Tl; dr - Consider a vasectomy if you value your career, freedom and independence.
Just watched a particularly radical video on the pros of a vasectomy. I agreed with all of his points, besides the last one. Although I hate kids with a passion, that's fucked up.
Then again; I believe he is just acting like that to provoke butthurt fueled exposure for his channel.
Back on topic:
This has motivated me to decide on a vasectomy.
Getting a vasectomy has been something I've wanted since I started thinking about the possibility of owning kids one day. I have never liked kids, and I don't want them.
I believe it would interfere with my life and my plans too much. I also like the idea of a vasectomy so I never have to worry about falling into the trap of paying child support or alimony for Chad's bastard.
I am aware that this could change in the future, which is why I am considering storing semen in a sperm bank if I decide I want kids in the future. I doubt it though.
Especially when during my research I find statistics that:
Only a small number of men who have a vasectomy ever use their banked sperm -- around 2 percent, according to a study done by researchers at Australia's Monash Medical School in Richmond, Victoria.
Also only 6% of men opted to have a reversal of their vasectomy (which I didn't realize was also an option, it's called a vasovasectomy). The rate of success with a vasovasectomy is highest the sooner you do it after the original vasectomy, but after about 10 years, your rate drops to 30% change of impregnation.
Here is a short list of benefits for the skeptics:
- The freedom of not having to worry about knocking up a one-night stand or a crazy post-wall plate.
- Can Improve sex-life, and contentment with marriage
- A vasectomy doesn't affect ejaculation, so you creampie and facialize to your hearts content.
- A vasectomy doesn't affect testosterone levels, and has in some cases shown to even slightly improve them
- You no longer have to trust a LTR with birth-control, or use condoms. Fire away cap'n!
Here are some cons:
- If you decide on storing sperm, it can be pretty expensive. You're looking at hundreds of dollars to thousands every year.
- The procedure, although quick, can be quite painful from what I've heard. Mainly the injection into your tests. Ouch.
- If you don't have a back-up, and decide on a vasovasectomy, the chances of success after long periods are low.
That's all I can think of for now.
CONCLUSION:
So, for all the MGTOW's out there, I would consider this procedure.
There are viable contingency plans in case of a change-of-heart, and the benefits that it offers to men living in such a fucked-up, feminized culture is bountiful. Be prepared, and willing to make sacrifices to ensure you don't get tied down by your swimmers.
NotUpToAnythingGood 9y ago
I had a vasectomy done seven years ago. The vasectomy was a no-scalpel version. In short, a needle is used to numb you, then a needle hook is used to pull the vas deferrens out (through the hole from the numbing needle) to snip/tie/cauterize followed by pushing the two ends back inside. Took about 20 minutes and was done in the doctors office (minor procedure).
I was one of the few who had complications. My complications were swelling and bruising. Not bad mind you, but walking was uncomfortable for about a week.
Do not forget that if you get one, you still need to ejaculate 8-10 times after the procedure to ensure the pipes are clear.
Lastly, there is a chance that it can undo itself. The process is called recanalization. Happens roughly 1 in 10,000 procedures. My urologist had it happen to one of his patients (not me).
[deleted] 9y ago
So what you are saying is going scalpel free to sever vas defferns makes a severe vast difference in discomfort and recovery time?
NotUpToAnythingGood 9y ago
Generally yes. I know a guy who had the regular scalpel version and his recovery was over three weeks.
I was good to go and the bruising / swelling was 100% gone in under two. Also only needed one stitch instead of a whole line of them like he had.
The NSV is the way to go if you decide to get a vasectomy. Faster recovery time, less discomfort, done in under 20 minutes. It actually took longer to prep than it did to do the procedure.
[deleted] 9y ago
bullshit it was you. you recanalized like a motherfucker
[deleted] 9y ago
I don't know why, but your comment made me spray soylent everywhere. Fuck your clever gubbins!
NotUpToAnythingGood 9y ago
No, not me. Though it was a concern because I heal exceptionally well. I rarely scar even when I have stitches. My body strongly believes in restoring itself according to manufacturer specifications.
Been shooting blanks for seven years now. Made life much nicer on the sex front.
[deleted] 9y ago
Stop bragging, I'm pretty sure my body cleared Hep C out of my system and I didn't catch it. Beat that!
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
When I was a child, we lived in a paper sack in the middle of the road, and had to get 2 hours before we went to bed in order to pay for the privilege to be allowed to work in the mines.
[deleted] 9y ago
One time I pooped out a chunk of glass AND a bottle cap in the same sitting. I don't even know where they came from.
Hardly any blood.
[deleted] 9y ago
I had the no-scalpel kind.
The worst part is literally smelling part of yourself being cooked as they cauterize it.
purplecabbage 9y ago
You might want to wait for Vasagel to be fda approved. It's temporary birth control for men. Quite epic if it works.
_eskimo_brothers_ 9y ago
This topic comes up every few months.
I want Vasalgel too. But the more I think about it, the more I may go for the non-surgical vasectomy even when Vasalgel is available. I still plan to wait a few more years to decide though. Regardless, a man's sperm should be under his own control. Getting snipped, or getting a polymer injected to give him back his control is in my opinion, just the way it should be, I don't want to rely on someone else or their design for offspring if I have stated it's not what I want. Plus, with a monogamous LTR after both getting checked to make sure both parties are clean, I'm sorry but no-condom sex is literally 10-100x better. Add in no risk of kids, that's amazing.
RISUG or nearly the same method in India has been used for quite some time now. It works, and the primate trials are all working out very well. It's just a question on how fast it can get to the U.S. right now it's looking like 2017/2018. It obviously puts female birth control at a disadvantage, so it doesn't have big money behind it. Which is why you should donate:
http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-home/
[deleted] 9y ago
I got a vasectomy a few years ago. Best money I ever spent. Got snipped on a Friday, sat around all weekend, felt great by Monday. No swelling or bruising that I noticed. My balls hang tighter now, like they're scared. No change in ejaculate.
You do have to take a few days off lifting. But not 2 months.
m1serablist 9y ago
I always wanted to ask this, what about the color, is the ejaculate White or grayish
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It's the same color it was before, which is clear-ish.
LancerKagato 9y ago
Just food for thought, met someone who got a botched vasectomy and cant get it up anymore, though it's very rare, Everyone should know every possibility when considering
[deleted] 9y ago
don't know why you were downvoed, this thread is an informative thread and not an argument to explain why vasectomy is super awesome and everyone should do it.
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
Agreed. Co-worker got one, surgeon botched it, went back for surgical repairs a couple of times for a year and a half, during which he couldn't walk/work, and in great discomfort/pain. He's ok now, though.
[deleted] 9y ago
Holy malpractice settlement batman.
corrigun 9y ago
I know two guys who were botched. One had a drain in his sac for months.
WolfenSatyr 9y ago
Anytime you get your body cut open there's a risk of something. If the .01% chance of losing the mighty oak scares you then don't do it.
