Men are universally able to separate all female acquaintances into two categories: women we want to fuck, and the rest.
The more of a beta-doofus you are the more likely it is that you want to fuck everyone you know, but for any man with a shred of dignity there will typically be a line drawn between potential fucks and "the rest."
A female not being on our literal "to do" list doesn't mean we want them to fall off the face of the planet or die in a fire, and it certainly doesn't mean we wouldn't lend a hand if they were falling off a cliff- it quite literally means that we don't want to have sex with them. And it is this distinguishing detail that opens up the rather new, from a generational standpoint, possibility of becoming just friends with a woman.
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"None of these girls want to be your girlfriend..."
It’s twenty years later and I still remember the uncomfortable feeling my Dad’s blunt assessment of my life produced.
I had just gotten off the phone with my friend Christine (or was it Laura?)- a multi-hour gab session about music, high school, TV, and love interests (girls I liked from afar, boys she had been fooling around with).
My Father sat me down for a heart-to-heart; "They just want attention from you but they don't want to date you..."
It struck a nerve for sure, but my teenaged self didn't pay much attention to my father's old timey advice. Sure, maybe that how his generation was with girls... but this was the punk rock, social equality generation! Boys and girls could be friends, share traditional gender roles equally, and respect one another fully!
So take that DAD- back in your box you go, and take your attempt at giving time-tested advice to your teenaged son, who sorely needed it, with you!
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To understand how it was possible that my sixteen-year-old self had his head buried so deeply up his asshole, we need to look at how boys and girls are raised.
While boys and girls each hear the same message of equality, it is interpreted in two completely different ways, and these separate interpretations create the foundation for the social programming men and women operate on for the duration of their plugged-in lives.
When boys are taught equality they are made to understand that boys and men are not inherently better, more skilled, or more capable than women.
Equality means that when your Grandfather demanded a male doctor you rolled your eyes; or when your Dad questioned why you bothered maintaining female friendships, you wondered why he didn’t get it.
Boys are taught equality with a diminutive undercurrent; they are to know their place and stay there.
Girls are taught equality with the omnipresent fallacy that female oppression dominated most of history- it's a goof, it's a lie, it's a power grab- and most importantly it's the basis for the biased approach to how girls are taught equality.
If the idea is prevalent that females were oppressed until the early twentieth century the bra-burning 1960s the girl-power 1990s the social-justice 2000s now forever, little girls are able to be granted full access to entitled chauvinism.
You'd never see a little boy running around in a "Boys rule" t-shirt; the idea seems fucking absurd.
So if little girls are raised to be permissibly chauvinistic; that equality means "YES YOU CAN" (and if you can't, don't worry, everyone will help you along anyway); that all women are inherently as-capable as the most capable of men…
How are these little girls being raised to view men?
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It couldn't have been more than ten years ago when Christine and I- yes, the same Christine, decided to split a bottle of Jack Daniels and shoot the breeze.
We had a lot to catch up on, a few years out from graduating college, and finally pursuing our “real lives.”
There weren't sexual intentions... gone was High School's wistful hoping that maybe something would develop between us...
We were definite chums and Christine had settled quite comfortably into the "and the rest" category; I saw her as a friend who was equal to the rest of my doofus male friends at that time.
So as the night progressed we decided to have the kind of conversation that a man and woman can only engage in if they aren't involved with one another: Intergender Real Talk about Sex...
And, of course, PENIS SIZE COMES UP HARD AND FAST and Christine is first to share her thoughts...
"It matters... Girls who say it doesn't matter, they're lying... of course it matters, but it isn't everything, you know?"
Translation: "It matters at my discretion."
If an interested man is Alpha-enough or a beta-man is wealthy enough… she can swallow the vomit she choked-up in her mouth at the suggestion of sticking his pathetic wang in her golden-vagina long enough for him to cum.
I remember finding this interesting and saying something like, "Guys are too hung up on penis size anyway... If a guy feels insecure over his dick size he can date a shorter, smaller girl, who has a smaller vagina!"
The conversation halted dead in its tracks. Her eyes sunk-in, her hair askew, her breath reeking of cheap whiskey; she angrily retorts: "All vaginas are the same size!"
This didn't quite jive with me. Nothing about girls' bodies were uniform: their hands and feet were all different sizes; they had different sized breasts and hips; bone structure and muscle density- all different! Why wouldn't girls have different sized vaginas?!
Now try to imagine if I had suggested that "all men have the same sized wankers," like, you know, it's been smoke and mirrors this whole time. I would have been laughed out of the fucking building!
So I kept my mouth shut... I saw the rage in her blood-shot eyes.
If this scenario had played out in modern times, you might even say she was ragey. Maybe she would have posted to Tumblr about it. But the sentiment would have been the same… the sentiment is always the same…
Christine viewed me as a beta-male, and as a beta-male I was not permitted to have any unapproved opinions- and these opinions must be approved by all women at all times.
Yes, someone opinions are irrelevant to this new breed of female- like whether I prefer bologna or salami, what sports teams I like, or what video games I want to play... but when it comes to sex, gender, women, or politics a beta-male’s opinions are to be strictly monitored and controlled by any and all women. Dissent is cause for furious anger or immediate disposal.
Men and women can't be friends in the way men understand friendship- the free and honest expression of ideas with mutual respect and tolerance for conflict because men and women were never raised to be equal.
After everything, my Dad was right on the money with what he had told me when I was in High School, wasting countless hours gossiping on the phone with these girls, only I didn't fully understand what he meant at the time; not only did these girls not want to be my girlfriend, they didn't respect me.
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Mightaswellmakeone 9y ago
A PUA group once tackled the issue of vaginal sizes. Penises are rated so much in regards to size, but not vaginas. So they created a rating system, you have kungfu grip, doorknob grip, and grandma grip.
I think implementing that system is a great step in gender equality.
BlaiseDB 9y ago
My rating system sort of sounds like buying timber. A 2 by 6 anyone?
I live in China now and I can tell you flat out: all vaginas are not the same size. It's not even a racial thing. When I lived in Canada I had a number of Chinese girlfriends. Maybe it's something in the water. More likely it is the basic absence of the carousel here.
thedude122487 9y ago
No wonder she viewed you as a beta, you didn't even defend yourself when you made a relevant, politically incorrect statement that you knew is factually correct.
I know from first hand experience that all vaginas are NOT the same size. Aroused vaginas vary as much in size as aroused penises do. It should be obvious that what matters for physical pleasure is that the penis size AND vagina size are compatible. That means that penis size does matter. But so does vagina size. The only reason our culture doesn't think of vagina size as mattering is because the vagina is an internal organ so its size is not obvious, whereas penis size is extremely obvious at a glance.
It's an under-handed anti-male bias on her part to have the opinion that vagina size doesn't matter but penis size does. In her mind, it's entirely the man's fault that her vagina size was not compatible with his penis size. But it's not entirely accurate for me to refer to it as an "anti-male" bias...it's really only a bias against men with below average penis size, and also against beta males who disagree with her opinion.
I think that's only true if she views the man as a beta male.
rpscrote 9y ago
Was coming here to say the exact same thing. Look, most the time, walking away and not taking the fight is the best plan. But by her specifically calling out a hard-fact statement and saying it wasn't true, that was a direct challenge. If you walk away after a direct challenge, you lost, and you out yourself as the less dominant.
The correct answer was "No." You don't engage in logical debate or that pointlessness. You shut her down with less words than she did you. "No" and don't cede an inch. That, or classic Agree and Amplify
vandaalen 9y ago
Defending and justifying are the traits of a chump. You presented your facts and she failed to acknowledge them. You tried to educate her, she didn't comprehend. You will never be able to force the truth down anybodies throat and surely not down that of a woman.
There is no point in wasting your time defending your position and justifying your position, because guess what? Now she succeeded in shifting the focus of the discussion away from the original topic to dicussing the liability and truth of your facts.
Don't let them distract you.
thedude122487 9y ago
By your logic, I shouldn't even respond to anything in your post because then I'd be a chump.
Oh shit, looks like I'm a chump.
vandaalen 9y ago
That's not my logic. It's nature's logic.
thedude122487 9y ago
Now you're defending and justifying your position, which makes you a chump.
vandaalen 9y ago
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Red-Zen 9y ago
To those who downvoted this... WOOSH!
oldredder 9y ago
Her mistake.
There is no argument worth having with an idiot feminist and/or hamster. You can trigger the hamster for your entertainment but you will get nothing more out of it.
The smart man walks away. The dumb women figure out 10 years later why no one talks to them anymore.
