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In late September I started seeing this girl. It was intended to be a long term thing, and it went completely against my redpill beliefs. Something just told me this wasn't right. But hey, she was submissive, she cooked and cleaned my apartment when I was at work, and she fucked me whenever I damn well pleased. But there was just something off about the entire situation, and there was too many red flags to count. She was a stage 5 clinger. It should also be noted that I've had a problem for a long time with understanding frame-I grasped the basic concept but it always seemed vague, far away from who I was, but very important. After I started seeing this girl (I refuse to call her a woman), I started understanding it more and developed better grasp of it.



Rewind to last Friday. I worked 7-3 doing carpentry work, lifting trusses 3 times my size up to the guys on the roof all day. Sometimes On the weekend I pick up a shift making pizzas at this place, its good cash money and I'm friends with the family that owns the place and its nice to see them. All day at work she begged me to pick her up and take her to the pizza place so she wasn't bored all night. After carpentry I ran to pick her up, took a quick shower, and headed to the pizza place for my 4-9 shift. As I walked in I got a phone call that a beloved family pet back at my parents house was struck by a car, which threw an already kinda shitty day off. I really didn't want the girl to be here and just wanted to do my work and collect my money and go home.


So around 6:30 I'm busy taking phone calls and helping customers and she says shes bored and going to the bar down the street. Okay. I didn't think she'd run off with any guys, this is a very back woods country area and that was a shitty dive bar, but i'm still mildly irritated. Here she is going and getting drunk while I'm working a double shift trying to be responsible. Whatever. I'm pissed but ignore it and continue to focus on making pizzas and taking the occasional delivery.


I'm off at 9 and meander down to the bar to find her completely drunk, talking to this older couple at the bar about spirituality and other hippie bs. I order my beer and go take a seat at the other end of the bar where its quiet, I make a phone call to my mother and sister who are both upset about the cat getting ran over to calm them down. After I'm done with my beer I tell her we're leaving and go home.


When we get home, she starts a fight in my parking lot. "Why did you ignore me at the bar! I havent seen you all day" she screams. She starts causing a scene and rips my $1000 iphone out of my hands and starts acting like shes going to smash it. I'm not stupid enough to try to touch her to rip it out of her hands knowing it could be a charge, but I also want my phone back so I can start recording this. I talked stern and demanded she gets in the house where we talk about it like adults, she accuses me of being "Just like her ex" who supposedly abused her. It turns into this big thing and ends with her punching me in the face 3 times and than punching herself in the face. "STOP HURTING ME! STOP ABUSING ME!!" she screams as she slams her body against my car and punches herself in the face in a fit of what can only be described as autistic rage.


An angry, drunk male neighbor over the fence starts screaming that he called the police and i'm going to jail for beating my girlfriend. I hadn't even touched her once. It was in this moment that I realized what frame truly is and that I needed to hold it at this very instant or my life was completely over. The police lights are in the distance and I tell her this is her last chance to step inside and talk about this like adults, she keeps walking.


There is 5 cops (they truly have nothing to do in this town), 1 nabs her and another pulls me aside. I tell them my story and she tells them hers. The 2 police officers go off to talk and I hear the one that's talking to me say "I don't think we have a 10-16" and the one that's talking to her says "I think we do."


My stomach drops, im going down with a domestic abuse charge. And I didn't even touch the bitch.


So the officer comes back and calmly tells me "In this state when there is a domestic case someone always goes to jail unfortunately. Luckily for you, Its gonna be her tonight."


As it turns out, she has a domestic abuse charge from 2014. She now has a 2nd Domestic abuse charge. She was hauled off to jail immediately. I asked the officer and he told me that in these types of situations its rare that the man comes out on top but that it was obvious that I did nothing wrong, that this girl is crazy, and that I should avoid her at all costs because this is usually how good men go down. I had to fill out a domestic abuse victims waiver, which I said I wasn't going to press charges or get a restraining order, which I've had hanging on my fridge and many chuckles about with good friends since.



Shes currently sitting in county not sure when shes going to get out. I visited her in jail Saturday morning and told her that we are done and that tinder was already installed on my phone. She begged to take her back, I told her to beg harder and hung up the phone and walked out. I than went out and partied with my boys and gamed sluts at local shithole college dives all night. Apparently jail is too full and she is sleeping on the floor which I've had quite the laugh about.


