For those of you tuning in, the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter this weekend apparently had an account on GAB.com, and while he also had accounts on facebook, twitter, and other sites, the powers that be deemed this to be the reason GAB.com must be removed from the internet.
Gab made a statement that they have been complying with investigators, having gone through and archived his account and taken it down as soon as they got the news, but that wasn't enough to appease the overlords who seek to censor the internet.
At the same time, Paypal and Stripe suspend their accounts with GAB, killing their payment processing.
Why does this concern us? We're not in this argument that Alex Jones, Gab, or whatever conspiracy nut comes along tomorrow is having.
But one thing is certain. Social Justice Warriors have been on the warpath for shrinking the overton window and putting into place the system and mechanisms required to silence and censor anybody outside that window.
And folks, what little we had that was considered acceptable is being pushed out the window as well. I wouldn't be surprised if exercise and strength training becomes misogynistic before the end of the year.
Disagree with the speech, but resist the censorship. Because if you don't, tomorrow they come for you.
We are working tirelessly on our Forums.Red platform to ensure that men can continue to communicate, no matter what the SJWs try to do to stop it.
politeAndLevelHed 5y ago
I'm still angry with Mozilla for ousting the inventor of JavaScript as CEO because he made a donation to the winning side in a gay marriage referendum in California years prior.
At the time I was completely shocked - how can your personal political opinions determine whether you may be CEO?! Especially in a tech company when your claim to fame was inventing JavaScript?!
Now it has become completely normal for the far-left to target individuals who dare to have a different opinion - and demand their employers sack them on the basis that their opinion is outrageous to current standards of decency.
Everything has become topsy-turvy. And the worst crime you can commit is to say something even slightly offensive. The British police have no time to investigate robberies, but they've got all the time in the world to arrest somebody who upset somebody else on Twitter.
The irony is that it isn't offence that has become indecent - it is offending the left-wing. Because you can publish as much overt hatred about Christians and white males as you like, in fact you can publish comment inciting violence against right-wing demonstrators in most of the main subs of Reddit.
So we have a group of people who are changing societal standards far beyond what anybody born 30 years ago would recognise - and they are seeking to ghetto-ise (by stripping people of their ability to be employable) anyone that disagrees with the new regime.
I'm wondering how many years we are from death camps for white males and right-wingers (or even, dare I say it, centrists, if The Crucible by Arthur Miller is any warning).
Masakari666 5y ago
Culture war got hot with GamerGate and never stopped getting hotter. Anyone thinking "SJWs" and the "Culture War" aren't real is not paying attention.
Patric_MasterBateman 5y ago
I have my account made on TRP.RED ready to go for the day this place eventually gets shut down
BurnoutRS 5y ago
Thank you for introducing me to the concept of the overton window
Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 5y ago
What was GAB?
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
A total-free-speech Twitter alternative
Mizu-Neko 5y ago
He started censoring art he doesn't like so I don't support him.
JackNapier368 5y ago
War Is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery, and Ignorance Is Strength. So this is the next step...
RPAlternate42 5y ago
Go read: Harrison Bergeron to see how the next step goes.
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Summary by Kurt Vonnegut
Jesus Christ...
Vikingcel 5y ago
It is eerie that I started reading 1984 two days ago and now this happens.
TheStoicCrane 5y ago
The SJWs, Governnent, and Big business are using 1984 as a template to create a dystopian society. It wasn't a prophecy. [It's become a manual!]( https://youtu.be/2zfqw8nhUwA)
Vikingcel 5y ago
I just only finished reading it a moment ago and the ending was devastating.
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Great book, great message. To be frank, it makes for a great guide as well, would not be surprised if someone was using it as such.
JackNapier368 5y ago
They took it out out school curriculum. Go read Brave New World. That's the one they banned at release for years and it is very accurate compared to our current state
TheStoicCrane 5y ago
The unfortunate and terrifying part is that though Orwell created a vision and potentially a template for an all pervasive totalitarian society within the same book there is no guide for how to destroy such a State.
It wouldn't be shocking if years down the lane if 1984 were banned or if it's original form were replaced by a scaled down "edited" version.
Alot of books nowadays are being widely distributed in "edited" editions were original copies are few and far to come by. Covert censorship is real I suspect.
