they are too old, and advise your sons to work hard and become high-quality males.
newbie3hunna 10y ago
Am I the only one who doesn't like kids? I'd rather live with a feral animal than be responsible for polluting the earth with more humans while simultaneously burdening myself for 18 years.
You just aren't that special. You are just a random freaking monkey with genes so similar to everyone else that you might as well let your wife fucking your neighbor and raise it. The ego that goes into wanting to pass on your genes blows my mind. For god sake there are already kids without homes and you think it is that important to have your own? Not for me.
cariboo_j 10y ago
True within 800 years or something your descendents genes become so diluted they bear no relation to you
YuriJackoffski 10y ago
But as an RP dude, aren't you supposed to know your genes are awesome?
Chikinhok 10y ago
unless you cuckold another man and he pays to raise your children
MrEiffel 10y ago
Why the flying fuck would I need to get married to have children?
If I'm living in Asia where divorce laws basically destroy the wife yeah sure no problem.
In the West, fuck no.
fuckin_retard 10y ago
I hear you bro. I was wholly unaware of the Asian system.
phoenix_md 10y ago
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I understand MGTOW for a time, but what happens when you get old and find yourself with dead parents, siblings that live states away, no children, 1-2 incurable STDs, and dwindling plate opportunities? That's a bleak future to me. Being alpha and being married works great, just be sure to choose your wife wisely.
Granny_Whisperer 10y ago
Fear is the most powerful ingredient of the blue pill.
rKremlin 10y ago
Then you go to Asia and start all over again. Sixty with a twenty yo is nothing. But enjoy the Americanized grand ma. It should be great.
vandaalen 10y ago
Yeah. Who in the world would exchange the pleasure of satisfying an aging nagging meatsack with 20yo whores, loads of money and the freedom to do whatever you want? Who the hell would like to move into a big house with a bro the same age and share your financial independent time with travelling and having fun with him when he could see the same old visage he's already seen for last forty years, and have the same pointless and boring conversations?
Who would be so dumb?
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
Gotta admit, I laughed my ass off. Great comment.
phoenix_md 10y ago
You make good points. There are merits to each side for sure.
The MGTOW route embraces freedom, independence, and liquidity of relationships whereas the marriage route values security, mutual welfare, and stability of relationships. While this forum highlights husbands getting the short end of the stick, I've read plenty of stories of lonely, forgotten men who chose to go their own way.
Having kids leaves a legacy and is quite fulfilling in both middle and older ages of a person's life. Take a look at [Erikson's psychosocial] (http://www.simplypsychology.org/Erik-Erikson.html) stages, esp 5-8 to learn more. Also, finding a bro like you described, in which you get to enjoy a lifetime of friendship, fun, and adventures, can be just as hard as finding a good woman to marry.
I wish you the best on whichever route you take.
rkg-pua 10y ago
you can have all that without marriage you fucking sheep
phoenix_md 10y ago
No doubt. My point is that one path values it more than the other.
BTW, I'm on your team. No reason to shout.
Ifuckinglovepron 10y ago
Having a family is also a measure of prestige more so than just the right car or clothing. It is a marker of social class and aids in the ability to achieve.
Alec Baldwin's character in the movie "The Departed" has a discussion about this. Along the lines of "You are getting married? That is good. It lends a man certain credibility...."
The lifestyle you describe will leave most people assuming that you and your bro are secretly homosexuals. If that is what you want, cool. But in levels of real power you will be the one who seems odd. Who do you suppose will get the badass promotion to senior management? John the old dude who dates young women and lives with a guy in some odd relationship and is always taking cool vacations or Mike the guy with a doting wife and a solid family and a son on his way to an Ivy League school?
dregofsociety 10y ago
You base life advice from a movie?
vandaalen 10y ago
Firstly I can solely speak about European culture and German in particular since most of what I know abot US-culture is aquired from TV, movies and from my five visits there, well and what I learn here.
It's getting more and more common that old people move together and they are often of the same sex and I believe that it will greatly increase in the future when I come to an age where it will be of interest for me.
People are getting older and older and there are less and less family but more and more single households. It only makes sense to move in together with a friend and make a pact to take care of each other.
Secondly I've been called worse than just gay. I have experienced my disposability at first hand. I've been to the ground and this society didn't give a fraction of a single fuck about me. They tried to ignore me and I was an annoyance to them at best.
I do not give shit about what anybody thinks about me, with my daughter and maybe my mother from time to time being the only exception. Everbody else can either deal with me or go and fuck themselves. I fought my way back solely on my own and I pulled myself out of that shithole on my own hair.
Thirdly I surely do not give a shit about ending up in any mangement position. I've got my own business and either I succeed, or I fail and start over again. Never will I be anybodies bitch again and try to whore my time and power away. I'd rather end up on the ground again. I've been there and I know I can exist there. I am not afraid anymore.
I also do not plan to get too old in our western society. My goal is to be able to make a decent living in South America or East Asia. I don't strive to become exceptionally rich, since I've become very frugal and I do not own much stuff. Property is highly over-rated in our times and consumption is the cancer of our times.
I will become 39 this year and I have procreated. I do not have a single reason to limit my freedom by tying myself to some hamster.
I wouldn't exactly count myself to the MGTOW, although I share some beliefs. I do not despise of women and I do not hate them. It's just that they have become much less important and interesting to me, and while I never was an enthusiastic prostitute lover, they seem more and more appealing to me over the time.
I understand your points though and I don't think that it's impossible to have a successful marriage today. In fact I am sad that it's a dying thing. Family values have become underrated too much and I love to remember the big family meetings and I mourn all those who have already died, making those meetings smaller and smaller, since most of my relatives chose not to procreate. It's just that I do not think a man is making a very good deal.
Kudos to everybody fully unplugged who is still willing to try it though.
Ifuckinglovepron 10y ago
Well that is a different situation entirely.
You make your own fortunes in this world however you see fit.
I wanted to make a point that is missed a lot here that marriage is not always a fucked up losing bargain for a man. It can be, but using the example of you having your own business, risk and rewards are always tied together.
And, yes, I was referencing American culture. Notice that those with real power; old money and politicians nearly always have a family and it would be hard to consider them betas.
BrunoOh 10y ago
That's mostly the same thing as when you marry, except you miss out on a ton of stress and alimony.
Jack_Wellington 10y ago
Bullshit!
If you don't take care of your body, your wife won't fuck you no matter how Alpha you are. Same with dating.
When your old you can rent the girls you want and have fun with them.
Marriage is NOT for Alphas. Real alphas simply get girls pregnant and decides to help or not, doesn't really fucking matter.
