This is my experience—take it or leave it as you will.
In my experience, dating a 20 year old woman is far easier now that I’m 49 than when I was 22. It’s also more rewarding for both parties.
Most younger women think they won’t like an older guy, let alone want to date one, much less sleep with one—but the funny thing is, once a young woman gets in a relationship with an older guy, she rarely goes back to dating “age appropriate” boys.
There are some young women who instinctively like older guys. But they don’t like them because they have daddy issues. They like them because when you get into middle-age, you are confident, in control of your environment, and you have a few things settled.
One, if you have half a brain, you're probably financially secure. If you are, then financial security oozes out of your pores in a way that's hard to miss if you're looking for it. And younger women—working shitty jobs, saddled with student debt—are looking for it.
Two, you’re confident around a hot young woman. If you've lived a life, you have come across a lot of attractive women before. So a young hottie now doesn't faze you, or even register, quite frankly—which is why young hot women are not only surprised out of their comfort zone by an older guy not giving them that much attention because of their looks, these young women will actually go out of their way to impress that older guy who is more-or-less ignoring her. That’s been my experience at any rate.
Three, you don’t pedestalize any woman ever, and any shit she pulls, you’ll likely either ignore it, or smirk openly to her face—or leave her. And the things of it is, a younger woman will instinctively know that her older bf will leave her if she gets out of line.
Apart from having your money, your status, and your mind settled, you also have an additional advantage: Your competition. If you’re an older guy, your competition for these young women—i.e., younger guys—are actively working in your favor.
One, younger guys are clingy, needy, whiny, insecure—all qualities which younger women despise. All qualities which an older guy either won’t have, or have the self-discipline to quell.
Two, younger guys are broke, so they can’t easily show a girl a good time. Not so older guys.
Also, older guys are smarter about dropping their money: It’s all about ROI. For instances, a girl I was seeing in March (21, HB9), mentioned she’d forgotten her make-up bag when she came to visit me. The next day, without a word, I took her to Selfridge’s and told her (with deliberate, casual un-fussiness) to get whatever she needed that would make her happy, no limits. All in, I let her spend £300 on makeup, leaving her ecstatic—and was rewarded with mind blowing sex over the course of the next week. A young guy wouldn’t have wanted to spend that money on something that he couldn’t enjoy as well. But to me, a few hundred pounds was more than worth it to see the ecstatic look of surprise and joy when I told her she could get whatever she wanted.
Which leads me to the next point.
Three, younger guys are boring to younger women, at least when compared to older guys. Younger guys’ dramas are small-bore, their conversation is boring and geeky, and often as not trying to show off how smart they are. Whereas an older guy has no need to show off how smart he is—his very life and financial stability is a testament to his brains and acumen.
But most of all, younger guys are boring to younger women because younger guys think younger women want to engage intellectually—whereas an older guy knows that what young women want is to feel emotions. That impromptu shopping spree I mentioned? It was the surprise of it, as well as getting all the goodies that made the girl feel fantastic. Young women want emotions, strong emotions. They want to get drunk on the stuff. They want stories that are funny or awe-inspiring, they want to go places where they feel excitement or wonder, they want to see beautiful things, and have to dress up fancy to go to a nice party. They do not want to sit around over a $1 beer at the Olive Garden, talking about a fucking superhero movie, and being told why Iron Man 3 is the best of all the Iron Man movies or whatever.
Furthermore, young guys are constantly saying, “Some day I’ll do this,” or else, “When X happens, I’ll do that.” In other words, they’re waiting for their lives to start. They don’t have the ability to break out of their current rut or routine. Not so an older guy, whose life is by this time on cruise control. Next week I’m taking my current gf (24, 5’11”, 100-to-110lbs. maybe?) to Paris for a few days. Why? Why not. I've got a surprise for her: We're going to go up in a hot-air balloon. I know she'll squeal like an excited puppy over it when I spring the surprise on her. A hot air balloon ride is cheap, only a couple of hundred euros—but a younger guy would never have the wit to surprise her with something so innocent and fun. That kind of instant, novel excitement turns younger women on more than cocaine or money.
Now, sexually speaking, here are a few truths:
One, most girls don’t really care if you’re ripped—they only care about getting a good fuck. You say you are balding, pot-bellied, and hairy all over? Like me? Well, bud, I’m here to tell you: They don’t mind a bit, so long as the D is hard and working as per the manual—and o.c., you know how to use it.
Two, by way of simple experience, a middle-aged guy knows what he wants in the bedroom. So he won’t hesitate or dither. Which is an instant turn on to young women, because girls are generally insecure in the bedroom, and prefer it if a guy takes what they want, rather than be all tentative and equivocating and pleading (like younger guys are).
Three, an older guy will make sexual demands that will push a younger woman’s boundaries—which is exactly what she wants, and which will make her more committed to the older guy. Again, he won’t hesitate, let alone plead—he’ll demand. Which is why he’ll get what he wants from her. Get what he wants from her gladly, no matter how extreme.
All these things (and a lot more) make younger women feel secure—which is at bottom what they want to feel. They want a man who controls the reality around them—they want to be able to swim in that reality that the older guy provides safely and securely—they do not want to wait around while a younger guy figures out the world, while giving her a running commentary about his experiences, little triumps and failures.
Young women want a finished product. And they want a steady stream of strong, positive emotions.
Since younger men have been socialized by blue-pill culture to be all tentative and talky and equivocating, they simply can’t compete with an older guy who doesn’t say much, but makes a young hot woman feel confident and secure.
Finally, as an older man, you’ll know when the 19 year old you are banging is getting bored even before she realizes it. So you’ll be able to adjust accordingly: Either change-up the relationship (if she’s worth holding on to), or let her ease away (if she’s not).
And finally finally, the most powerful thing of all that an older man has over a younger woman: Options. She will know that if the older guy she’s currently with landed her, then he can land any girl he wants. That built-in dread—that certainty—that the older man she’s with can replace her without much trouble makes her compliant and docile and eager to please him, so long as he wants her around.
At least that’s been my experience.
Hope this is of interest.
TL;DR: Older guys get with young women a lot more easily than younger guys can. Older guys have money, confidence, and know their place in the world. They also know that what young women want is safety and security, as well as periodic doses of strong positive emotions.
Edit: If anyone wants to see what I look like, go to my YouTube channel, “Coach Red Pill”.
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MorganTargaryen 7y ago
You are still BB even if you have the money to blow.
darla10 8y ago
5'11" at 110lbs?! Make sure she finishes dinner and dessert.
njohnson_nj2 8y ago
28: Post really made me think about think about my life and a some priorities I should probably put higher. Thanks for posting!
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
I'm glad it did, that was the whole idea. CRP
PantsonFire1234 8y ago
I've noticed that some women have a kink for older men, sometimes just sexual. Other times it's more than that. It makes it extremely easy for an older guy to get with her. From the older men's perspective this is great and it has always been so. From younger men's perspective I think there has never been a more grueling time in the history of mankind.
Remember OP, your generation didn't have to compete with the entire world due to the internet and dating apps like Tinder. Sexual relationships were more visible to the outside world. So when Sally at your high school wanted to get fucked by some teacher, allot of the pre-ritual-flirting would have to be done face to face. People would notice and Sally would get a reputation for being a loose hoe. This kept Sally available and otherwise untouched for a guy her age to start a family with or something like that. There was more certainty back then. Nowadays you have to prepare for your girlfriend to have an entire streams of sexual proposals on her phone. She has access to black guys, old guys, rich guys, famous guys. Odds are she will be tainted one way or another and you will have to decide if you accept this and put up with it, or move on. You should be happy that you grew up before all this. And I can only wonder what the generations that are growing up right now are experiencing. It will breed a specific type of man that's for sure.
She likes you for your money and you are showing her this way that you have the beta bucks potential in yourself. Doesn't matter that you had mindblowing sex afterwards, you got it by spending money. I've never spend a dime on a girl to get what I want and the reward feels much more genuine since you know they are doing so because they desire you, not your money.
Also your entire post reads like a jab at young guys which sounds like you have some deep rooted insecurity when it comes to competing with them over younger girls. Most older guys I know are pathetic and are broken, you might not but most are, same as young guys. Your post should have been more about the advantages you notice being older than comparing yourself with young men whom you probably never get to be around anymore.
Lsegundo 8y ago
This sounds like beta provider shit, not TRP. Something about this post seems off when viewed through a red lens.
iamneptuno 8y ago
This is one of the most ridiculous things I ever read on Reddit.
Just one question.
You really believe that you can "land any girl" you want?
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iheartpomeranians 8y ago
Title edit: what it's like to be a 49m raping 20-25 yr olds. Or anyone for that matter bc there's not really a world where any woman is into what I'm dishing out.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Wow. Bitter much? Wait, are you one of those post-Wall women I discuss here? I bet you are, aren't you . . .
alefmale 8y ago
Lol you just casually write off daddy issues as if they don't exist.
DuncaN71 8y ago
That's because he doesn't want to admit that is probably the main reason why most of these 20-25 yrs girls sleep with/date him
Rares5555 8y ago
OP, as an 18 year-old young man, I have a question that's always been on my mind: in a scenario where I live an active life, with a healthy diet, up until what age should I expect my penis to remain hard and working properly?
redpillbanana 8y ago
Sooner or later you will lose that instant ability to get rock hard.
There is plenty of preventative medicine you can apply to extend your sexual lifetime:
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
You can have sex until you can no longer climb a couple flight of stairs unless you have a health issue. Usually.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
I'm 48. Morning wood every morning. The only time it doesn't work is when I'm tired or the girl isn't attractive enough.
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Im around 50, same here. Hard as a rock every single morning. I have not noticed any change at all in how often or easily I get hard as I age.
whatsthisgarg 8y ago
I'm 52, hard as rock every time. Not just hard, but hard fast, as in completely erect in the time it takes to unzip.
I eat lots of meat, vegetables, no fruit, no soda, lots of water. When my time for workout is limited I focus on core strength.
You want to eat a lot of cruciferous vegetables: broccoli, cabbage, Brussels sprouts -- they are estrogen blockers.
I don't know how much is genetic; I compare myself to my brothers, and they are not paragons of masculinity, and do not exude the aura of someone who's blood is coursing with testosterone.
Guys saying don't drink, well, I don't buy that. I drink about half a liter of vodka every night, and I can still get hard for that 2 AM frolic. Being relaxed allows for good blood flow. Recent brag-worthy adventure: went at it at 2 AM, again at 4 AM, again at 7 AM, ejaculated every time.
pezzaperry 8y ago
Half a liter of vodka every night? Wow.
Herdsengineers 8y ago
I'm 42. Back in March, I'd ballooned up to 241 lbs. I'm 6'2". I carried it well, didn't look like a complete fat-ass, but I was too big. After a change up in eating/exercise, I'm sitting here at 208 lbs now. Down three pants sizes, and it's still on the way down.
My current GF (and a former plate from March when I first started the new lifestyle to loose weight) talks endlessly about how I'm harder and bigger than she's used to. And I have to say - i see and notice a difference myself. Something about getting the extra weight off has made a difference.
So - moral of the story is, eat right, stay away from processed food, stay away from simple carbs and sugar, eat a decent amount of healthy fat and protein, and exercise. Lifting is great, but really anything regular and taxing to keep your metabolism running and a diet focused on being a fat burner instead of a carb burner will keep the pounds from packing on. You'll definitely maintain better vitality as you age.
When multiple women tell you that you're dick is big, feels super hard, and they feel truly pounded and worn out when you're done fucking them, it's just a good mental uplift.
SergiuIlescu 8y ago
It's pretty normal for having a harder and bigger erection after you start exercising/liftin. The Penis gets filled with blood, of course if you're overweight/don't exercise, you'll have worse blood circulation, which leads to less blood being pumped into the P, which leads to smaller erections .