Vikingcel 5y ago
I'm sure Orwell made it clear that at some point the totalitarian system will become practically untouchable, as in the book.
The idea of proles turning it all over was sound, but they would have to wake up earlier.
TheStoicCrane 5y ago
If Orwell's society parallel's contemporary society you think this one has any chance? Honest question not a smarmy one or backhanded one alot of keyboard alphas like to make.
Vikingcel 5y ago
I think it will still take a lot of time before we reach that dystopian scenario.
I can still say that 2+2=4 here in EE. Better situation than in the US, I presume, where people might get mad and triggered by such a revolutionary act, but you aren't breaking any laws yet. I can't parade myself with a nazi flag, heiling, while being openly communist is fine. I don't really mind, albeit I find that wrong in principle. That's a minor infringement on freedom of speech and thought
The "party", whoever it could be would both need the technology and total ideological indoctrination to be able to control us as such. We might be almost there technology wise, but ideologically we are still far, especially in EE.
But who knows.
GodOfDinosaurs 5y ago
Daily reminder that Orwell was a socialist
Avertus 5y ago
Even old-school Communists from the 20th Century wouldn't stand the emasculated, overly sensitive radical ideologues of the new generation.
The Soviets bore up arms to fight Germany. Modern "progressives" are fucking scared of "assault weapons"
JackNapier368 5y ago
True, have you read Road to Wigan Pier? He knew what was going on with bourgeoisie socialists
Fulp_Piction 5y ago
True, but his writings are anti-totalitarian. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater because Orwell leant a certain way politically. I'd also expect that 1940's socialism was a lot different to the short-blue-haired disaster people equate it with today.
GodOfDinosaurs 5y ago
Yeah dude, I’m politically aligned with Orwell. My point is Orwell spent his life critiquing authoritarian structures including capitalism, Stalinism, etc. This is another case of corporate power having almost total control over “free speech”. TRP hyper-focus here on SJWs is a sideshow. It’s a symptom. The real problem is that this is even possible.
foxhound525 5y ago
Finally, someone who actually uses their brain instead of blaming everything on 'sjws'. Society is becoming a corporate free-for-all, like a cyberpunk dystopia.
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He was, then he wasn't. Read "Road to Wigan Pier", or listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6izO6R8G9M
GodOfDinosaurs 5y ago
Orwell was a socialist his entire life. From the wiki on "Road to Wigan Pier"
This was not Orwell objecting to socialism.
[deleted] 5y ago
I don't know who wrote that article but it reads like an apology.
I do know that if you read the actual book you'll come away feeling differently.
GodOfDinosaurs 5y ago
Orwell was intentionally playing devil’s advocate. This was well known at the time and accounts for a lot of the controversy surrounding the work. I may read it anyway out of interest.
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TheStoicCrane 5y ago
You'd be surprisingly satisfied with some of his work. I recommend Reading Animal Farm first to understand his sentiment towards totalitarianism before reading 1984. Animal Farm is so well written it could easily pass a child's fable in terms of appeal.
GodOfDinosaurs 5y ago
I’ve read 1984 twice and Animal Farm once. Love both of them.
LordTilde 5y ago
I think we could benefit from the kind of technology of Steemit.com (or the platform itself). It provides a self sustaining monetization structure for quality content, and posts,comments are on the blockchain so cant be censured (easily).
U-94 5y ago
Dissolve the Senate. Grant emergency powers to the Chancellor...
nebder 5y ago
The Overton window is closing significantly. Its happening in front of our eyes. I’m trying to gauge where the rightwing is telling the truth and where they’re distorting the truth for their own purposes. It would be naive to say only one side manipulates the narrative.
Is there a separation between the SJW culture war and the current liberal attack on speech all over the internet. Are these two faces of the same enemy or two separate enemies. There is a lot going on right under the surface. I don’t have answers just more questions.
FB is lit up with the great zucking of 2018 where 800+ meme and non-liberal oriented pages were shut down. Add in the demonetizations and bannings all over the place. Add in the reddit purges. The thoughtpolice are out in force. Are their different police in the culture war vs the current state of US politics.
We have the perfectly timed migrant caravan, the weird mail bomber thing then a mass shooting all in the lead up to a critical midterm election in the US.
