These are the girls that guys are taking out on nice dates, paying for dinner, drinks and whatever else, in hopes of charming her into a relationship, or if he's really naive; sex.
"At first, when Cathy Smith told a guy over dinner that their date was one of 31 she planned to go on that month — yes, that’s literally every single day — he was a little pissed off.
He was the only guy Smith told about her “Operation: No Pay May,” which, after she dated guys every day for weeks, had evolved into a social experiment, and she had been wanting a man’s view on it. “At first he was like, So you’re just using me?” Smith said. “And then it became a competition: He wanted to compare his date to everyone else’s date.”
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But if there is anything that Cathy Smith has learned during the course of Operation: No Pay, it’s about how deeply seated gender roles really are, and that in almost every case, they don’t change. Smith decided to take on this relatively crazy life experience after her friends challenged her to download online dating apps and see if 31 dates in 31 days could even be done. Turns out, uh, yeah — quite easily, actually, Smith said.
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Here are the rules for No Pay, some of which are simply based on society’s conventional dating rules in general: Smith can’t date anyone she would never normally date just because he asks her out, like a guy with kids or a guy just trying to hit it and quit it, or a short guy. She can’t fill in any nights with a “guy friend” or ex-boyfriend; that would be cheating. She can offer to pay — but if she does, then it can’t count. And last, she originally told herself she can’t tell any of these men that their date is part of “No Pay May,” because let’s be real, what guy is going to understand a) why she’s doing this and b) that she swears she isn’t using them for the free food? (But, well, it is a great bonus, she admits.)
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“They either want to casually hook up, or they think you’re already dating — after one date. There’s no middle ground,” Smith said. “There’s no, let’s just go out with this cute girl and see what happens. That’s how a date should be. But they overthink things so much.”
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[after one guy expected to split the bill]
“I didn’t like him enough to pursue a second date,” Smith said. “If you’re not willing to be generous enough to spend $10 on me, I don’t know, that was my thing. Maybe that’s wrong, but I have 30 other men who are willing to do that.”
Red_Brain 7y ago
There's a website for this experiment, it's at www.nopaymay.co
VasiliyZaitzev 7y ago
Bullshit. That's a lie she's telling herself. She's as much of a food hooker as our old friend, Jessica Sporty, who described getting guys to pay for her to eat at restaurants she could not otherwise afford was her own "Sex and The City", and that if a guy had ever asked her to split the check, she would have thought, "Well that's not very traditional", while hamstering away that needing a spreadsheet to keep track of which guys you've fleeced for expensive dinners somehow is ok.
JamesSkepp 7y ago
Operation "No Fucks Given": Houston man goes 31 pumps'N'dumps in 31 days via Tinder.
BTW: gentelman, you have my (and should give it to yourself) permission to treat any and all woman as sexual objects ONLY, without any regard for her feelings, opinions and other irrelevant stuff.
Here are the rules:
ANY converstion has to have sexual context. (you say "the current interest rates of china are a threat to small buissness in south east asia" while visualizing fucking her - this is FYI how you create sub-communication).
ANY interaction must end in either pushing things "FORWARD" (open>push for meet> push for pull to your place. etc) OR if she refuses "HARD NEXT" (dump her then and there, no reason, no explanation, no contact). IOW she has to experience "I'll either let him escalate or he'll next me".
ANY "hard next" must be followed by immediately (as soon as it it possble in your context) switching to next hot girl in your sight (use "hey newgirl meet my sister oldgirl" in club/pub - works/tested - social proof for new, competition/withdrawal for old).
Repeat.
"Maybe that’s wrong, but I have 30 other women who are willing to do that.”
mugatucrazypills 7y ago
I'm stealing this line. Agree and amplify. It works on many levels. It says 1) no I'm not going to engage in a dialog with your hamster. 2) I'm not going to argue with you using logic because you're a mental child. 3) I'm going to make the most basic appeal to the way you actually think ... which is feminine-hivemind approval (& by the way if you dont' agree with what all the other girls are doing you're letting down team woman)
n~30 is basically the point in statistics where things become meaningful actual
Newdist2 7y ago
Jones can’t date anyone he would never normally date, like a girl with kids or a gold digger, or a fat girl.
juliusstreicher 7y ago
Operation ROFLMAO now operational!
ChadThundercockII 7y ago
Of course, this on ooooonly a social experiment, right guys, right?
lol
icecow 7y ago
Women are above coincidences.
i_forget_my_userids 7y ago
It would be more fun to have dinner and skip out on the bill if she doesn't feel dtf.
Kumrag 7y ago
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TedTheAtheist 7y ago
Have you ever done this? How would you begin such a conversation?
recon_johnny 7y ago
I have done this.
Woman was a cunt. Back in my BP days, even then I knew this shit wasn't going to fly. Had a setup date, she wasn't what I was looking for--was an 40+yr hispanic woman with kids. Body 6, face 6. I was 45 or so at the time. Good shape, even clothes were on point, but beta as fucking hell.