What matter is how much cash you have when your old, married or not. Remember that you fool.
phoenix_md 10y ago
This fool makes 500k a year, thanks in many ways to the hard work, connections, and stability provided by my wife.
(And no, my good women still lives frugally, shopping discounts, uses hand-me-downs, and manages the 10% charitable giving. Now that I've woken my alpha I buy what I want, no questions asked).
sailorJery 10y ago
yeah find yourself that unicorn buddy
phoenix_md 10y ago
Finding a good woman was not the hard part. The hard part is denying all these women clamoring to jump my bones now that my alpha frame has accrued wealth and prestige.
Ferelden 10y ago
This is how you know the sub has reached full circle jerk. When people don't even bother thinking critically and just downvote. No one is denying awalt, I think you are saying some women are better than others, and maintaining frame isn't even hard to do with these women. No one claimed unicorns exist, but there are women out there who you can live a long life with IF you apply basic trp principles.
phoenix_md 10y ago
Yeah, was wondering where are those downvotes were coming from.
You hit the nail on the head. Unicorns DONT exist. But good women do, and any Alpha can have a very happy, meaningful, and productive life is they just apply RP principles to their marriage.
Magnum256 10y ago
I think some of us have just witnessed so many failed marriages that we've figured out its a losing proposition. Anecdotally, most of my friends from high school are either married and miserable, or divorced. My mom has been through two divorces, my dad through one and then never remarried. Several uncles have been through multiple divorces. My wealthy grandfather has been married 4 times, and if he had slowed down with that shit earlier in his life he'd probably be worth $100 million instead of just $10-15 million, but that's besides the point. I've seen so many failed marriages and so few successful ones that it just doesn't seem like a risk I want to take. I'm sure there are some happily long - time married men out there but I'm certain they're the minority.
driveboy4 10y ago
great post btw but I hope you all realise that divorce rates today are way lower than they used to be. The baby boomer generation has a much higher divorce rate because a lot of them got married too young due to pregnancy and stigma, or they married due to family pressure. All to people they didn't really want to marry. Once the kids were old enough they all got divorced. Be RP - marry the woman you want, make the life you want happen. Don't expect it to just happen!
phoenix_md 10y ago
Hey, I totally understand. My parents divorced when I was young.
My wife and I are Christians. The Bible is quite Red Pill and I believe marriages do better is a Christian framework. The problem for most Christian marriages today is the failure of churches to let the Bible, rather than society, dictate the dynamic of husband and wives.
Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.
1 Peter 3:1 Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives.
Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
Titus 2:3-5 Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.
There are many, many more biblical examples of RP marriages, this is just a sample.
alecesne 10y ago
As a Midwestern American I hear people bible thumping about how gay marriage is destroying marriage and I want to pull out my hair and yell "No, no-fault divorce is destroying marriage". I'm not even a Christian but I sure as hell respect what the bible actually says regarding marriage.
zbednorz 10y ago
The marriage that God commands us to have is beautiful and it works. The tenets from those verses are the backbone to a "red pill" marriage.
Unfortunately, many leaders of the church are too timid to preach it. 1 Corinthians covers the same subject and a few weeks ago our pastor skipped entirely over the verses that describe the correct dynamics in a marriage. It's a shame.
Lastly, an interesting bit on Genesis 3:16. "Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." Looking into the origin of the bolded words, from Greek, they mean that the wife will desire to rule over the husband (the context is God doling out punishments, desiring her husband in a loving way would not fit the context). This is a promise from the Lord that our wives will forever be tempted to take control of the household, the church, and all leadership. Yet, we know that women are not meant to bear that burden, their gifts are meant for other things, equally as important.
I always think back to that verse when I see women taking control in marriages. It is promised in the Old Testament that only suffering will come out of that situation.
Fryguy48 10y ago
This makes so much sense. Wow, thank you for sharing. It also opens up many of prophecies in relation to revelations.
ThatRedPiller 10y ago
I'm an atheist. I'd go as far as to call myself an anti-theist in some regards. However, I do believe that people can and should believe whatever they like so long as they do not try to force those beliefs on others (short of basic morality, like not stealing and murdering).
However, I do respect the bible and other religious texts. While I would have to ignore a lot of it and believe that using the threat of hell and the judgement of an all powerful deity to force people to live a certain way is pretty terrible, there are a hell of a lot of great truths and guidelines on how to live your life and handle relationships in said texts. Definitely worth reading at least the bible no matter your beliefs.
phoenix_md 10y ago
You a walking Dead fan? Me too.
I challenge you to find a local church that has mentioned hell from the pulpit in the past year. You won't find one because compulsory church attendance/conversion is a thing of the past.
Have you considered that God treats us just like we treat our children, with threats of punishment and establishment of a parent dictatorship? Businesses and government also do this to various degrees because it's how humans are motivated. Society does not function without looming threats of punishment to persuade people to good behavior. Why should God treat us any different? What would you do if you were God?
The author and former atheist C.S. Lewis (narnia) wrote about the dilemma of considering Jesus as simple a wise teacher. The problem is that logically he can only be considered a liar (because he claimed to be God), a lunatic (same reason), or Lord. To respect his other teachings but ignore his claim to deity is simply illogical and not a viable option.
ThatRedPiller 10y ago
No idea what the walking dead has to do with it. I assume I accidentally made some kind of reference. I do like the walking dead, but just... what..?
When it comes to finding a church that mentions hell, maybe it's because I live in the UK, but the majority of sermons I've ever been to mentioned hell at least in passing.
For the first eight years of my life, I was raised Mormon. That's the extreme. My parents then divorced, resulting in our family being shunned from the Mormon church (which my siblings and I were glad of). After, I attempted to attend church in a few different locations, trying quakers, catholic churches, protestants and a bunch of different Christian denominations. All of them used hell and the judgement of god as one of the fundamentals of everything they said and did.
I have plenty of friends in the US who would agree with me on that, as well as friends who are religious who complain about the use of hell as a control mechanism.
As for threats, it's one thing to say 'I'm going to take away your computer' and another thing entirely to threaten eternal damnation and pain for anybody who does not follow a strict set of rules which, for the most part, are heavily cherry picked no matter where you go to church (and if they were not cherry picked, literally every single person in the world would be doomed to hell, according to the bible).
We'll ignore the poor logic when it comes to the fact that punishment for sin is supposed to be hell, but plenty of awful shit happens to people here on earth that most religious people blame on sin.
As for what C.S. Lewis said, I really couldn't care less. He has no authority whatsoever. He wrote a good book series. He might have been pretty intelligent. But the fact that he said that alone is massively discrediting to that idea.
