Take a look at photos from your grandpa’s days and you’ll see that the typical woman was thin, feminine, and family oriented. Fast forward to today and the typical woman is fat, riding the carousal, and trying hard to compete professionally with men. In fact, the average woman today weighs the same as the average man weighed in 1960. Those wife material girls that were so plentiful back then are still around, but much rarer.
It may be that a man has to be in the top 20% to attract women, but in my experience it takes much more than that to attract a quality girl simply because feminism had made it quality girls so much rarer. In New York City I estimate that thin, feminine women that look forward to motherhood to be at most 5% of the single women. It would seem that the vast majority of men are out of luck, but that doesn’t have to be the case.
I’ve lived and worked abroad for over a decade, and one of the things that always strikes me is how much better foreign girls are compared to American women. Be it Euro or Asian, they are on average much more feminine and family oriented than their American counterparts. And they are plentiful.
In some Eastern European countries being an American and earning the average American salary would automatically put you in the top 15% of their dating pools. You would be offering a woman and adventure and an opportunity to significantly improve their lives. Rather than thinking about that chubby tattoed 5, you could have your pick of wholesome 7s who have always dreamed of living in America.
Of course, none of this absolves us of our obligation to be the best version of ourselves. But we also don’t have to play games that are rigged against us.
If you’re a top 1% guy, you don’t have to worry about any of this. But for everyone else: beautiful, feminine women are abundant. You don’t have to settle for that professional girl demanding to keep her name. Let the shrews grow old with their cats. There is an entire world beyond the U.S. you should be aware of.
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Never bring a foreign women to america. Eddie Murphy had a famous bit about this. It will corrupt her and turn her into an entitled bitch. Keep her in her home country where she cant be poisoned by westernism.
NikolaGeorgiev 5y ago
"In some Eastern European countries being an American and earning the average American salary would automatically put you in the top 15% of their dating pools."
Yeah. You USA huys fucked up with your women and now you go to other people's women. :D
DesperateTomato 5y ago
I'm from Europe and moved to the US. The only women I fine attractive here are Latinas (my good God) and Asian women.
By attractive, I mean physically and personality. American women are very "meh". Yes, I notice the hotty in town, but about 1000 American women have walked past that I wouldn't touch with a barge pole first.
kyledontcare 5y ago
This is excellent. Should be stickied.
Wolveryn 5y ago
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This assumes all guys want to have children. In a city like New York... unless you're born into money I'd say even if you were well on 6 figures... there's no economically safe way to afford having a child. It's just simply too expensive... regardless of genetic ability to attract women.
I do agree about the eastern european women, its like they're genetically engineered to be EXACTLY what I like in a woman.
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capitancristobal 5y ago
agree 100% practice abundance. learning about other cultures and learning multiple languages is important for self-improvement. my father smiles with approval every time I flirt with hispanic chicks in his presence.
Nuclear_N 5y ago
There are many woman who are not the bar girls. I don’t sponsor her...that’s a whole other story. She has a nice family and good job. Has a car. Never asks for money. There are good people everywhere....just have to find them.
chazthundergut 5y ago
America is the global superpower. We are dominant and affluent.
American men are like Supermen. But we live on Krypton, because our women are dominant and affluent too.
When you travel to other countries, you start to feel like superman as you see how valuable of a commodity you are to non-Americans.
The problem with these posts is that you aren't fixing the underlying problem. Superman doesn't need to leave Krypton to get pussy. You are still a man. You have a stronger frame and stronger body than your female counterparts. You are already equipped to fuck American girls and have them gargling your balls and treating you like a king.
Start acting like it.
TheHustlingWizard 5y ago
Hoes like to choose but they're really bad news.
Women lol. They're all dead weight. Work, gym, watch Netflix. 99% all the same.
I'm 29, 6'3 not jacked but I play hockey, football, squash and swim 5-6 nights a week. And do my 15-20min workout daily.
Networth over one million. Have two mortgages, my residence, and rental property. 3 established businesses. Sold close to 3 million in dope between the ages of 18-28. No longer in that game. Got legit businesses to run now and that's my dedication.
Humble brag whaaat!! Haha. My mentor died when I was 22. But he taught me a very valuable lesson. Fuck bitches, get money. They bring down the toughest men so it's best to avoid that useless stress.
I plan on selling all my assets at 35 and retire. I want to climb mountains. That's my retirement. What a rush. If I die on my first climb, fuck it. I lived like a king.
Too many men these days living for pussy yet don't even have a car to drive. Embrace loneliness, embrace that tingle in your dick. Don't give in. Sex rules the weak.
If you have your shit together. Happy within yourself. Want a family? Pursue it. Family life absolutely brings fulfilment. Don't rush it though. Establish yourself first and PROTECT your hard earned assets.
Don't stress. You can be 40 yrs old with a tight little 25 year old.
STICK TO THE SCRIPT
ProfessorSD 5y ago
ok, so I am already in the top 5% - 7% of earners. How do I parlay that in getting women interested without breaking the bank? Of course I could just pay for it or get a sugar baby ( I have and do) but I want to do some free styling. That said I am 50 and I believe a lot of the advise around here is better suited to younger men (probably as it should be). I am new to the single seen after suffering a very expensive burning divorce from a ungrateful, selfish, gold digging, %$#*&.
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Thank god there were no kids involved.
aasparaguus 5y ago
This is misogynistic garbage.
DarkMountain666 5y ago
The Modern West and social media has done this to women. People these days want instant gratification, because they're spoiled.
There is no reason to be feminine when just being female is already feminine enough these days.
majcisen 5y ago
Anyone needs visa to eastern europe? :D i can bring you here and get some chicks for you and you will pay me for hoes with ur american dollars!
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majcisen 5y ago
I had ltr there, it would be easier then marriage? :D
supremelummox 5y ago
Why should I care if she's a mother material or not? I supposed we're mostly about plates here.
ComradeCam 5y ago
One thing the cookie cutter housewives didn’t do in the 1960s, Fucking lift and get thicc
naIamgood 5y ago
Not sure what the fuss is about. Just forget about this traditional angel like women. Just accept the reality. You should be able to fuck decent girls in the states especially if you are white and as Charlie said when there is a drought get yourself some ho-ho.
a_nus 5y ago
The real challenge starts if and when you bring her back to America. Sooner or later, she'll likely absorb the culture and embrace it.
kinmeyy 5y ago
Well the women of back then didn't have such easy access to education,jobs and safety.So priorities will change with opportunities,we are the same species after all.
PapaLouie_ 5y ago
The only thing a foreigner wants from an American is a green card and some cash
danoranika 5y ago
Pro tip, don't bring her to America. Take your American money there.
devil363 5y ago
This post is garbage. I live in Asia and they’re all the same. They will eat you up and toss you out like trash when they find someone better. AWALT.
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Here's a thought for anyone interested in finding a LTR or wife:
Don't get into a relationship with women who fuck guys they just met at the bar. They are the more successful version of all the hero stories you read here. They can, and will, go right back to that the second they believe you are no longer meeting their needs. They may eventually settle down and wish to have a relationship, but that's only going to happen after they're in their 30s and have a couple kids they're struggling to support. Red flags here are things like "I'm tired of the games" and "where have all the good men gone?"
Wife material women view sex as something important and meaningful.
Why would you look for a wife in NYC? Women move there to chase careers and party. People with traditional values stay in more traditional areas. I lived in big cities in California where it's mostly the same story. Literally the week I moved back home to the small town I grew up in, I met my wife.
anticultured 5y ago
Yeah, brings back memories. My friend used to joke “I’m fucking my way around the world.”
officerkondo 5y ago
And the average man, being a gentleman, gained those 30 lbs right along with her.
jonpe87 5y ago
AWALT
All the whores are all like that, believe, I have seem the more purest of them behave different near a rich guy and etc. The question is not if she is a whore, she is a whore, the question is: are you paying what she thinks she deserves from you?
Arabian_Wolf 5y ago
The story of Umfufu
187oddfuture 5y ago
Classic hamster. This never works. Where have you been? Your NAWALT does not exist in anywhere resembling a third world country. Move to Cambodia and find your NAWALT there, and eek out a living farming rice for 12 hours a day.
Any time you bring a foreign chick to the US it’s only a matter of time before they go ride the carousel.
rabblerouser81 5y ago
Sad men who can’t get laid angry at my entire gender. Being decent and seeking decent women will get you laid far quicker than this nonsense. Unless of course you’re so porn saturated that the only thing that turns you on is a virgin that looks and acts like a porn star. Keep searching, boys.
F_Torino 5y ago
"Don't listen to what women say, watch what they do"
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rabblerouser81 5y ago
Listen to what men say, watch what they do.
Zech4riah 5y ago
So, you are talking about beta bux game here. Whatever floats your boat m8.
edargham 5y ago
AWALT. Stop deluding yourself.
massivewang 5y ago
Most of the time in cases like this local men are not going to be on your level. This will be amplified depending on local culture as well.
In my case as an American expat living in Brazil I benefit from the fact that:
I’m not “the man” or chad the destroyer. I’m also tall, workout, put in the work on my deficiencies, etc. I get a huge structural benefit simply to being a well-paid American in another culture. I think simultaneously my confidence has grown as a result of my various successes and triumph over my old beta tendencies/issues.