She's not trying to be friends with the alpha male either.
thedude122487 9y ago
I agree that OP needed to walk away, he just did it in the most beta way possible. All I'm saying is that he shouldn't have backed down when she got pissed off and scolded him for stating the truth. That's one way alpha women assert dominance over beta men. He should have held eye contact and responded with, "No, they're not all the same size. That makes absolutely no sense." And if she continued after that, then state that he disagrees and move on. Not break eye contact and cower in fear of her wrath.
So you're saying that no woman wants to be friends with any man?
oldredder 9y ago
Is that what I wrote? ALPHA male.
makethemsayayy 9y ago
I literally JUST commented on this girl's photo of a girl wearing yoga pants saying she was sent home from school, and that it was the boy's fault, and they shouldn't be staring at her like that. I wrote "yes it's the man's fault! those pervy boys!" though maybe I should add "fuck outta here" so this dumb cunt knows I'm being sarcastic.
floppymammarygland 9y ago
Maybe I'm missing something but what does this have to do with big floppy beef-curtains?
bluedrygrass 9y ago
I think the girl in the yoga pants had her labia clearly visible from outside. But it was boy's faults he got sent home because they kept staring at it.
It's becoming a thing, and it can be gross or annoying. Basically women aren't satisfied of only showing their entire body except the pussy, and are now starting to show even the pussy.
See also the countless celebrities "caught" without underpants under mini-miniskirts or volatile dresses, on red carpets and other crowded places.
It's paparazzi's faults if they caught their pussies on camera.
beerthroway 9y ago
He's using an example of women blaming men.
That girl was complaining that all vaginas are equal, essentially implying that if there are no differences in vaginas then men are to blame for anything that goes wrong. It's a bit of a jump but that's how I perceive it.
psycho-logical 9y ago
I once got downvoted to hell for suggesting genital size correlates with height for men and women.
Short guys have smaller dicks on average. Tall girls have larger vaginas.
Neither wanna to accept this reality. Somehow genitals are an exception, while every other organ and body part are not.
Short guys can have above average dicks (and they'll look bigger too). Tall girls can have the tightest pussies (fitness and kegels can help with this too). But regardless the odds are in neither's favor.
BlaiseDB 9y ago
I have not found a correlation for women (I have no interest in dicks so I have not investigated that particular question). I've been with girls from 4'11" up to 5'10". I had a date with one who was 6'3" but that didn't go anywhere (although that would have been interesting).
_orion 9y ago
I'll never forget someone telling me when i was younger "Big girls lil hole, small girls all hole"
bluedrygrass 9y ago
I've heard that too. I think it's the equivalent of the "dwarf penis" for males.
gravgp2003 9y ago
I have a quick story for you OP that I think you'll enjoy.
I was walking and talking with a couple of female friends. They were talking about how one of our mutual female friends (who was not present) slept around a bit, we can call her Monica.
Shana was the main talker of this group and she is even one of Monica's best friends. I made a comment to Shana that the only reason they hang out with Monica is because they have a friend they can say is the sluttiest so it gives them a free pass to do whatever they want. They could basically use Monica as the default and no matter how many guys they slept with, they could always say, "Yea but Monica is way worse than me."
She lost it and started screaming at me. This was in public on the street. I didn't back down and calmly reiterated my point. She got a little teary eyed and didn't really talk to me for the rest of the day.
Point being is that it struck a nerve with her and I think she was more angry that she was found out rather than realizing that is why she was friends with Monica in the first place. I thought her reaction was funny as well. Why would you just start screaming at someone like that? As the conversation progressed she only became more loud and angry. I just kept my cool and just hammered my point home.
BlaiseDB 9y ago
At one point I stumbled into a hen fest where a bunch of my female friends were lamenting about how many men they had slept with. They all thought their numbers were too high. I told them "but if you didn't enjoy it, then it doesn't count!" All of their faces lit up with that bit of insight.
FUBARtheinsane 9y ago
I am amused. Good job story teller.
Corndog_Enthusiast 9y ago
What's puzzling me is why the hell she was so pissed off about your vagina size comment... Maybe she's been scorned in the past for being loose?
loddfavne 9y ago
That every vagina is worth an infinite amount of money is something that the sisterhood holds as being true. Anything else is herecy.
rebuildingMyself 9y ago
Pure solipsism. She's loose and doesn't want to suffer for it.
sway_usa 9y ago
That was my initial appraisal as well
thedude122487 9y ago
Either that or she's heard guys scorn other women for being loose and it makes her uncomfortable. Either way, you'd think she was self-aware enough to recognize the irony in talking about how penis size matters.
makethemsayayy 9y ago
she's definitely got like a soul opening down there, it's a rift. she's like one of those 25 cent finger puppets..
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LastRevision 9y ago
There could be a few indirect reasons here:
a) maybe, to her, no beta-man anywhere should have a critical thing to say about any woman, anywhere.
b) maybe hating on small-penis dudes was a method for her to feel empowered- and by stating that small-penis dudes can help themselves in a way where they totally bypass the limitations of having a small penis was annoying to her.
c) maybe all women having a uniform vagina puts sexual performance squarely on men, and women LOVE to be critical of a man's sexual performance.
RojoEscarlata 9y ago
You are over reaching (and maybe projecting a little) here OP.
Making that retard "all vaginas are the same size" comment wasn't something aimed to attack men (as you describe in all three examples) women aren't inherently evil*, they are thought very insecure and have fragile egos, get emotional etc.
That kind of comment that girl did was only her going defensive, doe to her own insecurities, she clearly felt insecure about her cunt (maybe has big labia) and felt the need to defend big vagined americans, such as herself.
*This conception is what keeps most new people in the anger stage so long, women and morals/honor don't mix, the do look for themselves (and their offspring) first, that's how they are "wired", and its the natural way things are, thanks of hundreds of thousand of ears of natural selection. You wouldn't get mad at the rain, do you? If you want loyalty get a dog.
omnipedia 9y ago
Just wanted to say this article was one of the best I've ever read in the sub. Much thanks!
LastRevision 9y ago
Thank you! This was the launch post for my blog if you'd like to bookmark it:
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Much appreciated!
foldpak111 9y ago
It's always funny when a woman pegs you as a beta, when in reality, you're the opposite. I'm just like, man this girl is going to be a stress nut around me. Poor thing.
LastRevision 9y ago
It's interesting being hyper-aware of it post-TRP; you can usually pick up on it within the first minute of talking to someone.
garlicextract 9y ago
do you just keep on letting em think that way, or what?
TitsAndWhiskey 9y ago
I usually fuck them and then break their hearts
ilphae 9y ago
Sort of a chicken and and egg phenomenon in my opinion. Loose vag women typically chase larger cocks, resulting in a looser vag. They are typically boring in bed and just want a passive power fuck. They rarely exercise and lack tightness from that. They know it's loose but they are too lazy to do anything about it.
Sort of how small cocks get jumpy and uncomfortable when penis size is mentioned, women have equivalent insecurities.
RedBigMan 9y ago
I think women get more defensive about boob size since that's usually the more visible yardstick by which women get measured against other women... Coincidentally I think boob jobs are the most frequently done elective plastic surgery.
driveboy4 9y ago
idk about dick size making vaginas loose. I mean maybe 20 years of getting fucked by your RP husband with a huge cock or ofc childbirth. but aside from that there's no evidence getting fucked by big cocks stretches out vaginas.....has your cock noticeably grown in length because of your masterbation?
ilphae 9y ago
I understand there is a lot of misinformation out there. The truth is that a woman naturally becomes less tight over time. This can be hastened by stretching the vagina with large objects, including huge dicks, dildos, and most seriously child birth. It can be slowed via exercise. It's not rocket science.
Temuzjin 9y ago
I'd like to see a source that big dicks stretch out vaginas permanently.
1003rp 9y ago
They don't. A woman can pop out a fucking baby that tears the vagina and it goes back to normal. Not even the biggest cock would have permanent significant impact.
ilphae 9y ago
Depends on exercise. A post-labor vagina will never be as tight but it can be good enough to pleasure a man. Especially if the woman focuses on Keigels. A woman might take months to recover down there after different sized cocks. This is extremely taboo and difficult to find sources but I can tell you from personal experiences - both having been with a woman right after she was with a bigger partner and feeling the difference - and having a girl tell me her other partner noticed a difference after she had sex with me. There IS an effect, although possibly temporary based on physical activity and time. I am certain a woman that is stretching herself using over-sized dildos or huge sex partners WILL be less tight in the long run.