Claiming that you cannot agree with anything somebody says because of unrelated factors is ridiculous. That's like saying nobody should have to follow laws because their governments have done bad shit in the past/are currently doing bad shit. Or one shouldn't listen to an alcoholic who tells them not to drink too much because they're an alcoholic.
Everybody lies. All the fucking time. You wouldn't have to be crazy to claim that you were the son of god... You'd just have to see the benefit in it. There are a fair few teachings that can be taken from the bible that are brilliant. They can be demonstrated to be true and that's enough for anybody who prefers to believe in things that can be logically proven.
However, when it comes to the rest of the bible, much of it is without proof, without logic and there's plenty that is downright disgusting.
I didn't really want to have a religious debate here, but whatever.
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cntthnko1 10y ago
Lol... People as smart as that are here, some of you still cant let go of this genetic behavior crap.
Ya, maybe there is "some" genetics to it, but in practical terms, for most people, its simple as learning self-respect and taking responsibility for yourself thats hindering you... Rather than some bullshit excuse that "my genes suck" or "my parents didnt do enough to prepare me."
Fucker, you know what you want to do right now, you know whats wrong, and you know how to fix it... So what the fucks stopping you? Those excuses are just buffers, whether it be the nurture excuse or the nature excuse.
Bottomline? You are afraid to act. Now, whether you think its genetic fear or nurtured fear, which ever way you take it, its a sign of laziness, actionlessness, lack of discipline and responsibility.
Awareness of yourself, your place in a greedy civilization, this is why the end advice for people here is SELF-improvement, being the officer, the alpha, the leader... Thinking about your past, what you have been through, its only purpose is motivation to be better, bigger. Introspection has its values and that is it, motivation to improve, to grow, to conquer. In a world where greed is the epitome of human value, this is the most efficient choice, to be greedy and aggressive yourself... See: dark triad
Awareness is the cure for the destined emptiness of the human mind.
fuckin_retard 10y ago
Your comment does not even vaguely address what I said. In fact, your comment is totally incoherent - there is no point.
cntthnko1 10y ago
Fuck, forgot something, even the alpha parenting is an excuse, thats why taking responsibility of your own desires is the key.
Doesnt really matter who taught you or how you are what you are, if you think you can be something and want it, than you go after it.
cntthnko1 10y ago
Sorry, it was to do with you saying "passing on the alpha genes." Its more about alpha parenting than anything else.
My dad was apparently a pretty alpha guy when we were in my country, but now he is just another pussy like the rest of em in the west.
Whether i got his alpha genes or not, he showed none of it to his family. Thats why im a pussy, i learned pussy behavior from him and if it was "alpha genes," then i wouldnt have to worry about environmental causes. But that isnt the case, the fact of how little effort he made, his actual behavior is what i picked up...
Alpha genes would dictate that its just inborn behavior that isnt taught, you just are... Not how life works, taking responsibility, thats the key; not that he or anyone in my family taught me this, TRP did.
Cyralea 10y ago
This is quite inaccurate. Most studies show it's your genetics that largely determines your child's success. Freakonomics does a pretty good job of showing the stats for it, it's a quick read.
cntthnko1 10y ago
I tried to search it but not sure which one youre talking about, if its the bryan caplin one, it seems to me that they have a lot trust in schooling in general; when you dont parent, your kid will look for idolization somewhere else, school teachers/other students are the easiest since they already spend tons of time with them (usually TV is a big impact also). A capitalist blog would like these kind of ideas; its insulting to call capitalism an economy.
We can argue the good and bad of it all day and im pretty sure i understand both sides quite well, thats why i said what i said on my first post about how if you want to succeed in this world, selfishness is the way to go; its why i suggest looking at dark triad.
Im not arguing for the overbearing parenting either, if anything, the opposite. There still needs to be a watch over though... Not everything in the world is good and schooling usually doesn't do a good job and thats quite evident in America.
Cyralea 10y ago
I don't have my copy of Freakonomics on hand or else I'd cite you the exact study, but I do believe it was the Caplan one. Essentially, your biology and your child's peers were the two largest influences on your kid's future success, so much so that the others weren't even statistically relevant. This includes watching TV and reading books.
I'm sure with some creative googling you can secure a PDF of the book, if you don't wish to purchase it. It's a good read.
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reiduh 10y ago
Judging by your username, it's safe to assume you're a doctor.
My own personal anecdotes of doctorhood began (and ended) after my first year in a rural medical school.
It always was so shocking to me, how these super-brilliant male peers of mine could be complete and utter beta bitches. How women (down to the nurses) ran everything -- living and breathing for the dick that might save their financial/kidless woes.
Now, some several years later (5+), it saddens me to see these overweight, overworked, undersexed doctors (!! physician, heal thyself!) so flustered in their bedrooms. Just beaten by the process of becoming "fashionable american dream doctors," having given up, they resort to drugs/alcoholism/extra-marital affairs (no judgments on that last one =P ).
Best of luck to you on your lifeward journeys, my reformed physician friend!
user0159 10y ago
I've got this surgical tech in my current rotation and she talks about how beta all the doctors are and how she tells them what to do, etc. I just tell her it's cute when she tries to be assertive and tell her to give me a BJ. She says she love it when I tell her what to do and gets to sucking.
reiduh 10y ago
Pat her on the head, next she swallows your load.
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matayo41 10y ago
is it your wife sucking your dick, or someone else?
phoenix_md 10y ago
Wife. Married a good one while I was naturally alpha then turned beta when kids were born. Reading TRP was like awakening from a coma
matayo41 10y ago
that's good to hear mang. keep on doing what you're doing.
foldpak111 10y ago
Don't forget to do your deadlift for a big strong glutes. I get a little too much attention for my butt haha
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Should talk to Tiger, I hear he's been having Glute activation problems lol.
phoenix_md 10y ago
Absolutely. Just learned proper form
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StinkyDiaper 10y ago
Women love checking out a man's ass. It's why I wear tight pants at work.
foldpak111 10y ago
You'll rarely catch them even though it happens multiple times a day. Women are damn good at checking guys out and not getting caught. Unless you run into a big group of ovulating/drunk women, then they just fully let you know.
dr_warlock 10y ago
Women have wider peripheral vision than men do. They can see you without looking at you.
Catabisis 10y ago
See you in divorce court in a few years when my mistress makes me realize that the grass IS greener on the other side
sigmayogi 10y ago
I do wonder what the reaction would be if roles were reversed. "I am 99% father and 1% husband".