If I were to return to the USA, I would certainly do a lot better with women than prior to my arrival. I think my life experiences would give me a leg up back home as well, but certainly it would be nothing like here.
clausternn 5y ago
Fuck man, I'm down in Porto Alegre and in the exact same situation as you. Sort of. But unlike you I haven't been able to crack the code. Certainly more successful than I was in the US. But still not doing too well. At first I thought Brazil just wasn't as good as I initially thought... but reading your comment maybe I'm the one who's doing something massively wrong.
What do you mean? What's your approach?
Is this true? More women than men? First I heard about it. And not sure I get the second part.
massivewang 5y ago
North eastern Brazil is a different world my man. Porto Alegre is hard mode, very similar to the USA.
In the north east women go out wanting to be approached. They're very friendly and open. They also make their IOIs quite obvious. Most of the time I have a positive interaction when I approach here.
I went to we <3 POA a few years ago and I found the women to be incredibly cold/difficult. It reminded me of being in the USA to be honest (except everyone was fricken beautiful unlike the USA).
There's more women than men typically when I go out here, and women generally are doing better overall economically than men. In essence it's hard finding a "successful" dude. So just by being a gringo who has his shit together your status gets elevated quite a bit. Coupled with the fact I don't walk up to women like a cave man and say "HEY SEXY OMG YOU'RE SO HOT LETS BANG" etc.
clausternn 5y ago
Well... fuck. Wish I knew this before I went and got myself a job down here lol.
I wonder why that is. Like how can it be so insanely different one region to another. I would have thought Porto Alegre would be easier, because it has fewer tourists than places like Salvador up in the Northeast, so you're more of a scarce commodity.
massivewang 5y ago
Culture is different in each region to AN extent. I.e Deep South vs NYC back home.
North east:
South
Go to Fortal next year or travel for a weekend for a big concert (Safadao etc) in Recife, Fortaleza, praia da pipa etc. You can experience it first hand.
Also I think being a tourist presente it’s own challenges. The fact I’m living here and speak Portuguese makes a big difference vs a tourist who only speaks English who’s gone after three days.
Also the amount of foreign tourists is quite low. Rio is the place to visit, no real sense for a gringo to go anywhere else - rio, búzios, Angra dos Reis, etc.
clausternn 5y ago
Yeah, when I said tourists I meant gringos in general. There seems to be far fewer down here than in other more touristy cities.
I speak Portuguese too. I agree it would be much more difficult to date (and just overall live) in Brazil if someone didn't speak any Portuguese.
carrills 5y ago
https://imgur.com/a/DHkfIAL
A four year relationship ended 4 months after arriving in America. Less than that even as she had been preparing for it at least a month or two beforehand. Notice that her co-workers gave her advice on what to do, they told her she's an American now, and doesn't have to put up with a "abusive," and "controlling," husband. It's the year 2018 for crying out loud! How dare he impose standards on you! Happy wife, happy life!
No matter where you go or who you meet, you will always have to contend with the burden of performance and hypergamy. So at least don't be a dumb fuck like me, don't ignore mountain sized red flags, don't ignore your gut instincts and don't bring her to a country full of guys that "may," be better than you, because maybe is all they need.
clausternn 5y ago
What were the clegane sized red flags?
carrills 5y ago
Lied about her n-count, slept with me on the first date, incredible mood swings, said all her ex boyfriends were "abusive," victim mentality, obsessed with Instagram, abused as a child, many of the signs of BPD, love bombing, mirroring, idealization, gaslighting, splitting, ect.
clausternn 5y ago
Out of curiosity what date number would you find acceptable? And what's the maximum you would be willing to wait?
carrills 5y ago
By itself it's not a major red flag, there are girls that won't give it up on the first date for you but will for someone else. But if you're in another conservative country and she's putting on a conservative good girl act but also fucks you on the first date it's not a good sign, it shows she's going all in on trying to lock you down.
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Brickles09 5y ago
Wow, that conversation is the ultimate nightmare! And what fricking paper has that woman wanted signed?
carrills 5y ago
She wanted me to file for divorce as she's not smart enough to do it. She literally thought all I had to do is sign a document. The only silver lining in this is she's letting me handle the terms of the divorce, so I will lose almost nothing compared to what I could have.
redpillbanana 5y ago
I'm sure you feel terrible now. If it makes you feel better, your situation actually sounds extremely fortunate.
Hopefully you'll make this the fastest divorce in history so she doesn't have time to get any other "good" ideas from her friends.
askmrcia 5y ago
Lol probably a marriage license or something.
TRPKid 5y ago
A lot of people in the comments are shitting on OP, and maybe I don't know about Eastern Europe, but as someone that is living in S Korea, this isn't the case. The problem is that you are picking up girls that are living in 3rd world countries. If I was them, I would do anything to get out. But China, Japan, and Korea are not 3rd world shitholes like Ukraine, Thailand, or wherever else.
I never really had much of an interest in Asian women until I got to Korea, and I realized how superior their women are culturally. It's hard to get into the culture as a foreigner, especially if you don't speak the language, and most people will fail if they are just coming out here for a couple weeks. I've lived here for months, going to live here for at least a year, but possibly two. If you have a job opportunity out here, I recommend it, otherwise don't bother.
askmrcia 5y ago
Brother married a Korean. She and every female in her family are materialistic then any American chick I've ever seen.
With that said, his wife does cook for him every damn day and does other nice things for him.
Can't have it all I guess.
TRPKid 5y ago
This is true, Koreans can be materialistic. But this isn't just for women, its true for men aswell(Off topic but, it's a thing where if you are a man driving a BMW, Koreans fucking love BMW, you are immediately seen has higher status, even if you drive home to some shithole home everynight. It's weird.). The difference is that, American girls will be materialistic and won't cook at the same time, so at least you can have one good thing going for you.
There are no unicorns in the world. There never was, and never will be. Materialism and hypergamy has always existed even in a pre-feminism world. From the dawn of man the women always wanted the top men in the tribe, no? They would've wanted to live in the safety of whoever had the best hut and could hunt the most food, no?
We are flawed as a species, and I think it's important to remember that. The thing that separates it all is, if you were starving, would you rather eat an apple that's completely covered in feces(Western Women) or a dirty apple(Non-Western Women)?
Also, Lift.
AlQWEffos239 5y ago
I’m original from Africa, finding a woman that has not been westernised who shares the same culture and beliefs will be challenging as most of them want a meal ticket. I’ll have a better chance Finding a family oriented woman in Africa then a westernised woman,
JamesSkepp 5y ago
Just don't use this as an excuse to find a wife in Thailand. Your SMV might skyrocket in a 3rd world country, but it's relative to the girl's, not absolute raise.
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Yeah but that requires effort and patience.
womans_algorithm 5y ago
Much easier to call all women sluts and AWALT and have emotional satisfaction how you are "the shit" for knowing this. /s
sehns 5y ago
I was in Ukraine and got laid like a rock star. None of them asked for money. They threw themselves at me, fucked me, and then took a taxi home. And all of them were about 3 points on average higher than I could get back home. IG model looking types. They all wanted a relationship of course but were content with just being fucked hard. I have had a completely different experience to you. Same thing in Thailand, where I live now.
ten-bible 5y ago
I had the same experience in Russia (as did any American dude I met there generally).
Anyone saying the Green Card/ Goldigger story has never been to these countries. Most women do not wish to leave the country (in Russian and I assume Ukraine too) -- are happy to buy you dinner or drive an hour to see you (not that I demand that) ... and hell half of them don't even drink a drop of alcohol (another stereotype).
Most women knew I wasn't sticking around at all but still fucked happily. One bought me dinner when we went to a cash-only place and I forgot my cash (I offered to go to an ATM immediately before, she said no). It wasn't a "ruse" either ...
Now Thailand?
I was there back in 2009 right after the World Economy tanked. This was before the Age of Tinder, and there were almost no tourists there (but me) because it was April 2009. Result? A vast majority of woman approaching me were Bonafide Hookers. Not goldiggers, just Hookers but in Thailand it's often blended together. So there I can't comment as much. I did meet a few nice girls who made out with me, but I couldn't shake the feeling in the back of my mind that they might be hookers demanding cash ex-post-facto. I'm sure now, with Tinder, it's much easier.
clausternn 5y ago
How old are/were you? Were you usually fucking on the first date, or did you more often have to wait until the 2nd/3rd?
I'm assuming you were most successful with day game in the Ukraine than any other kind.
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sehns 5y ago
Well I've dated a Russian woman in the US for a couple of years, and now i've been with the same Thai girl for a couple of years (in Thailand) everything has been fine. A little bored. Just select LTR's very carefully and hold frame. Though, this is true for women anywhere.
confused998 5y ago
You mean don't date crazy yeah?
Cairnsian 5y ago
This should be top comment. Almost every post in this thread reads like satire, glorifying EE women and fantasising about their 'traditional' nature. Nevertheless, it gives me a bored chuckle. Women all over the world have one common denominator, they're all human. What do humans do first and foremost -- act in accordance with self-interest.
Fulltilt_Ronny 5y ago
i actually theorized this (feminism MUCH stronger in USA than elsewhere) in my last posting but it got rejected because i am new to reddit :(
on the other hand, here where i live in europe (and most of the countries surrounding mine, your average american salary wont make any girl hook up with you.
Average wages are very high here, too. And girls here seem to be different from the average american thot.
edit: seems i can post now. praise the lord!
celincelin 5y ago
You and others alike don’t realize two simple things:
1) Just like you’re automatically in the top there, any thin feminine woman from there will automatically be in the top back in the US. Imagine the competition you’ll have to win just to keep her, especially if her main reason is money, which you even admit yourself.
