Yesterday my wife showed me a FB post she had commented on. Some woman put up a photo of her disastrously messy kitchen and dining area, and was braggring about not letting it bother her.
My wife (who is neat as a pin and keeps a home anyone would be proud of) commented that she was shocked at the mess, and that no husband should have to come home to that.
Well......that opened the gates of Hades.
A bunch of random women piled on her, saying this isn't the 1920s, if my husband complained I would kick him out, etc. One guy said he cleans when he gets home and that my wife is being 'abused' by me for expecting something.
My wife rolled her eyes and ignored them. This crap is so stupid. Why is being clean seen as archaic?
Edit: I should point out that my wife keeps the house to this high standard, despite suffering from an incurable motor disorder that has left her so crippled she can't work in gainful employment. Some days her legs feel like they are made of lead. Other days are better. She could say she isn't going to clean, because she has trouble moving. But she's not like that.
LateralThinker13 2y ago
Your wife can hold her head high. They can't. Both of you can ignore the squalling of your lessers.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
Guys, if your woman can't do the dishes, there are plenty of other women that can. Leave these modern women. Divorce them. Just take the pain and GTFO. She doesn't love you. You're just her slave.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
Guys, if your woman can't do the dishes, there are plenty of other women that can. Leave these modern women. Divorce them. Just take the pain and GTFO. She doesn't love you. You're just her slave.
Tracker1958 2y ago
Bless her Heart. She is a KEEPER. Take her out to dinner tonight. Tell her, all us men take our hat off to her. With love
Warm_Tap584 2y ago
I bet they are A-OK with a man not providing….
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lol, he's not being abused by his wife for her expecting him to clean when he gets back, but the opposite situation does count as abuse.
that saying about telling who's in charge by asking who you can't criticise seems to fit perfectly
yellomachine 2y ago
Some feminist commented yesterday: "zomg u r forcing your disabled wife to clean perfectly and you brag about it zomg!!!"
I just chuckled and reported her.
Ms_O_Gynist 2y ago
Crabs in a bucket.
silly_birb 2y ago
Same thing for being sluts
All the narrative is just a way to justify lazyness and is pushed by the overlwelming amount of single mothers.
First you couldn't shame cheating women that divorced, then single mothers, then incompetent women and now you can't even make fun of women with absurd entitlement (like those women on Kevin Samuels thinking they are "a 10")
katachol 2y ago
I mean a better response from her could've been "good for you, I could never live with any mess" or something along the lines of that.
yellomachine 2y ago
Yeah but then the wymyns have to admit cleaning is necessary.
rpool179 2y ago
Na that's too soft of a response. No man who goes out and works all day should have to come home to that, especially if his wife doesn't work and is a stay at home mom/unemployed. Housekeeping is essentially her job. Unless she'd like to switch roles with her husband and work all day while he stays at home instead
polishknightusa 2y ago
I was always amused at The Jetsons opening intro and thinking this was the beginning of the end when, at that time, women were housewives and in a post stage 1 feminist society, women were entitled to stay at home (rather than out in the fields or the factory like most of human history) or even allowed to call themselves oppressed because men were not allowing them to be CEO's and astronauts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPnZpENoypo
Note: The kitchen of the 2035, according to 1965, should have been women with a host of robot servants and then she literally GRABS all of George's money and goes to the astro shopping mall.
Astounding. No wonder we have such entitlement attitudes evident on dating profiles today. One gal I dated had the nerve to tell me that she wanted to quit her working class job and have me pay all the bills, buy her diamond rings, and "sacrifice" to be a housewife (with all the goodies of course) and she was ANGRY when I didn't MAN UP and act grateful to her.
I laughed. My old women (1960's era) friends laughed. I dumped her after a few days of ruminating over it.
yellomachine 2y ago
She's disabled. Being at home is the only viable option. She wants to work but she physically can't put in the hours employers want.
rpool179 2y ago
I know. I was referencing the women who piled up on her, not her.