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The fan would be flinging so much shit that it would catch on fire.
wantonton 10y ago
A while ago I was reading an article about how women control the social perception before they will risk divorcing. The book, written by a woman, explained that it simply isn't acceptable for a woman to divorce, except in a few select situations (cheating, severe abuse). So, when a woman is leaving, she'll spend, sometimes considerable, time prepping the social circles for it. So that A) it doesn't look like she just decided to leave, but that this has been a long time coming, B) he's the primary reason for her leaving (not her choice to pursue something better)this is where you often see claims of some vague abuse that when pressed turns out to mean she was unhappy and he didn't cave, and C) she isn't at fault because of A and B. This is the writer prepping her exit, but with a new twist.
Prepping the exit:
She's also showing how this has been a long time coming:
Actually, it's been since they said their vows.
But here's the twist, instead of blaming him, she's taking all of the blame and in doing so redeeming herself by now being caring enough to divorce him! She can redeem herself by DIVORCING HIM!! That way he can go get the person he deserves (of course she'll be free to find someone new as well, now that the kids are at stages she no longer needs their, ahem, father's help):
The last sums it up completely. When she looks into the future, they aren't together, they're simply looking at each other. For fucking real? Then, he needs to ask her out and she'll treat, as in we should do lunch and catch up, it'll be fun seeing each other again and I'll treat (since your such a beta bitch).
I just hope this poor guy has enough sense to see the writing on the wall.
rpscrote 10y ago
The 100% giveaway was "we're looking at each other over lunch." Um, what? If you're married, you're eating dinners together. You're together, you're not "looking at each other." And you don't bother with formalities like inviting someone to lunch when you've been married 10+ years. Conclusion: the only time all those things are congruent is if they are separated/divorced and visiting each other.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
I like that outlook on it. Have a point. I never even read it that way with the "looking at each other", as her viewing them as already divorced.
reddiforlove 10y ago
Excellent post, I think your point about how these women are always strategizing to hide their true motivations is also a key component of a lot of the bullshit we see in feminism today. They've shaped an entire worldview around making AF BB and all of its negative consequences somehow the fault of the patriarchy.
If this guy was dumb enough to not only marry this massive cunt, but also continue to support her and treat her like gold for years after she began to view him as less than a dog, nothing short of therapy is going to open his eyes. In fact, he seems like such a BB catch that I doubt she's even laying the groundwork for a divorce here, more like a flagrant affair. Unless he loses his job, she's not going anywhere.
isthatyourdaughter 10y ago
I like how she "apologizes" for being a crappy wife in an article, instead of apologizing to her husband in private. This isn't a genuine apology, it's just a literary device.
wantonton 10y ago
He isn't the subject or the concern. She only cares what others will think when she leaves. She isn't apologizing for the way she treated him, she's apologizing to women for the female initiated divorce she's about to instigate as the "repentance" portion of her redemption.
MrEiffel 10y ago
I wonder if they really don't understand that putting all their strategy out in the open will backfire on them?
Even the most retarded married Beta will start asking questions if every magazine has a cover titled:
"How to Divorce your husband in 5 easy steps"
"How to enjoy Chad on vacation with Hubby at home"
"Sleeping in the same bed as you husband CAN be abuse and grounds for divorce".
I mean are they seriously that stupid?
StinkyDiaper 10y ago
$100 says his beta ass doesn't, and never will.
wantonton 10y ago
Agreed. He's probably rubbing one out right now in anticipation of the post lunch sex "when he'll have his wife back."
NightGod 10y ago
I'm glad someone else caught this. The main thought going through my mind as I read this was "she's been talking to her divorce attorney for six months already."
wantonton 10y ago
Look through her prior postings. Two or three back is one she wrote about how much better second marriages are compared to first marriages. This is her first marriage!
NightGod 10y ago
ROFLMAO. She's two feet, one arm and most of her torso out the door. She's maybe got a shoulder and a left arm still hanging on to the door frame while she's waiting for something specific to happen. The 11 year old must need braces or something....
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LordDongler 10y ago
I think I see how my soon to be girlfriend is preparing to dump her current boyfriend.
[deleted] 10y ago
Branch-swingers gonna branch-swing
LordDongler 10y ago
Well, I'd be her second boyfriend, so she can't really be called a branch-swinger yet
[deleted] 10y ago
There's a first time for everything... you're just her first.
pl231 10y ago
While this thread isn't the best example since she works, still a semi-related note:
I've never understood the whole stay at home mom with no time thing. by definition, you have all the time in the world. I've still never seen the stay at home mom that methodically works for 12 hours a day and is exhausted at the end. Usually it's something more like this:
Get up, drink coffee read paper, maybe do an hour of household tasks. Watch the view or some other dumbass show for an hour and then take kids to school. After that its some more bullshit until its time for lunch and more TV. After lunch is maybe another hour of household tasks and picking kids up and running a few errands. Then maybe start dinner or get take out and now Hubby is home and she's exhausted.
Obio1 10y ago
The ship is going down and "she" has only three life jackets? I'm pretty sure I know who isn't getting one, and it's the bitch who doesn't know how to be a spouse or a parent.
GREF_ 10y ago
She's the breadwinner, so it'll actually be her who loses the assets she's worked for, her retirement fund, and have to pay him alimony.
Overkillengine 10y ago
Might be the only reason she's still there.
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Riddick_ 10y ago
Hey guys... here she is again, writing this gem: How to Make Sex Get Better With Age Yes, you can enhance your love life over time. -> http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/relationships/advice/a25401/older-sex/
KublerRossWasWrong 10y ago
Something they did together, as a singular unit.
Something she alone did. I wonder if John was involved.
The son is theirs, but the dog is now hers.
Prima facie that looks like "we", except she broke the constituent elements into individuals.
Her daughter, not "our daughter."
Her son, whom she alone will save.
Not theirs together.
Does John not play a singular role in "her" kids lives as well? Do they not play a role together? I would suppose not, based on her writing.
She is in control of her family's--her and her three children's--future. It is apparent that, in her mind, John is not capable of saving anyone, perhaps not even himself.
I am not a gambler, but if I were, I would bet that he has made this observation to her.
It is my private fantasy that the catalyst for her entire self-love-fest is that John has made the rational observation that she does not, in fact, love him and he has, in fact, shutdown. She is hoping he will give her the attention she needs and desires, even though six more years of this selfish behavior will have passed.
Reinforcing her dominance over him as an emancipated, self-reliant woman.
smokingmonkey420 10y ago
I can understand putting the kids first for the family sake, but the complete disregard for her husband is sickening. Especially, since there is no sense of empathy being expressed by her. Instead, she's casually saying, "fuck him" and is proud of it.
darkstout 10y ago
Only 1% of her loves him. That's how much a beta can expect these days.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
She doesn't "love him"; she loves the concept that he represents at this very moment in time. Later, it will be "I love you, but I'm not in love with you", when she's justifying serving him with papers.