On the other hand, if you start lifting/exercising, you'll be strengthening your blood circulation, which in turn leads to more blood being pumped into the P, which leads itself to bigger erections
Simple science, that's why lifting is a big part of the red pill theory.
yaardi 8y ago
The erections would be stronger, but I really really doubt the (erect, obviously) penis will be bigger than before.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Like with overall health, diet and exercise are key. Stay the fuck away from things that age you. So that means no smoking, and same for excessive drinking, and, as you get older, women your own age.
scissor_me_timbers00 8y ago
Would you include caffeine in that list?
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Not particularly. I would avoid soda, but not necessarily coffee, which has other properties that are beneficial.
rep-god 8y ago
lol'd at > women your own age
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
60? 70, if you stay in decent shape and have low body fat?
In my experience, the D gets lazy to the degree that I get overweight and/or stop exercising. I'm 6'0". So long as I stay around 175lbs. and exercise semi-regularly, all is copacetic in the department.
Of course, booze can send the D into a coma, regardless of age or body-fat or exercise routine.
But you're 18—you have three decades at least before you have to worry about this issue, so long as you are moderately in shape.
Hope this helps.
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AnonymousAndLovinIt 8y ago
It's nice hearing that. I've always read about sexual ability/desire declining sharply after 35.
Burrito_Capital 8y ago
It will if you are stuck with the same one and she hates you. Think about where the message is coming from...
You want the Amish guy telling you your car is bad, or a mechanic? They can both say the same thing, which message means more to you if you think the car is still good?
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
No, that's female fertility. Guys go strong forever. Read Picasso's biography, as just one example.
suxxos 8y ago
If you want to know the brutal truth, it's kind of like balding, you don't have a control (at least - fully) over it. Some guys can't get it up very early, even in their 30s. It's enough if you have high blood pressure, which is often genetic, and there are tens of other factors. And let's face it, there is nothing quite as pathetic as an older guy picking a young girl and then having trouble keeping it up. If you say "I lost weight and my dick is harder" you actually have a problem and you are hamstering away all you can not to admit it.
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
Only with their fat, loud, obnoxious wives who refuse to suck dick. A hot young thing could get it up for them without any trouble in most cases.
suxxos 8y ago
Kid yourself as much as you like. Believing that as a 50- or 60-year-old you'll still be able to fuck chicks is no different than females believing they will still be chased after by dudes when they turn 40. Unless you turn a sugar daddy like OP or maybe are a rock star, forget it. Oh, and guess what, viagra is one of the best selling drugs ever, why could this be in this world of guys having rock hard erections till the day they die???
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
Viagra is for the fat obnoxious wives.
bsutansalt 8y ago
And there it is. This is something I've noticed in the last few years...
Being older now I'm finding relationships to be far more transactional than they ever were when I was younger. The women's age doesn't really matter. Young, old, they still expect you to pay for shit if you let them.
I will say that something that surprises me is that younger women are more appreciative? I think that's the best way of explaining it. They pick up on what we offer being older that women closer to our age can't recognize, usually because they have their own jobs/careers, or perhaps they're of an older generation that expected the guy to pay the bills? It's hard to pin down. The point is there's something intangible that younger women offer or are thankful for that older women tend to overlook.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Agree completely. Younger girls are simply more grateful—and they show it to boot!
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"OP can't handle a woman his own age!!!!!"
There bloopers, I teed it up for you
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
You're absolutely right, I can't handle a woman my own age. A 49 year old woman is bitter, resentful, materialistic, needy, whiny, promiscuous and bitchy.
Yes. Such women overwhelm me.
On the other hand, a fresh young 21 year old? Bright, fun to be around, easygoing, up for anything, delighted when I get them a flower or take them on a sudden trip?
Yes, I can handle a girl like that. Her being at the peak of her sex appeal is just a bonus.
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Truthfully, I like soccer moms. Petite and feminine and hitched so other guys can pay for their lifestyle and listen to their drama. Older and hotter isn't common but they exisit are so insecure about aging that game works extra well
Greying Fatassed Catladies on the other hand? nah
radioactivities9 8y ago
So not as ''sexist'' as some might say. It's not too much to ask for a pleasant and charming lover/s.
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Women over 45 have more baggage than an airport carousel. They are invariably bitter, angry, botoxed and they have either knifed their husband in the back, or lost him post wall. On top of that I just cannot get hard for a woman over 35. My dick is my barometer.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
/v.amused
So's mine! Cheers.
Willow-girl 8y ago
I presume you're describing your wife, lol.
I'm a 50 yo woman. I'm in good shape/health, financially secure, have lots of hobbies and interests, can hold an intelligent conversation on many topics. My man and I have a hell of a lot of fun together -- but then he isn't jetting around the world blowing money on young sugar babies.
You don't even know what you're missing.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Actually my wife just turned 27, she's skinny, medium-to-tall, very non-materialistic, and a wonderful, conscientious mother.
Willow-girl 8y ago
Conspicuously absent are the words "wife and" preceding "mother"!
So one of your PYTs made you her Betabux, and now having gotten what she wanted out of you (provisioning and some offspring), she's probably amenable to letting you outsource the sexual part of your relationship.
Hey, if it's working for you, I'm not one to argue with success! I like a relationship that includes a strong pair bond, myself.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Who says I didn't get what I wanted out of her? /smirk
Willow-girl 8y ago
I am sure you did! Thank you for providing us with an example of a man who lives almost entirely within the female frame. Validation from women is the drug that you crave. You will travel hundreds of miles and spend hundreds of dollars to be rewarded by a pretty face looking up at you with a "You're so wonderful!" expression. Your female counterpart is the woman who posts an endless string of selfies online in order to be rewarded by sighs of "So hawt!" from her orbiters. The cure in either case is to find a mission for your life beyond getting validation and satisfying your appetites. Good luck; hope you find one.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
You amuse me. Keep it up, please.
The_M0rning_Star 8y ago
I appreciate that your response is candid. And I like how you genuinely seem to enjoy women, instead of seeing them as cum dumpsters. To be fair, some women are. But there are an equal amount who are not.
But
As an alpha, there should be no woman you can't handle. Bitterness is easily solved with laughter, something you seem to really like doing and be good at - making women smile. Promiscuity is easily solved by fucking her so well when she thinks of sex, she thinks of you. And so on and so forth, these problems are solved by things you're already doing. Thus, the reason to prefer young women...
Is that it's easy. It's very easy to impress a 22 year old, they don't know shit. You're quite possibly the only man they've ever met who's like that. You're stable, know who you are, at a time when they don't have either of those things. So yes, they will sit there, drinking you up. Whereas a woman your age has much more of a chance to have met several men like you...which means she can compare you to someone else. To the 22 year old, you are peerless. To the 49 year old, you have the possibility of being 2nd, 3rd, 6th place!
I get the hot young body. Trust me. It's fucking sexy and I get it. And I'm sure that's a big part of it. But let's be realllll honest. There's an equally big portion that is you simply don't want to engage in relationship where you might have to struggle to stay on top. In other words, you don't have the fight for it.
And I ain't ever met an alpha who isn't willing to fight.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Once again, you are right as rain: I don't have the fight in me to engage with more age-appropriate women, women who are 40, 45, 50 years old. Women who can compare me to other men like me, and realize that I am coming up short. Hence I'm not a true alpha. I am an ersatz-alpha, a pale and shoddy counterfeit.
So I'll just have to stick to those dumb 22 year old hard-bodies who are so easily impressed by a loser such as myself, while those true women of 45, 50 years of age reject me for not being up to their standards.
Mine is a shameful, sorry life.
legitimateusername4 8y ago
TFW alphaed by catladies and have to settle for 20 year olds :(
Willow-girl 8y ago
Nailed it! He's playing RP on easy mode; that's all. I have encountered men like this all my life, from the time I was in high school and was getting hit on by men in their mid-20s who were too timid to approach women their own age. Much easier to impress a 16-yo!
IkWhatUDidLastSummer 8y ago
"That impromptu shopping spree I mentioned? It was the surprise of it, as well as getting all the goodies that made the girl feel fantastic. Young women want emotions, strong emotions. They want to get drunk on the stuff. They want stories that are funny or awe-inspiring, they want to go places where they feel excitement or wonder, they want to see beautiful things, and have to dress up fancy to go to a nice party. They do not want to sit around over a $1 beer at the Olive Garden, talking about a fucking superhero movie, and being told why Iron Man 3 is the best of all the Iron Man movies or whatever."
It wasn't the "surprise" or the "emotion", it was the MONEY and the MATERIALISTIC desire she has that made her love this you goofy. How do people upvote this delusional garbage.
"And finally finally, the most powerful thing of all that an older man has over a younger woman: Options. She will know that if the older guy she’s currently with landed her, then he can land any girl he wants. That built-in dread—that certainty—that the older man she’s with can replace her without much trouble makes her compliant and docile and eager to please him, so long as he wants her around."
Are you kidding me with this flawed retarded statement disguised as "logic"? By that logic, she can basically just fuck the next man she meets on the street and she can convince herself that "guy she’s currently with landed her, then he can land any girl he wants". Literally wouldnt be any different if we were talking about a 25 year old man. Keep making up this BS to suit your narrative, i didn't expect TRP to be so bluepilled to upvote this fairytale garbage.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Read this comment, didn't understand the bitterness, until I came to the final sentence commenter wrote:
That's the key sentence—and that's when I understood the commenter. My post, this “fairytale garbage”, cannot be real. Because if it is, then commenter is failing.
Remember, kids: Hamstering is not just a girl thing. But whereas girls are slaves to their hamster, a man can detach himself and study his own reactions.
I suggest commenter do that, and ask himself why so bitter and so insistent on dismissing the post.
IkWhatUDidLastSummer 8y ago
Dude you're trying to string something together and cover it up as being logic. It's just plain wrong. Sure, you have traits that make u attractive, you've got alpha traits, you got shit going for u, ure succesful, u know what u want and don't want and all that good stuff. But don't delude yourself into thinking that it is the age that makes you just that, you would do so much better with those traits in a 25 year old body. I know alot of girls that wouldn't even allow you to get one word in before they wouldve dismissed you already from the sheer fact that you're over 40. Can you pick up younger girls at the age of 49? Yes. You can even buy them, which you partly did by letting it be about the materialistic value you hold. Are there ALOT of girls you wouldnt even be able to strike up a conversation with? YES. Imagine being at a point in life in which you try to convince yourself that these girls are truly in it for you rather than your money.
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Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
No. When I was 25, I was much more impatient, less self-aware, and much less understanding of what drives women. Even though I was sexually active, with a gf and a wide social circle, I most certainly did not have what I have now, which is experience.
From my direct experience, confidence and self-assuredness trumps youth and looks every single time—no exceptions.
You further wrote:
The funny thing is, every single young woman I have dated told me repeatedly that they did not date older guys. All of them.
Yet here we are.
IkWhatUDidLastSummer 8y ago
"From my direct experience, confidence and self-assuredness trumps youth and looks every single time—no exceptions. " Because you are biased. Objectively speaking it's safe to safe you're wrong. Donald Trump has all of those qualities that you just mentioned and hes quite a bit richer and more succesful than you are, i'm sure theres a fair share of young girls he couldn't sleep so much with.
"The funny thing is, every single young woman I have dated told me repeatedly that they did not date older guys. All of them. Yet here we are." Again, confirmation bias. You include the ones you have been with, you don't look at the ones you wouldn't even get a chance to have a conversation with. The reason you can get some is that you have what would appeal to some women (especially money). And i thought u were one who loved bringing up statistics as reasoning for why people shouldnt go to college.
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PranksterLad 8y ago
I am 25, my last girlfriend was 21. I didn't know how to handle her, hot as fuck, beautiful, model. What happens when these girls leave you. Then what -- I am left absolutely crushed here.
