Earlier, as I was reflecting on the friendships I've had in this life, I thought about the miniscule number of female "friends" I've had. These were friends in the conventional sense, i.e., I was never friend zoned because I never tried to approach them in a non platonic way (they were either engaged or in a serious relationship when we met and always in a "don't defecate where you eat environment").
In every case, these female friends were vastly inferior to any of my male friends (in regards to selflessness, value, rapport, etc.), regardless of how casual those male friends were. This inferiority was so obvious, in fact, that when I had told one of those female friends that male friends were vastly superior to female friends, she paused and thought about it before agreeing. Also in each case, I observed that it wasn't just me that these female friends treated in a sub-par manner: they were subpar friends to their own female friends. They would show selfishness, jealousy, and/or deception to their female friends that would come and go with the seasons until many of them, ironically, only had male friends left who, like me, dealt with them at a larger distance as time went on.
Now, I've hypothesized that the beneficially based reason females make almost worthless friends is because how our society raises them. For the most part, if the average family has a daughter, it's considered a success if she makes it to her 20s without having a baby or catching an STD. As we all know, however, the bar for success for men is set much higher: financial independence and success, following a moral code, etc. Men are expected, for the most part, to abide by some set of principles. We all have seen the stereotypical father-son moment in sitcoms, dramas, etc. where the father teaches his son a valuable life lesson and a tenet of acceptable behavior. There are no female equivalents in mainstream media. Thus, because of the lack of high moral expectations, one can't be surprised that traits that make horrible friends are commonly found among females.
What I would like to know is if any of you think there's a biological basis for women being subpar friends, even to other women. I find it surprising, especially since females are typically more social than men.
Lone_Ranger 3 2h ago
didn't read this. Don't need to.
here's the thing: you dont need female friends. You can't have them any way, because it doesn't work.
For all those guys out there that think having female friends is going to get you into the inner circle of poon, it won't. trying to friend your way in never works. Women know that other womens guy friends are gay simps, and they do not make the panties moist. None of the females want that guy that is friend with their friend.
Forget all about female friends. guys are just better friends. Having a decent circle of guy friends is a far far better way to live, and a better way to get poon.
Women want guy friends for favours, and unpaid labour. make your choices.
wonderman73 1w ago
The number one benefit to having female friends is to give you perceived preselction to bang other bitches
Lone_Ranger 3 2h ago
that's a myth - a fantasy. you get preselection as a faggot.
First-light 2 1w ago
I think women are unlikely to make ideal friends for men for a number of reasons.
Redpillpusher 1w ago
I agree with all points esp. #3
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 1w ago
Men tend to be better friends because they have to be. They weren't born with a social cheat code known as a vagina. Those that aren't good friends tend to end up homeless, in prison, or dead.
Doesn't mean women can't be good friends, just that there isn't as much selection pressure on them to be such.
dreams 2w ago
Women have to protect their womb from bad candidates while men are supposed to infiltrate their snatch.
Their uterus is designed to filter out weak sperm while only accepting strong sperm while our shaft is designed to penetrate and impregnate best we can. That biological basis is what everything else spawns from, including their ability to be a good friend to a male.
She knows to give advice on how to filter out bad candidates, and make herself more appealing to the good ones. However, the rules for filtering out candidates and attaining them differ for females than males and thus most of the advice they will give will be bad.
Only betas need girl "friends". Alpha's have girl friends that they either fuck, party with or derive some sort of benefit with. It's only the betas that go to them for advice and share emotions with them. That's because Alpha's know that a good girl friend is someone who they can derive a mutual benefit from, not someone who they can show themselves as weak infront of and "level" with them.
mattyanon Admin 2w ago
Women are inherently selfish and self serving. Women expect to profit from male acquaintances and are experts at getting men to do things for them. Pretending to be friends is one way to do that.
As regards F-F friendships: yeah, those suck too..... I think they just didn't evolve friendship in the same way that men have, but I don't know the details.
Biological basis: tricky, because you first need to find the biological basis of friendship in men. What's the benefit, what's the cost.