2) Life in third world dumpholes is exactly what it sounds. Sexual climate is indefinitely healthier, almost everything else sucks shit. You’ll have to stay there long, without common Western luxuries like functioning police force. What is that mythical unicorn made of to be worth it?
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OPTIMUSL1ME 5y ago
I like this new family/wife oriented trp that's been surfacing the past couple days
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
So let me bust everyone's bubble about the rumor of "Slavic Unicorns" that live over yonder hill, near Big Rock Candy Mountain.
If you venture forth into Central or Eastern Europe there will be higher grade totty on offer. If you can close, you'll do fine. But the days of Bond Girl quality babes following some Gomer back to the trailer park to live happily ever after are way long gone. Well, actually, they didn't exist, but I digress.
Back on E. Euro Babes. Are they better than their N. Amer counterparts? By a country fucking MILE. But that's part of the problem. Slavic 6s cross the pond and discover that, in N. America, they are 8s. Suddenly, Gomer doesn't look like he's a great catch anymore, and there is No Hypergamy Like Slavic Hypergamy. It's brutal. And putting a Slavic woman, who has had to survive in a far shittier environment, down in the Land of Milk and Honey is like putting a shark into a tank with a bunch of tuna. It's over, quickly.
If you are going to handle a Slavic girl - they know foreigners are weak - you have to have major game, and if you are going to bring one back to the West - not really advisable - you need to have Titanium Steel Frame. She'll be way more feminine and can cook for you, but the moment she turns on you, you, western lad, are TOAST. I've seen it happen. Bear in mind that when I go back to visit the remaining fam in the Rodina I find myself meeting every eligible single girl in the Oblast. "Why are there so many plates set for dinner?" - "Oh, we're having a few guests...." Marrying off the younger folks is the Babushka National Sport. So is interfering with their marriages and splitting them up.
When to chase foreign tail: When you are in a foreign country for another reason. You are working there, or traveling, or vacationing or taking a gap year. And if you don't speak the language, at least semi-fluently, and understand the culture, you are going to be left out of a lot of conversations, and you are preparing to fail.
ten-bible 5y ago
Your value depends on staying in said foreign Slavic country, not bringing her to America. Once you do that, she starts 'becoming' an American woman. And she's surrounded by American men. Bad news.
Not necessarily. Believe me. English is God Tier language of world. In Russia, even if only 30% (or whatever) of women speak English, I had thousands of models beating down my door. More than enough for a lifetime.
This helps but is not critical. You learn it as you go. Russian women for example are VERY much slut-shamed culturally in their society, so they need EXTRA special handling and reassurance if you move to sex quickly. I didn't know that but learned it in a matter of days and only had a couple problems. You only learn culture one way -- going there! So go forth and fuck young Padowan!
I understand what you're saying --- Some Thai women are huge gold diggers. Some Chinese women are time-wasters. Etc etc.
Guess what? Culture, scmulture.
The same principles holds true across ALL COUNTRIES ---
Don't blow a ton of money on a girl, ever. In fact I would say -- unless you're literally fucking slum girls -- go 50-50 on most things. "Oh but their culture is different and.." FUCK THAT. YOUR AMERICAN CULTURE (or whatever you are) -- is 50/50. And YOUR REALITY is king. If this is really an issue, just go to a coffee shop/ bar and buy her ONE drink and spend <$10 on every date. You'll never be screwed that way! ANY country folks!
With these two rules in place, YOUR MONEY and YOUR TIME will not be wasted. In ANY country. If you are dopey accountant being courted by a tatted-up Thai black-diamond level hooker, who is saying "I love you" and giving you the best blowie of your life, sure. Just don't blow money on her. There you go. Don't let any girl lead you into any strange bars or locations either --- you should be running the show, picking the spots, even if she is a local. Until you trust her 100%.
So 3 rules really but yeah.
clausternn 5y ago
Hey just to be clear, what do these things mean, specifically?
Eastern Europe is obviously Russia and Ukraine, and then I'm guessing the small Baltic countries and maybe Finland.
I'm assuming Central Europe is Poland, Romenia, Czechia, Hungary, and the Balkans.
Then Western Europe starts with Germany and Austria, and consists of everything else west of that, along with Scandinavia.
Is that the gist of it?
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Different people slice it up in different ways. To me, EE = Russia, the Baltics, Ukraine, Belarus, and Moldova. Probably Romania also. CE = Poland, Check, Slovakia, Hungary. The Balkans = Everything that used to be Yugoslavia, plus Bulgaria, Albania and Greece.
get_unoffended 5y ago
Thank you for this post. As someone from the former Soviet Union who is about to visit back for the first time as an adult male, this is very helpful advice.
Honestly, I don't know how American men live with the meager options that they have. I live in the South, and I find myself amazed on a daily basis when I see men in decent shape hand in hand with fat women. I don't get it. I don't find these women attractive in the least bit. There are so few options out there; men here don't realize that this is not normal. Anyway, guess I'll keep dating Asian girls here in the states. In my geographical area, they're the only ones who keep themselves thin with any degree of regularity.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
When I am in the South, I sort of wonder how there can be that many fat people. And yet, there are.
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VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Agree. The Rodina is indeed a Happy Hunting Ground.
Agree.
Odessa is something of a pit. I recall when I basically became the Pater Familias for the Eastern Branch of the family that I was not allowed to go to certain places unescorted by one of my cousins because I was "too valuable of a commodity" to allow to be kidnapped/seduced into marriage by a passing Dev of the requisite hawtness, etc. - this was back before Insta-whore even existed - and Odesa was frowned upon. Lots of "Odesa girls are all prostitutes" etc.
Yeah, I've seen those guys. I sometimes "forget" that I speak English around them, lest they want to become friends.
zrobek 5y ago
There is truth to this
Polish rapper made song about the "fame" these Slavic insta hoes get
Hilarious because opening line is literally the hoe saying "that's why I was blowing"
Fejm- qbik
Thotwrecker 5y ago
This is very true of basically any country where the national sport is "pimp your daughters out to rich men". These colombian girls chew up these fat balding pink round men and spit them out, these thai girls are finessing them out of cash for her "sick family back who needs medicine" and I find it hilarious. Like of course, this bitch has been training for this her whole life, she's Mayweather in the ring, and the only thing keeping her ego in check and keeping her level and in her "place" is the fact that all the other women around her in Bratislava are fucking young and hot too.
Then you move her into an American city and she realizes you're a middle of the pack dude, and she's an 8 or 9 and here a woman at 26 is still young enough that she can remarry without being damaged goods. What did you think was going to happen?
You wanna fuck foreign hotties, either learn the language and invest some time into understanding how to game and fuck them, or pay hookers. No shame in it, if you can't be carried by looks / game, drop probably less money than a decent dinner in the US with drinks, and pay the chump price. Much better decision than trying to date them
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This should be put in the bible.
Nuclear_N 5y ago
I guess I got the exception with my Thai GF.....But I agree with you as most are money sucking....can you blame them. They are looking to better themselves and their family.
majaka1234 5y ago
Hahaha as someone in Thailand right now....
The entire Thai culture is built on lies.
When she admits to a lie she's still lying because she's likely only admitting to half of them.
Fortunately Thai women are not great liars, they tend to leave massive holes in their stories and are all round full of shit if you're the least bit attentive.
If, however, you think you've "lucked out" then you simply don't know enough about the culture and you're likely being taken for a ride.
There's a reason every Thai girl and her mum "refuse" to date Thai guys...
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majaka1234 5y ago
Nah, they're just much better at being liars than the girls are.
Meanwhile the over-trusting foreign white dude eats up their shit.
Andgelyo 5y ago
I love this post. Reminds me that the world is absolutely beautiful outside of Shitty (Northeast) America.
SeedThrownAway 5y ago
America is fucking beautiful, what are you on about
Andgelyo 5y ago
“North east”. I live in the ghetto of NJ, close to NYC. It’s the slums here my dude.
SeedThrownAway 5y ago
Are you tied there? Is it worth finding a job somewhere else a little less gray?
187oddfuture 5y ago
Yeah I mean we have a song written about it
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VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
So long at you stay in E. Europe.
A_solo_tripper 5y ago
This is so true!
If you can't afford, or unable, to go overseas, the next best is to go to a tourist spot stateside. There, you will be exposed to many different women of varying cultures. You will get a taste of abroad.
Going overseas to get a dime piece has its pros and cons, as with nearly everything in life. Weigh them out.
topchef808 5y ago
Today's typical woman is still family oriented, in that she usually has at least 2 kids for you to raise.
TheFallingCosmos 5y ago
Fuck no, I'd never take care of another man's kid
Spider-Dude1 5y ago
Three if you count her brother, who needs a place to stay at until he hears back from his job interviews.
reluctantly_red 5y ago
Actually I had a pretty good experience with my first wife's brothers who lived with us while they were in high school and college. When the marriage went to shit they were actually in my corner (that really pissed off their sister). I'm still friends with them.
ahab_dies 5y ago
I moved to South East Asia about 3 years ago for work (Indonesia).
Applying TRP in a place like this is like being a time traveller going into the past and using your learnt techniques on a society that hasn't had a chance to get to your level of understanding yet.
Indonesia is still very Conservative, mostly due to Islam but also just because of their culture. There's a lot of gold diggers and women are very aware of hitting the wall so they're more keen to tie men down but the mess that is the western woman is decades away from appearing here.