One of the libertarian meme pages I follow posted a meme Saturday morning that said “if the caravan and mail bomber aren’t enough.. then show the pic of sponegebob opening a case that said “mass shooting””. 4 hours after I saw that meme was when I heard reports of the synagogue shooting. Its highly uncanny.
There’s too much coincidence. My plan has been to bail on the west. I’m not convinced we are going to make it through the 10yrs I need to realize my plans. It’s actually quite concerning really and nobody seems to give a shit.
SalporinRP 5y ago
Where are you gonna go? Europe is cucked, South America is mostly a shithole. Southeast Asia?
nebder 5y ago
I plan to vagabond till I establish a foreign home base. I’ll still retain my US citizenship. Europe may be cucked but it’s still a fascinating place rich with history and tradition. Worth visiting and passing through.
Yes eyeing SE Asia and the bigger cities in South America.
adminsaregayniggers 5y ago
"it's a private company, just make your own social media platform"
"oh we don't like your social media platform, just make your own ISP and power company if you want to host it"
etc
Luckyluke23 5y ago
I've had this argument before.
what happens when they DO finally get rid of the " alt-right" ( or whoever they deem as to "opposing them"
they are going to stop there because they need someone to fight. they will eventually turn Iinwords and same some people of there own faction aren't "progressive" enough and then they will be the new target. they won't stop till there is one person left.
slam9 5y ago
You don't need to resort to hypotheticals. Just look at Russia. After the revolution was won there were dozens of different progressive, liberal, socialist, communist, anarchist etc; groups with a decent presence. They were censored, exiled, gulag-ed, and killed.
destraht 5y ago
They might get arid of the "alt-right" on major portions of the web but then they will just push these people into more advanced forms of technology like dark web stuff. For example TOR Browser bundles stuff with Firefox and you just use that and basically just type in different addresses and you can go to that website all of the same. Look at television, they might have driven sanity off of the air waves even though we now can purchase 1000 channels and hardly any of it makes sense. Ten and fifteen years ago that was kind of a big deal about being on television or not and it was just sort of the standard. Now it hardly means shit if its only available on cable and every year it means even less. It will just be the same that slow picker-uppers will use the Light Web as their standard and marginalized and disillusioned people will just move on. Then what happens is to uncover an address destination it will take a research university or secret government level resources and then just picking up and moving servers starts the process all over again. To stop it would require tight partnership between powerful institutions and public facing organizations like the MSM. Then they have to walk a line of saying mumbo jumbo tech talk about how some company is hosting something that isn't against the law and that its obfuscated but then they can't really know that info since they shouldn't have access to it. That then requires a whole new level of mind fuck Orwelian system and we're just not there yet.
politeAndLevelHed 5y ago
Mozilla (the company behind Firefox) is not your friend in this fight, in fact that are one of the leaders in eroding your freedom to think whatever you want.
destraht 5y ago
I agree but that thinking has minimally impacted the security and privacy of their browser (for now). Anyways I wasn't glorifying Mozilla but giving an example of how painless future dark web stuff can be. I find downloading a torrent of a movie to be easier than navigating an app store with a login. I can imagine a future dark web being easier to use than a locked down portal system on the light web.
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Incel9876 5y ago
The idea is to make it so it requires a national ID to log into the Internet at all, and eventually for that ID to be implanted into you.
destraht 5y ago
I was at the World Expo in Shanghai. It was that cities big equivalent of Beijing's Olympics. The Party government had created an animated exposition about the future and were projecting it onto a huge wall in the most vivid colors that I've ever seen. The cartoon was about a boy floating around and visiting different aspects of the future. They stated that in the future we will no longer need to study so hard because we will have a computer chip in our brain that comes standard with physics knowledge for example. I just know that in China they don't do big stuff accidentally since it is so centrally controlled. That just really demonstrates where their heads are at and why China is such Globalist darling. The people are willing to work their asses off to the point of complete sacrifice only for a loose promise of a dream and they will accept just about anything at any point along the "way". We see these national id cards, automated surveillance, gait recognition, facial recognition, purchase records, post record. etc and all feeding into an artificial intelligence network to determine your citizen credit score. Then over in India they just straight rolled out and broke the economy for the bottom tens of percent of people in order to force roll out strict bio-metric and digital currency control mechanisms. Its a trope but the US population still has guns and cash and so can resist this sort of thing although "It" (in the sense of what the Jews fear) is still very much on the long term radar here and it should be pretty obvious that the next half-generation to few generations are going to have some epic battles against the ultra centralized mindset that seeks to cull the population. I also have hope for Eastern Europe due to the incredibly paranoia and distrust there from their famines, gulags, psychiatry labeling abuse, wars and fatal gossiping, even if for the moment it just comes across as a dour expression.