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The one that makes the mess, cleans the mess. I always thought this was self evident, however my exw (the laziest person on the planet) never seemed to understand this at all. I'd have to clean the kitchen when I got home so that I could cook the kids dinner (otherwise all they'd get is processed crap as she couldn't cook and refused to learn...she was a SAHM). The kitchen was always clean when I left in the mornings, so any mess was entirely of her making because the kids were at school during the day. So after 10hrs at work, I'd have to spend an hour cleaning and another hour cooking. She did nothing but sit on her fat ass all day. We divorced 3 yrs ago. My house is clean, tidy and I take pride in keeping it so. Her house is an utter filthy mess, food on the floor, dishes unwashed etc.. I feel like I need a tetanus shot just going there to pick up the kids. I have 50/50 so at least I know when they're with me they're getting healthy food and lots of fruit and veg and not living in a garbage tip.
polishknightusa 2y ago
My wife complains my office is dusty and unkept, but it's MINE so my affair. The kitchen we share duties but I keep it clean according to my bachelor standards which aren't too bad. I keep the dishes washed and the counters basically wiped but she's fanatical.
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yellomachine 2y ago
I clean too. Mostly the bathrooms.
AngryCockOfJustice 2y ago
Bet those ladies are filthy and don't clean themselves after their toilet business, and if their husbands complain about foul stench then they'd write "this is not 1920s anymore"
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
Oh Jesus even a street whore knows to wash up and rinse the garlic stench out of her mouth before sex. I guess I've just been married to a 3rd world woman for too long and have unrealistic expectations. smh
yellomachine 2y ago
DaleGribble692 2y ago
That sounds pretty typical. How dare your wife think for herself and do what she wants to do. I mean they would be totally on board if she was pushing an agenda they deemed appropriate.
yellomachine 2y ago
She doesnt even know these dimwits. They are just random Aussie women and they are all off the deep end.
psycoMD 2y ago
Yeah how dare is she be a man slave and clean. What next women having a choice? To be honest I’m with your wife on it, my partner works and earns money, I’m a full time student, so I want to do something to make it equal. Once I get a job things will have to change a bit, but I still got 3 years of studying and being a housewife. To be honest I prefer to clean because my cleaning standards are and I quote “a bit ridiculous” I’m the kind of person who washes the dishes after someone already has done it. So I get your wife.
BluetoothMcGee 2y ago
Not too long ago Aussie women also shamed and canceled a woman who enjoyed making her husband's lunch and just wanted new recipe ideas.
Sounds like Aussie women are so insufferable. Imagine being married to that.
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
A very common thing you see on dating apps are women who are “desperate” to move to Australia.
Not being someone who swipes on guys I wouldn’t know if guys are the same
But I always raise my eyebrows. I have family in Australia. Cousins who have their own families. One is more right leaning and the other traditional working class left. Both refer to the country as a “nanny state” where some of the rules and laws are so over the top and harsh it is almost unbelievable
So I always wondered why so many British women wanted to go.
And then you read stuff like this and stuff about the Australian feminists and you suddenly understand
And then of course the basic bitch reasons of - better weather for their tans, beaches so they can try and attract a guy by wearing close to nothing in public more regularly and the hope they will hook some surfer Chad in Byron bay or bondai beach
I don’t think many properly consider the nature of where they are moving at all.
yellomachine 2y ago
If they have had so much as an arrest for drunkenness, they will be denied residency. Our immigration law is some of the toughest in the world. Let them all move to Melbourne. Every Aussie knows it's a lefty dystopia. They'll have a great time.
FormerBTfan 2y ago
Those ones end up in Canada eh. We'll pretty much let anyone in as long as they are way left and looney left is preferred and shuffled to the front of the line currently. Closing in on Aus for nannyness and plain utter woke stupidity.
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
I think women in the U.K. really need to go all out to actually get an arrest for drunkenness.
Our police are not as strict as the Australian ones by any stretch of the imagination
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DaleGribble692 2y ago
No I think she has the choice to keep her house clean if she wants to. Her motivations are hers and hers alone and shouldn’t be questioned anymore than a woman who refuses to do any housework because she feels it’s beneath her.
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DaleGribble692 2y ago
I didn’t read any of those things in the post. If she doesn’t think a husband should have to come home to a messy house then that’s her opinion. Shaming her for it is no different than shaming a woman who thinks her husband should have to do all the housework.
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DaleGribble692 2y ago
I don’t think anybody should be a slave.
yellomachine 2y ago
It's best not to engage this fool.