Why do you think small cocks get so upset about if a chick is smashing other dudes with bigger dicks? A man with a bigger dick doesn't care because he can still get pleasure from the woman, whereas a man with a smaller dick feels the woman is "spoiled" because she is no longer pleasurable to be with.
bluedrygrass 9y ago
Pretty much, all the reasons you listed. And maybe there are even more. This is an aspect that really bother me. There are petite women that can't even fit average penises. But still wants Joshua Falcon's wang.
But if you don't want to fuck them after having been left uncomfortably half-out, you're some kind of sick monster.
You can't fit me, you can't pleasure me. A male is laughing stock if his body, any part of his body can be criticized, but a female can never be wrong for you, even if she spends half an hour whining about the pain and forces you to move in slow motion.
Not to talk about females that can't self lubricate enough. Or the ones whose sensitivity have been killed by hours of furious full force vibrators pushed right on the clit.
But try to tell any woman of the negative effects of vibrations on the human body terminal nerves.
Watch the rage raising, as they realize if they can barely feel anything down there is due to their bad masturbation habits (shower head included), and their hamsters desperately spin in their heads to reflect their faults on men.
dr_warlock 9y ago
There you go. Sounds more arousing.
ilphae 9y ago
I have never heard that argument about vibrators being bad for women's sexual experiences. Do you have any sources for that?
Also, do you feel the same about male masturbation?
TitsAndWhiskey 9y ago
I have a source: an ex gf who literally could not get off any other way.
ilphae 9y ago
I knew a girl like this too, however I bought her her first vibrator and had to help train her to get comfortable using it. She was able to have her first orgasm using the toy. She felt sort of awkward with it at first. Correlation does not mean causation. Many many (maybe most?) women have problems achieving orgasm. Before reading this comment I always thought vibrators to be beneficial.
TitsAndWhiskey 9y ago
This one knew that she could before she started using them, and flat out said that over use had desensitized her to the point where vibrators are the only thing that worked now.
stilllearningsed 9y ago
They acknowledge and discuss this with regularity in r/sex which is a bastion of femcentric sex positivity. For women this is much like death grip in that it conditions you to need stimulation unachievable through normal sexual activity both at the psychological and physiological level.
bluedrygrass 9y ago
Well, the drawbacks of male masturbation are pretty well known and discussed, on internet at least;
for example, "death grip" is a common term, referred to strocking the penis too much and/or wanking too fast, wich leads to the "death" (it's a diminution, and theorically only temporary) of the penis sensitivity, and other problems such as premature ejaculation (from stimulating the brain too fast, too much, thus "larning" as a pavlovian reflex to respond that way even during normal intercourse) to its opposite, taking too long to come and losing the erection during normal intercourses;
The part about female masturbation is more obscure and substantially taboo; because females hates to be told that their beloved vibrators are harmful or that it could be their fault if they can't come in the bed, instead of it being the male's fault.
Works that requires the handling of vibrating machinaries are considered debilitating to the nerves; and not only the classic ones like jackhammers; even on low powered brushcutters you can find in the instructions that it's recommended to not use them for long, and to take pauses specifically due to the vibrations;
If you take a vibrator in the hand and turn it on, you can feel it going numb after just some minutes; the clitoris is one of the most sensible part of the female bodies, if not the, and evolutionally speaking, it isn't even meant for direct stimulation (it is so sensible because it has to be stimulated by the pressure of the partner's body, and the casual light rubbing of the bodies; if it was meant to be directly stimulated, it would be located just some inch below, or right in the vagina; case in point, some females are so sensible on the clitoris, that direct stimulation of it is just painful).
It's only emphirical observation, but the rise of the number of the women simply unable to come by standard intercourse, or that takes too long, can be linked to the exponential increase of excessive/harsh masturbation between new generation's females.
Women have came, for million years, with only a quick mount and little to no foreplay.
While today you can see so many videos of young healthy females still unable to come after ten minutes with an earthquake pushed between the legs.
Avoid the use of vibrating rings on your cock.
bitterRedpills 9y ago
Stupid as this sounds I've never considered this either.
Anyone out there have any sources to confirm?
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EightyTimes 9y ago
You can make anything sound logical with the right words.
Even the most sexual women dont masturbate as much as deathgrip men. Women using vibes train them to get off... and to fuck FOR THE ORGASM which translates to them needing less stimulation in sex to get off.
Might be wrong, but fuck, it's logical.
ForgeAndTemper 9y ago
This is right on the money. I was reflecting on this the other day, how penis size is considered a yard stick of testosterone and performance, and leads many men to feel awful about their prospects (often erroneously), and yet a loose vagina is nowhere near as demonized, or even acknowledged. The variance is far greater than woman will admit or betas can know.
Christian_Kong 9y ago
I've had more than one girl tell me that vaginas dont loosen up. Yup girl, that guy with the huge dick that doesn't quite fit on the first bang, you might as well break it off cause it's never going to fit due to women never loosening up.
OilyB 9y ago
Loose vags are demonized, just not (openly) by men but by women themselves. I've had a number of fwbs be more generous about anal after they asked 'which hole was tighter' and I told them 'obviously the chocolate factory'. They die when they get feedback about their vag being loose (I call it 'cowpuss'), especially women who've had children.
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The tightest girl I've had was a recent mother, the second tightest a 6'0 tall well used slut.
The loosest was a 5'2, slim 17yo LTR who had only been with one guy before me.
It's all over the place.
RedHeimdall 9y ago
I would agree that you can't necessarily know in advance what you're going to get... but I think I have found in general that the higher a girl's body fat % the looser she is.
ilphae 9y ago
This goes both ways.
A woman that is fit, has more muscle that can grab you. But, if she doesn't activate those muscles during sex you won't feel it. This can lead to a woman being too tight for pleasurable entry if she is if very fit and very nervous.
If a woman is fat, she probably doesn't exercise and won't be able to grip you. However, the added fat will tighten the space around her vaginal walls and you can feel the added pressure from that. Way back in the day, a chubby woman was considered more desirable partly for this reason. - source: check out those museum nudes.
TitsAndWhiskey 9y ago
I always say the same, but it's not often so well received.
OilyB 9y ago
Well, there you go. What would happen if men would start a discourse about female tightness and then start getting mysterious and lying about it: "No baby, depth doesn't matter. Not entirely......."
tallwheel 9y ago
Good post. I've heard women make the claim that they are all exactly the same size too - I guess because they are all able to expand and contract to a certain extent. Not only does the claim defy logic, but it becomes obviously false after most men have fucked more than a few women of various sizes.
Skipdash 9y ago
All you have to do is look at the fucking tampon aisle to know "all vaginas are the same size" is a lie.
Wethequeens13 9y ago
Tampons are different sizes to accommodate different amounts of bleeding, not different vagina sizes. Super is for a heavy flow where regular is for a lighter flow.
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Larry-Man 9y ago
Irrelevant: that wouldn't actually tell you the size is different just that some women bleed more than others.
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InkStainLV 9y ago
I feel like OP is getting his anatomical information from hentai porn and middle school locker rooms...
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RPthrowaway123 9y ago
What I've heard is that the, for lack of a better term, "elasticity" is the same. This has often come as a relief for me because I'm a bit larger so it means that with some work I can fit. Its pretty amazing how many chicks will try to convince you that isn't so.
Any truth to this?
Blaphtome 9y ago
Nope, 38 hear and remember way more faces than names. Elasticity can also vary quite a bit. Ex-wife was always fairly snug, ex-girlfriend before her was like fucking a mud puddle. Would like to say that had nothing to do with which one got married, LOL.
RPthrowaway123 9y ago
Bahahaha nice story! I've honestly found little to no correllation between partners and tightness - it's just one of those things that is variable like damn near everything else on the human body.
__ZEAL__ 9y ago
I have... Some girls you can fuck without work, others you have to spend some time "stretching" for lack of a better descriptor.
It's annoying when you can't just fuck a girl because she's too tight.
antariusz 9y ago
Women have much less variability than men in terms of vagina size, but there are definitely differences.
Trigger warning - webmd
http://www.webmd.com/women/features/vagina-size
Googling for that info brings us to: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3056425/
TL;DR Doctors had to invent a really scientific/obscure/jargon filled method for measuring vaginas so as to not upset women.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3056425/bin/JMedLife-04-75-g004.jpg
RPthrowaway123 9y ago
Fascinating stuff, I appreciate the links. So basically, it looks like vagina size doesn't matter a ton - big dicks will fit (with some effort/foreplay/practice), little ones can still hit the spots that make a woman cum.
antariusz 9y ago
Except that's only measuring length of the vagina... A woman will still feel and experience a bigger dick as opening her up wider, and will still feel when a dick is long enough to touch her cervix. so, no, unfortunately size does matter. For both men and women.