SgtBrutalisk 8y ago
Find some kind of mission in life and do it. You'll have an epiphany of sorts around 30: don't make any major life decisions before that!
PranksterLad 8y ago
So before 30.. im wondering lost and confused.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Son, you just move on!
Remember words of wisdom: She's not yours, it's just your turn.
PS: Believe it or not, you will find someone hotter, tighter, better. Because no matter how hot, tight, or good she is, there is always someone better.
PranksterLad 8y ago
Thanks man, I am trying, but I mean it when I say this. Just to prove you wrong, I just googled her name (don't ask), she is now second fastest athlete in America on scholarship in US in certain division, a model, and absolutely beautiful. I too was a big deal, and now shes gone. I havent had any better since her, this, I can guarentee to you.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Son! You are so fucking wrong!!!
My man, believe me: I do not care how great this woman is—you will find someone better.
PranksterLad 8y ago
Mate,
I am not trying to be negative here. I have just spent the last hour on the red pill reading all the top articles over again. I was the captain of a Division 1 soccer team that was known across the country, I was the man in college, now I have graduated and work in a recruitment firm in another country doing 14-hour shifts in a basement office. I have no time to even do anything else.
Whilst she is off running races and being in the newspaper. I've fallen while she excels. I'm an absolute mess. I don't know what the fuck to even do now. I don't know where to go, how to go about things, I don't know anything anymore.
I'm getting older, she's going to get that guy big and marry rich whilst I am working in a basement.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Writing you a private message.
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kaane 8y ago
There is more wisdom in this post and the comments than what is ther in the sidebar. I am 36 and after I read this post and comments, I feel like I am a kiddo. Yet 20 somethings write posts describing how they swallowed (in past tense!) the pill.
Experience. There is no short way around it. You have to live the life to get the experience.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Exactly right. You can't cut corners on experience.
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Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Then do it. What's stopping you?
7mile_ 8y ago
TIL op met girl on sugar daddy site and thinks he has impeccable game
-Universe- 8y ago
The biggest reason that women don't like young guys is because they are not men. They have yet to attain manhood which occurs around 26-30. Add to that that we live in a man shaming culture and its becomes even more difficult for them.
SgtBrutalisk 8y ago
Thanks for this post. I will put it to good use.
Namely, a client commissioned erotica writing from me, so I'll use your post to devise scenes, dialog and personalities and make some juicy cash. Thanks again, bro!
Scandinavianredpill 8y ago
They do care if you are balding and all that shit, they are just fucking you despite that. If you tell yourself it doesn't matter you are potbellied and fat you really don't understand why they are choosing you. It sounds alot like you are an ATM for the young girls you are dating as well as emotional support. I never bring out the money, because I want to be fucked because she likes what she looks at. I get compliments on my body and I never have to buy a woman anything so I won't. I agree with the experience part and having your shit together - but please don't paint a picture that your average fat balding 50 year old guy can get any real love out of young women.
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Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
First your write:
Then you write:
In other words:
“You're nothing but a dumb John who's fucking whores! . . . Where can I meet those whores?”
obey_kush 8y ago
Love this post, never saw things from this perspective.
I like it.
uniqueeleni 8y ago
As a 22 year old woman myself, I have to say that you do have some good points. However, if a young woman is smart, attractive and knows how to work for her best interest, will either:
1) find a guy in his 30s with a good job and/or family fortune and try to make him marry her by the time she is in her late 20s. That way, she will get all the benefits of money and experience without having to deal with saggy bellies, reduced endurance and "been there, done that" attitudes.
2) find an old guy like you while in her early twenties, get him to pay a fair share of her student loans while she lives off him (and put her own salary in the bank, in case she works). At some point she will start getting bored with him and crave young, attractive bodies, so she will start cheating on him, until she finds the 30 something year old guy I talked about before.
Now listen, of course there are exceptions, but trust me, most girls don't feel attraction for wrinkly, shaggy bodies, just like men don't like saggy boobs and cellulite. I have been with a couple 40 something year old guys and I had to ACTIVELY try to ignore their looks during sex time. That's why I believe that most girls who date much older guys (not that many, actually, which further proves my point) have some sort of daddy issues or desperately need the money. And maybe 1/1000 has true feelings for him.
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Bullshit on stilts.
I agree with CRP....you're a bitter male, not a woman, and would love to believe what you just said. It's much easier than, you know, fucking taking care enough to be attractive to younger females.
radioactivities9 8y ago
I've heard that people find age differences enticing. So yeah, tons of young women are very likely curious and wanting to experiment with older men. Then when those women get older they want the younger men sexually. You see, nature abhors a vacuum.
There's just no need to talk shop about how 35+ women can bang 18-23 year old guys. That would be straight to the erotica section, not self-help.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
The way you structured your comment, and your emphasis on the visual as opposed to the tactile, and the rational as opposed to the emotional, makes me think you're a male. The fact that yours is a brand-new account also makes me skeptical as to whom you claim to be.
uniqueeleni 8y ago
Hello! Actually I created this account a while ago and this is my second comment and yours is my first reply. I am surprised by the fact that my writing seems male-like to you, I thought that the way I write is actually visibly female. Maybe it's because English isn't my first language? Anyway, yes I am a girl, and I understand that you might not believe me, but I don't think this is the point. Wether I am a male or not, I made some points in my comment (which I consider sensible) and I would like your input.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
OK, I'll play along.
Re. point 1, the girls I date, in their early 20's, aren't consciously looking to settle down with anyone. I'm sure if I were dealing with girls in their late-20's, early-30s, it would be a different story, and fit in with what you're saying here. But in my own case, dealing with 19 to 25 year olds, you are totally off the mark here.
Re. point 2, in my own experience, I haven't been cheated on, I haven't been manipulated into paying off anyone's debt of any sort, and I haven't been led along and then suddenly dumped for some guy in his late-20's/early-30's.
As to what these young women want, they are all identical: They want security, someone to lean on, someone who will make decisions for them, and someone who will fill their lives with strong, positive emotions.
Also, they aren't into looks as much as you claim that they are. They are visibly, clearly more attracted to confidence and self-assuredness.
Look, if you are who you claim to be, fine. But you sound as if you cannot bring yourself to believe in what I'm saying.
So in a sense, we're even: Neither one of us believes what the other is saying. Which is amusing, if you think about it. Perfect symmetry.
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You're right for 19 to 25. If you're into spinning plates, 25 to 30 is still OK, as long as you can avoid coming across like Beta Bux.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
I'd never date someone past 25. I'll explain in a post I'll put up tomorrow.
uniqueeleni 8y ago
Ok, one last reply, just to clear things up. Personally, I find the whole red pill thing quite sexist, however it does seem interesting to me, so why shouldn't I leave some food for thought? Please, have an open mind and remember that a different perspective (especially if it comes from a female) could actually help you learn something.
Many girls' parents have been telling them from a really young age that they should lock down a good, rich guy in order to live a comfortable, care free life. And I am not talking about extremely conservative or religious parents. These people just want their best for their child.
That's why girls are always dreaming for wealthy and experience, but also good looking Prince Charming. (Hence why they get crazy over hot singers and such in their teens). As the years go by, they still want the closest they can find to that. Deep down most girls are looking for a man to marry and they want the best they can get. That's why they don't normally go for really older guys, because they know there is no future with them. What, are their children going to have a 50 year old dad? Will she have to take care of an elderly man while she is in her 40s?
Yes, women are looking for security, but there is no security without long term commitment. That's why it isn't that common for women in their 20s to be in a relationship with men in their 50s. And when they do, it's either because they have (psychological or financial) issues.
Now, as far as the appearance is concerned, yes girls care about it, maybe not as much as men, but all humans are programmed to find good looking people attractive, since they can provide us with the optimal genes for a strong, healthy offspring. The conversation between female friends "oh, you hooked up? Was he hot? Did he have a big dick? How many times? 4in a row? Wow!" Is especially common among younger girls.
Anyway, I don't really disagree with everything you say, I probably have a different perspective as a girl who lives far away from you and has different experiences. I hope I have you some food for thought, you certainly gave me :)
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uniqueeleni 8y ago
Well, I don't know about the U.S. (although I figure it's no different from Greece) but personally, I know the penis size of most of my friends' boyfriends and ex boyfriends. Of course we don't admit that to men, we want to seem classy. But especially in late teens and early twenties, it happens very much, because it's a fun talk.
Everybody has been saying that I seem to them like a male because I speak rationally, or because I say that girls like hot bodies and talking about sex. You guys on the red pill have the opinion that women are these illogical, overly emotional creatures that would never expose you and would get with a fat, old, confident guy in a heartbeat.
Well, guess what. Maybe that's what we want men to believe. You know, play by the crowd, pretend that you are classy and not superficial or calculating.
In my opinion, if you want to see how women think, just watch sex and the city. Carrie and Miranda are very good depictions of what most women are like and the talks between them are close to reality.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
I'm guessing you're from Holland or Germany or Denmark, by your diction.
A more self-consciously equalist country like that—which strives to eliminate the innate differences in the sexes, turning boys into defective girls, and women into defective men—frowns on older men with younger women. It violates their equalist point of view.
But in the rest of the world, it's natural. More to the point, it feels right to the people in the relationship. Young women are naturally more mature than young men. Young women—especially feminine, sexually aware young women—are disappointed in young men their own ages. My current gf, for instance, J.: She is 24, educated, attractive, and she now says she doesn't quite understand why she was dating her previous boyfriend, who was close to her own age, lived with his parents, and played video games all day. She is now embarrassed by the fact that she used to date him. And she tells me—rather surprised by the fact—that she feels very happy and comfortable dating me.
This is natural. But women from a more equalist country or background have been educated—indoctrinated—into acting more like men, including in the sexual realm. They have been told that they should be sexually active, that they should experiment, etc.
In short, women from equalist backgrounds or countries are raised to believe that they should approach sex like men.
All you have written sounds as if it were written by a man. So either you're a man . . . or you are a woman from an equalist country, who has never learned what it's like to be a woman in full, as she strives to be just like a man.
Just a thought. Take it as you will.
uniqueeleni 8y ago
I get your point. Just so you know, I am from Greece, so not really an equalistic backround, even though I personally tend to view the whole "dating" game as a man. Anyway, to each their own I guess. It's pretty late here (2am) so I think it's time to sleep. It was nice talking with you :)
Mr-Ed209 8y ago
A question for the older dudes..
Have you guys always been decent with women from your 20s or did you find that you hit an age later in life when things became a lot easier?
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Things got easier in my early thirties, as regards women. It's when I finally understood them. Understood their true natures, understood that they are essentially toddlers with better vocabularies—and like toddlers, ruled by their impulses, easily swayed by their emotions.
After that, I got all the pussy I could ever want.
justinwatt 8y ago
Everything is perspective man. When all of us were in high school do you remember how feeling like certain events were make or break moments that would affect the rest of your life? How the relationships would last forever? With age you just gain perspective. Also, as with most things in life, you get better at things the more experience you have. The more you know yourself, the more confident you are, and the more you are outcome independent because you KNOW that it doesn't matter - the better you become. Go out to have fun. Go out to meet people. Celebrate the incremental victories, and when you get blown out, learn to laugh at yourself.
A lot of people are just stuck in their head with women. They worry about getting blown out, humiliated, whatever. its just math man. Sure, getting blown out sucks, but what's the worst that can happen? She says no? Her friends laugh, then forget about you instantly? On the flip side of the coin - what's the best outcome? You smash some turbo thot and have a great night. The risk benefit weighs heavily in your favor.
It's not magic. You get results on the effort you put in.
Just have fun man!
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Luckyluke23 8y ago
as someone who is 27 who is" getting to that age" and who had a girls friend pull away because I was " too old" ( was 19) this is really refreshing.
thanks man
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
27 is “getting to that age”?!?!