I showed up to her court Monday, she didn't know I was their. $500 bail and she has to be monitored if shes around me. The court commissioner told her that theres no reason she shouldn't sit. She obviously is a fucking waitress that doesn't have a penny to her name and I'm not paying that $500, neither are her parents, and she doesn't have too many close friends for good reason. She has called from jail a few times since begging for me to come back, claiming that im still invited to her parents thanksgiving (which i scoffed at), and saying how I was the man she always needed and she can't believe how bad she fucked up. She claims shes done drinking and started reading the bible.


This girl is basically completely fucked and will most likely sit in jail for multiple months, or the biased court system will let her out on probation because its a female, in which case she will be homeless from losing her job and having no savings.


Lessons learned

I got lucky, not all cops are that nice, many dont see through the bullshit. Holding frame and keeping it cool can save your life. It is vital that you internalize frame. I know a guy thats younger and is going through the same bullshit and he recently checked himself into a mental clinic, I dont have time for that personally. its easier to just be the bigger person and not let these bitches take control. Learn what frame is, not just in terms of trying to get laid but in every aspect of life. It can save your life, and I got very lucky. Don't react with emotion and be cold. Also avoid liquor, always be on your toes when dealing with these types. The night would have definitely went differently if I would have decided to sit around and get drunk before we left the bar.

[-] JonathanMekerset 443 Points about a year ago

The only reason you walked was because of that previous charge. Like it or not no matter how good your frame is if a woman claims rape or assault and you have no physical evidence to back yourself you’re fucked.

FUCK the unsolicited power given to women in the modern age and how it’s used to destroy lives. Fuck those privileged cunts who lead men to suicide for their little egos. Fuck them all.

Guess I’m back in the anger phase for the 10th time.

[-] ApeGoesBananas 95 Points about a year ago

is if a woman claims rape or assault and you have no physical evidence to back yourself you’re fucked.

This is sadly 100% true. Women need 0 proof to accuse you. But I do not buy their bullshit. If you say you were abused and have no proof then you were not abused, end of story. Too many good men got their lives ruined by those lying whores.

[-] warburgio 49 Points about a year ago

Colleague's husband got arrested and escorted to jail the other day. Cops came to his house at 7 am and cuffed him. Apparently some girl with whom he used to work years ago accused him that he raped her 6 years ago.

[-] Adeus_Ayrton 37 Points about a year ago

accused him that he raped her 6 years ago.

This is nuts ! Where I live, people would scoff at you and call you a massive slut if you tried to pull off something like that. It's basically no rape kit = no rape (as it should be).

[-] GoingTheHardWay -8 Point about a year ago

That's a bit extreme. There certainly shouldn't be any charges pressed without some kind of evidence though (you know... the presumption of innocence until proven guilty). It's a bit of an overstep to say that no rape or assault took place at all, in every single case, unless that one specific test was administered.

"Your car wasn't stolen unless you can show me the damage to the ignition"

"The car is gone, I can't show you. They STOLE it."

"Well, then it wasn't stolen was it?"

[-] Imperator_Red 16 Points about a year ago

If you wait 6 years to report a crime it’s bullshit. Try calling the cops and telling them your car got stolen 6 years ago.

Your car analogy is idiotic. There will be evidence that the car has been stolen because your car title is registered with the state. They can see that you own it and that it’s no longer in your possession. That is strong evidence besides just your word that the car was stolen.

People can get falsely accused of other crimes. The difference is that rape is the only thing where the witness can simply make up that a crime even happened at all. If someone is falsely accused of murder, there was definitely a murder, it’s just a matter of getting the right guy. That’s why these false rape accusations are so frightening and probably very common. It’s not like a woman has to go kill someone and plant evidence or stage a burglary to make a false accusation. She just dreams it up, and then it happened.

[-] GoingTheHardWay 0 Points about a year ago

I'm not disagreeing with you. Yall need to chill out.

I'm saying that it's patently dangerous and wrong to flately state that "Without a rape kit, there was no rape".

Saying such things only lends credence to that shit that feminists spout about victim blaming and what not.

If you take it too far one way, we end up being no better than those that would see us assume everyone is guilty until proven innocent. You're suggesting we assume everyrone is a liar unless presented with physical evidence. Full stop.

There are valid reasons why someone wouldn't come forward immediatly or be able to seek physical evidence of rape. I'm not saying it's common, but it only needs to exist to be a factor. Likewise for the presumption of innocence of the accused, only the potential needs to exist for it to be treated as an option.

Platitudes and blanket statements like what you suggested only harm the odds of reaching some kind of equilibrium in sexual assault cases and how they are perceived.