RPthrowaway123 9y ago
Very true, which is why I'm glad I'm well-off in that department ;)
antariusz 9y ago
Congrats, I'm closer to what is just average sized department, so I definitely notice the differences and have a preference for smaller women. A few, but not most women I can actually reach the back, and it's a fucking amazing sensation. Plus the women seem to get off on it more if I can fill them up. And yes, it's easier to do with skinnier girls (less fat getting in the way), as well as shorter girls (smaller in general). But I've been with a 4'11" chick that I couldn't reach the back, and I'm currently with a 5'6" girl that I can.
RPthrowaway123 9y ago
No need for congrats, honestly it's purely genetic and it's not something that I really earned. A gift that I'm very fortunate to have been given, but like height it's not something that can be changed.
Bigger girls definitely have an easier time with me, as do girls with a fuller ass (in doggy this stops me from going all the way in) and such. But honestly it causes problems pretty frequently; there is no such thing as a quickie, anal is a long forgotten dream, really good/toothless blowjobs are rare...it has its perks thanks to the cultural stuff surrounding size and masculinity, but at the cost of some practicality.
Merwebb 9y ago
I recently cut a frienship with my very good friend because i realized she didnt respected me. I used to KNOW she respected me, we were a fucking team (in my eyes) but finally i saw clearly that i was a bag of ice for her ego to soot.
My compadres would have never done what she did.
FrameWalker 9y ago
Given enough time, the last few female friends I've had since pre rp have managed to disappoint me- primarily by the way they use their pussy pass. I keep then all at arms lentgth, fun for socializing once in a while but I don't give them much of my time.
herpes_delivery_man 9y ago
what did she exactly do to you that made you feel disrespected?
Merwebb 9y ago
Story time.
She developed something like a long distant relationship with a somewhat high SMV guy, a good prospect for her wall situation that she allegedly has never even kissed. The guy isnt even in the country.
After bitching about how he was treating her over text she took a pic with me - lets take a pic, gimme a smooch on the cheek - and then asking for my approval to make it her profile pic. Approval denied.
None of the boys would try to use me for a stupid thing like that, blatantly disrespecting me in my face.
Edit: tl:dr tried to use me to make another dude jealous, thus making me a schmuck.
ilphae 9y ago
I don't get it. If she was just a friend that you were not interested in, why would you care? Shouldn't you be happy to help your female friend get a partner?
Seems like you were beta-orbiter but finally realized it. Perhaps it was never a friendship.
Merwebb 9y ago
If she could have just asked it instead of tricking me into it, it would be ok. Some like "dude lets make this fucker blow up on jealousy" i would have gladly helped her.
But no, tricking some dude seemed better to her than asking a friend.
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JohnGalt316 9y ago
nope
you don't dread a friendship. you find new friendship.
the only reason we dread women is because we're stuck with them. that constraint does not apply to friendship.
also, the opportunities for friendship are way greater than the opportunities for relationships.
Merwebb 9y ago
Dude she was part of team merwebb, not a plate. I wont take shit from any dude, why taking it from her?
GC0W30 9y ago
The women on team Merwebb consists or consisted of:
Merwebb's mom
Merwebb's grandmother
Any other players were just visiting the practice facilities to hang out.
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Buchloe 9y ago
That's when you laugh and tell her that's bullshit, and that that's the main reason you got over her and decided to just be friends, because your interests shifted to girls that weren't so... you know. BIG.
wildeep_MacSound 9y ago
I think you let your sexual-geo-political-belief-structure interfere with a much more basic, humanistic, and feral interpretation.
She's got a grand canyon for a pussy. Odds are she knows it, and/or she's had past partners complain about it.
This is also why she's keen to latch onto the "Size matters" conversation and confirm that - yeah...it matters. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . because she's got an enormous pussy that she likes filled.
Women have a great understanding of a simple fact: You can't hate anyone, quite as well as you can hate yourself. The only way she gets that ragey after a shot, is if she's had the monkey on her back for a looooong time.
Proper response after she snapped at you,
". . . Oookkayyyy... easy there tiger. I just have one question? What does this sound remind you of?"
::You then blow downward into an empty beer bottle and make a WHOOOOOOO sound::
zuk1 9y ago
This single statement here pretty much sums up feminism in 2015.
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What? completely ridiculous factless bullshit from the mouth of a drunk hoe?
foldpak111 9y ago
It's like looking at short guys and tall guys then saying both are the same.
EeeeeeevilMan 9y ago
Mini-story time. When I was around college age, I was with this petite little blonde girl and I spent over an hour trying and failing to get my dick inside her. She was plenty wet. It just wouldn't fit. And I'm just a normal sized guy.
I finally had to go limp and stuff that thing in with a couple fingers like a marshmallow.
Any guy that's been with a few women knows vaginas are not the same size.
TitsAndWhiskey 9y ago
First time I couldn't fit I didn't know what to do. And I'm an average guy too. I just rolled over and got a bj.
Falc0n7 9y ago
Yeah I've seen enough porn to know otherwise.
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I've had enough women to know otherwise. They are mostly similar in size and how they feel, but there are definitely outliers. Some women are quite a bit tighter and some create an echo.
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kick6 9y ago
You missed something important: solipsism. When you said "women's vaginas vary in size" what she heard was "I think you have a big vagina." Remember, it's all about her and her vagina.
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
I can't believe I had to read all that but I don't get to read the argument following her comment that 'all vaginas are the same size.' I can't believe you didn't fucking say anything to that. At the very least an audible laugh followed by 'yeah... suuuure' would have sufficed.
IceBunz 9y ago
I threw modern "equality" out the window short after discovering TRP. I believe that everyone should start with equal oppurtunities and take them where they want, but if they decide to be an entitled whore who leeches off of others and falls to the bottom there is no one to blame but them. Either way your father sounds like a real champ and while this may sound stupid but if you haven't apologized to him you really should, he was afterall trying to teach you how to be a man, it can go a long way.
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How about labia size? Innies vs outies? I prefer innies by far, but it seems a man would be stoned to death if he said something like that at my liberal arts college.
EeeeeeevilMan 9y ago
Oh baby, I could rant about this one.
This will get you torn to shreds on the rest of Reddit, but I find beef curtains to be absolutely revolting.
If you're dumb enough to admit to that on Reddit, you'll have a bunch of pissed off women and white knights jumping down your throat and saying how you only feel that way because perfect porn vaginas have skewed your perception.
To that I say, really, bitch? Because I'm almost 40 and the porn I grew up with was in magazines and the women had hairy camouflage covering their vaginas back then so my perceptions didn't get skewed by shit.
I think that's the crux of the problem, too. I mean, think about it. We spent most of human history looking at hairy vaginas. We probably evolved to be drawn to that as a sexual cue.
But society came along and said hairy beavers aren't fashionable, so now we have a whole generation that's been conditioned on hairless women and finds hairy vaginas weird and gross.
Except, as it turns out, a lot of vaginas look just as disgusting when you remove the hairy camouflage and expose the roast beef. Whoops. Women then freak out and claim it's natural and you're just a weirdo for not finding it attractive.
No, bitch, hair on your beaver is natural. If you want to buck thousands of years of human history and shave your twat, don't be surprised when guys don't swoon over the sick Joker lips that were hiding in there and get a little picky about finding a more aesthetically pleasing beaver.
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bluedrygrass 9y ago
Yeah, let's talk about that! Some vulvas looks like tumors or permanent prolapses.
But HOW DARE YOU DISLIKE THE DIVINE VAGOO!
The most disturbing reactions on the subject are coming from fellow males. What? You dislike vulvas whose inner labias are protruding outside and looks like a quarter pound of minced meat? Like you were a criminal for only even disliking an aspect of the most precious and feminine part of the superior female body (tm).
rebuildingMyself 9y ago
Apparently having any preference in your women is shitlordy nowadays
RedBigMan 9y ago
Unless you are (or claim to be as many MGTOW types may be prone to doing for social benefits) gay.
oldredder 9y ago
You got it. Not one woman has accepted this when I say it unless she's hot enough to qualify - then she has no problem with it at all.
I_Love_To_Antagonize 9y ago
If there's one thing I've learned from the internet it's this: you don't get to choose your sexuality and whatever you happen to be attracted to is perfectly normal and nothing to be ashamed of - unless you're a heterosexual man attracted to slim women with small, cute vaginas who aren't whores. Then you deserve to die because you're a cisgendered heteronormative shitlord.
ilphae 9y ago
Hahah, cheers bro. I owe you a beer.