Asian society produces more feminine and FAR less brainwashed feminist women. Plus Asian women are just better looking. Chivalry is not dead here either. It's like being able to step back into the good old days of the west in terms of male-female relations. If you ever decided to do a LTR you'd easily find women who want a traditional arrangement and don't just want it easy while you bring home the money and she does nothing for the relationship.
My advice to a lot of young men these days is to just get out and see some of the world. I still believe the USA is the best country on the planet (I'm a Brit BTW) but it produces the absolute worst women (and British women are no better). You'll be surprised how many good alternative cultures there are out there if what you're interested in is just working hard, making money, improving yourself, and gaming women. Is it perfect? No way, there's a lot of hypergamy here. But it's a fuckton better than dating white women.
Tldr: lived in Asia for 3 years, opened my eyes that the Western woman isn't the only option - in fact its the worst option - and I'd never date a Western woman again
clausternn 5y ago
Does this mean you'll need to go on a lot of dates before you have sex? Or do you usually sleep with them on the 1st/2nd date?
I've been wanting to spend a month or two in Asia next year, and Jakarta and the Philippines are my top picks at the moment.
I've actually been considering moving to Asia and teaching ESL as well, but I'd probably need to go to Vietnam or China for that. Based on my research those countries pay more. Indonesia plays poorly and getting the visa legally is very difficult.
ahab_dies 5y ago
Islam doesn't hinder my ability to get laid with locals at all, but I do live in Jakarta which is the most liberal place outside of Bali (which is Hindu). My first date success rate is basically the same as back in the West. Just know which areas are good and which are bad because there are some pockets where the locals will stone your house and harass you if they see you take a local girl into your residence. Some residences won't allow female guests, others will charge to have a guest stay, others don't give a fuck. It's just been made illegal for unmarried couples to stay/live together but it's very lax. Some places will say no to you unless you provide a marriage certificate, some won't care. Find a Chinese Indonesian owned place and stay there if you can. Jakarta cheat code: everything is better when it's run by the Chinese Indonesians - they have far better work ethic and are staunch capitalists. There are also a lot of brothels with good hookers for low prices if that's your thing.
I know some ESL teachers and while their pay is very low compared to wages back home they're still living at a high standard.
Also, don't kiss women in public. I did it in a bar once when I first got here and got so many death states. I learnt quickly it's just not done. People don't even do it in the seediest and darkest bars.
I like living in Jakarta but it's a terrible place to come on holiday. It's a business city with very little to offer to tourists.
Oh, and don't fall for any girl that drinks or goes clubbing. They're incredibly hypergamous and gold diggerish. If you want a local girlfriend find a wholesome one, no exceptions. If any girl approaches you in a bar or a club be very careful and suspicious. As a rule I don't parlay with those women because I've known too many men get burned. I don't care how hot they are, it's not worth the risk. They're looking for a sucker; don't be it.
clausternn 5y ago
Meanwhile here in Brazil you'll be the weird one if you don't kiss women in public. Funny how things work.
How do they get burned? When you say hypergamous and gold diggerish it just makes me think they're fine for a one-night stand or something along those lines, you just can't try to date them.
Or is it worse than that?
SeedThrownAway 5y ago
Nice. I'm settling in Indonesia for a year at the end of this month. And from my travels so far (6 months) I can agree that just getting out into the world is great considering monogamy has gone to shit.
ahab_dies 5y ago
Good choice. Where are you going to settle? Jakarta?
SeedThrownAway 5y ago
Bali. You must be in Jakarta?
JohnBugman 5y ago
Imagine thinking a woman from anywhere isn’t going to be the same mental midget from down the way. You find decent clay and form that into your LTR/Wife.
Admire it, show it off, glaze it all the time, and remember one day that shit is still going to break.
ultrasuperthrowaway 5y ago
You are basically saying NAWALT and that's wrong
I've been to Eastern Europe and gotten with the women, they are the same.
omega_fat 5y ago
EE women are in overall a fair bit better than American for sure. Thinner on average, can cook, less abrasive personalities, dress more feminine. How is that the same?
187oddfuture 5y ago
It’s the same because men have been deprived of their authority over women in LTR’s and marriage. Women are free to choose as they please, and consequently, are never happy when they settle down because they are always looking to see where the grass is greener.
ultrasuperthrowaway 5y ago
They are still hypergamous and have no loyalty and will dump your ass as soon as they can for a better seeming option as soon as they can.
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stylerTyler 5y ago
Delusional. You think the grass is greener on the other side. Do you really think the sweet Eastern European girl is in love with you because you are the alpha fux that she’s always dreamed of? That’s delusional af. You are simply her visa to USA. She’ll tolerate you until she lays hands on her permanent residence then probably dump you.
DesperateTomato 5y ago
Lmao, this post is delusional. Most countries in Europe are better than the US.
sehns 5y ago
Clearly you have no experience with this matter. So how did you come up with this opinion? Television? 90 Day Fiance? Movies? What makes you so sure about it that you believe OP, who obviously is experienced compared to you, is "Delusional"?
If i've got a broken toilet flooding my apartment and OP is a professional plumber with 10 years of experience, you're more like the gender studies major standing over him telling him that he doesn't know what he's doing and that he's "Delusional". Nah, i'm going to go with OP on this one.
Sadly, your opinion is very similar with lots of American men who have never left their country except for short vacations. Western women want guys to believe that women from abroad are all scammers who "just want a greencard". Honestly, I thought people in this sub would have seen through all this shit by now.
Guys like you need to sit down, shut up and listen to what the experienced men are saying. You might learn a thing or two, and once you have some experience, I'm sure many would be happy to hear your opinions then.
And seriously, calling someone who is "Delusional" who is waay more experienced than you on the topic makes you look like an asshole.
stylerTyler 5y ago
I’m not even American nor do i live there. I’m from a so-called 3rd world country. There is a shit ton of young men and women who approach rich old male and female tourists and try to start romantic relationships just for the sake of being able to travel abroad. They target this old age because they don’t have many years to live so they can inherit them when they die. This OP and yourself know nothing about anything outside of your small narrow circle. You think the biggest problem in life is how to pickup drunk girls at nightclubs. Dude shut the fuck up. What I see in a week you see in a lifetime.
And by the way, if you fail to recognize that I’m not saying that 100% of the people do this then you are even a bigger fucktard. You can travel to a “3rd world country” and meet honest people who love you for yourself. But the majority of the people who want to pursue something “serious” with you actually do have an agenda behind their actions.
sehns 5y ago
OK tough guy, you admit you're from a developing country. fine. You say you've also never lived in America.
So how could you possibly know what it's like as a white western male dating in these countries compared to the US? Because you're friends with hookers? Because you hang out in nightclubs and see them scamming expats and tourists 'all week'? Great depth of experience there bud. You continue to prove my hypothesis that you have no clue. The way you continue to lash out with incorrect assumptions shows you're also mentally deficient.
Nowhere in this thread is anyone talking about picking up hookers in these countries from nightclubs.
Redpill theory tells us women are hypergamous. Well what do you think showing up to a developing country as an english speaking white man is like? Whether or not you let them scam you is completely on your frame. Now take a half decent woman who isn't a club whore and what do you think happens? This isn't rocket science.
marjeh 5y ago
I agree. I moved to South America two years ago and during this time have met some genuinely nice people over here. The truth however, is that most people are looking for the quick dollar and won't hesitate to screw you over if given the chance.
I don't even blame them. Opportunities don't come around that often and it's a survival mechanism ingrained in them.
That being said, once you accept reality for what it is and not for what you want it to be, it's a pretty fun place when it comes to women.
Thotwrecker 5y ago
People here do not understand what poverty / 3rd world upbringing does to people's psyches. They don't see it as wrong, these girls are desperate, it's their draft day, it's what they've been training for. They are often trying to provide for their parents or family, they often have stronger motivations to get the better lifestyle than you have to wake up and go the gym. They are more RP than you, but they are also still women so their are illogical and do batshit emotional shit too. I know a LOT of these guys, both guys who just paid out a lot to their foreign GFs, or who actually imported them in and gave them the dream. Lotta cool older dudes into the semi-p4p scene in these countries - they are either insanely BP, or they are RP'd after having done some insanely BP thing that crushed them, and now their just sorta brokenly in a passive red pill state. Look at the dudes wife shopping in Colombia or Thailand or Philipines. They didn't turn out so great, maybe theres a few happy stories in there, but yikes.
dongpal 5y ago
Yeah, nice. Then after getting adjusted to western life they throw that all abord and are now slowly becoming whores. You make the mistake thinking that people who have a specific mindset in a region are going to keep it when they circumstances are changing.
Thotwrecker 5y ago
You are misreading my post - I am saying that these girls have stronger female game because they have been raised with the mentality of "get a rich guy", they are better adjusted to hypergamy than your average BP is at recognizing and dealing with hypergamy. It's not that they become whores, it's that whoring isn't a point of shame, it's a point of pride.
PatsFever 5y ago
It has nothing to do with them becoming anything, they were playing a visa game the whole time, there was no evolution into a whore. The whole world of foreign visa chasers is slimy as hell and the marks that don’t get it (i.e. that marry one) are funny as hell.
Poutvora 5y ago
Hmm, I am from Slovakia, living in Czech Republic and by no means we are in poverty and it does not feel like 3rd world upbringing here.
There is no much difference between girls here and girls in the USA. Keep in mind that the world is open. It's the same as with me and you. We are not that different, and the girls also aren't.
sour_jesus 5y ago
Thotterfly vulgaris Tomassiensi is attracted to loud sounds and bright colors, thus flocking naturally to large urban areas and that's what you're basing your observation on. Also the same with poverty levels. There are regions where poverty and religion keeps the hypergamy solidly in check.