She said to me "yeah, there's no sparks"--meaning you can't negotiate attraction. She ordered ahi appetizers, fancy women drinks. Cost was $80. I told her where I parked, she said that was a towaway zone. So, I walked in front, told them where I was sitting, said I'm out, here's $30 to cover my food and drink plus a decent tip.
Fuck her. I paid my share, she could do the same. Never talked to her again, and yes, everyone said I was a dick for doing it.
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No, recon_johnny you did great!
TedTheAtheist 7y ago
Dude, you did awesome.
I paid for the meal but I told her to get out of my car and find her own way home.
Rynolz 7y ago
Hell yes. I put a bitch out of my car in a downtown area. You should've seen the look on her face. Her brother picked her up I guess. She was hitting me up after three days no contact, she got fucked hard again very soon after we spoke ;)
They gotta play along or get the fuck on.
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TedTheAtheist 7y ago
Wait, but like, you'd pay your share, though, right?
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TerminalForm 7y ago
No, because he paid the woman with his time. If she doesn't reciprocate then she can expect a hard financial next as well.
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mikazee 7y ago
lol. It's literally called No Pay May.
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kofybean 7y ago
Please avoid the anger phase. Enlightenment shouldn't anger you, it should move you. Women say they don't do this, yet... here it is, documented and recorded for all to see. Just plan accordingly, but never let it control your feelings.
nicethingyoucanthave 7y ago
Nah dude, don't let this make you angry. Be happy that you're forewarned and prepared with strategies that will help you to avoid her.
That's it. That's the only rule you need to follow, and you'll never be bothered by this woman. Let her do her thing. Let stupid men buy her stuff. It doesn't affect you at all.
Want another TRP rule that will help?
What that means is that you should spread your effort over as many women as possible. (The term "plates" is often used to mean, "a girl I'm fucking" but the original meaning was simply talking to many girls at once, rather than focusing on any one - whether or not you're fucking) The point is, if you matched with this girl on tinder, you should ask her out for a drink or something (something free) and not let her pressure you into a dinner date. You should be talking to as many other women as possible, and if one of them insists on a dinner date or she wont meet up, then you just drop her.
EnlightenedViking 7y ago
Do you flat out tell them you don't spend money on girls you haven't had sex with?
nicethingyoucanthave 7y ago
Well no one has ever pressed me on the issue, but if they did I wouldn't explain myself. I really can't think of any upside to telling someone your rules.
The key thing is that I don't split the bill either. This is why it never comes up. If I've got a line on a girl, I don't invite her to a restaurant at dinner time. I invite her to meet up - a bar or even just a coffee shop. I look at a calendar and find something fun to do later, usually a band or something, and if we're having fun chatting, I'll offer to take her to it, if not I say goodbye.
This girl doing the blog writes repeatedly about how she hates being asked to "hang out" and that does kind of make sense - it sounds like "let's waste each other's time." So I'll probably be careful to avoid that wording. I bet that some of my past flakes were due to me asking the girl to hang out. Oh well.
I should also add that I break my own rules all the time. It's not a huge deal. If I pick a girl up cold (which hasn't happened in a while) and we're having a good time and we get hungry, sure, let's get some food, and sure, I'll pay. I just don't think that the traditional dinner date is a good idea anymore when you haven't yet had sex.
yomo86 7y ago
Don't.
There are little illusions which let her hamster work for you.
You could afford drinks for both of you but you arrived earlier and already ordered and paid and you have to drive... Sorry honey.
You want to get married... but your best friend had a bad divorce so you re-think the whole issue.
You want kids... but not right now (and she never asked about your vasectomy so no need to explain)
Never stab the hamster when it's running in your direction.
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Does providing transport count as spending money on her (gas)?
nicethingyoucanthave 7y ago
I shouldn't have stated it as an absolute, "never spend money." A more useful guideline is to not waste money ...or time. Don't give of yourself upfront and then hope that she'll reciprocate. Instead, invest a little (time and/or money) and expect a similar commitment from her in return.
In my opinion, if you're driving, then she's trusting you by getting into the car. And she's letting you lead (though that doesn't necessarily require driving). The point is, she's giving back. It's not much, but it's something.
Everybody focuses on penis-in-vagina sex. That's what we're after, right? For a lot of guys, they're plan is to throw time and money at a girl and then hope and pray that she says yes to sex.
There are lots of things that will happen before PiV sex - and I don't just mean other sex acts. The way she chooses to dress is an indicator of her commitment to you. It's time she's putting into the date. If she's laughing at your jokes, that's an indicator of emotional commitment (if you haven't made a girl laugh in the first few minutes of meeting her, she's just not that into you).
You can ramp up your investment in her as you get this feedback from her. When you're leaving a bar, if a girl's been eye-fucking you and touching you and there's been a lot of chemistry, go ahead and pay for the drinks. No problem. Even if you just got played, you still had a good time.
But if you read the linked blog, you'll see that some of the guys get nothing at all from her. They basically show up to a job interview and then pay for the privilege. That's a losing game. Check this one out. Zero connection. No attraction to him at all. She says he drops $50 on her. Then, "invites me to grab ice cream with him after, I deny because I made previous plans" - BWAHAHA!!
