Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
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2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate forum.
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3. No comments such as "Her profile looks decent", "She's not asking for much", "At least she's honest". No comments saying a post is fake without proof. Proof must be sent via modmail.
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5. Submissions must show a woman who is looking for commitment while also either complaining about jerks or promiscuity, needing her kids provided for, being entitled or unreasonable, or complaining that she "can't find a decent guy". (Examples, details)
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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Itburns12345 3y ago
Anyone notice the giant b.s alert going off in their heads after reading this?
Men are bashed for chasing younger women online yet the article ends with encouraging older women to do the same!
Article really should read women whinging at guys doing fun shit realizes theres no fucking law stopping them doing the same instead of moaning about it!
SCCock 3y ago
48?
Not on the market as I am a happily married 62 year old. 6'1" and when I retire in a couple of years should be pulling in double the average income for my age, without touching my savings.
That being said, hell no.
FlamingGoldenCock 3y ago
Fuckin LOL.
PlainTundra 3y ago
Apex fallacy. Only 40-50 yr old men able to pick up younger models (aka top men) exist in their eyes.
Anonymous_fiend 3y ago
If that's her competition she either needs to compensate somehow or lower her standards. That's how it's always worked for men and women. A 5'8 50 year old who makes 40k and is slightly overweight isn't getting attention from women in their 20s. Her competition will be less/lower value so she has a chance of securing one of these men if she puts effort. Since obviously neither are likely to happen complaining, getting a pet, and dying alone are a high probability.
Also these younger women are using these same apps to cherry pick men. But when men complain about it they're incels. The top % of people have more choices and get to be picky/explore their option. Supply and demand. There's too many single women 40+ and not enough "dateable" men. The tables have turned and game sucks when you aren't on top. At least 50% of men are used to it sucking and didn't get a short period on top to invest wisely with. That temporary period is a privilege not a right.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Especially “cherry pick” - which implies not just getting together with any 25 year old that would have them
There was a red pill themed channel where there was a grey haired guy who clearly had loads of money and the woman’s tiktok was showing their relationship and basically what he bought for her. She was maybe just above average but was at least 20 years younger than him
I wouldn’t call this “cherry picking” from the younger models
Duchat 3y ago
So despite their SMV falling like a poop chute in an airplane, she's still only interested in men who's SMV is exploding like a rocket, in the opposite direction.
PlainTundra 3y ago
Touché.
tamuzbel 3y ago
They've essentially worked minimum wage jobs their entire life metaphorically speaking, and they're bitching because they can't afford a Bugatti.
Liberal_follies 3y ago
Or for another metaphor, studied underwater basketweaving in college and spent their entire careers applying for CEO of a major company while working at Starbucks to pay off their student debt.
tamuzbel 3y ago
To add to that, they were given a full ride scholarship and stipend on their looks.
Traksimuss 3y ago
Of course. Those women are mortified when a man of their own SMV tries to pick them.
Liberal_follies 3y ago
Confirmable by just about any young man from his first year of high school onward.
Hit on some butt-ugly walrus on a dare? OH GOD RUN SHE LIKED IT.
Hit on some the girl next door? Say hello to the principal's office...
panzer22222 3y ago
Queeens dont settle!!! Evar!
V_M 3y ago
A man of their own SMV probably married some chick five years before "Ms. Late-to-the-Party" got the idea of trying to marry a guy.
If I was an average hotness 50-something I'd have married a chick 25 years ago and the kids are leaving for college around now and my wife would not approve of my dating an empty egg carton spinster.
If I was a somewhat hot 50-something and only able to still pull in hot 30-somethings I'd probably marry one because I'd be nervous I'm losing my touch, better get me a 30-something hottie while I can still get one. Sucks to be a somewhat hot 50-something who's my looks-match and age-match, but nobody ever said the life of an empty egg carton was gonna be easy.
If I was a hot (or rich, or both) 50-something banging 25 year old women every night, why would I bother locking down, if I marry some chick she's just going to get one year older every year an I don't want that if I can date 25 year olds until I'm elderly.
So she does have a semi legit point, guys are either not hot enough to get college cheerleaders so they married off years ago, or they are hot enough in which case they have no use for an elderly empty egg carton.
I think chicks miss the point that if their "type" is guys who only date 25-year old hotties, that's friggin amazing for her if she's coincidentally also a 25-year old hottie IRL. But how did she think that would turn out as she ages into her 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s while her "type" remains guys who only date 25-year old hotties?
Think of buying cars; I'm the type of guy who wanted to buy a mid-90s Saturn. Which was pretty awesome in the mid-90s. And I had my fun with that car. But I've had to either change my preferences with the times, or I'd have to learn to love the car-free lifestyle and write shit-tier articles for lifestyle rags about how kids these days don't like classic cars and everything wrong is always someone else's fault and all that nonsense.
