The data from a large study of grip strength was made into a graph that shows "Almost all men are stronger than almost all women."
This graph is an excellent way to visualize gender difference in strength, and makes an excellent rebuttal to those who would minimize physical differences between men and women.
Study notes
Grip strength is an index of upper body strength. Each point is one person. Sample size = 7064.
Data are from the US National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) 2011-2012: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nhanes/nhanes2011-2012/overview_g.htm
NHANES is a representative sample of the US noninstitutionalized civilian resident population of the United States. It utilizes a complex, multistage, probability sampling design. The sizes of the symbols represent the sampling weights.
The grip strength variables are described here: http://wwwn.cdc.gov/nchs/nhanes/2011-2012/MGX_G.htm
Controlling for age, height, and weight, the adult female mean is 23.3 kg less than the adult male mean (without controlling for height and weight, the female mean is 33.8 kg less than the male mean). Adult: 18-60. Some of the very low values are individuals with disabilities (this is a nationally representative sample).
In these NHANES data, 84% of adult men have a combined group strength that is greater than the 95% percentile for adult women. Grip strength is a decent proxy for upper and lower limb strength, and is also correlated with other indices of strength.
roskybosky 7y ago
Nobody has ever said women are as strong as men. Men naturally have more muscle, but this is a natural occurrence, not an accomplishment. A woman can make people in her body-men can't. This is a natural function, not an accomplishment. I don't believe you can take credit for things you were born to naturally, like red hair, etc.
FortunateBum 7y ago
Nice to know scientific research supports this.
I once said this in class, many many years ago, and every woman there jumped down my throat, thinking my statement absolutely ridiculous.
trp_angry_dwarf 7y ago
But gender is only a social construct!
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slay_it_forward 7y ago
Sexual dimorphism ftw. Women can have decent lower body strength, although their legs look more powerful than they actually are from the fat storage in their thighs that is used to nourish babies.
Where the real strength difference shows up is in the upper body. I could not workout out for a year, show up at a gym and do a standing overhead press barbell press of 135 lbs. A woman might be able to do half of that.
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
Don't buy this because:
[deleted] 7y ago
He meant female thighs look stronger than they are due to higher female bodyfat percentages. Females store fat for the reason noted above, to act as reserve fuel for a pregnancy and/or to nourish a child better during lean times
AcrossHallowedGround 7y ago
I think he means their legs look stronger because of the extra BF% that women have. That extra fat is for babies, largely. Not that the fat located on her thigh is the only fat used for babies.
OmegaMan2 7y ago
There was a study done not too long ago which determined that a fat arse and thighs are required for a baby's health. While you are correct in that fat is used up uniformly the fact is that women accumulate more fat on their arse and thighs than anywhere else.
slay_it_forward 7y ago
I saw a study that showed women who had fatter asses (and thighs) had more intelligent children. The fat stored in that area is used for babies. How exactly it works I don't know.
Pimpjuice2 7y ago
Fat ass = wider hips = bigger the brain that can pop out
Jk
Girls with abnormally big butts have a higher natural omega 3 production which leads more neuron density.
Prob why our reptile Brains can't help but hills when we see a fat ass
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aanarchist 7y ago
gender is a limiting belief.
AcrossHallowedGround 7y ago
I like the sentiment, but how so?
Harlenrow 7y ago
Greeks had, for example, a very flexible disposition towards the concepts of gender and sexual orientation. Their society was arguably the most developed.
AcrossHallowedGround 7y ago
The thought of a flexible -- not fluid -- gender sits well with me. I have a very unstable personality, so maybe I'm not a good benchmark, but mine varies wildly. Sex is obviously biological, 'predetermined,' and has an impact on gender.
If you're defining gender as the way someone interacts with the world, then that is definitely not set in stone.
HiGuysiamkewl 7y ago
Did we really need the math behind it though? Just look at any sport, or Olympic events. Even the best female athletes aren't as good as an average male athlete
EatmyShorts59 7y ago
That's what I was thinking.
How is this new/groundbreaking ?
Are there people out there who are really arguing against, such obvious facts?
Men are stronger, this is nature.
