Guys who have (one-sided) Open LTR's: why?
I understand TRPs opposition to prostitutes in the context of being a man with shitty game/frame/looks etc. That's equivalent to accepting defeat; fine.
But if you already have those skills and an attractive partner but just in need of a little sexual variety on the side, why can't you satisfy that need through seeing the occasional prostitute? Do you need the psychological validation of plates to feel good about yourself and maintain abundance mentality?
When I was actively plating, I got off on being as opaque as possible in regard to commitment towards girls because I loved how much investment that would reap me and found it very validating. Ofc, TRP would criticize this not only because it's a shitty thing to do and that this validation seeking behavior is weak, but especially because those shortcuts would eventually end in shitstorms of catastrophical propotions long-term and I had to find that out the hard way multiple times.
OTOH, being upfront about casual intentions never made much sense to me either, as them also sleeping with other guys and putting in the same minimal effort as myself would make it feel almost as transactional as going to a prostitute. Plating that way, at least to me, and especially if you already have a main girl, only makes sense if you have a very organical pipeline to replace churn and rather limited amounts of $.

mattyanon Admin 2d ago
Why are you asking us? This is a question that only you can answer for yourself.
Do you?
Ok, so you're validation farming. That's valid, and you're honest with yourself about it.
It's not a shitty thing to do. Women do it to men ALL THE TIME. You are allowed to do it. No law against it, dating is amoral, and you are entitled to do this if you wish.
It's not for me, but I accept that it's for you.
Yeah, it's needy and doesn't get you what you think it gets you. Validation is a leading indicator, an instrumental goal. People (and you) like these things because it implies they can get other things (eg sex with more women) later. But leading indicators are only that: indicators.
Haha right. That's the downside, and that's why most men are fairly up front when they have the abundance to afford it. Losing 50% of girls early beats half of them going mental later.
But you're not doing casual, you are doing friends with benefits. Repeated sexual encounters. Somewhat ongoing. Casual is basically one night stands. You're doing OLTR / FWB, and that's not "casual" and shouldn't be framed as such.
Call it a fling or an affair or an ongoing thing - women respond better to framing like this.
Some will, some won't.
Except it's not.
Casual is: sex < = > sex.
Prostitute is money < = > sex.
Relationship is commitment < = > sex.
Of these, the casual thing is the least transactional. Both sides get sex. It's only transactional if she has sex and tries to get something (eg commitment) later.
Minimal effort is basically non transactional.
You've got some work to do here dude, to understand that all human sexual relationships are transactional - everybody gets something and everybody gives something. Everyone is fine with this if they give what they want to give and get what they want to get.
When people say "transactional sex", they usually mean your resources for her sex. Either money or commitment.
See, this is where you've got some thinking to do. You sound like you're rationalising rather than making choices. And you're a little wonky in your thinking, you've got some definitions to tighten up in your head.
Fundamentally, the odd thing in your post is this: you like validation, but you're arguing for a zero validation arrangement.
adam-l Moderator 1d ago
Man, write a book and put all these things in there, I beg you
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1d ago
I'd purchase a copy.
mattyanon Admin 1d ago
Thanks - but this is all standard stuff, I've said nothing new.
mattyanon Admin 1d ago
The formatting wasn't even right, fixed it now :)
adam-l Moderator 18h ago
My take is that there are different kinds of sex.
When you are young, and seen through the red haze of lust, sex might seem as a thing of its own.
When you get older, the different flavors of sex become much more distinct.
And it's ok for me. To have specific tastes in sex, although they must be aware and know how to pursue it.
polishknight 22h ago
Looking back 40 years ago in my small coal mining town, I'm amazed at how wholesome the Polish-German girls were back then. Not all of them, but they still were raised to want to get married and have kids and all they wanted from a man was he was reliable, didn't drink and beat her, and someone she liked as a person.One sweet girl had a crush on me and I didn't do anything about it and she married someone else by age 22. I wasn't ready back then and she's doing well. Good for her!
I wouldn't call that "sex" transactional. Friendship isn't "transactional" and a good marriage is founded upon friendship which now ironically is the one thing most women punish men for in dating. Due to feminism (trad of 3rd wave), the prostitution mindset is due to regarding men as these icky things that women put up with to get other things from us. That's why if they win the lottery, their marriage rates go down or they get divorced while the opposite for men.
It's sad because I think my wife gets a lot of value from me besides the trad stuff I bring home. I'm the one person in the world she knows she can trust. These so-called independent women are miserable. You can hear it in their voices in the videos.
