A survey of unmarried Japanese people taken by the National Institute of Population and Social Security Research has yielded some surprising results.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article55804480.html
"The number of men with no sexual experience drops with age, but it’s still large at 34: 26.1 percent. For women age 34, it’s somewhat less, but not by much – 23.8 percent." The survey did not include any married people, but it does say a lot about Japanese society.
Many of the men on this sub speak of valuing non-American women higher for LTRs or marriage. If you want a wife and children, perhaps a Japanese woman is a good bet. Seems that there are plenty of them who aren't worn out cum-dumpsters. A woman who hasn't spent her most fertile decade in bars hopping from cock to cock probably has some actual hobbies and is likely to be a more interesting person too. Obesity rates in Japan are also much lower.
I assume AWALT still applies to them, but perhaps in toned down manner without the worst aspects of it. I don't have any real insight into Japanese culture, but perhaps some of the guys on this sub have experience with Japanese women and can comment on their tendencies.
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First of all, Asian women are not attractive. Unless you luck out and get one of those K-pop singers you're going to end up with a woman who isn't all that great to look at. Second.. you want to have half white half japanese sons? LOL good luck with that. The poor boy will not be able to get laid with Asian women or white women.
There are plenty of white women who are not overweight. If a white man can't get one of them its becausee he's inferior. So why exactly would he move to Japan for? Women over there are still not attracted to him.
I don't understand these guys obsession with virgins. Is it because virgins can't compare them to their previous partners because they have none?
mintymonty11 8y ago
Japanese women are the most beutiful I have seen.
and as Im an english teacher I get a good pick!
TheDude41 8y ago
What makes you think people tell the truth on surveys?
TheMGhandi 8y ago
I'm moving to Japan because reasons.
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twatbutter 8y ago
Are they really racist against brown people in Japan? Sounds sorta random, I wonder why.
EDDbDG 8y ago
No reason really, besides thinking your country is "dirty" and hating the color of your skin.
IronMeltsinmyHands 8y ago
Julien Blanc got in shit for saying white dudes can get Jap poon with little to no resistance.
What do you think he experienced that led him to that conclusion?
I dated a Chinese bitch once. Never again. It's doable, get some mustard of that toast. A lot of people will think its strange, which it is because you don't see indian/asian [you know what i mean] couples. But doable none the less.
TheMGhandi 8y ago
Most Asians are beta. Getting Asian chicks is so easy because the other team doesn't even show up.
IronMeltsinmyHands 8y ago
...YOU'RE ASIAN!
indian but, still.
snowdude_fz 8y ago
He's right. Being a tall white confident guy in Japan is playing easy mode for getting laid.
IronMeltsinmyHands 8y ago
Hence, the fact that you can shove slant-eyed faces into your white crotch.
Oh, grow up. Callin em slant-eyes isn't racist. What? You don't think they call the rest of us "round-eyes?"
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twatbutter 8y ago
It is strange, though, I don't really see many east-asian/south-asian couples. Wonder why that is.
IronMeltsinmyHands 8y ago
I'm not gonna spell it out for you kid.
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Women are notoriously untruthful about their sexual past.
Even on anonymous surveys women will lie. Why?
Because they have told the lie so often to themselves that they don't know any other truth.
AWALT
If they haven't had dick then they've had dildos and sea cucumbers and fingers and table legs and whatever else they could find.
Also, the age of consent is like 13 in Japan. There are no virgins in Japan at 34 unless they are fugly.
Stythe 8y ago
"Blowjobs don't count." Also I don't buy it. Its a survey. Who views surveys as accurate?
Titanstone 8y ago
As someone who is in an LTR with a Japanese girl, let me tell you it is FAR superior to any relationship with an American girl. They are more traditional, have had typically less partners, are not fat, dress feminine, will try hard to keep you, and can cook well. Shit tests? Hardly any. They don't have this primal urge to out man the other men. While AWALT still applies, and there are many westernized women in Japan, it does not even come close to the wasteland like America.
You do not have to be alpha all the time. Beta behaviors will even be welcomed do to the nature of how women are perceived. For example, buying a woman, plate, or LTR flowers in generally a pussy beta move, but for a Japanese girl it is unheard of to receive them. A 10$ bouquet will go far more than any 100$ date ever could. Did I mention they are down to split the bill quite often?
There can be cultural and language barriers to overcome, but for men interested in LTR's, Japanese or any woman from a more traditional society is a superior choice. I'm not saying they are unicorns by any means, but compared to the American girls I have been in LTRs with, it's like night and day.
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rpscrote 8y ago
Sounds like you're getting played. AWALT. Women from other cultures are nearly universally said here to be better at playing the dutiful wife until she's gotten what she wants (green card, marriage + kids, provider, etc.) Watch what happens if you get married and have kids. Beta is beta. It's based in biology first and culture second.
_evokelabs_ 8y ago
Do you live in a western society or in Japan?
If you live in a western soicety, was she an migrant from Japan or born where you're from?
I ask because I think community and environment is everything.
JimmyJiangh 8y ago
If you're a foreigner, you may be meeting women who have a foreigner fetish.
BeyondDedication 8y ago
This is not exclusive to Japanese women, these women do exist in the US.
Young sheltered country girls with strong father figures. Last LTR, home schooled, father was a police officer, her 21, me 30. Current LTR, also 21, lives on a farm, doesn't drink or party, father owns a weapons machine shop.
Both swoon when I bought them $5 grocery store roses, or when I cook a simple meal. They feel GUILTY when I take them out to dinner because it costs something! They just want to come over, fuck, watch movies, cuddle, and bake for me. Found both on match.com by demonstrating a blend of alpha and beta qualities.
wont_tell_i_refuse 8y ago
I also have had great experiences with US girls. I think there's elements of the culture that could produce a unicorn. A basically Puritanical national character, for instance. You won't find that in a godless place like Britain, which is where RP stereotypes really become obvious.
RP thought as we know it is a reaction to the brutal sexual marketplace of secular East Coast metropolitan centers. Guys on here fantasizing about Eastern brides might do well to check the more rural areas of our country.
BeyondDedication 8y ago
I've found a lot of common traits in these girls to look for, green flags if you will
I'll think of more...
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Wow all of those describe my LTR right now. I'd also add
*Has an artistic/musical streak (mine sings choir and plays piano)
*Good fashion sense in terms of colors, textures etc. (ie. not just to show off her body)
*Has an understanding that men and women are different and that our roles in the relationship are different.
wont_tell_i_refuse 8y ago
Has to be #1 on the list. If she's got just a basic bitch Facebook profile with some pictures of her at her high school musical, huge green flag. A made-up, carefully curated selfie as a default is a warning sign that she's an active user of Tinder.
My old girl had all those traits and was a virgin; the fact that you found two heartens me. And the fact that she had those green flags in common shows it's a solid list. Thanks for talking up certain American chicks, it's an unexplored angle for guys on here.
BeyondDedication 8y ago
My current LTR has a professionally taken picture of her and her cow as her main FB pic. It only has 4 comments, 3 from women, one from her uncle.
