Hey all, I'm try to keep this as short as possible. For the past year it appears, I've been dealing with females who are moderately attractive (usually high 6s - high 7s, rarely low 8s) yet so weird that there looks don't make up for the bizarre behavior. I just ceased communication with one who admitted she's immature, complaining, disagreeable over a week ago and just found out the 1 I'm talking to is an alchemist.
For comparison, I'm nowhere as weird as the examples so it's not simply a case of like attracting like. I've self reflected and concluded that I am attracting these females because I'm punching above my weight class in the sexual market. Because of this, for the most part, when I do score the only females with the purely superficial SMV I'm going for who are receptive are those who for whatever reason can't get a man in their respective class. These include the whores, the mental unstable, & the weirdos. Luckily I haven't had any (known) recent interactions with the crazy ones and the whores aren't going to make me seek advice. When I interact with less attractive women I never experience bizarre behavior.
I know the only way to permanently fix this issue is to obviously raise my smv & I will focus on that once I get through this final difficult leg in my med school program (this has been a trying experience these few years) but, until then, could anyone give me advice on how to quickly surmise something is amiss? Please be mindful that, in my experience, the more attractive these females weirdos are, the more effort they put into hiding it. The one I cut off didn't start revealing how odd she was until months after meeting, when she felt comfortable. The attractive weirdos I've been dealing with either express beliefs severely incompatible with reality (such as the alchemist), have significant issues with human communication and interaction beyond surface level (to the point that society would easily toss around the autistic label if they were men) or both. I really feel irritated because this is time I cannot get back and would like to be more efficient with how I spend it. Thanks in advance
Side question: do any of you believe that gaining 15-20 pounds of muscle within 6-7 months is feasible as a vegetarian?

Farang131 3h ago
The way I see it is I am the man I am the logical thinker
If my girl wants to believe in some mystic woo woo I don't mind in fact I think it's kind of cute like how a naive puppy or kitten is cute. Obviously if it's extreme that's different but if it's just some harmless belief I'm not worried.
I lived in Thailand and lots of people believe in ghosts I thought it was quite cute. I mentioned about noise in a quarantine hotel and the staff member said it must be ghosts due to the lockdown. Rather than be annoyed I found it amusing.
I mean you watch things on TV that you know are fictional / false and you don't get upset about it.
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Musicgoon78 3 1d ago
Vermillion, this is the kind of overgeneralized, low‑resolution thinking that gets guys here stuck instead of sharper.
You’re taking single traits and turning them into entire categories of ‘weirdos,’ and that’s not leadership — that’s just sorting people into boxes because it feels easier than actually evaluating compatibility.
Screening women is important, but reducing them to a checklist of red flags based on one quirk is how men end up paranoid, rigid, and blind to nuance.
Guys here look to you for clarity, not blanket statements that encourage them to throw out good opportunities because a woman doesn’t fit your template.
I usually respect your takes, but this one is not informative, it's dismissive. It doesn’t help men become more discerning — it just makes them more afraid.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 21h ago
I deleted it. I forgot that the average guy on here overgeneralizes and won't look at nuance
At any rate, I am personally avoiding these women. They are not compatible with me personally. I have bad experiences with everything I wrote
I am sorry I posted it publicly, the average guy even in red pill spaces is not going to be as viscerally opposed to what I don't like in women based on my own experiences
I do personally believe all those traits and environments are nopes for me. I shouldn't have posted it.
No-Stress-Cat 1 1d ago
Holy shit, that's like ALL women. Our young brothers are so fucked.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 21h ago
I wouldnt seriously date 95% of women for that reason
Anyway I forgot how the average guy on AskTRP reads this stuff so I deleted it
My standards for women are too strict. I still think all those traits are nopes for me though
SwarmShawarma 22h ago
There is some proper shit in this post. And I'm between you and @musicgoon78 on that. Its good material for a red flag indeed but indeed it is definitely discouraging and scary.
I always have this at the back of my head, how much good or bad something does in my head. Hence I usually Skipp commenting in waatgm, read comments, but like one of the last entries I couldn't even finish it was so offputing video.
Managing one"s emotions is important in own unique way.
Id love to challange you to a cock fight.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 21h ago
I stand by that I will be filtering women out based on all of those traits
I do understand the average guy on AskTRP though will be overusing that list so I removed it
I am not sorry that I have that big of a filter for my personal choices but I am sorry I posted it publicly for other guys to absorb
SwarmShawarma 21h ago
Good I have taken a screen shot, ☺️ which I do each time if something is stimulating, rataher than good or bad
Vermillion-Rx Admin 21h ago
Oh well, I'm not afraid of my personal standards. I just shouldn't have posted it for advice consumption
SwarmShawarma 20h ago
Oh hell, I thought It won't sound like a threat, but here we go ????
