Let's say, hypothetically, I was thinking of marrying or LTRing a born-again religious chick. What's wrong in that?
If someone doesn't want to do anything with modern women and their pop-culture infested brain, religious women seem to be the only option. Since actual religious women are rarer than diamond, born-again religious seem to be the only option.
Let's say the born-again religious chick is actually really on the program now, even if it was in part triggered by the wall. Well-read intellectual, slim, not bad for her age, fringes of feminism (so, also a bit masculine but nothing you could not handle with frame), spends daily time in religious activities, high-paying corporate job, no social media, not a fashion freak, and so on.
So, what's really wrong here?
Edit: *wrong. Someone please make it possible to edit the title.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 1y ago
Don't get married, doesn't matter if she's born again or not, just don't.
Problematic_Browser 1 1y ago
I'm reading your replies and it seems like you are intent on doing this regardless of anything we say.
TRPDuryodhana 1y ago
Oh, not at all lol. I'm not even in contact with the said woman right now.
I'm just bouncing off ideas really.
Because I only want to go for a religious woman in a future ltr, it's likely that I'll encounter other born-again types again. My past encounter made be consider her but I acted as per the standard TRP advice and moved on.
Now, I'm second guessing because I did see some signs of remorse and disappointment in her. And even considerable effort to change her ways (though not completely successful, as she is still surrounded by feminist men, women and culture at large).
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1y ago
Nailed it.
Gilles 1y ago
Born-again religious women are usually insane hoes pretending. If you're ok with that then go ahead
TRPDuryodhana 1y ago
I agree with insane hoes part, but not with the pretending part.
I have seen several of them trying to get their life in order, so I'll disagree with the pretending part. It's not perfect but it's a huge progress. If nice guys can work to become redpill bros, why shouldn't hoes get a second chance? They, too, were victims of an upside-down world in some sense.
Hugo_The_Great 1y ago
Because the 'born-again relgious' thing is an extreme countermeasure against hoe phase and being used as a cum dumpster by Chads.
It's good to realize the error of your mistakes, but by implementing something so extreme in the opposite direction, it tells me things have not completely resolved yet. A.k.a. underlying trauma.
TRPDuryodhana 1y ago
Unless you only believe in evo-psych as a model for human behavior, it's possible to think to that people can change their lives around.
Religion is a powerful force, as powerful as the need for sex and food, so it's believable. Heck, I am seeing it in front of eyes. It's not perfect for sure, as I can see the vestiges of whoredom underneath, but I'm not looking for a nun, right? So expecting perfection would be an overkill.
oowiw 1y ago
"Religion is a powerful force" - yes, if you are indoctrinated with it young and believe it literally.
If you choose it as an adult because you want some convenient benefits, you will never believe in the same way - you know deep down that if something else becomes more convenient and beneficial, you can change your choice.
If she chooses to be religious because that is optimal for her game as a single post wall woman, and then she stops being a single post wall woman, why wouldn't she choose something new? The original choice was predicated on the circumstances, change the circumstances and you change the choice.
TRPDuryodhana 1y ago
Not everything is about sex or relationships in life.
Although circumstances can be a part of it, these women have literally gone to extreme lengths to practice the religion. To the point of even observing celibacy, doing religious publicity, and so on. There was no maliciousness in these acts, they were not done out to trap a trad guy in relationship, even though they are still not paragons of virtue yet. You can sense sincerity when you see it.
oowiw 1y ago
The beauty of women’s nature is that she can be completely sincere and still that sincerity is focused on self benefit. She is sincerely religious when that is most advantageous and sincerely not when that is most advantageous. Her strategy is instinctive and the first person who falls for it is her. To use @Typo-MAGAshiv ‘s template, “(right now I feel) committed to God”
Hugo_The_Great 1y ago
It's not that I don't think it's possible to turn your life around, but why bring sky daddy into it?
Lots of women are cum dumpsters today, that's one extreme, religion & waiting until marriage is another extreme.
My point is, going from one extreme to the next, to me, is an indicator with a high likelihood of trouble.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 1y ago
You don't actually know though, you are just hoping that she doesn't relapse, just like a former crack junkie.
Would you trust a (former lol) crack junkie to be alone in a room with their drug of choice? Would you give them unfettered access to your bank account?
Because that's the tier of risk you are taking.
Worse, actually. Because people will usually have no issue admitting that you shouldn't have trusted a junkie, and may actually help you instead of kicking you while you are down.
Lone_Ranger 3 1y ago
"fringes of feminism....a bit masculine"
You realise that is her holding it in? Right? Like, she's trying to put the hooks in. If she can't be feminine in that stage, she is doomed.
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
The things they did before they were born again.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1y ago
Read the comments here, and check out the links within the comments
TRPDuryodhana 1y ago
Woah... Tradthots, hoejabi.... so many new types of women.
But I thought women changing their ways would be a good thing? You can say they fucked around and found out, and so, it doesn't count. But there can be special cases. Also, that woman in the link is still not a trad, the fact that she's on a dating app showing that much skin means she's just a liberal looking for trad husband benefits.
So she's not a born-again woman proper that I had in mind.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1y ago
No, they're the same old women. It's just the labels that are relatively new. Women are women, and always have been.
They're most likely faking it, deep down. Are you not familiar with the old saying "a leopard doesn't change its spots"? It's been around a very long time for a reason: it's true.
And they'll be convincing as hell, because they convince themselves. They'll truly feeeeeeel that they're a different person.
One of the handiest TRP tips to keep in mind is to mentally add "right now I feel" to anything a woman says. For example:
[right now I feel] sleeping around is a good thing, and my N-count doesn't matter
[right now I feel] you're the best I've ever had
[right now I feel] I will love you forever, and marriage is forever
[right now I feel] I'm boooooored and unhaaaaaaaaappy and want a divorce
Etc etc etc etc
1) For all intents and purposes, there's no such thing
2) that's an awfully big gamble to take with your time, everything you've earned, and your very life. I'm sure you're familiar with divorce stats already.
TRPDuryodhana 1y ago
Fair enough.
It's a risk. But compared to non-religious woman, wouldn't the risk still be lesser? In case of secular woman, things will be even more uncertain. For a man looking to have a family and it's stability in future, who would have less chances of going nuts: a fresh secular woman or (a beaten-up but possibly wiser) born-again religious woman?
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1y ago
You will never know if the transformation is genuine.
She might even feel genuinely "born again", but feelings change.
Do whatever you want, but be aware of the risks.
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
Is she also one of those "born-again virgins"? Jesus isn't a therapist, young brother.
lurkerhasarisen 1 1y ago
If she still retains vestiges of feminism, you’re betting against the house. If you’re determined to try your luck, sit her down, open the Bible to Ephesians 5, read verses 22-33 together, and ask her if she’s absolutely, 100% on board with every last word of that.
Every. Last. Word.
She will almost certainly express disagreement and / or trot out the scripture about “mutual submission” (which is a passage that has nothing to do with marriage that is routinely taken out of context by feminist “Christians” to negate wifely submission to their husbands). Anything less than enthusiastic agreement is a giant red flag. She should be able to explain what it means in her own words… bonus points if she can explain why it matters.
TRPDuryodhana 1y ago
Most modern women, or even religious places, are not going to accept anything like this. That world is long gone, in most places.
lurkerhasarisen 1 1y ago
Granted, but a woman who doesn’t accept that isn’t wife-grade.