I'll support your decision to go panty shopping too.
LionLaw 9y ago
This might sound like a fucked up thing to do, but if I ever were to have a vasectomy I would not tell a plate or an LTR about it but would tell them from the get go that I would never want kids and that if they were to date me I would not change my mind.
If an LTR happened to get pregnant, I would play along for a few months like I was ok with the idea and drop it on her after it's too late to abort that I had a vasectomy and I know she cheated on me before kicking her pregnant ass to the curb.
Try to make me raise a child that isn't mine bitch? Good fucking luck with your child you slut
vengefully_yours 9y ago
I don't tell them up front, but if one pops up pregnant, it is ended right there.
I am not the daddy.
Best thing I ever did was climbing out of the gene pool.
[deleted] 9y ago
That's not fucked up.
I've been sterile since birth, though I've also hated children since long before I found out. I have the documents stating it (shoot blanks legit).
I never tell any woman I have, unless I choose to put them in ltr status. (hey, I'm selfish, no point in starting a rigged game then complaining when they find out).
Now I've never had a pregnancy scare, unlike almost every friend I have, so maybe that had to do with girls not fucking other guys while with me, doubtful, but not disbelieveable. (sounds like bull however in my history girls do not cheat on me, but there are a massive number of logistical reasons why they don't. The primary being eyes everywhere and having the upper hand legally, almost without question) Regardless, don't tell them shit until you're saying the I love you.
If you ever get that far.
This is relevant because a vasectomy puts you in the same position, just with chance of reversal. If you're not looking to start a family, she doesn't need to know. The best that can happen is you become informed that your plate is one of the worst liars on the spectrum and you missed it, the worst that can happen is nothing.
[deleted] 9y ago
Fucked up? That's half the fun!
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aphelion3342 9y ago
This is basically like porn, money shot and all.
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
Ironically I ejaculated a boatload of healthy, potent sperm all over my keyboard while reading that story.
LionLaw 9y ago
This story is actually the one that persuaded me to have this plan in case I ever do have a vasectomy and an LTR tries to pull that shit on me.
PMMeYourBootyPics 9y ago
I got excited reading this
[deleted] 9y ago
But is it safe? I mean with the fucked up family court and the feminist laws....can't they pull out some shit that forces you to pay something?
RedBigMan 9y ago
I doubt you could get away with playing house for a few months knowing you've been shooting blanks and not have the courts slap you with the 'daddy' label for chad's bastard child. Remember family court goes based on the best interests of the (at the time unborn) child. If your plate/LTR cant even name the guy she's been dicked by then the court will assign blame to you possibly.
You're better off telling her shortly after she breaks the news to you rather than waiting months.You know like that TRP porn story about the guy who had his girlfriend claim she was preggo and he had a vasectomy before.
[deleted] 9y ago
This is a slippery slope depending where you live. I've checked into it for my state and you basically have to live together at time of birth and I think raise it for a couple years (without contesting).. If you contest at birth then you can be tested and deemed not the father
But all states are different
solbrothers 9y ago
I dont think hed be on the line until after the birth.
RedBigMan 9y ago
You underestimate the lengths that family courts will bend over backwards to accommodate the female imperative
LionLaw 9y ago
I have no legal responsibility towards a woman who I am not married to or common law married to (any woman moving in with me will be signing an air tight common law document with her and my lawyer present outlining the nature of our relationship and which assets belong to whom), she and the courts can try all they want but at the end of the day they can not force me into anything.
Worst case scenario is that I AM forced to be the legal father of some whore and a chad? I hear South East Asia is fun, cheap, and easy to get lost in. Good luck finding me courts ;D
[deleted] 9y ago
Seems silly to opt to move to another country vs just telling her immediately and leaving. I prefer less drama in my life, not more.
NightGod 9y ago
Don't give out shitty info. You're not going to get nailed with child support for a kid that's not biologically yours because you lived with knocked-up baby momma for a few months.
RedBigMan 9y ago
It's not really shitty info. It's more along the lines of covering your ass.
Courts are always looking to set new precedence that prioritize the feminine imperative. If they can extrapolate the fact that the man has been playing as 'daddy' to the fetus they may just extend child support to the man.
There are many jurisdictions where you have to make a claim that you aren't the father very shortly after whatever incident that caused you to doubt the paternity of the child.
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[deleted] 9y ago
I would do the same. Mostly because I would find it funny
NecroticFury 9y ago
no, they need to pay, because so few women pay for doing this. the kid was doomed by the mother to a horrible life, not him. it has nothing at all to do with the child whether he tells her now or later.
LionLaw 9y ago
What would stop her from pulling this shit on the next person?
What if that person were not RP aware and did not have a vasectomy and was tricked into raising another mans child?
The child of a valueless whore has no significance to me, he will be a living testament to her fuck up and not my problem whatsoever. And maybe, just maybe, she will understand that her selfish actions have consequences.
And sorry if I sound "vengeful" or whatever, but tricking a man into raising someone else's child is one of the most fucked up things a woman can do to a man.
Three_Finger_Brown 9y ago
I think a more reasonable approach would be to request a DNA test to determine who the father is. This would do pretty much everything you want, you have your "out" but she still gets caught/called out and hopefully learns a lesson about trying fuck someone over.
After all, 1 in 10,000 vasectomies reverse themselves over time, very small chance but it could still be your kid.
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Three_Finger_Brown 9y ago
What blackmail could she use to avoid a test? Embarrassment is temporary, kids are for life
This would be very easy, after she tells you she is pregnant and its yours, go to your doctor to get a fertility test done. If the test comes back that you are still infertile, take copies of your original and new fertility tests proving you cant be the father. Case closed.
If you somehow are shooting full metal jackets again, you show her the original fertility test only showing you had the procedure and ask for a paternity test of her child, as you "cant" be the father. If it turns out you really are, then tough shit. If not... Case closed
Confronted with the fact you are (or at least used to be) sterile she would break down and admit to the cheating right then if she did cheat and there was any chance the kid isnt yours. Even if she holds face, the test cannot lie. I dont know if she could block a DNA test and trap you with paternity when faced with the (in)fertility tests on your side.
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[deleted] 9y ago
Move to Africa and care for all the innocent children over there.
LionLaw 9y ago
There's no guarantee of a fucked up life for the child, just the guarantee that I will in no way be a part of it
SCROTAL-SACK 9y ago
You could be dying in the middle of the street, and that gash gremlin would look on you as it passes, with no fucks given then go back to nagging its incubator for an xbox. Children aren't like dogs, stop caring about every random kid.
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[deleted] 9y ago
I second this so, so badly.
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
Except we're clearly talking about the scenario where the woman has cheated on /u/LionLaw and is trying to make him spend $100,000s of his hard earned money raising a child which isn't his. So if the child ends up with a shitty life it is entirely the woman's fault, not his.