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I_Love_To_Antagonize 9y ago
Thanks for the silver! Also, I appreciate the username.
thedude122487 9y ago
Not me. I love me some giant outie labia. They look more aroused that way
TheThingsIThink 9y ago
The outtie I had was more odiferous than the innies
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Not sure if this is positive or negative
robonubbins 9y ago
My experience has been the opposite. Probably leans more towards hygiene than equipment.
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SilentForTooLong 9y ago
This is literally my worst fear when sleeping with a woman. I have a STRONG preference for innies. But it's not like you can ask about that before you actually have sex, so fucked up.
SuperMeatBoi 9y ago
Check for a bulge in their jeans.
Edit: Reddit is terrible at jokes.
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
Labia aren't THAT big man, damn.
garlicextract 9y ago
He's talking about girls with outies not ladyboys
NakorZ 9y ago
Imagine how the reaction if a man dared to walk out on a women when they got to the bedroom and he found himself not liking the look of her junk. The feminists would start a media campaign.
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
There's a documentary about how women are getting their labia cut off to be more desirable, and of course it's like very against the practice hah. But at least it gave a semi-open view of it, and they mostly just ask women why they do it. I hope it become much trendier. It would be amazing if every woman had innie-labia. Though I would never advocate doing it to children or anything, and I am sure other people have different tastes. Still, the documentary is a good watch actually for a lot of BP men. There's a moment when one of the women is like, "I just thought it was be a nice thing for the men in my life if I had smaller labia, so I got the surgery." That moment really made me realize how intensely women desire to please men. Would a man ever think to himself in an abstract way, "I bet women would really like it if I surgically removed part of my body, I'll go do that!" ?
foldpak111 9y ago
Reverse the genders and it's comedy.
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foldpak111 9y ago
He said arbys sandwich lol you wrong for that
[deleted] 9y ago
I wish I had anyone in my life who could at least try to tell me I'm wrong and my views on men and women are mysoginistic. I want some fucking conflict!
Unfortunately I live in Russia.
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Is Russia pretty red pilled? How would you compare Russian women in general to what you hear about American women?
[deleted] 9y ago
I listen to stories about US social issues and feel bad. It's very sad seeing one of the greatest countries in the world suffer from liberal brain cancer so much.
In my county parts of TRP knowledge are common knowledge. My father, a huge womanizer, told me basically everything you guys are talking here about. My mother, while being a golden example of AWALT and women's manipulative nature, confirms everything written here about women, when I talk to her about it.
Of course there are still a lot of beta suckers with oneitis orbiting their "loved ones", that's normal. But at least we don't have that PC bullshit enforced so much. It's kinda okay to have plain racist, sexist and shitlordy views on society here. Being shamed because you don't like ugly fat landwhales? Lol fucking what? In my country the opposite applies, a man would be laughed at if he fucked a fat chick.
Women are kinda the same, because AWALT. Though I feel like they're more oriented on family values right from their teens, not after hitting the wall. Whore culture is much less developed here (in cities other than Moscow and St. Petersburg).
TitsAndWhiskey 9y ago
Never thought I would say this if you asked me 25 years ago, but Russia sounds like a great place to live.
truchisoft 9y ago
Same in Argentina, not as extreme as Russia though.
But the basis for The Red Pill still apply, tough we are still not as PC as the USA.
foldpak111 9y ago
I'd love to live there, but learning another language is beyond me
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Our country has its problems. People completely zombified by propaganda, low quality of life, corrupt government, unjust courts, etc. And yeah, Russian isn't the easiest language to learn.
IceBunz 9y ago
Man I kinda want to move back to Russia maybe in 10 years or so after education etc in Sweden, when I'm 26, but me and my familys life there was like a fucking 3rd world country so I still have a very love and hate perspective on Russia, since I'm obviously proud as fucking coming from such a straightforward traditional redpilled country.
KenuR 9y ago
Russia is a shithole of a country right now, and I'd advice anyone to stay well away. It's in no way a "straightforward traditional redpilled country", but a mixed bag. The amount of white knighting surpasses even the shit that's happening in America. Just look at anything related to the 8th of March.
IceBunz 9y ago
I did move out cause it's a shithole, but you can't argue that the average Russian guy is the same as an average guy in Sweden (beta). Shit conditions makes people complain less about shit that doesn't matter (feminism).
KenuR 9y ago
The average Russian guy is a low life drunk. The fact that they're a bit more redpill doesn't warrant moving back there imo.
IceBunz 9y ago
I guess, but if I'm marrying I'm going to run as far away as I can from western women.
KenuR 9y ago
You can easily find a Russian woman and move to a nicer country if you want to marry.
rlh1271 9y ago
Ha! Great read. Someone must've told her she was a little loose.
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JohnGalt316 9y ago
http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/21/6/1618.full
There are differences in vaginal dimensions among women. The length of the vagina (from external cervical os to introitus) ranged from approximately 4.1–9.5 cm, a greater than 100% difference from the shortest to the longest length.
Surprisingly, parity had little association with the overall surface contact and length of the vagina.
Our measurements of the width of the vagina are similar to those reported, which range from 23.9 to 64.5 mm.
herpes_delivery_man 9y ago
Women know that the most important asset they have is their physical attractiveness. That's why they want to control what is considered beautiful and what is not.
When men control the standards of female beauty, they are left with no power at all. This, they fear greatly.
cleanBoi 9y ago
I dunno why, but I pictured you as a jedi while reading this.
Halfjor 9y ago
As much as they try, they will never be able to change the basic standards of female beauty. You cannot negotiate desire. I don't want a fit girl with a pretty face because of what "society has told me", I want it because of my instincts, the testosterone pumping through my body, and my dick and balls.
Unless they can find a way to alter the biological characteristics that have been present in men for millennia, I'm not going to find a fat chick with cropped neon blue hair attractive.
Tqbfjotlds 9y ago
But women can destroy a young man's self esteem through shaming tactics to make them think that they cannot do better. It is literally emotional manipulation to make women's prospects better.
ThisIsMyFloor 9y ago
Attractiveness is very culturally influenced even if you can't see it or not. What has been considered attractive has changed a lot since the dawn of man.
monkdick 9y ago
I wouldn't say a lot has changed other than long ago in a time of higher infant mortality rates and starvation we were instinctually attracted to plumper women. Other than that I'd say we are all still attracted to nice tits, ass, and a symmetrical face. Even though fashion changes, not much else has or can change about men and women and why we want to bed them.
ThisIsMyFloor 9y ago
Things like skin-tone and weight of women have changed. Before, being pale was seen as the most attractive, now it's tanned. Before heavy women were seen as more attractive.
It all comes down to portraying money and power. If it's harder to be fit and tanned then that will be attractive.
Hexthorne 9y ago
Don't start giving them any ideas now - bioengineering is coming along nice, I wouldn't want to have it go that route.
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allfunkedout 9y ago
links to source on this please?
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RedBigMan 9y ago
Actually standards of feminine beauty have changed over the years. In the 1700 or something women who were what we consider 'chubby' or 'fat' were actually considered beautiful.
Basically what men consider attractive is relative to what is available out there. Until recently fat kids and adults were considered desirable in China but then too many people were getting fat now thin is in.
In the west we're fed a diet of slim sometimes anorexic models and porn with like 'twiggy' style bodies or you know women with so much plastic she'd rival a barbie doll.. it's all attempts to redirect the sex drives of the average male of society... if the average male finds a land whale attractive then that will become the standard of beauty in that culture and in the west there are no shortage of land whales... Now the abundance of land whales counterintuitively also increases the desirability of less common body types like thin and fit women so social engineering that feminists are trying to do is just going to backfire hard.
AnotherLostCause 9y ago
Were they really beautiful because they were fat or were they fat for the same reason their husbands could pay a painter to paint them?
Halfjor 9y ago
I agree with you on the historical variation of beauty standards. Slightly chubby women were admired because it was a sign of wealth. Pale skin was a giveaway that you were higher born and didn't spend time doing physical labor under the sun. I probably should have edited in a little disclaimer.
I still think the core of feminine attractiveness is time tested and universal. Certain "accessory" styles will always come and go. Geishas were considered very attractive and they look freaky as hell to me in 2015. Despite that, if you sent a naked Emily Ratajkowski 2000 years back into Julius Caesar's bedroom his dick would be hard enough to cut diamonds within a minute. There will always be styles and popular looks that change and relate to culture during the time period. Our dicks will still answer to the basic aspects of feminine beauty though.