DaleGribble692 2y ago
Apparently all their comments got removed. It’s amazing the lengths some people will go to try to win what they perceive as an argument. Equating a woman choosing to clean her house to slavery is nothing short of insane.
moorekom Mod 2y ago
Fyi, his comments were all removed and he was banned by the mod team because he violated the rules of the sub. Next time, don't engage with these guys. Just hit the report button.
yellomachine 2y ago
He or she is a huge dickhead. Not worth it.
OwenWentFullMGTOW 2y ago
An ugly instance of the Hive Mind. I imagine one reason that those other rando women were losing their minds is because if one woman can do that, it stands to reason that most of the rest can as well.
The fact that they're not doing it means they're making a choice. And they're being judged for that choice. And we all know how well women do with being judged by others.
polishknightusa 2y ago
I watched the show "American Ninja Warriors" for a while but thought it was disgustingly exploitive. The athletes would spend years training to compete on the show for the million dollar prize and for at least 6 years on the show. The show made several millions in advertising revenue. Each year, the obstacles were made increasingly more difficult so it set up a moving goalpost.
Sick. Reminds me of "game."
Anyways, my point in regards to yours is that when the first guy to actually complete the course did so, nearly all the other guys were able to complete it as well. There must have been some mental block in place that if so many well trained, and healthy, athletic men couldn't complete the course than it must have been almost impossible. But after the first guy completed it, the rest basically monkeyed up and had competitions to see how FAST they could complete it despite just a year before NONE of them could!
Amazing, isn't it? It makes me wonder about all the other mental barriers we come across in life.
The female hivemind works in that if so many women say something and yes, some women do luck out and at 35 marry an alpha bucks then ALL of them can do it. It's not a stationary obstacle course like the above, though, but rather an economic concept they don't understand that most women can't have the top 1 percent particularly if they're not even at THEIR peak.
Women do listen fervently to other women but dismiss men and what we have to say, particularly us beta males who aren't in our own personal rocket ships. To them, what a group says matters because like with TV and elections, that's "real".
OwenWentFullMGTOW 2y ago
Good comment. But this part stood out.
You see this same sort of thing on female (or feminist) YouTube, OnlyFans and other places. Compliments from men are worthless and instantly dismissed. But a woman complimenting another woman on her online presence is GOLD to them.
There's some significance to that but I struggle with it. Men are too free with compliments/approval? Women are known to be catty back-biters so genuine support is precious? There's something in there but I haven't worked it all out yet.
polishknightusa 2y ago
When a woman is praised by other women, particularly status women in Mean Girls, that's Gold like you say because that's the Hivemind praising them.
I told my wife I found it astounding that she worked herself into a tizzy to please other women "What will they think about my car?" "They all have houses!" One of the hivemind women didn't invite us to her wedding because I was between jobs at the time. I was deeply offended because a true friend should have wanted me to relax a little and not worry but instead they were ostracizing me.
Perhaps it's because women being in the home, so to speak, comfortable and in a social situation are emotionally hostage the hivemind. Us men live off of our own products of our hands but women live via status. If her mother-in-law in the cave says she's bad, she could be kicked out and starve. That's one theory I read about why women are so much more beholden to the hivemind.
Then again, as men have become feminized many of them also have a hard time breaking away from it.
Bljman98 2y ago
Facebook comment sections are insane these days.
I was bored earlier and saw some video of a dating show on facebook. It discusses how a woman gained about 25 pounds (in reality it would likely be higher but her words were 25) and how her husband was no longer attracted to her and was turning her down for sex and other physical things.
That in itself is no problem, but the women in the video discussing this were saying the man was the issue. Apparently he didn’t care about her feelings or anything beyond the physical (eye roll). The advice was ultimately to divorce. I thought this was bad enough, but the comments were worse! Actual women were saying things like “it’s only 25 pounds” and similar comments blaming the man. I did the math and 25 pounds added to a woman at the average height of 5’4 at a healthy weight adds about 20% to her body weight! How is that only 25 pounds! It’s even worse if she was already at an unhealthy weight too!
These women act like men are so disposable and easy to find.
Ok_Management4634 2y ago
Women never want to be held accountable for their poor decisions.
IF they gain wait and their husband is no longer attracted to them.. man's fault.
IF a woman loses attraction to her man (for one of thousands of crazy reasons, including "boredom") .. man's fault
IF a woman cheats on a man.. man's fault for not "fullfilling her emotional needs".
