I normally do not share details about my personal life, however vague, because I have had to nuke two accounts already due to doxing concerns in the past. I have found that people can be quite creative in piecing together information if they are motivated enough (see the 4Chan/ Shia LeBouef/ ”He will not divide us” debacle for a perfect example)
However, today our very own /u/MrNeurotypical shared an excellent post that hit close to home for me. So I thought I would share anecdote from my own real life experience that might resonate. I hope it does something good for someone.
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Jenny and the family devastated by feminism.
By DeeplyDisturbed1
In college I met the love of my life. We dated for 5 years before our engagement (because I didn’t trust women even back then), but I loved this woman with my entire soul - and she loved me just as much. It was real, and genuine and awesome. She was a good woman and she proved this over two decades. She cooked, and cleaned, and was the best mother you could ever hope for your children.
She was truly all around amazing - and my best friend.
(Note: Before one of you morons makes an asinine comment about red pills and oneitis, read the whole thing before being a dick.)
Soon after college, we were married and had our first child. Life was amazing and other children followed.
Then, after 13 years of marriage, and nearly 18 years of true bliss together, things (she?) started to change. The change was subtle at first, but in retrospect it seemed stark and sudden.
She worked in a female dominated field, so you know where this is going. She had one particular friend I'll call Jenny, who seemed to like me and was very supportive of ex and me as a couple. She would openly gush about how we were such a great couple and a perfect family.
Jenny also happened to be perpetually single, and a feminist in her late 20's.
I know, I know - hindsight, right?
In the last few years of our marriage my wife started complaining about seemingly insignificant things like who did the most dishes. And we all know that when a woman complains about trivial things like who does more dishes, it is not about the dishes. From there, things deteriorated rapidly. I did try to negotiate, work with her, accommodate her feelings, adjust, etc. But I was not a pushover either, and she knew it. Forget red pill/blue bill bullshit for a minute - I was, and am a man who knows what I want and what I am doing. Period. So my wife should know not to give me any bullshit about dishes. Also keep in mind that DID do dishes, just not as often as her.
Needless to say, many ugly details later and a year or so down the road, we were divorced. My head still spins at times at how quickly things went from married bliss, to OVER. It's shocking to say the least. A lot of men here can attest to how insane this experience can be.
Now, one can try to diagnose this shit-show till the cows come home:
- Red Pill types would tell me that I probably didn’t “hold my frame”. My answer to that is: fuck off with that schoolboy shit. The concept is definitely true, but in any real sense it is impossible to do every day for one’s entire life. Even if it means me being slightly quiet one day because I have things on my mind. Frame also evolves. If your frame NEVER changes, you are probably autistic and I don't trust men like you.
- Feminists would say all sorts of shit too. And no matter what they say, it would completely dismiss my perspective and those of my children. Feminism does not care about men and children – or anyone else for that matter. It is only concerned with feminism and the hive. In fact, feminism will murder a woman for stepping out of line.
- Therapists might point to some “breakdown in communication” or other generic bullshit advice from a book.
But if you forced me to pinpoint the core problem for us, I would say it was her friend Jenny.
Simply put, and in hindsight, Jenny was jealous of my wife's life and hated the fact that she could not find a good man for herself. Jenny had season tickets for the Rooster-Go-Round, and the cognitive dissonance presented by her biological motherly urges was too much for her to bear. So rather than change her ways, she poisoned my wife with feminist "go gurrlll" garbage, for who knows what reason. We all know women like that.
After several years of this, coupled with the feminist influence of the other women at her work and perhaps even her older sister, she finally got it in her head that she was missing out on something. I was no longer a loving protective good man, but an oppressive jerk for expecting her to do any dishes EVER. "After all, can a man breastfeed the babies? I didn't think so!" (I wish I were joking about this).
So…
Fast forward to 2 years post-divorce. She was now smoking cigarettes and weed, and drinking and partying more than ever. She was also on anxiety medication, and I think something for depression. I also found out that she was taking some sketchy weight loss pills (Her sister and another friend were taking these meds that had to be prescribed, but she had to travel into the city to get them, because no local doctors would prescribe them.)
She also had a boyfriend, who I found out she was not happy with and was trying to break up with. She had also been on a few girls’ weekends away to places like Vegas. Yay sisterhood!
Then...
About 6.5 years ago from today, my ex dropped dead of a sudden stroke right in front of my two youngest ones. (The doctor in charge attributed the brain aneurism to smoking coupled with a family history of stroke).
About 20 minutes prior to this event, I had dropped off the kids to her. I had just arrived back at my place, when one of my children used a neighbor's cell phone to call me, crying for me to come back quick because “mom is on the floor and she isn’t moving”.
I got there just as medics were putting here in the ambulance.
So stop for a second and imagine a man in my shoes. Say what you will, call me an asshole, or weak, or a pussy, or blue pilled or whatever words you wish. I am a man, a real human standing in the kitchen cleaning up a puddle of drool and vomit, watching an ambulance take the love of my life away to the hospital, telling my little children everything was going to be fine.
A week later, they pulled her off life support (at the behest of her family, and at my suggestion) and I was left to raise my children alone.
The day they pulled that plug, I lost the love of my life for the second time.
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Prior to this event, there was a hopeful little boy inside me. He was a super happy, playful, upbeat kid who never let shit get to him. He was eager to please despite an abusive alcoholic stepfather, an alcoholic mother, physically abusive nuns in K-8, shitty broken people around throughout childhood – drug abusers, alcoholics, the whole crew – not one of them were able to break that little guy’s spirit.
And the very next day after she died, that little guy inside me died.
I am no longer the same person I was before then, and I know I never will be. And that realization was perhaps the worst feeling of all.
Sure, I still mourn the death of my ex/wife from time to time, when nostalgia grabs me. But if I am being honest, I mourn the death of that beautiful little boy EVERY DAY. That little wholesome spirit of a kid lived safely in my heart and soul since the day I was born. Every single day I still think about that little dude.
There are not enough tears, trust me.
And I am sure there are those who would be supportive and say "Hey man, he is not dead...Don't think like that...Things will get better..." And to that I would say "Thank you for the kind words, but you don't understand; This is not a decision I am making. it is simply a matter of fact"
So these days, respecting his memory is about the only thing that keeps me going. Since this is all in my head (technically) I imagine he would want me to be this way.
Now back to Jenny.
The little boy version of me would want to forgive her. How could she have known? But the new me hates her fucking guts. I still yearn for the day I hear of her miserable writhing death. That cunt deserves whatever foul things happen to her in the future.
But I digress…
The real moral of this story, if there is one, is AWALT.
As some of you know I have a slightly different take on AWALT. Without rehashing it, let’s just say that even when a woman starts out beautiful, and happy, and amazing, there will always be a Jenny out there; seething, and scheming, and despising your woman for having it so good with you. And you can never be there with her at work, listening to the countless bullshit stories other women will tell her about the MAN who raped a kid, or the MAN who beat his wife, of the MEN who blah blah blah.
Sooner or later, YOU will become representative of those men. If you are lucky, you will not be lumped in with rapists and child abusers – you will merely be a patriarchal asshole who only does dishes three nights a week.
So let OP's OP linked above, and this post serve as a message: No matter how great a woman may be, she will always be vulnerable to the Jenny’s of the world. And as Jenny smiles at you, and befriends you, and compliments you, and comes to your family functions and office parties, all the while she wants what your woman has. But rather than getting that for herself, she needs YOUR woman to lose it. Only then can Jenny feel satisfied. That’s how Jenny’s think, and that’s how they work, although they would never admit it.
Good luck out there men. Have a good weekend, and remember this, as the saying goes:
The best revenge is a life well lived
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Edit: I see that this post got a report for: " It's promoting hate based on identity or vulnerability "
This report was most likely submitted by a Jenny. Above all else Jenny despises men calling her out or talking negatively about her. Forget me, my children, my ex's family and friends - forget everything. Forget her hateful ideology that contributed to the death of a good woman, it is ME who is promoting hate for sharing my story.
