Any Brits on here will confirm the BBC has a huge left wing bias. They love pumping money into shows that show how progressive and tolerant they are - They've taken a huge hit in quality to put out propaganda like this. I have an interest in coding so I thought I'd give this a watch:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06ccksx/girls-can-code-episode-1
I've honestly never seen something so overtly sexist. Aside from the fact that less than 5 minutes of show time was spent actually coding, the mental gymnastics involved is phenomenal. How do we prove that women are able to make it in the tech field just as well as men can? By making everything about fashion and make up of course!
So far all they've done is apprentice-tier tasks to come up with ideas for start ups and apps. You know, things that women have actually been doing for a while. All this show has done is reinforce archaic gender stereotypes and showcase the real reason the tech market is male dominated - Because women put themselves in boxes a lot of the time, and fail to try and break out.
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They do it because it's easy and because it pays very, very well.
They want the money without the work, and the type of people in the CS/programming industries are 90% beta.
Easy pickings, gentlemen.
redpillbanana 8y ago
Open Source coding is probably as close to a meritocracy as you can get - especially since you can always release your own open-source project. And yet there are very few women who are open source developers. Is it because of misogyny? Or is it because they'd rather be doing something else with their time?
Redpillc0re 8y ago
What about closed-source? In the (hot) mobile app stores, nobody knows you 're a dog. And, i mean, girls wuuuv their phones, right?
http://www.appcelerator.com/blog/2013/01/where-are-all-of-the-female-mobile-developers/
Let the mental acrobatics begin.
niczar 8y ago
Especially considering open-source social coding platforms, from github to the good ole LKLM (Linux Kernel miling list) are completely pseudonymous. Nobody needs to know your gender, age, nationality, weight, number of limbs or whether you type with tentacles or directly input code into emacs by altering the quantum state of field effect transistors with your mind.
Christian_Kong 8y ago
Many of my hobbies are nerdy(video/board games, computers/tech). I've been attacked several times on message boards by fems/betas/whatever for saying women/girls just aren't very interested in ___(insert nerdy thing). I get ever reason under the sun(my fault, mens fault, institutionalized faults, gender roles, etc) and once I shut them down with studies and the like it always ends up with the ultimate argument trump card: "It's not that simple." being their final argument. Your perfectly true argument as to why women aren't coders will illicit the same response from many people in this backwards world.
hoopyeah 8y ago
Hey you got any links for these studies? I'd be really interested in seeing someone prove most women can't be interested in technical hobbies/fields.
wont_tell_i_refuse 8y ago
Step 1: World's smartest woman dusts off brand new PC
Step 2: Immediately gets on OKCupid and fucks Chad
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mugatucrazypills 8y ago
they're just working smarter
destraht 8y ago
There is basically only one woman that I know of who is extremely talented and whom I respect and that is Joanna Rutkowska of Qubes OS. I've communicated with her a bunch of times on the forum and she has no problems answering a good question or harshly calling me (and others) on their stupid shit. She is sort of like Linus Torvalds in that way. Also I'm sure that she could be making a hell of a lot more money doing other types of work and much of her work is released as open source and she is addressing a huge issue in society.
So she is cool and the misogynist men like me would appreciate and welcome others like her but they just don't seem to exist. Meanwhile organizations are promoting women to be developers since they apparently need social support when in reality the software industry is one of the most open, egalitarian and profitable industries on the planet. That doesn't seem to stop organizations from trying to make women feel better about themselves though. I propose that feels are not the correct way to make talented software developers and that it naturally arises from people (read men here) spending their Friday and Saturday nights doing something that they find interesting.
monsieurhire2 8y ago
We're not misogynists if we only hate some women some of the time.
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Avedas 8y ago
Scarlett was probably the only actual successful and recognized female professional StarCraft II player. Guess what? Also trans!
MGTOW_player 8y ago
"She" was a DUDE!!! She is a transsexual.
You didn't know this?
Nex201 8y ago
This reminds me of that league of legends player that went pro and everybody was like "the first girl in the pro league esport scene". Well, guess what? "She" was/is a guy.
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Obio1 8y ago
This is the point that feminists miss.
It's not that women can or can't do something as much as it is women don't do something.
Interest begets ability.
How many boys study French in college? Or sociology?
How many girls study engineering? Was there a patriarchy forcing them to study Italian?
How many girls spend their teenage years alone in their room wrangling over endless chunks of code trying to do something cool? Or for that matter: How many girls spend their teenage years alone in their rooms playing a Hendrix riff over and over again -- 1000's of times on their guitar until it's fucking perfect? How many girls spend 3 hours a day trying to lift just a little bit more weight? How many girls pore over books of chess games learning the geeky dark arts of chess tournaments played 50 years ago? These are MALE interests.
Fast forward 20 years, and women look around and think there's some patriarchy holding them down. But that argument is laughable.
Is there a patriarchy that keeps women from being awesome guitar players? Starting a band requires no one's permission. Quick test: How many bands can you name have 3 female musicians and a male singer? LOL. Zero. Why is that?
Is there a patriarchy that keeps women from being able to play chess? Quick test: How many women have ever won a chess tournament? Zero. And for that matter, why on earth is there even a women's chess league? Patriarchy?
Is there a patriarchy that keeps women from being able to code at the same level as men? Please. Same story here...
The issue is INTEREST.
The occasional woman is interested in coding. But those women are rare... Because they like something that women usually don't like.
And in order to have ability, you have to be into something.
neptunesunrise 8y ago
The issue is that "basic bitches" (for lack of a better term) see those women as outliers. They're made to feel like they're only emulating men when they take an interest in anything but babies, so they keep to themselves.
my_redpill_account 8y ago
Yup. Feminism says we don't give them a chance or make it appealing to them.
No, they aren't into it because they aren't interested.
If code is appealing to you that's what should be enough. We don't need to change shit for you and dilute the field.