[deleted] 7y ago
I did laugh at the original thread where the author tried to claim that grip strength was a good indicator of leg strength as well.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 7y ago
He said it is a good proxy for lower body strength and (iirc) cited reasons why. Grip strength is a quick and uniform test in a large (N>7,500) study. Adding bench presses would at minimum double the cost of data collection, but it's debatable that it would make the outcome of the study twice as good.
Geenafalopezz 7y ago
I like that men are physically stronger than me. But then again, I really love a manly man who can get his hands dirty and watch raw strength and power expel out of a man. I love watching a man put his strength and mind to work and watch his plans come together. I can really appreciate a man who can do that. I've watched my husband lift a fridge onto the bed of our truck. A fucking fridge!! I can barely carry a case of waters! Lol! I don't mind admitting that my husband could seriously do some damage to me in a fight or that he can outrun me. I actually love that. I'm respectful enough to where I know he won't and I wouldn't ever think to put my hands on him. I'm not saying a woman gets beat because she's disrespectful every time. Some men take advantage of their strength and are abusive and there is no denying that. As a women I like to challenge my own self to be stronger, to test my limits. It has nothing to do with showing men up. I just really don't care about that and I wish women would just stop trying so hard to prove themselves. It's embarrassing. I had a coworker tell me that if I go play life size Jenga with them after work that I need to be on the girl power side and not let the boys win. I was like......... Ummmmm...... If I win, I win. I'm not going to go out of my way to prove that I'm better than a man in a stupid game of Jenga. Why can't we just celebrate ourselves for who we are and what we have to offer? When will this stupid endless fucking debate be over?
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Sdom1 7y ago
Most women haven't ever felt a man's power. They've never had to fight a man, for example. They've never taken a punch that numbs you even if you block it, nevermind if it connects. They've never had to grapple with a man, which for them isn't much easier than it would be for a man to wrestle a chimp.
whatsazipper 7y ago
Plenty of bluepill men refuse to acknowledge reality because they're subscribed to a belief system that demands they believe otherwise. It's weird to interact with them. It's like going through life telling other people that fire is cold. It doesn't make any sense and it's easily refuted, but they believe it nonetheless.
[deleted] 7y ago
Someone or a group of scientists really had to waste money from a research budget to really figure this out? Wow.
Seriously, just LOOK at the size of most girls arms/muscle definition and overall physical size. It's pretty clear that they aren't as strong as men. That's why they get separate sports leagues and compete amongst their own sex in the olympics.
It seriously pisses me off that CDC even wasted time doing "research" on this.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 7y ago
Opinions are one thing, but objectively quantifying the elements of one's beliefs and opinions strengthens the objectively good ones, and helps us reject the bad ones that may be appealing on the surface.
Compiling hard actuarial data into a scatterplot like this communicates and quantifies gender strength differences in a flash, and in a manner that explaining it 1,000 times and ways using only words simply cannot communicate.
RedBigMan 7y ago
The thing that impresses me is... even for those participants who are 80+ (all those over 80 had their age set to 80 for the scatterplot so some of those dudes could have been 90 or 100 even) are still for the most part stronger than women in their prime (like 20-30 year olds).
ReddittFeist 7y ago
LOL for a summary of why women couldn't even begin to be competitive with men, have a look at this article:
https://www.theguardian.com/observer/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html
The fact that Williams sisters calculated they could take on a male player ranked 200 already shows the huge differences in performance between men & women. The fact that a guy ranked 203 could skunk them says it even better.
trpthroway123 7y ago
TL:DR; Braasch destroyed them, back-to-back, half drunk and smoking cigarettes, after playing a game of golf. Doubted they could beat any man in the top 500.
Reminds me of how the US woman's national soccer team was destroyed 8-2 by the under 17 boys team. (The USWNT went on to win gold at the olympics, 3 months later, they were the top female team at the time)
And, more recently, the USWNT lost 5-1 to a under-15 regional boys team...
Boys that aren't old enough for a learner's permit, that aren't good enough to make a national team, can destroy the best female players in the world. It's amazing what an advantage males have physically.