Not. One. Single. Orbiter.
I just told her I'll be proud to walk into X with her on my arm later. She said that almost made her cry. And she's baking me an apple pie.
One thing to add. You cannot come off overly sexual with these girls at first. Once you've bedded her, sure, but play your hand very carefully and slowly.
wont_tell_i_refuse 8y ago
Funny, I met mine when I accidentally opened the wrong dorm room door and BLATANTLY stared at her (huge) tits for about a minute. I was entranced. She dressed conservatively and happened to be in her pajamas, so I think being desired in that way for the first time turned her on.
In retrospect didn't perv on her or act like I wanted her too much, so I agree it's key. But subtly showing that you want to fuck the daylights out of her (and not take her to a fancy picnic and "get to know her") can go a long way. Most guys probably act respectful towards these chicks, so you wanna stand out.
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officerkondo 8y ago
Married to one for 15 years now. Not sure about "completely changing" but AWALT applies still applies. Still better than Western women by a long shot. She often thanks me for all I do or will apologize if things at home aren't right. Example: yesterday evening I came home from a three-day business trip and she was upset that she was busy helping the kids with their homework so dinner wasn't quite ready. "This isn't how I wanted to welcome you." Game them and everything is cream cheese.
stunningandbrave 8y ago
Ah yes, the beta bux trap. Clever.
NutellaPancakeMan 8y ago
http://www.japantoday.com/category/lifestyle/view/foreign-men-share-their-reasons-for-divorcing-japanese-wives
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Nothing in what I read seemed to indicate that they completely changed. Guys have bad frame with money, guy has bad frame with sex guy can't afford to move in-laws to Virginia to care for the women. They don't transform; AWALT applies all the time . They are ODing on commitment.
StoicCrane 8y ago
Didn't read anything particularly specific to cultural differences aside from the Jspouse wanted to go sexless after kids. Seems like these examples just boiled down to being too young, too financially demanding, too in affectionate, etc.
Things that can happen in any relationship.
MakeEmSayAyy 8y ago
Yeah but they cutely call you "baka" when they are schoolgirls
surfjihad 8y ago
Doesn't that mean stupid? Baka gaijin means stupid foreigner
PedroIsWatching 8y ago
> bro my girlfriend has the cutest nickname for me
> what is it
> "bukkake", it's a traditional Japanese word
grumblegrim 8y ago
I think what he's describing is when a girl is acting "tsundere."
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sqrt7744 8y ago
Mutilation doesn't solve anything.
SeaJayCJ 8y ago
Except it does - it solves the problem of having unwanted children.
"Mutilation" or not, sterilization is the only truly foolproof contraception for men, end of story.
sqrt7744 8y ago
How about not sticking your dick into not-wife?
NakedAndBehindYou 8y ago
TRP exists to help men get laid...
gonorealover 8y ago
Are you fucking lost or something ? What the fuck are you doing here lol ?
SeaJayCJ 8y ago
You're on the wrong sub, kid.
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sqrt7744 8y ago
No, this isn't child free, it's trp. Enhancing your masculinity is incompatible with neutering yourself, except in some twisted reality where real men have worthless and useless balls.
Also, I'm not a 'kid', kid.
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sqrt7744 8y ago
Too late for me, married and have two kids, am happy, want more kids, but I live in Europe so maybe things are different here.
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RedMoonAscendant 8y ago
Huh? Half breeds are top tier.
midoriringo 8y ago
Can you expand on this please?
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I'm dating a Chinese girl and his comments are pretty much reflected. Although she doesn't cook she has made me truffles (from scratch), buys me ice cream regularly pays for half the dates and always comes to me. The only time I ever go to her place is if she comes to mine first and we need to get something from her side of the city.
The slightest glimpse from another women even one less attractive she goes into a mate guarding behavior. Instant Kino often followed later by repetitive sexual advances. The slightest disinterest and she will literally either get naked or strip me until I'm interested.
Prior to me she had only a handful of dates and bleed like a stuck pig the first few times we had sex which is a pretty good indicator she was a virgin.
She also constantly attempts to ego stroke me on my intelligence, strength, dick size, you name it.
I jokingly gave her the earring I got out of a Christmas cracker in a Birks jewellers box and she was brought to tears of joy. I let the cat out of the bag and gave her real gift and it was all the same all over again.
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RedSugarPill 8y ago
Instant. Absolute. Total. Hard. Next. Never acknowledge that person's existence again, immediately, now, and forever.
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killsyou123 8y ago
Is she from China or was she born in your country?
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She is the child of immigrants raised in the west under a stereotypical tiger mom with unimpressed Asian father. She was raised in the west for the most part.
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Dustin_Bromain 8y ago
What an impressive find. But would you marry her? It's completely against TRP principles. Then again, she's probably going to push for it eventually.
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we talked about it however I discouraged it. She is more pushing for a kid than a ring atm. However she is also ovulating so that expected.
Dustin_Bromain 8y ago
Ah, I see. Good luck in handling that, lol.
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twatbutter 8y ago
Where? The bible belt/deep south or something? And how do you know these women are virgins and not just extremely good at keeping their n-count a secret?
marplaneit 8y ago
I've seen with Friends when we were teenagers and they took some 17's 16's girl virginity, those bitches followed them for 2-3 years.
I find that the are some "plateus" on bonding ability of woman depending on the number of partners, just from experience, not science.
1-100% Bonding 2-5 partner- It is easy to bond. 6-10 Partner - Medium difficulty to bond... 11-20 Partner - Here we enter in the cynical bitch mode, sadly almost every single hb6 ++ Above 23-24 are found here. 20-50 Partners - Run, run like a motherfucker.
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Such a perfect typo on the word cynical
Interisti10 8y ago
different culture. otaku life
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I lived in Japan for 4 years during my 20's and dated/banged a lot of Japanese women. The statistic above is correct. I was really surprised by the amount of virgins I encountered during my time there.. especially considering how they dressed/looked.
Japanese children largely don't leave home until their late 20's or 30's, making it difficult for them to fuck their boyfriends/girlfriends so they use the short time Love Hotels scattered throughout the cities. Some girls are just clueless and caught up in cute shit like disneyland and hello kitty that they forget to grow up and get a boyfriend etc and are still at home well into their 30's and never been kissed, fingered, fucked etc.
Generally speaking, Japanese women are all about traditional roles, submissive to their men and marry out of convenience over love. They want to be cared for by the best possible provider. It's almost like a business transaction, everyone saves face because the girl married, she bears the man children, he has a hot wife and both their families are happy.
But the Japanese are incredibly promiscuous! Both men and woman are not loyal to their partners. Most of the time both parties are aware of extra marital affairs but don't say anything as they are cheating themselves. Divorce is frowned upon so they stick together and seem to "come back" to each other physically and emotionally as they age.
I taught English to adults for those 4 years and developed many strong friendships with my students, some who invited me into their homes, introduced me to their families, took me to bars and restaurants, explained Japanese culture to me and many confided in me their secret lives.