[-] JonathanMekerset 6 Points about a year ago

Well until they have physical evidence to prove the rape, too fucking bad. 9.99 times out of 10 it’s a false accusation because she’s a butthurt bitch who needs to ruin someone’s life to feel better about herself and maybe even lie to herself that she didn’t actually want it. These bitches are so retarded they actually believe their bullshit

[-] greenlittleman 2 Points about a year ago

When real rape happens there are some proofs in 99% cases. There are special "vagina expertise" which could determine if forceful sex take place, for example. There a lot of ways to prove the rape, but victims claims are not one of them. Also real rapist are easily caught because this is serial thing almost always. There is hardly any rapist guy who will just rape one girl once and then never do it again.

[-] GoingTheHardWay 1 Point about a year ago

I'm not disputing ANY of that. Read what I wrote. Blanket statements like what was described harms our arguments and credibility in trying to bring justice to people who make false allegations.

Also, the "Vagina Expertise" is something you just made up. Outside of a medically trained doctor who can identify scar tissue or other more recent damage (or.. you know, a rape kit), there's no such thing as a magic voodoo man or woman who can use "expertise" to identify a rape victim. Your statement sounds uninformed and ignorant.

[-] greenlittleman 1 Point about a year ago

WTF? You saying "it is something you just made up" and then adding what trained doctors do it. Yes dude, exactly, for each case of rape there should be expertise done by professionals, this is how things do in a lot of countries and how it should be. Real rape is always accompanied by some sort of physical evidence, be it body damage or drugs in the blood.

I have only one question for you - do you consider what "victim's claims" should be considered as direct evidence of something? That is all what we need to discuss. Because if you ignore claims without proofs then there is only one way - to have actual evidences. Which exist when real rape takes place.

[-] Pestilence1911 1 Point about a year ago

Most women dont report or get kits done in the allowable time frame, so statisticaly you have a low chance of getting evidence, even if it did happen its hard to prove unless they get kits.

[-] greenlittleman 2 Points about a year ago

Real rape reported immediately in most cases. What isn't reported in allowable time frame is mostly cases when girl changed her mind after the sex for whatever reason. If woman don't report real rape case immediately then this is her problem. If someone beat your ass then it is too late to report them when traces of violence already don't exist and you don't have any proofs anymore. Just words of someone never should be considered as a proof of anything. If someone used violence against you then you need proofs. Rape is just one form of violence it should be treated same as any other.

[-] saucierlol 16 Points about a year ago

When my ex started punching me in the face on a weekly basis I took pictures of the bruises. I told her I have evidence of her abuse but unfortunately in my country, I would have been ridiculed by the cops and sent on my way if I had gone to the station. She didnt know that since she was not from my country but she was so crazy that she didn't even care that I had evidence against her.

I let her punch me because she was so weak and frail it barely hurt. And the only marks I got were when she was punching harder than usual. I am not a violent person but I know that if I had snapped I could have killed her right there and then. Just a squeeze of the neck for 20 seconds and thats it, done. So I tried to control myself and at the time I thought it was a good exercise in self-control. All it did was to damage my ego really.

I learned my lesson though. If I ever have a girl who even expresses the thought of getting physical, Im out.

[-] TheTriviaMan 22 Points about a year ago

Hey how about calm down the that "I could kill her in 20 seconds flat" stuff, if she or a future woman wants to claim that you are dangerous and threatening them this could be used against you, Reddit is public and not truly anonymous.

[-] saucierlol 7 Points about a year ago

You are right, but isn't that incredibly hypocritical and unfair though? I recount my exact experience and my opinion about it, and someone could come and nitpick in my comment where I clearly stated that I was the victim, and accuse me of being the abuser. What a shitty world we live in.

[-] tempolaca 2 Points about a year ago

But it's true. We men can kill a woman with a single punch. That's why they are so scared of us. At the same time, women can hardly damage us, that's why they are so eager to hit us. Hurt like hell though.

[-] Pestilence1911 1 Point about a year ago

They only need to say they're scared of you and you now have supervised visits with child services ;)

[-] Orbiter45 1 Point about a year ago

You know as I read this, I'm curious if some big name MRA could sell a new solution to DV.

Women start half of DV, and most of the one way DV, its women being bad. This reads thats women are much more likely to retaliate or fight back in an abusive situation.

Couldn't MRA's sell a solution to DV, is to encourage men to walk? I mean, its kinda a no brainer. But the "shut up and listen," feminist attitude prevents women from talking any responsibility. If the big name MRA's start pointing out the one-way narrative of DV is actually encouraging DV to continue..