Brewjo 7y ago
Ha, grinds my gears when I see these women trying to control their boys with shouting, threats and physical violence....
These boys are often a year or less away from hitting puberty and this is the standard she's setting?
When he ends up mimicking her behavior and suddenly has less control of behavior and twice her strength... someone is going to be put through a wall.
RedBigMan 7y ago
I theorise this is exactly why governments and academics are trying to get rid of spanking/corporal punishment of children. When a vast majority of parents are 'single mothers' what happens when spanking suddenly gets laughed off by young boys? Or worse those young boys realise they don't have to take it and hit back.
So they tie men's hands because it used to be those boys would be held in check because she always had the trump card of 'Wait till your father gets home' but single mothers don't have that trump card.
I'm sure everyone from the last generation can remember the time their mother last used physical punishment to try to control them.
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Do you have a link to support your claims?
trpthroway123 7y ago
2012, 8-2 for the teenage U17 boys: http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/uswnt-vs-u-17-usmnt.1939180/ , before the USWNT went on to win gold at the 2012 olympics in London.. Discussion in that thread is a nice read, few comments about how the world's top women are about on par with the U13 boys...
5-1 for the u15's :https://andagain.websitetoolbox.com/post/uswnt-no-match-for-so-cal-boys-odp-3256939
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The NFL, NBA, NHL, and PGA all allow women to join.
That fact should tell you enough. Women can't even compete with men in golf. GOLF! The most non-sport that ever sported.
RedBigMan 7y ago
Amateur level bowling lets women compete but at professional levels it gets gender segregated too and that's even less of a sport than golf because you can see 300 pound fat dudes doing it because it's like hold a 16 pound ball and take 5 steps and throw.
[deleted] 7y ago
I think women just don't have such a need to be winners as men.
Women don't want to win, they just want to date the winners.
renzy77 7y ago
The flip side of this though, is that what women lack in physical strength, they more than make up for with their ability to manipulate people. As Schopenhauer states in On Women:
As is often stated on this forum, men evolved to manipulate the environment. Women evolved to manipulate men.
Orbiter42 7y ago
i'm of the opinion that females aren't really more cunning, as much as men are discouraged from trusting their instincts. after decades of doing as i was told, i was very aware, that this never worked out for me, and prevented me from developing my own male-based intuition,
for instance, if you look up the definition of "pervert," it means to distract one from their moral compass. so a dude can be sitting their, minding his own business, some female can walk by him enough to cause a draft, as a man, he has a need to be aware of his environment, so he notices this female walk by, stop, put on a show, then she walks over to her friends, and talks about the pervert that couldn't stop watching her, when he did absolutely nothing. that doesn't mean the dude doesn't have a true sense of whats really happening, its just that society, will support the woman's version over his. this prevents most men from enjoying their own instincts as a source of power, while making men take the responsibility of female perversion
FarfromaHero40 7y ago
He was a red-piller (probably MGTOW), way before it's time. Philosophy, ftw -> "With girls, Nature has had, in view what is called in a dramatic sense, a “striking effect,” for she endows them for a few years with a richness of beauty and a, fullness of charm at the expense of the rest of their lives; so that they may during these years ensnare the fantasy of a man to such a degree as to make him rush into taking the honourable care of them, in some kind of form, for a lifetime—a step which would not seem sufficiently justified if he only considered the matter." Mic drop
Bearhardy 7y ago
That link should be in the side bar, absolutely required reading.
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KartagoPill 7y ago
So if I outsmart women I will be top.
wimmyjales 7y ago
That's pretty much the thought that drives this sub, yeah.
vengefully_yours 7y ago
Capable of manipulation, but lacking foresight, they care only of the immediate not the abstract with all its possible outcomes. They rarely consider the consequences of their actions, only that they want this right now and will get it by any means.
Understanding the way they think, and realizing they're basically children no matter what age, they become putty on your hands....Unless you're an idiot.
RedPistola 7y ago
Any tips on how to exploit their childish nature?