This gave me some amazing insight into the lives of Japanese Businessmen (salary men) and their night time antics, their bored housewives, 20 something Japanese singles, 30 something singles still living at home with mama and papa etc
My favorite expression the Japanese used was "christmas cake" referring to an unmarried woman over 25.... Nobody wants christmas cake after 25.
I'm happy to try and answer any questions.
ReasonFreak 8y ago
The Christmas Cake thing, fucking genius.
Nofap192192 8y ago
Ha-ha that Christmas cake thing is jokes. I noticed women generally go through body changes around that age too, must be a hormonal thing
PabloEscoba 8y ago
Sounds a lot like women shaming men about getting married
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this was between 2002-2007 thereabouts. You are correct, I wasn't in central Tokyo I was one prefecture away in what I would call a "blue collar" area.
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I did a couple of visa runs to Korea. Those girls were hot as fuck but can't be trusted.
Easih 8y ago
of course they were hot, Korea is one of the country with the most surgery enhancement:).
DforDeadpool 8y ago
Well, I dare them to do the same research in America or Europe.
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That number has to be like, 2%
theDarkAngle 8y ago
I'd reckon its a bit higher for women but certainly nowhere near 23%. We tend to forget there are a lot of shut-in bookworms and just very unattractive women that we just never really see/notice.
sqerl 8y ago
Either you forgot a decimal place or need to drop the % :)
Tman5691 8y ago
Or reduce the survey age by 20 years.
FramedInRed 8y ago
Hahaha! I've been reading this sub a long time but you, you beautiful sonofabitch, finally caught me with a mouth full of coffee. Dammit now I need to clean my keyboard. That was perfect. Well done!
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No way, at least 60% of them are /s
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Any self reporting survey is generally suspect.
While I don't doubt some of these women could be virgins a I suspect a good portion are attempt to faint purity in the hopes that it can be used to land a man before there eggs completely expire.
exit_sandman 8y ago
Yeah, but if they bother to feign purity in the first place (by admitting they're m'fucking virgins at the age of 34 FFS) this means that this sort of purity is valued considerably higher than it is here.
AlienPsychic51 8y ago
They'll flush the toilet to keep others from hearing them pee. Modesty is pretty important to them. I would imagine that they might not be exactly truthful about their sexual experience.
twatbutter 8y ago
No, it really isn't. Given how common porn/sex industries in Japan are I'd think that modesty isn't as big as you make it out to be. Don't conflate "cultural mannerisms/taboo" with RP tendencies. This is an easy mistake to make.
AlienPsychic51 8y ago
Yes, I'm well aware of the porn industry there. Beautiful, horny women...
Only thing is what is up with the blurring of the best parts?
Perhaps not modesty but a form of misguided morally?
Sounds like you might agree with me that the numbers are probably higher than the poll says.
Do you have a better theory as to why they may not be 100% honest?
twatbutter 8y ago
It's probably just a cultural mannerism, analogous to some of the ones we have in the west that they'd consider strange. I think that the % of women claiming to be virgins is smaller than what they say, for sure.
As for the honesty aspect, I usually don't make pan-cultural claims but I am willing to bet it falls back into basic female cultural shame about their n-count. In Japan don't they value a woman who is this paragon of innocence/virtue? Hell, isn't that fetishized there? I'd imagine that plays into it.
AlienPsychic51 8y ago
Yup, I think that you're on the right track with that idea.
Personal image that they want to keep and project to others.
Ain't that what we all want?
A lady on the street and a freak at home in the bed.
tgeda 8y ago
Imagine the: "Heerr derr derrr wai yooo feel entitulled 2 assshunn womeeens"
If this was about white females
Hollerich 8y ago
Japanese girls are dishing it out at 12 - 14 years old. Don't kid yourself. This is normal. Also, a lot of these 15 year old girls have 35 or 40 year old "daddies" that treat them nice and buy them $1,000 handbags. Walk around Shinjuku or Shibuya and you see teenage girls with designer bags. They get these gifts through the school girl "enjo" culture that exists in Japan.
Second, the so-called Japanese herbivore men are not truly like western MGTOW. These Japanese guys are not doing this voluntarily, at least not most of them. Many of them are dejected, yes, but most are not appealing to women, either. I really doubt that there are Japanese MGTOW, for example, like Barbarossa, on Youtube, who espouse the MGTOW philosophy. In short, what I am arguing here is that the Japanese herbivore phenomenon is not entirely occurring for the same reasons as MGTOW in the west, nor does is have the same philosophical underpinnings that western MGTOW has. It's quite different in Japan, I think. Japan is, in many respects, its own world.
adr007 8y ago
I live in Japan. These stats are lies for ladies.
There is a very strong unspoken culture amongst the youth to 'graduate' from virginity by end of high school. The 'you aint truly an adult till you lose your V'. University girls here ride the serial monogamy CC. The gap here between the alphas and the betas and omegas are huge.
Could be true for guys though, due to very strong porn and 'fleshlight' industry here. You can literally buy porn comics and stuff in a 7-11 5 minutes from your place.
RedBigMan 8y ago
Don't listen to what women say. Watch what they do.
Unless they did virginity verification to see if they were lying I'd imagine in a conservative society like Japan every woman would lie because admitting you fucked 20 chad's is like social suicide and would bring disgrace and dishonor on you and your family or some shit like that.
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redpillbanana 8y ago
I'd have to agree with you. This is the country that invented the love hotel after all.
[deleted] 8y ago
Exactly.
AWALTEAWD.
All women are like that, especially asian women, dumbass.
The whole "Asian women are these nice perfect traditional submissive special unicorns" is mostly just a meme, at least concerning women from the major cities. Rural (asian) women are much more redpill.
NakedAndBehindYou 8y ago
This is typically how it is in the USA. If you haven't lost your virginity by around age 18, which is when most kids graduate high school, then you're edging on loser-ville.
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Brucebruce90 8y ago
Alpha.. beta.. how would u describe an omega?
adr007 8y ago
Basically Otaku, Hikikimori types.
Obeleet 8y ago
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=omega+male
dapowa 8y ago
UD definition fits a Sigma, not omega.
Obeleet 8y ago
My bad, I just googled and copied it. You are totally right, though.
twatbutter 8y ago
I've seen tons of examples of Japanese beta males and omegas, but I've pretty much never seen a Japanese "alpha." What do they look like/what is the criterion for them in Japan? I'd assume it's similar to what all women like (Buff, tall, facial symmetry, etc.)
Moldy_Gecko 8y ago
A Japanese "Alpha" is a foreigner. We reign supreme over here.
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lol. Watch Japanese romantic movies to get an idea of what the Japanese Alpha male is. He's not muscular at all. That's a white man fantasy that big muscles = Alpha.
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[deleted] 8y ago
Google Yoshihiro Akiyama. MMA/ Judo champion. Model and ..... Opera singer. The guy has to know how to fight so he can get through all the bitches and into his own home.
grachuss 8y ago
I've been there a few times. Never really saw an Alpha in normal society. However I saw a lot of them in the Yakuza run bars.
cs181181 8y ago
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Never seen a Japanese alpha? What about the yakuza?
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[deleted] 8y ago
Yakuza and pro japanese athletes.