LionLaw 9y ago
It's not just the money;
The very essence of a mans existence is, biologically speaking, to pass on his genetics in the hopes that his offspring can reach a point of maturity and success in his life to do the same. Repeat cycle, add different challenges and further mutations in the genetic code to help the next generation have just a bit more of an advantage the next cycle around. They say that a woman's primary concern and rationale for hypergamy is their children. What they mean by this is that, like men, women are hardwired genetically to want the absolute best possible outcome for their offspring. This leads to the cuckold/Alpha fucks beta bux scenario where women instinctively fuck for the most desirable PHYSICAL characteristics of our species while trying her best to convince the beta to be a surrogate father to her child as women are weak emotional creatures and in constant need of command and protection to even be slightly contributional towards the success of her offspring.
The true Alpha male will not be content with raising one child from one woman as he internally understands that, in order to most effectively ensure that his genetic code is passed on through the generations, he can and must have sex with as many women as he can. The more children he has, the better chance his DNA has to be successful. So the Alpha make has no good reason to stay around and ensure the rearing of ONE child, and instead opts to inpregnate as many women as he can to increase the chances of his genetic lineage being passed on successfully. While a woman, who can realistically only have a single child at a time, is stuck rearing a child whose biological father is not interested in directly influencing the outcome of their lives. What is a woman to do then, if more and more men are turned off by the idea of committing to single mothers and their baggage of children from a previous Chad?
The answer is cuckoldry.
More and more women are LETTING men raise children that think they're the father because a woman's solipsism doesn't let her consider the man and the reasoning behind his biological desire to pass on his own genetics and not raise another mans child. Because it is almost impossible to trick a woman to raise a child that is not theirs, women don't even consider for a minute how devastated her beta bux would be if he were to know off the bat that his child was not genetically his own.
Think about that real quick; Billions of years of evolution and passing of genetics to create you, and you passing on your genetic lineage like your forefathers and their forefathers before them. Oh wait, your child is not your own. Billions of years of your genetic heritage gone.
THAT is why I would not give the slightest fuck about her or her child if she ever tries to get me to raise a child that isn't mine; she is not only insulting me and my desires for children of my own to raise like the Alpha Bux I hope to become, but she is essentially disregarding my genetic lineage and all of my forefathers before me.
This is the absolute ULTIMATE selfishness that a woman is capable of, and no amount of tears, begging, or threats could ever let me forgive people who are able to completely disregard my biological essence for existing.
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
Quite right. Cuckoldry is the ultimate male humiliation because it entails sexual infidelity, lifelong deception, and it leads man to believe he has accomplished his primary biological drive when in fact he hasn't.
It is among the absolute worst of female behaviour, such that it disgusts rational, RP men when women will justify cuckoldry with offhand hamstring like 'my husband isn't the father but there's no point in telling him, he would just be upset.' It's truly abhorrent yet as you have rightly shown, it is merely a result of in-built female sexual strategy.
[deleted] 9y ago
You are a good man.
Some are not, though.
Personnally, I wouldn't care about this child. Not my problem. I wouldn't care about the girl either. He tried to hurt me. If someone hit me, I hit back.
Your morals tells you it's not right. My opinion about morals is that they are useless and even detrimental to a man. But I respect your choice to have some. So respect some people's choice to not have any moral other than for themselves and the people they love and keep your morals to yourself. You do not hold the truth.
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[deleted] 9y ago
You'll pay for it with your taxes when she goes on all the social programs... we all will.
[deleted] 9y ago
Fuck the children. I'm getting tired of hearing about how I'm supposed to feel bad and donate money to other peoples children or raise them as my own.
"Well, real man", stop bitch, I'd rather act like a teen
SCROTAL-SACK 9y ago
Preach it brother. Why the fuck should I care about some random crotch goblin
alisonstone 9y ago
If people actually care about other people's children, they can save a child's life for like $2. That's about how much it costs to get essential medicine and vaccines to an African kid to help ensure that he/she survives the first few years which is the most dangerous time for them as they lack modern healthcare.
A Starbucks latte or save a pair of kids? Most people will take the latte.
BowlOfCandy 9y ago
That's very selfish toward the child, you'd be a POS to enable the single-parent household environment.
Act immediately, go get a doctors note that you shoot blanks notarized. Begin separating yourself from said woman logistically and financially, have a clear paper trail, and drop the bombshell on her with ample time for her to consider abortion. Just walk away, don't pursue such petty vengeance.
Just because you ain't the daddy doesn't mean that the kid should grow up without one.
Edit: Cmon TRP, either the majority of you are stuck in your anger phase, or you're offended that I offer criticism based on moral judgment. Either way, it's quite immature to pursue such petty vengeance in the manner OP mentioned. Single motherhood is a plague that is destroying America, get over your egos and don't perpetuate the disease.
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
This barely even qualifies as vengeance IMO. All this guy is saying is that the vindictive, manipulative, deceitful woman can deal with the consequences of HER undeniably shitty actions. He's just saying he won't help or offer her an out - and why should he after she attempts to shaft him for literally $100,000s for raising a child which she knows isn't his?
BowlOfCandy 9y ago
The point I'm making is that he's not only taking vengeance on the woman, but also on the child. Yes, she's a vindictive bitch, but the kid didn't have a thing to do with this.
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
And the point I'm making is that he isn't even being vengeful - he's not actively creating a shit scenario for someone else, he's just refusing to help the bitch and saying she can deal with the consequences of her actions herself. I agree the kid will probably lose out but you know who he can blame for that? 100% his cunt mother.
LionLaw 9y ago
If she tried to trick me into raising another mans child, I have zero reason to consider her or her unborn child. It isn't my problem
Three_Finger_Brown 9y ago
My "concern" (I use quotes bc I actually agree with you, but for the sake of arguing...) is that if she was just a slut and slept around, not really trying to trick her BF or whoever into raising a child thats not his, but not telling him there is a chance he isnt the father either, its more of a lie of omission, but still equally fucked up.
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BowlOfCandy 9y ago
The kid didn't do shit to you. That's greater than your ego.
hebola4lyfe 9y ago
lol fuck off . Stop fronting like you give a shit about some stranger's kid .
LionLaw 9y ago
Again, I really don't care.
Enjoy the decline and do whatever the fuck you want
cariboo_j 9y ago
Entertaining revenge fantasies is a sign you are still stuck in the anger phase, my friend.
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[deleted] 9y ago
I like revenge.
Revenge is and has always been a part of life. If I hit you, do you hit me back or are you Gandhi?
So why do you say revenge is not okay towards a female?
BECAUSE YOU STILL ARE A PLUGGED IN BETA
OrpheusV 9y ago
If someone hits me, I'm going to retaliate, and excessively. You missed the point.
You're assuming that I'm against being a vengeful cunt because they're a female. I'd rather they have the chance to abort it because it indirectly fucks up my finances down the line if they don't. Single mother means more than likely taxes go up to accomodate more dead weight in society and probably needing food stamps, meaning we get taxed more. I've done the whole revenge thing, it's more headache than I found it to be worth. And I have better things to do with my time, like training for a marathon or improving the tools of my trade.