Derzu_Uzala 8y ago
That's right, the issue is interest.
In fact, one of the most interesting thing for women is the entertainment industry. All this nonsense is just an spectacle to be feed to women, so they can gossip about it and feel indignant. And they pay for it a lot of money which goes to the pocket of the master entertainers: feminists, politicians, NGO, etc.
drallcom3 8y ago
I know a few good female programmers. They like coding because it's the way it is. If someone would make it "more attractive for women" they wouldn't like it anymore.
rpreader 8y ago
Precisely. The funny thing is that these outlier women are often used by feminists as a sort of hero breaking the "gender stereotypes" hero, used to show that "women cando anything" while they themselves continue to study sociology or developmental education ("lel Im sooo bad at math I can't to that stufffff xD").
No one is really saying that women can't do any of the things that men do, no one is disputing that. What we are saying is that women CHOOSE not to pursue the same fields as men. The fact that these fields yield more in salary is the "problem". It's all the female entitlement
shhRP 8y ago
The popular, progressive, and liberal belief is that there is no difference in gender. They rationalize the evidence to fit their pre-ordained belief and not the other way around.
Evidence doesn't determine the result, the preconceived result determines the perception of the evidence.
Elodrian 8y ago
Judit Polgár. She's actually an interesting case study. She and her two sisters are the offspring of László Polgár, a Hungarian psychologist, and he sired them with a female colleague as part of an experiment in child rearing. He theorized that if you train a child from birth in a specialized discipline, they would become geniuses at it. You can debate the ethics of his approach, but after going three for three in raising chess grand-master daughters, you can't say he was wrong.
So much potential is wasted in the west. Every 14 year-old boy who can rattle off all there is to know about Pokemon training could have mastered control theory and be flying swarms of quadrotor helicopters. I genuinely think there is a window of opportunity in childhood development where a boy is programmed to rapidly master a particular discipline. At one point when I was a kid, I learned all about dinosaurs. Pokemon and similar systems exploit that phase by being sufficiently complex to allow for the acquisition of deep (if useless) mastery of the subject, while also actively providing positive reinforcement for that acquisition. It's hard for positivist subjects to compete for brain space unless parents take their kids off the grid and immerse them in something worthwhile during those years.
deeman010 8y ago
Man.... cases like this make me realize how ethics has stunted science. I might just be that sick bastard though....
I mean... I hold nothing against kids but, at the end of the day, they're just smaller impressionable versions of you. What you mold them into is just up to you which is why I don't understand why Tiger parenting became something that is/was frowned upon.
Gawernator 8y ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=133&v=M8-vje-bq9c
Hmm...
kick6 8y ago
Is the issue interest or mastery? Obviously the stupid girls from OP have interest, they just are unwillingly to put in the effort to attain mastery.
I think mastery is a male trait.
franklyforthright 8y ago
Neither, it's incentives or lack there of. There is no drive to push them to greater heights. Artificial incentives need to be created ie sex bots so they stop riding there vaginas to the bank and start becoming functional human beings once more. They will actually have to start caring which will be a huge fucking shock to the hamster. This is why so many women, governments, religions shame and suppress prostitution. It devalues the pussy, and without value there is no power. Best take 99% of that power away from them now, dgaf about sex or women until things change. Fuck and chuck gents
in_monk_mode 8y ago
The Corrs is actually a band with 3 girls and one guy.
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redpillbanana 8y ago
That's a really good point.
For women, as kids they get into things such as gymnastics, ballet, piano/orchestra, dancing, figure skating, and singing.
Note that many of these involve being the "diva" - getting dressed up and being the solo star of the show.
BTW, Judit Polgár's FIDE rank was in the top 10 in the world at one point. She actually has won tournaments and has beaten most of the past and current champions at either normal chess or speed chess. Why? Partially because, as a child, she was trained to be a great chess player by her father, and that probably helped her develop an early interest as she laid waste to all her opponents.
myshieldsforargus 8y ago
So with intense childhood training, she still was never number 1?
AngryCyberCriminal 8y ago
Rank 10 is really, really impressive. Its not like the 9 people above her didnt spend countless hours training when they were young. There are thousands of people who had intense training comparable to her.
redpillbanana 8y ago
To be honest, even with intense childhood training, it is amazing that she made it into the top 10.
Even as a man, the chances of your FIDE rating landing in the top 10 is pretty close to zero, no matter how intense your childhood training was.
myshieldsforargus 8y ago
and yet here we are, with 10 men in the top 10.
Obio1 8y ago
You're totally right... I forgot about Polgar.
destraht 8y ago
Check out this Javascript function that I'm working on:
Its nothing spectacular but just look at it for five seconds while pretending that you are a woman. The realization is obvious.
Avedas 8y ago
I've never touched Javascript before in my life but I understood that perfectly. Male privilege, obviously.
RedPharaohRising 8y ago
Yep, being competent in any scripting language should be enough for one to understand that. Never done JS.
RichardBelmont 8y ago
cool, es6. i'm seeing for-of and let.
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Obio1 8y ago
New 1.7 and higher javascript. Limited scope var.
niczar 8y ago
Dude, I was developing a Firefox extension in 2006 and I was using let already before it was cool.
I'm such a fucking hipster.
destraht 8y ago
Javascript ES6/2015 (well supported is the very old ES5). My build system turns 2015 (current new) and 2016 (future new) JS into ES5 by using the Babel transpiler. And just for kicks I'm going out on a limb and assuming you are a dude since you asked that question.
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destraht 8y ago
Thats the class syntax:
even cooler is anonymous classes with the ES6/2015 module import/export syntax:
Ok, enough shop talk :).
Obio1 8y ago
That's weird, they're having the exact same conversation over on twoX right now...
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Derzu_Uzala 8y ago
I think that those promoting women in STEM are just profiting from that nonsense. Rivers of digital ink, subsidies, conferences, etc.