I get thats whats they/we've been trying to say. But it comes across as more of a complaint about feminism than an actual solution.

[-] greenlittleman 1 Point about a year ago

Brazilian jiu-jitsu allows you to restrain any person similar or lower to you in strength without leaving any damage to them, there is no real reason to tolerate abuse from someone weaker (unless in your country just touching a woman "without her consent" could be considered as assault). Though skill to stop any violence with words and make people respect you (and be afraid to some extent) without using force is one of the most important skill for a man, which could be achieved by frame control.

[-] tempolaca 9 Points about a year ago

A girl from job accused me of following her and kid you not "looking at her for a long time" at a conference. She sued me 5 times, in 5 different courts, with absolutely no proof whatsoever. Even her friends testified they saw nothing. In one court I was condemned solely on a psych exam (to her!), but I'm winning the other lawsuits. Nevertheless, my life in the last 2 years has been hell. Lost several jobs, lost friends, lost my LTR. Nobody want to be with an abuser. Fuck women to hell.

Before that, I had a crazy ex that actually hit herself and said I hit her. In fact, she was the mother of my kid. But this was before all this feminist crazy wave, and actually she almost end in jail. Unfortunately crazy women stories are not uncommon at all.

[-] ApeGoesBananas 3 Points about a year ago

Ouch. I hope you'll be alright though. Try to stay strong

[-] beginner_ 10 Points about a year ago

you have no physical evidence to back yourself you’re fucked.

I mean if he supposedly hit her it would be clearly visible on his hands. It's not like that punching someone leaves 0 trace on your fists.

But I agree. Without the previous charge, OP would be in a very bad spot now.

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[-] tempolaca 0 Points about a year ago

Its crazy but every time when the cops arrived in my house (several times unfortunately) they also knew she was the crazy one. They are so used to this shit, they can see through it.

Lets think about it, police mostly go to cases like this. They recognize the patterns and can smell bullshit from a mile away. It's that you held "frame" its the police doing their job and smelling bullshit.

[-] MrCongeniality1 4 Points about a year ago

It does help that he remained calm, he could have been taken in despite her previous charge if he seemed sketchy. But yes, without the previous charge, he would have been taken to jail and may have even been convicted on nothing but her testimony.

[-] Delirious133 3 Points about a year ago

We all go back from time to time. It is just a matter of how long you stay. Just remember all that time you waste being angry could be used to focus on improving yourself.

[-] TheStoicCrane 1 Point about a year ago

Not to mention fuck the cops who can't see reality from fiction. They have one job to society and most can barely do that right.

[-] untonyto 1 Point about a year ago

I'm with you except for the "fuck them all" part. Don't do it.

[-] CainPrice 155 Points about a year ago

I don't know that this is an example of frame.

You dated a mentally ill woman. Your relationship involved silly things like driving out of your way, when you didn't really want to, to pick her up so she could hang out at your workplace all evening. She did stupid shit like going off on her own to get drunk when bored. You did passive aggressive shit like go to the bar where she was and sit across the room so she'd see you ignoring her. You didn't have control or a good handle on this girl.

You actually holding frame was so uncommon that the one time you did, she flipped out and beat herself bloody then told the cops it was you. And all you could do was tell the police it wasn't and hope for mercy. If it weren't for her prior record, it would have been you in jail.

There are a lot of lessons here, but a record of holding frame working out well for you isn't what happened.

[-] RedDeadlift 52 Points about a year ago

This is 100% spot on.

Especially the sitting across the bar bit ignoring her. Dick move for sure.

[-] CainPrice 73 Points about a year ago

Not to mention, after the fact, he goes to visit her in prison and gloat, tell her he's gotten on Tinder, and rub her face in her situation.

She's in jail. She is literally locked in a cage away from society. And he is -still- in her frame right now. He's even going to the courthouse to keep track of what's happening to her.

[-] redhawkes 36 Points about a year ago

Let alone that he's been living with her.

You can see the hamster on fire even in the first paragraph.

[-] NeedingAdvice86 11 Points about a year ago

I suspect that level of dickiness is why the Op has such a cellar low SMV that this drunk, crazy girl is his best option for a LTR.

[-] NeedingAdvice86 10 Points about a year ago

Shit show from start to end....

All I could think when reading was how did the Op blindly not see that this was HIS GIRLFRIEND. He seems overly excited and not realizing that his SMV was so fucking low that this trainwreck of a girl was the best option he had for a committed relationship.


[-] CainPrice 23 Points about a year ago

Well, buried in the post is the fact that OP isn't a prize pig.