Qwesterly 3y ago
Leo?
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
There was a tiktok that is clipped by lots of channels of a woman (actually in her 30s so not even 40s) talking about how she logged into OLD and thought “who are all these old men” and realised they were her age
If that is what some women think about guys in their 30s who are far more likely to have smaller bellies and more hair then imagine how they look at guys in their 50s who actually message them. I expect I will find out one day!
But women are mortified when men of their SMV try to pick them at almost any age. Because for a great many of them they drastically over value themselves. I guess when younger it is more mortified when men of their RMV/MMV try. But many still overvalue their SMV as well (just look at body positivity including Lizzo trying to hit on Chris Evans as an example)
John_Savage69 3y ago
Females can use tons of makeup, hairstyling, and dress to "appear" to be younger. How many grey haired 45 yr olds do you see?
Men, on the other hand generally don't have the time, resources, or inclination to get hair plugs, put on makeup, and rid themselves of crows feet, stress lines, or grey hair. 30s-40s men also wear beards these days which makes them look older. The older "distinguished" look *used* to be seen as attractive, but with a neverending supply of 20 yr old studs on Tinder, that distinguished look tends not to attract females anymore
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Your first point is a good one. One of my friends is under 35 and she has mostly grey hair and is just going with it (but she is married with two kids so isn’t competing for a guy). Suggests this is potentially true of many
Hair plugs (if we are thinking about the same thing) are expensive. And makeup is just frowned upon as a guy
Certainly explains the perceived SMV difference
Beards is a weird one. Looking distinguished is likely only a reason for some. There is also:
Traksimuss 3y ago
A lot of 35 year olds also have less hair or more kilos compared to younger models, crow feet and just bit burned by life.
But they will never be able to assess themselves critically and accept male matching their value.
Duchat 3y ago
Another experiment had singles, men and women, looking for their "equal". They all had a number on their forehead with their approximate SMV score. They were told to match with their level. All the women connected with men with a higher number and all the men chose women with a lower number.
Overlordofwhatever 3y ago
2 things: they are the ones who want the top men in their 40s and 50s and men that are at the peaks of their career and so they can suck it, I have 0 sympathy And 2nd of all why do they think they should be dating at that age, they should be fulfilling other goals, either career wise and or family wise. Wild ho phase has a limit for a reason, otherwise humanity would have been torn down way before we even learnt how to use tools
V_M 3y ago
In the article the Broom chick is the only one who gets it:
"when I'm out selling at farmers' markets I talk to lots of lovely men, with their lovely wives and children beside them."
Leftover empty egg cartons sometimes as ask where are all the good men, but at least this individual women gets it, those good men are standing next to their wives they married years ago. She's too late to the party.
If you're bored you can visit certain toxic subreddits where the crab-pot-ers screech in anger at any women suggesting marriage at an age before she's too old to get married, LOL. Get back in the crab pot with me LOL!
If you're in an auction market and your biddable resource is dropping every year (youthful good looks) and there are fewer bidding items each year (guys married off), its inevitable there will be bidders whom were too picky and took too long to put in a bid and ended up with NOTHING but boxed wine and cats.
Another way to look at it, is you can draw a graph of the hottest guy a woman can "catch" by marriage by age. It don't go up forever LOL... I'd say arguably it peaks around 20 to 22, after that its all downhill. Actually its more a graph vs woman's weight, which in the standard high carb diet always goes up over time, but same difference. If a woman's minimum acceptable man-value drops more slowly than her woman-value, she simply will never get married no matter how hot she was at 21 or whatever her woman-value peak was.
One interesting thing the article missed is old women can do some things pretty well that MIGHT lure in a guy if they changed their strategy. The standard online dating profile for women is a picture of their tits and a list of ways she wants to spend a guy's money, the oldest business transaction ever. This Broom chick, whom is apparently a successful professional baker, would probably get a lot more action if her online dating profile had a nice clean table for two with amazing food on it and a caption "want to come home to this every day?" I mean, I like my wife, but if she posted a picture of a steak dinner and a slice of pecan pie and a tasteful salad, nice glass of wine, maybe some kind of appetizer ... There's lots of hungry guys on online dating, in more ways than one... but nah, chicks profiles are always "tits for trade, here's my shopping list" and I bet that Broom lady has the same type of profile, just maybe they got flour dusted on them a bit or she wants to spend your money to get a nicer stand mixer for her kitchen or whatever.
Huge_Sell1806 3y ago
Its The Guardian, a left wing uk 'newspaper' that positively hates men.
3HardWay 3y ago
If only men's erections were better at debate. Women everywhere, aged 45 to 55, agree they are much better than women aged 25.