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EDDbDG 8y ago
Probably a guy that is interested in sports, not anime and games, has a decent social life. Unlike white people, they don't have an obsession with muscle/"getting swole".
So the "ideal Japanese man" probably looks like a square enix character (look at all the male jap celebs) and has a talent, like sports or music.
twatbutter 8y ago
It seems that Jap women still like their men lean, though, if not muscular/big. But yeah they do seem to look like square enix characters hahaha
FLFTW16 8y ago
I wonder if such Western labels really work in a place like Japan--which is like the Galapagos in that it's a unique environment that evolved in isolation.
I would think Japanese samurai would be quite alpha. That class of people became the officers in the Imperial army and navy, and after WWII was lost they morphed into the salarymen, the officers of the economy. Probably no one here would consider a salaryman an alpha. He's a cog in a very large machine, totally obedient and also totally disposable. But if you know your Japanese history--the samurai were just as obedient and disposable. That was their role and if their lord and master commanded them to kill themselves they usually did it without much hesitation.
The alpha-beta-gamma-omega breakdown in the West makes sense because it's been an individual-oriented society for a long time. In such an environment it is important to stand out, to assert yourself and try to be a leader. It's important because women deemed it important. We do it because those that fail to do it failed to mate and continue the cycle. But Japanese culture (and the East Asian mindset in general) never emphasized the individual. The group always mattered more than any member of the group. That's why their family name comes first, given name last.
It's interesting to think about. Not all social theories and explanations are universal. TRP is, in general, an explanation. A male reaction and explanation of the Western male experience. Whether our knowledge and wisdom about that experience is applicable to Japan, I don't know but it's great fun to think about.
[deleted] 8y ago
Your comparison with the East vs West cultures really blew my mind!
I'm an Asian dude (20yo) living in an Asian country, though in terms of culture I identify myself more with Western culture -- valuing autonomy over the collective. Because of this, I suspect, I've experienced great success with European women (and other women from an international/Western background), but generally feel "out of place" with women that are more traditional (goals to be a good housewife, get married in mid 20s, domestic, etc). In fact, according to local culture I'm deemed as "selfish", a side effect of not being integrated into the collective.
Would love to hear your insights on this, specifically how I can better integrate myself into the local culture/collective. Doing so would not only benefit my dating pool, but also benefit my career/reputation in the workplace in the future!
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I love living here. The Alphas here are quite different. Mainly in that the culture idea of alpha seems to be synonymous with patriarch. Some common characteristics I've noticed are:
Example: My Japanese teacher organizes half the language exchange classes in the city, sold half a dozen businesses, volunteers nearly all of his time directly making his community better, and has more achievements than I can be bothered to list. He's 65, but looks 50, and does so much physical labor he's made of wood. The only negative thing I have to say about him is that it's impossible for me to get the time from my female classmates if he's in the building.
So, my rough theory is that there are fewer alphas around because there can only be one "king" so to speak. Once there's a power figure present, the cultural tendency is to fall into line, and work as a unit while the boss directs.
Kathulos 8y ago
Japan is definitely a different culture. Google Japanese host club. You will see their version of alpha. Short Youtube video. The first one that came up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHHpjjKzZTU
Vovamas 8y ago
That's a big stretch. I studied Japanese history as a minor in my undergrad. The loyality of samurai is pretty inflated. The whole "Kill yourself on your master's order" is a myth. The only way this could happen is if the samurai failed in combat. And honorable suicide was usually an alternative to a much more torturous punishment by death, which would also smear your reputation after death. But samurai were, nontheless, extremely alpha for the most part. They never really became extinct either, just went undercover. Don't be surprised if a Japanese politician or captain of industry turns out to be a descendant of some samurai clan. Also, when you see a movie about "downfall" of samurai, like "Last Samurai", keep in mind that the Imperial conscript army you see gunning down samurai horsemen with a gatling gun towards the end of the film - every officer and higher up in it was actually a samurai.
Fuck_shadow_bans 8y ago
There are definitely Japanese alphas. They simply don't behave like American alphas, because "social dominance" is defined by the social context that you exist in. Japan has a culture that is pretty unique in the world. South Korea is probably the closest one, but there are plenty of distinct and important differences. Once you understand Japanese power structures, you start to figure out who the alphas are much more easily.
That said, nothing trumps evolution, and the big, muscular gorilla-types can basically run train in Japan, provided you are an outsider. Inhibitory social customs are more likely to pop up when she views you as "one of us" rather than a "mysterious stranger".
Sdom1 8y ago
You're right. Everyone has to remember that TRP defines alpha in terms of a set of ideals men should strive toward, and not in the strict sense necessarily. Samurais were very alpha if you consider the more classical definition of being in a high social leadership position and thus dominant over other men in their society.
Also, in re: your galapagos point, there are genetic differences between races, and in East Asians the trend for individuality is the lowest (just as their IQ is the highest). This is observed even in asians adopted into white families - higher IQ, less aggressiveness, less individuality than their white peers and siblings.
I don't consider that to be a weakness, really. Japan was historically a society with very strong warrior traditions, as we all know, and they tend to punch well above their weight in every endeavor.
So, while here we think of alphas as very individualistic, in Japan duty is emphasized and to some extent, genetically selected for over ages. So, while a Samurai would gut himself if his lord told him to, that wouldn't make him a beta, as his position in society was quite high. To that point, if you did anything he saw as challenging that position, he would immediately kill you.
boxofcookies101 8y ago
I've been to some of the eastern asian countries, and usually the theory applies but the Avenue to accomplish it changes.
To be alpha in the society one must understand what the culture values are and then excel at it.
For example: In china, having money, status, and intelligence is alpha in that society. This is often illustrated when the college girls sneak out with their rich sugar daddies despite possibly having boyfriends. Or the girls at the #2 college in China would rather date the guys from the #1 because their thought of as smarter.
Once you find what the culture hinges itself on you can exploit it.
officerkondo 8y ago
Samurai were notorious debtors. Remember that samurai was a social class, not a job. Women were also in the samurai class. One reason homosexuality was such a big thing for the samurai was that due to often having little money, only the first son could inherit anything of value. Few samurai families had any sort of real wealth or influence. It's like the difference between a colonel and a lance corporal. Yes, they are both in the military but one has a hell of a lot more standing and resources than the other.
The merchants were actually the highest in terms of actual status although lowest in terms of caste status.
I've definitely observed alphas in Japan, although it is hard to peg to any specific job just like we would never say something like, "all doctors are alpha".
RedDeadlift 8y ago
Great comment. Fascinating and insightful. You have me thinking about other East Asian cultures now as well.
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bromance946 8y ago
The first generation of salarymen officers after WWII were quite alpha. Serving in war sort of does that to you. For nearly 50 years they led Japan's economic rise and success. The generations born since then have been coddled and pathetic. Japanese masculinity basically died after they lost the ability to fight in wars and now all you have is... well, Japan today. After 1998 the post-WWII generation was spent and/or retired and Japan started going into its death spiral.
