Summary: Women don't know what they're attracted to. Girl on OKC sub has fallen head over heels for a "perfect" guy. Then she discovers he avidly follows RedPill advice, and she's confused because she had always told herself that she was more attracted to betas. Turns out the truth is harsher.
This is a particularly noteworthy example because it plays against all the stereotypes that feminists try to pigeon-hole us with. That we're all sociopathic frat boys. That we beat and rape women. That we don't know how to treat people well.
The truth is, RedPill is not just about getting big muscles and ramming some chick up the cervix. It's about understanding the nature of the world - and that nature contains both alpha and beta traits that you must use in balance if you want a long-term relationship. You can't just go complete caveman and expect a girl to stick around forever. You gotta feed her a little bit of sugar, make her feel protected and safe (which women are programmed to look for in an LTR).
Case in point:
I've been seeing this guy since mid September, and daily since early October. He treats me really well, he's courteous, and he moves fast to fix anything that bothers me. A while ago I told him we were falling into a rut, and the next day he took me on an elaborate, amazing date night.
So two days ago, I was setting up his laptop for Netflix and noticed he had "the red piller's guide to online dating" bookmarked. I won't link in case it generates a notice/brigading, but it's the first hit on google.
I confronted him, and he said the sub said messed up things about women but had good tips on confidence and knowing your worth and "being manly". Which, I guess, aren't bad things, and that particular guide (if you search it up) isn't far from the advice given out on this sub (with added douchiness).
But the fact he's getting those tips from trp still bothers me. It's making me view things he's said in different lights, like scoffing when I said I liked dorky guys more than confident ones or awkward teases that might have been negs. Once he said, "this is going to sound really lame, but you get prettier and prettier every time I see you." I swooned, but he was really embarrassed.
This guy is a smart cookie. He's taking TRP and turning it into a workable frame for him. He's incorporating both alpha and beta traits. And notice the subtle neg at the end. "You get prettier and prettier every time I see you". A beta would have showered a girl with compliments about her looks from day one. But a smart man knows it's okay to tell your LTR that she's a hot piece of ass once in a while, as long as you already have her on the hook. This guy is essentially saying you're pretty hot, and now that you've proven your value to me, I'm willing to compliment you a little more. Makes her feel that she earned his time.
Surprisingly, the comments are level-headed. But OKC subreddit being a hive of bluepilled men and feminists, there's plenty of shit to go around. Here's one for a laugh:
I'm not a woman, but it would probably freak me out. Whether PUAs or bitter PUAs (TRP) I always assume that every single thing they say and do is preplanned, practiced behaviour.
Yeah, because women never preplan and practice their behavior in relationships, huh? It's not like they read magazines to learn how to attract a man... or wear tons of make-up in a deliberate effort to raise their SMV... or talk to their girlfriends about their guy. No sir. Only the evil PUAs do things like that.
TL;DR: First of all, don't fucking tell women that you read TheRedPill. It only leads to a headache. Secondly, women will constantly try to convince themselves that they actually like feminized, beta males (even when they're unwittingly dating a RedPiller who is the opposite of that). The cognitive dissonance is delicious.
fdsdfs89 8y ago
In other news, women like results but don't like seeing what it takes to get them.
ArcadesRed 8y ago
A female author once wrote something to the effect of. Woman need to see the result of the pain before they accept it. Men see pain as a path to the result. She wrote it in a condescending way at guys and I never have quite wrapped my head around that.
redpillschool Admin 8y ago
I recently moved into a bigger place with my current LTR, and the month leading up to the move was a lot, a lot, of painstaking home repair and painting (it was a fixer-upper).
She was getting depressed because we were on a tight time-table and therefore didn't have much free time to spend on 'us'. Every day after work or on weekends, we were there painting, fixing, cleaning, building.
Eventually she got so overwhelmed while she was painting that she just lost it. She couldn't imagine the finished product and it was too painful for her. She hated everything about the house because of all this work we were putting into it.
After that I told her to go do something else and that I'd finish the house myself.
Once the house was finished, she loved it. But she had no grasp on the delayed gratification.
I understand the stress, it wasn't an easy time. But for me, I saw the pain as a path to progress. For her she saw the pain as an obstacle.
She couldn't envision the endgame.
hartke20g 8y ago
My LTR is the same way. She doesn't understand the pain/work that must go into something. She's almost done with her schooling and has a lot of upper-level work to do that takes up most of her time. Every weekend she says she'll have to spend at least 2 full days working on projects to finish on time, and every weekend she then says that she deserves a break and procrastinates even though she can't afford to. Sometimes I get through to her and convince her that she can survive another day without seeing me, but most of the time she gets upset at me because I empathic and tell her to take as much time as she needs to get her work done; because of course that means I don't care enough to want to spend time with her. She doesn't see how putting in the hard work now will pay off later. Of course, that's what happens when you grow up with an idiot for a father and a woman with no self-worth for a mother...
It's a long process and a lot of work, but I know it's worth it because she'll make a quality partner, as she already shows many deep-seated good qualities. I'm making a comparison here showing that I'm putting in the work that most women can't handle for a good payoff later
ThrowyMcGruder 8y ago
I'm not agreeing with her, but I can guess where she's coming from.
She's probably saying women are smart enough to only take pain if it's worth it, where men just stupidly take the pain because they're trying to be macho.
ArcadesRed 8y ago
In my life, which is the only one I can truly speak for. Pain has never entered into the decision making process. If something needs to be done. No amount of pain should stop you from doing it. To not do something because it will hurt for a little while is quitting before you start.
EnragedParrot 8y ago
O dear god the "macho" label - just another shaming tactic. Geez lol
thefisherman1961 8y ago
Being called macho by a woman is a shit test, but only if you're ripped. If you're a fat out of shape beta, it's an insult.
ThrowyMcGruder 8y ago
Yup. Being called macho is similar to being called an asshole.
It's not a bad thing.
moodyprism 8y ago
Everyone loves people with power but no ones likes how many immoral things he had to do to get there.
Luce_Bree 8y ago
lol my woman knows I read it.
A couple weeks ago we had my buddy and his girlfriend over for dinner. Lo and behold, this topic, this very sub, came up somehow.
In the course of our conversation she tried to slander TRP posters as misogynists and sociopaths (and be real, some of the shit you guys post make you seem like sociopaths, LOL). But I was able to drop some knowledge about this sub, and she conceded most of the points that I brought up.
I basically explained that a lot of the media coverage about Red Pillers is completely skewed and it isn't nuanced, and countered her claims of misogyny by explaining that, yes, some men here ARE angry, but a lot of the guys here found this place because they did all the shit that women claim they want men to do, and got burned for doing it.
My woman said nothing the entire time.
And she got a ferocious deep-dicking that same night.
Vigilo_Infinite 8y ago
I've discovered that a lot of the hate, bitterness and anger I see on here is mostly projected. They don't hate women, they hate themselves and are pissed that they've been lied to and that the world is unfair.
Most people (esp the woman) who stumble across the sub don't have any context to be able to draw this truth as a conclusion.
LolBrah123 8y ago
Genuinely surprised that women are aware of this sub. I always thought it's just another part of the mostly dorky Internet culture. Heck, I've stumbled on here thanks to a reference on an obscure forum.
Must be a US thing.
nantucketghost 8y ago
My wife knows also. I don't hide it (been this way long before this sub came along). She loves knowing that I can go get any girl I want. I have the body, the confidence, the intelligence, money, and I'm going places.
So out of all the women, I chose her. See that? She didn't choose me, I chose her.
And with that, it makes her feel more important than the other girls out there because she beat them out. My woman has the prize the other girls don't in her mind. It's a win for her and she keeps giving me what I want so she keeps her place by my side, and that's a win for me.
NiceKicksGabe 8y ago
And this is how it should be.
TRPhd 8y ago
In addition to dread game, reminding women that they have a better guy than their girlfriends is always a good idea. (Edit: subtlely)
mryddlin 8y ago
You gave her a massive social boost, she got to sit back and watch her man slay the other girls social value. Dollars to donuts you could hook up the other girl now too.
I'll bet money that her boyfriend got laid that night because she was thinking of you.
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mrrooftops 8y ago
Rather that than BP dick in a donut.
squidracer 8y ago
My girl knows too. She doesn't give a shit
[deleted] 8y ago
I straight up tell girls that I'm a beta piller and I hate TRP. hahaha
AtlRP 8y ago
Faux-White Knight gaslighting. I love it.
LittleRedBirdie 8y ago
I encountered a guy like this once, but I eventually realized his behavior and my responses to it. That's how I swallowed TRP.