Redpillpusher 1w ago
Your introduction of the cost/benefit aspect is very insightful, never really looked at it from that angle. Using that approach, I realize that during the early hunter/gatherer phase of civilization, the survival of the community was more or less equally dependent on men and women (majority of famous female warriors in history come from tribes that mainly hunted, it wasn't unusual for women to be in the army, etc.). As civilization evolved, however, women took more subservient roles and more of the responsibility of survival fell on male shoulders. Thus, the strength and integrity of a man's bond with other men was often the deciding factor in whether or not a community could survive a famine or make it to the next spring since women were relegated to solely rearing children and tending to the home, while before they were also out there with the men. Just my hypothesis
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Musicgoon78 3 2w ago
I think this is fucking retarded. I've got some really great female friends that are also musicians. They've been there for me when shit has hot the fan and when it's time to just go out and have fun.
Sounds like you are around low quality women. It's not gendered. A vast majority of people suck.
No-Stress-Cat 2w ago
That sounds like something a beta would say. Are you okay, bro? He's not being retarded. He's provided an astute observation.
Jackmoter 1w ago
Tell me you've never been friends with a woman without telling me you've never been friends with a woman.
No-Stress-Cat 1w ago
Oh yeah, of course...when I was a Blue Pill Beta Bitch. But after having been burned enough times, I finally wised up to the truth.
What truth, you ask? I'm glad you asked. The answer to that is easy:
READ THE SIDEBAR
It's not a guide for the experienced, but a confirmation of those experiences.
Musicgoon78 3 1w ago
Sorry brother but I disagree. I'm friend with some very charismatic and fun people of both genders. I don't buy into tropes like beta. It's all shaming tactics when someone disagrees. You boys are terrible with your debates and even worse with cut-downs.
I don't hang around with suck ass people. Surround yourself with value instead of garbage. It will give you a appreciation instead of disdain.
No-Stress-Cat 1w ago
No harm, brother. I'm not trying to diss you. We can't all agree on everything all the time. We all have different experiences with some commonalities. Who knows, you probably scored a jackpot I'll never see in my lifetime.
Redpillpusher 1w ago
I don't care what you think, boomer. I should have specified "everyone except Musicgoon". You're constantly on all of my posts, this is utterly ridiculous. I thought I made it crystal clear that I would not take your advice seriously after you critiqued me for lacking "text game". I know mostly high quality people and a few low-lifes. The facts that all my male friends show desirable traits one wants in a friend, regardless of their "quality" as people, that the overwhelming majority of women I know/knew make subpar friends, despite being good mothers to their kids and "high quality" people in general, & that most of this forum agree with me in some way lets any logical person know that "hey, he might have a point". Now go spend some time with your grandkids and tell them that Jacqueline Kennedy story for the 30th time
universitythrowaway Should i (x1) 1w ago
Lmao fucking tell em bro. Some of these grandpas don't get it that times have changed. While redpill philosophy remains timeless some dated methods don't work anymore. Can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Musicgoon78 3 1w ago
I love how you can't think of anything original to say. Same old impotent put downs from a larper.
Say retarded thing and you get called a retard. Poser are going to pose and have atomic butthurt when someone disagrees.
Redpillpusher 1w ago
In every post of yours on my threads, you provide worthless, snarky advice. For example, in this thread you discuss how your female friends are also musicians. Utterly irrelevant and something I would expect from a slightly senile grandfather. No, it's you who's the retard, whenever you regain some of the cognition dementia has stolen from you, feel free to comment. Until then, keep reliving the moment you wooed Jacqueline Kennedy
No-Stress-Cat 2w ago
You are witnessing female nature at it's core. Society claims women to be more "social" and "emotionally connected" than men, but this is just putting a pretty bow on something far more sinister working behind the scenes. Basically, it's just a big game of sabotage. It is the basic building blocks on which the entirety of feminism is built on.
What is the greatest power a woman has, regardless of status or income? The ability to have children. The ability to continue the human race.
So what is this sabotage I'm referring to? Women's empowerment. Abortion. Career over family. Single women influencing women to stay single. Abandonment of marriage. Telling them to don't lower their standards and settle and to go get that bag from that man that doesn't exist. Making it impossible for poor women to financially have children. All of these things were strategically put into place for a reason.
