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- Hide Preview | 187 Comments | submitted 10 months ago by Cyralea [Post Locked]

Your whole life you’ve been fed a version of reality that has been palatable to you. One day a wandering beta stumbles into TheRedPill and reads [one of the most pivotal works ever written here]( https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1qb7mi/she_doesnt_love_you/) and comes to a crossroads. Do I continue to hold onto the version of reality that I’ve known all my life, or do I start challenging these ideas and see the truth for myself?

That boy takes the first step in his journey towards finally thinking for himself. Any idea that doesn’t hold up to the scrutiny of reality bears challenging, and discarding if necessary.

Still, some ideas are harder than others to let go, because many of them are derived from inward feelings they’ve felt their whole lives. [Men know how they feel about women]( https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/39k2ro/men_even_trp_men_love_women_very_much/). And many of you have experienced relationships where you well and truly loved a woman. No one could deny you that. A number of challenges and hurdles may have tested that bond, but never did you have a reason to doubt your love. That love is why you chose to keep going, despite it all.

However, there is a large disconnect with the inverse; women do not want your love. It is not what they’re after.

No, what women truly want is value. They want a combination of things that excite their dopamine receptors, none of which come directly from you loving her. She wants your value; your status, your wealth, your protection, your comfort. [A man that has all these things can excite a woman by telling her he loves her]( http://www.amazingshare111.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/2.jpg), only because it means that she is being given a gift. She does not love you. She loves those gifts, the transfer of your value.

Compare and contrast that to what happens when your value is gone. Your love means precisely nothing to her. Quite the opposite, it disgusts her. She does not want your love. She doesn’t want to be loved. She wants to be validated by value, and the words “I love you” do exactly that for her, providing that you offer her some value.

Recognizing this disconnect is yet another step on the TRP journey. Men and women are different in so many regards. This is one more facet of that collection. Men do desire female love. Your brain is wired to crave female love. This is not true with women, and misapplying this with them sets you up for disappointment when your expectations invariably aren’t met.

Your love does not bring with it any intrinsic value. To her it is as worthless as the air that comes out of your mouth when you say it. Treat “I love you” for what it really is – “I’m willing to share my value with you”, because that is what women really desire.

[-] ghebert001 207 Points 10 months ago

That's why women do a complete 180 and divorce your ass the second you get laid off and cannot immediately find another job. If you cannot provide resources and protection, you mean nothing to her. No woman has ever gone to a homeless shelter to look for a man with a heart of gold.

[-] OneInAZillion 110 Points 10 months ago

And on the flip side of that, no man (or very, VERY few) has gone the extra 100 miles to absolutely demolish a woman in a divorce, take the kids out of spite for no other reason than to fuck with her, even though she's a proven fit parent, and keep twisting that knife for years and years for no other reason than out of pure spite and anger that his "best years" were wasted.

[-] FerrusMan 40 Points 10 months ago

keep twisting that knife for years and years for no other reason than out of pure spite and anger that his "best years" were wasted.

In addition to this, she will keep twisting that knife for years over her anger at being "tricked" into marrying, sleeping with and having kids from a beta.

[-] Crimsonwind85 1 Point 10 months ago

What could we call a guy that can do this (hypothetically speaking), and still slay the putty tat ?

[-] Ali_s1987 3 Points 10 months ago

Britney spears ex? Whatever the fuck his name is......

[-] the_number_2 1 Point 10 months ago

Kevin Federline, or K-Fed as tabloids tried to make happen.

[-] Ali_s1987 1 Point 10 months ago

He has a new "rap" out................you should totally listen to it. Record it and then we have a snuff film! :P

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[-] REDDITCanSuckMyCOCK 1 Point 10 months ago
[-] HS-Thompson 1 Point 10 months ago

My father did this actually. It sucked.

[-] redpillisgospil 25 Points 10 months ago

No woman has ever gone to a homeless shelter to look for a man with a heart of gold.

Someone needs to do a youtube street walk on this.