He works construction and to make extra cash does a night job at a pizza place. Then blows all of his money on a $1000 cell phone.

Some clingy bitch with mental illness is probably the best he could get to have regular sex with him. But rather than admit that he's a work in progress and needs to improve, he tells himself that his crazy clingy girlfriend is "submissive", as she demands he drive her around and put up with her shit.

[-] Pestilence1911 1 Point about a year ago

Dont hate on construction. 60-80k CAD a year (15k USD) after four years, And then 100k when i get journeyman.

I mean...if your into being in remote locations you can go on pay-cation and see the nothingness up north and get paid silly wages

[-] Unboundaries 3 Points about a year ago

Lol play stupid games win stupid prizes.

[-] wholewheatdirtydog 69 Points about a year ago

My condolences for you're pet stay strong man

[-] SwoleyMoleyFrijoley 6 Points about a year ago

Agreed. Aside from the pet this is a happy ending

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[-] Adeus_Ayrton 19 Points about a year ago

It’s crazy how people believe in false accusations just cause they are women.

I'm thinking this might've been the reason why back in the day Islam considered the testimony of two women equal to that of one man. It's useless if you have forensic science tho, which they didn't have back then of course.

[-] ex_addict_bro 48 Points about a year ago

Something just told me this wasn't right. [...] She was a stage 5 clinger.

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.

Holding frame and keeping it cool means NOTHING when police arrives, just as they told you.

All you had was LUCK.

Thanks for sharing.

And yes, avoid drunk bitches at all cost.

[-] [deleted] 43 Points about a year ago

My buddy (who is a cop) pulls guys aside on calls all the time and tells them "that pussy is not worth your freedom".

Listen here young buck, the way you write this sounds like you're treating this like a victory. You're laughing about her being in jail and chuckling about the domestic abuse victims waiver. This is not a victory, you dipshit you almost lost everything. You did something incredibly fucking stupid and you narrowly avoided losing your freedom and your future for it. I can count at least 5 Blue Pill mistakes in your lead up to the "fight". Can you? Then you visited her in jail? Are you fucking retarded? If I were you I wouldn't be out partying and "gaming sluts". Sluts are what apparently got you into this mess. Sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and think about what you did wrong. You ignored the red flags.

Stop gaming the kinds of women that will destroy your life and go in monk mode, and stop treating frame like "IDK it's kinda this thing I don't get blah". If I was your buddy I would have slapped you.

[-] NeedingAdvice86 11 Points about a year ago

My thoughts exactly.......

Trainwreck dating a trainwreck.......just this time the female wreck is sitting in jail and next month it will the Op.

He will definitely take her back before Thanksgiving.

[-] [deleted] 5 Points about a year ago

My brother is in prison, he told me prison is full of dudes who are there because of a crazy vindictive woman

[-] Einzakin 2 Points about a year ago

Yeah every guy is in jail because of vindictive women*. Those guys were all telling your brother, who is also in prison, the truth.

[-] Pestilence1911 1 Point about a year ago

Sometimes the truth really is stranger than fiction!

[-] centaursg 2 Points about a year ago

I`m new to this "frame" concept and trying to understand further. Can you please list out blue pill mistakes?

[-] [deleted] 9 Points about a year ago

lives with girlfriend who (it appears) she doesn't work, stays with girl despite "red flags", lets his plate (please god tell me she wasn't an LTR) come up to his work (that's a power move on her part), follows her down to the bar after her childish behavior, acts childish himself and sits at the same bar but plays a game where he acts like he doesn't see her (provoking her like a fool)

He should have: not been living with her, told her not to show up to his job, gone straight home after work (or to the gym) and changed the locks and put her stuff on the door step.

You do not respond to women on their terms, you make them deal with the reality of who you are and what you want. Woman serves man. Man is judge.

There's plenty about frame in the sidebar. Have you read it?

Good luck

[-] centaursg 2 Points about a year ago

Thanks for breaking it Down for me..yes I m reading the sidebar materials..

[-] 5t3fan0 1 Point about a year ago

OP, swallow your ego and listen to this advice, it might very well save you the next time when you are not so lucky

[-] brontide 43 Points about a year ago

girl is crazy, and that I should avoid her at all costs

and yet..

I visited her in jail Saturday morning and told her that we are done and that tinder was already installed on my phone. She begged to take her back, I told her to beg harder and hung up the phone

WTF? I get telling her it's over, but that's it. You gave a crazy person hope that you would take her back... and she will be, when you least expect it. Next time you might not be so lucky with the cops you get.