You cannot make this stuff up folks.
southern-sword 3y ago
That was heavy..
Thanks for sharing your story good sir. Many men here (including me) deeply saddened and learned from it. I wish you and the men who experienced the same would be better for the future and never fall prey to the shenanigans of the harpies like jenny.
And again thank you and the other great posters for your contribution to this sub. It’s a blessing to have this sanctuary back again.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
I appreciate the support. This is way in my past, but the lessons learned are just as raw as ever.
As the saying goes "Once bitten, Twice Shy"
perryurban 3y ago
I'm sad for your kids, experiencing that.
Blackbarnabyjones 3y ago
My Condolences for your loss.
My little Guy is dead too.
I didn't get as far or as good as you did.
Being black, raised by women, in the ghetto, with no dad, and stealing, lying, abandoning family members, that return to bring a tidalwave of shit with them and vanish with the backwash,
I'm suprised the little guy lived as long as he did.
But a woman came and got mine, just like yours.
May all good souls be buried near each other,
So they can play together in the afterlife.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Damn bro. That hit me hard. Sorry to hear this shit happened to you too.
I honestly believe that men are starting to unite around shared experiences like this - Asian, Black, White, Latino, etc. Not all men, but enough of us.
And this is the only way things will ever change. A sort of focus of attention for a generation or two. We can set things right - or close enough for enough men.
But it won't be easy.
My best wishes are with you my friend. Good luck.
Blackbarnabyjones 3y ago
The funny thing is, it wasn't my family that got him.
You would think that after 2 dead moms, and 2 gone dads, in addition to the above, that would have sunk him. But no.
What got him was a Girl.
In the middle of all the mistreatment and lies, after my 2nd mom's death, while my own grandmother was embezzeling my newly-discovered orphan money and refusing to turn it over.,
SHE snuck on the field. I initally ran from here Because Instictively I knew.
She was the town bike, Psychological problems wrapped in a 9 body, and her last boyfriend had just been retired from his occupation as a freelance street pharmacist with a 26 bullet retirement package.
And then she came for me. And I was weak.
My mom was dead, future was bleack, grandmother taking food out of my mouth while stealing money from my hand.
And she brought sandwiches. Tin-foil wrapped sandwiches walked from about a mile away.
I still remember them, because that's how she got in.
But over the next years, she proceeded to show me how my grandmother was using me and Exposed the 30k my grandmother had ran off with,
Then she herself lied, and cheated, and GOT PREGNANT.
My schoold guidance conselor, aware of what was happening in my life, had brokered a deal. My D- grade having ass, was gonna get a chance to go to college, in upstate New York.
Far away from all of this. Far away from everyone and their bullshit.
But I couldn't leave my children to be (twins).
Not to the fate that I grew up in.
So I declined the offer and stayed with the lying hoe. I never submitted the pittle essay that would have set me free.
Because I had a heart. Even in the face of horseshit.
When I finally got my hands on the crumbs of money and got kicked out by my Grandmother, she moved in, saddled us with pets and bills, and
Of course you know I found out the kids in her weren't mine, or MIGHT not be mine by a longshot
And She admitted she cheated with my best friend because she was "mad at me." AND my OTHER friend, who was More like an enemy, and even HE had so much respect for me he tried to warn me. Plus whoever else (SO who's kids were in there?).
Then, once my ex-friend went off to college, she told me my ex-best friend had raped her. (Yep, she fell back on that old Trope, but we know better now).
My cousins and Friends offered the unmarked van, and were on board to kill my ex best friend. I kept my head and talked to him.
And It was ME, Not my cousins, who decided that he should live.
It was I who decided I will not be killing another man over some woman's word.
But as for the babies I decided to stick it out anyway (dumb).
Didn't matter - Because She went and got them aborted (guess she had too many He-irons on the hook for that fire).
Big belly one week, Gone the next.
Still cheating aftwerwards.
Eventually I GOT red pilled, as I just made it a game of documenting her actions and lies.
HE DIED.
Theiving grandmother on one side,
Babys and lies on the other,
Rape on one side,
Hating ass hater friends (fiends),
Murder on the other,
Future and chance at college destroyed. (Used to be a b+ studenet, turned to D-, no college prospects and took and extra year to graduate.)
Watching my pets die, and returning 2 to the shelter because I am about to be homeless and later finding out they have been put to sleep,
The little guy died. He didn't just die though.
HE GOT ROBOCOPPED.
For those of you too young to get the reference - https://youtu.be/XgXE7jyHWzk?t=190
I didn't get to college (only to fail out again) until I was 25.
It gets waay worse from there. But I'm still here.
THANK YOU Very much for you time and concern.
But this post is not about me, it's about You.
Thanks for sharing.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
You are wrong my friend. This is about ALL men who know what I am talking about - and who have felt the bitter crush of this sort of feeling.
I don't need to share this shit for some therapy reasons or to make myself feel better. I despise sharing personal things on the internet.
I do it to let other men know that they are not alone. So I decided to add this. And trust me I have more stories to tell.
So thanks for sharing YOUR story. You might consider posting it on /r/whereallthegoodmenare. See what the other mods say. They can help you clean it up and make it flow. Your story is important to us. Never forget that.
The men here are all real live humans who have been fucked over - some multiple times. But we all woke up. And wile we may poke fun at women, we do not spew hate.
Just warnings to other men.
Be well.
Blackbarnabyjones 3y ago
Thank you , you too.
You know, it's kind of telling on my inner strength what they had to bring against me - all of it at the same time, evil stacked on top of evil,
to get me to fall. And none of it was accidental.
not one ounce.
What did I get from that review of my past?
A little realization that I am stronger than I think, and the universe had to put forth a concerted evil effort to knock me on my butt.
They needed all hands on deck to get me.
But most telling about this world - Is that they did it.
And oh, I'm no saint, not since then, but I've been bad the best way a good person knows how. Pretending to be bad, then being a little bad to blend in. But that part of my life was a disservice to myself.
And I'm still here.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Damn. This should be pinned to the front page. Well said.
polishknightusa 3y ago
I had a "jenny" as well. For your amusement: I always was suspicious of her and my wife's spider sense kicked off too. "Jenny" is opportunistic and selfish but my wife felt sorry for her because she was always in dire straights. She betrayed any man that fell in love with her and would monkey branch to someone else and was always in panic mode. Sort of like a crocodile biting whomever tried to get him out of water moving onto the next rescuer.
Eventually, "Jenny" pushed me to my limit when she asked for help writing a paper for a job application to my firm and I pointed out that she could just write one paragraph and be done but she wanted me to spend 2 days rewriting a BS "please give me this job" letter that was awfully written. I said no and tried to eat and she kept bugging me about it. I finally told her to leave me alone and she didn't and... that was the line in the sand for me. I dislike people bothering me when I'm eating and I told her off.
We haven't heard from her since.
My wife is aware that most of her friends have a lot of personal problems and to therefore take what they say with a grain of salt. Also, they serve as cautionary tales. We try to spend most of our time with the better women we know.
Tracker1958 3y ago
When one woman gets divorce in a group of women, in a years time they will all be divorce. Misery love company. Look at the bright side of this, you got all her good fucking years. She getting old now, she can be some-other guys old lady
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
If you read the whole thing you would know that she is gone now.
BlackendLight 3y ago
Red pill types should say you can do everything right and sometimes she still leaves. Just how it is.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
This is true. It's not like there aren't countless cases of this exact thing.