They belong to the industry of entertainment, not technology.
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A woman who understands security?! I've no idea why but I've never, ever met a woman who understands security. Don't get me wrong, a lot of men don't either, but all of the people I've met who do understand are men. And if you don't understand security, you're shit programmer, period.
RedPillProphet 8y ago
That is an extremely generic word, to the point that it means nothing. It's like saying "you don't understand cloud man". Makes me suspect you're an idiot.
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Derzu_Uzala 8y ago
IMHO, open source is a hobby for some and a way to gain prestige in the community for others.
A lot of successful open source projects have secured high paying job positions for its coders.
Anyway, it is true, women don't have hobbies.
drallcom3 8y ago
It's a dedication, like playing sports. You don't become a star by never having done it.
in_monk_mode 8y ago
so what do they do in their free time?
redpillbanana 8y ago
Many of them list shopping as a hobby.
mossbergman 8y ago
Taking care of a home and children is a full time job! Mistoenistic pig!
/s
Misspelling intentional.
Freddy_Fedora 8y ago
Shopping, facebook, makeup, shaving, moisturizing, waxing, scrubbing, plucking, watching TV.
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let others entertain them - sometimes guys, sometimes Tv & Hollywood
snowflake is bored - patriarchy please fix it
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CS192837465 8y ago
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I-just-came 8y ago
And what do you do for fun? (just to compare)
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laere 8y ago
Going to Victoria secret and trying on their new line of lingerie. Cause let's be real, I look better in it than 80% of em.
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ubercoolhipsterguy 8y ago
Drink, get fucked, and spend beta's paycheck on shoes
Freddy_Fedora 8y ago
I cam sense the butt hurt. Women aren't out there being a whore 24/7. Sure they do these things but they spend nore time doing stuff like shopping/facebook.
So redpill really thinks that women spend most of their time fucking and actively wrangling their orbiters? They really don't, that shit is the highlight of their week. If you interupted them on average day they'd be at home watching a movie while instagramming the chicken they just cooked, or shopping online for dresses or makeup or some shit.
When you write comments like that I just see a 20 yo behind the screen who has no experience around women.
dr_warlock 8y ago
Take the butthurt portion out of the response and this would be correct. I dont know why this is being downvoted.
Avedas 8y ago
This is correct, although those activities really aren't of any more substance.
StillRedder 8y ago
Being a whore takes work, bruh. Like 24/7 work!
Its hard taking selfies of themselves all made up to go out then posting them to Facebook and instagram simultaneously (double the validation, son!). Keeping the thirsty beta orbiters in check: "not tonight beta-Billy... I have a date with Chad ????." We can't forget about snapchat and tinder, both require their utmost attention til they get the dick they want.
If today's young women put as much time and effort into themselves as they did with their virtual presence, the western world wouldn't be as much of a mess. Do like me and ride the wave of CC bitties til it all comes crashing down.
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KarYotypeStereotype 8y ago
Netflix, social media, party, and fuck. Very few develop skills, hobbies, or passions beyond this.
ItIsMyPrivilege 8y ago
You forgot going to the beach
SenorArchibald 8y ago
A lot of women pride themselves on their dick taking abilities
RedPillProphet 8y ago
Lol it's so funny when they brag about it. "Oh wait till you see me go wild!" Invariably they have little skill in bed as well. The definition of wild seems to be being unnecessarily rough and a loud annoying slut.
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dr_warlock 8y ago
Dont forget Dr Oz, Oprah, and Dr Phil
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dr_warlock 8y ago
"Praise Brodin...."
Walks off stage.
TRPn00b 8y ago
And order shit on seamless.
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KingoftheAssholes 8y ago
Did it look like this?
spectrum_92 8y ago
Jesus, you really believe that don't you?
KarYotypeStereotype 8y ago
I was being a bit hyperbolic, but in general, yes. It's also true that very few men develop any substance, either, but these men can't get laid. Really, really think about the average American young adult. Most of them don't do anything but feed the me-monster.
spectrum_92 8y ago
I'd say that the propensity to waste time on frivolous and meaningless shit is pretty broadly spread across the general population everywhere. But if most of the girls you know are netflix-watching party sluts you need to keep better company.
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you forgot horseriding.
Actually nevermind, it would invalidate your post. Girls who ride horses just ride horses, fuck, ride horses, and fuck. Very few develop skills, hobbies, or passions beyond this.
zombig 8y ago
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=147699263
bluedrygrass 8y ago
It's so true. I can't really grasp why.
RedManBearPig 8y ago
So relevant question here. Met a girl (fellow internee) who does horse gymnastics, don't ask me what it is I have no fucking idea. On a scale from 1 to mad bitch crazy, how crazy is she? Rather impossible to asses during working hours in this environment.
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yes as headingred said sex is amazing and they're legs are fukn strong as shit compared to other girls and beautiful if that's something you value.
Absolutely batshit fucking crazy. I would elaborate on this further but I'm in class.
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M3_Drifter 8y ago
There is a correlation though: Each horse is the approximate equivalent of having 10 cats. I'm sure there is some kind of additional multiplier for stuff like horse gymnastics though.
HeadingRed 8y ago
Confirmed have had 3 horse girls nothing can prepare you for this.
Sex pretty damn good tho
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Every woman's magazine on the shelf is about make-up, clothes, how to fuck, celebrity gossip, etc. etc.
Their world revolves around looking good and attracting a mate.
Men's magazines range from everything from golf and shooting to economics and popular science and model-making and stamp-collecting to travel and photography.
ben0wn4g3 8y ago
Also notice, women magazines are full of pictures of women, and men (or lads mags) are full of pictures of women.
Women care more than men what the opposite sex thinks of them. Not exactly sure why.
my_redpill_account 8y ago
I was in the checkout and saw all those magazines. Seriously they all say the same things.