It's BS.. Most of society has been brainwashed by this.. I have even seen posts were guys are full of guilt when their wife cheated, thinking it was their fault and are crushed by it.. Just horrible.
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
They say it is “only 25lbs” because in my experience the average woman shows up to a tinder date around 15lbs heavier than her photos
So I guess that 15 is considered zero or some such nonsense
BrutalDivest 2y ago
Because they are. Women don't possess the ability to think of long-term consequences because they've never been held accountable for their decisions.
Single-mother that popped out babies and then got dumped by Chad? Don't worry, the state will take care of you.
Cheated on your husband because he worked too much? Don't worry, just file for divorce and take half of his shit. Btw you also get custody of the children and maybe he can visit them on weekends.
You got drunk and had sex with a guy that you regret having sex with? Just cry rape! Women are incapable of consent if they have alcohol in their system even if the guy didn't know she had alcohol in her system.
This society coddles women in the most disgusting of ways and this is how they show their appreciation: by treating men as worthless, disposable assets.
polishknightusa 2y ago
There was a recent comment referring to an article on how women have become less loving due to feminism. This may be because loving someone means caring about them which means not treating them as an exploitable asset.
To grow up for a century or so in feminist America has meant living among people who care for you while you are encouraged to care only for yourself. In pre-feminist America, a young woman would be a member of a family and expected to help care for them from an early age. She would from the age of 8 or so, be expected to help care for elderly grandparents, for example, or her siblings. Then she'd be expected to go instantly from that life to transition over to caring for her new husband's family as well as her own. Women were caring and nurturing and this is why this chivalrous pedestal idoltry took off.
Most women are raised to be career woman bachelors, caring little more than for themselves as party girls and men to be ATM machines. In theory, she should love her husband and this is the lure to get men to marry and hand over his assets to her but during the courtship phase, she doesn't have to have any affection for him more than the waiter. The culture trains her to mock and belittle men while praising her own success, no matter how undeserved, and to find a zillion ways to be a victim.
Where am I going with all this? I think the downside to all this coddling is that such women are both miserable and lonely. The men they respect, the ones who pass their shit tests, also don't trust them for obvious reasons even as they believe that they'll get legitimate relationships later. Long term relationships, which are gained through marriage, offer women a connection to their youth and generate a feeling of being grounded but they don't get those from the welfare caseworker or even their blood relatives who focus on their own lives.
Don't get me wrong: I wouldn't climb into a lion enclosure to try to pet it and console it but I also feel a degree of sympathy for them. They aren't liberated, they're trapped and we're here to release them as well as ourselves. We, not feminism, is the actual civil rights movement and everyone here should be proud that a few decades from now, people will look back and see how obvious this was all along.
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BrutalDivest 2y ago
Because women can't mind their own business and give men the space they want.
Only women should be able to congregate and talk to each other, right?
The worst thing that's happened to women is the internet provided men the platform to connect with each other and expose women's bs.
moorekom Mod 2y ago
Don't engage. Just hit the report button.
BrutalDivest 2y ago
Understood
grandpawasright 2y ago
The average woman today weighs 170 lbs.
3HardWay 2y ago
Jesus fucking Christ.
psnanda 2y ago
170lbs at average 5”4’
grandpawasright 2y ago
It's seriously off-putting to me. I'm 6'2" and 165 lbs. Very trim and look good without a shirt on. Not a greek god but whatever.
5'4" and 170 lbs. though? Disgusting.
The lust for the flesh is at an all-time low.
DavidHill76 2y ago
Mine cleans when I'm away working overtime
You know why?
FUCKING GERMS AND BUGS AND SPIDERS
the less mess and clutter, the less those creepy crawlies care to move in.
For fucks sake, what is wrong with people?
I clean when my wife is taking care of the baby or shopping.
This is so sad. Responsibilities need to be shared and no side should keep score, that's literally what every psychology article or magazine will say to have a happy marriage
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But, how can she expect that when he has had to carry the "emotional labor" all day long?
yellomachine 2y ago
I absolutely agree. If also say if both work full time, either both do the housework equally or hire a cleaner.