__ZEAL__ 9y ago
Fat people were revered because it was an indication of wealth and being able to be a glutton. Not because of physical standards. Only due to social standards.
Now we realize how utterly unhealthy it is, and it's gone back to the way things should be. Fat is revered no longer.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
I've fucked rail thin 95lb 5'7 chicks with small tits, and 250lb big girls and everything in between. Give me a b cup pair of tits on a 5'5" girl that is 110-120lbs and I'll fuck her multiple times a day. Any race, any hair or eye color, but thin like that. Even when I'm not doing her doggy, her face doesn't interest me.
Kill_Your_Ego 9y ago
Give me 5' 8" and 120lbs please.
I mean it's so ridiculously easy to be a highly attractive woman. Just get your ass thin and bam men will be slobbering over your skank ass. The fact that women don't understand this still boggles my mind.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
Around here it's as easy as be thin. You can have a fucked up face, but a nice ass will go a damn long way for them.
Bear10 9y ago
I'll agree that a woman with those proportions would keep me in my house for a few days straight, but saying it's "ridiculously easy" to be extremely attractive for any gender is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, man. And basically everyone that doesn't live in a third world country knows what makes people attractive, but that doesn't make it any easier to attain.
Honestly, some people are just destined to be butt-ugly, man or woman
destraht 9y ago
Why not? Is kissing a major blue pill move?
BlackHeart89 9y ago
Lol Nah. Dude is just saying he doesn't care much.
I'm the same way to a certain extent. The better the body, the less attractive the face can be. If her personality is good, then she can be a 6 in the face and I'll still kiss her. Just so long as her body is an 8+...
Otherwise, they just get the rail. I find it hard to even run game on a chick who isn't at least a 7.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
No, I'm not keeping her. I have my fun, enjoy her company, then release her back to the wild.
__ZEAL__ 9y ago
Fat people were revered because it was an indication of wealth and being able to be a glutton. Not because of physical standards. Only due to social standards.
Now we realize how utterly unhealthy it is, and it's gone back to the way things should be. Fat is revered no longer.
emily_muhdickenson 9y ago
Do you really believe that men thought fat women were attractive because their fat made us perceive them to be wealthy?
Hoodwink 9y ago
They were attractive because of extreme wealth disparity in those societies. Men would gladly fuck fatties not to have a real possibility of starving to death. However, it can also be explained because artists had to massage the upper-castes egos and they were fat so they made fat look attractive.
Artists generally have had a problem throughout history telling what their buyers liked (even post-posthumously as the rich often are the ones buying an artists paintings and such after). Art/poetry/writing is one of the ways we judge what a 'culture' values - it's fraught with problems.
That's why feminists believe that attraction changes over time. The upper class generally changes over time and the art reflects their tastes.
__ZEAL__ 9y ago
Yes, did you not learn that in history class?
emily_muhdickenson 9y ago
If we follow what is taught in school we would also believe that race and gender aren't real. I don't believe everything we are taught and men being attracted to women based on their perceived wealth seems a little far fetched to me.
__ZEAL__ 9y ago
Two things. One, you're wrong. It's well documented.
Two, it's no different than today. Looking for a mate that fits within your standards. Back then it was that you weren't poor, to be fat. That's all it is, end of story.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
Megan Trainor is trying.
Standards for female beauty have differed throughout the ages... and I bet ever guy previously has also believed that it was because of his instincts that he liked the current norm as much as everyone else.
__ZEAL__ 9y ago
Yeah due to social constructs, not inherent beauty. Fat men and women were the ones with enough money to be gluttons, that's the only reason.
Sippin_that_Haterade 9y ago
In unrelated news, Megan Trainor for some reason mysteriously dropped a whole bunch of weight shortly after "all about the base" blew up. I guess she's more about the treble than we thought.
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nessfalco 9y ago
They haven't differed as much as some would have you believe. People point to renaissance portraits of fatties and say "fat women were considered beautiful" as if they were divinely inspired and not commissioned by the wealthy.
Edit: suffered to differed cause auto correct.
DrXaos 9y ago
There weren't many of them, just one important artist, Peter Paul Rubens, who liked that, and who had a very prolific studio.
Compare to say Botticelli or Titian.
Consider also the more appropriate comparison, sculpture. Clearly standards for male ideal physique are identical to today. Michelangelo (who was gay) sculpted as attractive men as one can get without steroids. Now take Bernini: all very attractive women with 0.7 waist to hip ratio, and much less fat than the typical American or British today.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
Yeah, they haven't suffered as much as a regular diet and gym session, otherwise that's what they'd do.
And this is a uniquely female problem: they are seduced into victimhood, attention and other short termism, supported by the media and their friends and most corners of society. Why diet and exercise for six months when you can simple say that big is beautiful and blame men for not finding you attractive?
While I wish men had a lot more support and women could often do with less, being male does help you suck it up and get with the program sometimes. Long Live TRP.
LC2775 9y ago
No they didn't. Beauty standatds for artists have indeed changed throught the ages. But for most men we always liked nice boobs and nice as because we are programmed to like it...
truchisoft 9y ago
Do you have any proof of this? Just curious
Edit: Downvotes for asking for proof? silly people, check the rest of the thread, it gets really interesting.
HomunculusEmeritus 9y ago
Here's the abstract from the study. Essentially the hourglass figure bypasses interpretation by the male brain and goes directly to its reward center.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0009042
Think about that.
truchisoft 9y ago
This might explain why some fatties are "sexy", that is because they maintain their hourglass figure but with extra mass...
HomunculusEmeritus 9y ago
You know, that's very interesting. I'd never put that together with this.
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Sir_Shitlord_focker 9y ago
That's wrong based on empirical historical evidence, apparently there is a wide range of healthy physical shapes we are capable of considering fit for breeding and which we find most sexy is largely a matter of advertising.
If you look a paintings of Aphrodite the Goddess of desire, back in the days (linkhttp://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/127817/1/Aphrodite.jpg) they you notice what is beautiful today would look ugly back then.
Also, in rural India, a skinny guy can't get laid, you need fat to look right, and in (most of) Asia, white skin is beautiful and tans are to be avoided at all costs....
Beauty is quite literally in the eye of the beholder.
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epUser 9y ago
I don't get it, that Aphrodite is very, very fuckable by today's standards.
Just because most models today are skinny doesn't mean that's what men find attractive.
Sir_Shitlord_focker 9y ago
She has kind of a big ass, I wouldn't tap that.
frazzleddd 9y ago
There are some traits that are generally seen as highly attractive regardless of time period. Long hair is a sign of fertility. Larger asses for child rearing (the fat there plays a role in fetus intelligence development), a standard .7 (something like that) of hip to waist ratio is seen as ideal and so on. Facial symmetry as well. These are all from the top of my head and pretty scattered.
Culture plays a role but good genetics are good genetics and everyone wants a piece.
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Sir_Shitlord_focker 9y ago
The point wasn't that he can't be attracted to a hot black girl, it was that a completely arbitrary thing can be picked and made "sexy" or "ugly" by society.
karmasutur3 9y ago
noop. Cause, biology.
Yes, there is variation.
The 'it's all cultural argument' is another feminist 'all vaginas are the same size' argument.
TLDR: horseshit.
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Sir_Shitlord_focker 9y ago
On the all vaginas are the same I would have replied what about younger women ? Is their vagina the same from birth to death ?
karmasutur3 9y ago
You're not getting it.
Your cultural argument is the same as the all vaginas are the same argument.
They are both wrong at best, and indoctrinated feminist party bullshit at worst.
Sir_Shitlord_focker 9y ago
To a point it's genetics, but there has to be some cultural influence too, look at food for example, sure your culture dictates if you like pasta or sushi (or both) but no one would eat raw salad and find it delicious right? So there's SOME genetic and SOME social influence. I don't think it's all social and I've said as much "a wide range of physical shapes"
karmasutur3 9y ago
Wtf are you doing in this sub? Why am I even asking.....another less-than-a-month-old account spouting blue pill bullshit.
If you're not a SRS troll, just do yourself a favor, and read the sidebar and shut up for a few months.
Sir_Shitlord_focker 9y ago
I'm definitely not an SRS or any other kind of troll, I love this sub and I've read it for a while now. I also have my own views on a lot of subjects and they are not always perfectly in line with the views of other people on this sub. That shouldn't preclude me from participating I believe. We are after all still searching of a definitive theory of attraction despite the great strides that have been made thanks to the members of this sub. As for "all vags are the same" my point was that this is simply ridicule if simply because of age differences between women, not to mention other anatomical differences.
karmasutur3 9y ago
Ok, I'll bite. Differing viewpoints are great. New people are good too.