/laughing.too.hard.to.continue.typing
Luckyluke23 8y ago
i mean to 30... but 30 is no big deal
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
All absolutely spot on. Fundamentally you have life experience. Even if it's not banging hot girls (mine wasn't until recently)..... being able to talk knowledgeably about people about what's really going on, gently just knowing TRP truths in an easygoing way is deeply compelling to women. Just incitefully knowing what's going on for women (it's easy to spot when you read TRP a lot), and showing a little fake sympathy for it.... goes a hell of a long way. "Yeah honey... I know it's really hard to find a guy who is hot AND will stick around... most guys just don't have it all I guess, but they're trying and you have to give them some credit for that".
Also... as an older guy who gets his fucking act together.... you are almost peerless. Very few guys over 40 are in shape (hell most guys are fat the second they leave their college football team), most don't have a decent look, are saddled with debt, or ex wives, or children. (If this is you, hide it or make it look like no biggie). Hell, you make everything look like no biggie. While her emotionally weak 22 year old was crying over someone's facebook post, you're laughing after you crash your car.....
[deleted] 8y ago
Clearly you're not in Denver.
That said, I might have a skewed perspective because I'm an active guy doing active things, so those are the men you see. Very few fatties in a climbing gym of either gender (or is it PC to say of every gender?)
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
"either gender" is fine. I have little time for all the other made up genders.
Gym and climbing = extremely skewed. You're looking at <0.1% of the population, all of whom (especially climbing) are fit and lean. Fat people can't climb.
TyrannicalWill 8y ago
So in other words, you are dating women with daddy issues.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
If putting it that way makes you feel better, sure, why not, go ahead.
AnonymousAndLovinIt 8y ago
I'm really curious. At that age, do you get lonely? Ever think of settling down?
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
I am settled down, with a family and kids and everything.
It's not an either/or choice. It's a both/and.
AnonymousAndLovinIt 8y ago
You have my respect. You also have one more follower on youtube.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Thanks! And thanks for following me, I hope you enjoy the videos. They're a lot of fun for me to make.
CRP
do_it_or_leave 8y ago
Would you care to expand?
Do you have a family and still goes around with several girls?
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
There are no indiscrete questions. Only indiscrete answers.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
You can do it without much money too. I do. Another five years and I'm debt free, unless I build something to sell before then. Where I live I'm doing quite well, in NYC or SoCal I'd be homeless our very near to it. Life happens and I got fucked by ex wives and am rebuilding yet again. Thus I need to do it cheap, minimal cash outlay, and pussy is dirt cheap.
Want an older girl to know she had to act right? Have girls half her age eye fuck you and flirt openly with you in public. It's incredibly easy to fuck 18-28 year olds in your 40s. Unless you're a desperate fat fuck, then even old chicks won't want you.
iamneptuno 8y ago
Maybe you can, he can't. He's not remotely handsome, out of shape and looks his (old) age. No way in hell he's getting a 18-28 without severe mental issues for free.
aigamithite 8y ago
What is this divide lately between "old" and "new"? Aren't we all men trying to improve ourselves and hone our sexual strategy?
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I'll never ever understand how being a 50 year old and dating women you'r kids age is TRP. By age 50 a man should have achieved a lot of the things listed, but also built a family which is the end goal of sexual strategy. This is the same shit as if someone wrote "I'm a millionaire and now I finally get pussy by using my money advantage". I hope everyone can see that by pure substitution you get "I'm 50 now and I finally get pussy by using my age advantage." It is using crutches, band-aids but I don't see how it is TRP. It ultimately stems from High School, when people were selected by nature and some guys didn't get any action, sort of like a male version of daddy-issues.
legitimateusername4 8y ago
Nothing quite as blue pill as a fifty year old waking up next to a set of perky twenty year old tits.
OP needs to MAN UP and settle down and be boxer the horse for some family.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Nice Animal Farm reference...have an upvote, sir!
redpillbanana 8y ago
"Dating women your kids' age" is common BP shaming language.
The whole world, especially the Western world, shames older men for dating younger women and steers them towards "age-appropriate" relationships. However, men universally prefer younger women. An older man who dates younger women is bucking society's narrative in order to get what he wants. He's also dating women who are at their peak SMV while his should be on the decline which means he has been working on improving his SMV. He's also likely avoided the marriage trap which catches so many young men. I would say that all of these are facets of TRP.
Who's rule is this? The end goal of sexual strategy is to spread your genes as far and wide as possible. The best way to do this is to donate sperm.
Some men have the goal of raising a family. Some want to have sex with a variety of beautiful young women. Both are valid goals. A man should know his goals and live his life trying to achieve them.
What you call crutches and band-aids others might call sexual market value. You could say the same thing about any sexual value: "I'm ripped and now I finally get pussy by using my physique advantage." "I'm famous and now I finally get pussy by using my status advantage."
Some men didn't get to sow their oats in high school or college and now they want to. It's like saying that you didn't get to travel when you were young and now that you have to resources to do so, you're going to go ahead and do it.
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And borderline reportable concern trolling.
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SMV is being able to fuck any girl you want, under any circumstance, any condition. Having to wait untill you are 50 to bang a woman in her prime is not gaming the system, carries no interesting concepts for others to learn. A post about how to gain the competitive advantages from being 50 at an earlier point would be interesting.
Westernhagen 8y ago
It does if you are a guy in his 40s who only recently discovered TRP and thinks if he divorces his shrew of a wife there will be nothing out there for him but bitter divorced 40-something moms whose faces and bodies are wrinkled fat wrecks. Then it's like "hmmm there are happy options out there for me..."
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
I have a family. Wife and two kids. Your point being?
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My point obviously being that there is nothing about sexual strategy relevant here, you are just dating girls your kid's age. It's as if I would take a college team to scrimmage against JV, would that victory tell you anything about the game of basketball? Your post is not an outlier, there are many others. I just offer the contrarian position, when you guys say that by 50 you have all these advantages, in a very real sense what you are saying is "our youth sucked and we didn't get any". A much more pertinent discussion for TRP would be how to make a marriage last (can't), a family last (can) or setting yourself up for a great life in your 50's.
Andrew54321 8y ago
Fascinating that's what you read into it.
30M, I saw it as gaining the experience to naturally hold frame, spit mad game and splash cash is worth the work. What work? The will to stay present and hold frame. I have and continue to do so (with decreasing frequency). Learning Game means I fuck it up many times while I figure out what I did wrong/right and what I do next. Splash cash. If you've ever started a business from nothing then you respect the ability to splash like you don't give a fuck.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
I had sex on my 13th birthday, and got laid fairly regularly throughout my life. So I don't have any hang-ups about never having gotten laid in my teens or twenties or whenever, and finally now getting some.
That might be your story—it certainly is not mine.
As to my not being able to make a marriage last, which is what I assume you are implying in your last sentence: My marriage is fine.
So all in all, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. So please elaborate what you are objecting to.
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You are interpreting the post wrong, I don't mean to personally assault you. I mean't the general consensus is that any marriage can't last, meanwhile a family can last. I'm in the younger age bracket so no experiences with being 50. The point being is that there is nothing of value from just taking all the advantages you describe and letting them work for you. In a TRP sense, all the stuff you listed as advantageuous would help a 25 year old guy even more, like financial security and maturity and a manly look. I outlined that with the wealth comment and the basketball. I would also caution older men who are into this sort of thing, the girls that are down to fuck a much older guy on a first date/club are without fail emotional wrecks and could be trouble. As this is my peer group, the belle of the ballette is certianly not going steady with anybody but the alpha from her own age bracket.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
DM me, and tell me in more detail what you are trying to say. Because I'm still confused, but I'm interested.
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Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Basically, this is true. You forgot to add that in most cases in antiquity, the older, more dominant and established male had several females as wives and/or concubines.
The funny thing is, in the current deregulated sexual marketplace, we are seeing the same kind of concentration: A few men with multiple women, and a large swathe of men without access to any women.
Which long-term is not good for the society as a whole, as can be seen in historical precedents. (Check out Unwin's “Sex & Culture” for a fuller discussion.)
Willow-girl 8y ago
I was doing some genealogy research awhile back and was struck by the fact that 100 years ago, most marriages seemed to be between 16-18 yo women and men about a decade older. I suspect that it was less risky for a young woman to marry a slightly older man who had had time to establish himself as a good provider.
swift_phoenix 8y ago
This is mental masturbation for older dudes. There are well established posts that have said what you have said without the narcissism. If you wanted to reframe from a point of wisdom of why younger women are going for older men and how to achieve like the older men then that adds values to discourse of TRP. I know this is pointy, however, my gut reaction to this post is that you have a lot wisdom and success that could be a model for other members of the TRP. Try constructing your posts like /u/VasiliyZaitzev, I think you will find a lot more success.
My personal belief of the TRP (where true or not) is provide guidance for all men young and old to make them successful in the SMP. At times that means giving a harsh dose of reality in the face of years or decades of blue pill conditioning. At other times, it means providing the members the tools to be successful in the face of adversity. And, at other moments, providing confirmation of success to other members for their triumphs and continually building the community for better.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
By putting down my experiences, I hope other men, older or younger, can deduced why something I did—or did not do—worked.
I'm not trying to lord it over anyone, or step on anyone's toes.
Best, CRP
[deleted] 8y ago
Your post makes no sense. I found this post interesting and maybe some people consider it "mental masturbation", but I think it's a good post.
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 8y ago
Don't make us come over there and beat you with our walkers.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Yeah, us older dudes are warning you: Our C-PAP breathers are registered as lethal weapons!
redpillbanana 8y ago
Be careful - MentORPHEUS still has that M1 Garand from the Korean War.
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 8y ago
Trebuchet. And I open carry.
ruboius99 8y ago
Spending 300 on a woman is never a good idea
SkorchZang 8y ago
In general yeah. But then again, if the girl suggested to OP that he spend the 300 on her, he would likely have laughed in her face. "No."
The subtle difference is that it's his magnanimous, unexpected gift that she can't control. It's on his terms entirely. He isn't gifting her to get anything back, he is doing it to enjoy the giving, "the extatic look on her face". He is being royal and patronizing, she feels like a little girl in the candy store, everyone's happy. Good arrangement!
The reason we rarely talk about this angle is that the moment you put it out there, every autistic blue piller (in recovery thanks to TRP) is instantly going to be on that bandwagon. Thinking themselves the exception to every rule comes naturally to them, and so does the male-hamstering that "I'm enjoying the giving", while women successfully milk them for all they're worth.
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SkorchZang 8y ago
It's important to know too that more shit-testing is attached like an umbilical even to the most genuine giving of gifts to women. If our guy is going to patronize and be royal, then he better be ready to ace what comes after: the woman's unconscious and ungrateful attempts to take advantage of him.
Those are a double edged sword. If you crush the shit tests, they boost attraction and your status in her eyes. If you never see it coming, it's the opposite, plus you'll be milked for increasing amounts of money, using ego-related manipulation.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Agree.
I never give a girl cash. And I'm always wary if she asks for or hints at wanting me to get her something that costs money. Most girls I date are smart enough to pick up on those no-gold-digger vibes I put out.
But I'm not cheap with my girls either, because I know it is a definite turn-off. For instance, I always send my girls home in a cab with a £20 note. I always spring for the little things when we stop at a store for whatever reason; once I bought my current gf a six-pack of toilet paper, as she'd run out—which was amusing. I teased her about not being a particularly good gold digger, if she had me spending £2 for toilet paper.
My point, though, is serious: I always spring for the small expenses of a relationship—but I never spend any money if she asks for more, or tries to manipulate more out of me.
My goal with spending money on a woman is to maximize its effect. This hot-air balloon ride next week is not costing me much at all—but it'll have a powerful impact on my current gf.