MacaroonStatus9944 3y ago
FUCK YOU, JENNY
Jewishbabyducks 3y ago
Beautiful post, well written and thought out. Sorry it happened to you but you’ve used the opportunity to help educate others which is really respectable.
fasole99 3y ago
I understand your pain, regret and anger but there is not much we can do as "we live in a society". I even bet the jenny girl was telling great lies about her male attention and encounters trying to make her misserable life seem interesting to others. I dont have words of encourangment for you as you got this OP, I only have poetry, not for you but for the little boy! blue bird
Wolverinedog 3y ago
Sorry to hear all of this, esp. for the kids. Your only recourse was to maintain frame. For both of your sakes. But you could not, certainly not in this day and age. It's called common sense. Either she enters your world, or vice versa. God help you both if you enter hers. You tried to accommodate, but it only enabled her and made things worse, as it always does. Imagine if you had actual authority. Jenny would not be part of your life. Neither would feminism. Your ex would be alive today. Your kids would have a mother. Life would be great. You know this. Hence your anger. You had responsibility but no authority, and it can be enraging as the damage is entirely preventable, predictable and irrational. Welcome to the husband club. Any man who marries today can expect this, or the threat of it. Certainly they will see it around them. I've seen this too many times to count. God bless you on your journey and thanks for sharing, as a warning to others, including women (if it could help them).
CommonScold 3y ago
That’s why you gotta isolate the bitches.
Creative-Comb-9175 3y ago
Cant be mad at Jenny. It was your woman who made that choice.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
I despise Jenny and wish for her painful death. Or better yet, her long painful lonely life.
I am not mad at her though.
AriEnNaxos00 3y ago
So "my wife wanted to divorce me but I do some dishes so It wasn't about me at all but because of her friend who is poisoning her head". Really it has to be about another person? Why not look into the relationship to find out what was wrong? Or maybe there wasnt, just she changed and didn't want what she wanted anymore, and has nothing to do with feminism or Jennys.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
This comment was removed, but I reapproved it because it is a legitimate pushback.
Let me address it in chunks:
>So "my wife wanted to divorce me but I do some dishes so It wasn't about me at all but because of her friend who is poisoning her head".
That is an overly simplified interpretation, but close enough. There are ALWAYS multiple factors involved. I said as much in the OP. ("But if you forced me to pinpoint the core problem for us, I would say it was her friend Jenny.") I stand by that statement. Without Jenny in the picture, perhaps things would have ended the same way. But then I would have to look at THAT factor. Life is never simple, and if I created this impression then I was wrong.
Of COURSE we had other issues. But nothing so bad that it would lead to divorce. At least not in my opinion.
> Really it has to be about another person?
Yes.
> Why not look into the relationship to find out what was wrong?
What makes you think I did not? That would be an entire book. Nothing I said here is any less accurate though. There is just too much to cover going over our old arguments, etc. Actually we didn't even have that many arguments. So it is all the more surprising to me.
> Or maybe there wasnt, just she changed and didn't want what she wanted anymore, and has nothing to do with feminism or Jennys.
This is entirely plausible and thanks for pointing that out. In fact, I think Jenny may have just been a catalyst.
Yet Jenny WAS there. And she DID influence my wife. And I DO blame her for her roll.
Here is another way of looking at it:
Imagine a large pile of oily rags on top of a pile of leaves and brush. Why would anyone leave that lying around like that. It is just begging to be lit on fire. Say what you will, but that pile will just stay there indefinitely and with enough rain, it will become a harmless pile in the long run.
But if someone comes along and purposely lights a match, FUCK that person. They are an arsonist and should be treated as such. Perhaps my wife and I tossed a few rags on that pile, but neither of us was about to light it on fire. At least not ME!
Everything else is spinning away from the person who "accidentally" dropped a match in the worst place to do so. It begs too many questions.
emonkid 3y ago
Lowkey this would be a great af movie. (Well unless someone would point out that there already is a movie based on this post)
That aside, I cannot stress enough how much I empathise with the idea of your loss here. I used to have that “little kid” too until this twisted world bashed me like a dump truck. Now I only see a chaotic, enraging, and a very very very confusing world that I will probably never understand. Why is our culture like this? Why always have unnecessary conflicts and deadly sins ruin lives of countless people? Why does all of this exist?
And I’m starting to think of one of the worst answers being a possibility: amusement of the ones above. They love this melodramatic world full of sins and stupidity.
The only message I have for OP is this: take as much straws of success as much as possible because this world will always be unforgiving to the naive. And probably wait for death’s embrace.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Ha! I am not a black pill type.
But thanks for the note. All is well now. I paid dues and karma has come back to me in BIG ways.
Stay true to your values and the rest will follow.
Miss_Chiefs 3y ago
Lmaoooo so instead of admitting you were lazy and a shitty husband you blame a whole other woman that you don’t even know what she was saying to your ex. I’m sorry you got hurt but dude take some fucking responsibility women are not machines meant to cook, clean, work and take care of the kids it should be fifty fifty. It’s your fault your marriage fell apart. Maybe if you had talked to her and done more of the chores she wouldn’t have left. Resenting another woman is childish as fuck grow up bud
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Some other mod removed your comment, but I reapproved it because other men need to see how people like you think.
My children are motherless. I lost the love of my life. Her entire family lost a daughter/sister/aunt. Many people were devastated by our divorce and even more so by her ultimate death.
And your response is basically "Shut up loser. It's all YOUR fault for not doing dishes"
Dishes. That's your answer.
I could say a lot about background, context, etc. But I will leave this here for the few people who read it. I will also likely cross post this to another forum for men to see there. You are helping more than you realize. So thank you for your contribution.
just-a-meme-upvoter 3y ago
But men are machines meant to earn money, aren't they
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just-a-meme-upvoter 3y ago
You didin't say but i mean everyone has their own responsibilities, you shouldn't call a husband bad because he didn't helped you to do chores after a long day
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just-a-meme-upvoter 3y ago
I am talking about this case, if i didn't missed a spot his wife wasn't working.
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just-a-meme-upvoter 3y ago
If houseworks are too hard compared to mens job, yes he should. I mean if you are sitting front of computer all day. The point about this story is she is divorced with him not because she didn't want to do chores, she started to think its limiting her freedom
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just-a-meme-upvoter 3y ago
Then why didn't she complain for 13 years. Yes nobody wants to be stuck with lazy ass but clearly this wasn't the reason here. He also says he helped her. Chores was not the reason, it was an excuse.
mph99999 3y ago
I think there's a little copium in your story, yes, Jennies are everywhere, but your wife was not an angel, you can blame a Jenny when she tries to manipulate a mentally disabled person, but your wife had her intellect, she could make her own choices, she could understand the world if she wanted to, she could keep valuing a relationship built on time and she could have kept those words when she married you.
I'm sure that there were some red flags that you didn't want to see in her personality, but for various reasons your story is very inspiring to not get married.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
I am merely sharing a story. My hope is that it is instructive to some of reader. Jennys most certainly DO exist and I am certain that MILLIONS of other men would agree.
There were NO red flags, or I would not have married her. If a "red flag" only shows up 20 years down the line, Occam's razor would suggest that the issue recently emerged. Otherwise there would have to be this epic theory about how she held it back for 20 years to one day spring it on me in grand HAHA GOTCHA fashion. Could that be true? Sure, I guess. That sounds whackier than the obvious truth. She was influenced.
I think you might consider reading the story again. You apparently missed the entire first half.
You are also missing the gist of the term AWALT. Some casual reading should get you caught up.
And while I may be coping (not really, but its always possible that there is some nugget of truth to the things we rail against), I am certainly not lying or trying to cherry pick facts.
Readers can make up their own minds. And that is the best part of this sub.
PS: If you are a woman and feel triggered by this post, then your response makes sense. Ignore what I wrote above.
mph99999 3y ago
I'm not a woman, i'm not triggered, i only find it weird that someone is loving and caring for years and years and gets transformed by a Jenny.I think long term marriage is hard even for normal mentally healthy people, because it does get a little boring with time but the change your ex wife took doesn't sound that virtuous, it seems her mind was fertile and ready for a Jenny.
Sometimes i question my own values and morality, if i could really pull off a marriage, that's why i won't marry.I read this many hours ago so i don't remember every detail now, but what i took from your story is that you more or less made the Jenny look like the main villain.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
The Jenny in my story was a lot like Hitler. A lot of people supported her at one time, but she was ultimately a horrific human and caused horrible devastation. Fuck her.