There isn't really a counter-part to this phenomenon in US - Mormon girls fuck a lot, and not only on that porn site. Maybe Amish, but good luck marrying in and enduring that 17th century farm life.
womans_algorithm 5y ago
I'm with you. Americans only distinguish between "rich as fuck 'Murica" and "poor as fuck East Europe". Black or white, no grey in between. It's certainly not 3rd world or poverty here and I'm happy to live here. Women here are much less entitles and bitchy, and the country isn't ran by big corporations, as opposed to the actual government.
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stylerTyler 5y ago
Dude don’t kid yourself. If you had the chance to move to USA or any other west european country you would. Sorry bro but east europe is no better than north africa or south america in terms of development.
skumbagshadey 5y ago
Well, we all have that chance cause there is free movement within the EU and somehow people are not emigrating in droves, some of them do it but often times there is more to it than pure economics. One thing I know is that we have a much higher average IQ here than you guys over there, but it's mainly thanks to gems like you, thank you for stacking the odds in our favor.
maximhar 5y ago
The least developed EU country in Eastern Europe ranks far higher in HDI compared to the most developed African country. Source.
So yeah, you're delusional.
Poutvora 5y ago
Where exactly? Germany yes, France maybe if I could not go to Germany. Switzerland sure! Norway absolutely. And there it ends. UK (meh for me), Sweden (you know why), others are basically the same. Where I live, there are three major universities with lots of young people, it's a historic city, there are parties, entertainment and I can get anywhere in Europe for cheap with great public transport in every city. I have no fear that someone is going to attack me in the night It's not so big so I can get to country fast. Nature? The same as in America, just different. Why would I move? Because I would have higher salary and public/government services like hospitals and schools(elementary and high) are in better state in mentioned countries. Also I like culture and I love the culture possibilities in NYC. People in USA were more nice short term but more cold long term. Your health care is a joke (so is it better to be able to get cheap medical help, or have the most modern hospitals?), when I compare poor people in the USA and here, I pity yours. Public transport is bad except the subway.
I like the sense of pride and patriotism you have in the USA. I like that when there is a new product, it's almost always USA first(Netflix, Apple Pay, big cultural premiers and shit like that). I like that there are more work possibilities in your major cities.
Yes, Ukraine is not doing so well recently, but have you ever heard about Estonia? Folks there are considering to have mandatory email check to ease their paperwork and state services. You've been to Prague or Bratislava? Those cities are expensive, as modern as historic and beautiful. Maybe once, you'll take a highway in Croatia (which was in civil war only 20 years ago) and you'll see what a smooth car ride is.
To say something more relevant, many of my girl acquaintances/ex school mates or friends moved abroad and none of them because of some man. It's because they could and wanted to. All of them know it's easy now and that they don't need a man to do so. And if you come here and girls want to fuck you? Yes because you are an attractive american. But it would be the same with any exotic tourist foreigner if he was also attractive. You get the benefit of the difference.
stylerTyler 5y ago
My point still stands. North Africa and many places in South America are as good and developed as CE and EE. not to mention the Middle East. I’ve been to all these places. Yet they are called 3rd world only due to the fact that they are not physically located in Europe or North America. Have you ever been to places such as the gulf countries? People there drive Ferraris like it’s fiat and the infrastructure looks like NYC.
maximhar 5y ago
If you conveniently ignore the 80% of the population who work in what is essentially slavery, yeah, they are very rich.
stylerTyler 5y ago
The “slaves” who work there are mostly indian, Pakistani and other asian nationalities who are there by choice. Why are you more butthurt about the work conditions than them themselves? If it was that terrible with little return, why would they continue?
dunedain441 5y ago
You are so ignorant dude. Their passports are taken by their bosses. Stop arguing what you know nothing about.
Poutvora 5y ago
Let's see. I'll compare Algeria (as a North Africa protagonist) and Slovakia + Czech Rep. Algeria is apparently 4th (or so) most developed country in Africa. Comparing anything to gulf countries is not much relevant as they are different in many ways.
Where to be born index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where-to-be-born\_Index
Slovakia 35.
Czech Rep. 28.
Algeria 54.
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Now CIA factbook:
Maternal mortality ratio:
Slovakia 6 deaths/100,000 live births (2015 est.)
Czech Rep. 4 deaths/100,000 live births (2015 est.)
Algeria 140 deaths/100,000 live births
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Sanitation facility access:
Slovakia total: total: 98.8% of population
Czech Rep. total: 99.1% of population
Algeria total: 87.6% of population
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GDP - per capita (PPP):
Slovakia $33,000 (2017 est.)
Czech Rep. $35,500 (2017 est.)
Algeria $15,200 (2017 est.)
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I can go on and on...
stylerTyler 5y ago
Dude what part of “no big difference” do you not understand? You just proved it with those numbers that by the way don’t mean shit.
Do you think somebody from Algeria would move to Slovakia or Czech rep? They would go as tourists only. How many immigrants actually entered Czech rep in the past 3-4 years? Take this number and compare it to the % of them who actually stayed there and didn’t continue on to Sweden or Germany or even went to Spain. Then you’ll understand.
Poutvora 5y ago
Because it's not a small difference. No I think I did not prove that.
In Czech Rep, many. I studied here, and now work here. My colleagues at my office range from, India, UK, USA, Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Greece. When we have face to face meetings, guys from Brazil always complain about how it's better here than at home.
I don't even live in Prague.
In Slovakia, few days ago, they were bitching about our foreign police offices being too slow and not managing the flow of immigrants. In Bratislava, they recently had to move to a bigger building.
Another stat?
Local purchasing power index.
USA 5. place.
Slovakia 44. place
Czech Rep. 38. place
Algeria 92. place
So people from here would like to go to the US, but people from Algeria would not like to move to here? Given that the difference is even bigger?
People in Slovakia are rather strict about immigration. So it is not so easy.
BUT I don't understand shit compared to you, mighty Yankee. I just live here, yet please teach me about my country. I am ending this discussion on my part.
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stylerTyler 5y ago
Clearly you haven’t been outside CE or EE but whatever.
Dating9throwaway9 5y ago
Lol are you high? Prague is no better than north africa? Get the fuck outta here
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Poutvora 5y ago
I get the fun that comes from stereotypes. But to have a serious discussion one has to look past it I think.
cmdrNacho 5y ago
this post reads like some incel shit
stylerTyler 5y ago
My post or OP? Lmao dude even rich old german (for instance) women go to 3rd world countries and get approached by young men who are “in love” with them. I saw this when I was in Egypt a few years ago. They usually end up marrying and the guy traveling to live with her in Germany and obviously she pays for everything. Too many young men end up with the german citizenship and a lot of money taken from their rich wives.
cmdrNacho 5y ago
op, I get that it happens, but if you're a beta male you're travelling across the world to get laid. sorry
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Rubacund 5y ago
Women tend to be the same globally. You go to a developing country to find a mate, she will mainly be interested in money. A beta won't suddenly become an alpha chad by moving to poorer country.
cmdrNacho 5y ago
agree completely not sure why I'm getting downvoted. This post sounds like an incel that can't get laid, so they have to go to third world countries to get laid.
Andgelyo 5y ago
Nah, there’s some truth to that shit. I’m Filipino-American and my old ass tall white uncle who visits there is treated like a god, and he gets messages about girls wanting to get married and live happily ever after in America with him. Lmao
memphisjohn 5y ago
its real man, do some reading on mail order brides
blacklightsleaze 5y ago
This is what gypsies in EE do. In EE most guys will never take a gypsie woman for wife or gf, because they are disgusting.
Brickles09 5y ago
Italian girls have always fascinated me, very well dressed, feminine, lovely accent, beautiful, smart, well travelled... Sigh.
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nofilmynofucky 5y ago
Boom. AWALT.
They'll behave until they're in a better country and have you all locked down: but after that point it's just business as usual. Can't count the amount of dudes I know who wifed up good Asian/Russian/latino women, brought them home and then had your same experience.
gaki123 5y ago
Why this is wrong? She got to live in the US. It was a completely rational choice of hers
ten-bible 5y ago
This is only true of Russians IN America or in mail-order bride websites.
Dude I was in Russia, and NONE of the women wanted to leave Russia, let alone marry a guy for a green card and go all the way to the US.
I was fucking through models left and right (in America I seldom ever do) --- girls were buying me dinner. It was a no strings fuck-fest, girls were reverse gold-digging. Driving hours to see me. Buying shit for me.
They just wanted to fuck me, bad. Mostly because I was American, I'm not a male model by any means.
Just saying ... if you are IN Russia, you will have a good time. Most girls don't want to move. If you're IN a gold-digger website, well ... DUH.
I just want to clear that up as I find most Russian women are not gold-diggers. I would argue most American women are not-gold diggers either ... but if you're rich and at a place that attracts them .... look out.
Look lads, the only advantage you have as an American is WHILST IN an foreign country.
Any woman --- France, Chinese, Indian, Russia --- once she is in the USA, your arbitrage value goes down. Because she's SURROUNDED by Americans. Also, she starts learning American values rapidly. She slowly becomes an American woman (shudder). You need to stay in the foreign country to maintain your 'exotic' status and her 'not mentally fucked' status.
Psychocist 5y ago
Are they like that towards other foreigners, or is it just an American thing? I'm British and have been living in Thailand for the last 10 months, but am considering cheapish places in Europe to enjoy.