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3HardWay 3y ago
It's the new HAES ---> CAEA "Correct at every age"
A woman's prerogative is to be right at all times in every situation.
dzikun 3y ago
"I am," she wrote, "a plankton on the food chain of sexuality and the prospect of a relationship."
Yup.. more or less.
panzer22222 3y ago
Because married women hate single women around their high value men. They know their single friend would stab them in the back in a heart beat for a chance to take her man.
I have never know a guy to chase after his married friends wives but women have no problems. they will smile and be besties to your wife, all the while they are giving you the 'eye'.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Yeah I had a friend tell me the other day that I would always be welcome to join them (her and her husband and their kids) for holidays in the far future - context being lamenting about Holidays many years in the future when my parents will not be around
It may not pan out that way but even still I’m not sure it would be the same if I was a woman who was lonely and desperate for a man. Especially if I was childless (with a figure that reflects that) compared to the woman giving the offer
So when I read the first half I did think about how these stories about how “my friends who are couples no longer want me around” usually only apply to women.
Maybe because men don’t have a circle that is as large and / or often when there is a divorce the “couple friends” tend to side with the woman if she blames the guy
One-Move 3y ago
I find it amusing how the article is kind of on the truth until they do the usual „we have to give them hope“ Immelmann turn, (young man go after old women for their maturity)
Overkillengine 3y ago
That's a massive cope and also, gross. What's pleasurable to a man is a fit and enthusiastic partner, and worn out spinsters that can barely conceal their resentment (and desperation for a retirement plan) offer neither.
Vespasians 3y ago
"It hard to find men especially in london"
I also struggle to meet people in one of the most populous and densely packed cities on the planet... Fuck off author!
Dumloko 3y ago
Because your definition of "men" is quite different to hers.
V_M 3y ago
This is one of those "inside baseball" type things but England is hyper segregated and London is only about 1/3 white people and rapidly dropping, whereas The Guardian pats itself on the back in public for decreasing it's white employee percentage from 90% to merely 89%, as if being white is bad or some equally racist concept. So if you're an old white woman, reading a newspaper made by and for only white people, in a city that is minority white, you're gonna have trouble finding a white guy to date. If she lived in a white city it would be different for her, at least WRT percentages.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Yeah, London is vastly different than the rest of England. I remember someone (I think John Cleese?) got heat for saying that London isn’t an “English” city anymore. Because apparently it’s a foreign concept to wokeanda that Europeans could have indigenous people groups, too.
But yes, finding a man as an older woman in London is easier said than done. Most people who are in their 50’s and able to live in the city are wealthy, and they’ve the pick of the litter. They’d probably have better luck renting a home in Cornwall until they met a single man in the countryside who is interested in being with them.
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This blog was at planktonlife.wordpress.com
Dalrock did at least one piece about her.
Rev_Irreverent 3y ago
She says she's the plankton in today's dating ecology, but that's not true. The plankton are eaten.
NBA_MSG 3y ago
Men in their 20s: Women date all the older guys. It sucks but trudge through and make the best of it
Women in their 40s: Why do men insist on dating younger women? Why can't they see us and value us and date someone their own age? This is a major issue. Articles need to be written and studies conducted in order to right this grievous wrong.
caseroledream 3y ago
Hey gentlemen! What’s the matter with you? This woman is confident and sexually mature! Why would you ever choose a young woman over someone so confident and sexually mature? You must not be real men! For shame!
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3HardWay 3y ago
It will pay off in the end! She knows how excited men get for mature women packing loaded retirement funds and wearing fancy corporate titles.
lemko1968 3y ago
Those guys are usually catfish scammers from Nigerian call centers hoping to land a whale.
HungryBrain1 3y ago
And of course it ends of the hopeful note of some exceptional circumstance where it worked out anyhow. Happy fantasies for the kids.
onlypinhead2000 3y ago
This is old news. This was covered to death in the manos here. She either:
A) Divorced a good man, because he was too boring and stable. She just had to ride the carousel.
B) She banged a ton of chads, and she never found her prince charming.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
And it is happening earlier as well.
It is galling talking to a 29 years old who talks about being “single” for 6 years and her saying “I don’t do FWB and dating. Only interested in long term”.
And then her going on to reveal (when pressed) that her opposition to “dating” is because she had dated guys who either dated other women at the same time (which most really can’t pull off) or disappeared as soon as she tried to make it official
That just screams that she was batting out of her league and is broken by it and that any future guy would have to jump through loads of hoops to prove they aren’t a “time waster”. They don’t realise how negative and unappealing that comes across
VxRadiant 3y ago
So what I was able to understand:
As soon as you - as a woman - hit 40+, your difficulty in the dating scene rises to roughly half the difficulty men have to endure for their entire life?