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Oh man. My mom is a Karen and my whole life is filled with Jennies. I pretend to agree with them on everything, it's the only way they leave you alone.
Here is the song I would play for you. Read the backstory if you want.
chuck-u_farley 3y ago
Dear god, this story is uncanny. My first wife left me under very similar circumstances. She is a straight A, overachiever, goody-two shoes type who I met in law school and who was always very down to earth, didn't party, and "wanted it all." Things are fine for the first couple of years, but then she gets a new job that is a step up in her career and a big step up pay-wise.
Co-workers are all either divorced or CC riders who spent all their money on wine, shoes, and spa days. My ex falls into this crowd, led by "Jenny" who is recently divorced.
My ex starts telling me I am trying to "control" her because I am concerned with the number of "girl weekends" she is taking and that she needs to "network" for her career. Before she got this job we were talking about children. Now, any mention of children is met with hostility and accusations that "I just want her to be barefoot, pregnant, and cooking", etc.
I go to her office parties, and all these women are gushing at "how great we are as a couple" and wondering why "they can't find a man like me"; yet, they are doing all they can to undermine the marriage. Jenny is plying my ex with booze and stories of all of the "fun" she has going to Vegas, etc.
Anytime I try and talk to her about the hours she is working, the amount she is drinking, the money she is spending, or her girls weekends, I am accused of being "controlling" and "not supporting her career."
"Jenny" starts making more and more appearances at our house and keeps getting invited for dinner/drinks, etc. These night become increasingly uncomfortable as Jenny starts trying to seduce me. When I mention something to my ex, she accuses me (quite seriously) of secretly desiring Jenny and/or lying to ruin her friendship. At this point it is becoming clear that she values her friendship with Jenny more than me.
Things continue to escalate and escalate. Her drinking gets worse; she doesn't sleep; and is more and more erratic. Then one day I come home early and find my ex getting railed in my bed by one of the "made" partners at her law firm.
I am heartbroken and basically give her most of what she wants in the divorce because I just need to be done with this situation. Unfortunately, I can never be "done" with it because she seems to take pleasure in torturing me, making me miserable, and trying to provoke some sort of reaction.
A few years later, my ex gets fired and Jenny gets promoted to partner at the law firm. My ex calls and starts sobbing how Jenny stabbed her in the back, lied about her, and fucked her way into the promotion (Oh...kinda like you were trying to do, huh?). She wants to come over and "patch things up." I tell her its not going to happen and she made her choice a long time ago. She starts saying how she "never should have taken that job and it was the worst thing to happen to her" and how "everyone lied to her and used her." (Yep, which is what I kept trying to tell you, but I was being a controlling asshole, remember?)
Fast forward 15 years. My ex has been through 6 or 7 different firms before trying to unsuccessfully start a solo practice. Rumor mill is that she has a massive drinking/drug problem. She occasionally tries to friend me on facebook, and I refuse, although her profile is public, and I can see she has several cats and is always posting "life, love, laugh"-type sayings, and well as ranting about men being "jerks."
I am remarried and have a family--which is by no means perfect and has a lot of issues...but at least there is no Jenny in the picture.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Thanks for sharing your story. My wife also had a Masters degree and I was pursuing a doctorate at the time (there is an entirely separate story I can tell about my feminist dissertation adviser)
I decided that I will never marry again. I have children, so that basic drive is handled - although I will say that had I known things would get the way they are, I would likely NOT had children. Why do this to them?
Sorry to hear about your travails bro. And you are right - that is eerily similar. And this is why most of us are here: We listened to other men, then more, then more. Then we realized that...
A) Not only are we "not alone", but there are MILLIONS of men in our exact same shoes. This is not a trend - it is a feature of the system.
B) AWALT (and the system backs them up)
C) We are not bad men. Most of us did nothing wrong - in fact we tried hard to be perfect, and shit still went off the rails
D) What is being done to men may not be intentional or with malice intended, but the outcomes and results are evil. And the only way to win the game is to not play it at all.
Good luck my friend. I hope your current situation fares better than the last.
chuck-u_farley 3y ago
Thanks bro. Current situation is ..... "manageable." The thing is between my college fiance leaving me and the thing with the ex-wife, I don't really think I am capable of having the same type of intense feeling/attachment to ANYONE. Also, I have just learned to stop caring and accept that if my current wife decides to leave, there is nothing I can do so I just try and get through each day and come what may.
Agree 100%--Wish this redpill shit had been avail when I was in my 20s. If it weren't for my kids, I would just totally check out of society and go live in a DIY van camper by a river.
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Thats because we listened to the advice of our mothers and teachers and tried to be "gentlemen" instead of just being asshole fuckbois.
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I disagree. I think this was planned by radfems since the 60s. Masculinity in general is under attack and there is a concerted effort to feminize men and marginalize them.
houseoftolstoy Mod 3y ago
The thing with this concept is that it relies on a very critical detail: the willingness to walk away. This works well for men in relationships that are not marriages, because the consequences of a break up are fairly minimal when compared to a divorce. When you are married, the practice of "maintaining frame" cannot be applied 100 percent for the very reason of divorce being a real possibility that will not end well for you. Yes, I know that keeping control is important for a man, but as you said it is not possible to keep that up all the time. And for the man that actually wants to be married, having a willingness to walk out attitude is counterintuitive to that goal. At least my understanding of holding frame is showing that you are not fazed to the point that you are willing to show that you don't need her.
Regarding those like Jenny, that is why it is important to observe the type of people a woman keeps as friends and who she looks up to within her family, as that will tell you a lot about who influences her and whether or not a Jenny will be likely to succeed. I know that you have stated it is no different with other women, but there are differences in how much a woman can be influenced by those types of women. That is, some women will fall prey to those kinds more easily than others. It is important to avoid the type of woman who is most definitely too easily influenced by bad people. If there is any chance of preventing that, it is that she is influenced in a positive way. But that needs to be consistent and far more present than the negative influences.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Hey HOT. I was just running through old posts to make sure I respond to everyone who took the time to respond. Forgive the late reply.
As always your insights are much appreciated.
I am not married, but dating a woman now. I have dated only a few woman in between this story and today. And with all of them, I made it perfectly clear (without making a big deal about it) that I have an extremely low tolerance for bullshit.
In other words, I will walk away in a split second if things are not working for me.
No anger, no emotion, just self preservation and cold hearted realism. Time is short and there are many other ways to spend my time. Besides, there are like 3.6 BILLION women in the world. Why get twisted over one of them?
Thanks again for the reply.
[deleted] 3y ago
There is your mistake right there...
She never loved you as much as you loved her.
Women aren't capable of lasting love for men.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
You are partially correct.
My wife loved the FUCK out of me. But when she stopped, that was that. Their love for men is very real, it is just temporary. And it is different from the love men feel.
Women also do not understand the concept of unconditional love of children. If a woman has ever said to a kid "Ok, FINE!" or has given them the silent treatment; that is a threat that says "Do what I want, or else I will no longer love you."
MrNeurotypical 3y ago
First, sorry for your loss and the trauma your kids went through. I hope you all got some grief counseling and are doing better. That inner boy who died was your suffering due to being attached to something that you lost. I used to be the same way. While oneities is a form of attachment based on covert contracts, this form of attachment is often called pair bonding. I used to think I would be destroyed and kill myself if my wife died. I was setting myself up to suffer immensely. She's going to die, that much is certain. So I accepted it and now I'm not attached any more, and won't suffer when she's gone
As for Jenny and your wife's sudden changes, feminism is a force to be reckoned with. Let any man who reads this be forewarned. Feminism teaches women to believe that women are superior to men, women are victims, and men are the oppressors. A house wife is suddenly a slave and not a person benefiting from her husbands salary while chipping in. She's oppressed for giving her husband sex and children. The best defense is a wife who knows it's all a bunch of BS and recognizes how delusional her feminist friends are.
In honor of the OP I'm redirecting my charitable donations to anti-feminist causes. The guy over at 21Studios comes to mind.