I started a post about her in PPD and I'll copy the conclusion here: A guy living in a culture where most women resemble Cathy needs to understand that the dinner date is over. Go ahead and be on Tinder if you like. Try to hook up with women. But if they insist on dinner, just move on. Cathy has a few guy friends that she occasionally has sex with. She met them through other friends. Your goal is to have a healthy social circle so that you can be those guy friends. Because "dating" and pretending that "courting" is still a thing is a recipe for failure.
EmbarrassingBoner 7y ago
So many Red Pill truths can be found in this entire sham.
dr_warlock 7y ago
1) Validation to women is just as good, if not better than sex (not relevant to below).
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2) Before agriculture, a man sometimes had to come back to a woman with a dead deer, proving he was able to hunt, thus provide food. This was a time where women couldn't just go to super market and buy it from the money acquired from a job. There was no supermarket. There was no money. There was no job (time served in exchange for money).
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A man's hunting ability actually had value because she could never do it herself due to being pregnant for most of her child bearing years (no contraception or pulling out). Even then, women aren't built for that. Seriously, look at this shit (persistence hunting AKA outrunning your prey). This is where your ancestors came from.
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Now the modern form of hunting in the concrete jungle is called a 'job'. After the industrial revolution, society has freed women from the limitations of their biology to 'hunt'. A woman's love means she needs you. But now she can hunt a deer too. But what good is your deer if she can get one herself? Hypergamy dictates she perceive you're better than her. Now to impress a woman with provisioning, you need to hunt 2+ deer instead of one to stand out. Your provisioning power is judged on a relative scale (%), not absolute. It's not like she makes 40k a year, then come up and say you make 41k and she will be intrigued.
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Conclusion: If you're not noticeably more financially successful, your provisioning won't impress her.
RedWinter88 7y ago
Good stuff here. Something your post reminds me of...
"Love is the feeling you get when you don't think you can do any better."
RedxDevil 7y ago
It'd take way more than one comment to properly detail, but it's kind of fascinating how changes in society and technology even in the past few hundred years (let alone milennia) affect human mating.
Personally i think that since overall society and technology change at an ever increasing rate, human biology/evolution is lagging behind, hence you see the disparities we describe here in the ol' red pill. You describe one and /u/vagbutters describes another, but there are myriad examples.
The world we live in today heavily devalues traditional gender roles on both sides. women have slowly but surely dropped the feminine expectations/skills/responsibilities, while still maintaining the old expectations in men for their responsibilities, in addition to sharing the old feminine ones with potential mates. Hence we have the solipsism of the article's subject having a stable job (likely making just as much as most of her dates) and yet expecting men to pay for her.
Red_August 7y ago
Keep in mind that it's generally agreed that the resources were brought back to the palaeolithic band for sharing thus ensuring the group's survival as hunting success would vary day to day for each hunter. Barney didn't bring back food for just Betty Rubble. Bigger game would also need to be shared when considering spoilage. Successful hunters and warriors would still need be selected for as bands would perish otherwise as a group. So definitely women chose correctly. The rules of selection still apply. Also, I would add in my opinion that special little extras would likely still be brought for some girls in order to barter an advantage over whatever alpha was in favour at the moment. Sex was bought. Actual proof of being a good hunter matters but also just having the tell-tale athletic looks of a "successful provisioner" and of a "successful warrior" apparently matters. Additionally, women also look at how men order themselves hierarchically amongst themselves as a strong indication of groupthink as to whom is the best.
vagbutters 7y ago
It's not just seeded in what provisions you can give, it's multi-faceted. She wants a man who can defend her, physically-- this primacy gets her turned on by men who are well-built, more so in an age where many men become fat and lazy.
It's interesting that you mention the industrial revolution. The Cult of Domesticity arose around that time to reinforce the gender roles that stupid feminists at the time were fighting. This supports your idea that women value financial stability.
dr_warlock 7y ago
Good find. The patriarchy was bound to not work because the financial incentive for more workers, consumers, and tax payers is too high. The industrial revolution changed the game forever, and it's never going back.
icecow 7y ago
When a date brings up eating have her choose the restaurant.
When check arrives direct it to her, "I enjoyed myself. Thank you for inviting me"
kofybean 7y ago
Its actually a refreshing read. I mean, her dating frustrations are absolutely a joy to witness. It is clear most guys are feeling her out, but since she's trying to use them for dates she just rushes to whoever is desperate enough to jump at her beck and call. So she's missing out on all the good guys and gets supremely frustrated that she's not getting many second dates (cuz guys aren't so dumb). Her most common frustration is guys no "planning" anything, but at the same time its obvious during the feeling out process she gives off really bad vibes. She has her friends do really creepy things like stalk the men and take their pictures, and she complains that she isn't getting to know people, but admits she doesn't respond to their messages. Her self destruction is refreshingly hilarious.
MuhTriggersGuise 7y ago
Totally. A woman has to jump through a ton of hoops proving she's worth a modicum of effort before I'll do anything more than meet for a drink. It's hilarious she thinks "All guys are like this" instead of recognizing the constant problem in every scenario is her.