Troll_Name 8y ago
It's the baby boomer effect - people who are raised in the lap of luxury tend to make poorer decisions than people who had to win their meals one at a time.
US had the most pronounced baby boom. With the rest of the world's factories in smouldering ruins, US slightly-skilled work skyrocketed in value. Where factory work once got you coal for your mother's apartment, it suddenly got you a house. This led to the US having a multi-generational poopstain where the old people think it's normal for everyone to buy a house and the young people think they should get a house for frying burgers.
Japan's WWII age went through shit like no others; they were used as pawns of an empire only to be blamed for empire's decisions. This is similar to but larger than the shit a modern man goes through to ready him for accepting the red pill.
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Interesting.. I've always heard this of samurai loyalty, but a few years ago I took a Germanic studies class in which the prof explained how the popular conception of medieval honor is completely misunderstood. It was largely about exactly the kind of loyalty that samurai anecdote highlights; a willingness to ignore self interest because loyalty is a higher value, and obey your sovereign even if he tells you to kill yourself.
I think it's only because we've gone so far toward individualism that we don't see medieval honor requiring the same blind loyalty being a samurai does. It's weird how that's a positive trait in a collectivist society and a negative trait in our individualist ones (I'm see the holocaust and the "following orders," Nuremberg trials contribute).
Wasn't there some cultural exchange between Japan and Germany involving beer as well? One that explains why Japan has such awesome beer?
Troll_Name 8y ago
Tiny bit of insight: 'honor' in the old sense didn't mean popularity or public opinion, but rather how bad of an idea it was to fuck with you. Being a 'man of honor' means being ready to destroy a threat before it destroys you.
It's a concept bluepill despises. What young men need most today is honor.
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It did, but part of making it a bad idea to fuck with is having the favour of a monarch. Their word was law after all, and no matter how good you are in a fight, a group of men will still be a huge problem for you.
I agree, though, and that's something people whose self worth is based on how "giving," they are have absolutely no sympathy for.
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It does, it's just different. If you look at the right places you will find them.
A) As you said, you don't become alpha by position. Salaryman are high ranked people, yet they are ultra-beta. In western societies you have people who want to work and achieve something, and others who just do their jobs. This high achiever group is the pool of potential alphas. In Japan this doesn't exist. You can't personally stand out, thus no obvious alphas there.
And in a second dimension, Japan gives authority to people due to senority. Everyone has a sempai and a kohai. Relations are personal. Since you can't avoid this social responsibility, pretty much everyone has to be the leader of his "underlings" (kohei) while he has to be servant to their bosses (sempai). This is something that doesn't exist in the west, so it's hard to compare. Everyone is a leader by some degree but only on a personal level. You won't see that as a tourist.
B) Since being a good worker means fitting in perfectly. Being a western alpha means to stand out in a positive way. You won't find them in normal office life. Construction workers, artisans and (traditional) martial artists/sports people on the other hand are allowed to stand out. Sport stars even have to stand out to become famous (in a japanese way though).
Western people are looking for high salary, famous and rich people standing out. Dude in a good suit being a cool individual. This is different from Japan. In Japan fitting in is more important than personal performance. Alpha almost means deviant and these people are more of the low-level part of society.
CQC3 8y ago
Everybody has raised some very interesting points above.
I remember Mark Manson saying that the best part about a culture is usually the worst thing about it too. I find that to be pretty true.
A lot of people are impressed by the Japanese politeness and discipline towards custom and the cultural expectations. Those things are impressive in a lot of ways, especially when you live in the multicultural US where there is an increasing lack of any sort of community cohesion.
Japanese homogeneity is very fascinating to me. The cultural cohesiveness is impressive, but the pressure to fit in must be astounding. I think on paper stuff like that sounds really good, but when you have so many ritualistic formalities for social relations and manners, it looks nice, but I imagine the game/machiavellianism could not be any less underfoot.
When you have a vehicle to display that you say all the right things and know all the right manners--social calibration, it makes it that much easier to go undetected. The Japanese have stuff like honorifics in their social relations, so anybody who chooses to always show the proper deference can easily put on the mask of the culturally adjusted and charming person. In the US, you'd have to improvise to show off the same thing.
I imagine the hypocrisy of living in a society that puts up a real nice and polite face but is a sweltering mess of all the usual human emotions, it must be a pretty dark contrast. There is no room for the individual there, or so it seems from an outsider. I don't know how they're changing or if they are.
I guess if you want to stand out you have to play to the idiosyncrasies of the culture, kind of like going through "official" channels. Being an outcast sucks, I imagine the need to fit in is even greater over there, so a lot of Japanese must try really hard to do so.
In the US on the other hand, there is an enormous pressure to NOT fit in, to stand out in a good way. Hence part of why we have become a materialistic culture where the average person tries to define themselves by what they like, what they can brand themselves with.
Companies market their lifestyle brands and a certain image develops around it, the large majority of people center themselves around what kind of "look" or archetype they want to play to and deck themselves out in the right brands who have already marketed that look out into the public. So essentially, most people just borrow their superficial identities.
Sdom1 8y ago
This statement is maybe half true or less, and that is only in our current post-sexual revolution feminist environment of the last 40 years or so. Before that, this would be 100% false. Historically, your social position was the main determinant of how much pussy you got and hence your alpha status.
That was why most nobles had a mistress or two, (the king of France had a stable of the most beautiful teenage girls in France). Do you think some shit kicking peasant had multiple women? It was most likely rare.
MyRedAccount 8y ago
The exceptions still existed. Minstrels, and actors didn't follow the same rules as normal people then, same as now. Other ones from the time period that held some erotic status are stableboys(low), and valets(beta). I'm basically saying music, social skills, horses, and social skills. Obviously gladiators, soldiers, etc... too, so brawn has always been useful, but that's a lot more obvious.
Sdom1 8y ago
But still, by your own admission they were exceptions.
MyRedAccount 8y ago
Oh, of course. Most people don't have the balls to break the rules at all times. You had to be really high rank to be raised where the rules didn't apply, but that still exists. Things are a bit looser for the average person though.
VodkaTankerSpill 8y ago
Samurai no alpha man. Living a life of servitude is not what strong men do.
monsunland 8y ago
I disagree. I have always thought that kneeling with a sword and cutting one's own guts out was absolutely the most badass behavior imaginable, taking utmost courage.
stunningandbrave 8y ago
"Being dead is gonna get me so much pussy lol I'm so alfa"
wont_tell_i_refuse 8y ago
Look at this guy, trying to tell me samurai aren't alpha. Tell me Chad, what would you do in the situation? Accepting your position in the social hierarchy and fighting to maintain the highest position possible (=most security, hottest women) is alpha.
Going ronin may be more "alpha" per se, but then that's the difference between a piece of shit bad boy and a man who excels in both his professional and sexual exploits.
Troll_Name 8y ago
Samurai / knights / whatever are just the made men of the past. You make your bones, you take your oath, you become part of the family.
Trying to connect this with sexual strategy is pointless. They were typically strong and confident men, yes, but not because of their status. They had their status because they were strong and confident. People who fucked up either died or were banished out of the country - in any nation including feudal Japan.
