Imagine being in your teens, being mystified about women and wondering how to sleep with them to satisfy your biological urges. After all, women are biologically at peak fertility during high school, and you have a crush on 1-2 of them that has been forming for years. But, they aren't interested in you. They are interested in Chad Richkid, or Tyrone Drugdealer, or some other college douche. You don't understand why; after all, you listened to your mom / teachers / Hollywood explain that women want a Good Man, someone who respects women, listens to what they say, and treats them as equals. Why, then, do these other assholes attract women your age despite very obviously being losers with no future? You try not to dwell on it much since you have to pass your classes and get into college or whatever, but you biologically cannot help but try and get laid as much as possible.
Then come your 20's; you graduate college or otherwise find a good field / trade to get into, and you're setting yourself up to be prime husband material. You get laid a handful of times but your sex life doesn't compare even to what you saw other douchebags get in high school. The women in college were easy fun, but they mostly weren't interested in marriage (and if they were, they would rather have a Christian Grey / CEO type over you). Chad and friends from high school may be unemployed or in a fledgling band, or full-on drug dealing by this point, and to your bewilderment they still pull all the girls from your college / age group. "Whatever", you think to yourself, as every movie you watch reassures you that women deep down want a guy like you to love and marry them; they just need to get the kinks out of their system first. You build yourself up career-wise and still put in effort trying to get laid, but compared to high school where it was an obsession, the effort put in during your 20's is only when you have the time.
Imagine now in your 30's / 40's; you have a career chosen and are making serious bank. You may or may not own your own house, and you are a responsible, tax-paying adult. The only piece missing is the wife and kids! Now that you are prime husband material, you go back into the dating pool... only to find women that are known sluts, man-hating hags, single moms, divorcees, unambitious losers with mountains of debt, and some that are all combinations of these things. You take a look at online dating, but realize quickly that at least 95% of women on there are terrible marriage prospects, and even still they are getting solicitations from guys that are "hotter" than you; you have no chance reaching out to them online unless you lead with how much money you make, but you know that will only attract gold-diggers and divorce-rapists. You start to notice increased attention from women your age; it seems that they are finally ready to marry. However, you know that they have spread their legs for Chad and friends for free in the past, while they make you wait until date #3 before you get so much as a kiss. Why would you waste your time on OLD and putting yourself out there for women, only to get Chad's used up leftovers?
You were supposed to be every woman's dream man and by every measure of what society / Hollywood says, you are. You are financially stable, not terribly ugly, but you have a good heart and want to love and marry and have kids. And yet, Chad and friends who are now unemployed or destined for menial low-level jobs, have kids out of wedlock and still sleep around. It may dawn on you that you were lied to, or it may not; at this point it doesn't matter. You decide to focus on yourself, since your life has nowhere to go but up due to your good decisions in your 20's.
Women take to the internet and cry out for a Good Man, and conveniently leave out their history over the past decades, where they walked past Good Men to hop onto Chad's dick; often right in front of the Good Man! "Good Men don't exist" they type in their 30's, 40's and 50's, while they scroll through Tinder and swipe based on looks alone, painfully unaware of the abyss that awaits them in old age. They look out the window to see you, driving down the street in your favorite car, doing whatever you feel like. "What a loser / incel / pervert, he doesn't know what he's missing."
You, however, ignore them in the exact manner they ignored you decades ago, and smile because you do, in fact, know what you're missing. Bullet dodged.
xFSUxJakk 5y ago
L337
notpcperson 5y ago
I wish someone told me this along time ago :p. I came from a culture outside of the west. Which values work and stable family etc.. When I came to the US. I brought into the Western Lie about respecting women and being a good provider etc.. I work hard and started my own business during college, chased girls, and wasted money thinking, I'm going after good girls lol.
where all of them party etc.. But now I'm older and wiser. I don't' waste time or money on them whores anymore. They only wanted bad boys who won't ever amount t o anything in life. always bitch where are the good men etc...You friend zone them and left them for chad and tyrone lol.
jjaaayy 5y ago
you know that they have spread their legs for Chad and friends for free in the past, while they make you wait until date #3 before you get so much as a kiss.-bruh
N1KMo 5y ago
Very well put! Can see myself too much in this, just once again happy I am not alone in this. I am now 30 years old and been happy single for the past 5 years.