Funny thing is that he's now a post-wall Beta Bux to some feminist. At least she's a young attractive one.
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good to know that girls actually do like TRP. the girls in my life tend to like who I am and how I act. the only girls who dont' like me, honestly, I think, are the ones who are lying to themselves about themselves.
LittleRedBirdie 8y ago
They want to protect themselves from you. They know you'll make them plates if they get close enough to you.
ChadThundercockII 8y ago
People don't talk much shit outside of the Internet.
LifeyForce 8y ago
Not to people's faces, anyway.
Assault_Rains 8y ago
I always talk without a filter, most people think I am an asshole because I never shut up. I am the one talking, I can interrupt you when I please, my words are more important than yours.
Unless someone is obviously more alpha than you, know your limits but keep pushing them.
americanmook 8y ago
I do too. The problem is that I don't know when to stop, so it leads to a lonely existence.
ohkcthrow 8y ago
Hello, poster here! I'm sure I'll be downvoted immediately, but here's the kicker:
That's true of every person in the world. That ratio is different in every person in the world.
TRP aims to change that ratio toward the alpha. I happen to really like the ratio as it is in my boyfriend.
I like that he managed to match with me and ask me out. I like that he cries at Inside Out (in front of me, by the way). I like that he's hardworking at school. I would hate it if he was a gym rat.
I don't like the idea that he might want to change this ratio. If TRP got him to where he is, that's great! I don't want him to continue down the rabbit hole.
As for that "showering me with compliments" thing since day one - that specific example happened pretty early on. I've received lots of compliments from him since then; I mentioned that specific example because of the intense sincerity.
So if you want to call every person in the world a red piller because they have "both beta and alpha traits" - then yeah, I'm attracted to red pillers. No one else exists.
Edit: also, where did I mention falling "head over heels" for a "perfect, amazing" guy? You've even used quotes when they're nowhere in the post, or even in the thread! I used "amazing" to describe a single date night. He might be great so far, but I doubt he's perfect and it's only been a couple months.
I know this sub claims women change what they say, but it would help if posters here didn't make things up.
Stythe 8y ago
Why does every woman describe asking a guy about something as "confronting him"? Wtfs up wit dat?
"My boyfriend was flirting with a girl, so I confronted him about it" "My bf was playing video games, so I confronted him about it" "My man was wearing jeans and I hate jeans, so I confronted him about it" "My boyfriend was born with a pebis, so I confronted him about it"
Seriously, does anyone else if d that phrase really combative? Next time I hear a woman use it In gonna confront her about it.
NiceKicksGabe 8y ago
A confrontation can possibly lead to an argument, and you know bitches LOVE arguments.
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PirateBatman 8y ago
Bahaha, I had been thinking the same thing. Women and men have entirely different definitions of confrontation.
ohkcthrow 8y ago
I used it as a synonym for "ask". I agree the connotation might have made it poor word choice.
Stythe 8y ago
I knew what you meant. But questioning something and confronting something is very different. If this was the first time I'd heard it I wouldn't have pointed it out, but its become noticable to me, which is something I don't like. Words are important. People don't realize the unintentional outcomes poor phrasing can have. People should be more aware of what they say.
ohkcthrow 8y ago
I agree with that! Had I known it would be reposted for analysis on another sub, I would have chosen my words more carefully.
EnragedParrot 8y ago
BS.
You know, and have known since you learned the word, what "confront" means. In NO definition does it mean "ask" by denotation. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/confront)
Talk about hamstering...
ohkcthrow 8y ago
All but the first definition fit what I did: turn around to face him, and ask why he had a page bookmarked.
As for hamstering, the entire trp post analyzing my post was hamstering. "Here's a guy who reads the red pill! But he does lots of beta behavior too. So now the ideal red piller is not an alpha male, but both an alpha and a beta!"
EnragedParrot 8y ago
Yes, and confrontation at no point in American Society is considered to simply "ask".
You knew what that word meant, you chose it, stop hamstering about it.
ohkcthrow 8y ago
Hey, you linked to those definitions. You stop hamstering! ;)
EnragedParrot 8y ago
I'm not.
NO ONE in contemporary American society would define "confront" as simply to "ask".
YOU are the one deciding to use an uncommon meaning when you know darn well that "confront" means to CONFRONT.
Sheesh.
DONT_reply_with_THIS 8y ago
Poor girl doesn't realize she's a plate yet.
Its been almost 3 months and they haven't "DTR" - determined the relationship.
ohkcthrow 8y ago
As mentioned in the post, we're exclusive and see each other every day. His housemates refer to me as his girlfriend - we just don't because it's only been 2.5 months.
DarkSayed 8y ago
the fuck kind of logic is that? How the fuck did you manage to convince yourself of this nonsense?
ok, I'm gonna give you a dose of Red Pill: stop bullshitting yourself. You are his plate regardless of what you call it. If you are not comfortable being a plate (which is what you are), then confront him about it and tell him you want commitment and exclusivity and for him to acknowledge you as his gf. Or carry on being a plate ("DTR", whatever you want to call it). Either way, stop bullshitting yourself.
DONT_reply_with_THIS 8y ago
You shouldn't goto people on OKcupids forum for advice on having a relationship for the same reason you don't goto fat people for advice on how to lose weight. Accept your view of TRP is misguided and recognize if your man is getting something positive out of it you should be supportive.
Or dump him and find yourself a nice beta that will cry with you when you're on your period and feeling emotional.
ohkcthrow 8y ago
Sorry, I shouldn't go to OKC because they are biased, but I definitely should go to TRP because they won't be biased?
I did say that if TRP got him to where he is, that's great. If TRP got him to set up a great profile and ask me out, that's awesome.
But I can't say that "he made a great profile!" is high up on the things I like about him. After a few dates, his personality (which does include crying at Pixar movies!) hooked me and I don't want that to change.
DONT_reply_with_THIS 8y ago
I never said goto TRP for advice either, just don't goto OKC, or anywhere on reddit actually.
Make a decision for yourself without the input of strangers and decide what you want. At the end of the day you'll be the one living with the decision, I understand its hard since women generally operate on groupthink mentality.
Nothing wrong with getting a little teary eyed after watching a good movie, hell, I got a bit more than teary eyed after watching American Sniper and Interstellar, I was talking about crying like a bitch.
ohkcthrow 8y ago
But then, what's the point of this subreddit and asktrp? Isn't it entirely men seeking the input of strangers on their lives?
I know I have to make the ultimate decision, but it's nice getting feedback from others in case you're too wrapped up to look at things objectively. We do agree that there's nothing wrong at getting teary at a good movie!
DONT_reply_with_THIS 8y ago
asktrp is for newer guys that haven't reached the acceptance stage of TRP. This subreddit is for discussing ideas. I come here for ideas, not advice.
nantucketghost 8y ago
i think the main misconception is that redpill is a simple pickup artist how-to.
I mean, it could be. It works. So it's obviously what women want since it works right? But that aside, redpill is all about being a better you. Being a better man first.
If you don't be a better man first, you'll never get the girl.
The women just hate it because we're a better man and their pussy has no power over us. If they try, we know we can kick them to the curb and another woman will be happy to take their place
That's where the hate comes from.
Snivellious 8y ago
The thing about "preplanned behavior" is particularly amusing in light of what TRP actually encourages.
Every time I see someone asking for a plan to deal with Situation X, a mod or endorsed contributor shows up and says "If you plan your shit, it'll be awkward and ineffective. Only real confidence and a clear understanding of the situation can give you an alpha response."
TRP definitely outlines shit, but the lesson, stated over and over and over again, is that you need to genuinely be confident and aware and thoughtful. It's 'learned' behavior, but it's self-aware and determined by the situation, not by some guidebook.
Derbi50 8y ago
Anyone else notice she described dude as, "Almost boyfriend"?
She doesn't realize she is a plate. Thats adorable.
Mattpilf 8y ago
They've only been " dating " for two months and already had a 'rut' that's fixed by an elaborate date.... (I'm guessing this is like a month into a relationship) If she were just a plate she would have been left a long time ago.
IVIaskerade 8y ago
He seems to be putting in a little too much effort for her to be "just" a plate (an elaborate date night when she says she's feeling bored, for example), but it's close.
cocaine_face 8y ago
You can have more and less serious plates I'd say.
If you've been fucking a girl for a few months consistently, you're going to have to occasionally toss in beta traits to keep her around, unless you're absolutely so high value (rich, celebrity, or extremely ripped) that she knows she has no prospects even anywhere near your level.
It fuels her, "I can lock him down!" dream. It'll also fuel shit tests and her trying to lock you down further, but I think of those as sorta how the sausage is made with a longer term plate. Keep a strong frame, and be very clear with your boundaries while occasionally rewarding her (when she does something right).