Thats hard to accept, I can fully understand that. /s
You always bring inner values and outer values into a relationship. When your outer values deteriorate over the years, you should have built some inner value until then. When I read stuff like "years ago everyone wanted to date me but now nobody wants any more" then guess what: You were only beautiful on the outside.
panzer22222 3y ago
If you have always lifted at most is a 2kg weight vs the guy that lifts 20kg suddenly having to lift 10kg is impossible.
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
I’m really going to need to see this “science” that shows that women in their 40s are in their sexual prime. I’m a compounding pharmacist who makes hormone replacement products for this age demographic and I’ll call bullshit on this. What a load of rubbish. If they were in their prime they wouldn’t need hormones to maintain.
Ayrab4Trump 3y ago
It’s called false advertising. Relax
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Maximum-Complaint-68 3y ago
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Buchwild 3y ago
There's a lot of men who are privy to the game and how stacked the courts are if you have to pay alimony or child support but there's a percentage that are willing to take those arrows and barbs because they want their genetics to pass on. For these men, women like this are literally invisible.
lemko1968 3y ago
Ugh! She’s 48? My Mom who is 75 looks better than her!
Hayekr 3y ago
Lol same here, my mom is 72 and looks slightly better than this woman.
It's amazing how evolution has primed women to peak in their early 20's and then they fall off a cliff visually within 10-15 years of that.
It's literally nature saying "You need to reproduce now while you look the best; because soon enough that candle is going to burn out and not only will it be more difficult to attract a mate, it will be much more difficult to conceive and birth a child. Don't waste your best years".
biccat 3y ago
doubt
Goldmansachs3030 3y ago
We do not want that pleasure, better would be both getting on it together. It is funny how your body is sacred, how you are scared of men, but then you should not be judged for sleeping around with men.
DrDog09 3y ago
A 25yo is easier to train than a 55yo. Simple fact. Then of course there are all the usual red flag aspects that come with all that.
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DrDog09 3y ago
Indeed on all counts.
reignoferror00 3y ago
Looks like an editor didn't look closely at a quote and can be interpreted as something that isn't pro-woman relationship wise:
"Women are more loyal to a company than men, they don't follow the biggest pay cheque and companies are starting to wake up to that and to develop and look after those kind of women. And they will have got where they are in their careers by juggling far fewer balls on the way up."
If they stopped and looked at what "Women are more loyal to a company than men" really says about those women I'm sure they wouldn't have printed that quote.
Hayekr 3y ago
TIL - Women preferring to wallow in predictable, mid-range, monotonous, intellectually stultifying paper pushing jobs for decades at the same company instead of climbing the professional ladder like men do = They are more "loyal" to the company than men are.
user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
If companies begin to "look after those kind of women", it will be interesting to see cases brought by men for sex discrimination. Be on the look out.
Fairwareprovidence 3y ago
I love how these articles always play it like men in their 40s and 50s just go out and effortlessly attract 25 year old girls.
No. That shit takes some serious effort. 80 percent or more of the men will never be able to pull that off.
One-Move 3y ago
Yes, but again, the top level guys she likes to have do so. I am 52, reasonable well off and on shape and there is no reason what so ever, that I would date a 52 year old. I have gotten the usual „you just like children“ crap, but since a 50+ has no attraction for me at all her shaming attempt went wide
PlainTundra 3y ago
Because only top men can do that so they extrapolate it to all men due to the apex fallacy. The bottom 95% of men than can't pull 25 yr olds are invisible to them.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Yup. Generally, I don’t see women dating older men regularly (and when I say older men, I don’t mean a 20 year old woman dating a 25 year old man) until their mid to late 30’s. A guy who is in his 50’s could date a woman in her 30’s-40’s no problem. But 20’s? That’s a stretch.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Absolutely. And this is one of the big problems with some red pill stuff. It tells you this and nods at work being required. But it still won’t be possible for all.
And there will always be young women who are creeped out by much older guys no matter what their resources or the like
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InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
The being fit for yourself is a big one because in this age of instagram (and OLD apps) showing everyone the peak of some people unless you have great genetics and/or start using PEDs the chance of getting a physique that becomes really noticeable is not overly high
It isn't impossible. But it is also a lot of work both in and out the gym. If you are doing it for women solely (or even mainly) then you are either going to have a bad time or you are going to do all sorts of stuff that will be really bad for your heart
Higgs_deGrasse_Boson 3y ago
Like their boomer parents, those who swear by the red pill are products of their time. There is definitely truth and lessons to be learned from TRP, but it's far from the gospel that a lot of men here sell it as.
V_M 3y ago
Pew research "unmarried adults" survey shows 62% of men in that demographic are currently married. Ever married is closer to eighty percent, so never married is around twenty percent, so your guess is a reasonable lower bound, the currently married plus "forever alone" guys adds up to 82% so, yeah, 80% or more are definitely in the never category.