[-] Uptonogood 8 Points 10 months ago

Actually there was a story here in Brazil of a former male model who become a hobo drug addict. Even no the streets, guy looked good.

Not long after the picture of him looking good on hobo clothing become viral, a woman took him off the streets and gave him everything. Last I've know she had a kid from him.

Goes to say that they really don't care for anything if the potential for good genetic offspring is there. It's instinct.

All this ridiculous checklist of stuff they demand from the betas is truly worthless if the guy is attractive.

[-] Horus_Krishna_2 2 Points 10 months ago

I bet that guy still had potential to make cash, as you stay he still looked handsome, but the drugs he was addicted to were holding him back, she saw a potential cash making opportunity in him. I doubt that hobo would be getting female attention if not for the male model past and looks which still existed.

[-] thelandofdreams 3 Points 10 months ago

him looking good on hobo clothing become viral,

See, "going viral" is enough to make you sexy to a lot of women. Some women will date a serial killer just because he is on the news.

[-] Horus_Krishna_2 1 Point 10 months ago

that's true I mean if you went viral you're famous and have potential then at least to make cash. and yeah why does Charles manson have a hot gf.

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[-] NeoreactionSafe 171 Points 10 months ago

 

Men desire Freedom, Women desire Access

 

If you stick to that rule you will be fine.

A woman desires Access to anything you represent in terms of value.

Your love must come from a position of Freedom. (ego boundry or Frame)

Men love women, women love children, children love puppies

...in that scenario the man holds Frame (has internal Freedom) and loves in a way that rewards the good behavior and punishes the bad.

The beta mistake is to lack Freedom and love as a boy to his mother.

Don't be a needy motherfucker.

 

[-] Chrience 36 Points 10 months ago

Your love must come from a position of Freedom. (ego boundry or Frame)

And what better way is there for denying yourself of the freedom needed for enjoying a woman's 'love' than by getting married to her? When you cant punish her for bad behaviour since she would always have the power to leave you and take half your earnings if she feels you 'abused' her in any way?

When you get married, you lose the power from leveraging your ability to leave, and when you lose that power, she loses respect for you. Since child support and alimony laws of 'Marriage 2.0', marriage was rigged to give all the power to her in the relationship and instinctually, that disgusts her. A man cannot lead the family when he has no power over his wife.

Don't get married.

[-] NeoreactionSafe 26 Points 10 months ago

The laws are actually worse than that.

Child Support Laws (federal) were adopted in 1950.

Prior to 1950 a woman who was unmarried had no way to place a man into slavery because she got pregnant.

So don't become confused about Marriage.

You are screwed even if you don't marry her.

In fact, the only difference is the potential for alimony and "spousal support" which is another way to milk money out of the guy.

Avoiding marriage is the tip of the iceburg of today's problems.

Prior to 1950 none of these problems existed, so marriage was a reasonable contract.

 

[-] RetroGroovin 5 Points 10 months ago

There's videos on YouTube from a MGTOW named Colttaine about the extremely close correlation to the advent of the birth control pill and the bulk majority of modern socioeconomic problems. Right dead smack at 1960.

I'd assume the combination of those child support laws and the birth control pill allowed women to fuck their way into the beds of men with the potential to support them.

Men in extramarital affairs at the time fooled themselves into getting comfortable with nutting in these bitches because of the pill and once enough "accidents" occurred we have the phenomena we witness now.

Definitely screwed either way. Bag up!

[-] NeoreactionSafe 9 Points 10 months ago

After WWII there was a top down globalist "plot" (which actually goes back long before) to reduce masculinity worldwide.

WWII was seen as such a terrible thing and masculinity was said to be the cause of it.

That was a complete lie of course, but it allowed the globalists the narrative to pacify the world to their Brave New World vision of consumerism.

Watch the 1998 full movie:

https://vimeo.com/45675847

...the idea that promiscuity is a citizen's duty would fit perfectly into the present day Feminist narrative.

Everything is really being planned in advance and then slowly manifested.

Red Pill wakes us up and allows us to see the process taking place.

 

[-] TomFoo 3 Points 10 months ago

Women desire Access.