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 7y ago
Yeah... all of them. Hit the sidebar.
vengefully_yours 7y ago
It's in the sidebar, but mainly treat them like kids, except you don't fuck kids.
playdontpay 7y ago
Oh I'm not so sure, I've had a few death grip handjobs in my time.
Thevoleman 7y ago
Your own hands don't count.
trpthroway123 7y ago
How many dudes were included in your sample?
playdontpay 7y ago
Haha zero unless a particularly convincing post op ladyboy slipped in there somehow.
redpillbanana 7y ago
IMAO all the "kick-ass girl power" videos and movies out there are giving women a false sense of confidence when it comes to fighting men. Most women are so much weaker than the average man; most men could simply hold a woman against a wall and they wouldn't be able to budge.
Here's a couple of real-life videos which demonstrate what happens when women try to fight men:
RedBigMan 7y ago
Exactly... Women and girls watch these movies and TV shows where girls are kicking guys asses all the time... what they don't get in their heads is that it's all imaginary and the fights are heavily choreographed to look awesome and it's more like a dance routine than a fight. Plus all the hollywood movie magic behind things like yanking someone across the room to make it look like the kick sent them flying 30 feet.
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Oh my god, those girls in the last video suck at rushing more than silvers in CSGO.
So much hesitation and doubt.
GroundhogLiberator 7y ago
These videos always make me laugh. I'm in very good shape but I'd say 90% of stronger/heavier/taller/better-trained men could kick my ass, and in a 2-on-1 situation, I'd get the absolute shit beat out of me.
But me against 5 women? I'd basically be Jason Bourne.
yomo86 7y ago
This is a mind thing as well, we did some sparring with comanding female soldiers, some of them were very well trained in CQC so for us recruits it was, from a sane perspective, a wise thing to not get into too much of a fight with them.
But the adrenaline rush that you feel when fighting a man which triggers the flight instead of the fight mechanism is somehow simply not there. Some got beaten up. Some ended in a detention cell because the sparring turned really violent.
Sdom1 7y ago
Meaning they'll get their asses handed to them by a halfway trained man. They're not only smaller and weaker, they're slower and their bones and muscles are less dense, meaning they can't take a punch like a man can. You hit even a very tough woman on the button and she's gone.
Duchenne4089 7y ago
That's the thing, doesn't matter how well trained they are, all you need is one punch.
Sdom1 7y ago
If it's on the button, yeah. If they are covering up you'll have to hit them several times. The thing is that they aren't as quick and coordinated so they can't really slip and dodge that well, and are easy to catch. So, they have to cover up and go totally defensive, which leaves them open to getting taken down to the ground or (in my case) breaking their leg with a roundhouse kick.
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The amount of delusion involved with feminism is pretty astonishing, actually, with the 'social construct', 'patriarchy theory' and 'rape culture' delusions being top of the list.
World's strongest woman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF-YeWnIJfU http://www.sciencevsfeminism.com/the-myth-of-equality/sex-differences-physical-ability/
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But that is just one study and a graph made by one redditor. Far from enough to fight a Narrative that downplays sex differences in academia and recognized public sources of knowledge, while celebrating the idea of superiority of women in popular media and shutting down any dissent through outrage.
Your lifestyle is at risk if you dare fighting the Narrative. Don't attempt making "rebuttals". Just nod and change the conversation topic. Blend in. Law 38.
NaughtyFred 7y ago
Having studied biology at college I can tell you the only real physiological superiority women have compared to men is:
Greater inter-connectivity between brain hemispheres which is theorised as accounting for womens superior verbal skills and greater ability to multi-task compared to men.
Marginally more efficient immune system (makes sense that the gender carrying the offspring would be more resistant to disease)
Everything else they say they are superior in is bullshit.
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I find this to be really interesting, because I hear about women bitching about being sick all the time. Social media check-ins to hospitals, being bed-ridden for days etc.. I never hear guys talk about this stuff unless they were in a severe accident of some kind
But honestly, it's probably all for attention. Lots of women smash their phones "by accident" too lol.