wiseclockcounter 5y ago
estonia has some globalist digital e-residency program in the works: https://youtu.be/2frpU6nkb_I
the following then of course should be no surprise: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-03/estonian-central-bank-exposed-1-trillion-money-laundering-nexus
destraht 5y ago
Yeah I don't consider the Baltics to be Eastern Europe in the way that I described, although obviously it falls into that category. Well soon enough I feel that Hungary will band with other countries to form an agreement, treaty or union or sorts with some of its neighbors that can then be referred to by name for some easier speaking.
I see that the Baltics in particular are caught up in one side of my "Refugees" and "Russians" Squeeze Theorem theory. They can be made to fear the Russians by playing back old reels like it was a WW2 era themed Friday night matinee. I've personally seen this tune played like a fiddle in Poland and Ukraine. Then there is the "refugees" (I won't stop quoting fuck that!) front on the other side but the ex-USSR and Warsaw Pacts aren't buying that one since they don't suffer from save-the-worldism. Next thing you know I'm going over just one country and suddenly the Russian threat is just so far away but the country just absolutely needs to be invaded by Muslims for the good of the world. Makes sense, I guess, uh, hmm. In Hungary they are immune to both fronts of the assault on rationality and so are thumbing their noses at these games.
Its all contrived as hell. Estonia will just be hard played due to their fears of Russians but amusingly they are terrified of a outright Special person dominated Russia, when in actuality Russia has put their Special people in their places more than most and those Special people types have just moved over into the EU to have their unfettered way with it. The traumatized Baltic people just never got the memo.
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Too late, Google "sexist exercising" and "misogyny fitness". There's already an ocean of garbage from well known publications calling you sexist for anything having to do with working out on your own terms.
DeadliftRx 5y ago
Don't you fucking DARE to threaten my ability to hoist heavy-ass weights.
I will find a way to take out my aggression.
rob13_ 5y ago
With more heavy-ass weights I presume?
JamzeNeu 5y ago
The dude who created gab is a really immature guy, with absolutely no sense of how to run a company. That site is destined to go down regardless of leftist/political intervention, now or maybe in a year.
Honestly the impact to 'culture war' in this particular case is negligible.
destraht 5y ago
The guy should be allowed to fail all on his own. Plus a lot of that whole industry is based on flipping. These connected peoples sites generated enough waves of investment that they end up creating their own weather patterns. The guy might be an idiot because I have no idea about him personally but I'd bet that if he was doing the leftists bidding then he would be a darling instead of a pariah.
grumpieroldman 5y ago
What have you done to fight it?
Nah that's alright, shit on the kid doing more than you.
[deleted] 5y ago
He's young. I made a lot of mistakes as a young entrepreneur. Hell, so did Zuck, Larry and Sergie. He'll mature. He's being forced to grow up fast as a business man.
bradyo2 5y ago
He sounds like a little bitch every time I see something retweeted onto my twitter timeline from Gab. If he’s going to play the “le world is censoring me” card every time someone criticises his site, then he deserves to go down screaming like the autistic toddler that he sounds like
SpectacularFox 5y ago
What are your specific problems with him? The site is always going to host controversial content by its very nature. The people banned from twitter are going to be on the edges.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Is he the guy I'd choose to be fighting this fight? Probably not.
But we'd be stupid to ignore the implications of what's happening around us.
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
Many people who are subjects of test cases on rights are absolute pieces of shit. Take the guy ‘Miranda rights’ are named after, Ernesto Miranda; he was a rapist, kidnapper, and later convicted in a retrial anyway. But even pieces of shit deserve rights, because rights are universal.
tldrtldrtldr 5y ago
What implications are happening around you? There’s more wealth in the world as compared to anytime in history. More food, more medicine. Stop dreaming for a world built on back on slaves and make yourself useful to new society
grumpieroldman 5y ago
Enjoy your life on knees.