This is taking me awhile to understand.

They don't want money, status, independence. They want your money, status, independence. They don't want freedom, they want access, to you, to an alpha male. This is how they're wired.

Your love must come from a position of Freedom. (ego boundry or Frame)

Many men go from alpha to beta when we get married/LTR'd. We lose frame, fail shit tests, love her as a boy to his mother. A woman do not desire access to a weak male. She feels fulfilled when she is fucked by a free man who does not need her.

[-] NeoreactionSafe 7 Points 10 months ago

Think of how disappointing that must be for a woman.

She seeks Access to someone who calms her hamster which urges her towards Hypergamy only for him to go beta on her.

What a crime.

Masculine polarity is the only cure I believe.

No wonder women hate men... failing so often.

 

[-] Meat-on-the-table 83 Points 10 months ago

It's in the sidebar, but it bears repeating: The only thing that matters to a woman is another woman.

Realize that everything she does--from the makeup,to the clothes, to the fashion, to the man--all of it is in service to her need to be above other women.

A man is the ultimate tool of a woman's manipulation because he can provide resources and value intrinsic in being an alpha.

You're a tool to her, one that drives her hamster and her ascent over other women.

[-] EdvardMunch 24 Points 10 months ago

I have a nice example of that. This plate I was with, I started dating her friend who lives out of town. She seemed upset but played it cool.

One night we were hanging out at a bar and she ends up coming back home with me. We fuck and she quickly leaves the next morning with too many thank you's. She doesn't bite to hangout again and I ask her what's wrong, "well I forgot you were dating so and so" which was a lie. I told her we had quit dating and just as you'd suspect she lost all interest.

She fucked me to gain lost value, and I had perceived value being a man with a woman above her.

Never fear dating too many women at once, it will fuel the flame of desire more than dampen it.

[-] thewrightstuff88 14 Points 10 months ago

That's dat preselection at work. The post "When Plates Collide" has some great stuff in there. The most eye opening quote in there is this:

"When women say they don't like it that when a man is a player, simply take it the same way you would if a company told you that it doesn't like the competition. It's a statement made entirely out of self-interest--but they will,out of that same self-interest, strive to be better and keep you around."

[-] Chrience 22 Points 10 months ago

And at the same time, there's always a crabs in a bucket mentality with groups of women. They all want to be above eachother but also drag them down to their own level. It's a constant social war between them and there's never any friendship between women without this hidden conflict. A woman can have a close female friend for years, but when she gets fitter and more attractive than her, suddenly she's a 'bitch' and they hate eachother.

[-] --HankMoody-- 12 Points 10 months ago

This is a well written comment and it is correct but she also has another major factor playing with her brain, that is the desire for powerful, attractive and healthy offspring. She will fuck Chad, or even a psycopathic bikie or homeless guy for his sperm alone. In those moments she is not looking for value, status or resources. She is looking for warrior sperm and she does not care what she has to do to get it inside her. Of course we have contraception now, so women can just ride that carousel indefinitely with Chad in night club toilets and his dingy one bedroom apartment. Then at precisely 28 she can panic and decide she needs a good provider to get her pregnant.

[-] RXRob 8 Points 10 months ago

No man ever looked at a woman and said "Damn. That handbag costs £300"

[-] Battle-Scars 14 Points 10 months ago

No, but plenty have said about their ex-wife "damn, that hoebag cost me $300,000"

[-] chocobaby 2 Points 10 months ago

"You're a tool to her," I was just thinking about men being a backpack to women. She'll "love" her backpack, as long as it carries useful stuff in it. Once it is empty, tattered, or otherwise value-less, she will toss it to the side and move along. Hmmm...BP, back pack...blue pill....coincidence?

[-] ShounenEgo 1 Point 10 months ago

It's in the sidebar, but it bears repeating: The only thing that matters to a woman is another woman.

Corollary: Women are not like dogs like TRP says. They're like cats. They have no friends and they will only approach to purr as long as they have something they want from you.

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[-] RXRob 10 Points 10 months ago

I'm Red Pill.