RedBigMan 7y ago
Have you ever seen a woman trying to multitask... You do every day on the road when they're on their phones, talking and driving and trying to put on make up while changing the radio station and wrapping their car around a pole. /s
ReddittFeist 7y ago
There are certain watersports women have natural advantages in and are competitive with men, esp. long-distance open water swimming. Many records were set by women, and many are still held by women. Women have also set numerous freediving records.
Can't think of any other sport where they're competitive with men.
Thevoleman 7y ago
Maybe it's just a higher body fat %, making women more buoyant, thus they don't waste as much energy as men in watersports.
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Swoledinger 7y ago
Any useful links? As of 2012 it looks like the 24th best man (out of 25) would have won gold in women's by 3 minutes? In fact only 1 man wouldn't have won women's gold for distance open water swims.
https://www.olympic.org/london-2012/swimming/marathon-10km-men https://www.olympic.org/london-2012/swimming/marathon-10km-women
In free diving I see 1 event where a woman holds the record.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freediving
ReddittFeist 7y ago
You're right, the events I was talking about are extreme open water crossings, like swimming across Lake Ontario, the Catalina channel in California, or the English Channel. Women are not competitive in events like the 10k.
In the early days of freediving women set many records, in the depth events, that were records for boh men & women. That is changing now. The limitations on records seem to be changing from training and technological advances to how gonzo a guy is willing to be, i.e. how much he is willing to risk to win. Guys win in that area. Herbert Nitsch, the current no-limits record holder almost killed himself getting there:
https://www.deeperblue.com/herbert-nitsch-talks-about-his-fateful-dive-and-recovery/
maje5678 7y ago
Horse racing cause women weigh less
ReddittFeist 7y ago
Women have set some records, but not many. There are a lot of opportunities since there are so many small, ectomorph women. The problem is, to succeed, strength-to-weight ratio is key, and men beat the women hands-down in that area. Some of the hardest-fought race events go without any women qualifying some years.
Statistically, horse racing is one of the most dangerous sports. Worldwide, several jockeys get killed or taken out of competition by catastrophic injuries every year. An issue that political correctness is keeping out of the public eye is that women are being killed, and catastrophically injured, in disproportionate numbers. When shit goes south, strength and reaction time, two areas in which men excel, can make the difference between coming out in one piece or disaster.
Have a look here:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/four-in-14-months-why-are-so-many-female-jockeys-dying-on-during-horse-races/news-story/5480ebd22fd195ccd6c7101d64ab829f
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I've read the study for point 1. I'd say it is more a liability. Men have more of a parallel system with emotion and logic more separate. Women have spaghetti, explaining much of their inability to separate anything from their emotional state at the time.
NaughtyFred 7y ago
All biological designs are a tradeoff between benefit and liability.
A shoulder joint has incredible range of motion at the expense of structural integrity, you wouldn't classify having shoulders as a liability.
exit_sandman 7y ago
This.
Men have to work for sex (bummer.). As a consequence, men are strongly incentivized to be productive, which makes them (on average) better at being productive.
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I hope you don't mean design literally.
Also what you said is true to a point. The female brain is great at emotional manipulation of men and kids and other women sometimes. In "physics land" it is inferior in most ways.
I agree about trade offs but also there is the random component of mutation. A "design" can be objectively bad simply because the mutations to improve did not occur. Also it does not keep pace with other changes. Here we have the female environment and niche changing rapidly. It's probably why the middle aged women where I work seem to hate their life/job.
probpoopin 7y ago
With a degree in biology, which I'm now doubting you even hold, because I actually have one. The reason they live longer is because they have xy chromosomes. Men only have 2x's. So, women are much less prone to genetic disease because they essentially have a back up chromosome for when the one fucks up. Men also have his thing called testosterone. Which is great to have when you are young, but as you age, it takes a toll. For this reason, it is well documented that eunuchs have a much higher life expectancy than their attached male counterparts. If fat storage helped you live longer, fat people would be the oldest most healthy people. However, we know this isn't the case. Maybe you should go back and talk to your professors, because they did a terrible job teaching you genetics and physiology.