This is what drives women to sabotage each other, to prevent them from having children, and if they do have children to take those children away. It is the core biological drive being played upon so that higher status women will have more resources for THEIR children to survive. They couldn't give a fuck about the other women. The less competition for resources, the better off their offspring will be.
And the best part is? Blaming it all on men. Men are the scapegoats that allow the charade to continue. "It's men's fault this is happening! It's the Patriarchy in full force! FEMINISM is the answer to all this Toxic Masculinity! We don't need men!"
Jackmoter 1w ago
There is far more than one reason why women sabotage each other. If a woman get's married and has kids that's one less woman on the dating market and one less competitor.
At the same time some woman can actually be good friends with each other. I know that might be shocking to you, but the world is not black and white.
It sounds like you are deep in the anger phase. We've all been there don't worry.
No-Stress-Cat 1w ago
You sound young. I'm not angry, I just don't care. Pussy isn't that big of a deal to me. I can get it anytime I want. Let me explain a few things from the observations of an older, wiser man:
You got it completely backwards. It's not the woman that's the target, but the husband. He's vetted. For every husband out there, there is a woman who will try to convince her that being a housewife is "suppression and subjugation" and that only men "get all of the benefits of having a maid, a cook, and a nanny all in one package" and that she should get divorced and take half his shit. Then she slips in under the radar and steals that husband for herself. It works. What is the divorce rate these days? What about for 2nd and 3rd marriages?
On the surface. They are the best friends ever! They go everywhere together and do everything together! But there's a catch: One of them is always the ugly one, while the other is the pretty one. The greater one is usually quite mid. While the lesser one is usually ugly, or fat, or looks like a man. The greater one hangs with the lesser one because the lesser one makes her look better. The lesser one hangs with the greater one because it boosts her social status. Any by golly they will defend that dynamic to the death! Next time you go out in public, have a look at the women who are travelling in pairs. You'll see what I mean.
Of course it's not black and white. There are always exceptions to the rule. But that's just the thing: You're trying to pass the exception off AS the rule. Which it doesn't work like that.
Redpillpusher 1w ago
Fascinating that men's evolution and sense of community is based on cooperation while women's is based on sabotage and mistrust. If not for men, mankind would've been devoured millennia ago. It's true and hilarious that because of feminism some females will find a way to blame their subconscious instinct on men
Jackmoter 1w ago
Women have adapted to the world they were placed in. Their behaviours are produced out of natural selection. Thus their behaviours are ones that allowed them to survive. Your logic is therefore flawed.
Redpillpusher 1w ago
Not at all, Jack, not at all. To begin with, you and I are in agreement regarding the fact that the female behavior I'm discussing resulted as a response to the world they found themselves in. If you look near the top of the thread you'll see in my response to mattyanon 2 days ago that that was what I hypothesized. You and I differ in the belief that their behavior is the reason behind their survival today. Women survive despite such behavior, not because of it. If you wish to argue that then you can also argue that the willingness of cats or dogs to be fed from human hands is what allowed domesticated cats & dogs to survive to today. The problem with that argument is that it's wrong; the main reason behind their survival is their subservience to humans a result of domestication just as the main reason behind women's survival is the role taken on by men. Women would still have adapted, regardless of how they treat their female friends because of man's protection just as a domesticated dog would still survive whether or not it was willing to be fed from the hand of a man because of its subservient behavior towards its owner.
No-Stress-Cat 1w ago
It's all part of the strategy. Disdain and hatred of men keeps women from pursuing them. No man, no children. It's only after these women have hit the wall, and that biology kicks in that they realize the truth, and by then it's too late. They've become nothing but a blown-out, used up cum dumpster than no man would touch with a 10-foot pole. The strategy works.
In this situation, it doesn't affect men at all. That's why they're so pissed off. We're not biologically time-limited like they are. We couldn't give a shit about these screeching hags, because we can live with or without them. It's a woman problem created by women for women, and only women can fix it. We've told them the solution. They refuse to listen. So fuck 'em. Let them wallow in their misery.