I have a sister aged 22 and I wish her all the best. She is not like the women described in this story but I fear what damage it is doing that many she is around is. Not helping that her idiot boyfriend that just got a stable job got snatched from her by one of said girls..
I know it is easy to see it black and white, but tbh we need less idiot men out there and more bros in these times or nothing will change sadly.
loneliness-inc Mod 5y ago
Nice progression here. Happens to so many men.
I'm very much in favor of gender segregated schools for many reasons. However, one silver lining of mixed schools is that men get redpilled much faster.
Remember, it isn't men who redpill men, it's women who redpill men!
0kool74 5y ago
You know, people think i'm crazy.....family, friends, coworkers etc. etc. because I have this same exact mindset and have espoused as much on multiple occasions. I was at the casino the other night and am on pretty good terms with a lot of the dealers. I was talking with one of them about the statistical analysis behind the Yo come 7, stick change come 7, die off the table come 7. As typical, he spouted the standard craps boilerplate of 1 in every 6 rolls. But it was what he said after that that I think is a perfect tie-in to the post here by u/ClockworkOrange92618 . He said that "you're focused on it because you only remember what you see."
Now I'm not retarded enough or incel enough to think that every single woman out there falls into the category of what has been laid out in this post. However, I have SEEN, more times than i care to remember or count, the young girls spread their legs for every Chad Thundercock and Tyrone "don't wanna be a baby daddy" loser out there and turn themselves into a cum dumpster. I have seen the 20s and 30s women that fail in love relationship after relationship because the only kind of guy that appeals to them is a piece of shit. And, I have seen the 40s and 50s women that bring jack fucking shit of value to the table, with their dug out and banged up tuna tunnel, fat rolls, tattoos and a whole host of other deplorable characteristics that no good man in his right mind would want, thinking they are now ready to settle down and are "entitled" to a good man. Now we all know those women would never tell the truth, but I think it'd be interesting if they were asked the question "how many good men did you pass over while you were riding the alpha loser cock carousel"?
But from an MGTOW perspective, the problem in all of this is biological evolution. The Chad Thundercocks and Billy Betas have it hard-wired in their DNA to chase pussy regardless of their motivations. I am that man at the end of the post....45, stable lucrative career, financially independent, own place own car, I won't try and gauge looks because that's too subjective, but basically everything have said ad nauseum that they are looking for in a man. And what kind of interest do I get? Yep, you guessed it......the landwhale single moms, former cock carousel riding sluts, mental and emotional baggage/damage.....basically everything that disqualifies women looking for a "good man." And ya know what? NOTHING is a greater source of shcadenfreude for me than to laugh at and reject those specimens of pond scum.
Here is wisdom for the Billy Betas out there......you don't have to have a woman to have value and worth......you can have that on your own. Don't compromise who you are for a depreciated asset!
FoxCatDogLionApe 5y ago
Such a beautiful post, saved it in my RP bible for my son.
moroots 5y ago
fascinating that women will shame men for being "afraid of committment" etc for not wanting to get married when it is quite literally the riskiest decision a man can make in his life
this isnt a tuna on toast vs tuna on rye decision. the consequence for making a bad marriage decision is wholesale catastrophe - financially, emotionally, spiritually, etc
further, once that marriage license is issued, the man abdicates any ability to forestall or even mitigate said consequences
not so much bullet dodged but scud missile aimed right at the heart
Yithar 5y ago
Yeah, um, super hard pass.
I remember there was a post from some woman who got an art degree in NYC. And I'm like, really, why would I pick you in NYC. Like it's NYC. There are a ton of 18-25 year old models in NYC, assuming that's what I wanted. She was looking for someone who's a CEO or lawyer or something as a good-paying job. And someone basically told her that's not a good paying job but a high-paying job. In essence, she was basically just looking for a beta bux to finance her lifestyle. And all she had for hobbies is "Netflix and chill".
moroots 5y ago
that post you linked to: what a fuckign train wreck. a 33 year old woman w basic questions on how to date men. good grief. and 5'9" 170 is fucking fat. if shes posting pics on rateme and getting that shes a 7.5 shes doing one of the following: posting old pics, posting face only pics, or the third option is that shes allowing thirsty internet losers to inflate her ego
truth is shes a fat 33 year old with zero social calibration trying to land an alpha in one of the worlds worst dating madkeds for single women
she is the poster child for what NOT to do if you want to land a quality guy
Rabano11 5y ago
In their mind marriage isn’t a risky decision at all.. women live in the now, they have no foresight that 99% of them will get bored, fuck other men and divorce rape men. You just have to do everything that makes her happy, which is a full time job.