ECTD 7y ago
Lmao moron, men are the ones with XY chromosomes, women with XX, and the expression of which doesn't have a 'fallback' (which is a naive assumption BTW).
quote: "In a new paper, researchers from Ghent University in Belgium argue these sex-specific health disparities may be due, at least in part, to tiny pieces of genetic material called microRNAs. The main function of microRNAs in cells is to turn off, or "silence," specific genes. The researchers say microRNAs located on the female X chromosome may give women an immune system advantage over males."
Also, the fat storage situation was illuminated to only be the case for surviving longer in starvation circumstances, not the entire life span. facepalm.
I don't have a degree but I can certainly critically think...
probpoopin 7y ago
Oh, so I brain farted and got them mixed up. Sorry, but to say that this isn't the main reason, and highlight something else, is asinine.
ECTD 7y ago
The point was having something better than men that wasn't physical strength. He highlighted the point, you poorly rebutted with a misconception, I quoted a source that shows a point he brought up, or someone else in the thread (control-f "immunity" if you care so much). Also, I didn't diverge from the topic, you clearly cannot focus long enough to make the connection that: something-better-than-men--->better immunity/increased likelihood of survival in starvation situations---->source the justifies point 1 in addition to a comment about your misconception
That's what my post included. Saying i'm asinine is a joke because you don't remember the basics nor did you recognize the connections between the entirety of the chain of posts.
probpoopin 7y ago
Not really. But ok. Anyways, the immunity could still be correlated to the chromosomal difference as women wouldn't contract genetic diseases that are much more common in men. I just felt like the person was making this a single issue when it isn't. There are a few reasons why women live longer than men. The biggest is having a back up chromosome that protects them from common genetic disease that men often have, and not having testosterone like men, which has been shown to destroy dna and cause more problems in health. I don't know the exact reason why women have stronger immune systems. It could simply be that when pregnant they produce more antibodies. If you are going to say that is the reason, fine. But show sources that back up the claim and do so definitively or youre guessing.
The only point I was making, that women living longer has more one than one cause and isn't as simple as, they have more fat. There is a hell of a lot more to it. http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2013/02/is-testosterone-deadly.html
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 7y ago
Yeah, and not only that, he wrote "combinded" in the graph. The value here is seeing the data plotted the way it is. It's been said a thousand times and ways here on TRP that men are naturally stronger; the graph makes the point clearly and memorably with one glance.
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Interesting, almost all of that list showing 'women's superiority' are in fact false. Men are actually more intelligent than women, both in mean and in the upper tail. Women are not calmer under fire, they are not better computer programmers, as police they need to be armed because they cannot physically subdue a man who doesn't want to come (hence more likely to use their firearms), they are only better at handling pain during childbirth when they are flooded with hormones, they are not better at multitasking (nobody is better), they are not better leaders of companies, etc. But, that is the narrative everyone is supposed to believe. They do live longer, but that was not always the case, and they do have better immune systems. Also, women are better at navigating using landmarks? That one is hilarious!
interestedplayer 7y ago
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[deleted] 7y ago
Rubbish, we don't have parthenogenesis. Women cannot breed a living child any more than men can, it takes both sexes. Unfortunately, under feminist influence, they are generally not doing their part, and laws have been changed to discourage men from doing their part, hence society in decline.
[deleted] 7y ago
good, instead of trying to convince everyone how much better you are, go be better.
It's validation seeking behaviour to want everyone to agree with you, it's masculine to use your opinion to better yourself.
[deleted] 7y ago
I'm already better. And challenging falsehoods is something we should do.
[deleted] 7y ago
I really don't think you're listening. No one is convinced, especailly by words. Women aren't prone to intellectual truth-discovery conversations anyways. They use the correct combination of words to elicit an emotional response. Truth isn't a factor.
Challenge them all you want. All you're going to get (Law of Power, and Markus A's Meditations) is grudging silence and resentment from the other party.
There is no outcome where you talk someone into submission and come out ahead.
[deleted] 7y ago
We're not talking to women here though.
This is a very male-heavy forum. Where intellectual truth-discovery is valued.