My new favorite game when a girl trots out the "I love you" line is to laugh under my breath, shake my head slightly, then when she asks why I'm doing that, my go to line is, "hon, you don't love me, you are in love with the idea of being in love." Then I walk away and let the hamster chew on that for a while.
Count_To_Five 10y ago
How does that benefit you though?
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
It benefits me because they snap back to "plate" mode. They realize that if the choice is "JP commits or I ditch JP", they choose "forget the whole thing" most of the time.
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At the point of papers, its almost better for beta to not sign them. Its in his best interest at this junction. If you dont sing the papers, she cant take all your shit. Although Im not quite sure how divorce law works.
CacTye 10y ago
If you don't sign, you go to court, where the case will drag out for 18-48 months and eventually a judge will hear testimony from you and your wife and decide exactly how much of your shit she should get.
That assumes you have any shit left by the time the case gets in front of the judge, since both of you will need $350/hr divorce attorneys (flat fees are banned in my state). And wouldn't you know it, to protect the financially disadvantaged party, you'll be expected to pay for her lawyer as well (have never seen a judge order a wife to pay for Hubby's lawyer, ever.).
The only leverage you have in the process is your signature. When and where in the process you sign the papers. Waiting may enable you to negotiate a better settlement, but letting it get to trial is suicide, and she knows it.
[deleted] 10y ago
Ahhh, thanks for clearing that up. Isnt that some shit, even if the guy doesnt wanna get divorced, he still has to. And then pay for all her shit. The court system is bullshit, man.
CacTye 10y ago
I wouldn't go that far. It's better than what preceded it, where a bigger guy with a sword could take all your shit whenever he felt like it.
And no, you can't force someone to stay married to you if they don't want to. That's dangerously close to chattel slavery, which we haven't had here in this country in, say, about a century and a half.
[deleted] 10y ago
Reading all of this just re-affirms my decisions to never sign a legal document with a woman. Marriage had its place, and maybe even still does. But Im out. Id rather go play golf everyday instead of buying some worthless twat shit I dont need to buying her.
CacTye 10y ago
As previously discussed on this thread, if you want kids, marriage is the best way to ensure their success. Just make your $$ first (pre-marital assets) and get a rock solid prenup.
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Ive heard though that prenups dont always hold up in court. As someone who wants 0 kids, marriage makes no sense for me. I still dont get why anyone wants kids. Ive never felt that way.
Is there a difference between pre and "during" marital assests in the eyes of the court?
CacTye 10y ago
Yes. With some exceptions, premarital assets stay with the owner during a divorce, whereas marital assets are divided "equitably" (not equally)
AntixD 10y ago
that 1% is how much is providing for her is worth,she's that more valuable in her perception
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95wave 10y ago
Honestly that's a good deal for a beta, some don't even get any love at all
Edit: I was being sarcastic, forgot to put the /s in
theozoph 10y ago
Those are omegas, the bottom of the barrel.
aazav 10y ago
Is a excellent read in it is own right?
Come on. It's = it is.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
I'm sorry, grammar police. Next time I write massive post on a Tuesday night whim, I'll be sure and vet it through your expert editing team before hitting the submit button.
ErasmusOrgasmus 10y ago
Whilst my mother was by no means this much of a cunt, this makes me feel so sorry for my father and all the others. I'm sure it was never this bad for my dad (and they're not divorced) but there is no doubt that I have always noticed on some level that he has an implicit awareness of the fact that his needs have always been secondary in my mum's mind to the needs of my brother and I when we were kids.
I've felt somewhat guilty about that for several years but couldn't quite understand exactly what I felt bad about or why - until now. It's my parents' 25th anniversary this year and I think I might just take a chunk out of my student loan to give him a kickass experience that he'll love.
human_ball_of_clay 10y ago
Don't do that, that's fucking stupid. Student loans are not a game.
ErasmusOrgasmus 10y ago
I have the money in my account and have budgeted comfortably for the rest of the year. If I want to get my parents a decent anniversary present to show them that I appreciate everything they have done for me in 22 years then I will do so.
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rpscrote 10y ago
this article raised my blood pressure significantly.
spliffdecisions 10y ago
American woman are fucking retarded
[deleted] 10y ago
Great example of how to add your own points to a "BP example" or "hamster example" article.
Men need to understand - no one respects sacrifice. When you put someone's needs above your own and buy into the idea that you exist to provide happiness for others, no one is going to do the same for you. Men think that she or society is keeping a tally of what he has done for her, and he will eventually cash in on that. But sacrifice is for the weak and gullible only, and sacrificing only outs you as one who is easily manipulated.
John is the type of guy who would read an article like this and think "yeah, I'm a noble dude and yeah, it's been miserable for me, but it's all worth it because someone has to make the sacrifice. I'm the good guy here, and that's what matters." I guarantee you he tells himself this on a regular basis in some form.
There's no dignity in a life like this; just like Jordan Belfort says "there's no nobility in poverty", there is NO NOBILITY in sacrifice. If you hamster as hard as John did, then you are honestly better off killing yourself. If you have even a little John in you, it is a cancer that you must eradicate now, because over the years it will grow if allowed to.
redpillbanana 10y ago
What a nightmare.
Let me be clear: if I have to choose between you or regular hot sex, you will lose every time. Do you have a problem with that?
BluepillProfessor 10y ago
You may not want to directly say it but that is the frame you need for a marriage. The entire marriage.
redcamouflage 10y ago
This article makes it obvious that when a woman doesn't have a high SMV male in her life to flaunt she compensates by flaunting how little she values her low SMV male(s).
The whole point of this article is to shit on her beta husband. No matter how draining her 3 kids may be, she will always have some reserve energy designated for shitting on her beta husband.
dr_warlock 10y ago
If (male_SMV <= her_SMV) { She resents the male; }
1newworldorder 10y ago
I guess im lucky my wife tells me every day that i am more important than our children...and she acts like it too. I believe a strong tool that gets credit for this is BDSM. Im thankful for what my wife does for me amd i honor her with respect.
I can see how others are of the "kids first" mentality and definitely sets the stage for your relationship to fail.
Ronin11A 10y ago
Fucking brilliant analysis.
edwardhwhite 10y ago
This post is still pedestalizing the wives. Its butt hurt. The point is we don't need any one woman.
Christian_Kong 10y ago
IMO there are a lot of people that have cornered themselves into a near suicidal situation due to monotony. People get old and lock themselves in a wake, work, shower, feed, sleep routine that becomes dreadfully boring. They really have nothing going for them. They have nothing to live for. Then they have kids and in essence that becomes their everything. This happens to both sexes. You have men that are knowingly raising other peoples kids, calling them their son, because the want to have something to live for is that strong.