Derbi50 8y ago
Yeah thats kind of where I am at with this girl right now. She is like my 3-5 day a week "almost girlfriend" and on the other nights I either try and call up this twice a month girl or game new girls.
Plate is a pretty vague description of a girl but to me its about level of investment. Like some dudes say if you only have one she isn't a plate, she is your girlfriend. For me there are a lot of times I only have one plate, but she isn't my girlfriend.
strps 8y ago
Some are side plates, some are main dishes.
Overkillengine 8y ago
Or at the very least, not willing to admit it.
Dat ego defense.
RedLavaLamp 8y ago
I dunno. From the first passage he seems pretty beta. Always fixes her problems, seems attentive, when she complains he takes her on an elaborate date. This dude has a ways to go. This chick will dump him and then he'll really start to get RP.
TRPhd 8y ago
She got a lot of leverage by snooping the RP out. She's not going to leave soon, but she will eventually, because she damaged his frame and made him apologize/explain.
If I were him, I'd start lining up other options, and soft-next.
mrrooftops 8y ago
She sounds like she's hamstering. If he was truly beta she wouldn't really notice the fixing and attentiveness.
Anderfail 8y ago
Nah, for an LTR you have to mix it up. If you know what you are doing and you have a good woman, she will actually be completely honest with you. Sometimes listening is fine and you can easily turn it around. For instance, she may have told him wanted more attention, but you can easily make the response RP by planning everything, telling her what to wear, and keeping her guessing. Women eat that shit up. This way you reframe it in your perspective versus allowing her to dictate.
RPmatrix 8y ago
Spot on mate, sadly a lot of guys here have yet to achieve this level or 'rapport' with a woman, but at least they're here and able to read comments like yours.
esp
IME when you can achieve this state and hold her in your frame, your woman can be and amazing source of satisfaction and support.
I've been blown away several times by what my girl/s have done for me without me asking ... strong supportive shit I wouldn't even expect my good male friends to do!. But I'm worth it and they know that!
If you're going to be a captain, you have to take them on an interesting journey or they'll get bored and leave, but, IME if they're enjoying the trip they'll go out of their way to stay onboard
Stormhammer 8y ago
I'm confused to the "almost boyfriend" and then the " we were in a rut" conversation.
Usually that's reserved for a serious relationship type of deal, typically within the confines of monogamy as well.
AtlRP 8y ago
Her version of "we were in a rut" could mean he didn't respond to a text fast enough. Women make hamster mountains out of mole hills.
Stormhammer 8y ago
Between this and the 21 year old girl thread, I'm beginning to realize I've been fortunate with the women I choose to pursue.
ohkcthrow 8y ago
We've been seeing each other everyday for about two months (as mentioned in the post). It'd be pretty hard for him to have another plate when I come over all the time and hang out with his housemates.
We're exclusive, just not using the label because it's been... 2.5 months.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
Well hello there. Nice of you to join us for polite discussion. You may bristle at what we say, and how we say it, but it's the reality of the situation. You have an in to the male mind, brutal honesty is practiced here, and being a plate isn't a horrible thing.
You can earn better standing and improve beyond plate rather easily. By being aware of things you're hard wired to do, and not doing them through conscious effort, you earn trust and appreciation. The girls I'm seeing all bristle at the prose used here, but they absolutely love the kind of man I am. They know where they stand with me, and you can know where you stand with your guy, and improve upon it at will.
You just might be exclusive, sometimes I am simply because I've ended my other prospects and haven't had our taken the time to replace them. People come into our lives, some stay, some go, that's how it works with everything, no matter what it is it will come to an end. There's occasions where the new beginning is weeks, months or years away, and in the meantime we enjoy who is around right now.
It's entirely up to you if you want to stay or go, nobody is forcing you to date him, but if you want to stay and have an enjoyable relationship with him, the keys to doing exactly that are in this sub. Of course it will require introspection, looking at yourself critically and deciding the best course of action not based on emotional thinking, but you can do it. You only need to be aware of your thinking and nature.
Embrace who you are rather than trying desperately to be something you're not. I did, and I rather enjoy being a manipulative asshole, but I'm not that way to everyone.
ohkcthrow 8y ago
I'm sorry if my replies come off bristle-y, they aren't meant to.
And you're right, I do know where I stand with my guy :)
vengefully_yours 8y ago
You seem a bit defensive, but that's too be expected due to our reputation, but you're barely on the bitch scale in my book. I've seen far worse. Thick skins are required here.
Sounds like you have a good one, do yourself a favor and don't fuck it up. :)
bitches love smilies
Turkerthelurker 8y ago
I don't know if everyone realizes that you are the OP of the okcupid thread...
Is 'exclusive' a label? I always thought it was a bit of a placeholder. Like I don't see you enough or go on actual "dates" to warrant calling you my girlfriend, but we care enough about each other to not be fucking others.
...Which I guess counts as a label.
ohkcthrow 8y ago
I don't know if they do, but the mods said I could create a response post if I want to.
And yeah, we're using "exclusive" as a placeholder. For us there isn't a tangible difference to "exclusively dating" and "boyfriend" (and his housemates do call me his girlfriend), but I feel a non-tangible, emotional step.
Turkerthelurker 8y ago
Makes sense.
I hope you read around a bit, and realize that a lot of the guys here aren't "woman haters," in fact quite the opposite, but there is a vocal minority of guys that have been fucked over.
A lot of people are put off about how we speak, but don't realize that this is how guys speak to each other. There is just so much PC-laden crap in other subreddits that this place is extremely crude in comparison. Which is why I love it.
You wouldn't suspect me as a member in real life, just as you didn't suspect your bf, and as you wouldn't expect any experienced member. Because in real life, it doesn't look a thing like hating women. The caricature of a video-gaming neckbeard is so opposite what is advised here, that it doesn't even make sense.
I suspect this is one of the few subreddits that has a sizable number of "real people." What I mean by that, is the type of people you see day to day in a city. The type of people that enjoy hobbies, and enjoy social interaction. Not to say the average redditor is not a person, but I do imagine they are for more reserved and introverted. Cue the picture of the Baltimore reddit meet-up.
That last paragraph might be terrifying if you really believe TRP are a misogynistic hate group, but I find it a welcome breath of fresh air.
ohkcthrow 8y ago
I do agree that there's rational people on this sub! And some good advice.
I agree. But this sub perpetuates this idealized alpha male who is also a caricature that makes little sense. From reading the responses though, it seems this caricature arose through an overcompensation for the "neckbeard beta".
Turkerthelurker 8y ago
Ah yeah, "Chad Thundercock." That popped up here probably around a year ago. He represents the natural alpha... The guy that embodied the stereotype through adolescence and beyond. The guy that you never find here, by the sheer principal that a natural wouldn't need to find TRP.
Everyone knows a guy like that, so it helps with driving the point home. Some guys use him as, like you said, a caricature to get a point across. Others take it to a weird almost homoerotic level of describing him fucking your gf/ex/plate/whatever.
That's where an ability to filter what you read comes in handy.
waynebradysworld 8y ago
Yo girl, they call me the Chad. Other times they call me tax-10-40-easy, cus I tax my women.. And I can drink 10 40s, easy
vengefully_yours 8y ago
They don't know what they want, they think and say one thing but do another. They say we hate girls because they judge girls actual behavior to be abhorrent, whereas we just accept them how they are and like them anyway.
Planned and practiced behavior. Adorable attempt to distance himself from the jerks like me, how many pussy points will he get for that? His obese girlfriend let's him fuck her occasionally, so he must be doing something right. Everything I do is planned and practiced, some things I've been doing for 40 fucking years, improving how I do then all the time. Nobody naturally knows what girls want, some guys luck into it, but everyone has to learn. I figured out that the stuff in the sidebar worked when I was 16. That was 30 years ago. I learned through trial and error, and I managed to have some quality game going on by the time I was 25.
I can tell you one thing is certain, I wouldn't have been divorced twice and completely fucked over by the state if I'd had trp when I was a teenager. The things I was doing wrong were small, but with a huge impact, and they were all after I was fucking the girl a while. Getting them naked and fucking them was easy, keeping them around was a bit tougher for me, and for years I wanted one I could count on and trust. Now I know better that to believe they will act like I do when I care about someone, they're different in every way so expecting them to be like me isn't reality.
J_Dizzle1000 8y ago
Damn, I can't believe he's been lying to her and tricked her into liking him. Damn misogynysts and TRP. Lolz
FrameWalker 8y ago
Speak for yourself. I'm proud of what I'm becoming.