[-] MillionaireSexbomb 43 Points about a year ago

OP is indeed still a faggot. No frame was held here, he got lucky. There’s a lot he’s not telling us that led up to this with her behavior.

[-] Prison4SideofBeef 16 Points about a year ago

OP is mentally ill too and does not realize it. There's a reason he was attracted to this type of loon in the first place.

[-] [deleted] 20 Points about a year ago

This guy is fucking retarded

[-] VeryTalentedCheff 31 Points about a year ago

Works 2 shifts, owns 1000$ phone.

Damn some people are made to be a wage slave all their lives.

[-] S-Blaze 1 Point about a year ago

Dunno. I work, I save but when I buy stuff I buy the reasonable best for full satisfaction.

[-] menial_optimist 26 Points about a year ago

When those red flags are popping it's time to get walking. That kind of behavior would of had warning signs. When a lot of chicks get drunk and their true selves come out, they are deeply fucked up individuals.

[-] Giant-__-Otter 15 Points about a year ago

Yes the real tl;dr is to not ignore red flags. The time and thoughts you invested in that girl man! Also, why is she living with you after a month? Are you graduating HBs that quickly?

[-] beginner_ 4 Points about a year ago

The time and thoughts you invested in that girl man!

Yeah. Why the fuck did he went to visit her in prison? Just ghost her OP.

[-] SnowMonkeyCracker 25 Points about a year ago

A textbook case of Borderline Personality Disorder; the intense affection is only matched by the intense hatred.

[-] anothdae 10 Points about a year ago

This needs to be higher.

It really is textbook.

What people here need to know is that this isn't a cone time thing, or something that can be un-learned.

[-] furiouszeno 4 Points about a year ago

I had a 3 year relationship with a BPD. This chick is absolutely BPD. Op, you dodged a major bullet, but you're not out of the woods yet, you need to cut all contact with this girl ASAP and get a restraining order forbidding her from contacting you in any way.

You know those news stories about crazies stabbing their lovers? Yeah, this is how that happens.

[-] Pestilence1911 4 Points about a year ago

My ex was BPD. Tried slashing me a few times witb my bowie, and then tried mutilating her vagina on christmas cause i grabbed it 30 seconds after we put on our clothes after doing adult stuff.

Punched herself in the face multiple times, swung at me while i was mid conversation with my brother cause she mis heard me, tried bashing my head in with a weed grinder. Threw my phone at me. Randomly beat the shit out of me cause her dog had a red nose cause "i beat him".


[-] furiouszeno 3 Points about a year ago

And then after you break up, she tells everyone that you were the abusive one, and she is the poor defenseless victim, right?

Can't make this shit up.

[-] Pestilence1911 1 Point about a year ago

She was 0.85 my size!!! Theirs no way anyone would believe me.

Ruined her life on meth though. Not my problem anymore.

[-] Mr_Badass 4 Points about a year ago

I was about to say the same thing. Definitely Borderline or Bipolar.

[-] SpiritStatic 2 Points about a year ago

Yes, every emotion or action has its equal opposite.

This is also partly why Zen is not about intense happiness, but about stable contentment. High euphorias can be followed by low depressions.

It's more than just physics, it's more/less a life principle.

[-] classicverdant 21 Points about a year ago

So how exactly did you hold frame? Just told the cops your story?

[-] AdamP00l 20 Points about a year ago

I'm soooooo angry at the witness who saw the scene and still accused you.

[-] Datanami 24 Points about a year ago

He probably just heard the girl screaming

[-] [deleted] 12 Points about a year ago

Probably a hopeful white knight with no pussy

[-] redpill_scientist92 2 Points about a year ago

I was too but im not surprised.

[-] BusterVadge 16 Points about a year ago

She claims shes done drinking and started reading the bible.

This made me laugh my ass off. I don't know why. Maybe the desperation.

[-] MentORPHEUS 11 Points about a year ago

You should have accepted the restraining order. With that she only need come within 150 feet of you and she will be the one automatically arrested. Because you refused it, if there's another incident the cops might believe you are still with her and arrest YOUR ass next time.

I have a woman on 3 years probation and paying me restitution monthly for the shit she broke when she flipped out. She stopped paying at one point so I went to court again and the judge issued a bench warrant for her arrest.

It's possible for men to beat the Duluth Model, but you MUST follow up every step of the court game!

[-] NeedingAdvice86 6 Points about a year ago

HE will be fucking her again by Monday......

Watched too many Jerry Springer shows to not know what happens when trailer trash love goes berserk over a weekend.