It's all about the ROI: Minimizing cash input, maximizing emotional impact.
Young guys seem to think they need to spend boatloads of cash on a woman. They're wrong: It's spending money on them in a way that will make them not only want to be with you, but strive to please you, while avoiding being their ATM.
Lsegundo 8y ago
Your post said you are "taking" your gf to Paris. Are you paying for her flight, lodging, and meals? or did you simply invite her along and are treating her to a ballon ride?
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Newreddawn 8y ago
Nice post, I think I'm somewhere in between the young dudes and your position in life and I can see the transition happening similarly to how you describe it.
That being said, I can't relate to wanting to scrap a good girl just because she got older. I feel less and less like that the older I get. Perhaps it's simply because I still want a family and the pump-until-you-dump method almost burned me out on women entirely.
Nice work dude! Hopefully I'll have my shit together like that in another fifteen years.
epixs 8y ago
Good read but cut the whole out of shape bull shit, I'm 23 and fuck plenty of girls. I discovered the manosphere at 17/18 and have been through so much hell to where iv gotten. I'm doing what your doing at 23 and in 10 years I'll be doing shit you wish you could.
I learn from you guys wisdom but don't shit on or generalize all young guys.
iamneptuno 8y ago
The idea of those dumb youngsters is a part of his delusion, it makes him feel better about himself. It's very common among old clowns.
aanarchist 8y ago
pretty easy to attract whores when you have a fat wallet, no matter your age.
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IkWhatUDidLastSummer 8y ago
Make no mistake. OPs post is no different. Its just disguised.
Entropy-7 8y ago
Really. Six hudred bucks on a makeup bag, gets sex; no beta indicators there.
deephurting666 8y ago
Reason I don't ever date..I'm 62 and currently just get my rocks off to fresh out of high school prostitutes..wham bam thank you ma'am and never see them again..best way to spend my cash!
Fedor_Gavnyukov 8y ago
its just like with any other product. if its good, then you don't mind paying. rather than spend time and effort for something that you may or may not get because of whatever reason comes to her head. sometimes you just don't want to deal with bullshit and its just that much more convenient.
TravelingShitLord 8y ago
Only downside is all the shaming that people try to do to y'all.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Yeah, I know! Like I should be ashamed for not dating 40- or 45-year old post-Wall women!
Also, the resentment and envy expressing itself as concern-trolling, or weird red-pill arguing . . . an object lesson in how hamstering is not just a chick thing.
Oh well, I figure that if there's a substantial group of people criticizing me, I'm doing things right—and if everyone is agreeing with me, then I'm definitely doing something wrong.
Cheers.
CRP
ACE-JHN 8y ago
Dayumm. This really gives something to look forward to. Young guy here 21, slaving away trying to get into doctoral program for physical therapy and the ability to leverage wealth and status like you have is seriously uplifting.
scissor_me_timbers00 8y ago
Yeah man, when I was your age I put myself thru a lot of unnecessary mental anguish due to my minimal sexual experience. I didn't really understand the way the male life cycle happens. Just eat drink and sleep success. It's about focusing your will.
But yeah don't sweat it, the race against time as a male is not as raw of a deal as it is for women.
ACE-JHN 8y ago
Appreciate it. I enjoy learning from guys like you.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
I'm glad. That was actually the purpose of the post: To tell young guys what they have to look forward to.
massivewang 8y ago
I consistently post the same comment on these threads to show what progress over time accomplishes, and how I fully expect to experience what OP is talking about when I'm his age. From 27-32 (RPED at 27)
I'm not a god who never strikes out, nor am I some immaculate alpha Chad who kills everything I do. But consistent effort mixed with some luck has changed my life. Things are only going to get better.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Me too. For younger guys, remember this.
TehJimmyy 8y ago
You dont even lift bro . I dont disagree with your points but spending 300 bucks in whores , you are being used. I dont give a fuck if you have money you are doing something wrong if money is the only thing you use to create strong emotions in women.
Not everyone here is that super rich , you should GTFO with that bullshit.
P.S You have a video on explaining why not go to college/university. Jesus christ.
kupakuma 8y ago
It's post like these I was just waiting for. I dont care if it's confirmation bias, I just wanted to know that it's a possible scenario. I fucked around in college, and now I'm paying the financial price of having a low GPA with a less than desirable entry level job, tacked with enormous amount of debt. Basically I'm the textbook younger guy that op is describing in here. At 25 I'm on monk mode now, and I'm trying to carve myself a career. Wake up at 4:30am, hit the gym, go to work for 8 to 4:30, go to a cafe to study for job credentials exams til they close at 10pm. Head home. Sleep, rinse and repeat.
It's been 6 month of monk mode so far, and honestly it's been tough. I could be out there making friends, and partying. I consider myself pretty social, and making myself coop up like this, to be by myself just focusing on self improvement is actually a pretty new sensation for me. So naturally I have days where I feel kinda blue.
Anyway that's enough rambling from me, I just wanted to say thanks for the encouraging post - you old dirty geezer.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Life After 30: How to Be an Old Guy
You're welcome.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Stick with it, kid—the monk life is tough, but it's worth it, esp. if you're doing it right, which is what it sounds like from your comment.
Just don't spank the monkey too hard, you Masturbating Monk.
Cheers,
CRP, aka, “Old Dirty Geezer”
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Guys interested in this topic may also find my top-level post Older Men, Younger Women: How & When It Can Work to be useful.
JuicemanJunior 8y ago
Just curious, how long does it take you to actually sex these girls? Lately I've been stuck in a streak of "sex on 3rd date" encounters.. If you have any tips on how to improve that, or if that even necessarily needs improving, I'd appreciate it.
DigitallyDisrupt 8y ago
I dunno man, I'm not competing with anyone in numbers, so getting to the lay quicker, only exposes me to the unknown, that I might find out on date 3, or gasp... even 4.
The thing is abundance. If you're spinning plates, it doesn't matter which date you bang on. Just don't waste time or money and you'll be fine.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
There are basically two ways: First, go trolling for sluts in places where sluts hang out, or second, find the right girl at the right time and seduce the fuck out of her.
It's a numbers game. Anyway, there's nothing wrong with 3rd date sex. My goal is to have a consistent harem of 4-5 women, with two primaries and with the #5 slot turning over for variety.
Battle-Scars 8y ago
Relax and enjoy the seduction, sex on date three is good. Depending on the woman who cares how long it takes, just don't lose frame and have fun with seducing her.
Hman99 8y ago
95 percent of the time I bang them on the first date.
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prodigy2throw 8y ago
I feel like the main point of this post is "be rich, buy hot young sluts shit that would be expensive to them but not to you, and have sex in return".
This is a sugar daddy relationship. Not hating as it is what it is. But I doubt any of these women really care about you or are attracted to you. Unless you have reason to believe they do. In which case I'm all ears.
iamneptuno 8y ago
Thank you for a piece of common sense in the middle of this delusionfest.
prodigy2throw 8y ago
I mean, I'm sure this dude is happy but deluded yourself into thinking these girls actually like you is sad and simply just fan fiction for younger guys afraid of getting older and being single.
TheSlicemanCometh 8y ago
Thats the entire basis of male female relationships all the way through the entire animal kingdom. You sound terribly naive.
Implying women that dont get showered in expensive shit by their partner actually care about them and not just themselves.
Implying women arent attracted to men with money.
Women arent attracted to money. Women are attracted to men with money. There you go.
prodigy2throw 8y ago
Idk I get hoes spending money on me so idk how that fits into your theory
TheSlicemanCometh 8y ago
Your facts are great and all but what about my anecdotes?!
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
No, it's not about buying stuff for hot girls—it's giving them what they want, which I insist is not stuff, but rather, strong positive emotions. They want to feel alive and happy and carefree.
Certainly there are women who are all about the money, who are all about transactional relationships—and they are easy to spot. From experience, I can see them coming a mile away, the same way you can spot a beta orbiter a mile away, or you can spot a neckbeard virgin a mile away. Gold diggers are a non-issue.
The issue is understanding what role money plays with a woman.
If you think women care only about money, if you think relationships with women are transactional, then you don't understand women. They don't want money—they want what money can get them. which is strong powerful emotions: Security, happiness, joy, surprise.
Money is just a tool.
suxxos 8y ago
"I'm a sugar daddy, but I'm not a sugar daddy"
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prodigy2throw 8y ago
Fair point. That makes sense
cantFindValidNam 8y ago
How does this make sense? Ever met someone who wanted money just to look at it?
This is hamstering.
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Leggomycheeto 8y ago
.....soooooo you're a sugar daddy. Gotcha. Also, saying you can spot a "neck beard virgin" a mile away just makes you sound like a douchebag.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
I am a douchebag. Your point being?
Leggomycheeto 8y ago
At least you're self-aware
RushingPrecision 8y ago
Money is a tool YOUR whole confidence is built around. Without it i doubt you'd have any game at all. This is a shitpost. Anyone who's seen scarface already knows money power women. There is nothing of value this FR provided other than $$ makes you more attractive
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
You're right, without money, I wouldn't have any game at all. But then, I did earn my money . . . so . . . here we are.
Leggomycheeto 8y ago
Thanks for clarifying. Next time just sum it up as tl;dr: no game? Get rich and try again.
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metalhead4 8y ago
What kind of car do you drive?
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
My daily driver is an '86 Mercedes Benz 300SL. My family car is a late-model gelandewagon. My pride-and-joy is a 1952 XK120.
But I should point out the obvious: A car doesn't define a man, nor is it an accurate measure of his worth. Anyone who thinks so is a fool.
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This is true, there is also another thing having money and status provides, that is access to girls who are young, hot and rich. I have dated girls under 30 with nett worths in the millions. One was a trust fund baby (20 and a maxim model), one was a fashion model (26, vouge covers) and one was royalty. Had a decent STR with the royal girl. Status gives you the ability to pick and choose women for either sex, STRs or LTRs. Your range of choice is vast compared to younger guys with jobs.
Women are not after money when they date/ fuck older richer men. They are after the experience of being with someone of STATUS. It is the status and the power which gets them wet, not the cash. I usually stick to a nice bar, a couple of beers and generally my rule is no food until after sex (unless I am hungry, in which case she is just along as my passenger). Guys who do not have money always assume it is the money that gets a girls wet, but it is the fact that you are high status that drops her panties.
RealTalkOnly 8y ago
How do you get this status that gives you access to these women?
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A few million in the bank helps. Otherwise status is a complicated thing. Status can include being a minor status symbol in your area (local dj, rapper, fighter). It can mean you are the boss of a small company. It can mean you are from a good family. Can mean you are accomplished at a certain sport or discipline. You can fake it, wear expensive clothes, go to expensive places, tell lies about your job and life experience. Women find status to be intoxicating so either acquire it or fake it.
metalhead4 8y ago
I just wasn't born and raised to have that lifestyle and mentality. And I have no desire for it either. I'm content making 50k a year and having things that make me happy. That level of wealth and status comes with a whole bunch of headaches I have no interest in gaining. Mo money Mo problems.
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It is not for everyone, you always have the option of just getting jacked. I would rather be a master than a slave. No need to make excuses, maybe you want to think about status when you are older.
metalhead4 8y ago
I'm 26 and had nothing given to me paid for everything myself.
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Me too, came from a very poor family, fought from the bottom. No-one ever gave me a damned cent. Worked my ass off. That's what makes it sweeter
metalhead4 8y ago
Are you a millionaire? I have like $6000 to my name right now lol
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Sir_Distic 8y ago
Every younger woman I've been with has told me she liked me over younger guys because I'm "more mature".
In other words less needy, less likely to tolerate her bullshit and quicker to put her back in her place.