RedCrayonWizard 10y ago
Yep. Can confirm, my mother loves my sister and I far more than she does my father, and since I'm close with both of my parents, they've asked me about the changes they've seen in me since I took the red pill.
I told my mom flat out that she loves us more than him, and she absolutely could not deny it. She's thought about leaving my old man even, but that's a different demon for her because of her own convictions. I wish I could give my dad the pill, and show him, but this stuff would never stick - even him reading NMMNG he would see a change.
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Cyralea 10y ago
You wrote it better than I would have. This is the only outcome in a female breadwinner scenario. If you let a woman take the reins and be the man in the relationship, don't be surprised if she treats you like a bitch.
Women are biologically attracted to masculinity. Women don't want to be the leader. If they're forced into it they will lose respect for you and utterly resent you.
The woman in this article didn't just lose her love for her man, she outright bears contempt for him.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
Yep. Hence the "It has to be that way" right there in the title. For all of her apologetic tone, for all of her feigned sorrow about how she's treated her "husband" all these years, at the end of the day, she's perfectly fine treating him like a "second class citizen".
After all, it "has to be this way".
trplurker 10y ago
No it's not, though the alternative requires some pretty large balls. Don't confuse women making more money as women being king of the house.
My situation was reversed, my mother worked crazy long hours in the ER and such to being home enough money to feed five to seven children (some graduated and left). My father is a disabled Vietnam vet and this was before the government recognized most of them, he didn't get any money and due to his injuries couldn't hold a steady job. He did what he could but my mother earned more (and still does) money then him.
That didn't matter, it was his house, his rules and spending was controlled by him. He controlled the purse strings and she had to ask him for permission to spend it on small items for herself (she liked books). He spent most of his time in the woods or building shit, only TV he would watch would be Vanna White during dinner and then the news after, both times my mother would sit dutifully next to him, if she wasn't working evening / night shift that is. It wasn't until I left to live on my own after graduation that I realized how disorderly and irresponsible most people's childhoods were.
So it's possible for a man to make less, but he can't be a new age "we're all equal" type. He absolutely must be of the old men are men and women and children know their place type and rule his kingdom with an iron fist.
Cyralea 10y ago
Fair enough, that's a notable distinction. That's certainly more rare now than the effeminate limp-wristed "we're all equal" type of men you see today.
trplurker 10y ago
Yes I agree. I was lucky enough to be raised in such an environment so I know how to my kingdom. Most men get this notion that they are supposed to hand over control of his cave to the women, or even purchase a new cave "together". This is where he cedes power and it all goes down hill. It must forevermore be His castle, she is merely being allowed to stay there.
penguin_says_slide 10y ago
Interesting view on marriage.
FLFTW16 10y ago
If you are crazy enough to marry and have kids, the plan has to be that she stays home and raises them. Her diminished time in the labor market will ensure that her salary remains lower than yours and keeps her dependent upon your good graces. Married men must fulfill both AF and BB roles. Keeping her locked out of full earning potential will keep the man as the BB. As for remaining in the AF role, the man has to not work too much. Spend some time raising your own kids, working out, going on adventures. If you are working 80 hour weeks and handing your paycheck over to the wife, she will spend it all and feel lonely sans your masculine presence to boot. A husband has to be in control and keep his wife from helicoptering the kids and fucking up the family dynamic.
Wealth begets decadence, and decadence begets moral decay. Stay in the lower-middle or middle-middle class. The strongest families don't have lavish vacations and designer clothing. Good families earn their existence and work toward a better tomorrow, or a better next generation. Delayed gratification builds character in women and children, too.
A lot of guys won't like this. The excuses will be that money solves everything. Get the best career and make the most money. Fuck sluts. Don't get married. Don't make fuck-trophies. Enjoy the decline. Etc. I think that is just a male hamster buying into the same failed policy of feminism, just in a male-centric way.
But, in the end, live your life the way you wish. I will do the same.
trplurker 10y ago
This is something so many won't get until much much later. Power and frame are relative, someone can't take either from you without your permission. A women can not dominate a man unless he lets her, he must first cede his masculine power to her before she can emasculate him. A piece of paper doesn't change that, some man sprinkling water and saying some words to a sky god doesn't change that. A man must run his own house and keep it in order, he should never put that responsibility onto his women.
scarletspider3 10y ago
I have to agree with u. A man needs to make all the money. That way women with their need for security wouldn't want to risk fucking it up. It's an easy way for a man to have control. Just don't marry her so she can't divorce rape you.
wantonton 10y ago
I disagree. Instead of making yourself the best you can be, you would rather stunt her ability to be a full fledged person. The weaker she is made the weaker you can afford to be. This is not abundance mentality. This is not self confidence. This is fear that if you have to compete with a woman you will fail.
NightGod 10y ago
I concur. A true man builds himself up by self-improvement, not through reducing others.
FLFTW16 10y ago
Wife/Mother material will want to raise children. They won't necessarily frame it that way, but they will be hoping to work part time or work a lower paid job for more flexibility. A lot of women are brainwashed that they must "have it all," which is, of course, nothing but a con. You get what you get.
Giving her the opportunity to opt out of being a corporate drone is the exact opposite of stunting a woman's growth as a full fledged person.
Abundance mentality is the mindset that if your girl cheats on you, or doesn't put any effort to keep you, you can next her and find another girl because there are plenty of girls hitting their prime every day. The fact that you confuse my comment about creating a viable marriage recipe with abundance mentality shows me that you don't truly understand the concepts I am exploring.
wantonton 10y ago
Except that's not what was written. It was very clearly written that it's best to hold her down so the threat of her leaving is minimized. You can argue anything you want. That doesn't change what was written. You want to know what does? Changing what was written.
FLFTW16 10y ago
Please feel free to quote me.
Revo_Luzione 10y ago
False dichotomy. Who says a woman can't be all she can be, a "full-fledged person," by being a stay-at-home mother? You're insulting a thousand generations of women who self-actualized through nurturing strong, intelligent, inquisitive children.
You're simply parroting feminist ideology you've internalized since childhood. This is TRP, not feministing, chump.
wantonton 10y ago
No, there's a difference between her choosing a course because she understands why it's best for her and your forcing it on her. You weren't writing about how her being a house wife is what's best for her or how it provides for you in a productive way, you wrote about how it eliminates your need to better yourself and maintain yourself because it makes her unable to have the option of leaving you for another or even to be by herself. If you weren't advocating eliminating a woman's choice then you should clarify what you wrote.
jkonrad 10y ago
It's because this RP forum is focused on the male side of the equation. What we want, what we need, and how we can structure our lives and our women to get it all. For some people here that would include keeping their woman in a closet and only letting her out for BJs and dusting, if they could swing it.