Ideally you should morph into Christian Grey, getting steadily more attractive, she should get more and more insecure about your fidelity. She should chase you more and more because her emotions are eating her up from the inside. She’ll blame you for her issues because she knows you hold all the power, she’ll try to bring you down every step of the way, she’ll shame you, guilttrip you and if you don’t budge she’ll chase you forever.
But what are you getting out of all this? An aging specimen who’ll get progressively uglier by the year, has nothing besides a wet hole to add to your life. Wake up and never commit to any woman. Not even in relationship form. Why the fuck would you want all this for the prize of an ever depreciating asset who has nothing to offer but whinig and complaining, who can’t hold a conversation to save her life, mediocre at best cooking skills and a pussy you’ll be tired after max 2 years.
sleepyweaselisawake Mod 5y ago
Just a few years prior those women weren't ready to settle down and we happy having trains run on them. Women aren't ready to settle down until they can't get attention anymore. By the time that happens men are either committed or not interested in commitment. Maybe if women made better choices they would be happier.
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Better choices doesn’t equal instant gratification.
That’s why most will never make better choices.
sleepyweaselisawake Mod 5y ago
And, that's why women will never be taken seriously at any level that doesn't include sexual gratification.
Chad1Stevens 5y ago
Women peak at about 22. That's unfortunate because I prefer a few years older. This peak is physical, emotional and mental. After their early twenties all these begin to deteriorate. By the time they are in their forties they are in critical condition.
There are a very rare few that avoid this, maybe 5% of women.
Most of them have squarish bodies and have the shape of refrigerators. Their skin is constantly flushed, their face weathered and bumpy from years of makeup and their hair is stringy. They probably have faded, ugly tattoos from their fun years they will never get rid off as a constant reminder of what you've missed. Same with piercings. A dolphin on your ankle or tribal tattoo on your lower back isn't sexy. It just makes guys wonder how much of your past your are being honest with.
That goes with their emotional decline. This is the worst part of dealing with women. While there were signs of it in their twenties, by their forties it is hard to ignore; constant outbursts, snapping at waiters at restaurants, gossiping, passive aggressiveness. As they age women turn poisonous. They will say it is because of all they've been through with men and what they had to endure. That is a lie. Women overexaggerate their pain until they fool themselves into believing it's real. I've known several divorcees and all of them initiated the divorce but have convinced themselves it's the man's fault. Even if they came out the marriage with more than they went in with, they still feel cheated and vengeful against their ex. They have no emotional strength and break down from the slightest issue. When they do they expect everyone to come to stop what they're doing to fix it. The world stops from the smallest problem they face. Later they will moan that they have been too busy taking care of other people and they need time to themselves.
Often they hoard as a way to deal with their mental issues. Most every woman collects things they have little need for- dozens of pairs of shoes, closets full of clothes they will never wear again, but some of them collect so much it takes over their home. When it's time to move don't dare think that they are going to physically move boxes and boxes of their collections. They will harangue the men around them into doing the physical labor.
In those rare times a middle aged woman isn't mean, she's childish. Crushes on much younger men (think of the Twilight phenomenon), fascination with Disney, squealing, giggling like children, listening to teen music desperately trying to feel young. More than likely they have been married, raised kids and divorced but they yearn to return to pre teen childhood. They have to be the center of attention, constantly interrupting and raising their voice to talk over people just because they're bored. They spend hours a day on social media. These are the women that talk about 'adulting' as if it's cute that a grown adult has trouble taking care of herself. There is a lot said about men regressing during a mid life crisis but women are much, much worse. Middle aged women will decorate their homes with words of inspiration to give them confidence because they don't have any of their own.