WAFC 8y ago
I love that all their vitriol eventually reveals what we already know. They want a natural alpha, they don't want to be 'tricked,' by a guy who just learned how to act alpha. That's what 'manipulative' is code for. RP men 'manipulate' women by being what they are attracted to.
And their lack of self-awareness that they are exactly what we say they are is just the cherry on top.
thenarrrowpath 8y ago
But for them,wearing make up and coths that hide the torso is okay.
nalewacz 8y ago
It is exactly as Rollo described. Women want the men which "just get it". And they never want full disclosure.
trpftw 8y ago
It's even more simpler than that. The behaviors advocated by TRP are derived mostly from abundance mentality. What they are really asking for, is a man who naturally, can get a lot of women, who thus naturally develops a low tolerance for everything and doesn't feel the need to do much because he has a natural abundance mentality.
They don't really need just "men who get it." Learning that behavior from TRP is wrong in their eyes. They need men who posses the traits of a man who can get any women.
Women only want what other women want. Social proofing and natural absolute value.
Rather than a man who's learned his way to success, they want a man who naturally has this. This is evolutionary. Good genetics. Good muscles due to genetics. They don't want to be tricked by a guy who worked out, learned strategy, techniques, or educated themselves to perfection.
Hey, men have this evolutionary weakness too. I know some TRPers will refuse to believe me.... but some MEN want a woman to be naturally beautiful, not one who puts on a ton of make-up, works out a lot, or gets plastic surgery. That's "Cheating" in the eyes of some men. Although seemingly, putting on make-up, wearing high-heels, getting plastic surgery seems a bit more acceptable than say TRP or steroids.
But the controversy surrounding any of the above, is derived from this evolutionary requirement that you should naturally be perfect.
So both men and women, want perfection out of purely natural genetics. They don't want anyone to self-improve themselves to perfection. Pretty much contradictory to the enlightenment, the founding fathers of America, and others who have professed self-improvement and education over natural instinct and natural genetic perfection.
What will the world look like once science can modify genetics in the womb? Or even sooner when plastic surgery is risk-free, quick, effortless, and cheap? Or much later, when education and knowledge is transferable instantly?
spicedncoke 8y ago
LOL. The comments in there are so stupid, all these "tricks".
People learn PU and TRP because...it works. Seriously. If it didn't work it would not have lasted for so long and TRP wouldn't have over 100k subscribers. How do you not get that. It's akin to making fun of a fat person on the treadmill, or a tiny guy trying to build muscle. Same idea, difference is, one is physical, the other is mental.
CornyHoosier 8y ago
That's a good point. You gotta fake it till you make it.
foldpak111 8y ago
The shit I live for is when someone gets a lot of haters for making a change, whether a fat dude or skinny dude, and just says fuck it and keeps going then comes out of the fire after a couple of years sculted like a damn Greek statue. My passion for these men is unspeakable.
ErikTheRedPill 8y ago
I've got a friend who went from skinnymode gamer who worked at a desk all day to a Crossfit coach & Krav Maga instructor. Impossibly sculpted. So much respect.
rickyTiqee 8y ago
How do you know who's natural alpha and who's learned to behave like one? To be alpha you don't only must have the strength of character or just be very dominant but also experience and know-how are crucial.
And how you prove, that if someone wasn't alpha from the beginning, then he for sure hasn't got 'alpha blood' and never succeed?
Like they say, "even a diamond gotta be polished first".
RPmatrix 8y ago
by the way they behave when thrown a curveball, they hold frame and don't get shaken as it's natural for them to be in challenging situations. It's not so much what they do but how they do it that demonstrates an alpha attitude.
all behavior is fluid and even the most Alpha of Alpha's can have a bad day/week/month and appear other than Alpha, however, it's the guys who, in the long term, have consistent Alpha traits -- any guy can be the AMOG in a given situation, but only within that criteria, like a guy who's "the boss" at work, but nowhere else!
A true alpha male takes it with him wherever he goes, he owns it as there's no other way he knows how to be! That's what a true 'solid frame' is. Unshakeable and almost unbreakable
Essentially, it's their overall tendencies demonstrate their 'alphaness' over and over in new situations, whereas guys who are 'faking it' will flounder and choke, I call it a "chuck gurgle", when they go "ah, er ahh umm" when put on the spot.
I also think there are a lot more natural Sigmas these days than there used to be, which some people might mistakenly call 'fake alphas' as they don't understand them.
Another example is that a natural Alpha/Sigma male will tend to gravitate towards a challenge rather than away from one ... just watch to see who puts their hand up first or who's already doing it and you'll find your natural Alphas and Sigmas .... find out who's arranging for the most views possible for their 'great adventures' and you're probably onto a fake
rickyTiqee 8y ago
And what about natural alpha who started to flounder, because he encountered problem to which he wasn't prepared?
Is such situation even possible: not so brilliant alpha muscle guy devastated psychologically by some sly mean nerd (not even beta or sigma)?
Alpha means always first, prime. Is it even possible? Such man should not only be physically strong, well trained and groomed, but also well educated, mentally strong and wealthy or at least rich.
So nerd/engineer, successful businessman, martial artist and NLP-guy combined into one body and one mind.
Are there any real life men like that?
RPmatrix 8y ago
That's what I said, "they too can have bad days/weeks/months"
These are not 'permanent' states, they are flexible and overlap to some degree
You're describing a sigma
makethemsayayy 8y ago
Great point. Why would you have such a problem with something being "preplanned"? That doesn't even make sense. When you make changes in your life like "I wanna be nicer to the homeless", that's preplanned? Everything you do is!
They just can't even elaborate why they don't like it. They just understand the general feeling of not liking it. And WE tell them exactly why they don't, lol and they still try to deny it.
MisterMisogyny 8y ago
Not if you're a woman and all that you ever do is react to things based on your emotional response. Emotions are usually not pre-planned.
makethemsayayy 8y ago
Why are you always belittling my comments?!
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ThrowyMcGruder 8y ago
You're beautiful when you cry.
Let's all be inspired.
Davidkpa 8y ago
Your tears make the best lube.
rp_valiant 8y ago
They don't want to see the work, they want the finished product. Knowing that the smooth guy that picked her up had spent hours studying and improving his technique is a real turn-off for girls because it replaces the emotional narrative of "we're soulmates", "we fell in love", "he just gets me" with the cold hard logic of "he did the research to figure out how to act in order to become desirable, and practiced until it became second nature".
Davidkpa 8y ago
Well the other unspoken side of it is, "if he can do this for me, he can do this for someone better than me eventually and upgrade. I could just be a practice run."
screamingATtrees 8y ago
Dread game! "if I got you.. I can get others"
Davidkpa 8y ago
Pretty much. I actually explained it to my wife when we first met and she asked "why me and not so and so?" Her eyes went wide and she didn't know how to react. The one time she threatened to leave me years back I laughed and pointed to the door telling her to go. She froze up and I told her to get moving so I could hop on Craigslist, post a cock pic, and get a new bitch by tomorrow evening.
And thus was the first night she sucked me off three times in a row while I played with her pussy.
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GIGANTIC_NIGGER_DICK 8y ago
Law 30
An_All-Beef_Engineer 8y ago
Same way they want NFL players to be natural: Oh, I never lifted a weight in my life just got up this morning and bench pressed 225 for 31 reps /s
foldpak111 8y ago
Even though NFL players are genetically gifted explosively, they still had to train to unleash the full potential of their explosiveness. Same way you can be naturally big and strong, but you'll never get to a truly alpha level without correcting muscular imbalances to unleash it. Size means dick to women if you throw your back out when she jumps on your back because you sit a lot resulting in tight hip flexors. I wish women would understand that guys who are alpha males work their fucking asses off to get there. Even maintaining the position is a day-to-day struggle.
An_All-Beef_Engineer 8y ago
Nobody cares about hard work buddy. Stinks, doesn't it?
Anderfail 8y ago
It's why professional athletes vehemently deny using gear, they don't want the general public to know what it really takes to get to that level.
An_All-Beef_Engineer 8y ago
Or is it because gear is illegal?
icecow 8y ago
What gear are you talking about?
antariusz 8y ago
You know... Sports gear... Like helmets, and baseball gloves...
You know, the kind of gear that lance Armstrong or Barry bonds used to get famous. Just regular stuff required to be at the best you can be, Stuff like a bicycle and a bat.
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verify_account 8y ago
This shit still puts me in the anger phase. Maybe women would be better at things if they understood the hard work it takes.
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Actually, there's more women in management than men.
RemyPrice 8y ago
I work for a company where ALL of the managers are women.