I don't hate women.

You are over generalising.......

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[-] p3n1x 1 Point 10 months ago

Stop projecting. Why do you see the need to get defensive based on someones point of view about women, instead of supporting a brother with constructive discussion.

Your comment was a knee-jerk indoctrinated reaction from a "surface knowledge" understanding of the material.

You can't call someone a "hater" with an "angry" tone (pot meet kettle) and then continue to defend your opinion with the same angry tone.

AFC behavior.

[-] SmoothPrimal 1 Point 10 months ago

So you want my tone to be "less angry" and treat you like a little princess?

Are you fucking kidding me.

Also realize that projecting is when someone defends an argument based on what they refuse to believe. I already know women are pretty damn stupid, but the posts on this subreddit as just so dissillusioned my logic cant accept it because its obviously an over-negative view of women with a lot of opinions based on the emotional state of the poster not based on actual sceintific observation.

I dont "support brothers" just because they are men, thats just sounds like a girl expecting support from other women just because shes a woman.

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[-] RP_Vergil 4 Points 10 months ago

This subreddit is filled with disillusioned men who just find reasons to hate women.

You are over generalizing every woman in every culture in every age in every country. In the US that may be the case since women here tend to be very materialistic and value-driven but in other parts of the world, women tend to be very feminine and quite devoted to their husbands because of how they are brought up.

Bluepill redpill is pretty much the radical extremes of each other. Blue pill loves women no matter what, redpill hates women no matter what.

I really hope this subreddit evolves from being so one-sided and truly become a subreddit about the truth not just woman-hating.

And you're doing what you said we are doing... Over Generalizing

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[-] p3n1x 2 Points 10 months ago

To be fair, you are shit testing like a woman.

[-] Meat-on-the-table 3 Points 10 months ago

You obviously haven't figured this place out yet. Read this first before commenting

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[-] p3n1x 1 Point 10 months ago

Why is knowing the difference between two subjects have to be "negative" or "positive"? Its knowledge.

You are the one splitting, and splitting is a choice.

Positive / Negative is subjective.

This knowledge is to teach one how to be "happy" more than the AFC out there in a very stormy ocean of variables.

[-] SmoothPrimal 1 Point 10 months ago

Why is knowing the difference between two subjects have to be "negative" or "positive"? Its knowledge

Then you should realize there is not positive negative. Its all gray areas. You should look up splitting defense mechanism and you will understand.

[-] Mithra9009 1 Point 10 months ago

But there is a normalised view of things. The normalised view is that women are primarily interested in value and that unconditional love is a farce.

Different people are at different stages of progress with regards to accepting and internalising these truths (hence why you see so much hate at times) but nonetheless, the final product i.e. a man that has his expectations inline with reality will never experience this process. There won't be any ups and downs. The splitting process occurs because the person is idealising the person, yes? Well, if those ideals are proven to be non-existent then the process doesn't even get started, does it? You can't be disappointed without first hoping.

[-] Mithra9009 1 Point 10 months ago

This subreddit is filled with disillusioned men who just find reasons to hate women.

Untrue. We find explanations to further our understanding of women. The reaction to that understanding is a different matter. It's less that we find reasons to hate them because we want to hate them and more that we find reasons to hate them because as we understand them further, we empower ourselves (knowledge is power), it's just that we tend to not like what we see due women's deviation from the very ideals that western civilisation is founded upon.

but in other parts of the world, women tend to be very feminine and quite devoted to their husbands because of how they are brought up

Since the men here are being encouraged to build themselves up, it's natural that the idea of building a family has been discussed. Since the worth of American women as mothers is already established, it's natural that questions regarding the practicality of foreign women as mothers have been raised. The answer is AWALT for the following reason: Consider the case of a woman that's growing up in a third-world country. These countries typically don't have any welfare services for single mothers thus causing women to prioritise Beta Bucks over Alpha Fux. It's not that they don't want AF, it's just that they feel BB is more necessary (if we're considering a South American woman trying to survive despite the drug cartels, finding a good BB is literally a matter of life and death). So it's not that she treats her husband well because she's internalised the teachings of her family and cultural environment but rather, she is emotionally reacting to the threats of the environment. When she is brought over to America and exposed to the same "you go girl!" culture that makes American women the way they are and becomes cognizant of her ability to divorce-rape you, the foreign woman will join them (as does happen).