But this is one of the only male spaces I know of. One of the things that means is I'm going to be brutally honest, and aggressive about my opinion here - because I expect you to be a man, and to be able to handle that.
So here goes.
Your (very short) comment history is just full of comments like:
Allright, so lets play devil's advocate, and instead of saying you're a fucking srs troll, i'll pretend for a moment you're young/new/super-plugged-in.
For someone raised in eastern europe from what you say, you're more blue pill than most guys in liberal american cities like Los angeles.
And it's pretty painfully clear to me you haven't bothered to read the first thing about TRP, so let me say it again:
Shut the fuck up, lurk, read, and read the sidebar again. You've got your head so far up your own ass all you can do is think (and say) shit.
Don't agree? Let me break down your previous comments.
Women want sex tons. They want sex before they are married, they want it after. But their biological imperative dictates they want it from a certain type of man. Since you have never been that kind of guy, what is sometimes referred to as a 'top 20%' guy, you think they don't.
In other words, you're blaming them (women) for a failing in yourself. Blue pill. You need to go about improving yourself, and raise your SMV - read the sidebar to get started.
No, this was in reference to that big viral relationships post, and he was not an ass, he had every right to be furious if I remember correctly. Finding out your wife is a slut should be upsetting. I feel for that guy, but this comment shows that you really didn't understand that situation.
Ahhh, the good old feminist 'white men are the devil' argument. Well, it's not even remotely true. All through history, from the Mongols in the 1200's, to the Japanese in WW2, to Pol Pot in cambodia and the nigerian and rwandan civil wars, it's clear that white dudes have no monopoly on acting like shitbags.
The festival of carnage in ww1 and ww2 was caused by increased technology, not because 'white' men had anything to do with it.
So it's not at all understandable to blame white men, unless you're a feminist shill.
Noop. First wave feminism wasn't at all about equality, but nice of you believe what feminists say without researching it.
Yeah, women really built society . /s. More feminist horseshit-orwellian-doublespeak.
As I said, any man in the upper 20% of SMV anywhere in the world would crack up at this.
You have a lot of feminist arguments, lots of plugged-in teachings from the school of misandry going on in that head of yours.
That, combined with the 23 day old account, screams troll to me, but again, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Lets say you are being genuine. In that case, you should start swallowing the pill. You have to empty your mind, get rid of all these beliefs that are based on lies and manipulations. It's time to read and question it and read some more.
You can't put anything in a full cup. And from what I can tell, you're not getting it at all. So if I were you, I would be looking to grab hold of a little humility and shut the fuck up and read the sidebar.
Then after you're done, go read it again.
TheBossOfItAll 9y ago
It had nothing to do with the fact,that you said nothing idiotic.Nothing at all;were you a handsome and tall (not an under 6'3'' manlet) Chad,and gave her the alpha stare,not only would she agree with you,but she would do so,while she was on her knees sucking you off!
LastRevision 9y ago
Thad. It's THAD, thank you very much.
Seriously, though, you blue pillers don't even read the fucking posts you try to trash... the point is that I wasn't alpha with her AT ALL, and she treated me accordingly.
TheBossOfItAll 9y ago
Yeah,and that was not point.My point,which has gone over your pinhead (it's the evidence,sorry!),is that she didn't treat you with disrespect not because you didn't treat her like an alpha male,it was because what you said was stupid.Do you know why?Do you want me to femsplain to you?(Hint:0,5 inches) And even if you said it in alfalfa way,what do you think would have happened?You idiots never clarify that part.I predict,that you wouldn't even have a friendship and would just be two stragers.
moodyprism 9y ago
I find it fascinating really. The need for women to control every single opinion about sexuality a man may have. The feminine imperative really is a thing even though it reeks of conspiracy theory from afar. That's why women are terrified of male spaces. Guys getting together and comparing notes and discussing sexuality themselves. It takes the power of information control out of their hands. Hence one of the many reasons for TRP hate. This world we have all found ourselves in sure is bizarre.
BowlOfCandy 9y ago
See: Wife intervening on a married man's attempt to hangout with non-married male friends.
oldredder 9y ago
A male space is one where gaslighting by women is rejected immediately and constantly. Gaslighting is the way, lying constantly until it's treated as truth, women control society.
TitsAndWhiskey 9y ago
I always found it supremely ironic that gaslighting is widely considered something that men do to women far more than the other way around. My first accidental brush with understanding the nature of women was when my ex wife accused me of being abusive and I was directed to a site, written by a woman, about how men mentally abuse women.
As I read it, point by point, the light started to come on. Holy shit. This isn't what I do to her. This is what SHE does to ME. It's 100% projection.
beerthroway 9y ago
A lot of our current reality reminds me of Orwell's 1984. The thought control, forced behavior modification (especially in boys), information censorship via "political correctness", so many connections.
And if it continues down that path I don't like the end result. I don't think it would come to torturing anyone that doesn't adhere to feminism like in 1984, but the extreme end of literally not being able to choose your own actions as a man, being forced into a career solely based on aptitude "for the greater good of the society."
killcat 9y ago
Yup I'm not sure if feminists or SJW's are worse for this, but I know of a number of forums where any mention of "non PC subjects" (e.g. like the rape culture myth) results in permabans.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
My biggest downvoted comments on reddit are calling out how dissent is silenced by so called "open minded equality" types. You're not allowed to disagree.
oldredder 9y ago
They're going to get a rude surprise when society shifts and perma-bans them. Blogs, posters, printed articles and more, right to the trash.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
You're not married, are you?
beerthroway 9y ago
Haha funny point, and I have been married. I see what you're getting at. In fact I was married to a BPD chick, and yes, that absolutely was torture if I didn't adhere to every single one of her feminist thoughts. At least psychological torture.
Though I'm thankful for that experience because I've been able to pump and dump girls more easily when they show those attributes. It was sort of a pre-RP pill.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
Emotional torture and sometimes physical. Women are just as physically abusive as men. Men know they face financial and social repercussions for leaving a failing abusive marriage and feel compelled to stay.
And we are NOT allowed to complain about it.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
And after she finally leaves, you're the abusive controlling asshole thatbcheated, she was completely innocent and you forced hervto fuck all those guys. Then after the corts have their way with you, you're living in a van down by the river, she gets the income you earn that isn't swallowed by taxes, you get called bitter.
It's not a mistake i plan to make again, and I warn every man I meet who is contemplating making that mistake. In ten years when they have their own van by the river, maybe they will remember what I said. Most of them keep doing it though.
Adeus_Ayrton 9y ago
One can only save a willing mind...
Philhelm 9y ago
I can confirm with 100% certainty that all vaginas are not the same.
FLFTW16 9y ago
In my previous life as a blue pill "men and women can be friends" kind of bloke, I was intrigued and interested in what women thought about these topics. No more, of course. If the topic ever comes up they immediately get shut down. I am not interested in their opinions because they are almost always full of self-deception and power-talk shaming language. It's never based on objective reality.
When these topics come up I set the tone of the conversation and women are more than happy to agree because women will agree with anyone who has the balls to set the tone of the conversation. They are rarely prepared to have an outright argument about something they know deep down is a lie.
Cultural Marxism is a lie. The fact she had an emotional reaction to the 'vagina size' topic just shows that some part of her knows that she is full of ideological bullshit. Any guy who has fucked girls of different races, sizes, and sexual experience levels knows that the vag can be small and tight, or loose and voluminous, and everything in between. She no doubt has fucked enough guys to earn herself a stretched out vag and is fucking emotional about it. Wouldn't you be, if you were a woman? She has outed herself as a used up slut. A chick with a zero or low partner count would have the view that vaginas can get "used up" with overuse, because this establishes her value as a low-N count girl.
GC0W30 9y ago
The bizarre part for me was when I fucked a fat 6 footer with a pussy that was, bizarrely, the tighest twat I've ever been in.
She was very wet, too, which makes this kind of bizarre.
Pretty sure it wasn't a tranny based on the shape of her body fat....
RedBigMan 9y ago
Like throwing a hotdog down a hallway!
Tqbfjotlds 9y ago
This is an interesting article I just came across today. 22 Myths that Women Teach Young Men in Order to Chauvinistically Exploit the Next Generation
Women are largely responsible for raising boys and girls and they teach boys to be submissive while they teach girls to be manipulative. The end goal is to enslave the boys as long as they can for their benefit.
redpillbanana 9y ago
Pretty soon they'll be claiming that all breasts are the same size, too.