RealMcGonzo 7y ago
Curious that she never ran into any seriously beta shrubberies who would ask for additional dates. Women have an almost supernatural ability to detect weakness.
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A great example of why covert contracts are to be avoided at all costs.When dating, get your return before you make a major investment.
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
Indeed... women don't change and men are forced to go along with it. It's not men that are hoping to pay on dates and hoping that she'll say no at the end of the night.
It's all just hamstering to manipulate guys into buying her a free meal.
Of course we fucking do, we're the ones that are paying!
If this dumb bitch wants to take me out for an expensive meal and try her best to charm her way into my pants, we'll see how she feels about my "let's just see what happens" attitude.
full_package 7y ago
If any of this is making you angry, check yourself, mates. While slightly delusional about some topics, she's quite honest about the dates.
If you're into online dating, her blog is a decent read into female brain.
jasonmiles2014 7y ago
And it is truly terrifying.
TheRedStoic 7y ago
Nothing new here. Plenty of girls I've had openly mention their meal tickets and support betas. This is standard. Hell, one of my acquainted spends the weekend afternoons working on his female friends cars for free. I was over when it happened a few Saturdays ago and wouldn't lift a finger. The result; she gave me her number as he complained that real men help women out.
Whatever, she got 5 hours of master tech service done on her car, drank free beer, and got to chill with me.
He got another round of laundry and more oil on his fingers, at least he got a hug goodbye.
This is the world women live in. Tinder meals are standard. They don't even need Tinder to do it.
PantsonFire1234 7y ago
Those broads are right about the overthinking part though. If your constantly engaging women with the idea of fucking or LTRing things will sting for you.
Every women I was successful with pre-TRP and even now came from a moment of spontaneous fun and no expectations.
Here's the joke though. THE MOMENT you stop having expectations and try to enjoy the moment, she's all sold and all ready to expect a truckload from you.
Sdom1 7y ago
Her blog is interesting and reinforces RP thought. Take this quote, which I'm going to break into parts because there's so much here:
Women lie to themselves quite a bit, as do men. See, she's already checked her box off, has her date for the day. She doesn't really like spending time with him (the anal rape story didn't help) and then she basically does a time/compensation calculation like a lawyer tabulating billable hours. So what are you really doing here? You don't like spending time with him and don't really want a second coffee.
Interesting question, even more so in light of the fact that you're allowing your time to be bought for a soy latte. If only there were an answer somewhere else in your post. I'm sure I'll find it.
Huh? What?
DING DING DING! We have a winner. So let this be a lesson to everyone - lift weights and dress really well. If you can be tall it's a nice bonus.
kofybean 7y ago
I saw that too. She takes offense at men treating women like they're quick and easy, yet that is the entire point of her "social experiment" towards men... that they are quick and easy... and bio-wallets.
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Remember, gents:
Women are just fine with "women's liberation". They are fine with being free to have sex with whomever they want, whenever and wherever they want, for whatever reasons they want. But when you get all the way down to it, women still expect men to adhere to very traditional gender roles -- including provisioning (even if she outearns him) and exclusivity (even if she cheats on him).
RedxDevil 7y ago
This is the catch-22 i've come to realize the more i've experienced the SMP.
On the same note, women as a collective complain about being treated as sex objects, yet the overwhelming majority of them expect not to have to bring anything to the table other than sex and their presence.
All the while, they expect the guy to be the main source of fun, to have useful skills and cool hobbies, to make more money than her, and to pay for these dates.
ChadThundercockII 7y ago
Oh fuck. That broad is skinny as fuck. It I wanted to bang boys, I would become a pedo. Maybe she really needs those meals after all.
etherealembryo 7y ago
Sounds like reverse pimping. She wants the 30 guys to give up what matters to us and she holds herself sacred. Why guys are so desperate is beyond me.
HAESisAMyth 7y ago
Reverse pimping?
Self-pimping?
Whoring?
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ChadThundercockII 7y ago
"social experiment" or how to eat for free for 31 days and save money.
Compare it with this:
but..but... this is clearly a case of learned misogyny/s
The hypocrisy and hamstering is strong with this one.
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MakeEmSayAyy 7y ago
But there's a base element that women like to be around men.
The fact that she has to SPEND TIME with men to earn this food shows that women deep down know they are inferior to men, even schlubs.
She knows that a man's company is worth more than hers. Although as men we undervalue our own time and women overplay theirs.
I wouldn't want to spend time with people in that situation, I'd rather go earn the money to pay for 31 dates than I would sit with someone I found lesser than me.
RedPistola 7y ago
Your analysis is inconsistent. The men are paying for the food, so they are paying for the woman's time, making her company more valuable than theirs.
Beta < Woman < Alpha
grewapair 7y ago
One of my ex friends uses Tinder like an ATM. She is very skilled at upselling. "Hey, how about a drink" is met with "I'm hungry."
If you suggest a restaurant, she'll suggest a nicer one. By nicer, I mean a minimum of $100. If you say no, she has 50 other eager betas willing to do it.