There is a certain long-term financial motivation in not being petty. Sure, she cheated, but cheaters gonna cheat, and I'd rather mitigate the damage than get mad about it. What does getting mad and petty do in this case, stroke your ego?
Don't waste my time with false equivalencies.
LionLaw 9y ago
She made her decision to cheat, she deserve every bit of karma that comes her way. Sure It may be unfair to the child, but I cannot stress how much I just don't care. It isn't my problem whatsoever.
The courts can in no way legally bind me to support the child in any way, there is absolutely nothing they can do a I will never marry and have long ago planned common law procedures if an LTR were to ever move in with me. The kid will be stuck with a wussy ass father regardless as I have no intention of being a part of his life, and if by some freak occurrence I DO get stuck with parental responsibility I will leave the country and never return. It's not entirely about vengeance, it's about sending a message; Don't try to trick a man into raising someone else's child. She made her choice and I have every right to make mine. Her and her unborn child are no concern of mine
[deleted] 9y ago
Exactly. Chicks knows about vasectomy. She made her choice fully knowing what could happen even if it may have seemed unlikely to her. She made a choice, now she must face the consequences.
Why should any man care about another man's child? Back in the days men killed children from other tribes because they knew they would grow up and fight them.
Caring about children is a feminine instinct and a man caring about other man's children is fucked up.
[deleted] 9y ago
You guys are getting strung up about hypothetical situations. There is more in life to worry about.
LionLaw 9y ago
Hardly hypothetical https://archive.is/Rzyw7
[deleted] 9y ago
Hypothetical means things that haven't happened yet, not things that can't ever happen.
aphelion3342 9y ago
They don't inject your testes. Just your tubes that connect your balls, and it's not terribly painful.
Also, erectile dysfunction after a vasectomy is absurdly rare and completely out of the scope of the surgery.
Source: got a vasectomy at age 27
RedPill808 9y ago
Been there, done that, have the T-shirt. Some info & advice:
The doc is going to try to talk you out of it, the younger you are, the more reluctant he will be to proceed.
Reversal isn't necessary and you don't have to bank sperm - there is a third option called MESA (microscopic epidydimal sperm aspiration). Basically, they suck sperm directly from the testicular area.
Vasectomy is NOT 100% foolproof birth control. Vasectomies can & do fail. The rates are not well researched in the U.S. (Urologists don't want to record/report their failure rates). Research from Russia & China demonstrates a failure (recanalization) rate as high as 10% at 3 years post-vasectomy, regardless of method.
Other fun facts from the medical literature: 3 cases of men with DNA linked children (definite fathers) post-vasectomy, despite repeatedly demonstrated azospemia (no sperm present in ejaculate specimens). It only takes 1!
Don't let this dissuade you. The answer/advice I'd offer to every man getting a vasectomy: Annual Follow Up. After being declared sterile, go in once a year for a semen analysis. If you catch recanalization (failure) early, when your sperm count is 1 million vs 40 million, your much more likely to avoid unintended parenting.
Risks/Side affects: You can develop a hydrocele/spermatocele (fluid/sperm filled cyst on the testicle) that is painful and requires surgery to correct. You can also develop adhesions (testicles sticking to the scrotal wall). This happened to me. Basically my nuts don't swing/hang freely anymore. This results in me banging them painfully during vigorus intercourse. Sucks sometimes, but not worth further surgery IMO.
I would recommend it, but do your homework.
SirPlump 9y ago
Excuse my tinfoil hat for a second, but regarding the 3 cases of definite DNA matches, I would think that the mother had something to do with it. Maybe acquired a viable sample (if the men used cryo to preserve). Are there more details about the cases?
RedPill808 9y ago
Read 'em and weep...analysis was by blood sample.
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1516-31802007000200011
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/7912302/
[deleted] 9y ago
Got my shit cut 13 years ago after my third kid. If you're single do it, if youre married do it. Thanks to that decision I can see the finish line from here. I'm 35 and my youngest is 13. I'm lifting and raising my SMV. Options are opening like dark skies parting for the suns rays. Do it.
[deleted] 9y ago
You regret having children?
[deleted] 9y ago
No I regret having kids before I knew what bring a man was. Then again if most guys knew what they were really up against in this post modern death spiraling culture, many would choose not to have kids.
orangeisgood 9y ago
Had one about 9 weeks ago. Still having residual aching. Also aches more after sex on one side. It's not debilitating pain but I have to stay on Advil all day to keep it under control and still have to use compression shorts or jock straps. It is gradually improving but if it doesn't go away I'll probably get a reversal. The urologist said some men take up to 12 weeks to heal due to the level of trauma associated with the surgery. It definitely hasn't been the walk in the park that others have experienced.
BeautyQuark 9y ago
I had similar issues with ache, because of a physical job. Make sure you are getting rest. Overtime it got better and now 8 years later it bothers me only 1 or 2 times a year. My suggestion is give it a year or two before making the choice to reverse.
orangeisgood 9y ago
Thanks. I'm definitely not getting the rest I should - averaging about 5 to 6 hours a night. I plan to give it another 3 or 4 months before making any decisions.
WolfenSatyr 9y ago
There are no cons. I have yet to encounter a downside. Plates drop subtle and overt hints about how my children (with them) would smart and beautiful and blah blah blah. I smile and fake a whistful sigh about not meeting them sooner but we can keep pretending to make children.
[deleted] 9y ago
I've heard if they botch it, it can be very painful.. That would be a pretty big con
WolfenSatyr 9y ago
Not that painful. I went hardware shopping right after and installed two light fixtures that afternoon.
And botch how? Small cut, clamp clamp cut, clamp clamp cut, stitch stitch stitch, have a good day sir. If a doctor fucked it up then you chose poorly.
[deleted] 9y ago
That's the big thing. Finding a good doctor. I wouldn't care if it costs a free hundred more. Hell, my insurance will pay for it anyway
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
You'd be surprised at how easy such things are to botch. See my other comment and its thread.
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
Some questions if you wouldn't mind. When did you get your vasectomy? Was it just a random decision? Or was it motivated by something?
I am only 20 so I might not get it done for a few years.
1independentmale 9y ago
I'll chime in just to give you another data point. Got mine done in my late twenties, after my second child was born. I'd been considering it for years, my wife at the time refused any sort of birth control so family planning was 100% on me. She lost her shit when I did it, claimed I was robbing her of her future children even though I was very up front before we ever started dating that I only wanted ONE kid. She agreed to marry me anyway and I gave her twice the number of children I promised, so her crocodile tears didn't sway me.
I had some pain for a week, nothing major. Procedure itself was no big deal. Needle in the scrotum didn't even hurt, they numb that shit up quick.