That leaves the 1 in 5 guys who are divorced and not re-married and I don't think all of those guys are banging 25 year old women.
Your estimate of 80 percent is a lower bound but its too low, its probably more like 95% to 98% of guys aged 45 will not get 25 year old women.
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Wow. The number of never married men age 40-59 is 20%? That's a really big number.
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Yeah. agree with all of it. But his math is that 20% of men between age 40 and 59 have never been married. I think that's quite significant. One in 5 men in that age cohort has never been married.
That's quite different from my experience of men growing up. Nearly ALL men who had reached age 40 either were married or had been married. Most unmarried men at that age were divorced, with a few widowers. Most never-married men at 40 and up were either out of the closet gay, severely mentally disabled, or abject losers. That was not more than 5% of men.
Euroguy80 3y ago
I would venture a guess these 5% involuntarily unmarried are still there. But now, they are accompanied by another \~5% at the top who just don't need to settle down (the Leonardos) and another 10% somewhere in the 'going one's own way'-spectrum, so to speak; ranging from being okay with casual hookups to full monk mode.
weightyboy 3y ago
Jesus many a hamster ran an ultra marthon in writing that article.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Ah, this is some old school propaganda. I think I remember reading this one.
Women really need to ask what they can offer a man, that a man can’t either get himself, get from friends, or pay for. The answer: kids. Men value younger women because they can have kids. Then they value their wives, because they help each other in raising the kids. So, for example, what benefit would a 50 year old man have in combining his life and finance to a 50 year old woman? Assuming the man is doing well in that regard. Wouldn’t it make more sense for that man to remain single, date women and stick with one who fits his lifestyle at the time (and remain single when they don’t), or marry a woman 20 years younger who could potentially have kids?
Also, the idea that age = maturity is crap. And this isn’t me picking on women; it’s for men, too. I’ve seen many men who, in their 20’s, are hungry, hard working, and disciplined. Get older and begin to give in to their vices as they gain more certainty in their life, their finances, their profession, and so on. Or maybe got burned in younger relationships and now have no desire to commit to women. Or maybe they just had Peter Pan syndrome.
It’s also ridiculous to claim that someone is wrong for being attracted to certain things (assuming it’s not degenerate and disgusting, like being interested in children). People like what they like. If a 50 year old man only wants to date women 20-25, then I see no issue here. It’s like how women tend to all be attracted to exclusively the top 10% guys. It’s silly to be mad about it, it just is how it is.
user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
The article uses a handful of terms that have abstract and/or vague definitions.
Just as age is not maturity, maturity is not responsible behavior. Maturity is a term based on opinion. To an older person giving in to their vices, this might count as maturity in their mind understanding where their are in their life - perhaps they've reached the maturity of "not caring anymore".
From Wikipedia:
I think this is a good definition of maturity as it refers to functional development of the object versus some expected behavior, but this definition would not be useful in casting the best light for the women in the article; in fact, it might provide a more truthful light and reveal their flaws more.
Polonagrom 3y ago
Quality jojoke detected.
kapriece 3y ago
Did she write this ass backwards? Women had their pick in their twenties. Ignoring that the tables turn doesn't help her argument. Watching the show is very entertaining.
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My favorite line:
Susan Broom is a bubbly woman with a ready laugh who is 48, single, and has now given up actively looking for a man, certainly online, and is not afraid to admit that she does feel the sadness of that.
"I gave up internet dating when I realised it was only older men who were contacting me, which doesn't really interest me. I prefer men of my own age. But a lot of those men my age are only looking at women in their 20s or 30s.
Beldams can't be choosers. She would rather die old and alone with than "settle" for someone below her standards. She should feel lucky that someone...anyone...was even willing to give her the time of day. Even with one foot in the grave and no options, she's still holding out for "The One."
Boar_excrement Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
It read like a lot of whining about sprained ankles. Sounds like the laydeez could not stick the landing of the cock carousel or the divorce rollercoaster. You wanted the ride, now pay the price.
The really sad part is they were repeatedly warned this would end badly for them. All of them. There is no shortage of examples of how this could go wrong. But that does not matter because Cosmo told them they could have it all. Their romance fiction novels assured them they could land an upgrade to their current man. But it rarely works that way.
And now, they are back on the scene marketing themselves as 'sexually mature.' Sorry, but we get the most juice out of fresh fruit. You have already been squeezed and I don't want the dregs.
NEXT.
IceCorrect 3y ago
Only by men, but they were just bitter and misogynist so it was better to hear from older ladies who shout all the time "You go girl"
3HardWay 3y ago
Agree, it is hilarious that they throw these words around without thinking of the images it conjures in the minds of the men they claim to want.