The CEO is a man. The President is a man. All the managers? Women.
Women are terrible leaders, but great managers.
PEALYO 8y ago
Nah I never put in thousands of hours at the gym baby. When we're together I'll never ignore you to go work out. All this muscle is natural.
It makes me fucking laugh. I think it is more virtuous to overcome problems through hard work, yet they want a man who naturally never had to work for anything.
An_All-Beef_Engineer 8y ago
Law of Power #x - Make it appear effortless.
FreemanPontifex 8y ago
Yeah, because that guy's genetic material is fucking awesome.
strps 8y ago
No, because they don't have to work for feminine virtues and they can't imagine it any other way.
PEALYO 8y ago
Very true. Women subconsciously want a "natural alpha" and don't want to be "tricked." I suppose evolutionarily that's advantageous because if something happens to the father, the kid will tend to naturally grow into it without needing to be coached. Which comes back around to the OP's point in that the woman loved the way the man treated her, UNTIL she found out he wasn't doing it naturally.
foldpak111 8y ago
It's like calling out bud/s students for trying out for the Navy SEALs because only Navy SEALs can be Navy SEALs, or that only Spartans could become Spartans. We are not little independent islands, we are permeable membranes shaped by an association/environment, put through experiences that transform us from jelly into wood and if any woman has a problem with this they can kick rocks. More time for me to make money, exercise, go out with my mates, and play Fallout 4.
tyson2444 8y ago
Fallout 4 almost converted me to MGTOW
PEALYO 8y ago
Yea, women are just solipsism machines. They hate that men would ignore them to play video games, hang out with mates, go lifting, etc. Yet at the same time they're nose deep in their phones playing candy crush or texting meaningless nothings to their "friends." They're going shopping or binging on netflix. When men try to reclaim the fact we are valuable and worthy of time, attention (whether attention on ourselves to improve, or their attention when we're with them), and high value interesting women, they throw a shitfit because we aren't just NOT playing their game, we're ignoring it.
The hilarious thing is that I've had relationships fail because of this principle. I entered into the relationship as a lifter, as a dude with guy friends and social value. Then I let her monopolize my time. I stopped going to the gym, we started eating out a bunch because she wanted to and I got chubby. Guess who stopped wanting sex? At the time I broke up with her because of the decrease in sex drive and I blamed her. Now I blame myself. I let myself go, I let her control me and turn me into something she thought she wanted. But what she thought she wanted and what she actually wanted were two different things.
This is why women castigate the red pill. They talk about men and dating behind our backs all the time. Now that we want to talk about women and dating behind their backs, we're suddenly misogynistic. We're sharing our learned experiences and making generalizations like they have, but when we do it, it's wrong. Hilarious double standards and solipsism.
Hilarious edit: Does anyone remember that app? I think it was called Lulu or something. Where it was women only, and they got to rate men behinds their backs on their attractiveness, niceness, future prospects, etc. And included things like "good kisser," "hung," "nice guy," and other tags? Imagine if men created a similar app. The hamsters would spin at the speed of light.
arrayay 8y ago
LOL. Which step of the Netflix configuration guide involves examining all browser bookmarks?
Remember, if genders reversed, "OMG, how creepy, he is basically spying on you!"
anooblol 8y ago
Normally I'd agree. But let's be nice to her on this one. Bookmarks are directly below the url. If I wanted to hide a website, I wouldn't put it there. He probably didn't care if she saw it.
arrayay 8y ago
While bookmarks can be located there, they don't have to be. She would've find them wherever though because AWALT.
Kalidane 8y ago
I didn't spot that.
So the translated version reads more like:
"I was setting up his laptop for Netflix and spent half an hour checking his browsing history and bookmarks and downloads folder when I noticed..."
dCLIFFb 8y ago
To be fair it could have been on his bookmark bar.
__ROOSTER__ 8y ago
you don't need beta traits in a LTR, you need to be alpha whiteout being an asshole.
one of the biggest misconceptions is the idea that alpha=asshole or caveman or whatever else
alpha = leader
leaders can be dicks when needed but you don't build gangs and tribes that will be loyal very often that way.
its simple: be the captain of your ship. You can have a ship of slaves all the way up to a highly trusted first mate. But you are always in charge.
Questionablechoice 8y ago
I think it's much like the confusion with model where being vulnerable isn't being weak or needy. Much like being the captain doesn't mean you dictate every decision only the important ones and you steer the ship away from trouble.
ThrowyMcGruder 8y ago
I think it's one of the biggest mistakes most women make when it comes to leadership.
A lot of them go into positions of leadership with the main focus of how much they're respected as a leader and basically become a hard-ass dictator picking on the slightest of issues.
Male leaders, in my experience, are much better at returning the respect and just acting like a co-worker until shit needs to be done. Then it's their job to decide what to do and your job to do it.
Afterwards, you just carry on like co-workers.
NiceKicksGabe 8y ago
THIS is exactly why i don't like working under women, and why I tell everyone I know that I don't like working under women.
ThrowyMcGruder 8y ago
I will say that I've worked under a few fantastic female leaders, and one of the worst leaders I've had, in terms of this shit, was actually male.
Saying that, it's just much more prevalent in women.
As a funny aside, I remember the department I used to work in being told that we were getting a new team leader, and when the boss said, "Her name is...", all of the women groaned and rolled their eyes.
They'd talk all day about women being equal, if not better, than men, but an unkown woman in charge instead of an unknown man made them basically say, "Fuck!".
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ohkcthrow 8y ago
I bet you wouldn't mind your girlfriend (or plate, or whatever) making you a sandwich, but you'd probably like it if she cooked you a five star dinner from your favorite cuisine.
If he never goes to the gym in his life, I won't care. If he decided he wanted to start going with me, I'd be thrilled because that's another hobby we'd share. I'd be equally thrilled if he got into photography - I just mentioned the gym because I know TRP encourages it.
EnragedParrot 8y ago
You don't even see the hypocrisy in your original statement - you've focused on something completely separate.
Clue - THIS is the hypocrisy: "maybe TRP can convince him to do that"
While you also deride TRP's as lower life forms.
ohkcthrow 8y ago
Where did I deride TRP as a lower life form? I'm asking honestly.
In my original statement (made on another sub, by the way) I said TRP "had good tips on confidence and knowing your worth and "being manly". Which, I guess, aren't bad things, and that particular guide (if you search it up) isn't far from the advice given out on this sub (with added douchiness)."
I've re-emphasized that point repeatedly. It's TRP-ers who've said "dont waste there valuable time here doing anything here but laughing at her pathetic attempt to change all you good men", which, to me, does sound like deriding as a lower life form. Maybe you've mixed us up?
Edit: I linked it originally, but I guess links aren't allowed on TRP. It's the top comment on my response post.
EnragedParrot 8y ago
You're kidding, right? Your tone, the words you choose, your denigration of your BF for reading this stuff...the derision oozes.
ohkcthrow 8y ago
To be fair, the derision is oozing from your comments to me. I think at least matching the standard of discourse.
EnragedParrot 8y ago
Agreed, my derision IS oozing from my comments to you, but nice attempt to distract the focus from your behaviour.
Again, stereotypical hamstering.
Bartand 8y ago
Its depend of their self-esteem level. But money is mostly what attract them.
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walking_ape 8y ago
I only come to TRP via the Tor browser and never have a bookmark for it. I just type the url every single time.
I suggest you do the same if your are concerned about your privacy. Please note that Reddit knows your IP and can link your accounts together based on the fact that they come from the same IP.
pantsoffire 8y ago
I don't think there is anything wrong with your approach, you've made your own decision. I accept that as opposed to deciding it's right or wrong.
Jaz_the_Nagai 8y ago
Wow buddy, tinfoil wearers think you are wacky.
MuleJuiceMcQuaid 8y ago
Shit son, I don't even use an alternate account for TRP.
Jaz_the_Nagai 8y ago
I mean I get using VPNs for 4chan or Tor for the darker chans and deep. But this is as clear clearnet comes........
zuchit 8y ago
don't we have a rule like "you don't talk about RP" ? I feel like I read it somewhere when joining TRP.
Davidkpa 8y ago
My wife and I discuss Redpill regularly. I also discuss it with our sub. Just a clear way of seeing the world. Assigning values and limits to people and navigating accordingly to achieve success. There are some PUA tendencies in this sub but more and more it's about self-improvement, self-regulation, and achievement. And not limiting yourself to stupid pounded out cunts that anyone can get.
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max_peenor 8y ago
And here you go, ladies and gentlemen--classic BP misogyny.
"–]Lobo_MarinoI downvote success stories -7 points 1 day ago She should be mad at herself for falling for it"
According to them, women are too stupid to make their individual mating choices.