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 3y ago
That jackass is a charlatan.
I'll expand on this if you need, but please don't give him anything.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Thanks Brother. I appreciate the comment. Your post is what rattled my cage to begin with!
MrNeurotypical 3y ago
Get used to it(posts like that). It's way more common than I thought. I originally saw it on MGTOW and the OP there was like "yup, this one never gets old". Seems like the majority of women have done this at some point.
Saianna 3y ago
Tbh the moment I read "jenny" I already knew what will happen. I've experienced few cases of fun, cool and nice women at my work undergoing personality changes simply by being in range of almost abusive hammer-of-a-personality twat femminists that used their work place as rallying grounds (place? flag? Not sure which term is the correct one) for femminism.
You can't do anything, because even if you warned your gf/wife of the danger s of being influenced by the loons, sooner or later, simply by information-osmosis they'd be affected either way. They are like cancer with metastasis.
The only ways to "defend" against it is if your love is simply immune (or rather heavily resistant) to the bullshit by having good and solid conservative upbringing or she, herself, has hammer-type personality and threats other folks she disagrees with as nails on a board.
Either way: sorry for your loss.
BluepillProfessor 3y ago
Very sorry your little dude died. You don't have to kill him but you do need to beat his bare ass with a belt sometimes.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
I am not sure what you were shooting for there, but it went over my head.
I tried to make it clear that a part of me died. The nice, friendly, agreeable part.
Making jokes about child abuse is not very funny to me. You should take that sort of disgusting humor elsewhere. I know your contributions well, and I respect your perspective on most things.
But as a father, I reject the idea of child abuse. Even in jest.
BluepillProfessor 3y ago
I am suggesting to other people that you don't need to kill that part of you which is friendly and agreeable but you do need to discipline it.
BluepillProfessor 3y ago
When I was a child I thought like a child. I acted like a child. I had overwhelming emotions like a child. When I was older i took the red pill I put away childish things.
Your story is tragic but it will save many guys who read this.
yabbobay 3y ago
I am so sorry. I have Jenny friends and I know I need to keep them at a distance. Reading subs like this and one man who turned me into this sub really made me see it clearer.
The Jennies of the world has made it harder for the ones who don't know how to play games. The men who want to play, don't like the nonchallenge and the ones who don't want games assume you are playing.
Jenny's have made it shitty for everyone. I would go, and tell everyone else to go, my/their own way, but humans need touch and companionship.
You have me sobbing for the both of us.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Thank you for the kind reply. Life sucks and then you die.
But there is a lot to enjoy along the way.
Like I said: The best revenge is a life well-lived. So that's what I focus on!
Dean_Clean 3y ago
Good post sir. For those of us who've been around a relatively long time and seen alot of life, life circumstances can be messy and complicated and no amount of simplistic approaches like "hold frame" are a panacea.
There are more Jennies out there now than ever. For my own purposes, I think of it in terms of societal Narcissism since modern Feminism and Narcissism have quite a bit of overlap. Alot of what we see in relationships at home, at work, or in politics is driven by envy and resentment. When you're a successful man, this envy and resentment will come for you eventually and I personally didn't comprehend it until after the fact. Just consider that the more hate you get, you're probably doing something right.
Living well as a form of revenge is best and more effective today than ever.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Thanks for the great response. Knowing there are other men, like you, who really seem to get it, gives me inner peace about all of this.
sicrm 3y ago
there’s so much you have to do right and avoid to have a marriage that even lasts as long as yours did...and it can go get imploded by the wrong person.
calling serious relationships a minefield these days is an understatement.
NoonTimeHoopsMVP 3y ago
Avaritia is the worst of all sins.
Jenny used it to destroy another woman's happiness. Despicable.
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Same sort of thing happened to an old work acquaintance. His wife fell in with a new bunch of friends at work and got "feminized", demanding that husband open the relationship so she could "express her sexuality" and that him denying would be emotional abuse. Thankfully he had a backbone and divorced her instantly, as he could see where it was headed. She was going to cheat anyway, so why not spare himself the heartache. This demand was at the long end of the argument and statements phase, so she'd already changed so much that he couldn't stand to be around her. She hit the party trail with her new friends, got drunk most nights, failed to look after the kids when they were with her, slept about etc... She ended up getting hooked on a class A drug, he got full custody of the kids. She's now a junkie with a bare house because she's sold almost everything to fund her habit, no longer see's the kids, and will probably be dead within a few yrs.
Thankfully he and the kids are fine. The kids are young enough that they don't really remember her too much so the trauma of her abandoning them doesn't really hit home. They have a happy, well off life without her. She did come crawling back a yr ago asking for him to help her....with money, not rehab or anything like that. She wanted £2000 to start afresh, he said no as he knew it would go straight up her arm. He's now moved house so she won't know where they live and cannot bother them every again.
uberduger 3y ago
Jesus Christ.
Imagine being pathetic enough to have your wife float the idea of fucking someone else and going "Oh, hey, cool! Yeah, go on, go find some piece of trash to put his cock up your arsehole."
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
I used to read stories like this as "revenge porn".
But because I know of so many such stories IRL, I know this happens. More than any decent person should be wish for.
tokixdoki 3y ago
hope jenny drops dead or suffers miserably!
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DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
I truly believe that a woman can love a man. I know this is possible.
The problem is that for men, it is a lifetime sort of thing.
For most women, it is just a phase.
Mission-Document5257 3y ago
A phase that can shift in the span of a single heartbeat.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
No joke.
Ask me how I know.
Mission-Document5257 3y ago
You have ANOTHER heartbreaking story? Ok, I'll listen...
yellomachine 3y ago
I know I didn't love my ex wife and I know she didn't love me. We were so young. We didn't have a clue. Her mother never really wanted her to be with me. She gave my wife the easy out. "Come back home, darling".
So after 5 years and 2 kids, she moves back in with her parents. I almost starved to death paying child support and had to move back in with my parents.
I am so glad you had that love while it was there.
Micro_Peanuts 3y ago
I'm so sorry to hear about what you went through. Hope you're doing better now.
yellomachine 3y ago
Thanks. I'm doing great. God brought me the wife I had been praying for in 2016. She was divorced too and she accepts half the blame for that. We have both found real love in each other and it's indescribable. That's how I know I never loved my ex. This is so very different.
The_Meep_Lord 3y ago
Is it a phase or is it a lie to get what they want out of you?
Remember how quickly she changed when it was time to move on from you. Did she change or did she just stop chameleoning?
I have seen women’s hobbies and values change to suit a new man, it is all a big sick joke once you understand it.
Hence why women have always been enslaved and oppressed throughout history. By scaring women to the pint that they were second class citizens and forcing them to depend on men for money, we created a lie that pleased men. We went as far to mutilate women’s genitalia and women were so repressed they didn’t even know how to enjoy sex period.
Aka men are so desperate to deny reality that they would rather force the lie to exist then accept the truth. Which is sad. She is no angel and never was who you thought she was.
If Jenny did anything, it freed her from you. Before you get mad at me for that, you need to think about this. Jenny did not brainwash her, she was brainwashed away from her instincts.
Now whether she/society/children is better off free or not is another topic.
It is easier to accept this now then later, but red pills will be shoved down men’s throat until he accept it or dies in bitter denial.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
This is a good point. I didn't make such a distinction. I think some women "fall in love" because its cool. Others do the same thing for babies, others for money, others out of boredom. Who knows?
But "lie to get what they want out of you" is certainly one reason women play that game for sure.
The_Meep_Lord 3y ago
It sucks knowing the truth, but it is also freeing and is the true path to our happiness.
Feminism freed us from the chains we didn’t know we had, we no longer have to be servants for some drug believing that it was something more then it really is.
Just think of how pathetic we all were when addicted to it, we even act proud of being a useful idiot lol.
amameyplebbitor 3y ago
It's as they say: Misery truly loves company, and this seems more common with women and their fake sisterhood.
