Bit of a weird question, but there's something I've noticed with guys who go from "can't get laid" to "great with women" after they do the self improvement. They go to the gym, they get a real job, they move out of their parent's house and get a place of their own, they become a BETTER person in all areas in terms of what they have to OFFER for their partner (not their personality or character).
Many women don't give the guy a chance when he's struggling and doesn't have the qualities of a provider, but once he has the qualities of a provider after doing self improvement, he's all of a sudden relevant in her world.
Something I've noticed is a lot of these guys go BACK to being blue pilled (believing that women care about him and totally NOT what he has to offer). They begin to say "oh, I was just an incel, there's absolutely nothing wrong with modern dating at all". When they don't realize that the ONLY reason they are getting laid is because of the red pill. He fail's to realize that the women that surround him wouldn't dare look his way if he didn't have provider qualities. It's basically like they wait for him at the finish line in terms of life.
What's your synopsis?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
Usually they have excelled with women to the point they think their SMV and game has finally landed them a unicorn and then she turns him into a beta
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wswZtyqNGQ 2y ago
You can take the kid out of the cult, but you can't take the cult out of the kid.
User4566 2y ago
Any way you can elaborate?
chadinthemaking69 2y ago
You can take the kid out of the bluepill, but you can’t take the bluepill out of the kid.
Some people need a substantial event for the red pill to be forced down their throats.
No-Stress-Cat 2y ago
This here.
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RedPill115 2y ago
Women often want men who act red pill but repeat blue pill platitudes.
He gets successful and finds that acting red pill, while verbalizing blue pill concepts, is the most effective for him in terms of dating and getting laid.
User4566 2y ago
No, I mean guys online who post anonymously.
RedPill115 2y ago
The dynamics before it became psychotic was, that it's a matter of where you are starting from. I remember this friend and I were discussing this video where this big tough black guy from the ghetto was giving a big speech on how "we need to treat women better".
And for him, you could see where he was coming from, he grew up with drug dealers and gang bangers and he himself was a massive threat if he wanted to be. For that guy to tone it down a bit might bring him more success. To the audience of fellow gangbangers he had in mind his speech might make sense.
Then the camera pans to the audience, and it's the exact opposite - a bunch of scrawny not-a-threat-if-they-needed-to-be white guys. This speech was pure sabotage for them.
It was about where you started - and the guys listening the most to the message were the guys who had spent their entire life trying to "treat women better" and "be less of a threat" to the point that they were invisible to women and a threat to absolutely no one at all no matter how much that person might deserve it.
But then politics made it a pathological thing, and now it's more like I said above, like this. Just repeat back to the person what they want to hear while you do...whatever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOVJ3zaQnYo
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
Agree with your post.
For men going from zero upwards, they think they can use the red pill to achieve blue pill goals. Getting women is fairly easy, accepting female nature is much harder. It's often an identity level change, and that's hard.
When they get laid they flip from "women are awful" to "women are awesome"..... which is another way to fail to accept their nature.
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whytehorse2021 2y ago
That happened to me. I stumbled upon red pill quite by accident while searching to see if there is a real red pill and not just a movie version. That was back before all the censoring of red pill content. I had some cognitive dissonance at first which made me turn my back on it but it was always there in the back of my mind, eating at me. I didn't really need red pill since I was already married and she was cool with me being blue pilled.
So I think guys get comfortable with their woman and then they're done. They've met their life-long goal of getting a woman. They don't have themselves as their mental point of origin. And then they get dumped or divorced and are like wtf? That's when they swallow the red pill for good.
RxRedpill 2y ago
It’s our gynocentric society.
Redpill is a conscious choice you must make every day.
hannulv 2y ago
Committing to a woman is the first step of betafication. You are essentially giving her the key to your chastity belt. This is absolute power over a man, and will eventually be used to completely subjugate him.
It's like when a black widow spider bites off the head of her mate and lays her eggs in the body. Her wiring is to work to completely subdue the man, turn him into her plowhorse, and secure protection and support for her offspring, before moving on to other men so she can diversify the genepool of her progeny and give her genes the best chance for long-term survival.