Easy 2 second tip to get rid of belly fat! (Yeah right)
Something something WILD SEX TECHNIQUE
Something about some famous whore doing something normal people don't care about.
And some bitch on the cover.
Every single one! Man it must be easy to make a magazine.
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I think trp disagrees with this, as do I. Read the manipulated man. If you compliment a woman she'll like that you validated her and what not but if a woman compliments her it's an orgasm.
Most men care about what women think about them more than the other way around. The fact that most guys would consider 70% of women and every women would only find 20% of men datable is enough to show this. Hence why females just have to "show up".
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You mean guys don't actually care about a woman's new hair cut, or shoes, or makeup...?
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I don't know if this is sarcasm or not so I can't form a response accordingly. :)
ben0wn4g3 8y ago
Or because only 20% are attractive they have to work so much harder to secure a 20% man.
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that's the thing though. Therein lies the problem. Every woman basically believes they DESERVE such a man. that would make a total of 100% vs 20%. They don't work hard for it, they actually believe they just deserve it because they're special. Women working hard to secure a guy? Lol give me a break. Makeup, makeup, show skin, get fit, semi good genes. Done. A woman can now pursue any chad she wants. good luck getting a ltr out of him but that's another story.
A lot of guys have the exact same qualities and never get laid.
M3_Drifter 8y ago
Bullshit. Women compliment each other all the fucking time. Ever seen the facebook/instagram of a girl? Any girl, regardless of beauty gets innumerable "so beautiful", "gorgeous", "sexy", etc. thrown at them every time they put up a new selfie.
haxurmind 8y ago
On social media, such women's comments are just looking to piggy back on the train of attention and validation being given to the star. A public comment puts them in the limelight rather than be left in obscurity.
Offline comments in person are the regular noises they make to stay in the good books of the local social pecking order.
M3_Drifter 8y ago
Star? WTF dude? I'm talking about regular women, not celebrities. 4/10s. 7/10s. Doesn't matter. But yes, it's all about your place in the hen house.
haxurmind 8y ago
I was talking in context of a specific post vs the weight in value of follow on posts, in that the attention seeking content of the original 'I need validation' poster is the star attraction and would naturally get the most attention while follow on posts piggy back on that originating post, as others try to suck in some of that attention/validation to establish their position in their social circle (hen house fits btw).
The quality of the content doesn't matter; just that it would be treated as the top quality content of the moment within a specific social circle, until someone else posts something else (something different as opposed to the one-upmanship competitive nature of males) and the whole cycle begins anew.
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ok if you want to believe they prefer a guy compliment over a girl compliment so be it.
Girls see us as tools, a means to an end. They would bang a hot rp or chad because it's cool to do. Guys are capable of unconditional love with the most random of chicks for no darn reason.
Girls actually see each other as humans. it means much more when a human compliments them vs when a robot or a car or a tool compliments them. Plus they know guys are doing it trying to get in her pants. When a girl does it she takes it more seriously.
M3_Drifter 8y ago
I said no such thing. Only that most female to female compliments are meaningless social jibberjabber.
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I shouldn't have implied that then.
Maybe to you and me I guess. Obviously a whole hearted comment in real life from a girl would mean much more vs online. Do something too much and it loses its value. Maybe that's what's happened? Idk.
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Nicholas_ 8y ago
Normally i don't comment on things like this but if you're watching anything from the bbc then you're doing it wrong.
Hope this inspires more people not to pay attention to mainstream bullshite.
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Claude_Reborn 8y ago
They were scrub coders at that.
Pathetic effort. I could code that stuff after a day of learning.
Get gud or gtfo.
It's why you'll never see women en mass in Engineering and coding. Takes too much logic and not enough feels
poop_zamboni 8y ago
Sorry to interrupt the circle jerk, but coding used to be a common career choice with women and there have been some great women programmers. Look up Ada Lovelace and Margaret Hamilton. It's just a societal thing now that computers are for men.
rp_valiant 8y ago
or it's a case of personal choice. Less women choose STEM because a smaller percentage of the female population are interested in computer programming, in the same way that there are more female kindergarten teachers than male. Do you see this as a problem?
Myrpl 8y ago
You're wrong. Computers were always for both. Women avoid getting into it not because misogynistic shitlords hold the doors shut but because they're not interested.
But admitting that a smaller percentage of women are interested in programming vs. the percentage of men who are doesn't really sound useful to rampant feminists. Better blame patriarchy then attempt to shoehorn every halfwit into the profession by appealing to male-to-female workplace ratio.
my_redpill_account 8y ago
Thank women for that. The entire time that the tech field spent getting huge berating nerds, women spent it loling at them for playing games and doing tech shit.
Now they want in on it. That isn't men's fault.
Yeah there are women in tech and coding because they decided not to care about what everyone thought of them and did what they liked.
sir_wankalot_here 8y ago
Babbage and Ada set computing back 100 years atleast. The Babbage machine used gears and the gears had to be precise. Shortly after Babbage worked on his machine a Frenchman invented a mechanical binary method of computing. Basically mechanical bit. This did not require precision machining.
The main reason why it never got developed is because the Babbage machine was a failure, therefore invests where scared of getting burned.
Babbage was useless, Ada was useless.
Avedas 8y ago
Wow, two women. How impressive. All I need to do is look at the demographics in my engineering classes for my answer.
Jaereth 8y ago
Two hardly establishes a pattern, especially when you could say the sample is over 30 years at this point.
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You created an alt account just to post that?
Dildo_Saggins 8y ago
The common phrase over at SRS is "don't touch the poop", which basically means "no brigading/interacting with the rest of reddit". We all know how much of a joke this is, and /u/poop_zamboni is just an SJW lurker who had a thought but couldn't contribute on her/its main account.