VodkaTankerSpill 8y ago
Lol, there were other professions in addition to being meat fodder.
wont_tell_i_refuse 8y ago
I got some meat fodder for ya right here, cabron.
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In Japan you have this effect called "Herbivore men", which are men who don't lust after pussy and are the definition of a given up omega. This will lead to the destruction of the Japanese nation(atleast if this doesn't stop).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men
Fuck_shadow_bans 8y ago
That's a symptom, not a cause.
Sdom1 8y ago
Doesn't a lot of this come from the fact that Japan has been in an economic decline for 25 or so years? Between that and the fact that they work people to death. I was reading articles claiming that there are Salarymen that sleep 3 or so hours a night, and basically work the rest of the time.
If I slept 3 hours a night and worked my ass off, my life would be a nightmare. I'm not sure how that's even possible.
mugatucrazypills 8y ago
I'm calling BS on them actually working that much. The Salaryman goes home to a "monster" wife that runs the roost and henpecks him to death, hence "Fear of Going Home Syndrome", "Suicide Wood" and "Public Uriniation Train Station". These men would rather spend hours out with their coworkers literally drinking themselves to death. You can buy porn AND hard liquor at the supermarket, corner store, etc and I doubt they card much.
Herbovore men would be Japans MGTOW. It's an opt out. Likewise, the Women are reportedly more self absorbed and more interested in shopping make-up and self than any western lady and have sentenced themselves to whatever the Japanese equivalent of cat farming spinsterhood is, having downed the poison pill of Japanese style girl power feminism.
A Japanese Alpha to me is closer to what a traditional Alpha is than in the rest of the world. An old dude with seniority, power and money with an army of throwaway salarymen working under him who see pussy once in a blue moon. These guys at the top have white ladies flown in satisfy their fetishes, but 30 years into a recession and population decline the life for your average japanese male is a less violent form of serving in the Japanese Army in WW2, all suffering and sacrifice, no gain.
MyRedAccount 8y ago
You can't buy porn and hard liquor at the supermarket? Buying porn is kind of retarded these days, but before it became a mostly non-viable business you used to be able to. There's still half an isle of hard liquor most places, plus the small bottles at the help desk. This is in the NE US.
twatbutter 8y ago
I saw this in a normal-reddit post today as well. It seems like these are common trends in modern, 1st-world feminized nations.
TheYambag 8y ago
I think more herbivoremen are really just incels. I used to say I was an herbivoreman, but that's only because it was easier than admitting that I was so pathetic with my social life that women were basically running from me.
It happens though. My dating live has historically been so much work for so little payout that eventually I just gave up and stopped trying. Only recently did I even begin to take steps to try and turn that around (Thanks Red Pill). But as of now, I haven't has sex in 7 years, and since then I've only kissed one girl, and she was the initiator.
However, saying that I don't want sex is a total lie, and an excuse. I want sex, all my friends who are like me want sex. We're not "disinterested" we're very interested, but it's easier and more comfortable to say that we're disinterested.
widec 8y ago
To add to that, there's also a stigma of trying too hard to get a relationship or casual sex. It has to appear natural to some people. But the reality is some people will have to put in more effort to get the same results. If it takes them a massive amount of effort, it's easier just to focus on something that is more suited for you.
dxfifa 8y ago
I'm an uncomfortable cross between the two. I was completely incel for longer than most guys (kissing included) and I have social anxiety. This means that i really don't like meeting up with girls. I could hide behind a screen and game girls well enough that some showed interest but the fact that i'd never done anything caused me to be avoidant. I'm 18 and I've gamed enough girls on fb to be in double figures if i met up with them. I've started to socialise and go out in the past couple of years and I seem to get girls interested enough but that incel attitude runs deep. I'd like to fuck these girls but somehow every time I convince myself that they're just friendly and I don't want them. Even when i'm wasted and I know for a fact the girl is keen i can only do light kino.
In conclusion I am a herbivore man as it's my choice that i don't get girls (not lack of interest) but it's not due to lack of desire or lack of options. It's due to my incel status fueling my anxiety. I feel worse than other guys with my attitude of "fake disinterest" because it's so easy for me to fix compared to other dudes. I've always had the opportunities for success omegas would kill for but I don't take them.
twatbutter 8y ago
You know your problem and have recognized it. That's an important step-- now go tackle the root problems. If you're fat/scrawny go hit the gym. If you are poorly groomed go hit a hairdresser up; if you wear glasses and look like Lester the Unlikely go get contacts. If your game is shit, well, just look up the hundreds of people giving advice here who know game well.
And yeah, no doubt these terms are just Politically-Correct sprinkles on what amounts to shitty male physique or game.
KyfhoMyoba 8y ago
And lay off the rice. Carbs'll kill you.
Easih 8y ago
what a ridiculous statement considering a big part of the world eat rice daily.I grew up with rice pretty much daily as my mother was from a poor country in central america and was used to eat that(but I lived in Canada).
everything can kill you its all the quantity that you eat/drink over a given period.People have died from an overdose of water so anything is possible.
CQC3 8y ago
No, they won't.
In fact, if you lift hard, train hard in general, carbs are your best friend. Brown rice is the best. Everyone responds to carbs differently though, but they are effective none the less.
roxxe 8y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHHpjjKzZTU
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twatbutter 8y ago
Interesting, so that's the Japanese dreamboy these days.
adr007 8y ago
A Japanese alpha comes in 2 main forms:
1) Yakuza/ Gangster dark triad types.
Buff, Tattooed, rich, literally armed and dangerous
You don't see them unless you know where to find them. I suggest avoiding them at all costs anyway.
2) The all-round high status male having most or all of these traits.
Good education (Tokyo/Waseda/Kyoto university grads),
Mutlilingual, well-travelled,
Charismatic,
Mid to high management job at large Japanese conglomerate (Toyota, Sony, etc)
Well-connected,
Well-off family, well-groomed and dressed in the most expensive and fashionable threads,
Sporty and/or practices at least one of their local martial arts.
Lean, well cut physique, but not very buff.
Some male pop-stars here fall into this category. Beta male pop-stars are quite popular too as the society is quite obsessed with maintaining status quo, so alpha doesn't always sell here.
The Japanese Alpha-males run the entire country, but they do so behind closed doors. So it is really rare to see Japaneses Alphas in action. They basically get any
pussything they want, and the girls are more than happy to just provide whatever the guys desire. And when I say any, I mean even western girls as well.Arranged marriages are pretty common here even today, especially among high society, so infidelity is common here, both male and female. Most of it is just wanting to try new dick/pussy
Sdom1 8y ago
I've heard that even the conception of infidelity there is different. At least on the male end, it's not supposed to be a big deal, though you have to be discreet. Is my read on this correct?
And yeah, Japanese Alphas exist, I've met a couple (I've run in some wealthy circles). Your report confirms my suspicians - they're not common, but when Japanese guys are alpha, they're like Super Saiyan Alphas. The whole package.
adr007 8y ago
You are right about Super Saiyan Alphas.