This touches on Roosh's article on Nature of Women:
When people think about securing their relationships, the environment is arguably the most important aspect. It isn't British women I find fault with, it is the society which breeds them.
ten-bible 5y ago
I'm not certain, I'm not a geopolitical expert, but I can't think of any significant differences between Americans and British in Russia, or if Russians can even tell the difference.
I assume the draw is just novelty, mystery, adventure, and possibly perceived money. No big differences between yanks and brits there.
I'm 60% Irish/ English from DNA tests and was told in Italy I was "the most English looking man I've ever seen" by some gypsy woman. Lol I'm white as a ghost but there's something different in the looks of Russian women (vs. the typical American women). Obvious America is diverse but the most common lineage of well at least white people here is German/ Irish/ English/ Italian/ Polish. I like all types but point is, Russia women --- they look good in a unique way lol
GreatGoldSphinx 5y ago
Interesting. I spend a lot of time in Moscow (for other reasons) and have dated many lovely ladies using red-pill knowledge. What do you think you did right with these girls? It sounds like you basically spoke to them in English, which creates an odd dynamic for gaming. What did you do that they really enjoyed and caused them to be all over you?
ten-bible 5y ago
Not much of anything.
Most of my hits came from Tinder. It was readily apparent I was in American in town. That's all it took really.
On the dates themselves, well there was a fair amount of time-wasters. Thing with Russian women is that they are heavily slut-shamed/ traditional values type shit. Not "sexually liberated". I mean they want to fuck you immediately, that's obvious, but they "can't" because "they're not that easy."
I've seen elements of that in America. The girl either wants to lie to herself, or you, about not going to bed right away. Probably because many men and women would judge her for doing so (sigh). Personally, I could give two shits if a girl wants to suck my dick immediately. Versus a girl who would readily do the same, but will wait 3 dates because "it's her rule?". There is no difference. Except the latter will be a headache in many, many more ways.
But enough of that rant.
The key was the same in any country, when dealing with Money Wasters or Time Wasters. Don't open your wallet for 1. And for 2, escalate quickly and expediently.
The kryptonite with Time Wasters is heavy escalation. Because either the girl is down and you win, she's not down, but get's in the mood because of it, or ... she's there for adventure/ the story/ friendship/ boredom (not sex) and escalation will end things pretty quick before you waste more time.
I also pulled my last night in St Pete (had a 6 am flight). I had a date and KNEW it was do-or-die same night, and I had to go to bed somewhat early.
Well holy hell if my moves weren't smooth and so, so very fast. Classic escalation latter. It was a work of art. Girl said 'whoa you move fast ;)' -- 'well I kinda have to'. Boom. Held the frame --- "My culture => move fast, get used to it".
I'm not saying do anything awkward or rapey ... classic escalation ladder ... you probe, probe further, test the waters, probe further. Any resistance or discomfort (hopefully not but it happens) -- back off for a bit, one step back ... then go ahead again. Fundamentals, etc.
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reluctantly_red 5y ago
This comes as a surprise to many Americans -- but not everyone wants to come to the land of the NRA and KKK.
ten-bible 5y ago
Well that demonstrates that yes, the media would have you think the cops are spraying civilians on the street, but yeah not really. The European view of what's going on in America is filtered through garish media. If I turn on Fox News or Maddow, either one will give me a warped view of reality, and Euro TV (not to mention state owned R-TV) is similar propaganda.
I live in Chicago. I've never seen anyone brandish, let alone fire, a gun. Or any police brutality. I've never seen or heard from any member of the NRA or KKK.
The reality is the gun violence happens in very localized ghettos that aren't exactly tourist hot spots. And the latter, well, Chicago is a liberal stronghold. Point is, what you "imagine" something to be is usually not accurate at all. Same was true of me & Russia, before I got there.
But yeah, they're happy in Russia. St. Petersburg and Moscow are international cities with a lot going on. The arts, business, tech, beautiful architecture (Moscow certainly has some ugly buildings but eh). True the winters are brutal but same with Chicago.
The idea that 'Murica is the land of milk and honey and everyone's dying for a green card? Yeah ... no. Would you move to Germany permanently if your salary increased 50%? Maybe, maybe not. Probably not. You like your country & culture.
NeedingAdvice86 5y ago
This....I always LMAO at people who want to pretend they are the epitome of brilliance but spouted the STUPIDEST SHIT spoon fed to them by media outlets without once ever considering the biases of the source to which they are listening.
reluctantly_red 5y ago
Actually I'd jump at the chance to move to an EU country. I'm an American citizen but I didn't grow up here so I've never really felt like this is my country or my culture.
trieutrunghai 5y ago
Then what’s the point moving to another EU country that’s not your?
geo_gan 5y ago
So do you speak Russian then or how did you talk to all these Russian thots? You didn't have them speaking in broken English all the time did you?
ten-bible 5y ago
I took a year in Russian in college but that was a decade ago. In practice I knew very little except hello, how are you, what's your name, my name is. Barely what a pre-school toddler might know.
In practice, I "tried" a couple times with girls that barely spoke English. As you see from other guide on Russia, this is just terrible -- for both of you. It simply doesn't work. The Google Translate app and typing shit in (which is what you will be doing) is a boner killer.
SO ... only talk to girls who speak decent English. A surprising amount do.
Tinder specifically is the ultimate tool for this (or other online apps). You just say "stravuitey" (hello except type the Russian letters) --- then I'd say "You're cute ;)". We'd get talking (on Tinder) and the ones that "not much English" would say so. Usually about half would speak great English.
It wasn't broken English at all. A few would be self conscious "my English is so bad" -- but it wasn't, at all. I took 5 years of Spanish and the English of most of these girls was way better and was actually pretty damn good.
Once you start making out and fucking not much English is required either.
geo_gan 5y ago
I’m always surprised how good females are with languages in general compared to men. Different brain abilities. Yes I notice a lot of EE are good at English. Must have much more experience and influence to English language sources then we would have to their language, we would only have school, they would have entire Hollywood and tv too.
ten-bible 5y ago
Well there is actually a big point to learning English in ... any country. Especially Russia, if you want to communicate with anyone in Europe (as opposed to one country).
One person (or two) was stunned that Russian was even an available offering in American universities (I'm sure its taught at most actually) --- it's not that obscure by university standards (where you can frequently take Chinese, Japanese, Korean) but yeah obviously to an American, you're typically going to more commonly learn French/ Spanish/ maybe German/ Italian.
But yeah English is most useful by far of course.
geo_gan 5y ago
I would expect Russian to be taught in some American colleges, I mean, where else are future government agency spies going to be taught the language of the enemy for infiltration and monitoring purposes ????
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marjeh 5y ago
That's the part OP left out; you can't bring them into western society and expect them to behave as they did back home.
You change the rules, you change the game.
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The Feminazis could have told you this would happen. Anyone knew that would happen.
You got what she wanted; she gt what she wanted. You're just lucky she didn't cut your dick off because of how much she loathed you.
Dark_Lord_A 5y ago
This literally sounds like a "You" problem.
FullOfShiznit 5y ago
Russian bitches are true materialistic hores, everybody knows that Same goes for every other immigrant wannabe bitch. How old are you being that naive?
hamstercide 5y ago
What about immigrants from 1st rich world countries (Switzerland, Norway, etc.)?
grewapair 5y ago
Meanwhile, a whole post on how much "better" foreign women are.
Idiots. Foreign women know if you're ugly, same as American women. The difference is they'll put on an act that American women dont need to.
askmrcia 5y ago
Don't know why, but your comment randomly reminded me of a movie I saw where this dude was married to a blind girl.
The girl was born blind. But she eventually got her sight healed. The very first dude that gave her attention she banged him and cheated on her husband.
The guy cheated with was better looking, but that was it. Made me feel sorry for the guy because he was with her for like 8 years and supporting her while she was blind.
But it didn't matter because she was attracted to the other guy more.
Edit: movie is called "All I see if you."
I'm pretty sure I saw it on Netflix
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ovrload 5y ago
A lot of blue pilled simps fall for the foreign woman meme
kyledontcare 5y ago
Sorry about that man, I'm sure you must be down about that and in pain. I've heard little good about Russian women on here except that they are often gorgeous and two-faced.
antariusz 5y ago
AF / BB doesn’t mean that only alphas get sex.
It means that some women sleep with you for your genetics, for fun, for hot sex.
Other women will sleep with you for your resources.
You were simply providing her B.B. when you stopped providing her resources she needed, she discarded you, as all women will.
ovrload 5y ago
I don’t understand why BB let themselves get used. Even if you get sex with a woman you can tell if she’s really into you or just using you for your resources
Psychocist 5y ago
It is unavoidable. You are being used one way or another.
It can be quite subtle, too. I'm dating someone who likely sees me as BB simply because of my apartment. It isn't anything special, but it is above what most foreigners have in this country (Thailand). I didn't spend any money on her for 6 months - she actually paid to get taxis to my place and we barely went out.
Now she is trying to get me to pay her phone bills and buy her a laptop for studying.
Her friends have foreign BFs who buy them these kinds of gifts, so I'm quite surprised she has stuck around for 10 months despite me refusing to spoil her. The subtle aspect is I'm always busy and she no doubt reads all of this as: he has money but he's not sharing (yet!). The fact is I don't have much, I just splashed out on the apartment as I work here most of the time.
Put me in a small apartment in a shitty part of town and I'm sure she would have disappeared by now.