And that's OK, such as it is. Let the women-folk figure out their own strategies.
Revo_Luzione 10y ago
You're confusing me with u/FLTW16, who wrote the original reply that we're debating.
I concur with FLTW16, in that good wife material is a woman who's willing to work part-time, or not at all, and focusing on doing the best job possible, with my help, in raising the kids.
I'd go so far as to say that I will actively disqualify as a mate any woman who professes to want to work full-time before the kids are in middle school.
I was fortunate enough to have a stay-at-home mother, who invested in me heavily, teaching me to read even before kindergarden, nurturing my creativity, my writing ability, and my curiosity. That was an incalculable gift, and I want to be with someone who sees the value in that.
Day care is fucking ridiculous. No paid child care worker has as much investment in a child as the biological parents (provided they're parents who are good human beings). Nobody will do as good a job in raising a child as loving parents.
Your empowered women shtick is pretty fucking tired. Maybe you should put it to bed, or take it over to r/xxchromosome or wherever.
wantonton 10y ago
I wasn't confusing you with anyone. I didn't say you wrote it. I was distinguishing between a principal which you were arguing but which I had never argued against because it had not been asserted.
Empowered women isn't shtick. Feminism is, as is much of what's argued in the name of "empowered women." It's basic common sense that protects two very important societal issues.
First, people need to freely choose. Why? Because if only the people in power get to chose, what happens when you aren't in power? This means people will be free to choose incorrectly. Some of those bad choices will negatively affect you, and you, through no fault of your own, will have to fix the issue at least as to yourself. That's the unavoidable price of having the freedom to chose at all. The alternative is to simply be stuck with what someone else chooses.
Second, the more freedom people have the more likely they are to be invested in the system. I support equal rights for all. I don't support it because most everyone is as capable of using those right as well as I can, I don't believe 95% can, but I understand that to disenfranchise a sizable portion of the population creates a population of people who will necessarily see the system that I'm working with and in as the enemy and work to undermine it.
I want to empower everyone, not because I care about them, but because I care about myself.
Revo_Luzione 10y ago
This is a non-sequitur.
FLTW16's post has nothing to do with equal rights, or the system, or whatever other quasi-libertarianism you're spouting.
It has everything to do with biological complimentarism. Women can give birth to babies. We can't. Women (the best ones, anyway) are biologically wired to want to care for those babies, to see that they grow up smart and wise and strong.
And this system you believe in--it's been hijacked by the top 0.05%. Unless you're a top exec or shareholder at an investment bank/big pharma/defense contractor/oil company, you're getting fucked by this system you're working so hard to support.
wantonton 10y ago
I didn't say I was working to support this system.
unseen1unknown 10y ago
Unbelievable how people can actually expect a family to operate like this. Oh I'm sure kids every wish and desire would be granted most of the time, like designer clothes, latest video games and any other materialistic crap. The toll though is a woman working a job and being the breadwinner that leaves her resentful of supporting her husband.
In other cases where the women would leave him in this scenario and take the kids because she's unhaaaapy would it of been worth it? If someone were to tell the horrible truth to the kids "Mum left your dad because she wasn't happy with working so much to afford the lifestyle you have and she got bored of your dad so she nuked the marriage" I'd be willing to bet the kids in this situation would happily take a hit to the lifestyle, with mum not working as much etc if it meant mum and dad would stay together. Really irks me how fucked up people's priorities are when it comes to family and career.
RedHeimdall 10y ago
So she is "99% mother" and "half dead keeping three [kids] happy"... and yet it is her husband who "does the laundry, grocery shopping, cooking, makes the kids' lunches, even braids [our] daughter's hair."
So if the guy is doing all the shopping, cooking, laundry and making kids' lunches, why the fuck are you so tired?? He's doing the majority of the mom shit, and to do the remaining fraction of it that falls to you requires "99%" of your energy?
dr_warlock 10y ago
She's tired of being expected to contribute towards a beta male.
sniggity 10y ago
Wow, so basically the dude is a sperm donor.
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Waldo00 10y ago
The age of entitlement. No one can ever be happy when you expect the world and everything in it to be be perfect. U mean I had a Jo husband three kids and I'm not rich and retired at forty. Fuck John that piece of shit.
theultmatecad 10y ago
Women love their children first. This is biologically quite important. Evolution determined this.
The only model that truly works in LTR is for men to take daddy role over wife and kids.
She isn't your "partner". She isn't a special soul mate to share feeeeeeeeelings with. She isn't on your team. And she doesn't love you. She loves how you make her FEEL.
Being a man seems painfully lonely when you first unplug. Then you realize...You have always been alone.
You just didn't know it
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
There is a starke difference between a mother loving their children first and putting their children first in the context of a functional family. Women who do the latter are dooming the family to fail, because eventually she will weed the father out and replace him with big daddy government and child support. This is not good for the child's upbringing.
Discarded fathers today means prison population boys tomorrow. Period.
theultmatecad 10y ago
Help me understand the difference between loving and putting their children first.
Not being an argumentative ass. I want to understand what you mean
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
If the house is on fire, and my wife can only save herself and my children while I burn in eternal hell, then honey, take the kids and go. That's loving the children over me. The survival of my family's line is more important than my own survival.
If my wife wants to put our kids in a $500/month cheer program, and we discuss how this would have a negative impact on the family finances, how we can't afford it, and she insists that the kids get to do cheer anyways because "that's what the 8 year old wants to do", that's putting the wants of the child ahead of the welfare and needs of the entire family.
That's the best I can explain it. Does that make sense?
theultmatecad 10y ago
Yes sir. It explains it perfectly.
Now know this: all women want the best for their kids over anything and everything. It's a man's job to put foot down to say no. Draw boundaries.
I would not get upset with my wife for wanting the cheer program because ..AWALT.
The beta man is scared to say no and upset her. Fights and arguments occur.
I just say no and DGAF about fall out. I expect she wants cheer camp. It's my job to navigate the long term consequences
Do you have kids and a wife? I ask because I have been plugged in and damn close to divorce. I run things quite differently since TRP. I see things as they are and in my opinion....women will do anything for their children. However illogical it seems to us
I don't hold this against them. I just don't ALLOW it
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
So it seems we've reached an accord on this issue. Mommy wants a 9-year old cheer champ. I want a college graduate. And for every dollar blown on cheer lessons, that's one less dollar going into a college fund.
FYI, this was a driving force in making me find TRP a long, long time ago. I was a "just add daddy" guy to a single mother of 2 girls back in my BP days. When it came to bills, they were "our kids". When it came to shit the kids wanted, they were "her kids". See how that works?