Then there is the dishonesty. After working with so many women I've watched grown, professional adult women lie and cheat without a thought. As a woman's psyche deteriorates she is constantly fighting with low self esteem, insecurity, etc so she will do or believe anything to make herself feel better. I've talked to women that have made up long, elaborate past histories that are clearly fictional. I know it, everyone listening knows it but no one says anything to preserve the delicate feminine feelings. The only person that doesn't doubt this is the person telling the story because their brains have tricked them into making up some grandiose myth to feel better about their life.
I had a conversation with a woman that talked all about being a professor, something I doubted by how she talked and carried herself. When I looked her up she was an assistant for a kindergarten class.
I had an ex gf that told people she was a celebrity when really she was an athlete in an intramural league. She would ask people if they wanted her autograph. When they didn't know who she was it baffled her.
Another woman told a long story about how her husband died rather than face the truth that she divorced him.
What is upsetting isn't that they lied, but how adamantly they believed these things were true.
If you're not married by 35, there's no reason to. You should never put more into a relationship than you get back and by that age women cause much, much more stress than the comfort they bring.
five_eight 5y ago
jfc. The truth is disturbing.
beenthere789 5y ago
The juice ain't worth the squeeze.
oh_no_aliens 5y ago
I got literally shamed once for refusing to date a single mom, Yet the only person who took my side was my Based Grandma. Married grandpops at 17 and had 9 kids, that's how you fucking do it.
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I have always found it interesting that both Jesus and Paul did not take a wife. Hmmm....I wonder why. Yes, I know I'm a woman, but I'm waiting for marriage and it annoys me that many women at my church have not and they expect to be swept off their feet. I have a younger brother who is a youth pastor and he's waiting. He'll be 25 soon. I don't want him to marry a woman who hasn't saved herself for him. He says he's okay with that, but I think he's blue pilled.
BluepillProfessor 5y ago
Virgin youth pastor age 25 is blue pilled? You think?
If you are indeed a rare virgin Christian chaste woman then talk to your pastor and your parents. Talk to the godly older women in your church privately and go find yourself a 40 something alpha bucks doctor. After vetting, submit to him completely and make a godly family. You have chosen the better way and it will not be taken from you!
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BluepillProfessor 5y ago
Peter had a wife.
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BluepillProfessor 5y ago
Why? Pretty sure his wife is mentioned several times in the actual Bible and the early Church recorded her and Peter's death in the arena around 80 or 90 AD. She was torn apart by animals in front of him and then Peter was crucified upside down.
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BluepillProfessor 5y ago
That's it. I visited what is believed to be the home of the Mother of Peter's wife in Capernaum a few years ago. That text is only "indirect" in the sense that footprints in the snow are indirect evidence that somebody walked in the snow. I mean if you have a mother-in law then you are (or were) married.
Multiple 1st Century accounts document Peter's death.
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BluepillProfessor 5y ago
We are in agreement.
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Damn, I think I love you, no homo.
[deleted] 5y ago
sixty percent of women attending church are worthwhile?
That's patently ABSURD.
Listen, men: I am a product of 1980s "moral majority" "conservative Christian" culture. I've been almost a lifelong churchgoer. I returned to it as a married man and am very, very familiar with conservative Christian culture, both today and in the past.
I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that Christian women are just as bad, and in some cases even worse, than your average tradthot. I could go into great detail, but I won't. Suffice it to say that they might be Christians - sort of - but they're still women. And they have all the foibles and flaws that women have.
FactCheckOnTheFly 5y ago
After about the age of 28, a man has three choices:
I'll take the salad bar and cajun seafood at Ruby Tuesdays.
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And desperate women looking to settle down after their 'party' years...
The joys!
FactCheckOnTheFly 5y ago
Well that’s just it....
....the “party years” usually generate an “oopsie” baby or 3.
[deleted] 5y ago
No fucking way.
Source: my large church that I also work at.
[deleted] 5y ago
I do my best fucking Sunday afternoons. Just saying...
BluepillProfessor 5y ago
I think he meant 6%.
Raider_Scavver 5y ago
Even that is pushing it these days...