PS
You mean like basing your business model on illegal labor?
Imperator_Red 5y ago
That's great. Too bad it doesn't really help the fact that more people are miserable and directionless than ever before. So many people are depressed that it is becoming a public health crisis. Free speech is being stamped out. 8-10 hours of your life are spent under the thumb of feminist HR departments who want to control the way you think. What good are material possessions when I have to spend the majority of my day living like it's 1984?
Huh? God why do I respond to retards on the internet?
adminsaregayniggers 5y ago
THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT BY SLAVES EVERYTHING IS MADE OF COTTON
tldrtldrtldr 5y ago
More people are directionless and miserable because they exist to consume.
mental_models 5y ago
a camry and a predatory home loan =/= freedom
tldrtldrtldr 5y ago
So what is freedom according to you? Take what you want by power?
mental_models 5y ago
you implied that we live in a new society with a world not built on the backs of slaves
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
TRP quarantined. People with views on the right are being attacked, losing jobs, or worse. Discussion of non-PC views is being censored.
mental_models 5y ago
like you suggested the overton window is shrinking
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SirKolbath 5y ago
I’m sorry. I think you’re confusing conservatives with the leftists who throw bricks at elderly men wearing tee shirts for candidates they don’t like. The left has a disgraced former candidate openly calling for her idiot supporters to be less civil with conservatives, something I think her followers will find it very difficult to do given that they are mostly violent rabble now.
PS: It was the left who started the American civil war, tried to block civil rights, enacted Jim Crow laws to prevent blacks from voting, and even had one of their senators beat another senator with a cane on the senate floor about ten years before the American Civil War started shooting, so a class or two on history might be an awesome thing for you to take sometime really soon so you don’t look like a complete ass online. The left has always been violent and unhinged.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
The fuck you on about?
Relaxe_m80 5y ago
Most of this sub is about taking personal responsibility and self improvement. There are regular posts about how vapid women can be, but half of these posts come from other subs.
You can keep calling us far right while we continue to win elections in the US.
sat_ta 5y ago
You have never lived in communism or an equal leftist heaven (I have). You'll pray for conservative values to come back once the western world arrives there.
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666Evo 5y ago
Oh sweetie...
virusofthemind 5y ago
There's also more inequality and in this case it's an inequality of platforming your beliefs. If your beliefs are backed up by hard science and the "new society" you mention is heading the way of SJW tyranny where your self actualisation is denied and you're living in a false construct then why would you want to accept it?
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SirKolbath 5y ago
Oh put a sock in it, leftist. Jesus, did you ask Hillary for those talking points personally or pull them off her appearance on Murphy Brown?
PS2Errol 5y ago
Yawn.
RainySeasonInPH 5y ago
Okay, so I got about three paragraphs into the linked article before hitting the redline on my WTF-meter, at:
So the assclown that runs Gab had it hosted on GoDaddy? Fucking GoDaddy? How is it that they didn't kick him already?
Gab has painted a target on itself of a size such that it is insane for them to expect not to be hassled and fucked with. Seriously, how is that shit not already hosted on a bitcoin-paid server in cave in Switzerland or something?
This is just a case of straight up incompetence on the part of Gab. Play hardball and you're going to get hit.
gELSK 5y ago
// , I had the same reaction. See my comments above.
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
Already happening. Unable to link because auto mod. CringeAnarchy forum has some screenshots. There was an article that your exercising friends are more likely to turn nazi or smh
AlmightyPerun 5y ago
Lifting makes you more individualistic. It gives you the balls necessary to stop giving a shit about other people say, and the strength (and potentially skill) to defend yourself. Yes, that is, in itself, dangerous to them.
Really, it's the same thing that happened in China during the so called "Cultural Revolution". The government stamped down on all forms of (deadly and practical) martial arts and training, essentially executing and imprisoning most of the people who knew something about it.
Then, everything was turned into state-sponsored (useless fake combat) sports. For example, that's where the flowery and completely useless modern forms of wushu/kung-fu come from. The goal was to completely disarm the populace, even bare fists were too much for the spawns of Marx.