Sexually mature = pussy smells like mothballs
Sexually mature = roast beef left for a week out in the hot summer sun
Liberal_follies 3y ago
Sexually mature = Half-pound Arby's sandwich with extra sauce.
3-10 3y ago
I was 25 and having FWB of a 45 year old. What was funny was she wasn’t anywhere near as sexually adventurous as the 22 year old I was with previously and the girl in her 20s I left her for.
Sexually mature does not in anyway equate with sexually fun.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
They really think “sexually mature” is a good thing don’t they?
Liberal_follies 3y ago
These are the same people who show straight-up porn to 10 year olds, hand out free condoms and call it "Sex ed".
John_Savage69 3y ago
"sexually mature" = "I've had at least 3 STDs, 2 abortions, and probably have incurable herps or HPV. I'm so used to getting off with my vibrator that no man will ever be able to satisfy me, particularly with my memories of all the Chads who railed me when I was younger."
Liberal_follies 3y ago
Don't forget the crazy Ex's. I nearly got pounded by one who was released from jail early and walked 12 miles to his former bangtoy's house.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
I had a partner once who had only ever got off with her vibrator before our relationship. And she had to position herself in a certain way
And she wasn’t a CC rider. She had been in a long relationship before where either the guy was not attentive or she didn’t communicate her needs/likes or both.
A better sex life that she had ever had didn’t stop her from (suddenly) blowing up our relationship though. Like with most things I expect she very quickly took it for granted and assumed it was easily located elsewhere as part of a general upgrade
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V_M 3y ago
The article's laughable claims are full of weasel words such as above because they know them to be untrue.
The Guardian is funded by people who like to be told to feel good and superior, kind of like PBS, so their articles tend more towards the chewing gum for the mind rather than their competition which just pushes corporate propaganda and ad copy.
OddBelt987 3y ago
I think there is some evidence that women’s sex drives increase as they approach menopause - but it’s likely just their body’s last ditch effort at reproducing before it’s too late.
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pyr0phelia 3y ago
So close, yet so far away.
polishknightusa 3y ago
There's so much in that above sentence. Imagine if they could go back in time. Would it have turned out any differently or would they still have waited to "meet" the "right person" sitting around expecting him to provide the "right" relationship on a silver platter?
What disgusted me back even in the 1980's was the apathy of so many bourgeoisie women, even working class women, who had the attitude that men were the "lucky ones" to pay all the bills.
PaulWrit 3y ago
"Susan Quilliam, a relationships expert"
Translation: seasoned CC rider.
sleepyweaselisawake Plowing his way through muck while misquoting Office Space 3y ago
"I do feel it's not really talked about very openly," said Broom. "There are a lot of women out there who are in their late 40s and early 50s who don't have children, but would happily have had them if they'd met the right person."
They had thousands of options and passed on every one of them.
"It's an invisible band of women, they don't complain and they just get on with their lives, but actually it's tough for them."
They complain incessantly, anyone who's been on the internet knows this.
3HardWay 3y ago
Made me laugh.
A woman who doesn't complain? What fabled land do they travel from?
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
“They don’t complain” - in an article that is solely about them complaining
Invisible women whose lives are tough? As one of the legions of invisible men who goes through life without a compliment for years at a time (among other things) I have absolutely no sympathy. I am doing my best not to get really angry at the entitlement
If men speak the way these women are they are labelled entitled incels and told they are not owed anything from women. And yet a reverse is completely acceptable and published in a newspaper ?
weightyboy 3y ago
There is a sidebar article about whamens being human beings and men being human doings, fits this perfectly. I refer to it slightly differently (based on raiders of the lost ark), whamens are passing through life but men ARE life.
jmpires 3y ago
Unless she frames time in >2 decade chunks, both sides of 45 are wrong…
Ok-Adeptness4906 3y ago
Women divorce in their 40s and 50s, encouraged by their "friends", and are astonished to find they aren't as desirable as they were when they got engaged in their 20s.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
It is interesting how a common critique of men is that they are obsessed with porn and get the wrong ideas about sex and desirability from it
And yet we get comments in this article about women in their 40s having a lot to offer sexually
Apart from just outright lying to themselves (which of course we can’t rule out) a very real explanation is how much MILF porn there is out there and how it always appears very high on popular search terms (I think usually below Teen but there you go).