Anyway, this posting demands the Prostitute song by Chef, RIP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLTktHBE__Q
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 4h ago
Everything is transactional. It's just widely considered uncouth to acknowledge this, so most bloopies will go to great lengths to convince themselves that this isn't the case.
polishknight 3h ago
Hmmm, this may make a good WATGMA post...
There's the famous case of George R Price whose award winning math theorem quantified transactional altruism and he wound up broke and despondent over its implications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_R._Price
And I think Nietzsche and other philosophers explored the nature of transactional relationships being inevitable as well.
That said, the concept of hypergamy is an interesting one for this reason: It requires one side profit more than the other from the transaction to be successful and defines a full loss as preferable similar to The Game of Chicken or Hawk-Dove: They'd rather die or lose than be the one to "chicken" out. One way to win a game of chicken is to set your steering wheel so you can't chicken out and let your opponent see you do it, hence they'll know they'll die if they don't chicken so you win. But what if both sides are determined or the other has nothing to lose?
Fact is it works most of the time. I married a blonde who earns much less than me and dumber than me, by her own admission, and she acknowledges she's happier that way. She'd rather that than be a millionaire and marry someone more handsome than me and earns more than me, but yet less than herself.
Which is messed up, isn't it?
At least by our masculine mindset.
In the past, women tried to use their womanese code to hide hypergamy for fear that, logically, it would be turned against them. A handsome, wealthy man needn't settle for one MUCH poorer or less attractive than him or he could just play the field. They get angry at "transactionalism" from men while they clearly reject men who fail to give her what she wants.
Sometimes it does work. I have a dear childhood Chad friend who somehow got caught up in the wiles of Eff Dee Ess from a woman who played hard to get and he fell for her, hard. It's astonishing. She just pushed his buttons. So it does happen.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 3h ago
It might fit better here, unless you can make it fit explaining why men are avoiding commitment.
polishknight 2h ago
It might make a good TRP post then. My larger point, I didn't elaborate on, is that these games by them work fantastically until they don't because they push it to the limit. In Dr. Strangelove, it's an amusing comedy how the Soviets were these drunken brinksmanship players who built a doomsday weapon but didn't tell anyone. My Polish friend was laughing his head off as the president attempts to talk down the drunk communist party chairman.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2d ago
I genuinely don't understand where you guys get this "TRP says" half the time. Where did "TRP have opposition to this"?
Half of you guys are ending up in AskTRP because of some phantom misconception about "TRP says"
Where did this ominous TRP gatekeeper God of the rules of conduct tell you you can't do what you want?
Why hasn't this omnipotent TRP force of nature said this to other guys I know? I feel left out
So the TRP of the Swamp creature told you not to do something and it went how you'd expect?
Interesting.
Prostitutes ALWAYS fuck other guys. Plates SOMETIMES fuck other guys. A lot of girls just break as plates instead of having multiple concurrent cocks. Other girls fuck multiple guys.
Pick a lane. Your question genuinely makes no sense. It is very difficult to answer your confusion in good faith because it:
1) assigns some random TRP figure telling you random things and you can't even name who said that
2) plates are by default non exclusive and are expected to break if you have multiple. That is what spinning plates is.
Perhaps you've never seen an image of a plate spinner and maybe that's why you have no idea why it's called that.
Your question is incredibly hard to approach in good faith because it is making stuff up as well as fundamentally not understanding the core concept of a plate.
Oddly enough, despite inventing TRP quotes out of thin air you have contention with, you somehow manage to give an example where you found "TRP says" to have been right. So I really don't understand the point of your post. It's incoherent
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1d ago
I read that crap yesterday and thought I was just too exhausted to think clearly lol
That shit drives me nuts.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
It drives me nuts because they never even say who it is
Is it Johny_Fuxalot_69 the YouTuber who calls himself RedPill? Is it a random user on a forum somewhere? Is it a post? Is it a guy they DM?
They NEVER say where they heard this shit. It's always some ominous shadow figure
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1d ago
It's Red Pill as a whole. You know, because we're a monolith and agree with each other on everything and shit
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
If "red pill" told these guys to put their dick in a ceiling fan some of them would
Bangkok 2d ago
Building a Strawman
It didnt come on its own but rather from not ISO certified TRP podcasters.
Edit Should say
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2d ago
I will never understand why guys on here take advice from random comments and YouTubers instead of sidebar or endorsed content
It's retarded
First-light 2 2d ago
If you can afford whores, if you are seeking entertainment not validation or a substitute for a relationship and you find whores fun, why not?