The ability to fuck whenever I feel like it is awesome. No condoms, no worries. I don't spin plates, I prefer monogamous LTRs to keep the STD risk low (I've never caught anything, I'm picky who I fuck). I'm glad I did it and would do it again. No regrets.
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NightGod 9y ago
I got mine for my 23rd birthday, about two months after the birth of my second child. Best money I've ever spent. Condom-free sex is so much less stressful when you know without a doubt that she can't get pregnant. Doctor was a bit cagey about giving it to a guy that young until I mentioned the two kids.
OTOH, I have a 35 year old female friend who's had trouble finding a OB who will give her a tubal ligation (she's only been asking for 8 years) because they're all sure that someone without kids is going to change their mind.
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Do it yesterday, and I mean fucking yesterday. There are two views from people who don't want kids - those who are undecided and those who know they don't want them. I'm in your boat knowing I don't want any and had the pregnancy scare when I was about your age. Not only did I never want kids, I could never stand them. Save yourself the worry.
I got mine done in my mid 30s and wish I had done it when I was 18. Get the no-scalpel procedure like what was described elsewhere in this thread.
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I had mine 8 years ago. At age 22 I pretended for a year that I was sterile just so that I was psychologically ready. At 23 I told the surgeon and PA I was 33 with 3 kids. Paid $850 cash, no questions asked. I never reveal my status because even for women who don't want kids they have fun thinking about what their future children would look like.
Let them have that future child fantasy while you eliminate the possibility of 18 years of child support.
It also keeps women honest because you know they aren't raw dogging it with some other guy. Years down the road they may question your fertility status. By that point you can brush it off as simply having a low sperm count or move on and get a younger version of her and repeat the process.
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
Yeah fortunately I haven't had a pregnancy scare, but I also don't want to wait for it to happen either.
Based on what other people said, it's going to be hard to get it done at my age, but not impossible. Thanks for the advice.
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TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
Yeah sometimes I forget that I'm talking to a lot of older men on here.
It's good to see there are people my age on here that have discovered TRP early.
WolfenSatyr 9y ago
It was in the middle of my beta years, when I had a small surge of alpha surface. I was 34, already had one son that I was cut off from, and a pregnancy scare prompted the decision. I was already considering it, but that sealed the deal.
Be careful of which doctor you see. I've heard some won't even consider it with anyone younger than 35 or has less than two kids.
I would suggest that if you are even remotely entertaining kids later in life, don't do it.
elokr 9y ago
Took me 5 years, 7 doctors, and a trip across state lines to get a doctor to do mine at 27.
OrpheusV 9y ago
Seriously, it's a common point of argument for the childfree subreddit that finding a doctor to do the procedure is difficult at best, impossible at worst depending on the area.
Shit, if someone in the midatlantic area could suggest one for a early-mid 20s man to get it done, that'd be great.
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I can PM you the name of a urologist who might consider it.
[deleted] 9y ago
Why would they...how is that their decision?
99639 9y ago
It has the highest rate of lawsuits for patients who regret it later and sue their doctor for performing it.
I agree it's stupid but that's how it goes. Also some old-school conservative docs don't agree with the principle of sex for purposes other than procreation.
WolfenSatyr 9y ago
Christian "be fruitful and multiply" mentality, not wanting the guilt of "ruining" a future family, or some other bullshit.
Just shop around if you're serious about it. Someone will understand and make it happen.
RedBigMan 9y ago
Yep... while most doctors probably fall under 'beta bux' there are probably some TRP/alpha doctors who will do it if you're serious.
Hell we might even have some doctors on TRP reading this shit for all we know after getting divorce raped once or twice... Plus I've seen dudes in asktrp going into medschool asking about shit.
CrazyLeprechaun 9y ago
A doctor can refuse an elective procedure to anyone pretty much at their own discretion. Sometimes people want elective procedures that might do them more harm than good, and doctors are bound by the Hippocratic Oath not to carry out such procedures. Of course "doing harm" can be fairly subjective, and some doctors consider rendering a young, fertile person infertile doing harm.
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Right because taking all my money and giving it to a woman and putting me in jail to get raped and get HIV is so good for my health.
NecroticFury 9y ago
its good for her pockets though
Three_Finger_Brown 9y ago
How about the fact that at 18 years old the US federal government can legally co-op my "manpower" and draft me into the service for what ever time period they seem fit, send me overseas to kill people I have never even heard of in a place half way around the world.
Or the fact that not a single one of those doctors would bat an eye at a 20 year old who was pregnant. How does the answer to "do you want kids?" depend on your age? Why are you unable to be sure of your own body and life until you are 35 if you dont want kids, but perfectly able to deside to HAVE kids way younger than that? How does this make any sense at all? Yes, they both have the potential to fuck up your life, the difference is that the 20 year old who regrets having a baby is stuck with the kid forever, literally until one of them dies. The person who got a vasectomy at 20 may regret not having kids, but even after 10 years, vasectomy reversals are about 50%, and there are always sperm banks, etc.
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TekkomanKingz 9y ago
Vasectomy is best for Men who already have children. You don't want to be 50 years old and having "oops" babies with your 20 year old fling.
bama79rolltide 9y ago
36 years old, no kids, never divorce raped. I walked into a urologists office last year, they did it, no questions asked.
$700 was a small price to pay instead of the potential child support money.
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that's exactly where i'm at. I walked in, and only had one question posed: "When would you like to make your appointment?"
kanji_sasahara 9y ago
I'm more interested in male birth control. I'm all for taking control back from women, but I feel like vasectomy is an extreme response. Plus you'll still have to wear condoms if you don't want an STI from banging a slut.
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
Unfortunately the determinable fate of male birth control is uncertain at best. Also, I'm worried the early batches could potentially cause 'accidents' and unprecedented side-effects like the female pill.
You'll have to wear condoms with male birth control too, so I don't see how that can be a dissuasive argument.
RedBigMan 9y ago
Yeah most women will think you're wearing rubbers because you're shooting live rounds not because you think she's got something you don't want.
Also I think most of the male birth control being worked on is like RISUG or Vasagel which basically put a plug in the place of a snip snip procedure.
kanji_sasahara 9y ago
It is unfortunate that male birth control isn't a high priority by pharma companies. It is a huge untapped market and if it ever clears FDA approval potential blockbuster status by sheer volume if not by price of treatment.
I was speaking more about condom use generally, vasectomy or otherwise. Can never be too careful.
dr_warlock 9y ago
Medical companies dont want cures (one time deals), they want repeat visits and treatments. The birth control pill has to be taken very often for the whole duration a woman wishes to stay not pregnant.
kanji_sasahara 9y ago
While pharma companies would prefer repeat usage and visits, the only guarantee for consistency is with the chronic conditions. For episodic they build in adherence loss into the pricing. I'm sure they would do the same calculation for male birth control and price accordingly.
networkblub 9y ago
I have a few samples stored with a cryo facility already. Storage is cheap (~$900) for 5 years. That's about one child support payment.