They are also the reason why there's a small but supposedly growing population of MGTOWs here. Because they feel that can't live up to the Super Saiyan Alpha ideal and opt out of the game altogether.
On infidelity, yes you are right about just keeping discreet. It goes for both man and woman.
Steve_Wiener 8y ago
so instead of 20/80 its more like 2/98?
Troll_Name 8y ago
Nailed it.
There are two layers to beta in Japan, just like there's the outer party and the proles in Oceania. The higher layer is people who work full time but unimpressive jobs. Suicidal hours, shitty pay; it's expected that your wife will be the exclusive lover of somebody besides you. The lower layer collects anime products.
yumyumgivemesome 8y ago
Helps explain the high suicide rates.
adr007 8y ago
It depends on where you are. Remember that Japan has quite a large suburb and rural populace.
Even in the larger cities, depending on where you hang out, the ratios differ widely.
Overall, I think it is still 20/80. Just that the 20 and 80 are very segregated in all senses of the word.
snowdude_fz 8y ago
Criminals. Obviously you aren't gonna find a tall Japanese guy.
Sdom1 8y ago
You know, Japanese people are shorter on average than Americans, but it's not as big of a difference as it was in the past, from what I've seen. They do tend to be smaller boned, though. But again, even when averages differ, you have to take variation into account.
enjoys_fisting 8y ago
How do I avoid my dick turning into a bunch of pixels?
Manlet_1989 8y ago
Only alpha Japanese men I have met are fellow martial artists then maybe that bias from the fact we both enjoy hitting people/being hit.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
"23.8% of unmarried Japanese women aged 34 are uglier than shit:..."
FTFY
LeonZan 8y ago
A traditional japanese girl sounds amazing.
Now if only they could work on shaving, growing some booty, and not screaming like a banshee during sex
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This sounds great. I'm certain that virgins have a much, much higher capacity to love a man than any other women. But what to do if one just isn't physically attracted to them? I seem to be only attracted to white girls. There are a few virgins out there but they're mostly religious which can make things difficult. You have to play a very long game with those type of girls. But it might be worth it.
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CopperFox3c 8y ago
My favorite part of that article is the end:
So your solution to the birthrate/marriage problem is to give more shit to women??? Hey dumbass, maybe the problem is that modern marriage and/or having children is a bad deal for men, fraught with huge risks and little benefit.
It takes both a man and a woman to have a marriage or children. Perhaps at some point they'll realize that ignoring half the equation is actually the problem. Either way, I think the situation in Japan should serve as a forewarning for the West, and the need for an re-emergence of masculine ideals in society. Men aren't an "afterthought" ... because if that's what you think, we will tell you to fuck off.
nazicumfarts 8y ago
You obviously have no experience, so you should really just stop swooning on the sofa going "oh dear, men are being hard done by yet again!" on this.
"Childcare for working moms", means for families with the mother working as well as the father. I don get what your outrage is over. Same with the taxbreaks.
I don't have, or want kids, because I hate them and don't want to deal with their bullshit, but if it is such a "bad deal with huge risks and little benefit", either find someone who doesn't want kids too; wear a bag all the time; or quit fucking.
Anyone who has a kid shouldn't be whining about how unfair they have it. They wanted to fuck. They were stupid. They have a kid. They should just take responsibility.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. But, you need to pick your battles. This one is not something to get riled up about. The points you raised especially.
strps 8y ago
Self reported from the women themselves. Don't kid yourself.
The_inner_voice_lies 8y ago
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No shit. Just because a section of the population can't/doesn't want to get laid doesn't magically make them interesting people.
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Dustin_Bromain 8y ago
I don't know about you guys, but I've never found a virgin that has been a pleasant person; regardless of culture, race, or any other characteristic. They all seem to have princess complex personalities and they consistently try to beta buck your ass the second you get involved with them. I find it ironic that one of the greatest accomplishments for some dudes is to conquer a virgin; to be her first sexual partner. They always end up in punishing duty-sex relationships with these women, struggling to break free of the relationship that is usually pushed on them long after the "conquering the virgin" story has gotten old for his buddies. Personally, I just don't see anything beneficial coming out of that sort of arrangement. Maybe other guys have had better experiences with virgins, I don't know.
AnInstant 8y ago
Well, had some older (17-20) virgins in my life and they all were: -somewhat ugly, or -shy to the limit, or -weird... Or even worse.
It's hard to find a normal virgin nowdays.
twatbutter 8y ago
That depends ultimately on the woman. If she's acting like a spoiled-bitch-brat from the getgo then that's a red flag on its own. Obviously virginity isn't some be-all and end-all indicator of a snowflake woman. You have to look at the whole picture and assess what is going on. As a GENERAL RULE a woman with a lower n-count is less likely to divorce rape you, and more likely to be a good LTR partner.
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Not in my experience. They've pretty much all just been... who they are, and the virginity both before and after had no effect on that.
MyRedAccount 8y ago
When you're young and they have chosen you as the man to take their virginity they tend to be super pleasant.
Zachar1a 8y ago
I think everyone is a virgin, until they're not, right?
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
23.8% of unmarried women SAY they are virgins in Japan
99% of blue pill plugged in White Knights believe them, noone calls female honesty into question.
Real results of survey: women lie.
BananaHammie 8y ago
Yeah I wouldn't doubt that number to be off if the girls wanna save face, also a buddy lived in Japan and got married, found out real quick that sexless marriages are the norm there.
Tman5691 8y ago
Pretty much the norm everywhere.
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InsanityTrack 8y ago
Can you or someone else confirm if this is truly accurate? People can lie on surveys.
exit_sandman 8y ago
Even if it isn't accurate, that one third of all unmarried women say that they're virgins already shows that virginity is highly praised in a considerable segment of society; and furthermore that it's apparently less of a source of shame than admitting to have lost it without locking down the guy.
This sort of socialization will certainly have its impact on some girls.
twatbutter 8y ago
I think that most people here acknowledge this as a truth, since even the most feminized hypergamous sluts have a degree of shame in the right conditions about their n-counts, but the (in)accuracy of such claims in surveys shouldn't be downplayed.
SunshineBlotters 8y ago
Be careful with that. It is common for women to stop having sex after they have given birth to however many children they want to raise. It is very common for japanese women to divorce their husbands. Divorce rape in Japan is worse in some aspects. Divorced fathers to never even see their kids.
I know you will not marry and divorce them in Japan but you can assume there are aspects of that kind of relationship culture that they will bring into your relationship. As usual AWALT and never get married.
But your point still stands. Entitled western women are at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to LTR material.
Titanstone 8y ago
http://shikinokaze.jp/english-divorce.html copied from here. Women are not entitled to alimony in Japan upon divorce.
"Spousal Support and Alimony
Married couple has obligation to financially support each other. If you have less income than your spouse, and he/she refuses to give you necessary financial support, you can apply for mediation at the family court to request spousal support. If you and your spouse cannot reach an agreement in the mediation, the court will decide whether your spouse needs to give you financial support and the amount according to the table created by the selected family court judges. The table shows rough amounts of spousal support based on the income of both parties and the number of children they have.