She doesn't really like men. What she likes is food. She has no money (she's a student), so she solves the inconsistency of her love for food with her lack of funds by using tinder.
There are almost never any second dates. She complained to me that she had to spend so much time on it. "Can't they just give me the money?"
She's had guys spend hundreds of dollars on her on a first date. Those guys do get a second date: only if it's another expensive dinner. One guy made the mistake of buying $1000 concert tickets (front row) for the second date. She no showed him.
Another guy made the mistake of inviting her to a museum. She had enough confidence in her ability to turn that into another expensive dinner. She showed up to the museum, told the guy she was too hungry to go in, he took her to dinner.
How do you screen for this? NO dinner on a first date. Maybe drinks, but at a venue that doesn't serve food. Don't be a beta.
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ChadThundercockII 7y ago
This makes me think that many guys could be riding on Harleys and Yamahas, but they choose to be beta bucks instead. What a shame.
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Calling it a Social experiment makes her feel extra special! It takes away all the guilt, because she is helping ALL people in her own little special.
[deleted] 7y ago
she's no different than the prank channels on youtube.
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You have no idea how much those prank channels piss me off. Like there is one where the guy steps on people's shoes. That's not a prank, that's being a jerk.
GetrichonIMP 7y ago
I never pay for a first date. Theres a chance i wont get laid if its one of the females who wait for a day 2. So I just say I forgot my wallet and tel her I have drinks at my place to make up for it. Sometimes it works.
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Tinder is a waste of time in my opinion. If you have to hunt, you've already lost. Put out bait and see what you catch. In the meantime keep improving yourself.
rpthrowaway4 7y ago
You could improve this with an example of bait you have used in the past.
[deleted] 7y ago
I could, but then I'd be helping lesser men to the pool of pussy I'd rather just keep for myself. No morals or compassion in the real world.
MuhTriggersGuise 7y ago
I'm just going to assume you put a worm on your dick and see what bites.
neo9960 7y ago
Lame... TRP is about helping each other. If you're just going say random shit and not provide examples from which others can learn from then fuck off.
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ChadThundercockII 7y ago
Wow dude... wow. Thanks for your contribution to this already fallen civilization. Keep up the good work.
[deleted] 7y ago
Yup, when it finally breaks, then it will be time to eat.
mikesteane 7y ago
“If you’re not willing to be generous enough to spend $10 on me, I don’t know, that was my thing. Maybe that’s wrong, but I have 30 other men who are willing to do that.”
15 other men. If you're willing to buy a woman's company, you only count as 1/2.
yomo86 7y ago
$10 for a 30 guy/month mileage? Damn girl I pay less leasing a Ford.
ThrowyMcGruder 7y ago
Oh. I'm sorry. I didn't know you were a prostitute.
MuhTriggersGuise 7y ago
How can a man not be able to say the exact same thing. "If you're not willing to be generous to pay for my meal, then I don't know." How the fuck does being female make it such that a person is cheap for not giving her a free meal?
Entropy-7 7y ago
The prostitute actually gives something in return for cash: what is she offering?
Manmore 7y ago
it's fraud.
oh wait, that's only for men pretending to have higher smv than they do
Entropy-7 7y ago
Funny, I just posted something about that in TRP regarding Irrational Confidence.
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Entropy-7 7y ago
I live in China. I generally make 2 to 5 times the salary of the girls I am dating and going out to dinner can range from inexpensive to cheap to ridiculously cheap. I meet them online and given that their English is not perfect it is rather transparent if they are looking for the proverbial free lunch.
However, if and when I get back to North America, given the existence of 31-31 No Pay type girls, it will be a Dutch treat all the way to the bedroom.
chris_sydney 7y ago
I've heard good things about China.
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after some small googling, she is working for H&R Block as Tax preparer.
Added: I never know any accountant is this creative.
Added 2:protips, don't date accountants.
Added 3: just look at how women set their standards and manipulative they are.
http://imgur.com/oNitQYr
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She also gave the guy , that did not pay , a nickname - "Cheap Ass" , yet nobody nicknamed her "Charitable Organization".
RealMcGonzo 7y ago
From her blog (a freaken gold mine of RP info):
Coffee and Android is almost a deal breaker.
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RedxDevil 7y ago
For real. Makes me genuinely curious how tall she is.
red-adherent 7y ago
This is a big day for me gentleman, this post didn't even anger me a little bit. Like not at all.
Anger stage finally vanquished after years!
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red-adherent 7y ago
You will internalize it then it's like yup, exactly what I expected!
FatFuckJay 7y ago
She's built like a 2"x4". Any loser wasting money on this is desperate on a level I've never known. http://nopaymay.co/
RedKnight1990 7y ago
From the site
" The “I’m looking for a wife” or the “I’m looking to get laid.” Why can’t men date a girl they like without the initial pressure of sex? Why do men only want to date when they’re “ready” for marriage? Are any of us really ever ready for marriage?I believe you can find someone you like, date them and see if it works out. If it doesn’t then it doesn’t. OR If it does then it does. Why do we all have to be CASUAL daters?"