NiceKicksGabe 8y ago
Yeah right. It's never the girl's fault. A football player has 10 kids from 10 different women, and it's still his fault for not being smart enough to wrap it up.
moonlandings 8y ago
Another weekly PSA to not be that guy in those threads. Do not talk about TRP on other subreddits. Most especially dont go running your mouth about how alpha and dominant you are. Everyone is going to perceive you as a pathetic, sad little keyboard warrior and they'd be right. Looking in particular at u/wont_tell_i_refuse in that thread.
wont_tell_i_refuse 8y ago
Who cares? Shitlibs will retain their shitty opinion of me, which I dont care about. If even one beta sees the light and escapes incel hell because of me, I'm happy.
always-be-closing 8y ago
You know, letting a girl from a nice family who you take on dinner dates and who is sweet and LTR material... win the friendly game of badminton you're playing, isn't a terrible idea.
Letting her know you did because you want her to feel good about herself when she's with you so you can do anything from have sex with her to marry her will come off as manipulative even though it's a perfectly normal and completely vanilla thing to do.
This harpy's boyfriend basically just had that happen to him by being careless with an internet bookmark.
EnragedParrot 8y ago
THIS!
I always have a good 50 tabs open in my browser - wife knows to not pry cause she may not like what's there. I will read ANYTHING, and she knows this (from history, to sexuality, to nature, to science, to space, to WHATEVER). Plus, if she notices a tab that "disturbs" her I say "yep, I was curious what it was all about". MY computer, MY browser, MY tabs. I would never admit to using RP, but just reading about it.
libertypole 8y ago
your point is kind of undermined by your bad example. you shouldn't let a woman beat you in a physical activity unless it's obvious to her you're teasing her by letting her win.
Eloni 8y ago
No mercy.
Gimprome 8y ago
I like to goof around at the start and make them think they have a chance for the first 3/4ths of a game, then just dumpster then for the last quarter and let them know what happens when they mess with the warrior.
always-be-closing 8y ago
Thus my great clarifications of the kind of girl you do this for.
They know what the societal ritual is - - and even if they do, talking about courtship etiquette is itself a violation of courtship etiquette.
Again; small corollary (unless of course you're doing it in a teasing way)
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RemyPrice 8y ago
I'm literally the ugliest POS in Manhattan.
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CornyHoosier 8y ago
We really need a 'Fight Club' rule 1 thing here at The Red Pill.
DON'T TALK ABOUT RED PILL
This is a place for men. We give our raw thoughts and emotions and do not sugar coat anything. We don't go on recruiting drives, we simply speak our minds to men who approach us.
IVIaskerade 8y ago
Women hate knowing their man reads TRP because they see it as evidence that he's a beta who's been concealing his nature. They want a guy who's naturally good at it. It's Law 30 (make your accomplishments seem effortless) writ large.
Also, guy was an idiot for having it randomly bookmarked. I keep all of my bookmarks in various sub-folders to keep them organised.
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TRPhd 8y ago
One of the comments:
My post. I'm pretty proud of myself now.
Killigraphy 8y ago
TRP is about taking the pill, which usually means nihilism towards the archaic form of courting some dame by using old-timey protocols. It means not looking like Pizza-the hut, and not sounding like Rick Moranis in Ghost Busters.
It also means accepting a few things; you will be working out, because health is far more important than the dollar menu or a burrito slammer with extra fat back. You will learn how to dress, because while Axl Rose may look like he came out of the Cunt Catalog of 1977, he's a rockstar, and you're not exactly bellowing out Sweet Child o' Mine in D Minor. And lastly, you will be ignoring the dumb rhetoric said dame is trying to spit in your ear, you are no longer the; Standby guy, hold my shit stooly, or the shoulder to cry on. You are a rogue, and should act accordingly.
thenarrrowpath 8y ago
I think its funny how everyone thinks that guys who prescribe to RP/PUA type approaches are some how robots with no emotions or feelings and everything little thing we say is scripted.
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R1fle 8y ago
This was my exact thought too. How dare a beta try and be a better man? You have to be an alpha from birth or you're predestined to always put women first.
It's like you're breaking frame if a girl finds out 'omg, my stud used to not be a stud? ewwww. he used to be rejected by girls at one point. my whole reality is being fucked with. he was suppose to have banged hundreds of hot women since puberty and he chose me because im special.'
ohkcthrow 8y ago
Like I said elsewhere, I like his current ratio of beta-alpha or whatever you want to call it.
I don't want a "natural alpha", I want his current personality and don't want him to change it. Is it possible that I wouldn't have liked him last year? Sure. But I like him now and don't want him to change his "beta" behavior in pursuit of the "alpha".
EnragedParrot 8y ago
How does that even REMOTELY address what R1fle is talking about?
It doesn't.
ohkcthrow 8y ago
I said: "Is it possible that I wouldn't have liked him last year? Sure. But I like him now and don't want him to change his "beta" behavior in pursuit of the "alpha"."
To mean, I'm not "disgusted" by it if learning TRP brought him to the guy he is. I'm concerned that he was brought to where he is for the wrong reasons.
L33TPWNERS 8y ago
Well, the thing I don't get, is even if everything is pre-planned behavior, what's wrong with that? Whats wrong with planning? Is that not a key to having a beneficial life? "Luck favors the prepared" correct? It only makes sense that someone who plans and prepares gets lucky...
RedPope 8y ago
Don't you watch TV? Have you never been to a movie or read a book? Planning takes all the magic out of it! It's more romantic when it just happens!
Total bullshit, of course. Nothing just happens. Every step is considered and planned, at least somewhat. Women are passive, but men have to act. We can't wait for the right moment, we have to make the moment happen. But they need it to to appear effortless.
Young women overwhelmingly believe they are special snowflakes. They don't want to admit they are attracted to exactly the same social and physical traits as every other woman on the planet. They are basic and common, but they desperately want to be unique. It is an attack on their self delusion to reveal how uniform and formulaic their desires really are.
Never admit you planned anything. She just happened to end up in your bed. It was fate, chance, and magic!
pedler 8y ago
How well said. The whole fantasy probably fuels their idea that they prefer beta guys. Because there are women like that......not.
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Baksch 8y ago
It's easier for many people to belittle thruths / declare them as weird rather than embrace them and act accordingly.
pedler 8y ago
People are afraid of failure. People are also afraid of success. The simple fact is the harder you word the more rewarding, rich life experiences you will have. Without planning ad hard work,you'll get thrown around by other peoplewho worked hard and planned how to get in their position. It doesnt always work, and life is unfair sometimes but he sure thing is theres always room for improvement.
yummyluckycharms 8y ago
Notice how she didnt leave him. If being a red piller was such a big hurdle, she would've left and maintained her feminist standards. Oh that's right, when it comes to feminism vs chad - chad always wins
Luckyluke23 8y ago
people for get women LIVE in EMOTION. they LIVE IN THE MOMENT, Because of this, they will flip for from side to side like one of those inflatables at a car dealership.
This is why it's good to be grounded and know YOUR life purpose. the girls is just there on YOUR journey. if she leaves it's no big deal.
anti_erection_man 8y ago
I seriously can't understand why people hate the fucking living shit out of TRP. In today's time everyone is so PC and you can't say anything or hate anything or anybody, except TRP. They are all manipulative psychopaths.
This type of widespread ignorance reminds me why TRP is so good for people. It's like the small light of rationality at the end of the bullshit tunnel.
NiceKicksGabe 8y ago
Individualism bullshit. This "everyone's special" and "be yourself" generation.
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michael_wilkins 8y ago
Ironically this is almost accurate for me personally:
Pre TRP I always got a little bit angry at seeing people living a better lifestyle then I, never hated outside factors, or even myself though.
StraightWhiteMale_ 8y ago
You guys cherry pick so fucking hard. The most upvoted responses to that thread basically tell her to go with his actions and not to be a weirdo who investigates his browsing history. But that doesn't fit your narrative. So you zero in on people who fit the stereotype of the "feminazi" you've generated in your head, post a couple of quotes, and then use that to characterize the entire thread.
That's all this board is. Outrage over imaginary villains.
_eskimo_brothers_ 8y ago
You could not be more wrong, you say we generalize but you just over simplified and made generalizations on this entire sub. If that's all we are, why even post this comment? You could do a little more reading and see you're wrong, but you won't, that would make your statement false.
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It's all a frame game, my friends.
The man in question exhibits value and treats her right, but she is so shook by social proof and her own solipsism that she cannot trust her own impressions and judgment, and needs to turn to the internet for the affirmation of strangers.