Honestly that's fine. Engaging in debate is a good thing, and they were at least polite about it. But make no mistake on where this comment comes from.
kick6 8y ago
No it didn't. Homemaker used to be the common career choice for women.
exceptions don't disprove generalities. You picked the worst place to drop a NAWALT.
boscoist 8y ago
Before computers and excel, there were women doing that kind of menial calculations for engineers. their job title was computer iirc
kick6 8y ago
so they won't coders, they were calculators.
ColdEiric 8y ago
Why do these feminists need to talk like this? It's so childish.
This is like having to listen to short, fat, ugly, stupid guys talking about they are also tall, fit, hot, intelligent. Just like those guys over there.
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they are only short and fat because they are not encouraged to be tall and handsome as children. You need to wake up and realize that this is institutionalized from the minute we are born.
Check your privilege.
ColdEiric 8y ago
I guess you're right.
They should get participation trophies, or what do say? Wouldn't it be fair and just, if they also got something? They're men too, aren't they?
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I admit I never watched the whole thing so I could be misunderstanding the point. But (true) software engineering takes years of training and dedication. The fact that women expect to be able to walk in straight out of an 8 hour instagram/facebook/twitter marathon and contribute their opinions to get a "well deserved slice" of the multibillion dollar industry is insulting to those who actually work in the field.
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sirmadam 8y ago
The report button is up there ^^ – report it if you don't think it fits, don't comment bitching.
human_bean_ 8y ago
For a CS professional, learning to deal with this kind of stuff is self-improvement. It can alter the direction of your career.
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Myrpl 8y ago
Just a heads up: If you're a professional you should follow law 38 ("Think as you like but behave like the others") for anyone who brings this documentary up irl, your opinion will be used against you down the road.
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The whole point of bitching online is to be fairly anonymous though.
Myrpl 8y ago
Yes, I obviously referred to professional environments in real life (irl), not online boards.
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Oh I can see it now, "Reportforduty please come in for your performance review. We have some concerns about you saying that, "all the women in your engineering department are inept twats who sucked dicks to get hired.""
Myrpl 8y ago
LOL! All jokes aside, even a neutral "hrmh I watched that documentary and I have mixed impressions..." can be interpreted as a sign of misogyny to rabid feminists. They're going full Lannister in thinking "if you're not with our side then you're against us".
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raceAround126 8y ago
I love all this shit.
The fact of the matter is that the development world has become piss easy. I would say it's fast headed in the same realm as infrastructure support. You just don't need a degree anymore as most company's requirements don't actually require a decent level of competence. The vendor's software does all the heavy lifting for you. With today's .Net framework dev-friendliness, more people than ever are getting into the development game. Men and women.
The problem is, when it comes up to a real challenge, almost all of them fall flat on their faces. It really isn't a big challenge for anyone to sit down and with a few prompts of what to look at, I would give it three months tops for anyone to flesh out a perfectly functional website with database backend with little to no prior experience. It really isn't that difficult any more. To me though, that doesn't make you a developer.
So when all this guff about "girls can code" comes up, it's presented like they were just as smart as guys all along - who knew - big whoop! The fact is anyone can "code" these days, it really doesn't take a big dollop of brain power. In a world driven by VB.Net and an Internet full of copy pasta, it's really not the challenge it used to be.
I would bet you this though; throw a piece of C++, Assembler or even Java on linux problem at them with the sole knowledge that there's a bug, most of these people - men and women - fail at the first hurdle. Some of the new guys coming in can't even tell me what a stack is, have no idea what I mean by popping a stack, most couldn't even describe the general architecture of a CPU. I had to explain bit shifting a while back to a few of my junior team. Some of them damn near cried. The three women just checked out mentally after ten minutes, and of the two guys, I think only one of them grasped what was happening.
Is it important these days to know any of this? Well from a development perspective probably not for a good 60% of roles out there. By that I mean for a good 60% of dev roles I bet it will soon be the case that a degree isn't even required.
But it's that top 40% of roles that remain out of reach to anyone but the most dedicated and educated of developers. And that realm is so far, in my experience, as yet untouched by women. Simply because they don't have the experience or capacity for it. And I would also paint a lot of men with that same brush. And it is these top 40% of roles that tend to pay the most.
So these revelations of "woman can code" really mean nothing to me. The fact is, so can my own Mother!
Now to delve a little deeper, most of the women I look after do not hold development roles. The ones that do are junior and really haven't the capacity to move into any senior roles, nor are they putting forth the effort to do so. Most of the women are largely in administrative tasks, such as scrum masters or business operations types. Added to that, in the event that I select a female candidate for any position, it is the usual that they are offered the top-end of the salary range. Males are usually offered the lowest or even sometimes below. Hey, we have to look good to the guys who pull our purse strings!
What really gets me is that these are the sorts of opportunities that I would have given my right leg for when I was coming up. I didn't get to my position today because of social promotion, I got it because I worked fucking hard and long hours. If at 22 someone told me I could go get a chance to work in a fully funded gaming start-up, I can't think of many of my piers who would say no. Yet they get these utter clutzes and give the opportunity to them because for some reason they're "disadvantaged"? Fuck that! That's wrong!
Source: 10 years as a software and hardware engineer, currently in my third managerial position looking after a 20 strong department.
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How come this hasn't been whistle-blown in any company before? I hear about it all the time. I feel like it would be pretty easy to get evidence (paperwork/testimony) and sue the company to hell.
raceAround126 8y ago
What would you be suing them for? IF you apply for a role with a £30-35k salary range and get offered £30k, you're in the salary range. If you get offered £35k, you're still in the range.
The thing is we need to show a positive discriminatory recruitment ethic to our shareholders given the sort of work we do. This is not uncommon either and doesn't extend only to women.
But like I say, there really isn't a whistle to blow. Not one that is in anybody's hearing range anyway. It is what it is.
Case in point, management couldn't deal with yet another white male manager (me) so I have a department head above me who is about as far from white and male that you can get to make them look good. They are piss useless and anything they try and get involved with, they just look stupid. But they are there to fulfil a quota.