I don't know what the fuck is being expressed here. Really, it's typical hamster bullshit. Why can't I be with a guy who wants to commit to a second date yet is laid-back about it but will get married when I want to.
There is very likable about this woman. She does not come across against charming at all. She seems forlorn at the dating is so diminished from its former self despite using all the tools that put dating into its current state. When you remove approach anxiety, get women (and some men) instant validation, and basically dehumanize the whole process, this is the end result. This is fruit that Feminism has sown.
verify_account 7y ago
Christ you triggered me. Here she's bitching about a guy taking her out for coffee because it's cheap. http://nopaymay.co/anal-bandit/
I'll stick to fucking college girls thanks.
Purecorrupt 7y ago
A lot of guys are into that. It's the body type they have in all those teenage movies. I personally know when I used to be really skinny that's all I was into.
My tolerance range has increased since I've gotten bigger and I'm not even a big guy.
RealMcGonzo 7y ago
Better a bean pole than a tatted-up, green haired, hippoglotumus with a nose ring. At least you know she's not going to have a stroke during sex, even if her tiny tits are hard as baseballs.
MuhTriggersGuise 7y ago
What an ugly body. She's built like an 11 year old with an eating disorder. Uh, can I get a woman please?
WeedDaddy 7y ago
This isn't the first place where I'd expect to see thin shaming.
MuhTriggersGuise 7y ago
Sorry I'm not attracted to women who remind me of young boys. My bad.
Blue-22 7y ago
I'd get the whole "social experiment" side of it...if not for the "I didn't like him enough to pursue a second date" comment. That just says your motive was to steal the guys' money.
If you want my time, you are paying your fair share.
beachbloke 7y ago
I'd be like "hey, I'll be right back. Gotta pee" and then make a B line right for the door. What an entitled brat.
tehwankingwalruses 7y ago
I've had a girl do that to me actually. Story time:
Took a girl out to one of my favorite pubs. Choose this spot because the flake chance seemed high with her, so I'd already be somewhere I wanted to be if she flaked. As the date goes on its clear we don't have chemistry and won't go anywhere. The check comes and I say separate checks please. She gets pissed about it. After a few minutes she excuses herself to the bathroom. After like 10 minutes, I am like wtf. 15 minutes later, I flag down the waitress I knew and was like is the girl I was sitting with still in the bathroom? The waitress checks and the girl is gone. So I let the manager know she ditched the bill, here is her name and cell phone number. They called her and said if she didn't come and pay the bill, they would call the police. Apparently she came back the next day to pay and made a huge deal about it. Asking, how could this place harass her like this?
triperfecta 7y ago
Nice one. I love hearing stories like this.
Mine:
Started chatting up a girl from a dating site and we decided to meet. We go to a restaurant, get to know each other, and have a nice meal. Check comes - I say we're splitting the bill. Her response?
"I don't have any money."
Her bag was on the table, so I casually picked it up, leaned back, and got really comfortable. Her phone and a bunch of other shit was in it. I took her purse out and handed it to her.
"You have an ATM card, right? I'll keep an eye on your bag. "
She physically moved her head back then forward again, like she was trying to avoid water from a spray bottle or something. It was supremely satisfying to see.
She said "Yes, ok.. " sheepishly, took her purse and left the restaurant. She was gone a good 15 minutes. I actually thought she'd sacrificed the bag, but she walked in eventually. She must've had a time of it looking for a machine.
She put half the bill on the table, then I did, and I gave her back her bag. We walked out together, said goodnight politely and never contacted each other again.
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askmrcia 7y ago
You're awesome for handling it that way. Can't believe she feels so entitled that she can't pay for herself. Ahhhh who am I kidding, of course I can believe that
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ChadThundercockII 7y ago
You are my new spirit animal. Well done bro.
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It would be awesome to reverse roles and ditch as the guy.. But give the girl a fake name "Chad T" lol..
Govedo13 7y ago
Been there, done that. Internet date, she used the myspace angle and a lot of fotoshop in her pics. So I just ordered a beer and went to the bathroom, then forgot to get back.
vagbutters 7y ago
Unfortunately most sexually frustrated/desperate beta males would put down their money and their life just for the affection of said entitled brat. The byproduct of a society where males have no positive male role models, and where they become cucks.
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I don't need to point out the hellfire that would come down if the roles were reversed and "short guy" was replaced with "fat girl".
kofybean 7y ago
That short guy remark is what drove me too.
RedBigMan 7y ago
Clearly Operation "No Fucks Given" needs a no fat chicks policy.
PantsonFire1234 7y ago
The only problem I've seen short guys make is that they date the wrong girls. They need a very short girl is all. I never date humongous tall girls, I leave that to the 7'0 footers.
Most girls that say "no short guys" are 5'10-6'0. Lets be real, those will never date a 5'9 or shorter under normal circumstances.
sirfuckboysupreme 7y ago
I wonder what would happen if you posted this article to a feminist board, swapping genders, short/fat, but with no source. I assume they would call the man a sexist pig? I mean, what sort of filth messes with 31 different women?
chris_sydney 7y ago
Where would you find 31 skinny women in usa?