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Can confirm everything you are saying. Im around 50 and have plenty of money/ status. It is ridiculously easy to fuck hot 22 year old women. It is waaaay easier than it was when I was in my 20s. Me, Vasily, Vengefullyyours will all back you up on this. Fucking young bithces just gets easier, not harder. They cannot get enough. I banged more than a 100 hot young things over the past few years. It literally never gets old (pun intended). Welcome to the red pill. Keep up the posts and I expect you will be endorsed soon enough. It is good that older guys are sharimg their pussy slaying wisdom.
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Metalageddon 8y ago
Heh. Almost 30 and already feeling that curve. It's a great time to be alive if you've taken care of your shit.
Nice.
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dr_warlock 8y ago
Women above 30 know they don't have the luxury of time and their youth is slipping away. Their needs are increasing but their value is decreasing. They become more demanding while offering less value. The low value/need ratio is the irritation you feel.
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VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Oddly, with women, as physical quality (on average) goes down, the price goes UP. Or at least their self-perceived market value. Younger women, OTOH, in addition to being more supple, believe everything you tell them, seldom bitch and are never to tired for fun.
redpillbanana 8y ago
You can often see it in their dating profiles.
35 year old woman: "I'm so sick and tired of all the stupid losers who are contacting me. If you want to talk, you need to jump through these 10 hoops, write an essay on a topic of my choosing, and solve this calculus problem before I'll answer. If you visit my profile 3 times and don't contact me, I'll block you, you creepy stalker. Fuck off!!!"
19 year old woman: "Nice to meet you and thanks for reading my profile..."
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Agreed, it is baffling. I go on a first date with a 21 HB9. A few hours later my dick is in her. The few times I have decided to give older women a chance, they act like entitled cunts, they are worse the less attractive they are.
Denver_Luv3 8y ago
I dunno. I'm a bit younger but in a similar overall situation and this isn't very congruent with my experience. I've written about some of that experience in past posts. I'm not saying that your experience or the OP's is impossible, because it's not, but I wonder what his pipeline looks like, where he's meeting all these 20-something women, what they actually look like, how rich he actually is, etc.
For me the really easy demographic is 29 - 35 and recently divorced or left their big LTR. That group is everywhere and looking to party. A while ago I did date a gorgeous girl who was 19 - 21, so again I know it's possible. But I don't see anything like the numbers OP is implying. I'm pretty skeptical overall.
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Are they looking to party? Or get back to "normal" (LTR)?
vengefully_yours 8y ago
I fully expect girls over 30 and under 41 to flake. I haven't bothered to head to the meet point agreed upon earlier, because they only want the validation, in the last ten years. If it's not right now, and we'll meet later, then they always flake. Over 40, they still flake, but know a quality man when they see one so the instances are less. But older girls who are great looking are even more hassle. Not worth the bullshit included with Jennifer Aniston level girls. They're just as nuts and demanding as she is.
Young girls riding in my old GTO, all I need to do is tell them to take off the bit of clothing I want and get in the back seat. 30 something's are looking for a new daddy for the fuck trophies, a way to pay off the student debt, or an ATM to pay her bills. 40s, well they're tired of losers and being ignored by quality men.
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zboo1h 8y ago
My last LTR was 30, same age as me. Holy fuck, the headaches. And you'd think after riding so much dick she'd be good at it, but nope.
SgtBuchanon74 8y ago
Oh young boy, she just isnt riding you like your dick is crack because youre not Chad. She settled for you because shes post-wall.
Sidebar.
zboo1h 8y ago
Old bitches perceptions are fucked.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Abso-fucking-lutely—you nailed it. In fact, I'm planning on writing a post as to why I never date a girl over 25. Too much hassle, too many headaches, not worth it at all.
FailingBillionaire 8y ago
What hassles are you talking about? Their biological clock ticking?
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I can name 3 hassles of dating a women over 25 and into their 30s
They are in debt.... And they are looking for someone to pay it
They want a kid /already have one and need financial security
The Prime dating age, is 22-25 with a halfway decent degree. Why?
They are out of college so your daily face to face competion drops, (she will still have tinder and pof but chicks mainly use that for validation and to make fun of dudes.
They actually have to fucking work, so they aren't quite as liberal as they once were. And they begin to value time and money more, so when you spend it on her it's appreciated.
thobek 8y ago
you nailed it with those first 3 points. i get that those all the time.
hawkeaglejesus 8y ago
I would say college chicks 18-21 (at least in the US) are even better.
Lack of male competition. Most guys her age are total fucking losers, most older guys don't hit on them for fear of social shaming (women 22+ are free game though), and even though she probably pregames with her friends, her ego hasn't yet ballooned from being a full blown club slut.
3a. To an 18 year old, if you have a car, a decent job, your own place, and can afford pizza/weed you're basically in the top 5% already. To a 25 year old, making top 5% means being a part time model who's also a doctor/lawyer/millionaire businessman who has a luxury apartment and traveled to at least a dozen countries.
Lots of female competition. There is a ton of attractive young women around her most of whom are sexually available. All her friends are sluts, so it's ok for her to be a slut. (At 25, women start settling down, now all of a sudden she needs 2-3 dates to justify putting out.) They are skinny and fit because they played sports in high school to improve chances of getting into college and haven't been able to go binge drinking every weekend so their waistlines haven't suffered.
4a. Compared to a 25 year old with a college degree job (50K+), they're poor. They don't go out to eat a lot which keeps them skinny, and if they do it's something cheap. 25 year olds expect you to spend money on them, 18 year olds are much more low maintenance.
You end up with a supply/demand problem that works in your favor. A lack of alpha men = high demand for alpha sex from women who are at biological peak attractiveness, in an environment that encourages lack of responsibility and having fun, who haven't been ruined yet by feminism, slutting it up, or drinking (low mileage).
Using money as a metaphor for sexual availability. Imagine someone just got $1 mil (18), they're going to spend it a lot more recklessly than someone down to their last $200K (25), who's going to focus on "investing" it so that she can make it last a while.
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jackandjill22 8y ago
This is a load of bullshit. That entire premise was based on Beta younger dudes. That said 20 y/o's are a hassle. They're very me focused. It's like they can't sort themselves out.
kaane 8y ago
Younger or older, all women are self focused. The only difference is that they show it in different ways. Men are providers and women are consumers. If you are beta you are provider of sources. If you are an alpha, you are the provider of tingles. Better be peace with this.
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blurred_face8 8y ago
Paris is great for day game, the funny thing is that Tinder or OKC is total disaster. I get matched only by the uglies. But in real life I get the 8's and 9's.
Boovs4life 8y ago
So how do you prevent a girl from seeing you as a provider? If I dropped $300 on a girl I'd assume she'd see me as that. Do you set limits or make her pay for herself on dates so she knows she can't always get what she wants? Thanks!
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
You want her to see you as someone who can provide for her.
Now, whether you will provide for her or not . . . that will depend on her complying with your exigencies.
jackandjill22 8y ago
Yea, that is older guy thinking. You're basically treating them like a child that's asking for ice-cream but only rewards them when their behaviors the way you'd like.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Exactly. After all, women are children, only with better vocabularies, and an ability to hide their irrationality and capriciousness.
If you always remember that women are no different from capricious children, they are easy to manage.
the_flying_spaghetti 8y ago
How the hell does your girlfriend weigh 100-110 lbs if she's 5"11?
RealTalkOnly 8y ago
Where do you actually meet these girls though?
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Everywhere except clubs and bars and discotheques.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
This comment is more for readers than the OP but here are a couple of things to think about:
Even though the cost, to an older, financially secure man, may be negligible, people learn what you teach them, so one has to be careful that the next time she hasn't "forgotten" her Tom Ford sunglasses or a nice dress for dinner or something. If one let's the relationship become "transactional" it's a problem.
So long as this is treated as a "reward" for positive reinforcement, I think it's fine. When I bring one of my girls with me, they get to go where I go, stay where I stay, etc., but I don't lavish gifts on them because they are "special" for having a vagina, etc. We are also going to somewhere I am either going anyway, either for business or because I want to go there.
I rented a private capsule on the London Eye, once. Didn't tell the girl where were were going. It was springtime and they still had the "Valentine's Day" special on, so it included champagne, mimosa, chocolate truffles, whatever, and was actually less than renting out a capsule on its own. For me, it was nice, because I dislike being stuck in places with loads of other folks, many of whom have a rather cavalier attitude about personal hygiene, plus I also dislike lines, and once we arrived, they took us straight on. For the girl, it was like magic.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
As a 56 year old guy myself this post reads as authentic.
That's pretty much how things work.
At times when a woman is not just half my age but a third my age it seems a little weird when they are willing to be with an older guy like that.
18 * 3 = 54
19 * 3 = 57
My "preferred age" is one that follows the Rollo SMV chart, so a woman of 30 or so is optimal.
https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/smv_curve1.jpg
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
I don't date anyone over 25. Too much hassle. I'll write a piece about it tomorrow.
Entropy-7 8y ago
It depends on your age, your SMV, and, whatever compromises your are willing to make in terms of quantity and quality.
It just isn't credible when you read a post where a guy is writing about how he is a fat and 50-ish, and regularly banging hot younger girls while not spending any substantial amount of money on them. If you were that smooth you would have your own PUA empire to make extra coin, or would be two busy fucking to be posting on TRP.
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bsutansalt 8y ago
Include the following contextual reference points so guys can understand where you're coming from.
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Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Yes, essentially. The last time I was with a woman over the age of 30 was 2000, I think (it might've been 1999, I've forgotten).
Hman99 8y ago
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Entropy-7 8y ago
I've been mostly following the "half-plus seven" rule (give or take) since I first started dating at 18. Have gone as low as half-plus-one (me 34, she 18) and half-plus-two (me 48, she 26) and have had only two cases of dating "older women" (a pair of 30 year olds in succession when was 29/30, but they both looked like teenagers and tended to get carded when we went out). My current is half-plus-eight (me 50, she 33).
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
That's the ideal... right around there.
You appear older, but no one confuses her for your daughter.
At triple a girls age she might be your grand daughter.
Entropy-7 8y ago
Given that my current GF is a different race, there will be no confusion, but she could be mistaken for very young because she is so petite.
With my biggest age difference, I was actually a year older than her father, but again, different races.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Imagine how uncomfortable that would be on holidays.
I'm assuming you don't actually do family get togethers.
"Awkward" is the word.
Entropy-7 8y ago
She was estranged from her father and she didn't want me to meet her grandparents because they would have disowned her.
On the other hand, when I was 34 and dating an 18 year old we spent Christmas at her folks place. It wasn't awkward at all; then again, they were in their 40's.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
And 34 to 18 is very acceptable because that's the SMV peaks of male and female.
Willow-girl 8y ago
I was out once with my ex-husband who was 23 years older. A valet referred to me as his daughter. Husband snarled, "She's not my daughter!" Valet said, "Sorry, sir. Your granddaughter, then."
OMG, I nearly hurt myself trying to to laugh! He was a bit sensitive about the age gap. Me, I didnt GAF.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Wow that is funny.
I think if the guy is older and still looks pretty good a young woman is pretty much okay with it.
Obviously you seem to have been okay with a guy 23 years older.
What ended it for you with him?
And understand I'm going to translate through the "Red Pill Brutal Honesty" magic code and read into it things you might not see.
What beta (or self lowering SMV) thing did he do that made you lose attraction?
Or did he dump you for another young girl?
Willow-girl 8y ago
Five years into the relationship, he started to experience low T. The equipment still functioned, but he lacked the desire. This was quite unsettling as when we first got together, he was in his early 60s but still able to go twice a day with no problems. I was not happy in a DB situation and we were unable to negotiate a mutually acceptable solution so we parted amicably; I'm now with a guy my own age and hopefully won't wear him out too. LOL! (BTW, I think that valet was being a smartass.) ;-)
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
That is what I've heard from other stories too.