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I agree, but then I am not talking to women. And you say that women aren't prone to intellectual truth-discovery (which is partially true, I have certainly met exceptions), and I agree with that too, but it isn't the truth part that they respond to, it is not being a pushover that they respond to. Too many men either say nothing when being told bullshit, or actually go along with it (look at 'male feminists'), so that women are not used to having their stupider notions challenged. It is the challenge part, rather than the truth part, that is important.
But as I say, I'm not talking to women here, I am talking to men who may follow that link. Men can be convinced by argument.
I think one of the central things society has to learn is that women have to be made to bear the costs of feminism. So far, men have borne them. That is already changing (because marriage rates are plummeting), but there is also a strong argument to be made to end co-education. Separate universities for women, separate lower schools. No women teaching in boys schools or men's universities. Women will certainly suffer from this and men will gain. Once women bear the costs they will tear down feminism. This is a woman problem, men need to pass it back to them. Will that happen? I doubt it, but it certainly won't so long as nobody even mentions the idea.
[deleted] 7y ago
Men, yes. Nu-males are just as emotional and validation seeking as women are.
Either way, if you want a man to listen to you, he has to respect you. That comes with action and success. Basically, you're still having to stfu and act.
As for the rest, keep waging your crusade, I wish you luck. Just remember, the market can say irrational longer than you can stay solvent
[deleted] 7y ago
Even with this proof, some idiotic women like Ronda Rousey still think they can beat the best men in their sport (ex: Connor McGregor).
PineappleBoss 7y ago
Or may weather. Remember that bullshit n
Sdom1 7y ago
There is video of her grappling with Gegard Moussassi where he absolutely toys with her. It was obvious he wasn't even trying.
RedEyesBlueShades 7y ago
Show this to any old person, man OR woman, and they'll look at you like you're from Mars.
It's sad that we need to spend taxpayer dollars to rediscover the wheel and hot water.
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Tre_Walker 7y ago
And our big story tonight is water is actually wet! WTF is the purpose of this story?
And how does it relate to TRP? Look at me I am a man and am stronger than most women. The only thing I can think of when I see this info is feminists always use this to justify female violence, manipulation of the court system, and why women should be given advantages by society. Violent women can hit men and white knights should jump up because "men are stronger than women"
whatsazipper 7y ago
It affects services like law enforcement, the military, fire & rescue, etc. Believe it or not, the dominant train of thought through educated society is that women and men are for all purposes interchangeable. Some concrete evidence to the contrary that they can't simply push away might be useful when preventing them from harming others.
Geenafalopezz 7y ago
I thought this too. Okay men are stronger than women physically. So what? What's your point OP? This is why theredpill has a bad rep in my opinion. Physical strength doesn't determine your worth as a man. Your worth is determined on your integrity and emotional strength.
RICCIedm 7y ago
Using only upper body strenght is rigging it...
boscoist 7y ago
Ok, my trainer had me train with his top girl last week becuase he double booked (hes about to be fired). In deadlifts she's his most fit client, I hadnt done much of any leg exercise in over a year due to chronic injury. She was barely able to hit 275. I hit 255 day 1.. Afterwards we did bench press and she could barely do 125. I made up to 185, and im not in great shape. I'd say it holds up for lower body, in the study I'd guess they avoided the lower extremities due to the ongoing perception that deadlifts and squats cause injury.
RICCIedm 7y ago
In your case, from being 10% less strong than her (lower body) to 50% stronger in upper body. This only shows that it surely matters to include all kinds of exercises to measure men/women's overall strenght.
Ofc men are still way stronger with the legs too (you were untrained etc).. But now you see the importance of getting accurate results.
Sdom1 7y ago
Lower body strength disparity isn't as great, but is still substantial. If you doubt me, go look at world records in powerlifting for any lower body oriented lift and tell me where all the women are. Then, compare women's record holders to men's. Then go slap yourself in the face for being so fucking stupid when you could have easily figured this out for yourself.
RICCIedm 7y ago
Using only upper body strenght is rigging it. Doesn't matter that men are stronger in both of them. If they used ONLY LOWER BODY strenght, It would be a shitty study as well, and it would appear that women are closer to being as strong as men from the actual reality. I'm sorry that you can only do levei 1 thinking.