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benuntu 7y ago
Yeah, it's more like "short guy" = "no tits".
foot_odor 7y ago
It's insane, like the girls who often put a height threshold for men in their Tinder profile when they look like shit. If guys started massively to do the same with girls' weight or boobs dimension the shitstorm would be at maximum scale.
icecow 7y ago
How bout, "No fat chics, medium tits O.K."
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Not if you're hot enough. If they want you, you could get away with murder.
Newdist2 7y ago
"You don't know women," Pippi said. "If they like you, you can piss in the sink. If they don't like you, you can make them the Queen of England and they'll shit on you." - Mario Puzo
MuhTriggersGuise 7y ago
This. I'm pretty tall, and it annoys the fuck out of me when women are like "Oooo it's soooo good you're so tall! I hate short guys!" First of all, not all women are like that, and second, it's obnoxious as fuck. Yeah woman, I'm totally going to bang you after you make it painfully obvious what a little troll you are /s.
On top of that, I'd really like the ability to filter women on dating apps by whether they have kids or not. I don't have kids. I will never have kids. I don't want to deal with someone else's kids. I don't care if we're just seeing each other casually, I just don't want to deal with people with little snot nosed shits in their life. It amazes me that a woman can filter on something so arbitrary and shallow (height), yet something so fundamental and central to a persons life (uh fucking children) isn't an option to filter.
EmbarrassingBoner 7y ago
The problem with this is, if you were to apply said filter, your match options would decrease by about 90%.
MuhTriggersGuise 7y ago
Good, less work for me. It isn't about quantity man.
Sdom1 7y ago
You mean, you have one of the physical traits she likes, and she tells you so as a form of compliment? The savage bitch!!!
It's like women complaining about how men like trim girls. This shit is hardwired, stop bitching about it.
MuhTriggersGuise 7y ago
The rude part is expressing hatred of short men, not the attraction of tall men. Interesting how you didn't even notice that part or that it didn't register as what may have been rude in the interaction. But you certainly are a dick about something you can't be bothered with reading comprehensively.
Sdom1 7y ago
I get that it's rude. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't give a fuck or let it somehow bruise your ego. I say this here all the damn time, but let me say it again:
Being a man boils down to one thing - strength. This is both mental and physical, and boils down to your ability to impose your will on the world around you and prevent the world from exercising its will on you.
If you get butt hurt that women prefer tall guys, that is a sign of weakness. That doesn't mean you can't be sexually successful, by the way. Some of the most successful puss hounds I have known were short guys. You just have to be strong.
MuhTriggersGuise 7y ago
How you deciphered a bruised ego or butthurt over my distaste for rude women is beyond me. Thanks for the rant about how you're impressing yourself upon the world in all your majestic glory. Are you done white knighting for obnoxious little cunts?
Sdom1 7y ago
Yeah, because you're totally not butthurt. I acknowledge it was rude. I am saying you shouldn't really care. I'm also saying that, just like us, women have hardwired physical preferences. Height is one of them, as being tall is a huge physical advantage for a man, especially when it comes to combat. Again, women are hardwired to seek strength, and height, or at least not being short, is part of that. Who gives a fuck if a girl states an obvious truth?
If you think my post is white knighting, you haven't seen a real white knight in action.
MuhTriggersGuise 7y ago
What do you think I'm butt hurt about? Being short?
Sdom1 7y ago
I don't know what you're butthurt about, but you have a reaction to this that is way too strong. You need to stop giving a fuck about what any one woman thinks or says or does. It's a sign of weakness. You most definitely still give a fuck, given your reaction here. You're angry and defensive. When a woman sees a guy reacting strongly to something like this, she pegs you for a loser who is bitter because he's been on the losing side a lot. Whether or not this is true, this is what will be perceived.
Game is like 90% signaling, if not more. You just have to understand the heuristics people use, at which point it's not hard to get what you want from them.
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MuhTriggersGuise 7y ago
I just don't get where I'm "caring" so much. All I said is it's annoying as shit. Oh my god! What a melt down! I'm like 90% certain he's just a troll (10% chance he's just really stupid), but still, good show.
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MuhTriggersGuise 7y ago
Because the whole thread is about a woman's behavior, and how she can act in such a horrible manner and it's approved by society. I chimed in with a personal anecdote of many women lacking complete tact and being clueless, because society just accepts their behavior.
Then we have white knight roll in because I dared to criticize women, and call me a pussy and whiny and butt hurt because I actually recalled an example of such behavior. Plus I'm pretty sure you're an alt account of his.
Sdom1 7y ago
He's coming from acting like a butthurt little pussy. Oh no, a girl said she liked that a guy was tall, call out the national guard! You guys really need to read the sidebar material again, this is the opposite of amused mastery.
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Sdom1 7y ago
Females boil down to the ability to bear children. Most of what we men consider physical beauty are signals for health, fertility and genetic quality. Symmetrical features equal health and genetic quality, clear skin and shiny, lustrous hair signal good health and especially lack of parasites, a good figure, with nice tits and a .7 waist hip ratio are signals of fertility, as is youth. A young woman will always be preferred to an older one by men because young women have a much higher chance to not only bear you children, but ones who are healthy and strong with less genetic load, i.e. fitness decreasing mutations.