So maybe women are also being (at least indirectly) influenced by this despite all their criticism
I think a lot of the largest mainstream sites prioritise these “milf” types over young natural looking girls and the theory is that this is algorithm driven. I saw a discussion thread on this somewhere
Difference is that porn actually considers a MILF to be in their 30s and they very much have their weight under control. Some go into 40s. But 50s - not really
V_M 3y ago
Reddit is definitely not a mainstream site, not in politics or pr0n or anything, but since we can't link to subreddits, the obviously named subreddit for the MILFs has 1653730 subscribers as of right now, and a competing subreddit for teens of a legal age (aka college freshwomen and sophomores only) has 2193311 subscribers, about a third more interest. Of course there's one MILF subreddit with the obvious name, and about one zillion pr0n subreddits almost entirely non-MILF women, so milf is obviously even more niche genre.
"They" work as a unified cooperative group to push an agenda, recall the recent fad of step-brother step-sister stuff because they were going to push to legalize that, although it did not sell well so they gave up after awhile. I'm sure they'll legalize it eventually.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
I was talking about algorithms / watch rates on the porn sites. Not Reddit
Unless I am confused and you are pointing to Reddit group rates as some kind of evidence that mainstream sites are pushing the “wrong” thing ?
OddBelt987 3y ago
I’ve found that “MILF” in the porn world tends to include any woman who has more curves than a prepubescent boy
user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Are you a guy or girl? Do you watch a lot of porn?
Mister_McDerp 3y ago
Yeah, thats the deal you got by being a woman. The world basically lies at your feet until you are 30 and as long as you keep yourself safe, you will only win win win no matter what.
After that, however...
??? say what now?
Sexual peak for women is NOT in the range this article is talking about. Not even fucking close.
Not even for men. The actual PEAK when it comes to physical potential (so also sexual imo) is actually fairly similiar for men and women. IIRC 26 for men, 24 women? Don't quote me on that.
Jesus christ they are actually serious:
Yeah OK I'm willing to believe a 45 year old has learned more stuff than a 25 year old. Hell, maybe she is even more motivated because she knows she has to compensate. But every man knows that the differences between a 25 year old and a 45 year old are unsurmountable. You could be an actual sex goddess and a 25 year old will still be more attractive to men than you.
Edit: Once again, this also goes for men. I'm 32 and most 23 year old men will build up muscle, recover from injuries etc. faster than me.
News flash: Getting old sucks and you'll be past your (physical) prime faster than you can blink.
Tgunner192 3y ago
THen go date science
Mister_McDerp 3y ago
Would if I could.
MrSnoo_47248 3y ago
I see no one of 45 giving me the same esthetic pleasure as one of 25.
fatandfly 3y ago
What you mean to tell me you'd rather fuck a 25 year old as opposed to a 45 year old like the article suggest? That part made me laugh. I don't know if most women are delusional or if they just lie to themselves. They gotta know at some point they won't be getting the attention anymore, but their ego has been fed so much that they truly believe they are special and they'll be the exception.
lorum_ipsum_dolor 3y ago
Perhaps it's both.
V_M 3y ago
I do know the "lifestyle rag" this is published wants to sell more subscriptions to 50-something "relationship challenged" women, so "you go girl every guy wants to bang you, and by the way, did you also know that you can get two years subscription to our great lifestyle advice for the low, low price of ..."
bardownhalfclap 3y ago
I was wondering the other day, after having dealt with several, why so many old and older women are such assholes to deal with. Bitter, rude, entitled, snappy. My theory is they got used to a world where they were always told yes, catered to in every way, and had their pick of partners...
--until they are undesirable--
After that all or most of the privilege goes away. No more free food, free drinks, people agreeing with every stupid idea that falls out of your mouth, no more free baubles and vacations, no more undeserved and unearned validation.
It must be confusing and frustrating to go through your life being told you are a perfect being and then have it suddenly evaporate one day. Thus, the bitter old woman is born.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Back when I was more BP, I went on a date with a woman 9 years older than me. She looked good for her age, NGL. But it didn’t take long before it was obvious that I had made a mistake. She was extremely bitter and snappy towards me towards the end of the date. She even decided to call and chew me out afterwards. In retrospect, I appreciate the psycho chew out because it helped wake me up to how women think. More importantly, from an anecdotal POV (not just from her, but other women), I don’t see where this “maturity” meme comes from. The entitlement in many older women is crazy. It’s like they believe that they’re still the 23 year old that guys go crazy for.
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InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
The thing is about the being more motivated because they know they have to compensate is just false. Women clearly don’t think like this.
Otherwise single mothers would actually come to the “negotiation” with a list of what they offer over and above someone without kids. But they don’t. I don’t see why older women would be any different
As to the ages - I have always seems that a woman’s sexual (note: not fertility) peak is 28-30. Maybe into mid 30s. Presumably as it is the “last best time” to try for kids. Still possible after of course but much much harder
As you mention - it is definitely not the 40s and 50s
Mister_McDerp 3y ago
Yeah it was a pretty big maybe. I was basically playing devils advocate there.