You sound like a man that found a foreign woman so I think it's fair that I mention a warning about Japanese women. They're known to be very nice, sweet and cute and to cook and clean for you and offer sex with you during the dating phase however the day that ring slips on that finger, you're anchored to something else entirely.

Bluepill redpill is pretty much the radical extremes of each other.

Nope. False dichotomy. Bluepillers and redpillers have radically different interpretations of reality. They're not extremes of each other because they're not even on the same spectrum.

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[-] Thenextprince 55 Points 10 months ago

They dont want my love, They just want my potential - The Weeknd

[-] TechnoRaptor -3 Point 10 months ago

I mean they want both, but one is definitely much more important

[-] Thenextprince 11 Points 10 months ago

Its a song bro, You might like it.

The party & the after party by the weeknd.

[-] Skully5591 5 Points 10 months ago

All his previous albums were so dope. Dislike the latest one. Downsides of going mainstream.

[-] Thenextprince 6 Points 10 months ago

True. Check out my summary of his music on the TRP front page bro.

I miss that druggied out, "fuck bitches no commitment, xo me and my niggas ballin" music he was making tho.

[-] Dat_Black_Guy 2 Points 10 months ago

that shit was were it was at!

[-] Thenextprince 2 Points 10 months ago

Hell yeah. Can you think of any other RP music?

[-] Dat_Black_Guy 1 Point 10 months ago

i'd say some DMX (also great for workouts), Camrom (the whole dipset team) the song "suck it or not" comes to mind

[-] walking_ape 40 Points 10 months ago

I think the same is actually true vice versa. It's just that a man's value is more volatile. It can change dramatically within a short time span. A woman's value is more stable. It takes a much longer time to change.

If a fat old lady told you that she loved you (in a romantic/sexual way), that would be disgusting.

A woman's love means she will give you sex. That's the only reason we care about it. That's why we hate the friend zone. Love without sex? What's the point?!

[-] Jigsus 19 Points 10 months ago

You are onto something but there are plenty of men who still love their aging wives at 80 when they can't even have sex.

[-] Luis_McLovin 16 Points 10 months ago

At that point those men are simply enjoying the feeling of love, its an emotional high, with safe confidence their wives aren't going to run off for some CC action, because face it, she's old as fuck.

[-] MentORPHEUS 14 Points 10 months ago

Read up on companionate love, versus passionate love.

[-] Jigsus 4 Points 10 months ago

I'm not a big supporter of the triangular love theory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_theory_of_love

That's what you were hinting at weren't you?

[-] MentORPHEUS 5 Points 10 months ago

Until I read that wiki page just now, I hadn't heard of Steinberg and his Triangle of Love theory. It does look like a useful paradigm especially in the attraction and initial stages of shorter-term relationships.

I was referring to the natural and readily observable evolution of many long-term relationships from passionate to companionate love, which is what keeps sexless 80yos lovingly together till the end.

[-] Entropy-7 3 Points 10 months ago

That seems like a reasonable theory. I have a broader relationship theory that I call The Color Wheel. You basically have three components to any relationship: sex, love and camaraderie corresponding to red, green and blue. Mix them together and you get other types of relationships: yellow = romance, cyan = friendship, magenta = FWB. And of course, unicorns are white.

[-] Jigsus 3 Points 10 months ago

I illustrated it http://i.imgur.com/rsWOqwm.png

Use it however you like including whoring for karma. BTW it's "additive color mixing" not the "color wheel". The color wheel is this http://www.dimensionsthruart.com/files/images/color%20wheel%20labeled.gif

[-] Entropy-7 2 Points 10 months ago

Ya ya, I know. Color Wheel sounds better than additive color mixing. Certainly it works better than subtractive color mixing.