Bitches love quotas.
I don't like any of this and this is world where merit alone won't save you. I don't like it, but I like you have no choice but to play along. Unless you're happy picking up shit for minimum wage for the rest of your days.
Avedas 8y ago
What in the fuck? All of that was like freshman intro to computer architecture stuff I took 4 years ago at the start of my EE degree. Did these fools even go to school?
For me it's been completely backwards. Starting from EE and my goal is now software, I learned a lot of hardware and architectural topics first, and I'm only now teaching myself .NET application and other very high level topics. You're absolutely right about the tools available now and copypasta. In school I had to write/read/understand assembly, track specific values on a stack, manually manage my own threads and processes in an RTOS environment, design hardware in VHDL to create a functioning CPU architecture, understand and apply optimization techniques -- the list goes on. Now with IDE tools and other various software toys the work is done for you, and I don't just mean mundane boilerplate trash. Need to parallelize some repetitive functions? No problem, OpenMP does it for you. Registers and pipeline optimization? What's that??? Not to mention all the code snippets on StackOverflow alone that will solve 99% of the problems you'll ever encounter.
Of course I'll take the fancy tools and toys over the manual work any day. My goal is productivity and results, and less busy work means more time for important things. I wouldn't even say I'm incredibly amazing at all those things, but I can get them done effectively now just finishing the last few bits of my degree.
raceAround126 8y ago
I wouldn't be too quick to turn down the more difficult positions. Hardware still advances at a rate of knots especially any more specialised development.
As software development becomes more of a lost art, those skills will be in demand. It's pretty much that way now. Finding a decent senior C++ developer is getting more and more difficult.
human_bean_ 8y ago
I don't know why you are ragging on C# and .NET. Difficult architectural problems and algorithms will always exist. Parallelism and networks won't get magically easy to do. Most of the difference between C++ and C# is just boring ass boiler plate. It's more difficult to manage complexity with C++, but I don't see how that's a pro for the language.
raceAround126 8y ago
While I regard C# highly, the standard belief these days is a year into a VB.Net role makes you God... or at least that's the attitude I come across regularly from applicants.
And to be honest, network infrastructure maintenance is far easier than it was when I was a network engineer back in the early 00s. Personally I didn't find it all that difficult then, anything from installing fibre through to configuring a multi-planer routing infrastructure wasn't a big deal. Now with the fancy graphicy tools Cisco et al put out, it's never been easier. I'm constantly amazed at the fancy toys the networks team have at their disposal. For one thing, the job is far far far less physical than it was ten years ago!
human_bean_ 8y ago
Excuse me for not making it clear. Network programming. TCP, UDP, etc.
raceAround126 8y ago
When is the last time you had to program a TCP stack?
We maintain our own network interface driver at the transport level simply due to the nature of our development but it requires little if any real changes. I think ours was developed about 15 years ago and since then sees maybe one or two changes per year.
human_bean_ 8y ago
Multiplayer games do require some smart programming to make it low latency and perform well. Of course there are libraries for that, but they don't always work right.
raceAround126 8y ago
While being able to correctly utilise those libraries still requires skill, the fact that engines like Unity 3D exists means any numpty can throw some terrible game together, become a shit game sensationalist and somehow still be classed as a game developer is testament to the utter lack of skill infesting the world of development as a whole.
Snivellious 8y ago
This is depressing and hilarious to me. There aren't a lot of female programmers, but the ones I know would be incensed about this. The way to bring women into programming isn't to mock the skilled, dedicated women who already do it with shit like this.
newls 8y ago
Trust me when I say that the truly skilled women in STEM fields dislike the freeloading bitches a lot more than we do.
GlennBeckAmerica 8y ago
Anybody else seen that Levis jeans commercial with Alicia Keys ? She's says " All girls are bad ass No matter what ."....right.
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mister_barfly75 8y ago
When everyone's bad ass, no one is....
GlennBeckAmerica 8y ago
Right . So EVERY single girl in the world, is badass. Even if they're just not , in any sense of the word. Have you seen the commercial ?
BlackHeart89 8y ago
Who gives a flying fuck.
The tech market is male dominated because more men are interested and just on average, better at the job.
Let them hamster all they want. Its just bullshit and everyone knows it except for the women. And since most women don't give a shit about this sort of work, it won't even matter.
mescalinejasp 8y ago
I would care if I was passed over for a job because the company wanted to fulfil their 'we have women in tech' quota.
I work for a company that sing that tune and personality I find it disconcerting.
BlackHeart89 8y ago
That quota isn't so big that it would screw over a lot guys. What, 3 out of 20?
All the more reason to be in the top 10 I suppose. Life.
through_a_ways 8y ago
Men have better spatial intelligence, are more likely to have higher intelligence in general, and are inherently more interested in spatial/science/tech subjects.
That's the trifecta for men in STEM.
destraht 8y ago
Over here in Ukraine it would be ludicrous to hear a woman complaining about how a man is smart and has a good job that he trained for years to get. However, in the West it is somehow a conversation piece.
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I remember when the BBC was actually good, was actually neutral and was a standard for journalistic principles.
This being a good example of how they used to be.
Now it's just cancer and I don't think anyone should be made to buy TV licences (The tax to run the BBC, charged on any TV whether you watch the BBC or not).
CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 8y ago
If you want to see the REAL heavyweight BBC of a bygone era, nothing can compare to Kenneth Clark's "Civilisation" series from 1969: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuLE7TDAqwg
beginner_ 8y ago
Yeah, same thing here. You pay a substantial fee yearly for national TV, which mostly is crap. Only thing it's useful for is sports like national team soccer matches. It's about $1000 a year...
Sokh 8y ago
Not sure where you're getting that figure from. I pay £12.12 a month for my TV license.
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I believe he's talking about another country altogether.