[deleted] 3y ago
That was a gripping story and well written. Thanks for sharing.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Thanks. I have been here for a while and promised I would post more of my story some day. the other mods are a bit more courageous than me and have posted their stories already.
So I owed it to the sub.
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 3y ago
I haven't shared that much.
Well, not all in one place.
And I second what /u/moorekom said about not owing.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Fair enough. perhaps I should have said it differently:
"I felt compelled to share more of my story because I previously promised to do so. I also feel like I am cheating the system a bit by watching others dig deep with their own stories, while I sit here and make fun of Nasty Women."
moorekom Mod 3y ago
No, you did not owe it anybody. Safety comes first. If it is information that will hurt you, help identify you or is otherwise unnecessary, please do not share it. Personally, I don't care about anything other than information that helps to get an understanding of someone's character, especially online. Everything else is fluff.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
I respect your view.
And I stand by my statement. It felt like a dick move to read so many honest and private stories from the men here, while I kept mine to myself.
And THAT is my view.
kiaeej 3y ago
Damm man. This shit hit harder than i expected. I think my wife is getting poisoned by a jenny...please dont let it be so. PLEASE DONT LET IT BE SO.
MrNeurotypical 3y ago
Oh you gotta shut that shit down immediately. The best way to do it is to expose feminism for what it really is: the belief that women are superior to men, women are victims, and men are the oppressors. I show my wife this sub all the time. I explain to her the misery all the feminists bring on themselves. She knows she's going to be taken care of when she's old because she's a good wife and those feminists will be alone with wrecked families and their kids will be worse off.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
My best wishes are with you bro. This sub is a lot more serious than we let on.
You know where to come IF things ever go sideways. And don't listen to the Black Pill crew - all is not lost. It's just bad odds for good men.
warlocc_ 3y ago
AWALT just means "always treat the gun as if it's loaded".
Plenty of people handle guns, enjoy guns, and don't get shot their whole lives. It's not as bad as we make it out to be around here.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Perfect analogy. I am going to borrow this!
amameyplebbitor 3y ago
A kind of "hope for the best, but plan for the worst" if you'll. NAWALT but man, do the environment in which changes them and quickly. It's a frightening thing if you think about it, thus why AWALT makes perfect sense when you factor in women's predisposition towards obedience, social harmony, etc., the environment, etc.
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DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Thanks. And yes, a gutpunch is the apt description.
warlocc_ 3y ago
The worst part is, Jenny is never the one that gets hooked on the drugs and dies, she just ruins everyone around her.
Anderfail 3y ago
No Jenny’s usually end up dying alone or ODing on drugs. People like this do not have happy endings becaus they are incapable of empathy and people are instinctually revolted by them after finding out who they are.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
My brother, there is a separate story about Jenny. I will share it.
Her story is as predictable as you can imagine. Stay tuned.
Overkillengine 3y ago
If it's any consolation, Jenny is the sort to die alone in a pile of their own piss and shit some nursing home with no friends or family to advocate for them since they've managed to destroy or drive off anyone good in their lives.
imapotato99 3y ago
Yep, my ex wife had a "Jenny" and it cost me a small fortune in divorce. I hope women like that rot in hell
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Sadly, they won't rot in hell.
But they will suffer for years, right here on earth. The worst of them suffer - we just don't hear much about them.
Karma truly is a bitch.
Scourmont 3y ago
Funny how often I hear of divorce because of a Jenny. Same thing with me and my ex except rather than being a feminist this jenny was a married CC rider and encouraged my ex to cheat on me. The day I found out about her cheating on me the person I was died. Now I just don't care anymore. I live my life and generally keep women out of it.
Blackbarnabyjones 3y ago
THIS.
42252252 3y ago
We talk about there being no good women, but it wasn't always that way. The boomers even have some of the good ones left, but they're rapidly dying off. As not politically correct as it sounds, women need shame to stay in line. The girls who thought they'd incur societal disapproval if they went out on girls' night, or picked up some job working around single men a lot, or even spoke to a man outside the marriage. (that's why she didn't have single gal pals, either. Couple friends ONLY!) Hell, she'd talk to her female counterpart of the couple friend, if she needed to communicate anything to the guy. It wasn't about being shackled, or her controlling husband threatening to beat her ass if he caught her talking to a man. It was just something she innately did as something that good family heads, wives, and mothers did. They avoid putting themselves in situations that could even begin to foster indiscretion. Those were good women, or at least as close as they could get to them. Sure they had issues, but they'd try to stay true to some kind of moral compass. It's not crazy to think they still exist, having grown up exposed to all their generations telling us nonstop that "oh, don't you worry there are plenty of good ones out there!"
Something sorely lacking even in most trad marriages is the "us against the world" mentality. Ideally, you have each other's backs against even the closest family members. To protect it, she'd keep her Jenny's far in the outer perimeter of the friend circle at best, and if she heard negativity, backbiting, faultfinding about her marriage she'd get a stern warning about speaking that way about her husband. A LOT of marriages crumble when each little niggle, fight, and outburst is recanted in detail to outsiders, with never a hint of followup about the making up afterwards. Each confidant becomes a reservoir of hate, a constant source to reming you of all the anger you felt in the past. All those chip away at the marital foundation, each crack giving more ground for the water to seep in, freeze, and open the wounds further.
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Your inner child often dies in life, but I've found the best way to keep it alive is to protect it in your children. We can deal with the rough sad stuff so the kids can enjoy their world without worry. I had to grow up early. It's one thing to just accept that the world is shitty and terrible in many ways, but something that helps preserve my sense of joy is sharing that fun, idyllic happiness with the people who are still pure enough to enjoy it. Share all your favorite stuff with your kids, let them enjoy things and build up memories for the years ahead. There's a very limited window to nourish the sould with that kind of happiness, and I've always thought it's a dad's job to make sure the kids are stocked up with enough joy to see them through life until their own kids are around too.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
My main goal with my children is exactly this ^. Well said, and just because that inner child is dead, does not mean that I have lost my bearing or love or affection or some sense of happiness.
the inner boy thing represents my wild eyed optimism and naivete. I am no longer optimistic - more of a realist. And I am, sadly, no longer naive about women.
[deleted] 3y ago
I've met many Jennys. This is why as a housewife, I have no friends except my husband. I have no need for the input of another female. And I don't think it's right for a married woman to be friends with males, even if they are friends of my husband. I will be courteous and cook for them when they come over to hang out with my husband, but that's as far as it goes. I'm seen as abused, stuck up, weird, etc for not wanting to be anything more than a housewife to the love of my life. I got told by many Jennys growing up that I need to go to college, "explore", "discover myself", blah blah blah. I even got told this by my own feminist failed adult of a mother. I have discovered myself in the arms of my husband, and the friendship and love we have is all I need. So to all the Jennys out there, I hope you die a sad, lonely life. You will never take what I have away. Never ever.
And to you, OP. I'm so sorry, and thank you. You have encouraged me to be better for my husband.
ImJoeyWhoDis 3y ago
This comment is 108 days old as I type this. I'll bet you are divorced now. You made yourself miserable by having no life outside of your husband, who you viewed as God, and when reality set in and you realized that he is a fallible human and you just wasted a sizeable chunk of your life, you did what everybody does these days: cut it and ran. It happens every. Single. Time.
I just want all the guys who think that unbalanced, loserly, needy, co-dependent women like you are desirable to read this. Guys, you don't want your woman seeing you as the one and only thing going on in her life. Trust me, that is not a responsibility you will enjoy.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Thanks for the response.
Most of us here are pretty open minded. Having had some pretty deep conversations with a few of the mods here, I can attest to their decent character.
So it is all the sadder to watch good men go through things like this. Culture is very powerful and we are in a destructive phase in the US right now. So these messages need not coming from just the Jenny's of the world.
Remember - the enemy is NOT your family or husband. It is the people pretending to be your friend and change your mind about wholesomeness.
Just let that sink in. Whether is a Jenny, or your Dad, or sister, or cousin, or the blogger you like. The best parts of wholesome American culture have been demonized and are being taken away - and one day will be erased and relegated to history books as some sort of racist/sexist relic of the past.