I've found that it's better to make them angry and let them "dispose" you. It saves time for everyone.
bluedrygrass 9y ago
It's already socially forbidden to express preference toward big breasts.
It's discriminating or something, and makes snowflakes feel inadequate while they're bitching about their boyfriend's sizes.
I've already seen multiple posts from beta white knights here on reddit stating that they prefer small breasts or that "titties are titties, they're all good, don't feel bad for your A size!", racking up thousands of upvotes and gold.
foldpak111 9y ago
As shallow as women are I give the same treatment. If you, aren't a c you aren't good enough
Tricky_Dick_ 9y ago
How is it beta to be okay with smaller breasts?
Granted, all the women I have been with have been C cup and larger, but it's just not really a big deal for me.
ilphae 9y ago
I agree dude. I like a woman with a firm-well shaped A or B. The biggest problem is that a small-chested woman is so damn insecure it often sours her personality. A woman with a nice rack is somehow always a pleasure to be around.
FuckyouAvast 9y ago
Really? All the women have been C or larger? Either you're extremely selective or haven't been with that many women.
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BluepillProfessor 9y ago
Powerful enlightenment in that last sentence. The reciprocal is an even deeper truth about attraction- they didn't want to fuck you BECAUSE they didn't respect you.
Some real basic stuff right there would have been Agree and Amplify that response. All vaginas are the same size. Shit that is a lifetime of jokes right there. It was like she was slow pitching it to you.
Goldfulgore 9y ago
Now there's no excuse for not double fisting.
foldpak111 9y ago
Oh god this is perfect. Pull up a video of Janice Griffith taking a 10 inch dong and ask why most girls can't do this. Prepare for that hamster though
TekkomanKingz 9y ago
Gen X'ers were sold the falsest bill of goods on Women, ever.
Transmigratory 9y ago
Girls saying all vaginas are the same size is like a guy saying his size is good enough for all women.
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ZackCross 9y ago
Quick question, why do you bother to give this dumb bitch any attention?
If claiming all vaginas are the same size isn't a red flag, and all those years you spend dealing to her bullshit with little in return aren't enough red flags for you to stop associating with this bitch, what reason do you have to keep this "friendship" going?
LastRevision 9y ago
The bulk of this story takes place in 2005, FYI.
ZackCross 9y ago
Well I hope you've long moved on from her after a night of hatefucking her brains out.
FrameWalker 9y ago
Some women are tighter or looser but length is close
TitsAndWhiskey 9y ago
Idk about the length thing...
oldredder 9y ago
it's not. Some women are much deeper than others and the size changes immediately with sexual arousal just like a penis gets longer and harder.
This is a thing any gynecologist can confirm.
Redrog1 9y ago
That's not my experience. I don't know of any scientific study, but I've found longer and shorter girls
LastRevision 9y ago
I have a fairly average penis; girls I've fucked who were taller (5'7" - 5'11") were a pretty normal fit- girls I've fucked who were shorter (5' - 5'5") made me feel like a fucking porn star.
And this is discounting the miles a girl is putting on her pussy anyway... Girls with fewer partners and fewer fucks are gonna be tighter- a fact that makes silly sex positive girls with their high-mileage cunts scoff to death.
MightyTaint 9y ago
I've had sex with two women who have given vaginal birth. They tie for the tightest pussy I've ever fucked. All the rest had not given birth. I wonder if the mother's made an effort to do kegals or something, because the experiences were unexpected.
vandaalen 9y ago
No. That's a myth. I've fucked prostitutes which were tight as hell.
redpillmason 9y ago
Also fat chicks make you feel tiny. Thin waifs make you feel like king kong.
oldredder 9y ago
That's not a fact - girls with 30 partners can be just as tight as girls with 5.
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bluedrygrass 9y ago
This argument is always used whenever the "salami in a hallway" argument rises up, but it's so obviously out of context.
Females must undergo 9 months of biological revolutions to prepare for that. Hormones loosens up the vagina's walls, and very strong spasms makes the transition possible againts the woman's will and pain.
Most women cannot even do that without being drugged up like a camel, directly in the fucking spine.
Even in recent past times, child brith was one of the highest death causes for women. Today it's even worse, slim females aren't fit to give birth, or have defective hips, and would simply die without C-sections.
The argument "vaginas can fit a baby" is ridicolous and stupid. Try showing up a 9 pounds object in a random female. See how well her body can take it.
They even have to stitch up the vagina's walls after the childbirth, to help it recover a shadow of its former shape.
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TheEagleEyedTiger 9y ago
It was homo the second you pressed save bro.
oldredder 9y ago
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TheEagleEyedTiger 9y ago
Of course not! Peoples sexual preferences are nobody's business but their own!
4delicioustreats 9y ago
fairly average hints at 4.7-6.3" http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/271647.php
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JimHarding 9y ago
Everyone wants to say they are huge
yougotshitonyourass 9y ago
It's because they don't know "How to measure it"
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thibit 9y ago
For what it's worth, this is a good comparison tool: http://howlongismyschlong.com/
Something to keep in mind is that angle can be very deceiving as well.
ChanManIIX 9y ago
In person, yes; this makes sense logically, people lie.
On a pseudo-nonymous forum you'll find a more accurate estimation e.g. the above.
You can Google it easy enough.
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NightGod 9y ago
That's the high end of average.
ChanManIIX 9y ago
Yes. Porn is basically cuck imo.
Go nofap for a week and no porn for a month after (use your imagination).
What have you got to lose.
oldredder 9y ago
You can lose your sex drive for a longer duration.
But for a week you'll only lose your concentration on everything that's not sex.
For me the blood loss knocks me out from non-stop erections.
And no, porn is not cuck. There's plenty of porn that's all-girls or only 1 girl fingering herself on camera.
LimboLoves 9y ago
If so, that's depressing. I never ask or look at other men's dicks so I have no idea. I do know that braziers CEO said finding male talent is hard because of the world lacks guys with bigger dicks. I consider myself average.
oldredder 9y ago
The world lacks slim women with big tits too. There's surgery for both. The porn industry has the majority of men & women who get surgery. For the porn star men they can install a pump to get hard fast too.
oldredder 9y ago
Too much porn. Same as lots of cute girls who are fit have A size tits not D.
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oldredder 9y ago
well, it's a little small then but whatever, still average. At 7 inches hard I can get both hands around mine with a little more length to go. Meh. Women I fucked never complained it is small. No woman's ever turned away from me and said "mm, no, that's too small". It's a lot smaller when I'm not hard. When I was at a nude beach, since it's rude to have a damn boner every second of the day, I guess some women may have assumed I had a small dick for good but really, I don't care. I don't want to get an erection all day (I lived there, it is weeks I was there, so I can't do this) just to prove I have a big dick.
sonickid101 9y ago
Shredding the 3"x5" card of allowable opinion
TwoThirteen 9y ago
Women still won't respect you if you -do not correct them-. Why didn't you stop her dead in her tracks, and tell her that you've first handedly experienced different sized vaginas? Even if you hadn't, and you used your brain to rationalize the solid fact that vaginas are of differing sizes, you could have bullshitted your way through it and changed her opinion/outlook, she's your friend after all; let her be aware of her own reeky bullshit man. If anything a women says, goes, they catch onto you, then send you straight to beta.
Zanford 9y ago
Women definitely have diff size vaginas. Width AND depth. It's very easy to feel when fucking them. Asians tend to be smaller than whites too.
illwill203 9y ago
I'm just one man, but I have had plenty of every race and even though it's subjective I will do my best to put down the "asians are tightest" myth. It's hands down bullshit.
BlaiseDB 9y ago
I think part of it is the notch count. CBC (Canadian Born Chinese) are just as slutty as the white girls. Here in China the girls I've been with didn't have a notch count more than 3 or 4.
MorePancakes 9y ago
HOW DARE YOU CALL JACK DANIELS A CHEAP WHISKEY!
That is a working mans whiskey! Cheap enough you can afford to drink it everyday, good enough that you want to.
Cheap whiskey is a tier below :)
Peace_M 9y ago
Preach Brother, It is very true, I can absolutely relate. I had a similar experience, Female friends are only there to seek your attention, if you did not give it to them they get angry and freak out. I had this girl-friend and we were on a road trip.we were joking around and she suggested that he will get wasted and get naked, my answer was "No Don't do that, we don't want that to happen" what I was thinking that because she had a boyfriend, and that dude is my friend too, I didn't want to disrespect him. She JUST Freaked out and got super angry and moody the rest of the trip. Because I showed no interest in her.
OblongShlong 9y ago
This
housustaja 9y ago
Where the hell are references to studies related to your theses? This story of yours is
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