Plazmatron44 2y ago
There was some news program not too long ago that was ridiculing and shaming a woman in Australia who was proud of being a housewife enjoying spending her time at home cleaning and tending to her kids and husband. Globalism has done this to turn everyone into wage slaves and stay at home wives are seen as archaic to propagate this.
yellomachine 2y ago
Yeah I saw a YT video about that. I think it was the Daisy Cousens channel. She was ripping the media a new one over the way they treated that wife.
yellomachine 2y ago
"....we realised we were only taxing half the population. We needed the women to join the men at work, so we created the womens movement."
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
It sounds like fiction until you dive into it
yellomachine 2y ago
I know. I was redpilled hard in 2010 after listening to the John Todd tapes and Aaron Russo.
Before that, I went around calling people 'conspiracy theorists' and thinking world leaders were good people.
It is so much easier to make sense of political decisions and media behavior now.
The_Meep_Lord 2y ago
Welcome to the real world.
Everything is a goddamn lie to make money from us and control us.
It is why people who deal with the world become bitter with age. Eventually, it becomes impossible to ignore and deny.
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Women are either OCD clean or slobs. There used to be many more OCD clean types because people expected their houses to be clean and presentable for neighbors, family, etc. that might drop by.
polishknightusa 2y ago
55 years old, married father of a daughter. One of "the good men" beta bucks.
My observations of dating 3 different working women over the years, one working class and two career women, is they kept AWFUL homes on their own. I was in shock when I'd go in and see the floors unvacuumed, dishes piled up high, and clutter everywhere. One of the women told me her logic that sounds a lot like the dating profiles. Ready for a laugh?
For the dishes: "Well, if you put them in the dishwasher then they just SIT there getting disgusting! They need to be washed RIGHT AWAY in the sink!"
So, ideally, like wanting to marry alpha chad, she wants the dishes washed RIGHT AWAY but she's busy so she just sticks them in the sink and dishes in the sink are impossible to wash if she uses BOTH sides of the sink.
But she "refuses to settle" for using the dishwasher that just sat there, unused!!!!
Same with the vacuum "Well, we need to reorganize EVERYTHING around here and DO IT RIGHT!" So because she didn't just want to move the junk for a moment to get it vacuumed, she NEVER vacuumed!
(Sheesh, she reminds me of trad-conservative libertarians... :-)
The other two women never gave me their reasoning. They probably just thought being a successful woman that men should want meant their house cleaned itself or something like that out of Disney. They could criticize MY housekeeping while never noticing how awful their own was.
I chuckled about it at the time not thinking about it too deeply but now it all clicks together.
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I mean unless there was an agreement between wife and husband that wife needs to take care of the house, the house is both of their responsibility, not just the woman's.
I am not sure if that woman is working or your wife is working but it would sort of be disrespectful to put your nose into someone else's house and business and say that to them just for not fitting your standards.
yellomachine 2y ago
Well if you read my post properly, you would be sure.
SnuSnuClownWorld 2y ago
Naww, it's the women's duty to keep a clean house in a marriage. Some woman working her part time boutique job to contribute 200 bucks a month isn't at the same level as a husband putting 40 hours a week minimum. So he can pay for all her food, gas, hobbies, bills, and car.
Let's be real, cleaning is shit everyone does when they live alone, and it's the bare minimum effort a partner can do for being taken care of financially for the rest of their life.
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Well, what if the woman earns more than her husband? My mother earns way more than my father, my father being a lecturer and my mother being an engineer.
Have you ever considered there are lots of families where a woman earns more than the man, or works for longer duration than the man or equal to the man? Where the woman is well capable of buying shit she wants?
It's not a woman's duty. It's not up to you to decide or force your standards how their marriages should be like and who should have what duty. It's up to them.
Ok_Management4634 2y ago
nope, there are not "lots of families where the woman earns more than the man.
Women seldom marry a man that makes less than they do. If the woman eventually earns more than the man, she resents him for not "manning up" and earning more.
90% of marriages where the woman makes more than the man, end in divorce.
Your parents are the outlier, not the norm.
WhereProgressIsMade 2y ago
You can split duties however you want but it doesn’t change the fact that divorce rates are higher and reported marriage satisfaction is lower when the wife earns more, especially in cases of a man who is a house husband.
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I would rather bury myself alive than sacrifice all my ambitions of a lifetime for some "marriage satisfaction" proved by some God knows what source.
And my father was a house husband for two years, fifteen years ago and it worked well for my pparents till this point. They are still very happy and connected everyday. So...?
WhereProgressIsMade 2y ago
I’m glad it worked out well for your parents.