No-Stress-Cat 2 1d ago
I don't see anything wrong with prostitutes. You know what you're getting for your money: an honest, solid, capitalistic, business transaction. Sometimes, you just don't feel like playing the game, and just want a lady for the night, no strings attached. There's nothing wrong with that.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 1d ago
Yup, and a whore is by default more honest than what modern dating has become. Personally I think legalization and proper regulation of prostitution would force a lot of women to actually offer value outside of just the implication of sex in order to get any male attention or resources and thus would be a net benefit to society.
The only issue is if a guy gets so lazy that a whore is the only way that they can get laid. Moderation applies to all things, including reliance on convenience.
polishknight 1d ago
I saw the “free sex” phrase come up in the wild again in an X comment with an otherwise normal healthy married woman. She considers sex where she’s not getting something else unnatural. She has to charge something whether it’s “protection” or entertainment. Thus is perhaps why the demand for gigachad is rising: they regard normie men as “exploiting” them. Unlovable.
So pay cash for sex may be one the norm in the future. Cherry 2000 covered this back in the 80s.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 23h ago
It's the norm now, the only variation is in how directly. Even Chad pays for sex, he just invested in himself (non fungible assets) and gets somewhat better terms because women have not figured out (yet) how to get a court order to seize and redistribute height, abs, social skills, and cock size to the next guy.
But if they could, they would.
polishknight 22h ago
Chad gives her social status similar to a girlfriend of mine whose high school teacher bragged to everyone, including her students!, she had slept with JFK.
Being Chad is great. I know a few Chads and basically they do little to get tail which is a bit of a trap like it is for young women who don't develop social skills. If I had a son, I'd, controversial, do my best to get him as tall as possible, trained in martial arts, bodybuilding, and Game and marry a Kennedy. Until he does, he could have fun but he'd have to wrap it AND be careful because there's always an off chance one of them will go nuts.
One Chad broke up with a local girl at a ski resort he and his buddies went to annually and the next year he went, all the men at the bar were wearing FUD buttons. He asked what they were and they said "They're Fuck You Dennis! This Dennis guy broke a girl's heart here and we're going to talk with him!" So I'm amazed he got a button of his own and by the end of the evening they were all his drinking buddies. Then when she appeared the guys whom I expect she wanted to kick his ass said "Hey, Sharon! Dennis is an ok guy!" He says to this day when he goes there, she turns and faces the wall until he walks by because she doesn't want to look at him.
Kloi 1d ago
Because I far outclassed the ho in social standing so my side was open, not hers....long term she eventually cheats or goes bolistic.
The amount of effort I've put into developing myself to be a "catch" or at the very least, an unregrettable one night stand means I don't have to pay with my hard earned cash.
No, I enjoy the chase. The romance. It's the same reason I don't pay to hunt on a game farm. I enjoy the hunt itself more than the kill.
It's human nature to want to feel wanted. If you're making good money and want to bust a nut with no effort outside of your wallet, than lead with that. Most men can't. Including myself in relation to how much I like to bust a nut.
What shortcuts? Fucking girls you'd never date? I have plates a decade old. I'm a safe fuck when she's between men. She knows and I know it'll never be nothing more but it doesn't end in a shit storm because those boundaries are set in stone, by me.
YMMV but my experience is these women will try extra hard, even more the second, third and so on times they come crawling back when they couldn't secure the ring somewhere else.
Again, I enjoy the hunt. The authentic desire. I know when I'm fucking, it's because of who I am, not how deep my pocket is. Maybe that's a fragile ego, maybe it's the fact I know I'm worth more than my check book.
Hos give it away to shitty men all the time, for free...why would you pay to dick a skank down?
Musicgoon78 3 1d ago
Who wrote this and where? The big problem with most men (this includes you OP) is that they are simply not decisive and able to handle the fact that being a man means thinking for yourself. You make up the rules. But I'll bite. Probably some retard somewhere wrote it and your gullible ass took not like it was a commandment from God. Congrats on being a sheep instead of a leader.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
My instinctive feeling is that these guys reject the actual endorsed advice they see in official red pill spaces and then go spoonfeed on easier to digest rage bait or random comments that align with their pre-existing beliefs
I have no other explanation or Theory for why so many guys quote unnamed randos as gospel
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1d ago
Dude, do whatever you want. Just understand the tradeoffs.
Personally, I don't think I'd ever hire a hooker. To paraphrase Cheap Trick: "I want her to want me!". If I knew a chick was only fucking me because I paid her to, I don't think I'd enjoy the sex at all.
But that's just me. Do whatever you want.