The thing that has kept me from getting the vasectomy done is what you guys are talking about. There are complications with every fucking medical procedure, it's just the case of whether you're one of the lucky statistics or not. They can do open heart surgery and transplants and the patients live for tens of years. Vasectomy is literally just taking a tube and cutting it in half then putting it back in the sack. I do believe your doc has a lot to do with it. In the cases where the doc is "the best" at what he does, he's still human. maybe he did some whiskey the night before, doesn't feel it that specific day, who knows. Humans will always be flawed.
I also put it off because there is a gel that's being developed and won't be available till 2017-2018 after FDE approval etc. it's called Vasalgel. Non surgical and so far the baboon studies are really showing results.
I have friends at work who had vasectomies with no complications, it's just when it happens, you think it will happen to you. Even with surgeries afterwards to correct cysts fro sperm or what not, it's still cheaper than almost $1000 a month in child support.
I should just do it, but my brain thinks "Needle/scalpel to your ballsack? Fuck no". makes me put it off.
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
I love how you quantify money in terms of child support payments. It at least means that if anything puts me off getting a vasectomy at some point, it won't be the pitiful cost.
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I have mine scheduled for next month... and that phrase is the only thing I can think about. ha!
[deleted] 9y ago
I have heard of using papaya seeds for a sort of male bcp.
One dude on here even claimed to have tests done confirming it, but I mean that's second hand Internet info so take your papaya seeds with a grain of salt.
[deleted] 9y ago
MGTOW is anti-faimliy, and anti romantic relationships. And that vegan fuck is insane.
fasterpussycatdie 9y ago
I will be able to make babies until I draw my last breath. I refuse to ruin myself as a man. Make myself half a man. Just because...bitches.
FUCK. THAT.
erplaint 9y ago
Dissenting opinion here so downvote away but I really don't see the point in eliminating yourself from the gene pool in the first place nor the point of virtually castrating yourself. It's like the wet dream of feminists, men castrating themselves out of fear of what women can do to them. FFS being spermjacked is unlikely in the first place and fucking with a rubber on and properly disposing of it will make it downright impossible, there is no point in "getting snipped" (this expression makes me cringe when I think about it). You are downgrading which is the opposite of improvement. As a man you produce sperm, it stars when you hit puberty and ends with the day you die, it's what you do, it's what your body does, no need to kill it out of fear.
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
Exactly. Pregnancy is being weaponized by women. And that scares the shit out of me. The only way to take that away from them is to sterilize myself.
How is removing sperm 'downgrading' in any way? I'm removing a bodily function so that makes me inferior to men who have functioning sperm?
Answer: No, it doesn't.
erplaint 9y ago
Answer: Yes, yes it does. You have turned yourself into a eunuch. Congrats. You cut your own balls off for fear of "evil wymyn stealing muh sperm". Wrap your dick when you fuck, dispose of the rubber properly and stop living in terror.
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
There is a difference between castration and getting some tubes snipped. As far as I am aware men who have been vasectomized still have a dick and balls that function as they were.
Lol 'cut off my own balls'?! Now you are just trolling. At least try and be logical here. Are you legitimately so heavily indoctrinated by socialist conservatism that you cannot see the benefits of removing the possibility of producing children?
Women have and will tamper with condoms, and fuck men behind your back to secure a child. If you don't believe me then you trust women too much.
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NecroticFury 9y ago
right you dont stop producing sperm, you just cant ejaculate it. Why even waste the time with a sperm bank then?
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
Nope, got to get your swimmers out ahead of time.
ChairBorneMGTOW 9y ago
I agree is smarter and less invasive to freeze your own sperm beforehand, you CAN actually extract sperm post-vasectomy.
redpill808 posted earlier about a technique called MESA (microscopic epidydimal sperm aspiration).
elokr 9y ago
Had the no scalpel version done 5 years ago. Whole procedure took less than 30 minutes and I was back at work 48 hours later. 100% covered by my insurance.
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100% the way to go. I filled the Vicodin prescription just in case but didn't take a single one. Extra strength Tylenol the first day with an ice pack. No pain from the second day forward. Was back out running in a week.
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what insurance do you have? pm me
lizzardbwain 9y ago
And if it doesn't work you are f*d. There is no point in snipping your tubes and then repairing them, waste of money and huge risk of body harm and pain. Some people develop permanent pain, infections and similar troubles, not worth it.
In post war, dentists were removing people's teeth to replace them with prostetics, no caries ever again ! Just that they get infection from prostetic, have to buy and clean them and it is disgusting overall.
Your body is perfect as it is, don't ruin it for some wall hitting plate !
Don't sex crazy. Wear a rubber all the time. If you don't catch a kid you may still catch hpv, hiv and other STDs.
Don't get married.
Unless you take in the mental issue of being snipped.
Not a benefit. Non vasectomy doesn't affect testosterone levels either. So, there's that.
Gets rid only a part of the problems unless you love to get STD's
Again, waste of money what nature gave you for free.
Painful for wallet too if something goes wrong.
Count on - chances are non-existent and - very expensive.
What for, to further carter to needs of others ?
Or just don't date plates. You can still get nailed for child support even if it isn't your kid. Vasectomy WILL NOT save your tits.
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
That's your opinion. There is always a chance of things going wrong in procedures like this, but in my opinion it is worth the very small risk.
No-one gets a vasectomy for a plate, they do it for themselves.
Lol enjoy your restricted lifestyle. I won't have that problem. Also, I never said not to wear a condom nor a vasectomy being a viable alternative to condoms.
What does that even mean?
Are you purposely being dull? The reason I mentioned LTR's is because you would (obviously!) both get tested for STI's before going bareback.
The chances of fertilization after a vasovasectomy are not non-existent. Stop exaggerating.
I assume you mean 'cater'. And how does this cater to others? You still haven't explained this argument at all.
Not if you're not a complete dumbass and challenge the accusatory with a paternity test early in the pregnancy.
FredBorden 9y ago
I haven't posted here though I have been lurking here for 2 months but you made me do it
If I had to get that shit to live a happy life that'd be enough reason for me to exile. Or maybe I'd stop dating. But no vasectomy
lizzardbwain 9y ago
YAY:)
Perhaps you have noticed as well that male mutilation is pretty common in america and encouraged by society. (circumcision, vasectomy is encouraged too)
There is much less there about cutting parts of females for supposed health benefits, like her breasts so she doesn't get breast cancer, snipping her tubes so she doesn't get kids etc. And on the other hand, silicone implants are encouraged by society (you go girl), lips, butt, breasts, botox etc. But if a man goes to penis enlargement, he's certainly lacking in that department.
Males are apparently much more disposable and much easier to dispose of.
RedPillionaire 9y ago
Be aware that you can't lift for 2 months after a vasectomy. So, expect to lose some gains.
That was the hardest part of the whole experience for me.