MuhTriggersGuise 7y ago
Where did I talk about my lack of success? Where did I express an excuse?
[deleted] 7y ago
This woman thinks she is SO special.
I hear if you die surrounded by cats, they end up eating your face. That's what the guy should have told her and fucked off to let her pay. She had saved enough.
HAESisAMyth 7y ago
The cats will eat any part if you they can... The face is often the most uncovered and fleshiest area available.
optimumone 7y ago
Jesus... this is a man's forum. Stop Bitching.
Women -- at least good looking ones can do this on tinder to SOME men. Many men,however, ain't paying for NOTHING until there is some skin in the game. (pun intended) In fact, there are some men on SM sites who are not the slightest interested in a women unless SHE can provide a home, car, stable job.
This time, this place, these years, a decent looking woman has a some sexual value/power. Its just like many single men F*(^ing the shit out of the desperate single moms looking for husband and dad for Jimmy.
It is what it is.
Men still get to be men the rest of our lives and that far more than enough for me.
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a1004 7y ago
If a woman do something like this, is fresh journalism and research.
If a man do something like this, happen this: http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/01/jared-rutledge-pickup-artist-c-v-r.html
chris_sydney 7y ago
Good read. There's a picture on the middle of article. Just take your time and look at it.
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juliusstreicher 7y ago
It's now time for Free Poon June.
MAWL_SC 7y ago
Too bad this is so deep, funny as fuck.
[deleted] 7y ago
Going on a bunch of dates? The absolute madwoman. I hope she gets a memoir deal. This level of self discovery and intellectual envelope-pushing needs to be shared with the masses.
/s
kofybean 7y ago
She's such a big deal, hard to imagine how she's so humble about it too.
Spiderjoy 7y ago
While man practice their "game" SMV and all that shit to barely get a date a month and some pussy.
She can have 31 dates different tall handsome man everyday and get free fully paid for dates 30 times.
LOL men are useless dogs.
stawek 7y ago
It would be sooo satisfying to doxx her and make her face go viral as "that chick who scams people for meals".
RedBigMan 7y ago
Wouldn't work... AWALT. She may become the face of 'No Pay May' but virtually every woman does his.
Forewarned is Forearmed. Don't pay for shit on the first date, choose dates where there isn't a big financial outlay or none at all. Like a hike or something... at least that way you'll know she isn't 400 pound land whale trying to scam a free meal out of you.
GroundhogLiberator 7y ago
Doxxing is always wrong, but I'd much rather see this whore harassed by an army of bitter men than I would some Trump supporters by SJWs.
TheGatherHunter 7y ago
She wants to efficiently use men. Why should she have to put any effort into it, like typing a few lines of text, before they open up their wallet to her? Poor gal. I think I shed a tear for her.
kofybean 7y ago
Yea, she's really frustrated when guys try to feel her out, but the crazy thing is, here she says: "If I do not respond to your ONE message, I’m sorry. I’m an extremely busy girl. If you want to see me again, send a few texts. Better yet, come up with a plan" But she gets mad when they do send her lots of txt. lol
kez88 7y ago
I think this is a great part of the article actually, as it states why we always advocate being extremely direct with making plans via text. It shows women don't like fucking around for ages with meaningless texts as well
verify_account 7y ago
Even post wall women hate manlets.
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A gal tells you she's dating other guys while she's on the first and only date with you, she's pretty much telling you to get lost, not inviting you to double down. I was floored reading only one guy wasn't seeking her approval.
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Now who's rationalizing? It's just a sensible assumption for a guy to make that the gal you're dating isn't going to be dating just you until she's telling everyone they know otherwise, but for a woman to tell a guy that she's dating other guys while on a date with said guy strikes me as blatant and unnecessary shit testing.
MuhTriggersGuise 7y ago
I love how her only value is her appearance and that she's "fun".
Blue-22 7y ago
Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Il128 7y ago
FYI There are a shitload of ebeggars on Tinder.
Not only do they demand 666. They want a deposit in their PayPal before they'll let a man take them out.
bisjac 7y ago
Thats basically why i wont use dating sites. Its just a free meal for these woman to man-shop with no end in sight.
jb_trp 7y ago
$10 for an hour of her time? That's a pretty fucking cheap whore.
HAESisAMyth 7y ago
This was her date with the "Sushi snob"... How is the bill only $20?
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Honey I've had women spend 10x that much on ME on a first date. I still never put out for her though...
gonorealover 7y ago
bullshitting 12.yo detected
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KainXhun 7y ago
Just a reminder..
Go out there and approach in person.
vagbutters 7y ago
While I agree with you, let's be real-- if you're good looking you can pull in girls online or in-person. She was definitely referring to betas for the most part, by the sounds of it.
Entropy-7 7y ago
Convert and online connection to face-to-face ASAP.
WeedDaddy 7y ago
It's been ages since I've found a woman this funny. Much better than the self-professed female "comedians".