At beyond 60 years old unless you take exceptionally good care of your fitness the demands of regular sex are too much.
I'm 56 and wouldn't even dream of even wanting sex more than once a week.
At 18 it would have been possible for me to do it every day. (multiple times)
And women get super sexual as they get older (30's and 40's) so they are hungry for more than guys want to give.
"Correct Answer"... you passed the Red Pill Truth test.
Hman99 8y ago
I don`t give a fuck what people think.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
And you have experience dating women half or a third your age?
Hman99 8y ago
Yes I do. I regularly date 18 to 24 yrs old and I'm 52. I banged 60 new pieces last year. I haven't counted this year yet but it's been very good as well. I am decent looking (people say I look mid to late 30's) and I drive a new Porsche and own a new boat and jet ski. So yeah, I get it, they like being around nice things. The problem is, some of them try to lock me down and want to have kids believe it or not.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Well I'd say you definitely have experience then.
So no desire for kids or is it really no desire for Divorce Rape and Child Support?
A lot of guys would like having kids but know the women in their lives are incapable of being good mothers.
Female quality is very low these days. (Cock Carousel™, etc)
Denver_Luv3 8y ago
I'm not so sure. I just finished writing in response to someone else:
I really wonder about pipeline.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Best comment here, hands down.
You're right, pipeline is key.
First off, I assume I can meet a girl anywhere I go, wherever I go.
Second, I don't bother with bars or clubs—ever. Because clubs are where people are interested in each other on a purely superficial basis, and I can't compete there, for the obvious fact that I'm middle-aged. Furthermore, clubs are a mecca of bottle service girls and money junkies and other fairly trashy girls—not interested.
I meet young women at random. Coffee shops, offices I stop at, wherever—I am never closed to an opportunity. Last night, I arrived on a late night flight to London. On the Gatwick Express, I chatter up a 22 y.o. from Norway. We're meeting tomorrow morning. There was a guy, 22–26 y.o., good looking, tall, who actually spoke to this girl before I did, asking her while we waited on the platform if this was the train to London. She spoke to him and smiled—and he didn't follow up! He got into the same car as she did (and I did), he sat not two seats away—and didn't engage her!
But I did. So I got her number, and the younger guy, better looking than me, did not.
You see my point? There is always opportunity. And if I'm seeing someone regularly, that does not prevent me from continuing to seek out other prospects, wheresoever they may be found.
DigitallyDisrupt 8y ago
This FR could be a valuable post in and of itself.
Jigsus 8y ago
He didn't engage her because he has abundance mentality. Don't be thirsty OP
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
No. I was there, you weren't. He didn't engage her because he didn't have the nerve. By her smile alone, a blind man could tell he had the opportunity—but he lacked the balls.
And btw, I'm meeting my Norwegian cutie in 15 minutes as I type.
Jigsus 8y ago
Oh please. She wasn't that desirable to him. You think just because you are rich you have your pick but what I see is a thirsty beta bucks that gets slim pickings and your mind is blown when a high abundance males doesn't want the girl that gives you attention.
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
Confidence and experience. I am that younger guy 100% of the time. How do I build confidence and self esteem? Lifelong issues I can't figure out.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
You dip your toes in a pool—and it's cold.
So how do you get yourself into the water?
You grit your teeth and dive in.
And the funny thing of it is, once you're in the water, it's not as cold as you thought.
Grit your teeth and dive in. It's 1,000 times better to crash and burn, than to live with the regret of what might have been.
Best of luck.
empatheticapathetic 8y ago
Thanks, you're right. I have a specific history of social isolation/rejection I'm currently working on. I'm getting better and forcing myself to be more social even though I know it's fine, I have to be safe.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Rollo wrote about this over at The Rational Male a couple of years ago.
The hardest women to get sexually are 22-26 because they are still in their prime, but they know the clock is ticking and they need to score the highest SMV male they can before the Wall arrives for them.
Before 22 and women are just fooling around.
After 26 and the Wall is near and there is a lot of panic and "settling" for a more clueless beta bucks type.
If you are in a big city, older, have social skills and money you should be able to find those "bright lights, big city" girls to exploit for a short time. These aren't marriages or anything, just fun adventures for young girls.
Jigsus 8y ago
For LTR the 22-26 types are great
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
That's when the smart girls drop the Feminist offensive behavior and start getting themselves into shape mentally and physically to lock down the high SMV man.
The dumb girls behave badly, slut around on the Cock Carousel™ and wind up with a different race ("vibrant") that creates children for her that don't look at all like her.
Entropy-7 8y ago
It depends on a few factors but women 21 and under are not easier to get unless you are close in age, are older but have a sky-high SMV (Tom Cruise, Will Smith, Keaneu Reeves, Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, etc.) or you are poaching porkers and girls with "issues", daddy or otherwise. Or you could just pay-for-play and be done with it, whether explicitly or implicitly.
And there is an inflection point at around age 33 where they become more difficult to get into bed. They generally mess up your "3-date Rule" because they are a) looking for something long term an b) have crashed and burned in enough relationships that they insist on spending more time vetting the guy (which usually consists of various hoops to jump through).
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Which is most young women these days.
I'm seeing massive dysfunction brought on by broken homes and twisted Feminist ideology that creates young girls who are literally out of their mind crazy.
This is not always the case in an upper middle class suburb where the women know they are beautiful and headed towards riches one way or another.
If an older guy wants a younger girl you pick a girl from a bad background who is thrilled to be in the "big city".
Then you worship Moloch and do the "Cremation of Care" ritual.
(okay, that part is kidding)
Entropy-7 8y ago
Well, ya. If you are dating online (not Tinder) it is easier to spot "girls with issues" either through a profile search or looking for particular answers to particular questions. In a big city, there are probably enough that you can find one or more.
However, if you are running day game and randomly hitting up PYTs your hit rate, as an older guy, is going to be really low.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Young women are attracted to older men.
It's because all Tingles in women are based in "looking up" to father figures.
The young boys her own age are sexy like Chad Thundercock, but that "boy toy" doesn't inspire the awe that the older man can inspire.
And if the old guy uses his Game he can amplify the situation.
Also, if you look like George Clooney the girls will melt, but if you look like George Costanza they won't.
Old genes that are good genes are still good genes.
Entropy-7 8y ago
Even still, only a minority of 22 year olds would actually fuck George Clooney, age 56.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
I don't know about that.
I've heard women talk about George Clooney and wanting his lifestyle of the rich and famous as well as the genes.
And these were 20 something girls who use Tinder and fuck random Chads.
Hypergamy will ignore many things in order to get the high position.
Hypergamy is basically a female social climbing urge.
By social restrictions you can limit Hypergamy (as this is wise to do) but you can never eliminate the urge completely.
Entropy-7 8y ago
I should have put "who looks like George Clooney, but isn't". Hell, lots of young girls would still fuck Mick Jagger, and he has never been the most "cosmetically gifted" of chaps. Fame and fortune distort everything.
The other thing is talk vs. action.
And for anyone not paying attention "majority" means >50% while "minority"<50%. If you asked 100 HB8+Tinder girls if they would have sex with man in his 50's, do you think more than 50 would say yes?
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
I am 29, not 49, but even then I would be banging 20 and 21 year olds and was being called a creep, perv, etc.
Funny thing is the ones calling me those names fell into two categories:
White knights who were mad that the women they were orbitting were not going for them but me instead
redpillbanana 8y ago
As I've mentioned before: Sometimes, when people get upset at you, it means you're on the right track
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Totally, 100% agree.
Envy and resentment are powerful emotions.
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I had a smokeshow half my age on my arm for 4.5 years. The only real attitude I got was from women my age. The most enthusiasm I got was from guys who were 60 & up!
Willow-girl 8y ago
LOL, I was married to a man 23 years older, and the looks I got from women his age were priceless! Clearly I was poaching on their preserve.
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ShakaLeonidas 8y ago
This sounds like hamstering to justify being primarily a provider. Im not knocking it. We all knew when we're younger that women lOVE financial resources and the perks of status and provision. It is what it is. Young Chad Thundercocks and Tyrone Ironwoods get first crack at young pussy because they interact with it way more often. They pop cherries just to watch the same young females monkey branch onto bigger things with older guys as soon as the GIRL gets some independence. In the sport of poon slaying, First place is the best place. 2nd and 3rd are podium positions and the rest are simply prizes for participation. Once it bleeds for the first time, pussy doesn't get better the older it gets point blank period. Have fun with hot women in general it doesn't matter unless you wanna start a family if their 40 or 18. If your not first your last. SHAKE AND BAKE
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
This sounds completely irrational, if not vaguely unhinged.
ShakaLeonidas 8y ago
Its completely based in logic. Females love utility. Utility is relative. Value is domain dependent. You hold value in the domain you occupy.
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[deleted] 8y ago
The bane of many a hopeful, starry eyed Romeo.
[deleted] 8y ago
He's happy, she's happy.
Besides, what hooker do you know that would give you sex for a week for $300?
kaane 8y ago
You are right. But she gets to fuck the girl, which is a good deal. Every relationship is transactional in its roots.
The_M0rning_Star 8y ago
To be fair...ALL intimate relationships can be defined as "transactional". You give me this, and I will give you that. Give me your attention, and I will give you loyalty. Give me your money, and I will give you sex. Same fuckin' thing. And when one side doesn't hold up their end of the bargain, you terminate the transaction. Stop giving a man attention, he'll stray. Stop giving a whore money, and she'll stop fucking you. Why trp is so obsessed with parental love...it's the one of the few intimate bonds that exists that isn't (or at least isn't supposed to be) transactional.
Random aside: are we married to the name Chad Thundercock? Cause...it's so fucking cringe worthy. Can't we just use the military version? Jody's fuckin' your girl. Much less cringe. Cringe factor reduced by 4,000%.
Also it's delude. Not dilute.
iamneptuno 8y ago
No. Any decent looking male can get a female for free, and a great looking male can have females pay for his attention.
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Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Sounds to me like the envy and resentment of a white-knight beta cuck. No judgment, it is what it is.
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IkWhatUDidLastSummer 8y ago
This is one of the only times where i question the users of TRP. The fact that this BS gets upvoted. How are people so deluded and blinded by the "cute fairytale" story that OP delivered, all readers buying into this concept and OP himself are all delusional af, what makes you think she gives a fuck about a 49 year old man as a 25 year old girl BESIDES the money he can provide unless shes ugly af unable to find someone her own age or if she has some sort of next level daddy issue.
DigitallyDisrupt 8y ago
Lol the anger flows still in this one.
I got the contact info of a 19y/o hb7.5 Latina spinner working the register at home depot. (Hardware store in U.S.)
I made those married schmucks behind me watch as I did what they dream of doing every day. Getting their balls back and using them.
Also, unlike op, I'm poor, pay for nothing. It truly is emotions. Sunset hike up a hill to watch the sun dip and moon rise, pumps endorphins and adrenaline... Take a kiss from her, and start jogging down the trail back to the car. Never surprised when they want to go back to their place.
Did I mention I pick a place, less than 5 min from her house "so she doesn't have to drive so far". I've not ever had one put that together.
redpillbanana 8y ago
As I've mentioned before: while an older man has some obvious physical disadvantages, at the same time he has many advantages:
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All solid points.
Another huge benefit is that a solid age gap along with a commitment to not having children takes the true long term off the table.
redpillbanana 8y ago
I never thought of it that way. Interesting!
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My last LTR was with a girl 20 years younger than me. We got together when she was 19, I was 39, and we ran 4.5 years. One of the best fucks of my life was on the day we calculated she was now more than half my age, rather than less than half my age.
Still, she was very conservative. At first it was a traditional relationship, but then there was a near branchswinging....to a handsome millionaire crypto-currency trader, no less. She was astute enough not to break off a great thing just to get pumped 'n dumped.