Sad thing is I would happily pay $1000 a year for the old BBC.
nzgs 8y ago
The women who work in computer science, and any STEM field for that matter, aren't actually interested in this kind of girl power feminist bullshit. They are generally aware that they are in a male space and for the most part they like it that way since there is less bitchiness, gossip, and typical behaviour you find in a female office environment. A lot of women in STEM tend to have quite masculine or tomboy behavioural traits anyway and find it easier to fit in as a result.
The people behind these stupid movements have no real interest in coding or science. They just see a male space and they have to destroy it. They're usually in liberal academia or the media and filled with so much left-wing self-righteousness that they want to remodel industries in their image.
p.s I haven't paid my licence fee in more than 15 years since I was a naive student. To other Brits on here, I recommend you do the same and free up £150/year to spend on important things (like a gym membership). The BBC is already under attack from the Tories making them pay for free licence fees for OAPs, so every non-payer just adds to the pressure on them.
One_friendship_plz 8y ago
They basically get free education off the sole fact that they're women, there's hackathons that are only for women and we're supposed to believe that they believe women are equal?
Surf_Or_Die 8y ago
Have you ever noticed how leftists could go on for hours about how biased FOX news are, but will NEVER concede that any other news agency is biased toward the other end of the spectrum? I find it interesting. It says something about how weak their analytical skills are. Now I tend to lean right on politics but I recognize propaganda for what it is whether it swings a left or right hook. FOX is incredibly biased, but so is BBC.
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[So relevant](http://videos.nymag.com/video/Silicon-Valley-Hiring-a-Woman#c=X0C1921WRNXXN6XF&t='Silicon Valley': Hiring a Woman)
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boredguy93 8y ago
BBC really is cancer. just look at how they jumped down Clarksons throat whenever he toed the line of Political Correctness, and always sided with any complaints about him. theres a list somewhere of all the 'bad things' he did and every entry is a sham.
sirmadam 8y ago
I've been re-watching a lot of Top gear recently and keep noticing how Hammond and May have just as many gaffs as Clarkson (the mexican thing springs to mind immediately) but there are also a lot of smaller ones. Nobody picks up on it because nobody cares…but when Clarkson does it "muh-soggy-knees"
boredguy93 8y ago
ha love that "soggy knees". that 'slope' gaff was equally hammond too.
I went to a adult learning course thing when he got fired, filled with single/stay at home moms, he came up in conversation and they all hated him with a passion. had to bite my tongue so hard that day. "I hate him because he's a pig", I love him because he's a pig.
sirmadam 8y ago
I love him because he's as shit and doesn't care…exactly the type of bloke I aim to be "Oh I hurt your feelings, sorrynotsorry" Haha.
Chrience 8y ago
I'm surprised you didn't mention that "Lulu" app they had shown. They said 1 in 4 U.S college girls now have this app that rates a "guys decorum" 1 out of 10 "shoes size, his manners, if he's a momma's boy" and post the results all over social media to their friends family etc. Jesus! It's nothing more than an app to perfectly assist a woman's hypergamy and humiliate poor beta bastards! Just imagine if this was made for guys to rate women, no doubt they're would be an uproar. Evren so.... that Tech Investor bitch just made millions from it.
bluedrygrass 8y ago
How is that app eve legal? Isn't that bullying, harassment, stalking at the very least?
rp_valiant 8y ago
the hilarious thing about this documentary is that they did the classic SJW move - even though these girls had no interest in coding whatsoever, they shoehorned the girls into coding and then declared "look girls can code too!"
Of course girls can code too... nothing's stopping them and there's plenty of skilled female developers. The real "problem" that needs "solving" is that the majority of developers are male - this isn't due to sexism, but is because most girls just aren't into programming or STEM subjects in general. Men and women have different interests generally - and that's absolutely fine imho - but nope, that doesn't fit the agenda!
gekkozorz 8y ago
How many people do you see working at fragrance counters who aren't either women or gay men?
I Need Meninism because I get really mad when there aren't enough straight men in female-dominated cultures. Everything needs to have a 50% gender split. To prove we're all equal, or something.
rp_valiant 8y ago
yep, and I'd sleep better at night knowing that the natural gas powering my radiators was fracked by female gas engineers. But for some reason they don't want to do that job - I think it's because they've internalised the patriarchy!
evileddy 8y ago
As a guy.. I can put on makeup!
Of course I suck at it because I find makeup silly and have never done it other than for Halloween.
And that is OK that I am sucky at makeup... we don't need a campaign for young boys to help them learn about makeup.
nzgs 8y ago
You can bet that there is a SJW movement somewhere to get young boys wearing makeup, just as they're making men sit down to pee in Germany.
evileddy 8y ago
And cross our legs on public transpo!
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I couldn't watch anymore when the girl was crying about 30 seconds in saying she's never been privileged enough to show her potential.
Dildo_Saggins 8y ago
That's hamster language for "I have no potential but would like a convenient excuse as to why".
sir_wankalot_here 8y ago
What the fuck ? All she needs is to make a guthub account
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when women say they aren't encouraged enough to go into technically demanding fields and then use that to justify why the fields are dominated by men, I think they are honestly imagining that boys, from a young age, are actually hand-held, coddled, and led into these fields while the girls are led into another room to be distracted by barbies and dollhouses.
they don't realize the way things actually work, because they are living in a totally different world
sir_wankalot_here 8y ago
A github is free, compilers are free. If you know where to look you can get get free hosting and you can get free/trial VPS. Hmmm manuals are free online.
Maybe the women want me to code the shit for them ? ☺
kreativsniks 8y ago
When I'm driving I like to listen to BBC radio (it is accessible throughout Europe, not just the UK) for their news reports. But one thing I've noticed is how often they talk about 'women's rights', 'sexism', 'misogyny' and other, similar problems. Usually their correspondent goes to some developing country and interviews a local 'rights activist' who then tells their point of view.