Under Japanese laws, after the couple divorced, their obligation to support each other ends. Therefore, even if one of them has need for financial support, he/she is not entitled to get it from his/her former spouse. However, the court sometimes awards a spouse who is old and without any source of income additional money in division of marital assets."
yomo86 8y ago
One of the - if not the - reason for japanes women for not having been fucked or married: BB. Pure and simple. BB. A lot of guys dropping out of the dating game over there. There are not conditioned to serve the feminin imperative, they are over-conditioned. A good friend of mine while furthering his business career over there stated: as soon as the boy is able to think and reflect he has to be fucking good at school, then college, then job only for slaving away 14 hour shifts for the wife and kids. As soon as you are 6 years old you know deep down that, if you do not drop out of this shit and do your own stuff (RP in light mode) you are trapped, doomed. You are shamed if you are not good in college, not getting promoted at work. So dropping out and getting shamed is the better option.
And what does the BB do when he is enlighted but not shown the way? He simply refuses. All girls that never manage to get an alpha (4 and below) will not be automatically supplied with a beta anymore. Herbivor men, what this phenomen is called, compromises one third of men in the age group 18 - 35. Combine this with the alphas that never settle for anything under a 7. And you almost got your number.
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iam-mike 8y ago
/ r / hedidthemath
Seriously though it makes some sense.
So, Japan endgame anyone?
twatbutter 8y ago
Nah, and frankly anyone who thinks that there's a "snowflake nation" is a fucking idiot. Lift, advance your career, and be introspective. If you're looking for a LTR look for the typical red flags and practice dread. There's no such thing as a nation that can save you from a hypergamous slut, there's only you and decreasing the likelihood of marrying a hypergamous woman. I will grant that some women from certain cultures are less likely to feminized whores.
Zachar1a 8y ago
Universe 25
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/03/the-amazing-rise-and-fall-of-a-rodent-utopia/
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spooky-clinic 8y ago
You need to realize that Japanese schools are full time schools, this means the kids are essentially the whole day in school. It is also not uncommon that Japanese school kids have to use the train for an hour or two to go to school and back.
Now add the fact that most Japanese homes are rather small and your mother is almost the whole day at home, and you can easily imagine that only the best looking motherfuckers going to score in such an environment. And Love Hotels are not cheap.
Many Japanese are therefore entering their university life as virgins. I have no numbers but from what I gathered it is way more common to be 20 and still virgin than the other way around. Mind you, I'm talking about both genders.
Japanese universities are a huge joke compared to pretty much every other developed country. Their levels are so low that even the Japanese joking about it. Don't believe me? Try to talk English with a Japanese that studies/studied English.
Many women are using the time at the university not for learning but to find a future husband or for riding the CC. Because they are very aware of the fact that an over 25 women has near impossible chances to get a guy. Japanese women are VERY aware of the wall. For them it is a very real threat and they are scared as shit to get old. This is the reason why many western exchange students getting laid to the point that they develop yellow fever. Even guys that couldn't stand Asians before.
This leads to some interesting phenomena. For example: Many western guys will tell you how promiscuous Japanese women are because those are essentially the only women that are going for western guys. Again, the, let's call them, non-whores, will not go after some foreigners, they will be busy finding some BP provider. If your Japanese girlfriend speaks good English, I'm sorry, but this is a big red flag, the equivalent of a tattooed party chick.
The part about husbands cheating left and right is kinda wrong. If you take a closer look, you will realize, while yes, many cheat, they don't cheat with other mothers or single women. They simply cheat by visiting hookers. This is the reason why many Japanese wifes don't care. There are no feelings involved and the risk of the husband leaving for a hooker is rather low.
But why do they visit hookers so much? Be aware that the relationship changes the moment a child is in play. After the first child, the relationship turns into a sexless mother-father relationship. The father is supposed to work his ass off and provide and has little to no sex with his wife. Don't believe me? When you get the chance to a speak with a Japanese women ask her the following question(s): Where should the child sleep? Most will answer either in the bed of the parents or at least in the same room. How long? When the child is old enough to fap.
How much sex do you thing a husband gets that sleeps for over a decade with his child in the same room/ bed? Exactly. Many man are even expected to sleep in a different room, so they don't wake up the kid when they come from work late. Which is something that is most of the times the case. Just google Japanese work mentality and ways to make a career. This is the reason why many dudes start visiting hookers and this is why many women don't care. Why? I repeat: Because when the child is out, they simply don't sleep with each other anymore. But, since many women do know that guys still want sex, they close an eye on the husband cheating. In the end, she is doing it all for the child.
More info: http://www.wa-pedia.com/gaijin/westerners_japanese_marriage.shtml http://www.japantoday.com/category/lifestyle/view/japanese-men-share-a-list-of-common-male-woes-before-and-after-marriage http://www.japancrush.com/2013/stories/why-do-married-couples-in-japan-sleep-separately.html
Sounds great for you? It doesn't sound great for many Japanese guys either. This is the reason why such phenomenons like herbivore man (the Japanese version of MGTOW) exists. If you know this, you quickly realize that a women after 25 (when she finished university) is not marriageable. Who would want to marry an 'older' women and then work for her the whole life. At least in the uni you can have fun with them for a year or two before they start forcing the ring on your finger. But a women after 25 wants just two things: Marriage and children. And this as fast as possible. Most Japanese women don't take the pill because it's bad for their health (Yes, I'm not joking). So be very cautious when you start dating a Japanese. Would you marry a women and gave up all freedoms and essentially your life for a couple of months of sex? Even if you are BP as fuck, this doesn't sound like a good deal. And this is the reason why so many Japanese guys stay the hell away from them. The result is tons and tons of virgins on both sides. On the contrary: western guys don't realize that they are a great target for Japanese whores and wannabe mothers. Those wannabe Don Juans never ask themselves why and simply assume that they are THAT awesome and that Japanese women LOVE sex but keeping it somehow secret from society.
It's hilarious.
slashd 8y ago
This is really insightful, thank you
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gonorealover 8y ago
no they're not . You didnt read carefully the guy's post lol . Read again carefully.
dr_warlock 8y ago
Dude, that's drone manufacturing and slavery. What a pointless life. Japanese men should learn another language, save up, then leave the country.
tgeda 8y ago
Yea they should come to america and start bitching about how no one wants asian men.
dr_warlock 8y ago
It's better to be rejected by a lot of women than it is to be a slave. Move to another asian country like vietnam or thailand instead.
Interisti10 8y ago
the last thing a japanese man should do is move to america. this is basically MGTOW nippon style. falling national birth rates be damned. most simply cant afford family life so they shun it
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twatbutter 8y ago
uhh I'm going to take this with a VERY high dose of skepticism. Don't many women lie on these sorts of surveys about their n-count? I know Japanese fertility rates are very low, but I figured hypergamy is just as bad over there as it is here in the west.
Hate_Duck 8y ago
If you're looking for a "woman who hasn't spent her most fertile decade in bars hopping from cock to cock" to date, why not try girls who dated someone through college? And perhaps who don't like "dancing" if you're really being discerning?