ArdAtak 5y ago
I don't think everyone can tell. Some guys have real bad social IQ and calibration. Some women are great actors. It happens.
reluctantly_red 5y ago
Yes they are -- and even guys that should know better get played -- I know I did.
AhButThen 5y ago
Indeed.
Always remember AWALT.
underscoredotdot 5y ago
That must be a real story. Was it a good 2.5years?
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hamstercide 5y ago
Do you know where she went after that?
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hamstercide 5y ago
Not bad, not to sound rude but sounds like she did well for herself.
underscoredotdot 5y ago
Did you really love her? So she returned to her home country or did she stay in the USA?
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geo_gan 5y ago
Why don't they change the law so that you could submit some information to the "Green Card" people about what she did, how quick she left after getting it etc., and they could see it was a sham to get the card and cancel/nullify the card - would stop future bitches doing the same to men in the future maybe? Should be ways to stop people doing these fake marriages of convenience just to get immigrant visas.
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Why are you banned in Boston though?
alecesne 5y ago
Is this the 2 year provisional GC? Because that has to be renewed-
glenthedog 5y ago
Did she take your money? If not i think I'd be fine with that, as long as i didnt fall in love and she worked.
underscoredotdot 5y ago
That sux. I feel for you guy.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
I bet the screwing he was getting was not worth the screwing he got.
SiliconeGiant 5y ago
Well if you think about it, she didn't rape him financially, so aside from the emotional part which I don't discount, and coping with the reality that someone was using you, you could argue it's the same as having a girlfriend for 2 1/2 years, and then breaking up. OP will recover and move on like we all do.
Best wishes OP, consider that it's possible that her feelings were real previously, and then changed over time, 2-3 years very, very common timeframe.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
One could argue that....if one was a Hamster.
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geo_gan 5y ago
ha, ha... yes and actually it's written in large bold font on back of the green card "are you sure you are happy with your current man?"
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chazthundergut 5y ago
Shredded heart?
barf
No wonder she left you.
Grab your nuts and go fuck some chicks. You are free!
Only a sick bird longs for a cage.
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you dont have a wallet, that's why she left.
Andgelyo 5y ago
No one is safe, when will red pill men learn this? There are no unicorns, even globally. You really have to screen out the millions of whores to get the girls that less likely to fuck you over( notice how I said less likely).
geo_gan 5y ago
This is why your own female relations usually advise you to find a "nice girl" meaning some plain Jane who has not got a lot of options and is less likely to branch-swing over to Chad (because he would tell her to fuck off, not because she doesn't want to).
Lambdal7 5y ago
What about my grandma, he dealt with a the finances, never spent a dime, worked every day of her life an took exactly 1 week of vacation in her whole life. If I have an example in my close social circle, there must be millions of unicorns, no?
reluctantly_red 5y ago
Interestingly my ex-wife was great while her grandmother, who she adored, was alive. Abuelita was the only person whose approval really mattered to her. When her grandmother died she started to lie, cheat, and steal in short order.
Andgelyo 5y ago
That was back then, im talking about today’s day and age, where being a whore is glamorized and even encouraged. Of course back in the day there were good women, cmon now.
Lambdal7 5y ago
Well I know lots of girls back from high school who stayed with their blue pill bf, because they loved him so much, married and made babies to be a good housewife.
There are shy and very family-oriented women, who love nothing more than raising kids too.
Andgelyo 5y ago
You must be from the suburbs or country side then.
Lambdal7 5y ago
Yeah, I can imagine that in huge American cities like L.A. or Florida girls are really bad.
But that's just really the exception and is not the case for 99% of girls.
Girls are very different in South America, very feminine and family-oriented, then you have very traditional girls in rural parts in Asia, which are probably 1B.
Yes, 1% of girls aren't unicorns. They are drama queens in gynocentric societies, however, that's really limited to large cities in the U.S. and maybe slme other countries.
Outside the U.S., you actually have normal girls, they are probably not unicorns, but a significant portion of them are LTR material.
Andgelyo 5y ago
I’m moving out of the US then
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seek a whore and you shall find. Character requires equality. Change, or be ignored by women.
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No one wants to do your laundry, chud.
ahab_dies 5y ago
I would guess that you probably ignored red flags because she was hot.
Sorry to hear that though.
throwawayred521 5y ago
Wow that suck man. But it doesn't surprise me from a woman, awalt this sub tends to glorify overseas women's but that doesn't change their nature.
ttdharri 5y ago
American think asian women are so good.. they'll found out..
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Asian women are savages. Straight savages dog. Dont trust em. Theyll rip you apart like a shark. You gotta keep em on a leash. It is a zoo out here.
Mylaur 5y ago
Could you... Elaborate on that?
Psychocist 5y ago
I've been dating a really down-to-earth Myanmar girl. I've met savage Asian chicks while living there for the last year, and I agree - they are sharks. Just don't give them anything and see if they stick around. That's the only way to tell. Most will leave, some will stay.
kyledontcare 5y ago
If you're dating and living overseas as a western man you need to be willing to adapt to what that culture and way of life considers to be a high status man. And it may not include or be something you are good at. Don't forget language barriers.
victor_knight 5y ago
Not really. Thanks to the Internet and smartphones (and even regular media before then), women everywhere are becoming increasingly influenced. In fact, women getting fat is "encouraged" by science and government because it helps slow population growth.
PapaLouie_ 5y ago
Clearly not because they’re getting heavier but the number of little welfare burners isn’t going down
victor_knight 5y ago
The number of intact/lasting marriages and the number of kids born inside or as a result of them is dropping even faster. Add to that birth control and abortion. I'm fairly certain fatter and grumpier women (i.e. less attractive) tend to have fewer children than they otherwise would as well (health-wise also, they can only have fewer). Working women have fewer kids too (if any). The direction intended by the powers that be should be clear to anyone. FEWER BABIES BEING BORN.
sour_jesus 5y ago
You know this'll misfire, and your lovely Slavic chrysalis will spawn into another Anglosphere-style thotterfly, right? The move is to stay with her in our shithole Eastern European countries - if you want a family, that is.
For anyone thinking about taking that plunge - you'll be forever her situational Chad, and if you're still in position to get that US bag you'll have laughable expenses.
Not having anything against pump & dumping local talent, but it's like hooking RV behind a Lambo - it gets the job done but you waste so much potential.
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DaleyCenter 5y ago
Exactly!
Anybody that thinks the hot Bulgarian, Romanian or flip is gonna stay true to their blue pill ass after they become acculturated to the US (and get perm residency or citizenship) is in for a rude surprise.
sour_jesus 5y ago
"What have you done for me lately, Eddie?"
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Thotwrecker 5y ago
This skit is so good because it was in the 80s. Women with no internet, no social media, etc, from countries who didn't have nearly as much media or information were still able to figure out how to come over as a bush bitch and walk out as a high status thot. Imagine now that most of these countries are developed / developing and they have all the same shit culture as we do, same social media exposure, same smartphone rates etc. Women in these countries aren't retarded country bumpkins, they know this shit. They knew it in the 80s, they know it now too.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
That's why you don't get a "Bush Bitch."
Excellent reference, btw.
Meta-h 5y ago
I’ve done a bit of international travel and I would agree that the women in Europe are generally not like the feminist women you find here. Most of the 8s and 9s I met we’re down to earth and cool almost like a non-feminist 6 to 7 in the US.
You never know if the novelty of being foreign and the Alpha perception of the US may play into this though.
Access is most definitely the issue and the deal is that long distance dating is delusional because it takes away from the time you could be using to meet that girl down the block who you can actually take back to your place.
TRPmc117 5y ago
> women in Eastern Europe
FTFY
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It's an important distinction. Western European women are often just as bad as Americans, especially ones from the UK.
kyledontcare 5y ago
I have heard no guy from the UK say anything good about UK women.
geo_gan 5y ago
Women from Liverpool/Manchester wear very little when they go out to clubs in town. There, I said something good about them.
dongpal 5y ago
Ugly and disgusting behavior.
ThatKidinAfrica 5y ago
Is there anything good to be said about them? Vikings took all the pretty bitches to norway.
kyledontcare 5y ago
You sir win the savage award for today!!
DareyFathom 5y ago
It's not reasonable for most western men to go overseas to date women. Many have jobs that require being in their country and don't afford nearly enough leisure time for constant overseas excursions. Not to mention the additional cost associated with travel. Plenty of times bringing a girl to the west will westernize her as well. So then the solution is to live overseas permanently which becomes even more challenging.
JamesSkepp 5y ago
The solution is to raise your SMV an become more alpha, not to go overseas to find a unicorn who'll never cheat on you.
DareyFathom 5y ago
Exactly. Moving overseas fits with only a select percentage of men. Much easier to improve yourself in your home country IMO. I also vehemently oppose the "enjoy the decline" mindset that leaving the west instills. Feminism is a cancer and running to hide from it won't cure it as it will spread and infect everything if allowed.
JamesSkepp 5y ago
The point is not that it's easier, the point is it's wrong mentality to start with. The solution to having a slow car is not to move to a county with speed limit of 5mph, it's to get a faster car.
I can get behind that.
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You guys do realize there are foreign women right here in America? I mean you might have to do a little research but there is plenty of foreign women who want to try men out of their own cultures.
For example I have a friend who loves Asian girls so he started going to places where Asians go, not fake Chinese food restaurants but certain parts of the city.
I myself like East African women, my wife is way finer in every way from education, looks, n count,then I would’ve found in a white girl.