SiegreicherMarsch 5y ago
I remember watching a Mark Rippetoe interview where he said that weightlifting would be removed from the Olympics due to political correctness of some sort. I thought it was an odd comment at the time, but maybe he knew what he was talking about.
hearse223 5y ago
Interesting, he had an account on the website so they took it down.
I imagine they wouldn't go after pornhub the same way.
destraht 5y ago
Fucking your step-sister is definitely an approved fantasy so I don't see that happening and isn't that whole network of weird degeneracy pushers owned and control by a handful of those Special people?
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Shadowthrice 5y ago
To many .gov IP addresses login to Pornhub. Things would get messy if they tried to shut them down.
rob13_ 5y ago
NoFap in shambles
gELSK 5y ago
// , What seems heavy handed on the part of these Online Payment Processors and Web Hosting Providers is more likely just an effort at self preservation.
It's not an effort at censorship so much as revenue preservation.
Big companies like that operate like robots.
They don't have opinions, and have a heavily vested interest in avoiding even the appearance of having one.
This may not necessarily justify removing sites that the media or outspoken activists deem controversial, but it does explain it a lot more than the "Corporate Big Brothers" bogeyman story.
Because of this, it just means that the corporate Overton Window is a much smaller subset of the personal.
It's cause for concern, but quoting "First they came..." is overreacting.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
This isn't true at all. Companies like paypal have been constantly shutting down small sites and voices on the right using their platform. It has nothing to do with public backlash and a threat to their revenue. They are too big to fail at this point. They have no competition. These actions are entirely politically motivated.
The people that run these companies have ideologies, they are not robots and they enforce their ideologies, even to the determent of profits.
RedHeimdall 5y ago
Google, Facebook etc do not make more money by de-platforming Alex Jones. They do not make more money by censoring conservative news and opinion. Target did not make more money by championing tranny bathrooms.
All these big corporations are powerful agents advancing liberal ideology. Sometimes it is a lower priority than their profits. But other times, as in the examples I mentioned or the many others one could cite, it takes precedence over their own financial interests.
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With the recent legislation that sites are liable for their members content we will continue to see more of this kind of stuff happen. it's not just public opinion that could put these companies at risk.
kittyclaw200 5y ago
Yes, the bums that Starbucks have welcomed and the immigrants they pledged to hire are all revenue increasing initiatives./s
SirKolbath 5y ago
Can the sarcasm. Starbucks pulled those stunts because they felt the PR outweighed the costs. They didn’t do it out of altruism and you know that.
SirKolbath 5y ago
I really hope there is an app for TRP.RED. I loathe using browsers for reading and replying to messages on my phone.
gELSK 5y ago
// , It's on the way. Donations make it happen faster.
dontgiveupcarib 5y ago
I wonder what percent of you are using crypto, a technology created to side step all of this bs
Metallurg2 5y ago
Every RP man should be in crypto a long time ago, it's like lifting, a must for independence
grumpieroldman 5y ago
This was used as an excuse to get rid of Gab because it was a threat to controlled/controllable social media.
NEW_JERSEY_PATRIOT 5y ago
It's funny how there so obsessed with their attack on free speech they haven't even started the gun control debate.
AllahHatesFags 5y ago
They really need to get the SCOTUS to rule against this shit as a violation of the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution, which makes no exceptions for imagined "hate speech".
mental_models 5y ago
The Pittsburgh bomber was an avid lover of pizza.
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TheStoicCrane 5y ago
Shhh. Next cheese, tomato, flour, peperoni, and ovens will become illegal like heroin.
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awaythrowgg 5y ago
Interesting. Can you extrapolate on that?
tldrtldrtldr 5y ago
I will try. Children and young people specially are prone to radicalisation as they have little perspective. They come out from obedient mentality where adults are in charge. As they age, longing to belong to a group/tribe increases. So is inclination to form your own spot.
At this stage, give them some world altering view. Marry that with some sort of fairy tale. Put them in a band. And you have your army of efficient robots. They will never see or realise the strings that are pulling them are doing that to further their own political agenda.
They will also miss out how rest of the society is a complex place. And modern institutions are the best bet against tribal culture where rule comes from raw power.