Yesterday, they were in Argentina, and as it turns out, Argentina is very sexist. They interviewed a male psychologist who's had female clients too. And he said that even though he sees 'sexism' as a problem in contemporary Argentina, yet many of his female clients complain that 'they can't find a proper male' who will provide for them. Also, a portion of his male clients feel pressured by the society to fulfill this provider role for women.
As an Eastern European, I find it somewhat confusing that 'feminism' is so much talked about in Western mainstream media. I've traveled to plenty of Western European countries and nowhere I saw these 'sexism etc.' problems in real life. On the other hand, I saw plenty of males who looked like they have gender identity problems.
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
The problem is that these sexist males are not conforming to the correct stereotype that women decided for them.
destraht 8y ago
I'm from the North Bay an hour North of San Francisco and what feminism is there is women trying to act assertive but they just don't know how to do it in a reasonable way and so they emulate a caricature of masculinity and it is basically pushy and mean (or as some say non-stop shit-tests). So when I'm back home (I'm in Eastern Europe now) I perceive that so many people are trying to break me down from subtle gesture, conversation to ideology. I'm personally disgusted with most of them and so I'm unable to exploit the game by getting laid. I've fluctuated in fitness between the top 20% to top 2% of men and I definitely had my wild periods but its just impossible for me now because I just don't appreciate or like the women back home. Here in Ukraine I can be nice and polite to women and any sort of negging would turn them off and push them down too low.
kreativsniks 8y ago
Thanks for a detailed and well thought out response.
I am curious about the point you make about 'people breaking you down back home'. Do they criticize you about being influenced by 'Western culture'? Does women in Ukraine expect you be masculine in traditional sense? If so, it makes sense that using game techniques we see working in Western world, doesn't really work in our region.
I'm not really sure, perhaps I completely missed the point you were trying to make.
destraht 8y ago
Its not really a reaction to being abroad but more just the general state of things. It can be said in other common expressions that women are "shit testing" a whole lot in the Western world and that an alpha man just blasts through it and slays the pussy. What happens though when their behavior simply disgusts you, even though you know how to get the ultimate prize of the pussy out of it? It basically comes down to me getting very little pussy and then realizing that women (and a lot of dudes) are just being mean a lot and trying to see if I'm vulnerable. Its a general break down of my spirit. Its like going into a prison culture and then someone telling you "that is just how the world is" when its just a particular culture with its own power dynamic. Its also super tedious to either keep my mouth shut so much or alternatively to argue with people about so many things while puling shit out of my hat like "actually its different in X country where I lived".
Yes, I think that the game works differently here and its much more to my liking. I don't like being a dick to women all of the time to push them down from their stratospheric ego into the upper reaches of the real world. I like being nice to women, and that doesn't mean I'm not getting what I want. The other day I went to a massage parlor and I received such a rocking time that afterwards I went to a nearby market to pick up some snacks for the girl because she mentioned that she forgot to bring food and she couldn't leave for several hours. Also sarcasm is almost non-existent here and along with that goes all of the negging that people do with the "just joking" and humor is basically of another variety and probably more practical in nature. The parameter of normalcy was incredibly narrow here in the past and that is changing for the better and related to that they don't have the culture of celebrating all things even if they are perverse.
I'll summarize by saying that women give a lot of comfort tests here and not so many shit tests. Its a whole change of strategy that I'm still getting used to and really I find it to be far better.
Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin 8y ago
This reminds me of a certain club in a nearby college where I live. The club is a "Women in Business" club. The funny thing is that they are more concerned with business fashion. Their Facebook and Instagram pages often showcase different girls with outfits that reflect business attire. They even have a fashion show, displaying different business outfits. They want to be seen as these sophisticated "business women" but the actual business part of it all is less important.
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I agree with you 100% but in fairness this was the entire "business" club at my university. The dudes were almost just as bad.
It was like one big game of "dress up".
NightwingTRP 8y ago
I saw a minute or two of this... it's the most retarded show I've seen in a long time. It demonstrated nothing of value to me.
However I did get to watch some classic-level hamstering from these chicks trying to protect their own self image. (Which was indeed the reason I went "this is retarded" and turned it off.)
Also, as a side note, I don't think the link is likely to work for our cousins across the pond. I don't think the BBC iPlayer is available there unless they use a UK-based proxy.
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with the hola browser addon, i can watch it.
just google for 'hola' and its a 2 second install you can proxy yourself to any country in seconds
ChanThunderwang 8y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0fzGBclsKs
Yeah, I only found this. But it seems like 100% entertainment. It is not even about coding.
And holy fuck, they all act like 11 year old children...
Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKglarhA1ms
You imagine they were 6 year old boys instead of adult women. It would still fit.
"And then Bobby said he had to go to the loo. And then Timmy said we should do a poo game. He he he!" "Hehehe! Yeah, it should be called poo pee poo! Hehe!" "Lol"
evileddy 8y ago
Their idea for a game was a girl trying to take a shit and the female character hits her boyfriend for asking "where are you?"
holy fucking shit
unassumingusername7 8y ago
6 year old boys might actually start coding.
CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 8y ago
BBC three is the cultural marxist arm aimed at the 16-25 demographic.
Here is an extract of their show "Free Speech": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7JmVwMNq4c
ChanThunderwang 8y ago
They are actually arguing that the west has a rape culture but Muslims don't...
EDIT: If this guy was tall, strong and attractive, they would not attack him this much.
sirmadam 8y ago
What an utter shitshow that was. And people are petitioning to keep the license fee? I've never paid it and never will do, either.
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If you don't like it just ignore it, the BBC and all the other rackets are just anteaters frantically stuffing their tongues up the assholes of their targeted demographics.
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I work in and around startups. The only women here are in marketing positions. Even then they aren't very good. Girls can code? Yeah they can. At the same level they can cook and function at