Most white girls in my city are whores with unrealistic expectations. My wife ishead and shoulders above what I would’ve found elsewhere.
Just saying, try all the flavors out before you buy
Edit: my wife was born here she has her citizenship as well as a master degree and I’m coming in the relationship being an ex drug dealer currently on probation with prison time over my head and working for 15/hr
oooKenshiooo 5y ago
I feel like you have some stories to tell...
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redpillbanana 5y ago
Working overseas is a goal that can be achieved. If you work for a large multinational then there will probably be plenty of opportunities to work abroad, from a short stint to a permanent assignment. They may even give you a great package for housing and "hardship" pay on top.
DareyFathom 5y ago
Depends entirely on the personal situation. I couldn't transition smoothly in mine. I'd have to transfer to another sector which would almost certainly hurt me financially. Small business owners are another major contigent that aren't leaving without significant negative consequences. What about any immediate family commitments? Also, as someone that has worked overseas in multiple locations, there are drawbacks to it as well. I'm confident stating that the majority of men aren't going to improve their lives by moving overseas and it is really only a viable solution to a small percentage of western men. Probably largely retirees. Access to higher quality women alone is not what I would deem a meaningful justification to making that decision either.
redpillbanana 5y ago
Sure, there are many obstacles and moving abroad is not a smooth transition for anyone. However it is still a goal that is achievable for many if not most especially if they are still young. Older men who are single are also prime candidates as they'll have more resources at their disposal and can even retire early in a low-cost country.
Baby steps can be taken as well. My recommended course of action to those who are interested is to start out with an extended vacation in their target country. If they still like it, I tell them to try living there while keeping one foot in their home country.
If they don't like it, they can always return home. At least they'll have experience with another culture, hopefully one with women who are not overweight, angry, depressed, and feminist.
DareyFathom 5y ago
I strongly disagree that most men can do this and benefit. A very select percentage in certain career fields can do this. The most accomplished men aren't going to be interested in leaving the west until retiring because the west is still superior for most achievement pursuits. My social group is almost exclusively upper middle class 30+ year old men (data analyst, engineer, lawyer, state trooper, pharmacist, physical therapist, etc.). We've all traveled plenty and know western women are damaged. However, reality is that leaving the west for women would still be a decline in overall quality of life relative to our current standards. The most applicable is for some young men and retirees. This is not going to be useful to most western men.
dr_warlock 5y ago
IT, graphic designer, internet business, webcam tutoring, or lucky assignment.
ahab_dies 5y ago
Find a job that puts you on a foreign country. What's really holding you back?
DareyFathom 5y ago
My high income level that won't be matched overseas as my work and certifications that make me valuable are specific to the US (crime data analyst). Based on my experiences in Colombia and El Salvador, any country with women that aren't westernized won't pay enough to compensate for the decline in quality of life. These will be consistent issues for most men.
ahab_dies 5y ago
Depends where you go. I know loads of western men here in South East Asia who could be making more back home but still make a lot here. Factor in the living costs here and they actually have a much higher standard of living on a slightly lower wage. Personally, I could be making more back home but considering how cheap it is here I actually end up saving more (in ££ too after exchange rates, not local currency) and I have a better lifestyle while I'm saving more and doing a job the other guys in my company didn't want to do because they have families. So basically I'm getting better experience, more savings, making my mark in the company when others wouldn't, and living a better lifestyle by working here. Plus Asian women are way better than Western women.
Too bad about your certifications and stuff being nation specific. That's a genuine problem, for sure. I think a lot of people don't realise how worth it it can be to leave the West, though.
marjeh 5y ago
Exactly. I moved to South America and my experience has been very similar to yours. I don't make as much money as I did back in the States but I spend wayyy less, live a higher quality of life, and although the women aren't perfect, are much much better down here.
It almost seems too good to be true. But hey, I get it, the unknown and all that comes with it may be too "scary" for most to even consider.
But for those daring few who decide to venture outside the gates of the barn, the rewards will be worth it.
ahab_dies 5y ago
It demonstrates really well that the vast majority will always choose the "safe" and "comfortable" option. All it takes a bit of daring, a bit of effort, and a bit of hard work and you can really set yourself apart and find something good for yourself.
Fine by me, if everyone were to do what we did then there would be less to go around :p
Skylights1000 5y ago
She may be “westernized”, but not nearly as much as a girl that’s been here her whole life and have all her values shaped around this culture
420KUSHBUSH 5y ago
Which then begs the question: Is it all even worth it?
Edit: This was rhetorical you people
gattaca_ 5y ago
No. It's a bad idea.
If you don't have any game here, you won't have game elsewhere.
If you want to fuck a 9, just pay a high-end prostitute (assuming you can't get it any other way).
If you want to date a 9, you'll need to be a 9 yourself.
If you're a 5 and want to date a 9 and moving to a third world country is the only way; this is fraught with problems. Whether you bring her back home or leave her there she'll be fucking Chad Thundercock (the domestic or foreign version) who is in fact a 9.
ten-bible 5y ago
False.
Well, sorta true --- but your initial value is higher so you can bag hotter women with less game.
This man has never heard of the concept of Arbitrage. Which is exactly what this is.
And believe me, it exists.
Your value fluctuates between countries dramatically. For a number of reasons. Hell, in some instances, your value can change from room to ROOM even in your hometown. Think about a Band Frontman in a rockin' joint -- and the same guy going to the Board Room the next day as a low-level analyst. Yeah, value changes.
I've even had my value change in the same bar, same night. Two girls were randomly bitchy to me, until they realized I knew 90% of the people in the bar. Suddenly, hot girl A is offering hot girl B up to me for NSA sex (she's lonely!). I rejected her because of my dumb ego at the time (childish decision on my part) but there you go.
It especially changes across continents a whole fuck of a lot.
For women, most of the value is tied in looks, but believe me. If they are Japanese or French and an 8, they are pretty much a 10 here in the US. Men's value fluctuates even more so.
geo_gan 5y ago
Yeah, I remember years ago chatting to two good looking (American i think) girls in a city-center (western european) nightclub. Was talking for a while and they acted interested, until there was a flurry of excitement among all the girls in club and my two disappeared faster than road-runner - I found out what happened soon enough - some of the junior Italian rugby team had arrived into the club. I went from hero to zero in two seconds.
Thotwrecker 5y ago
It is definitely not worth it to maintain a blue pill mentality (I want to find a girl and settle down and get married) and combine it with another blue pill mentality (all girls in the phillipines / colombia / ukraine / thailand) are feminine and will treat me as an alpha), and then use a little sprinkle of RP strategy to try to make it happen.
Fulfilling BP goals using RP ideas generally leads to cognitive dissonnance and dissatisfaction. You know the deal with your Columbian gf / wife, you know why she's with you deep down, even if you pretend. The risks are all still there, she is as much woman as any other woman, and you better keep having something she needs. Basically it's a shitty fantasy too, you can be smart about it and try to fulfill your wife and homemaker "traditional feminine woman" dreams using clever RP tactics, but the goal itself is flawed. You are at best a powerful rocket aimed in the wrong direction.
SKRedPill 5y ago
Lifting is always worth it, girls or no girls.
SeedThrownAway 5y ago
So true. The iron temple will never bullshit you.
destraht 5y ago
Its worth it if you like adventure anyways. I used to shy girls off in California because they lived two hours away by car and I knew that would suck. However, when living in another country even six hours [by public transport] seems pretty ok since I get to go to a new area, have a place to sleep for free when I get there and pussy all lined up.
The trick is to go to a region that you already hopefully like more than where you are coming from and then every new girl is just a new random destination while checking things out. Thats great for me!!!
Well to digress a bit. I can't answer about settling down with one of them yet because I haven't done that. That is very dependent on the country and city. Some places suck or can grow to suck as you are experiencing them. I'm shying away from Colombia now because the Venezuela thing is making traffic unbearable and I just can't get around anymore. So I'm stuck in my neighborhood more than I'd like. Its not going to get better, and other things that go with that. So back to Ukrainish. The refugee situation over there seemed 1/10th as harsh by comparison and I know before and after. It thought that had become kind whacky crowded in L'viv for example, but now I know what 4 points higher feels like and Ukraine is nothing. Anyways to try to make this paragraph make sense, developing countries can go down the pisser real fast and not everyone wants to imagine or deal with that.
DareyFathom 5y ago
I wouldn't really recommend going overseas for a female unless you are able to support it in terms of resources. I am not going to take a massive decline in my quality of life just to have a higher probability of success with higher women.
criveros 5y ago
Quality of life overseas can be much better tho.
fromtheashes--- 5y ago
yeah if you think it’s too much work you simply don’t care enough to do it but at least there’s a way out even if it’s dramatic for a lot of men who yearn for this and can’t get it
Johnnyvile 5y ago
The global ability of dating in general is the issue. Women can get get Instagram comments and even gifts from guys thousands of mike away. People can meet and date living in neighboring states. This gives women way too much confidence in their actual dating pool so why settle down?
It’s great for guys though. Any guy that has his shit together can actually go take trips to areas of dating that the internet and social media have opened.
Yes. European and especially east European women still have that feminine and family based life style and want it. They want to wear dresses and make up, they want manly men. They are also conservative with their open sexuality. This is usually true of smaller cities and towns in Europe because that actually care about how they make themselves and their family look. They will open up if you can get them in bed. Of course there are always sluts everywhere.
geo_gan 5y ago
Not familiar with this SI unit of measurement :-)
Johnnyvile 5y ago
Haha. Just noticed that typo.