Still, at that moment it was decided that we would break up when she got into grad school.....neither of us knew she wouldn't get in her first try, and the gap year she took with me was one of the best years of my life....I work from home, we were together all the time but because we knew it would end, there was a different vibe entirely.
We're great friends. Just yesterday we had a great chat about math, study design problems, how shitty it is when soldiers looking to retire at 20 years are booted out for medical shit 15 years in, among other things. I'm sure I'll fuck her again, we have tentative plans to drive to Casper, WY for the total eclipse near the end of summer. If not then, another time.
All of this has a point: unfiltered access to a good looking early 20's woman's brain is what brought me to TRP.
I've been voluntary celibate for quite a few months.....I need to get going again, but needed to be Alpha enough to not get sucked into drama. My experience was lightning in a bottle and unlikely to be repeated......and at any rate, I need to build up a good ecosystem of many women I've fucked well and can continue to fuck until it's time for sugar baby game. Spinning plates is a fine response to branch swinging.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Good comment.
I'm pretty firm about not falling into the beta bux trap. When I spring for something, it's usually a surprise, usually aimed at causing a specific effect. The makeup thing is a case in point: The girl never asked me for money to get makeup. She'd actually purchased some the day before, the day she arrived in London where we met up. It was the surprise of me springing for a makeup shopping spree that set her on fire.
That's what I want to emphasize in this post, I realize now: Young women want strong positive emotions, like sudden surprise, wonder, etc. These strong emotions can be gotten for little money, all you need is a little planning.
Again, this is my experience. Take it for what it is.
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CopperFox3c 8y ago
As a man, it is all about learning to help from above, not below. Remember, a woman's respect flows upwards ... men love women, women love children, and children love puppies. If you're going to be benevolent, you must do so from your frame.
The ironic thing is that many of the principles that TRP preaches actually make the people around you happier. It is counter-intuitive. Don't be misled by the social tropes of the blue pill cultural narrative. They crave strength, boundaries, leadership ... otherwise they feel lost, rudderless. Your greatest gift to the world is your strong male presence.
Also ditto all the stuff in /u/SkorchZang 's comments below.
redpillbanana 8y ago
Good points.
My general rule is that if you give gifts like that, the expense should be pocket change to you.
People can usually tell when you've bought a gift that is expensive for you and they can feel the pressure of having to reciprocate either with a gift or with favors.
Pocket change for you might be $3, or it might be $30,000. If spending it isn't going to affect your life then it's fine to give as a gift.
TheRealYekke 8y ago
Agreed. And it's not just the 19 year olds that do this, the much older women are even more susceptible to being 'surprised ' after a lifetime of sub-par men. Last weekend I helped out on a range and this petite rail skinny 60 something is shaking so hard she can't pull the trigger. I stop her, grab both hands and face her. Look me straight in the eye I command her and lock eyes while I feel her tremors disappear. About a minute in I realize her and I will end up fucking an hour later at that cheap motel across the street if I don't break eye contact now. She's completely compliant and i can even smell her VTs over the cordite smoke. That's how quick it goes. That 19 year old has no life and can do all the selfies she wants, she's still stuck in nowhere ville. I'm the guy that makes her laugh, doesn't care she's chunky, and takes her places she's never going to see otherwise.
However, spinning these plates gets old. The older one becomes drama central, the younger one starts pushing to lock me into marriage. So you enjoy them and then drop them
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Whoa, whoa, whoa there, Cowboy! There are no chunksters in my corral!
/smirk
Other than that, I liked your comment, cheers.
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TheRealYekke 8y ago
Chunk not obese, and even if those girls are either total bitches or easy. And yes the chocolate ones melt the easiest, if you just act confident even in groups of them.
LiveFromArizona 8y ago
How are you able to have conservation with these women without boring each other silly?
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I focus on smart ones. They love intellectual depth. The primary female sexual organ is between the ears, not the legs.
Newreddawn 8y ago
I've had people ask me this before. It's not nearly as difficult as one would think. Most of the time they're the same conversations, be they silly or serious, and they contain similar subject matter. Young girls can be very eager to learn what you know, and I'm always surprised at the insights some of them bring to my life.
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Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Just because a girl is young and pretty doesn't mean she's stupid or ignorant.
And I have a great time, in terms of conversations.
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
It is nice to conservate with pretty young things. Even when they are from an entirely different generation they pay attention and ask insightful questions in ways the scowling women of my age rarely do. Plus they ooze female hormones out of their pores.
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[deleted] 8y ago
This is helpful, as someone who is 27 and married to a 24 year old - I constantly have to be 10 steps ahead of my wife to live the life you're living. Currently I'm living at a 4/10 in terms of your lifestyle.
So far, the sloppy blowjobs are abundant but I'm going to use this post to elevate myself.
The_M0rning_Star 8y ago
Why do you have to be 10 steps ahead?? What qualifies as 4/10? Why are they sloppy blowjobs?? This post leaves me with many questions.
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The sloppy blowjobs are an indicator of my current relationship success.
Being ten steps ahead means im not discovering the world with my wife, instead Im leading her.
Im living 4/10s the quality of life OP is living.
I hope to aspire to live a similar lifestyle
Leggomycheeto 8y ago
What lifestyle? Dating young chicks because you can buy her all the shit she wants? Stick with your girl, bud.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Actually, that's your job. If you want to be happier, lead her where you want to go.
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yeah with a wife IT DOESN'T FUCKING END.
You fucked a hot bitch and held frame for 4 hours. Woop de do - wait until you have to hold frame for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a years FOR LIFE.
I am leading my wife; I got road head this morning, grabbed a fist full of her hair and bobbed her up and down violently. I rub my dick all over her face. As a married man that's not easy to obtain on a REGULAR BASIS. But I do it; I am a beast but still have a long way to go.
I hope I can achieve a dynamic with my wife similar to the dynamic b/t OP and his bitches. THAT will take a LOT of work. But I will do it.
On a side not, thanks for your reply UNCLE VASILIY!
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
I see where you went wrong....
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The_M0rning_Star 8y ago
Oh damn. Have you tried not leading her? Perhaps she's become dependent on you, and thus makes no effort to evolve, assuming that you will simply tell her how to behave or think? Adversity is what makes us evolve into stronger, better individuals. When someone holds our hand for us and assumes all the adversity onto themselves, it makes it hard for us to see the need to become better people. Why would we? Everything is fine, isn't it?
There is no excuse for sloppy blowjobs from a 24 year old. Instruct her. Remember, if you can't say what you want, you'll never get what you need. You don't have to be a dick about it, but gently instruct her. Same idea. She might think her blowjobs are fantastic, and see no need for improvement. (Even if the blowjobs are metaphorical, the point stands)
4/10 is not acceptable my friend. Go grab life by the balls...pussy?...whatever... and start addin' shit until you get to 8/10.
[deleted] 8y ago
Bro you clearly haven't been on this sub long. Sloppy blow jobs are an indicator of success.
FranckShmibery 8y ago
Sloppy blowjobs are a good thing m8
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Pro_Like_Me 8y ago
you group "younger guys" all together but surely you could same the same about "older guys"
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
He could, but what would be the point?
Think of it this way: See that older guy over there rocking the beer gut and the t-shirt that maybe fit him 5 years ago getting into the 8 year old minivan? The one who anesthetizes himself with sports and alcohol so he can put up with his crap job and his bitch wife and bratty kids?
Yeah, don't be that guy. Simples.
Pro_Like_Me 8y ago
You miss my point. I was just stating that he stereotypes "young guys" as if "old guys" are any different/better.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with sterotyping. Sure, there are going to be outliers. The OP's point is to BE an outlier as you get older. His is mixed in with more narrative so I think it's easier for younger guys to think "Humblebrag!" but he does serve as an object lesson on where RPM wan to be as they age: confident, financially secure, banging young, attractive women.
FuckMichaelMcCoy 8y ago
Seriously, this is all a post to convince themselves that they are more superior. Its ironic because a strong man doesnt go around telling people how much he benches and deadlifts. He just radiates it, doesnt talk about it, and people recognize it. These older heads feel the need to always persuade people they are more superior in the SMV world.
Throughout my life, I have seen "alpha" older men in environments with young women, and they are not these magnetic Chads they try to tell us they are. The magnetic Chads are the 25 year old swole guys with style and game. Not the bald "dominant" dad who walks around on a high horse because hes older.
They always compare a polished older guy to a neckbeard 20 year old with no game and no style. If you are going to compare an older Chad, compare him to a younger Chad for a more accurate analysis. And btw, its always the same 3 or 4 endorsed tag guys who defend this fallacy. Every time.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Kid, I am superior to most younger guys—even these mythic “Chads”, even “25 year old swole guys with style and game” that you referred to (whatever swole might mean).
I am superior to these boys by the simple virtue of having lived longer and seen more and knowing more—and having my shit together, financially.
But hey, you think I'm full of shit?
OK.
Best of luck.
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Lsegundo 8y ago
Guy doesn't even know what swole is and comes to drop knowledge at TRP LOL
Maybe you're just not familiar with the term. Swole = jacked = muscular and lean.
Being in that kind of shape is all you need. There are plenty of "Chad the retard" online dating experiments where Chad texts the stupidest shit possible. The women are still practically begging for him to come use their vag.
Sorry boss, you are not superior to some 25 year old swole guy.
FuckMichaelMcCoy 8y ago
Pathetic response.
So theres no such thing as a swole chad with game, okay. In fact, its "mythical." You are very close minded with that point of view and as seen with your high horse in general. You are very delusional if you think women are wetting their panties over "financial security." Do you have any awareness of the Betabux concept we talk about?
ForeverNandrolone 8y ago
I'm 49 and one of my girls is 20. She's not HB this or that but the sex is crazy good. Younger girls will fuck older guys and they are easy to deal with.
This story is for everyone. The older guys here can have this if they work for it. And every young guy here will eventually be an older guy. There is hope. Yes as you age you lose some SMV due to losing some physicality but you usually gain more SMV from being more confident and more successful as you age. You can maintain an acceptable level of SMV til your early 50s at least.
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Partly because we are easy to deal with.
DuncaN71 8y ago
I diagree, girls that date guys that are over 15yrs older than them probably have some form of "daddy issues".
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[deleted] 8y ago
I run with what Malcom x said. Half your age plus 7.
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Half my age minus 7. Now we're talkin'.
Fedor_Gavnyukov 8y ago
i don't disagree that malcolm x said it, but i doubt he was the one that came up with it
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I read somewhere that he said that. Might be wrong. I've always associated that with him tho..
TheReformist94 8y ago
No offence but you still spent £300 and you are beta bucks. I fuck chicks for free
Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
So do I. I bought her the makeup crap after I was already with her.
justinwatt 8y ago
Hardly. Who is to say he needed 300 to fuck her? You are assuming that because he did something nice, one time, that the entire basis of his success is his finances. It's not. 300 dollars is nothing to the dude as I read it.
Living your life trapped in the position where you are evaluating every decision you and others around you make as alpha or beta, is beta as fuck.
You think lions walk around evaluating their behavior? They do lion shit. If one day the lion wavts to let some lion skank eat the majority of a kill, who are you to say he's a beta? Maybe the motherfucker is just full.
Furthermore, he's not coming in here asking questions or begging for help. He's got a family, side plates, money etc. he's not sweating shit. It seems to me the dude is interested in the philosophy of the red pill from a development perspective, but he's hardly some lost puppy. He's trying to share knowledge with a community of people who clearly seek it.
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Coach-Red-Pill 8y ago
Absolutely Goddamned Right. All decisions are contextual.
Ask yourself, who is more “alpha”: The guy who acts “beta” on occasion in order to get what he wants? Or the guy who is relentlessly “alpha”—and fails to get what he wants.