You're witnessing the red pill in action. She literally has no idea how to process basic, simple facts about her interest's actions and character based on what she's heard others says about a socially-constructed boogeyman.
Hilarious, but ultimately just sad. They could have had a wonderful relationship.
darkstout 8y ago
Another reason to not talk about TRP and hide all associations with PUA or game. Women will never understand what it's like to be a man. To women they just have to "be themselves," but men must always be building and improving themselves. Everything else is stagnation and death.
Now get off the net and go lift and approach!
GBBL 8y ago
best comment by far "I wouldnt say [trp hates women] i'd say they're scared of them because they dont understand them"
jamaljabrone 8y ago
Fucking lol...this whole philosophy is built around the most genuine understanding of women.
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RP_is_mainstream 8y ago
Love this comment
Funny, all my girls love me to death and text me that they can't wait until the next time they meet me so I can fuck their brains out.
Seriously, if you thought even for longer than half a second, you would realize people don't try to have sex with something they hate.
marplaneit 8y ago
Sincé I went full RP, and cocky. Almost every single lady friend of mine started loving me, (Woman now, either love me to death, or hate me) and most of them try to push themselves as plate, that I deny if they are not hot enough. Everyone say how douche RP attitude is, but I have at least 3-5 girls willing to do a lot of things for me.
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RP_is_mainstream 8y ago
The ego boost is an amazing feeling. All because I actually give a fuck about sex, realize it's a skill and actually read from real sources (e.g. not shit mainstream online publications) on how to be a better lover.
SlappaDaBayssMon 8y ago
It's like they don't even try to understand it. They don't try to look past our crude vernacular to get at the core of what we're saying. They read something, and instead of digesting it and trying to understand what the person is actually saying, they get offended and go right into emotional mode.
I don't know about you guys, but my life has gotten exponentially better since I came here nigh two years ago. I'm healthier, more attractive, stronger, more financially secure, more charismatic, I have no trouble making new friends, the list goes on. All because TRP showed me the truth - that humans are still animals and our society operates more similarly to the animal kingdom thatn most people wish to believe.
We all judge along the social scale in the pits of our reptile brain, we all are drawn to attractive people regardless of your sexuality or the sex of said person. (Read: We afford high value men more respect). Pretending this isn't true only hurts yourself in the long run. Homo sapiens have been on earth about 200,000 years. Assuming each generation is 25 years (which is probably generous), that's 8000 pairs of ancestors for you and me. 16,000 Homo Sapiens came before you. Each of them made babies until here we are with you and I. Out of those 8,000 pairs of loving parents, THREE OR FOUR of them were alive since womens suffrage. That's 7,996 pairs of ancestors doing it the "patriarchal" way. We've evolved this way. This doesn't mean I advocate treating women as 2nd class citizens it means women want a man, not a 21st century digital boy.
Now where is the only place on the internet where other men are reaching out to lost little boys and turning them into men?
Right here.
RXRob 8y ago
When I was a teenager, and no matter how much I begged them to take the time to read the words properly, my parents were always trying to ban me from rap, metal and certificate 18 films. The story never changes, only the names and faces.
IVIaskerade 8y ago
Rap music? They were reading the words. They didn't want your eyes opened.
cocaine_face 8y ago
Nothing has made me appreciate rap as much as TRP has.
Casanova-Quinn 8y ago
They also just don't understand any of it except the profanity. Hip Hop slang is lost on most middle aged, suburban, white parents.
mryddlin 8y ago
My ideal of women being equal partners died here though.
I love them, I have 3 LTRs going and have a bunch of plates (I'm polyamorus background, all open) but it has changed my expectations of their roles within the dynamic.
The reality is the bar has been lowered to where it should have been from the start and the exceptional women inhabe in my life are all that more evident now.
Soooo many basic entitled bitches out there now. Great for a night or two but they are blind to their lack of future.
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we are still experiencing the aftermath of feminism for sure. the girls who grew up in their 20s in 3rd wave feminism are just turning 30 and 40s now. We are the generation of men living in the aftermath.
thank goodness 20 year old women always stay the same age though, and studies show that generation z is looking good.
IVIaskerade 8y ago
We're nowhere near the aftermath of "feminism". Hell, depending on who you ask we might not even be out of the third wave.
What we're seeing is the sexually liberated 2nd wave feminists in their 50s who are just now reaching retirement age and ceding the floor to their more radical students.
The internet (more specifically reddit, and even more specifically the manosphere) is seeing a pushback against feminism and social justice that is far out of proportion with the resistance out in the real world.
The "aftermath" will happen when the pendulum starts to swing back.
I'll drink to that.
TheRiseAndFall 8y ago
Do you really think an 8/10 chick left that comment? No. The people on reddit who bother to post about this crap are either plain girls, ugly chicks, or white knight betas.
I checked in one one of my exes recently on facebook, as I am still good friends with her brother. Turns out that she went from a rather hot looking girl who was pleasant to be with, who was positive and filed with drive to do cool things into a bitter, feminist hag with a beta boyfriend.
No surprise she dropped from a 7/10 when we were still together into a 5/10. Want to bet the two are not unrelated?
BaconEggsAndSleaze 8y ago
I really couldn't agree more.
I can only imagine how these "girls", who support the BP and spend all their time denouncing TRP look.
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lol this is a good point. How many well adjusted, fit, and otherwise normal girls are posting on reddit rofl. IF they are, i'm sure it's mostly confined to subs like pics and funny
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Kalidane 8y ago
Without realising that the answer is "More every day. Tubby"
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i mean, so? of course a lot of hte people that initially come here are in need of help. I don't think anyone here denies this. The point is we support each other on the road to success...it's hardly comparable. It would be comparable if we were talking about a sub that was a help group in some way. But yes, would a lot of natural 'alphas' be here of their own accord? Probably not.
antariusz 8y ago
Progresspics has a similar supportive ideal for both men and women.
Seducibledotcom 8y ago
Female humans will fuck something they hate.
TRPhd 8y ago
I agree with you, they will fuck betas (starfish style) to keep the provision going.
WAFC 8y ago
No, they'll fuck what they like and claim to hate it in order to save face.
AtrialSeptalPrefect 8y ago
Women are certainly capable of loving and hating something at the same time.
RedPope 8y ago
Emotion is emotion is emotion. Stronger the better.
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RemyPrice 8y ago
... said the expert who calls them "female humans".
Seducibledotcom 8y ago
Oh my bad you're right. How sexist and misogynistic of me.
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EvigSoeger 8y ago
He's a smart cookie indeed.
This is just a stray thought: I could be wrong, but what if the solution to AFBB and a healthy, lengthy LTR is being both at the same time?
redadactyl 8y ago
Ah, Alpha Bux, The Male Unicorn.
aa223 8y ago
Sounds as if he is transitioning which is good. Also "Almost boyfriend"?! It sounds like a teenager making this report. Oh well, in any case, the guy is making progress, all he needs to do is apply a little less effort to said girl and make himself more desirable then he will realize the power he holds.
makethemsayayy 8y ago
Women's existence is pure hypocrisy. Even at the base level of them getting mad at lies or condemning bad things, when on a moral level they hold the least of it.
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thefisherman1961 8y ago
No he isn't, he let his girlfriend find out that he's reading TRP. That's Red Pill Sin #1
turn30left 8y ago
Maybe he doesn't care. She's a plate, anyway.
NiceKicksGabe 8y ago
I, personally, wouldn't give a fuck. I read about sex, philosophy, politics, whatever. I'm all about that knowledge. If she doesn't like that, hard next.
EnragedParrot 8y ago
Wait, are you reading my mind? Get outta my head NiceKicks!
0xdada 8y ago
I LOVE how anti-TRP those okc people are. I had no idea. That's amazing. You guys are awesome.
"Listen to the fool's reproach! it is a kingly title!" -- William Blake
0kool74 8y ago
oh sure she'd like dorks........if they have a lot of money. Sorry cupcake.......Can't Buy Me Love was Hollywood fiction!
pirateninj4 8y ago
Redditors are the only people who know what the fuck TRP is.
All other women couldn't give a shit, as long as it's either serving the feels or getting them shinies it's life as normal.
Uptonogood 8y ago
These people are fucking retarded for fucks sake.
Waa waa misogynist manipulators... *cries
foldpak111 8y ago
A good way to get out of this is to say that you heard about this hate group and you were looking at the material to learn their tactics to call them out if you see the guys in public using them. Simple.
Funny how when you don't ever talk about the tactics and just let your actions do all the speaking, people reciprocate. Women will want to fuck you, masculine men will want to team up with you and make shit happen, and beta males will become your 'haters' to let you know that you're making some serious progress. It is, truly funny, how that works. I love having this psychological knowledge about human behavior.