[deleted] 9y ago
This is good information to be sharing. I'm considering getting one over the winter
bsutansalt 9y ago
And if you've got a gf or wife, expect them to break up with you or lose a good deal of attraction. It's like an anti-boob job.
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
Worth it though.
Women are easily replaceable. The $100,000s spent raising some kids you never wanted aren't.
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mrgravitytrain 9y ago
Why is that? I thought it's only for a week until the tubes healed?
RedPillionaire 9y ago
Stitches take a while to heal, too. My urologist told me to take 2 months off, and he was right. Every time I picked up anything that weighed more than 10 pounds, my coin purse felt like it was going to blow a gasket.
Also, I had the "dissolving stitches" that did not fucking dissolve. Ended up snipping them out myself with tiny scissors and tweezers.
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Don't... do that. Ask your GP how long it is expected for the sutures to resorb, and if it is taking significantly longer than that contact him
mrgravitytrain 9y ago
Fuck. I'm not sure I can do that. 2months is way too long.
..but then again can't loose too much gains as opposed to $200k in cash over 18yrs child suppport.
bobbybluepill 9y ago
Or, you could wait until 2018 (hopefully) and get Vasalgel.
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
I'd still wait a couple of years after it is released personally, just in case any new side effects arise. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.
Distake 9y ago
This is what I'm waiting on aswell, all the pros and pretty much no cons. I just hope they'll be finished by then or hopefully sooner.
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You never know. They may make a few mistakes and there might be a few accidents and unsuspected reactions in the beginning ..
Staff_of_Prana 9y ago
Alternatively, you could avoid the urge to sleep with dozens of disgusting, unstable whores. Guys on this subreddit insist on responding to feminism by becoming correspondingly degenerate, which is a shame because you all are correct about a lot of things. Virility and assertive sexuality are masculine virtues, but so are self-control and continence.
blaster_mage 9y ago
I would actually get a vasectomy today as a 26 year old male if it wasn't for vasogel (?) that should be coming out within a few years.
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
Don't get your hopes up dude. No harm in waiting patiently, but the fog hasn't cleared up yet in regard to male contraception.
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NotUpToAnythingGood 9y ago
A vasectomy doesn't damage the testes. It's merely a disconnection of the tubes (vas deferrens) between the penis and the testicles.
Think traffic analogy... The bridge is out. No one can cross.
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A broken bridge is a ruined roadway.
potatoseven 9y ago
There's also this: https://archive.is/DQMvk
changshuaidiao 9y ago
I'm holding out for vasalgel
recon_johnny 9y ago
I'm older and have had it done. One of your pros:
"A vasectomy doesn't affect ejaculation, so you creampie and facialize to your hearts content."
Is compete bullshit. It absolutely effects ejaculation, you can absolutely feel the difference, and it's not the same. It's less. However, after a while (has been over 2 years for me), you're used the lesser feeling.
Additionally, mine was painful. The fuck decided to keep cauterizing, even though I could feel it.
NotUpToAnythingGood 9y ago
Considering that sperm make up about 0.5% of what you ejaculate, ant perceived reduction was more likely in your head.
Also, if you did see a real reduction, did you go get checked for proper glandular function for the prostate and cowper's glands? There's a whole lot more going on in ejaculate than just sperm.
recon_johnny 9y ago
I heard the "make up <listnumber> of..." as well.
But no, it's not in my head. It's a noticeable difference when I nut. Understanding this is anecdotal information, but talked to two B-I-L that had same procedure, they also noticed.
As far as actual stuff that comes out? It's about the same, just nothing chunky. Nah, I just let it go. Am not going to get additional tests, I don't want more kids, this was the best decision for me.
ChairBorneMGTOW 9y ago
Best decision of my life to get a vasectomy. Probably saved me nearly a million dollars over the course of my life. Your freedom is priceless, fatherhood in the modern West is de facto servitude.
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"You take the venom out of a cobra and what do you have? A...a belt."
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
Hey that bite would still sting like a bitch though.
omegareborn 9y ago
I've had a vasectomy done recently. Mine was the scalpel version. It was a relatively painless procedure. Only thing that really hurt was the local anesthetic. Stayed awake the whole time because I didn't have someone else to drive me (no anesthetic = you can drive yourself home). Put ice on it, didn't take any meds as funds were low. Maybe some Tylenol here or there. Walking was nigh impossible for a couple days, so expect to be out of commission for a few days. Soreness stopped around a month after the procedure. $1k to prevent from knocking bitches up for the rest of my life was a good investment, I feel.
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Note that in some cases (2 men out of 200) chronic pain develops in the testicles. I talk about pain that make you curl into foetus position and that does not go away.
Type "vasectomy horror stories" on google if you want to know more.
It's not likely that one will get those but there should be mentionned that there is a risk.
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[deleted] 9y ago
This is the biggest fear keeping me from doing one..
[deleted] 9y ago
Me too.
I even heard of one guy who went to the best surgeon of Canada to get his vasectomy done and it happened to him.
Men have to mutilate themselves and to risk life-long disability to be equal to women in rights.
ilovehelmetsama 9y ago
Same. Terrified of this outcome.
NecroticFury 9y ago
woah woah woah, I can't demand a DNA test before being put on the child support bill? Cant any woman then claim any man is the father, without any actual proof that she's even met him before?
OrpheusV 9y ago
Most courts (keyword most) are sane in the respect that if you contest the birth, there will be a paternity test ordered, and if you're not the father, you don't have to pay. States like Nebraska should be avoided for that reason (they don't give a fuck, they'll throw you under the bus).
BeautyQuark 9y ago
I had one after having my kids. It was done in my doctor's office on a Friday. The procedure was very easy with low pain. I went back to my physical job on Monday and Tuesday the next week. Bad mistake, as I had swelling in one tube the size of a medium marble after those two days. I ended up taking the rest of the next week off, and all was well.
Overall, I am glad I had the operation. I very rarely get a dull ache, which is the equivalent of smashing your balls in between your legs. However, the ability to have sex and not be concerned over another child is priceless.
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My father got a vasectomy after my sister and I were born. His second wife wanted a child (at like 38 ) but it has been so long they couldn't reverse it.
He could have increased his biological winnings (sons) by 100% or more.
Personally I think vasectomy is a bad idea, but I hold to the biological truth that a mans true success is based on how many quality successful offspring he produces.
Also I hated kids too until I met my nephew. There is a world of difference between the abstract of children and a little vehicle carrying around your tribes genes. I mean a nephew is biologically like half a son, right?
[deleted] 9y ago
DUDE. I've never thought to measure success this way, but now it's so obvious. Thanks for this.
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
That's old fashioned of you. There are plenty of men who have 3 kids and are fucking losers in every aspect of the word. I would go as far to say the losers represent the majority of your definition of 'successful' men.
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Yeah I think it stems from my time in an old folks home. There were some pretty successful guys there money/career wise that were elder orphans (no sons/grandsons/great grandsons or even daughters). They were pretty miserable guys. Plus you can't take your stuff with you so you have to have some younger alpha to pass your loot/possessions to.