But cheers for the illustration.

[-] redpillisgospil 7 Points 10 months ago

Women have sex with men they don't love, be careful.

[-] Entropy-7 7 Points 10 months ago

Ya, the ones they find sexy. But they will have sex with unsexy men they love . . . or for the love of money.

[-] redpillisgospil 1 Point 10 months ago

Or validation, or fatherly capabilities, or status, or or or or.

[-] walking_ape 2 Points 10 months ago

That's why I was trying to say we only care about a woman's love in so far as it indicates her willingness to have sex with us.

The love is just there to assure us that the sex is likely to continue for a long time and not just be a fling.

[-] Entropy-7 2 Points 10 months ago

Women use sex to get love; men use love to get sex.

[-] submitted_5_days_ago 30 Points 10 months ago

Exchanges of power. No more, no less.

Men's power is hypothetically infinite. Today you have 1 million, tomorrow you can have 1 billion.

Women are hypergamous because their power is capped. It goes up until the wall, then all the way down.

Since they only have a capped amount of chips, they must choose to whom they gonna give them so they can have the -what you call- value in return.

And it's clear, when they see a more valuable bargain for the same amount of chips (spreading their legs X times a week), they gonna switch quite fast!

It's economics. Everybody would switch where they buy more quantity for the same price.

[-] raisins3142 27 Points 10 months ago

Women compete against each other in a zero sum game. Men can cooperate with each other in positive sum games. It's one reason women don't get along with each other, their collaboration nets no additional value to them.

[-] Vietnom 3 Points 10 months ago

Is that entirely true though? I remember reading somewhere that women are more attractive in packs.

[-] raisins3142 16 Points 10 months ago

My reply was a bit of a non sequitur. Women divide up the value that men bring, men bring value. Men cooperate with each other to add value, and is why men have such things as honor and reciprocity. And it is why women fight with each other and don't like each other much.

[-] ioncehadsexinapool 1 Point 10 months ago

I love that. It makes so much sense.

[-] CSMastermind 2 Points 10 months ago

The key is that every girl wants the best man for herself. They're not satisfied with having the second best man. So lifting another woman up just hurts their own chances.

[-] OpiumPhrogg 1 Point 10 months ago

That's called the cheerleader effect. Google will tell you all about it.

[-] chance01 2 Points 10 months ago

One reason why women love reality shows; those programs show women deep in their natures - petty, competitive, not seeing any value in getting along, glamed up only to out glam the others,wet paper thin friendships, hypergamy, extracting value from the men who are in relationships with them.

[-] KartagoPill -1 Point 10 months ago

I would buy more for same prince. It's something basic. Really easy to use this especially when I would had coochie.

[-] raisins3142 27 Points 10 months ago

I'd say women want to be loved by a high value man. They do not enjoy the actual act of loving them back.

I lost frame and snooped my exes texts backed up via google (left her gmail logged in on my computer). I read what she wrote her friends during a 2 week break up period (I left her). She never once mentioned me or any trait of mine, only that she wanted to be loved and not be alone and other things totally centered on her self. In fact, I don't think my name or even a pronoun related pointed to me was used more than a few times in several weeks.

[-] Cyralea 27 Points 10 months ago

They don't actually want his love. They want the validation and the shared value that comes with it. They want what his saying "I love you" represents. They don't actually care for his love.

A high value man's love by itself isn't worth anything to women.

[-] raisins3142 11 Points 10 months ago

I agree. They want it because it means that he is committed and it will help them socially, materially, and emotionally. Perhaps this is why women are such enthusiastic users of any technology that is a surrogate, such as facebook validation.

[-] chance01 7 Points 10 months ago

Facebook aka Validation Station.

[-] chocobaby 4 Points 10 months ago

Oh God, try OKCupid....they just bask in the feels glow of hundreds of males trying to get their attention. How about gonewild? Now girls can show off their assets in the sexual marketplace without fear of attack and gangbang, and revel in the adoration of thousands of males. I love seeing them but holy fuck have we gotten lost as men. The playing field in this day and age is so slanted it's almost a wall.