She put the wants of her kids above the financial needs of the household. Which is why she's gone today, and I'm now a subscriber of /r/theredpill, and a whole new man as a result.
theultmatecad 10y ago
I see how it works. An almost impossible situation you were in.
I found TRP snooping my wife's emails..
Pain brings the truth out bro
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FlashGorden 10y ago
The dude manipulated by this article into thinking it's based in any kind of reality we live in. Let's just cherry pick some weird, fucked up relationship where a guy is basically getting soul raped and pass it off like it could happen to you if you let the feminists win.
BIGBIGBIGMEANIE 10y ago
Woman sounds like a cunt. Why was this worth posting? Any man with half a brain should know not to be with a woman like this.
But then again, that's why this sub exists - for loser dudes who fucked themselves permanently.
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Heraclitus94 10y ago
Sounds like a 100% good reason why to never have kids
kevlarut 10y ago
The kids aren't the problem. She was a bad wife even before they had kids.
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penguin_says_slide 10y ago
Interesting view on marriage.
R3v4mp3d 10y ago
General human stupidity: have more than 1 offspring.
100% of everyone I talk to that have a kid are: depressed; have no time; are "busy with family stuff, you'll understand when you have one"; are getting less than enough sleep; usually aren't intellectually challenging.
I know 1 guy that has 2 kids and that guy is so brainwashed that I pity him for being so deep inside the shihole. There are only 2 subjects he can talk about: soccer and his family (his kids/ wife).
So, anyone who has > 0 children is in for a life of hell -> why have children?
Ok, let's say you're RP, can split the responsibilities of child raising and are willing to have hellish nights for the first 1-2 years. -> you're gonna be working 2 jobs for at least 10 years: your main job; raising a chimp that's energetic, stupid as a chimp, is a money dump AND has the added bonus of giving you retarded tantrums just because it's underdeveloped emotionally. This second job will last for 10 years (let's say), until the chimp vaguely resembles a rational human being that understands that you had a 12H shift and should mind it's own business while you fuck mom, have a beer, unwind, get to do a tiny fraction of your hobbies, get other work done, work on yourself.
Given all the above negative points, I currently find no logical reason to have a child. Maybe when I reach 30 and have a subconscious mid life crisis I might ponder the thought (while getting a 2 year paternity leave from work of course).
Even in this case, how irrational must you be to have THREE children (the author of the book) and then wonder why your life is shit?!
Having 3 children when salaries don't make you rich, Earth is overcrowded and you logically barely have time for raising one -> you're a fucking idiot.
Sorry for the language but hearing stories of brick heads venting why stabbing yourself in the eye hurts you brings up the worst in me.
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JP_Whoregan 10y ago
That's why I flaired this as a "Blue Pill Example". We are a sub with almost 105,000 subscribers. Occasional reminders about what a Blue Pill marriage drone looks like, is helpful for the newer guys to see what a blue pill schlub looks like. Maybe some guy goes out to a bar this weekend and sees his wife totally dominating his behavior, and he draws a connection between what he sees IRL and what he reads here.
screamingATtrees 10y ago
She can't be 100 percent mother and 100 percent wife?
The fuck kinda math is she using?
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
You're not seeing the underlying logic in the title. Her point is, once she's a "mother", she doesn't have to be a wife anymore. Her wifely duties end where the crown of the babies head cross out of her vagina. That is, what was left of her wifely duties after the initial "I do" and the honeymoon phase.
BiggestDickInTheRoom 10y ago
Actually, it sounded like her wifely duties ended when she got the responsibility of being a dog owner.
ben0wn4g3 10y ago
Correct me if I'm wrong. But when its the man who is the breadwinner, its still the women who doesn't want sex.
The fact of the matter is women have 18x less testosterone. Sex isn't as important to them no matter what they claim. When they're fucking like rabbits on the CC its not because they're generally horny and always will be. They're messing around with their biological imperative. Women will only be horny like that before they find a mate. Once a mate is found, and primarily kids are had, they don't need to fuck anymore. Biological instincts achieved.
yearlydying 10y ago
Flip-side of all this is that people in the comments are blasting this article and the author's attitude to her marriage to bits.
TheRedPilsner 10y ago
I know, it's glorious. Both men and women are ruthlessly tearing her a new asshole for the way she's neglecting her husband.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
Didn't read the comments. Maybe we can post some "best of" here
balalasaurus 10y ago
This lady sounds like a RPW
pshypshy 10y ago
Dude I'm not even disagreeing with anything else you've said but did you seriously just refer to a baby as a "fuck trophy"?
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
Sorry, do you prefer "womb turd"? Because as often as single women shit them out these days, well...I call it like I see it.
PlanB_pedofile 10y ago
I call mine "cock block" because as a newborn whenever the lady and I start to get frisky the baby somehow knows this and starts crying, fussing, or doing some shit. Then after 40 minutes we try for it again and OH, THERE's ole cock block needing another diaper change!
that kid knows...
OrpheusV 10y ago
Fuck trophy. Crotch dropping. Screaming semen demon. Crotch fruit. Sprog. Shriekling. Cunts-n-runts.
Children will ruin lives.
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UlyssesElias 10y ago
I just read the article and found it shocking for the author's casual attitude of dismissal towards her husband. Its so demeaning. She is dissing her husband but putting everything into her two sons and one daughter. So two men in her life are getting her "everything" while one man in her life is getting "nothing". Why doesn't she balance things better? Cant she see that no matter how much she gives over her entire life to her sons, if she's ignoring their father then she's giving the men in her family really unhealthy & contradictory messages about how much she loves and values them? How can her sons grow up to be good and healthy and happy men if they see their father massively undervalued and themselves massively overvalued by comparison? Cant she see the repercussions of her own actions? Is she totally lacking in self-awareness? Is it just her or does our society massively overvalue children and undervalue spouses??
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He was just a sperm donor, thats it.
penguin_says_slide 10y ago
Interesting view on marriage. It's pretty far away for me but the more you know...
zwiebelsaft 10y ago
Excuses, excuses. I have a cousin who has a stay-at-home wife and 4 children of his own and they can make ends meet and be a loving, supportive family. Just stop buying happy meals and clip coupons to make healthy dinners.
ComradeCynic 10y ago
I am commenting without looking at the original article, but I am betting that the youngest being "special needs" is because she waited too long to knock out 3 kids, and it was HER EGGS (not his sperm) that led to the developmental deficiency.
Because she was on the career track and had to get all her "merit badges" first before having kids.
FattestRabbit 10y ago
I'm commenting without reading the rest of your post. Go read the article.