Its for me unless you will ever want it back
Vermillion-Rx Admin 20h ago
What? No. I'm just saying if I didn't want people to ss something I wouldn't even post it in the first place
SwarmShawarma 20h ago
Got ya, 12345
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1d ago
I highly doubt it.
Besides, we're meant to eat meat.
I doubt this issue has much to do with you or your SMV.
Really, the best you can do is act as non-judgmental as possible so that they're comfortable sharing shit as soon as possible.
For example, if you two are watching the news together and there's a report of some black magic witchcraft practicing heathens sacrificing neighborhood kids, resist the urge to say "what a bunch of retarded freaks".
Milder, less silly example: if someone mentions horoscopes or astrology, resist the urge to roll your eyes and/or say "what a crock of shit!"
You're probably acting more judgmental around them than you realize.
And for the sake of other guys who encounter them in the future, don't break things off the nanosecond you discover something like that. Give it a few days, then do what must be done.
Redpillpusher 1d ago
Thanks and yes, for the sake of men after, I'll keep texting the alchemist and then fade to black. If you'd see her in public you'd never know. She only told me after I saw an odd tattoo on her and asked her the meaning
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
I forgot about astrology thanks for the mention
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1d ago
Just about all of them are into it, even if only a little. The ones you want to avoid are the ones who treat it like a combination of an actual science plus a religion.
Musicgoon78 3 1d ago
Ok bro let me give you my take as an older guy with a different worldview. It sounds like you're looking for perfection in an imperfect world. You stated you wanted to raise your SMV. By all means, continue down that path. This is good for you. It's not going to change your results.
You're going to have to do some self reflection. For example I have usually attracted submissive women that are quite needy. It's because I took up a strong and competent role. I did it all myself because self reliance feels "safe" for me. Well in return I was not in relationships where I could get what I want. I was relying on myself and she was relying on me.
Do some digging and find out what about you is attracting these qualities you don't like. Putting on muscle will make you more muscular with the same problems. This isn't related to SMV.
Now, mentally unstable, or alcoholics are a very large red flag and are easier to spot. But some of this you have to put into perspective.
For example does a woman who believes in alchemy, really cause you harm? Does a woman who likes tarot deserve to be dumped because of it?
I had a girlfriend that believed in reiki. It didn't hurt me so it was just one of those things I would roll my eyes at when she wasn't looking. It's a small price of admission. Trust me when I say that you can be so picky that all relationships become short term and transactional. I've been there and it sucks.
Everyone has quirks and strange worldviews. These imperfections are what makes them unique and beautiful. If you find a girl that is straight laced and a perfect tradcon wife, you're going to be very bored very quick. Normal is boring.
Redpillpusher 23h ago
Thanks 4 the insight. I'm open minded enough to cede to your take on allowing some leeway in regards to quirkiness. The alchemy will not affect me significantly but things like that or an obsession over astrology, for example (another woman recently informed you can have 3 different astrological signs at once, & they all influence your personality, smh) are strongly associated with a lack or even dislike of logical thinking, based on my experience.
What I'm more concerned about is minimizing dealings with females like the one in the other example I gave: women who behave so oddly that it significantly hinders their ability to communicate & interact with other humans beyond a surface level. I'm sure you've come across many women like that: attractive, put together on the surface but once you get to know her, it's obvious something is off but because she's not a danger to herself or others, we don't call her clinically insane and because she's not a man we don't call her autistic. I've often stated that for the most part society accepts the antisocial behavior of wealthy men and beautiful women (until it's too late). Do you have any suggestions about that? &, yes, you may be right, maybe there's something I'm overlooking/ignoring about myself that attracts that, I'm still reflecting.
adam-l Moderator 16h ago
Are there any other types of women out there? How do they look like, where do they live, what does it eat?
Musicgoon78 3 5h ago
You mean self sufficient women? Yes. They are very very rare. Self sufficient and kind is a big ask, but I'll keep looking.
This is why I like married chicks. You have your fun and then their husband is responsible for the bullshit.