Cavannah 5y ago
What an insanely idiotic outlook these people have.
I'll be honest here: Throughout all of the churches I've been in during my formative and early-adult years, out of each congregation there were any where from at most one to four (and that four was out of a congregation of multiple hundreds) worthwhile women.
ZarBandit 5y ago
And that’s only from outward appearances. They are probably flaming shit shows in private.
frikabg 5y ago
Have you seen a dumpster fire? Yeah those women are like that but on steroids.
five_eight 5y ago
I did the church thing for a while. All the single women wound up pregnant over a year or so. If I'd wanted to 'jesus' it up and hold my nose, I could have nailed a herd. A low quality herd, though.
frikabg 5y ago
my biggest problem with christianity is this whole bulshit where those thots fallow the word of god (except not really) then sin than get pregnant then go ask for forgiveness and tadaaaa! She is purer than snow because she had the heroic strength to ask for forgiveness! ;) Just lol....
five_eight 5y ago
That's exactly the scenario at the churches with which I'm familiar.
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It's a fallen world, brother. Your churches are not going to be filled with chaste innocent women unless you become a preacher and require it. But if you do that, you will have no congregation to instill this word of God. Best to serve Him in all the ways you can rather than look for others to do the same. You will be waiting until He comes otherwise.
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I don't know why,But this post hit home.
After being denied many times and sometimes embarrassed. You just keep going and never taking a beating.
moorekom Mod 5y ago
As for why women go for bum-ass guys, you should read this post.
https://therationalmale.com/2011/10/20/alpha/
For understanding the subtext about the big question, read this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre/comments/96iini/what_good_men_are/
Either way, if you've developed in life from a beta bucks to an alpha fucks or an alpha bucks, as OP outlines here, taking on any woman is a risky endeavor. Always go for the younger crop and even then, pump and dump.
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splodgenessabounds 5y ago
It's a panacea we're all being sold nearly all the time, from films to endless hours of TEDx lectures to shelves straining with the weight of "self-help" books; what all of them steer well clear of is that what they're selling is placebo, not panacea.
What most of us want (IMO) is not happiness but contentment.
IME it's not so much that as it is a bitter pill: once swallowed it gives you reflux from time to time, but the way I look at it is that I'd rather voluntarily swallow it than have it as a suppository. BTW I don't think of myself as MGTOW and I've never adopted the tag - I suppose you might say I've "assumed the position".
magicmikefx 5y ago
Happiness is a blue pill delusion. Everyone has moments of so called happiness. But for the most part life is a perspective. That's why some people can find labour tasks relaxing. Life is truly what you make it.
beenthere789 5y ago
Very well stated and quite stoic. Searching for happiness by gettting a woman is like trying to fly by strapping lead weights to your body.
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The blue pill scenario might be best for some as long as you don't get divorce raped and lose half of everything or more and get told by a court how often you can see your kids.
But once a guy goes thru that, and realizes most of what he was taught about women and society is a lie, being alone becomes far more preferable than going thru Hell Part 2.
Fortunately some guys also learn from other's mistakes before making their own. Good for them.
CommentingOnVoat 5y ago
I was very happy on my own, but I always wanted kids, so it wasn't the happy ending I truly wanted. Now, despite being a regular here, mgtow and most importantly, voat, I'm still after kids.
I'm not sure if I'll be as happy as I thought when I get kids, but I did my best, got an attractive teenage gf from a rich family who openly mocks sjws. Seems like the best I can find. I do wonder if I'll be sharing my story in X years or if it'll last or if the kids will be worth.
lonewolfcatchesfire 5y ago
My wife disagrees. But then again, she always does disagree with me. Im not married.
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Damn. That's about all I can say to that.
TheNewGuest 5y ago
Epic read
beenthere789 5y ago
I checked my files and have no record of giving OP authorization to write my life story..
Glad to know it has a happy ending! The final line should read:
As he walked away, he could hear the plantation calling him, beckoning him back. But now he knew and understood he could never, ever go back. He'd seen too much, been through too much and undertsood too well now that he was never going back.
He smiled, started walking towards the sun. He was going his own way now.
five_eight 5y ago
Same. Last sentence is: Neo hanging up the phone and taking off weightless.