[-] Stilfull 10 Points about a year ago

I dont get it. What would you do if you didn't have frame that made it worse? You got lucky when the cops came. Nothing else.

[-] Jampak_5000 7 Points about a year ago

I'm gonna call bullshit. Your story might be a BOAT (based on a true story) but overall I don't believe you. I would guess there are vast exaggerations and omissions from the truth here.

[-] magx01 4 Points about a year ago

Like every other post here?

[-] B3ER 7 Points about a year ago

I keep seeing people mention frame but it's too abstract for me right now. Got some reading material I can dive into?

[-] justarandomguy15 4 Points about a year ago

Please let me know if you find any!

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[-] AugustosGlup 4 Points about a year ago

read this and it gave me some concept of it

[-] Datanami 2 Points about a year ago

The Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi

[-] nebder 2 Points about a year ago

Frame is your innate self value plus how you project your will upon the world. Extending that thought, Frame is your ability to controls other people’s versions of their subjective reality. Frame is the control over perception. That sounds like esoteric mumbojumbo until it just clicks and you go well no shit duh.

Google rollo frame to read the rollo article. Its a good starting point. Google rollo iron rules as well and the 16 commandments of poon.

Edit: as others have stated, OP demonstrated zero frame in this post. This is not an example of frame. OP got lucky and had a fortunate turn of events.

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[-] NightwingTRP 6 Points about a year ago

This story is not a demonstration of "holding frame."

[-] justarandomguy15 5 Points about a year ago

Wow. That was quite the story, man. And I'm just blown away with how cold you acted when she was beating herself and then the police came. I wish I had your balls. I mean, if I were in your shoes, I'd probably have gotten a heartattack and went completely blank.


And if you could please, could you maybe share how you worked on your frame and enhanced it? Any books or practices that might help?

Thank you again for the FR. It's absolutely eye-opening.

[-] LucidCunning 4 Points about a year ago

This is the kind of woman that, in another world, you could totally dominate and make your submissive bitch. The sex would be amazing and she'd never fight back. She's utterly powerless without white knights.

In 2018 America though, you can't get physical with her when she gets out of line, so she's a completely lost cause.

Sometimes I wish we could go back to the old days where we could put women in their place who act up like this.

[-] scromboidfish 4 Points about a year ago

My condolences for your cat bro!!! RIP Catbro!

[-] NeedingAdvice86 3 Points about a year ago

Going to throw some grown ass advice your way....<along with a bucket of cold water>

You seemed to be pretty giddy about this crazy ass trashy chick sitting in jail on another domestic violence charge....which seems to be preoccupying your thoughts entirely....

BUT let me just say that you have bigger problems in that this crazy assed trash was what YOU decided to fuck and make your damn GF? How fucking low is your SMV that a girl this nutty with substance abuse problems and prior domestic abuse arrest is viable LTR material? WTF?

You likely need to fucking re-analyze your SMV\RMV before you go around crowing\laughing about YOUR GIRLFRIEND getting arrested for beating your ass. Again...this was YOUR girlfriend.

You have tons of fucking work to do....

[-] Loban8990 3 Points about a year ago

I don't know about holding frame, but I assume that 70% for the reason you're not in jail is because of reasonable cops and the other 30% because of her previous charge.

I'm not knocking the holding frame technique but from the story I feel it's the above. Nonetheless it's nice to see a story like this where the man comes out on top for once. Im happy for you dude.

[-] RedLiftingStraps 3 Points about a year ago

You were lucky to escape jail.

You chose very poorly with your girlfriend. Just because she banged whenever you wanted doesn't make her a suitable LTR partner.

You need to unfuck whatever it is in your personality that made you think this trainwreck of a girl was The Right One for you.

[-] U21U6IDN 2 Points about a year ago

I had to fill out a domestic abuse victims waiver, which I said I wasn't going to press charges or get a restraining order

Why would you sign that waiver and not follow through??!? You're letting her off to do this to someone else and the next set of cops might not see it the way these guys did when she attempts to frame some other guy.

[-] ApeGoesBananas 2 Points about a year ago

Reading this post is pure life force. Also, sorry for your pet man. That really sucks

[-] alleyteris 2 Points about a year ago

my heart pounded really fast as i was reading that post, many good people ended up in the not so lucky end as you. Bullet dodged you lucky bastard

[-] SILENTSAM69 2 Points about a year ago

Frame is the most important lesson I took away from TRP. Probably has done me the most good.

I think the second most important naturally comes from the first. That is not failing shit tests. Failing those tests will always make her think less of you.

