Earlier, as I was reflecting on the friendships I've had in this life, I thought about the miniscule number of female "friends" I've had. These were friends in the conventional sense, i.e., I was never friend zoned because I never tried to approach them in a non platonic way (they were either engaged or in a serious relationship when we met and always in a "don't defecate where you eat environment").
In every case, these female friends were vastly inferior to any of my male friends (in regards to selflessness, value, rapport, etc.), regardless of how casual those male friends were. This inferiority was so obvious, in fact, that when I had told one of those female friends that male friends were vastly superior to female friends, she paused and thought about it before agreeing. Also in each case, I observed that it wasn't just me that these female friends treated in a sub-par manner: they were subpar friends to their own female friends. They would show selfishness, jealousy, and/or deception to their female friends that would come and go with the seasons until many of them, ironically, only had male friends left who, like me, dealt with them at a larger distance as time went on.
Now, I've hypothesized that the beneficially based reason females make almost worthless friends is because how our society raises them. For the most part, if the average family has a daughter, it's considered a success if she makes it to her 20s without having a baby or catching an STD. As we all know, however, the bar for success for men is set much higher: financial independence and success, following a moral code, etc. Men are expected, for the most part, to abide by some set of principles. We all have seen the stereotypical father-son moment in sitcoms, dramas, etc. where the father teaches his son a valuable life lesson and a tenet of acceptable behavior. There are no female equivalents in mainstream media. Thus, because of the lack of high moral expectations, one can't be surprised that traits that make horrible friends are commonly found among females.
What I would like to know is if any of you think there's a biological basis for women being subpar friends, even to other women. I find it surprising, especially since females are typically more social than men.
dreams 21h ago
Women have to protect their womb from bad candidates while men are supposed to infiltrate their snatch.
Their uterus is designed to filter out weak sperm while only accepting strong sperm while our shaft is designed to penetrate and impregnate best we can. That biological basis is what everything else spawns from, including their ability to be a good friend to a male.
She knows to give advice on how to filter out bad candidates, and make herself more appealing to the good ones. However, the rules for filtering out candidates and attaining them differ for females than males and thus most of the advice they will give will be bad.
Only betas need girl "friends". Alpha's have girl friends that they either fuck, party with or derive some sort of benefit with. It's only the betas that go to them for advice and share emotions with them. That's because Alpha's know that a good girl friend is someone who they can derive a mutual benefit from, not someone who they can show themselves as weak infront of and "level" with them.
mattyanon Admin 18h ago
Women are inherently selfish and self serving. Women expect to profit from male acquaintances and are experts at getting men to do things for them. Pretending to be friends is one way to do that.
As regards F-F friendships: yeah, those suck too..... I think they just didn't evolve friendship in the same way that men have, but I don't know the details.
Biological basis: tricky, because you first need to find the biological basis of friendship in men. What's the benefit, what's the cost.
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Musicgoon78 3 7h ago
I think this is fucking retarded. I've got some really great female friends that are also musicians. They've been there for me when shit has hot the fan and when it's time to just go out and have fun.
Sounds like you are around low quality women. It's not gendered. A vast majority of people suck.
No-Stress-Cat 5h ago
That sounds like something a beta would say. Are you okay, bro? He's not being retarded. He's provided an astute observation.
Redpillpusher 2h ago
I don't care what you think, boomer. I should have specified "everyone except Musicgoon". You're constantly on all of my posts, this is utterly ridiculous. I thought I made it crystal clear that I would not take your advice seriously after you critiqued me for lacking "text game". I know mostly high quality people and a few low-lifes. The facts that all my male friends show desirable traits one wants in a friend, regardless of their "quality" as people, that the overwhelming majority of women I know/knew make subpar friends, despite being good mothers to their kids and "high quality" people in general, & that most of this forum agree with me in some way lets any logical person know that "hey, he might have a point". Now go spend some time with your grandkids and tell them that Jacqueline Kennedy story for the 30th time
No-Stress-Cat 6h ago
You are witnessing female nature at it's core. Society claims women to be more "social" and "emotionally connected" than men, but this is just putting a pretty bow on something far more sinister working behind the scenes. Basically, it's just a big game of sabotage. It is the basic building blocks on which the entirety of feminism is built on.
What is the greatest power a woman has, regardless of status or income? The ability to have children. The ability to continue the human race.
So what is this sabotage I'm referring to? Women's empowerment. Abortion. Career over family. Single women influencing women to stay single. Abandonment of marriage. Telling them to don't lower their standards and settle and to go get that bag from that man that doesn't exist. Making it impossible for poor women to financially have children. All of these things were strategically put into place for a reason.
This is what drives women to sabotage each other, to prevent them from having children, and if they do have children to take those children away. It is the core biological drive being played upon so that higher status women will have more resources for THEIR children to survive. They couldn't give a fuck about the other women. The less competition for resources, the better off their offspring will be.
And the best part is? Blaming it all on men. Men are the scapegoats that allow the charade to continue. "It's men's fault this is happening! It's the Patriarchy in full force! FEMINISM is the answer to all this Toxic Masculinity! We don't need men!"