V_M 3y ago
"Fake it till you make it" mentality?
With respect to online dating profiles, the picture of the tits is to lure in Chad only, and the text of her shopping list is either to repel Billy Beta or repel him after she gets his money in exchange for a quickie, maybe.
I'm not sure what sexual peak would mean outside of who's getting chased the hardest. By 28 they're starting to sag, wrinkle, and plump up. Hope they found a guy before then, or hope they like boxed wine and cats. If the peak is getting chased the hardest, actual data seems to imply the sexual peak is around the College Cheerleader range.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Sexual peak in of the 28-30 is always spoken of with reference to their hormones and drive.
You seem to be reading this as “Sexual desirability” peak. It is not that
Saying they are starting to wrinkle and sag and plump up at 28 is an overly extremist view in my book. Sure some do - if they party too hard, eat too much, have too much Sun etc
Granted the majority now do one or more of those things. But many do those things earlier and earlier
But again - this discussion is not about how desirable they are. The common thing I see it Men 18-20 and Women 28-30. That might have been disproven over time but it used to be said all the time. Point being - the article is wrong anyway and in denial
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InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
It's not my opinion. I am just stating what I have seen written in many many places
And I see that you, also, are misunderstanding what is meant by "sexual peak". Especially what the article is trying to claim. I even said it above - this article, and all the things that say a woman's sexual peak is in her late 20s or 30s is NOT (again NOT) talking about their desirability to men
Your second main paragraph just shows that you are also interpreting it as their "peak desirability to men". I mean - you directly say it. The fact that every man would choose a 22 year old over a 35 year old is irrelevant for the point being made. It absolutely does matter when they are most horny / highest libido because that is the claim being made - that this is when it is at it's peak. And as I mentioned above - the key point is the article is still wrong as it is not in the 40s or 50s. I mean menopause pretty much kills it by definition
You will get no argument from me that a woman's peak sexual desirability is 18-25. But that was not what I was saying and nor what the article is trying to suggest. We see many delusional comments from women on here in various guises but I am going to give them enough credit in that they don't mean "peak sexual desirability to men"
Indeed type "woman's sexual peak" into google and you get nothing to do with how they look. It is all about hormones, libido, fantasies and how they feel
Blackbarnabyjones 3y ago
WOMEN AND MEN's Sexuality BOTH PEAK from 15-25 And that is IT.
BOTH MALE AND FEMALE SEXES EXPERINCE A "FLARE OUT" or "LAST CALL"
Somewhere in their 30's BOTH WILL WANT TO HAVE TONS OF SEX. WHY?
This is the body saying - HEY, these are my last good eggs, and hey, these are my LAST Top shelf sperm. GO USE THESE NOW OR YOU WANT GET A CHANCE TOO AND THEY'll BE gone forever.
In my 30's WITHOUT working out more - ONE YEAR I gained about 100lbs on my benchpress. For no reason. I also Banged my way through some serious hotties. Putting up football score numbers. for both teams.
Women being interested in SEX after that is for spouse love/happiness AND/OR Business and power purposes only (chasing Chad)
MEN being interested in SEX after that is because of romantic partner purposes AND/OR BOMBARDMENT of PORN and CONSTANT romantic scenes in ALL media.
PaidHack 3y ago
Always the victims…
TatersMog 3y ago
And never accountable.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
There is no "dating wilderness" There is a dating jungle and it is FULL of young attractive women going after the top 20% of men. There are tens of millions of them.
It also happens to be very competitive.
One split second glance at that woman's face and her problem is painfully obvious - to everyone except her.
At least she gets some notoriety in the article, which expands her reach a bit.
But oof.
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Dear Susan Brown,
At your age, "dating" should not be the focus of your life. You are not unlike a 60 year obese old man finally deciding he is ready to run a marathon. Sure, it is remote possibility, but his chances are close to nil. And even if he does succeed, it will be a short lived experience. How many marathons does he expect to run in his later years?
Please reflect on this. Reflect as long as it takes to set in.
Once you think you have it, then please imagine, if you will, that old obese man writing a letter to a magazine complaining that "marathon standards are ridiculous and outdated"
Reflect on that for as long as it takes to settle in.
Then look in the mirror.
Take a deep breath. The pain of your realization will subside. You will be fine.
Go adopt a cat. I hear that works for many women.
Sincerely,
DD1
justaguyinbrooklyn 3y ago
droppin' bombs.................. BOOM
Overkillengine 3y ago
Yeah she's 48 going on 68 appearance wise.
lemko1968 3y ago
She would be a doting grandmother by now if she made the right life decisions but she went another way. The only guys she’s going to get are cat-fishing scammers or drunken or drug-addicted bums looking for a meal ticket.
International_Rub475 3y ago
insert PS5 secured meme