But being a good mother is neither racist or sexist. It is beautiful, and almost every decent man I have ever met would agree with me on this.
Micro_Peanuts 3y ago
As a man who lost his wife to a Jenny, you're a gem, please keep being you, your husband is worth it. Mine came back later, rejected, with STDs, indicating she was interested in me again, and I told her "you're not my type". Your husband is a blessed man.
[deleted] 3y ago
Thank you so much for your kind words and encouragement. It means a lot! Im so sorry about your ex wife. I hope that you are in a better place, and happier. Stay safe!
HornsOfApathy 3y ago
Just seems like a blame game. Your value wasn't worth what she thought she could get on the free market. So she took a shot. Jenny was just there. Didn't matter. You'd already lost.
moorekom Mod 3y ago
No. She had already strayed.
HornsOfApathy 3y ago
She's not yours, it's just your turn.
silly_birb 3y ago
My 7y long term relationship started deteriorating after my ex gf found her bff Jenny
The ugly thing is that you can't slap your wife/gf into sanity when the society will jump on your throat because of gynicentrism.
Women need to be protected from themselves and their friends.
ONEJOHNSON 3y ago
I can only offer my commiserations to you sir. As it is all I can offer any man.
The nature of women will usually, and unfortunately lead them astray down self destructive paths. Sad in a way, but there is only so much saving people from themselves. There comes a time when one (or a group) must let go, and let those that will, self destruct.
You seem to have a good head on your shoulders, it gives me hope for both you and your kids futures..
Worry not about the viper that poisoned your life, their kind die lonely, sad and afraid not only for the life they have lead, but for what comes after. Their final moments full of dread and foreboding..
Live sir, and live well. Live for you, live for your kids, live out of spite if you must, but do it well and to the fullest.
Kevin_N_Sales 3y ago
I've gone through this myself. 2 divorces, but no kids (luckily, because I sure tired to have some). The optimistic side of me is dead and gone. I'm now a realist with a few new quirks (aka defense mechanisms). Most of my life values I had as a kid were shattered, and it's is a soul crushing experience. I definitely am a Phoenix after putting in the work to better myself.
OP, I know your pain. Stay strong. There is a new and different life. And you'll grow and enjoy it. Time doesn't heal all wounds, it only seals them and leaves scars. I wish my exes were gone, but time and their life decisions will make that happen for them.
Truer words were never spoken. I just wish I'd known sooner. But, it is what it is.
Oh, and as far as frame, if you're truly red pilled and read Rollo Tomassi's 1st book, you already know that frame is fluid in relationships. No one person holds the frame permanently.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Kevin_N, I hear you. This was also MY second divorce.
Apparently marriage is not for a man like me.
Kevin_N_Sales 3y ago
I don't know what your future path is. You'll find out for yourself. Keep us posted on it from time to time. I've learned marriage isn't for me as well. But, you've got a new type of life. You'll get used to it, and eventually love it. Trust me, if you haven't already. It's a process and a journey, but you'll see you can break almost any barrier in life. Keep your head above water, brother.
baldestpianoman 3y ago
Damn I think life has giving me calm because I have never have a gf I’m 20 but damn I don’t think I can stand shit like that
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
I have slept with a countless number of women. And I too don't think I can stand shit like that!
The dangers facing you are the same facing me my friend. Keep your emotions under control and NEVER get married.
[deleted] 3y ago
Absolutely true. Misery loves company. If they can’t have what you do, you can’t have it either. Same for people in recovery, other users will drag you down.
IComplimentYourPet 3y ago
I’m sorry all this happened to you. Must be very hard for you to deal with and process.
My condolences.
Rinku_No_Mae 3y ago
Can somewhat confirm that I am 100% sure that my ex met a Jenny during her work days and something related to this happened to me. Prior having a job, she was a really amazing person to be with, but after hanging out with Jenny and other friends... Lies and other similar topics were increasing. And I wanted to believe that I was wrong. But it seems that I simply wanted to believe in something that at first I though it was bland. Now after this post, I dare to say that no. I was absolutely right.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Once you see it - or worse, this crap happens to you - you can never forget and you see it EVERYWHERE.
Women are not evil. They are just "like that". And men are far better off just accepting it and acting accordingly.
Anderfail 3y ago
This is why if you get married you should tell you wife that she should only ever have married friends. A wife with a number of single or divorced friends is a divorce waiting to happen. A wife surrounded by other married women who have families is a woman who will never stray and likely be a good mother.
Women are heavily influenced by peer pressure, far far more than men. The people they surround themselves with determine their personality even down to their politics.
Wolverinedog 3y ago
Correct, they are herd animals and social circles are their world. Entirely. If anyone doubts this....just take a look at how they are obsessed and possessed 24/7 with social media.
Micro_Peanuts 3y ago
Men used to be equipped to handle female nature, but not any more due to the laws. Until those laws change, DO NOT MARRY! Take it from a guy who was put through HELL!!
[deleted] 3y ago
First of all: I'm sorry for your loss. What a harrowing tale.
These "Jennys" are everywhere. You are right. Since they are too weak and too self-absorbed to earn happiness themselves, they want to mentor their "sisters" into the same kind of meaningless lifes they are going through. That's the problem at it's core - and it's always coated in this false sense of "sisterhood".
Most women don't understand that they don't compete with men, but with each other. However: since they are used to lying to make each other feel good, they just use that experience to sabotage each other.
Fun fact: This is the very idea FDS was founded on: Unattractive, over-the-hill women telling young and impressionable women about "that one guy who r*ped a baby" - and therefore you should break up with your faithful boyfriend.
Whole_Clock2565 3y ago
not gonna lie before things ended with my ex, i went off on her best friend who cheated on her fiance bc she was trying to do this shit to us "hey lets have some girls night out and go to this bar" "lets take a trip to vegas" "remember when we were single and how great it was" i verbally dismantled this woman in front of people when i heard the last one at a friends party and while i wasn't the proudest of it (because normally I was more reserved and nothing really bothered me but i had enough) and would have done it again. My ex was actually more turned on and cut her friend off after this. However we ended for different reasons about a year later.
[deleted] 3y ago
I bet she was.
Women love that sh*t. I can see why.
The_Meep_Lord 3y ago
I do not mean to make it worse for men here that are looking to understand women, but the reality is that Jenny didn’t do anything or impact anything.
She just gave validation to what the other girl wanted period. She ignored all the people who gave her other advice and if Jenny never existed she would just go Awalt anyway.
The only difference is that she might have waited a little longer.
I know men here struggle accepting this reality, but the truth is that most women are parasitic chameleons. She will become your soul mate when you are her target, then show her true self when it is time to harvest her crop fully.
Or like op said, he was amazed at how quickly things changed…because she didn’t change, she took the mask off and her real self came out.
The only reason it was different in the past was because she couldn’t take the mask off. So she just cheated and cucked you without you knowing. Usually with the milk man or someone like that.
BluepillProfessor 3y ago
Validation is a reciprocal circle jerk. Of course the wife will complain and bitch.n its what they do. The friend can either listen sympathetically and redirect her back to her husband or she can feed off the drama and, like a cockroach or a maggot, burrow into the rancid meat.
Feminists like to burrow and consume the host from the inside.
They are not innocent. They attack when the woman is most vulnerable and begin conspiring against her man simply to destroy what they have.
The_Meep_Lord 3y ago
It is the opposite, feminism is the freeing of female nature from tradcuck brainwashing. All the good traits you think women have are just lies and her being brainwashed by society to hide her own instincts for the sake of order and gynocentric traditional conservativism.
It is why traditionalism is all about preventing women from even discovering there sexuality period, keeping women so sexually oppressed that even revealing ankles was sexual at one point.
Now, do not misunderstand me. I am not saying this is good or anything. Just stating the truth.
You have to fully swallow the red pill and accept what women are as the genie is out of the bottle and we cannot put it back.