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Thanks, that's sweet :)
SnuSnuClownWorld 2y ago
I talk in generalities and not in outliers. Your parents situation is an outlier. Women in general are not happy with a man who makes less than them, it's completely out of their hypergamous nature.
I dont force anything on anyone, but if you wish to have a serious discussion, it's important to understand the baselines of both genders at fundamental levels.
It's this reinterpretation of marriage and division of responsibilities that has led to the current situation of men being where they are right now.
MGTOWManofMystery 2y ago
Because, in the West, we live in a female-correct gynocentric social order. Anything that is good for the goose is good for society. Anything that benefits the gander is bad, bad, evil, bad.
grandpawasright 2y ago
I work a very physical type of job. Long hours, lots of wear and tear on the body.
My coworker goes home and cleans. His wife stays at home with the children when they’re not in school. She claims he cheats on her. But of course that means she’s cheating on him.
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
Yep projection so that if he accuses her she can accuse him of being childish and just doing the repeating of insults back like children do
pillchangedmylife 2y ago
last sentence is masterclasses
Miserable-Lemon 2y ago
That's feminism for you. Women should be free to do all they want without ever being held accountable or hold and responsibility. Men should shut up and take it because something something patriarchy
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
I think the base principle seems to be that patriarchy has been so dominant for so long that any abuse or unequal practice that is to the detriment of men just needs to be sucked up because apparently men in the past have had it so good and this is just evening the scales
They should tell that to those men in the trenches in 1916. But I digress as there are a great many problems with this
As is regularly discussed - they don’t want to stop at equality. The radicals want “payback” for what they have seen as inequality. Or at least don’t care about inequalities dished out along the way. The radicals would like a “matriarchy” as “their turn” for hundreds of years before true equality - just to be “fair” . They don’t openly admit it but it certainly seems to be the case
You can prove this by if you try to counter the “equal reproductive rights” point by explaining there are inequalities on both sides. If a woman falls pregnant in the majority of cases she can choose what to do (even if it is harder than it needs to be in some locations). But if a woman wants to keep the baby and the man doesn’t want her to he has no choice. That is not equal rights.
And “he should have wrapped it up” or “they shouldn’t have had sex” are not reasonable answers. The former is daft because accidents can happen. The latter is something that is only used by feminists in this particular context. Daring to suggest a woman shouldn’t be sexually actively or as active as she is will be met with howls of “slut shamer!” and organised slut walks
The_Meep_Lord 2y ago
There can be no payback for all the people that suffered oppression under “patriarchy” are dead.
They are going for a power grab and they are as hateful as the most vile of white men that have ever lived.
But really, it is just an excuse.
polishknightusa 2y ago
Feminists from the beginning were all about "equal" rights when it suited them or "feminist" issues such as, and does this sound familiar?, separate bathrooms for women (back in the beginning, women had to go to the indoor toilets alongside men), alimony/child-support, these were all "women's" issues represented as either equality or chivalry when it suited them.
A century later, feminists would be chuckling as they would say that alimony/child-support injustices in family court are due to "chivalrous" patriarchs so it wasn't their problem (even as they would claim that feminism owns the "equality" label and should be heralded for equal rights). It's like saying that a lawyer that defends me, and me only, for injustices in the law should be heralded as "equal" rights and NOBODY else should be allowed to practice law.
The "get even" attitude of feminists is based upon a way of thinking we commonly encounter here: "real" men are CEO's and wealthy men and "losers" or "boys" are guys who earn a living normally. So women deserve special privileges because not ALL women are "real" men CEO's yet. Also, "real" men should continue to open doors and pay for stuff regardless of whether a woman is CEO or not.
It's one big gaslight/projection game as feminists portray themselves as victims as they demand more and more goodies because if they stop, men might ask the question: "is it really traditional for men to chase women for relationships when women are the ones who need men to be the providers?" In the past, men didn't "chase" women, they simply got them via arranged marriage or a girl begging her father to reach out to a matchmaker to get her married before she wound up an old maid and forced to work in a factory for life.