[-] Daimonon 2 Points 10 months ago

We've all been there. Shit happens.. you break up or whatever stupid decision you make to split up temporarily. You're out with your buds, you do have some fun but in the back of your mind, you miss her, how you feel with her.. maybe you even tell your buds about it.

On the other hand, all the woman will mention is what she wants and how she wants to feel without actually referring to you at all, like you were a piece of equipment similar to a cellphone, for example.

[-] evileddy 21 Points 10 months ago

Love is not a viable resource for women.. they can't buy shoes with your love... now your money they can use.

[-] penis_butter_n_jelly 4 Points 10 months ago

women are singularly motivated by showing up other women. they don't actually care about the shoes. they care about having something other women don't.

[-] chocobaby 5 Points 10 months ago

Since RP, I am now noticing so many traits in women's behavior. It is amazing to watch, like a train wreck. I have always "seen" ideas. I get a mental picture, like a screenshot, of any particular relationship or situation. The screenshots I'm getting lately are not pleasant but they are enlightening. "women are singularly motivated by showing up other women. they don't actually care about the shoes. they care about having something other women don't." They are at the mercy of their "feels" 99.9% of the time, and can't even disconnect in an objective way for a moment to examine their behavior, forget about changing it.

[-] evileddy 1 Point 10 months ago

I wonder if there's a link between how many shoes a woman has and how many men she fucked...

[-] _trpdude 14 Points 10 months ago

Do I continue to hold onto the version of reality that I’ve known all my life, or do I start challenging these ideas and see the truth for myself?

I actually think it would be pretty hard to remain ignorant after having been exposed to the truth. After you know it, you just see it everywhere.

[-] redpillschool 24 Points 10 months ago

I actually think it would be pretty hard to remain ignorant after having been exposed to the truth. After you know it, you just see it everywhere.

Some kiddos get the pill stuck in their throat and whine on subs like ex-redpill about how they were suckered into believing a false reality but now they've escaped it.

You don't swallow the red pill and then change your mind. They never understood it to begin with.

[-] theoctopuss 3 Points 10 months ago

They can't handle the truth.

They were told that if they do everything "right", they would be rewarded with a loyal wife regardless of looks or game.

When reality hits them in the face, when they realize that the uneasy gut feeling wasn't just because of a terrible diet, the autonomous mind will do things to protect itself. Either the ego will regress to a point where it isn't conflicted, or it will splinter and compartmentalize the information. They don't have the capacity to handle such a stressor on the psyche.

Men with less testosterone will give up, or look for ways to subvert biology. Men with more testosterone will run into red pill ideology headfirst.

[-] redpillisgospil 3 Points 10 months ago

There is I think a sub population that is instead in denial or retreat. The truths are hard to swallow, no pun intended.

[-] 5t3fan0 1 Point 10 months ago

when i first discovered TRP i also checked that sub... then read only one thread, only once.... it was so pathetic and disgusting and sad that i noped the fuck out in 5 min, never to return.

[-] raisins3142 13 Points 10 months ago

Yep, saw Gregg Allman on his current tour a few days ago. He played a beautiful song called "multicolored lady". It is amazingly romantic and blue pill. I looked around the auditorium and realized why I've never heard a woman write a song like that about a man. Further, the drunk women at the show kept trying to draw attention to themselves and be part of the show. It was my uncle's birthday and I took him to the show as his gift. My uncle is gay but masculine as hell and RP (when my friends find out his gay they are literally shocked beyond belief). He leaned over and said "damn, I'm so lucky I don't like these dumb bitches". I laughed and agreed.

[-] Thenextprince 14 Points 10 months ago

See, i dont think most men are bothered by masculine gays. I dont care if you like dick, as long as you still act like a man. Its the feminine Flamboyant faggots that ruin it for gay men. Just cause you like dick doesnt mean you have to act like a woman. I have a gay masculine neighbor named JT, we shoot pool and do shots sometimes. Cool ass dude.