174pounder 8y ago
So I've been here a year or so and I did an experiment recently where I, knowing RP guidelines for dating (and having tons of experience that they work really well), decided to try
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_contradiction
AKA ignore TRP advice.
Basically I had an amazing date (pleasant, fucked in her car) with girl x and I thought, "OK TRP and my experience would have me not text her except for logistics. Let's do the opposite to see how she reacts!"
Over the next few days I texted her first every day and had a cute back and forth. On the surface it was simple and fun, but it was clear that she was sort of... accepting that I was giving her attention for nothing.
Come Tuesday, the day of our planned 2nd date, she cancels because she had an extra long shift. She got upset at me because she wanted sympathy for having to work so hard. She didn't attempt to make it up to me or reschedule the date. This was, in my mind, the clear result of her thinking I'm a thirsty pushover due to my texting habits.
Experiment over, hard next.
The lesson was pretty clear, even small deviations from the optimal methods can cause an otherwise strong initial frame to burn to ashes.
cocaine_face 8y ago
Yep, I did a similar experiment with PUA about a year after discovering it (for context, this was about 3 or 4 years ago). For about 1-2 months, I did exactly the opposite of what I should (according to PUA and TRP).
What did it get me? Absolutely no girls, no sex.
Go back, and within 2 weeks I had fucked three girls.
It was pretty much the last time I ever seriously questioned the literature.
One_friendship_plz 8y ago
It's pretty stupid that other people think we have no validation behind TRP, if TRP didn't work and if there was no evidence to suggesting things were true, then I would discard it.
I do Redpill for RESULTS, and nothing else there's no moral/ethical game going on, if being beta gets me no results then I simply stop.
wehadtosaydickety 8y ago
Perhaps too strong of a conclusion, rather it's usually best to stick with whatever frame landed you the girl if you have no problems. You changed it up and got different results. Some girls do respond much better to a little beta and comfort.
174pounder 8y ago
I agree with you for the most part.
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RPGeller 8y ago
Math background here. Proof by contradiction, and proof by "exhaustion of cases" are 2 key forms of proving a logical statement or theory.
Think of it like trying every single popular RP method in isolation (each method/concept one by one) and comparing it to not applying any RP methods at all, and see which one has better results.
ArcadesRed 8y ago
Proof by Contradiction is super important in the scientific method. You use it to isolate a single variable to test your whole theory.
174pounder 8y ago
For the most part. I set the location and date activity. Low key, unique/interesting, intimate. I led the conversation with a cool list of topics I thought of.
Proof by Contradiction, in this case, was a success. I "proved" RP methods are superior by showing that non-RP methods failed hard.
I didn't test every case because I'd like to get laid again someday. She was an 8/10. Ah well, science.
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TRPhd 8y ago
Hence the quotes he put around "proved".
Redasshole 8y ago
To be fair, statistically speaking, he indeed didn't prove anything.
The thing is, here on TRP we gather experiences from tens of thausands of men all over the world so although HE didn't prove anything, we prove something as a group
174pounder 8y ago
Dude you are wasting your time arguing on the internet.
redpillschool Admin 8y ago
Our daily dose of autism strikes again.
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redpillschool Admin 8y ago
You missed the entire point of his comment if you are pedantically taking exception to a single word. That is autistic.
I need to ask you, what was your purpose coming here today?
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redpillschool Admin 8y ago
Like I said. Autistic.
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dr_warlock 8y ago
There you go.
When you witness debates with people, especially involving the religious and women, they have an underlying motivation that is the foundation of all their feelings and arguments that they dont bring to light. The spoken argument often makes no sense because its just a way to vent their feelings. Only through a lot of back and forth and in a heap of passion, do they reveal the foundation.
Foundations Based on Category
women: usually entitlement (she exists therefor deserving)
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And finally bluepillers like this guy. The hint of this foundation was evidenced by "you didn't prove shit" (especially the unnecessary cursing) in regards to 'proof by contridiction' presented by /u/174pounder. Then he said the blockquote text above "i didn't remember to not correct someone in a pseudoscience subreddit. i apologize" It is here that everything is clear, you understand that the reason he responded had nothing to do with merit inherent in the comment he responded to, and everything to do with not liking the way the content here feeels and how it goes against the idealistic concept of women's love and virtue. Now when you look back at his comment in regards to 'proof by contradiction', it's clear he had a problem with the concept of AWALT.
Conclusion
When you argue with these people, you're not arguing against the words they speak, but against their feelings or the foundation which they neglected to reveal.
In this case, you knew right away, but many people, including myself on occasion, encounter a conflict where there's a misunderstanding based on information that the other person has failed to reveal due to assumptions, intellectual dishonesty, unconscious drive, shyness, or a storm of feelings. It's pointless.
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ban him.
AtlRP 8y ago
Please tell me you banned that troll.
all_the_right_moves 8y ago
And yet he still got laid more than you
Gee-Wilikers 8y ago
If you are still measuring success purely on getting laid I think you're doing it wrong
Kalidane 8y ago
The OKC commenter has it completely backwards - I toss a coin to decide if I'm going to beat or rape today /sarcasm
JHC how do people like this manage to tie their shoe laces? Or is velcro still a thing?
AmericanHistoryAFBB 8y ago
First of all, don't fucking tell women that you read TheRedPill.
Too late...I finally showed my LTR The Red Pill today to get her impression. Also showed her Red Pill Woman, The Blue Pill, and Purple Pill Debate.
She's a unicorn...she agrees with TRP for the most part and finds TBP to be quite a terrible, pathetic, unfunny and unhelpful sub full of strawmen about TRP as a whole.
She doesn't see any of that douche bro abuse bullshit in me that TBP thinks we are. Just a masculine, confident guy who doesn't pedestalize her like her ex's. In fact, she tells me her ex's were the real abusive ones. Betas abuse, not alphas.
Redasshole 8y ago
yeah, see you a few months down the road in asktrp
diomedes777 8y ago
Terrible move, i can almost guarantee her respect for you plummeted and she secretly thinks you are a little pathetic. No matter how much of a front she put on of "agreeing". The mystery is gone and you're no longer natural, she knows your behavior is now derived from an internet forum. She was hoping she snagged a natural alpha and you for whatever reason basically screamed in her face you are anything but that by not only showing her TRP but showing it to her to "get her impression".
Everyone learn from this guy. Don't ever do this. I am willing to say most women will be repulsed to discover you browse this board, because to them it looks like you are simply getting advice from strangers online about how to interact with women
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ThrowyMcGruder 8y ago
It's not even exclusive to women.
Imagine meeting a really cool guy that you start to hang out with and then seeing that his bookshelf is filled with self-help books and books about meeting new friends and how to interact with people.
It takes something away from him.
That mystery is huge with women and you should hold onto it as much as possible.
Remember, women will mock men for going to the gym and "staring at themselves in the mirror" but drool over a jacked guy.
They like to see you have it but they laugh to see you work for it.
NiceKicksGabe 8y ago
God. Women are strange. If my wife came home with a "How To Give Mind/Load-Blowing BJs for Dummies," I'll be one giddy MF.
EnragedParrot 8y ago
That's a PDF - no need for the book form
drummmmergeorge 8y ago
Funny story. I only fate Japanese women and the last woman was leading me on - used me for my money. But yesterday, I asked another one out and she accepted. The key thing here is consistently, and determonation to improve and see the end goal. Learned from my Beta-ness 4 months ago, let's see if I can snatch this one.
EnragedParrot 8y ago
Don't get one-itis over "this one". Don't think "see if I can snag this one"...think "this is who I am, this is where I'm going, this is what I'm doing, she can come along or be NEXTED"
drummmmergeorge 8y ago
Thanks man, I was texting her the other day, I just don't like how she waits 5 hours + to respond in text, but in person she is diligent and energetic. I have a coffee date with her on Tuesday, and msged her about the midterm grade. She didn't too hot, but I did good. Asked for a final studying session, to progress this.
EnragedParrot 8y ago
Some people don't reply to texts very fast, though I can't imagine that among people college-aged. 5 hours is a lifetime at that age - new stuff comes up all the time. When she does reply, you need to be not available, otherwise she gets the impression you're just waiting around for her.
Don't make excuses for her behavior
Either she is performing as expected, or not. No middle ground. Let he know that not replying for 5 hours is unacceptable. I'm sure someone else here will have a good idea on how to do that effectively - I tend to be a bit direct and gruff.
Don't "ask" for anything - offer/direct something. "Come over for a study session", not "Would you like to...".