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
Pretty sure the entire premise of Pride and Prejudice is that the women needed to find wives and the men weren’t exactly actively looking. Because they didn’t need to
A minor correction: “boys” are not in the category of people living normal lives. “Boys” are the top 20% guys who count as “real” men right up to where they choose not to commit to the woman who let them sleep with her
An average looking guy with an average income is absolutely not who the women who bitterly rant about “boys” are talking about. Not at all
Ok_Management4634 2y ago
Right on, those average guys are invisible.. women can't complain about them, because they have no experience with average men.. Average men are not "worthy of dating" according to most women.. 80/20 rule.
Miserable-Lemon 2y ago
Oh they're all very open and public about that mystical "payback". Thing is, "patriarchy" works. That's how the entire world was built. If you want to look at female led societies, they're all at the stone age level
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
Do any long term female led societies exist to prove that? You could suggest that them not existing proves it but I wonder about your Stone Age claim
And who is this “they” that are “all” very open about it. I don’t think it is all feminists. But the number of radical ones is either increasing or just becoming more vocal
The “revenge” logic is applied elsewhere such as reparations to black Americans. All I will say it there is one major historical example of punitive reparations being placed on a society that wasn’t 100% to blame. Let us just say that the fall out was pretty catastrophic for the whole world
amazing_panini 2y ago
It's not evidence in itself, but the lack of long-term female-led societies in itself can be an indication of their viability. One could apply natural selection to a social level too, and thus postulate that pretty much any society or civilization that has lasted a while probably ended up figuring out what worked and stuck to it, while those that didn't don't exist anymore.
Now, is the lack of long-term female-led societies like the analogy of the WW2 bombers returning from the warfront with bullet holes in non-critical parts vs the bombers that never made it back, or is it like the analogy of the guy shooting the side of the barn and drawing the target around the bullet holes? Who knows? We don't have a time machine. But I at least don't buy this modern narrative of men being evil creatures that banned women from leadership for the lols, there's just so many civilizations that independently converged to similar endpoints. If female-led societies were as viable and/or better than male-led societies then... where are they?
Ok_Management4634 2y ago
Look at Germany today.. I don't want to be political, but that's an example of a country that has fallen into the toilet under a Matriarchy.
The_Meep_Lord 2y ago
The reality is that female nature doesn’t mesh well with order, but men’s can. Under a matriarchy, large chunks of people are left out and it all about social games and hedonism.
Under a patriarchy, very few are left out and it is about producing value and order.
But the ultimate issue with matriarchies is what women select for in a man. The men they pick will always be sexist and toxic, so with time they will either submit under a patriarchy as the men they breed will oppress them.
You can even see that now. Who are radical leftist women empowering, supporting and breeding with? Feminist men? No, they are breeding with toxic and misogynist men.
The only time women are actually treated well is under a well established patriarchy, it is the only time “good” men can exist as it is the only time they can get what they want.
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
And sadly I doubt we will ever get any good faith academic study into why this is the case
I more wondered if there were any cases of famous female led societies and information on where they got to
You can see that obvious counter that feminists would make - never got a chance so for all we know they could be better . Likely nonsense but there you go
I am not really familiar with those analogies
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Funny how society was willing to accept strong female rulers in the middle ages--with the emphasis on "strong."
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
Were they really? In the Middle Ages? Empress Matilda might want a word with you on that one
NoonTimeHoopsMVP 2y ago
Matilda was also a royal witch.
againstthe-grain 2y ago
Your wife keeps a clean house? Where you find women like that? I haven’t gone a date with a woman in 3 years that cooked or clean. My exgirlfriend never cooked or clean. My ex wife never cooked or cleaned. The only women I ever saw cook and clean was my mom and sister.
ThemakingofChad 2y ago
If she doesn’t cook or clean she is only good to pump and dump. There are plenty of women who do both if you can handle a little chub.
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yellomachine 2y ago
I'm just blessed :)
againstthe-grain 2y ago
Blessed is a very accurate description
moorekom Mod 2y ago
Relevant and recommended article on this topic:
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Feminists are ugly by Dalrock.
BluepillProfessor 2y ago
Feminism was created so as to allow unattractive women easier access to mainstream society. Rush Limbaugh's undeniable truths of life. RIP.
moorekom Mod 2y ago
Chads.
biebiep 2y ago
This is exactly it. The pendulum has swung so far over that it is hard to say anything that would involve a woman as a caretaker.
Thank you for sharing.
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loneliness-inc Mod 2y ago
Hey you and u/yellomachine
We don't allow white knighting here. Cut it out. Both of you.