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You didn’t hold shit. You just got lucky. Childish behavior on your part as well.

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This sobering tale reminds me of of an ex from many years ago.

Similar situations arose many times, and to make matters worse I used to go this individuals parents house and witness the abuse a frail man with cancer received from his wife and the daughters. Sometimes to the point they were basically punching him and me sitting there thinking what in the heck world of insanity have I been placed into.

I’m thankful everyday that I managed to remove myself from that situation with whatever little knowledge I had. And I’m thankful you were able to dodge a bullet there. This is a cautionary tale not to be taken lightly.

[-] FimbleEnterprises 2 Points about a year ago

This is b-movie grade fanfic that had nothing to do with frame.

[-] okuli 2 Points about a year ago

That neighbor, though. Why are there so many white knights who always assume it is women who are victims?

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[-] neso225 2 Points about a year ago

Man i got ticked its unfair how men have to bust their asses working till they drop and all women do is spread their legs and act cute (of course not everyone) and get what they want.

P.s great post man have a nice day

[-] DigitalDragonSlayer 2 Points about a year ago

You’re luckier than that motherfuckers who won the mega millions lottery

[-] Radioactivebuny 2 Points about a year ago

Nothing to do with frame, only the grace of God that they saw the first charge against her and didn’t decide to fuck you anyway, which was just as likely if not even more likely.

Sheer luck.

Women scare the shit out of me, man. I don’t know how the hell you guys landed on the “engage with them in any way other than purely business and practical manners” side of the cost benefit analysis.

The self improvement elements of this sub have done a lot for me, and the more I do for myself and the better things get the less I want to take the risk...

Sue me for it, but at least since you’re a man I’ll get a fair shake in court.

Was it always like this? Am I just a bitch? I’m honestly scared shitless of the prospect.

[-] ozaku7 2 Points about a year ago

Sounds like you just pulled a total skank instead of a normal chick that isn't totally batshit. Met a dozen out of thousands who behave like this and wouldn't touch them with a stick.

[-] RPLawyer 2 Points about a year ago

Cool story bro but to me, your frame doesn't have any thing to do with your success. It all hinges on the fact she had a previous domestic violence charge against her.

If she hadn't had it, she'd be crying crocodile tears in front of a feminist judge and you'd be in jail or on probation. Because that's our wonderful "justice" system.

The only thing to remember about this is never to let a bitch get a hold of your phone. Recording her is surely how the first guy manage not to end with the charges instead of her. If a girl starts getting crazy, always start recording. It's the only thing that has a chance to save you.

[-] Ansec 1 Point about a year ago

I really didn't want the girl to be here and just wanted to do my work and collect my money and go home.

Always follow your gut. Never do something for a woman that you don't feel like doing. If she has a problem with it, then it's her problem not yours.

[-] stylesm11 1 Point about a year ago

Holy fuck dude I'm impressed, i like to think I'm tight with frame, but when cops come around i get nervous & i haven't even done anything

[-] bouldurer 1 Point about a year ago

Not to be a dick here, but if you're working two jobs why are you getting a $1000 iPhone? Makes sense to stick to a $300 phone until you're in a better financial position?

[-] Swan_in_a_Cage 1 Point about a year ago

This is the problem with phones. Women expect 24/7 validation.

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[-] iamanalterror_ 1 Point about a year ago

One huge lesson I got from this was:

Keep your recording device!

Either ensure she doesn't take if off you, or have a backup stashed away.

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[-] sneakyboii 1 Point about a year ago

Holy shit, this feels terrifying. I can’t imagine this happening where i live tho(im from europe) but reading stories like this with my young age (19) makes me more catious to think twice if i ever get in any situation like this.

[-] SKRedPill 1 Point about a year ago

This girl is BPD for sure. This happened with my ex in her rage fits - oh yeah, the phone smashing threat part, hitting me, hitting herself...

[-] Pestilence1911 1 Point about a year ago

Lifting trusses.

Just get a zoomboom dude. And learn to make jokes about banging walls and swinging a big hammer.

[-] Patric_MasterBateman 1 Point about a year ago

Best TRP post in a long time.

It's funny how they always realize that they "fucked up so bad" after the fact. Lock your doors man.

[-] Driveisasickcuntfilm 1 Point about a year ago

Bad luck about the cat fella. Well done, great post.

[-] smarthmouth123 1 Point about a year ago

happy this turned out well for you man!

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[-] MWCyrus -12 Point about a year ago

Fuck ur wall text didnt read