Also in strictly biological terms an organisms success is quantified by its number of offspring.
Crazyniggercharlie 9y ago
I had my vasectomy performed on July 1st this year for many of the same reasons we here subscribe to, but also because I think abortion is fucked up. And a huge one for me is that the planet is overpopulated and humans are destroying biology with population growth.
It was very simple. First, you call and schedule a consultation with a urologist. He gets a feel for you, palates your tunes to roughly judge any risks. This is your opportunity to question him and make sure he is competent. I found my urologist to be extremely competent and had no worries at all of a botched procedure.
About 2 weeks later I went in for the actual 'surgery'. A male nurse wiped my giblets up and down with iodine and all that.
The doctor came in. We made small talk while we went to work.
First he injected me with a local anaesthetic. The incision is made at the top of the scrotum, just below the point where the skin turns to "shaft". He injected the bottom of my shaft and all around my scrotum with numbing agent.
Then he made a vertical incision about 1cm long. He then fished around with his tools, snipped, sutured each severed end of the tube closed. Then he went to the other side of the bed and repeated for the other van deferens. It didn't really hurt. At some point he 'tugged' a little too hard and made me wince. When I told him, he just hit me with a few more injections of numbing agent.
Though numb, I could still feel most of what he was doing. That was the worst part for me. He was a great urgent and a great guy so he distracted me with small talk. But I was still white knuckle gripping while I felt things moving inside me. It was a very nauseating sensation.
Afterwards he wiped me down, stuffed my boxer briefs with gauze (they don't suture the incision closed-patients find it more irritating with stitches) asked me how I felt and sent me on my way. I drove myself home. I limped but it was more psychological than physiological. (I felt like I SHOULD be limping, ya know?)
I came home and chilled on my couch for 2 days. The dog of course managed to jam his paws into my crotch at every opportunity.
It felt like I had taken a good kick in the balls. The pain subsided commensurately. I couldn't crouch low for a week or so. I avoided the gym and physical exercise to shorten recovery time.
I was having sex with my gf about 4 days after the procedure (not recommended but eh).
I still feel little twinges of pain every now and then but nothing out of the ordinary. The incision is nearly sealed all the way.
10/10 no regrets.
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What would you recommend doing to make sure he is competent?
Crazyniggercharlie 9y ago
Have him to wake you through the procedure before hand. Ask questions about anything. Learn as much as you can on your own. It's not just what he says to answer you, but how. Gauge his confidence in his work.
NotUpToAnythingGood 9y ago
The "no scalpel" version is simpler. You just get a shot with numbing agent. If it feels like a 9 volt battery on your tongue but inside your penis along the pelvis, he got the nerve numbed.
After that, a hooked needle is used to pull the tubes out one at a time to tie/cauterize/cut (mine did all three). All I felt was gentle tugging and a sense of coldness (a small amount of blood ran down the inside of my leg).
Once done, a single dissolvable stitch was put in. The resulting mark is smaller than the head of a sewing needle. I was able to walk fine. Things were sore and uncomfortable for a few days until the swelling and bruising kicked on the Monday I went back to work.
I'm glad I went NSV instead of standard. It actually has a lower chance of complications than the standard way.
My urologist was in Norfolk VA. Now he's in Virginia Beach.
Crazyniggercharlie 9y ago
Sounds nice and simple. The vas deferens feeling like snapped rubber bands was more of an issue than the scalpel incision.
mrgravitytrain 9y ago
You still feel pain evern after 20 days? Shit. My buddy said his pain subsided a couple of days after. he went in Thursday, back at work Monday with no issues.
Fuck man. I'm scared.
thecutlery 9y ago
I got mine done 4/13 of this year. I'm still in pain when I do manual labor and sometimes after sex.
3 and a half months of daily pain. However, I am sterile, so I would still do it again.
mrgravitytrain 9y ago
Fuck man is that normal? Have buddies with no issues whatsoever. What kind if pain is it, did you follow up with the doc?
thecutlery 9y ago
No, its not normal. And yes, I followed up with 2 doctors.
The 2nd one told.me "Post Vasectomy Pain Syndrome." Affects between 1 and 3% of men. They don't know what causes it and they don't know how to fix it. They could reverse the vasectomy and that sometimes works. They could remove the epididymis and that sometimes work. Or they could remove the testicle and that sometimes works. Obviously chasing pain with surgery isnt ideal, as you're likely to only get more pain out of it.
The pain radiates from my left testicle into my groin. Also sometimes comes from the right side, but that is lesser, so I think its always there but the left side overpowers it normally. I ended up in the ER a week after surgery because the swelling got worse and I was in too much pain to even get off the couch.
The surgery is not without risks. Like I said - I would do it again, but I have a feeling that this will impact the rest of my life.
mrgravitytrain 9y ago
Fuck. You in the US? I'm paying for storage already at a cryo facility. Wanted to get snipped until I read stories like these. Sorry man. That sucks.
thecutlery 9y ago
Yep, MN.
I have kids, so that's not a concern, but I just want you young bucks to know nothing is without risk. The vasectomy is the best of a lot of bad options, and for various reasons, my wife needed to get her IUD out, so I would absolutely do it again because condoms suck, but there has been a cost. I also had blood in my semen for awhile, which I wasnt even aware could happen. And lemme tell you something - I dont care how tough you think you are, jizzing crimson ruins your fucking day.
The doctors believe that this will go away with time. But its been a lot of time already, and life is not back to business as usual.
But like I said, I'm zeroed out on 2 tests now, so its still worth some pain for that trade.
Crazyniggercharlie 9y ago
There's some soreness. It interferes with none of my activities. I was ejaculating a mere 3 days after the vasectomy. So the procedure isn't what I'd call debilitating
razorwan 9y ago
If you're willing to let a doctor cut your nuts out of fear of whores then maybe you didn't have a sack to begin with
TheDialecticParadox 9y ago
Okay I see no rational argument, just insinuative trifle.
razorwan 9y ago
You're snipping your nuts because you're too dumb to strap up properly. There's not much of an argument to be had.
erplaint 9y ago
Keep preaching it bro, in spite of the backlash from the self-made eunuchs. Cutting your own balls off due to fear of some bitch fishing your used condom out of the drain and using what's inside to impregnate herself with it is beyond idiotic. Sounds ridiculous just thinking about it. WTF is it with people in this thread? They have bought the "boys should be like girls " BS and now want to kill their own junk? Oh well, in the grand scheme of things I suppose it's a good thing that they take themselves out of the gene pool, paranoia and stupidity is bad for the species.
razorwan 9y ago
Yeah I guess it's good that they're not in the gene pool. I just find it laughable that they go through hoops to avoid not submitting to the will of whores, but then they're totally OK with fear-mongering themselves into snipping their nuts. RPers aren't the smartest of people, even if their philosophy on some aspects of life is good.