First-light 2 23h ago
I suspect that your thoughts on punching above your weight and attracting superficial SMV could have some truth. But it could also be being potential high value -a med student- and being a bit socially awkward. You may be excluding those who value themselves higher. This is almost the same thing. You may be right about the potential of these women for autism or at least for making surface choices -"I want a doctor, who cares if he is a cool guy, he is a doctor"
I dare say practising social competence is the biggest thing you can do.
I do not think it realistic that you could gain that much actual muscle weight in that time frame. Novice body builders usually have a max monthly gain of about 2 lbs and that will most likely be on a large frame with good genetics and a high protein diet. As they become less novice, the gains fall to low ounces a month as the body becomes more adapted to the stimuli. To be honest if you check out what steroid users add, you would be lucky to gain (and subsequently retain) this much if you went all in and shrank your nuts and softened your dick with a test and deca cycle. Thankfully the body is hard to abuse that much even if you try. You would need a darn good reason to want to suddenly carry 20lbs of extra muscle about loading your organs and circulatory system with it. Attracting potential mates is not in my opinion a good enough reason. I don't like the idea that a man carries a pound more than he needs in life. If you go to work with heavy tools or carry heavy packs in the mountains you soon get what I mean. Weight is a handicap unless it provides functionality you need. I would aim to be functionally fit for your aims in life. Then whatever weight that lands you at will be good for you. You will also look good.
Redpillpusher 23h ago
I was dealing with this (albeit to a lesser extent) before I got into med school but I understand what you're saying, except for the exclusion of those who value themselves higher, please explain.
And I mainly wanted to add more muscle because after I finish I wanted to jump back into Muay Thai and at least do my 1st competition. I was supposed to before I got into school and I've fallen off
First-light 2 22h ago
If it is for a combat sport then I can only think that it is much better to be the strongest man in a low weight class than the weakest man in a high weight class. You will also ship more long term damage from blows from heavier stronger men. I would train for strength and accept weight gain where it is essential for strength but do the best that can be done with improving how a muscle works as opposed to its size. I would also at this stage -a distance from competition- work on your aerobic side. When peaking you can let the anaerobic have greater dominance. Too much anaerobic work will damage your ability to develop aerobically and a man needs that to fight for any time.
What I mean (and I could be wrong about this as I don't really know your situation) is that once you first cross a threshold you get interest from the bargain and defective women in that threshold. So you become a med student (SMV upgrade) and can now get attention from 6's to 8's but these women are the defective ones in that class. It might be that you could now get a solid sane 5 but you don't want her, you want as you put it to punch above your weight, so you are into the weak specimens in the weight above.
You know all of this sounds like don't try to punch above your best fighting weight but for fighting try to be light, for fucking try to gain value.
Redpillpusher 19h ago
You're right, 15 lbs would put me in the next weight class on the low end and I don't want to sustain more damage than necessary since that's not my profession.
Thanks for the clarification on the 2nd paragraph, that's precisely the case
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
This has nothing to do with your SMV. Read my list. You ever see witchcraft women or emo women? A lot of them are smoking hot but they are weird as fuck all. SMV has very little to do with how weird women are.
If anything at all SMV just makes you stand out for women with very little psychological baggage and other weirdness because they are in very high demand and you would stand out
Redpillpusher 1d ago
I just finished reading and thanks. A few of the points I never even thought of, others I just accepted as normal for today's woman (like females at nightclubs/bars). I will utilize the points made.
I only assumed it would be SMV because I reasoned that a normally behaving man with high SMV wouldn't waste time with them once he discovered how weird they are, minimizing their selection pool
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
The fact is just that most women wre just fucked up nowadays. You have to look for ones that aren't fucked up instead of merely avoid ones that are.
Man's mannerisms have nothing to do with SMV
Maybe. Again a high smv man (who might be weird himself) would have a higher shot of getting women he wants (who aren't weird) possibly because of high smv.
Weirdness and SMV are not correlated. No need to conflate things together that don't inherently have any overlap
Redpillpusher 1d ago
Makes sense
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1d ago
Eh, back when I was first learning PUA, I had to learn to eliminate a lot of unattractive bad habits.
SwarmShawarma 21h ago
Let me guess
Fidgeting
Avoiding gaze too much
Laughing not prompted
Talking to fast
Stroking a dick in a pocket (or maybe even removing pockets lining)
Vermillion-Rx Admin 21h ago
I still think it's conflating too much
There are all kinds of mannerisms. Some are unattractive, some are attractive, some are quirky, some are odd but otherwise neither attractive nor unattractive
OP conflated too much with SMV that didn't necessarily involve SMV