It sucks, I personally would end my life if I could be born in a universe where women were what we were raised to believe. But there is no such thing as a good woman or a good man. We are just animals playing god.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Thanks for the comment. It has been a journey indeed.
One of my coping mechanisms has been to post here on this sub. it suits me better than just about any other male-oriented sub.
black_snake_m0an 3y ago
I really don’t think it’s those stories that cause women to leave. The average woman knows pedos and rapists are a minority of men, regardless of what feminists portray. However to play devils advocate to my opinion, I can see these women convincing a woman that she was raped because she wasn’t in the mood and had sex with her husband anyway.
I’m sick of it. I’m sick of all of these women claiming to have been raped because feminists and male apologists have twisted the definition of rape and consent. Genuine rape is violent and absolutely traumatizing. rape isn’t something you realize happened to you 2 years later unless it occurred in childhood. Rape is an excuse so many women use to make themselves feel better about the fact that they fucked someone undesirable, and it’s pathetic.
Also, i need to mention all the fat and ugly women who claim to be raped because it’s trendy. Just no. It’s unlikely a man would even want to have consensual sex with them, let alone rape them. I genuinely think they believe it makes them seem more desirable or something. The #metoo nonsense is a mess and i don’t want to read your story about your fake rape or fake sexual harassment when there are real rape victims who are mentally scarred by their experiences.
Anyway, I do think it is more about the women convincing other women that they are missing out. They make the CC sound glamorous when it’s miserable. They don’t want to see other women in relationships. That is why women should rethink most of their friendships, if they constantly have something negative to say about everyone you date, they aren’t friends. They don’t want the best for you. They don’t want you to lock down a man before they do. They are disgustingly manipulative. I know too many Jenny’s.
I moved away and have limited contact with female friends. Just occasional phone calls or visits with two that I’ve known for 2 decades, and I’m much happier. Female friendship is essential in your teens, but in your twenties and thirties it can turn toxic very quickly because women are all in competition with each other.
I hate reading stories about women divorcing men for seemingly no reason. I even hate when people divorce over small problems-you’re married, you work them out. Ugh this whole post made me so angry.
The_Meep_Lord 3y ago
Feminists didn’t do anything. Women twisted the definition of rape to suit there desire of getting out of responsibility.
black_snake_m0an 3y ago
It’s women who identify as feminists that do this though. I agree not all feminists... but statistically, most women have not been raped, yet majority of feminists claim to have been. It’s not adding up.
The_Meep_Lord 3y ago
You are blaming the gun instead of the man behind the gun.
Even women who do not identify as feminists support them and there views via there actions.
black_snake_m0an 3y ago
Women who aren’t feminists can see past the fake rape allegations and are rolling their eyes every time they read a metoo story of some woman claiming to have been traumatized by her ex 4 years ago that she just realized was actually rape. They just don’t say anything because it’s not socially acceptable and they will be labeled victim blamers/rape apologists
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IoSonCalaf 3y ago
AWALT = All Women Are Like That
It’s a concept that has been known since the dawn of humanity. Mozart even wrote an opera on the subject, Così fan tutte
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
AWALT = All Women Are Like That.
Micro_Peanuts 3y ago
There's also EWALT = Enough Women Are Like That
Synovexh001 3y ago
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>that little dude inside me died.
>that little dude inside me died.
Man why you gotta attack me like this? Armor piercing rounds outta NOWHERE. I know exactly the feeling you're talking about. Like someone you'd always been, someone you'd always counted on yourself being, was gone forever. I had it in the easiest, safest, comfiest conditions I could hope for, I can't even imagine the agony of a decades long happy marriage getting poisoned to death. I'm sorry I can't take the pain off ya, but I hope you're getting some sweet revenge.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Thanks. I appreciate the comment.
I am long since past that, but like Frodo says at the end of the LOTR story...
goodmansaysfuckyou Mod 3y ago
Came here to bust your balls about a humorous post. Can't do that now.
That shit is brutal. Unfortunately for everyone, JENNY is not just at work or in her little friends' circles. Jenny is on every fucking TV show, every fucking movie, every fucking magazine article, every fucking internet click, and every fucking talk show. Jesus Fucking Christ...JENNY is everywhere that you turn. She is always there trying to tell other women what to be and how to act in hopes of building her own ego by destroying others.
Peace be with you brother. That little boy didn't die...Like all little boys, he was just forced to grow up and face the harsh realities of adulthood. We've all been there.
loneliness-inc Mod 3y ago
Well said my dude.
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 3y ago
Same :(
On a serious note, I'll copy and paste what I said about this post in response to another user in a thread at trp.red:
anonimoreborn 3y ago
I'm worried about you and your wife,brother. Are you two okay?What do you mean she chooses misery?
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 3y ago
Most of the time, yes.
She tends to despair at the slightest bump in the road, rather than rolling with the punches. She engages in a lot of self-defeating, loser talk. Even when things are just fine or even pretty damned good, she looks for something to complain about.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
In other words, she is a woman.
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 3y ago
Hah
anonimoreborn 3y ago
Different visions of the world,my brother. That is something that can be changed,but she needs to want it to change. I wish the best of luck to you!
BluepillProfessor 3y ago
Even that special cream doesn't get rid of these crabs.
DaleGribble692 3y ago
Well and the thing is that we would all like to think that our wives or girlfriends are different but they could fall into the same trap ops wife fell into.
I-am-the-lul 3y ago
Being a NAWALT in this society is kinda like being a straight-laced cop working for a thoroughly corrupt police force.
^(In this particular context, a NAWALT is simply a woman who keeps the worse aspects of her female nature under control.)
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
I hear you, and thanks for the comment. You can bust balls any day - this is a few years gone now, so it doesn't sting so much anymore. It is just that I can finally tell it now without too much emotion clouding my writing.
Have a good weekend brother. See you over at TRP.RED
anonimoreborn 3y ago
My faith in you never trembled. Sure,I don't know you in real life,but I read your story from start to finish,but never saw a bad person there. i believe your little boy is merely sleeping,as is mine(doing therapy to wake him up). I have not prayed for years now....but I will pray for you. You deserve it. Live a life in peace brother.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Thank you for the kind words.
anonimoreborn 3y ago
(sorry for bothering you. Just wanted to show you my prayer). "Father,forgive this guy's soul. Yes, I am not worthy of your time. I'm not a religious man. I am not a god-fearing man. But i feel sad for my brother-in-soul here. So, Since I'm asking for another soul, I'll guess I'm not being selfish. He passed for a lot of hardships,but this last one that was confessed to me and his other brothers,it's too much. I know of your ways,father. You wouldn't do this to one of your children. I know you wouldn't. Please, help this son of yours find peace, be it finding another person to help ease the pain or be it only with his family. Just don't let it be in solitude,because he does not deserve it. I again, ask for forgiveness for the blasphemy of talking about you and implying I know about your works. Just one more time: help this brother-of-soul of mine, to find peace. He deserves it. " (Now talking to you:) Sorry for not being there for you. I can't help you,no matter how much I want to. So I'll force myself to conform with this situation by not pestering you anymore with my messages. I wish nothing but the best for you.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
Thank you.
GundamZero83 3y ago
This is why my wife stays home with the kids and home schools, none of that crap to mess with her head. Sorry for your loss also, that’s heart breaking.
Chgralac73 3y ago
watch the shows from 60s, theres always meddling Jennys in the neighbours house next to yours ...
[deleted] 3y ago
Oh, christ, this is heart-rending.
There's no words.
I'm sorry isn't enough.
All I can tell you is I've lived something similar and I too miss who I was.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
sigh
Yeah.
goodmansaysfuckyou Mod 3y ago
Cross post this to WAATGM.
moorekom Mod 3y ago
This post is now pinned in the child sub. u/DeeplyDisturbed1, please cross-post this post to the main sub and lock the comments there.
DeeplyDisturbed1 3y ago
It blocks me from doing so. Thoughts?
goodmansaysfuckyou Mod 3y ago
I just modified the cross post option. try it now.