[-] raisins3142 9 Points 10 months ago

Yep, my uncle himself doesn't care for the antics of flamboyant gays. He is the type to have long term partners, I've met them and am very good friends with his current. And they are all masculine and cool as hell. Type of guys that invite you to go shoot their new varmint rifle they just got at an auction or drive their sports car.

He jokes about flamers. The guy that dog sits for him is a former drag queen. I was eating a sandwich with them before my uncle and I were going somewhere, and the drag queen dropped part of his sandwich down his shirt. My uncle retorted "thank god your bra caught that!" And we all, including the queen, laughed our asses off.

He is my closest relative outside of nuclear family. I learned he was gay when I was 16 years old. He has impacted my life positively in many ways, and I love him dearly. The fact that his other family and I totally accept him has brought us all closer.

Anyways, just felt like sharing a bit more.

EDIT: One more thing, the only time most well adjusted men dislike gays is when they are aggressively hitting on them and seem oblivious to our none response. There are a few "sex addictie" gays at my gym that cruise me all the time despite me showing zero interest. I hate that shit, must be what hot women deal with daily.

[-] Thenextprince 6 Points 10 months ago

Thats awesome bro. Family is important, especially masculine family. Masculine brotherhood is a great thing. I have low empathy, But i have 2-4 bros Im great friends with and were like brothers. Loyalty is a great thing to have between bros. You gotta take care of your brothers/family/squad.

[-] Entropy-7 3 Points 10 months ago

One time I was online and a ladyboy started chatting with me. It was friendly but I made it clear it wasn't going anywhere. At one point the discussion turned to fashion and I made some sort of comment that prompted her/him/it to say "I'm a tranny, not a fag!" Flamers ever disgust trannies!

I spent a few months working part time in a porn/sex shop. Most of the other employees (all male) and the "regulars" (who would buy stuff but a lot of times would just hang around) were gay. I got hit on a flirted with all the time even when making it clear I didn't swing that way. When that was pointed out to one of the regulars apparently he said "Oh, I can turn him."

Living in Vancouver for 3 years basically cured me of any "homophobia" because getting hit on by guys became so normalized it didn't bother me any more. Plus, it gives you some insight into what decent looking women have to put up with.

[-] Entropy-7 1 Point 10 months ago

One time I was online and a ladyboy started chatting with me. It was friendly but I made it clear it wasn't going anywhere. At one point the discussion turned to fashion and I made some sort of comment that prompted her/him/it to say "I'm a tranny, not a fag!" Flamers ever disgust trannies!

I spent a few months working part time in a porn/sex shop. Most of the other employees (all male) and the "regulars" (who would buy stuff but a lot of times would just hang around) were gay. I got hit on a flirted with all the time even when making it clear I didn't swing that way. When that was pointed out to one of the regulars apparently he said "Oh, I can turn him."

Living in Vancouver for 3 years basically cured me of any "homophobia" because getting hit on by guys became so normalized it didn't bother me any more. Plus, it gives you some insight into what decent looking women have to put up with.

[-] 5t3fan0 2 Points 10 months ago

before TRP i believe gay men were cool to like their own things and behave how they wanted..... after TRP (and some female drama) i think they're lucky as fuck, and that probably love between two masculine gay men is the most real love one man can hope for

[-] Thenextprince 1 Point 10 months ago

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that either roman or Greek soldiers were encouraged to engage in homo sex, for male bonding before war. I'm not sure tho.

[-] 5t3fan0 1 Point 10 months ago

dont know about that, but i know about the "sacred band of thebes" a small 300 men (150 gay couples) elite oplite band, regarded as the best soldiers the powerful city-state could deploy against the famous spartans (the real armoured ones, not the comic-book strippers) during the corinthian war around 400BC

[-] ex_addict_bro 10 Points 10 months ago

I actually think it would be pretty hard to remain ignorant after having been exposed to the truth.

Knowing is one thing, acting is another. Codependency is a form of addiction and it is very real for those of us who have been plagued by it. It actually made me powerless, it made me live a life out of my control. Now as I'm getting better, I'm actually thinking about rewriting TRP stuff into a model of addiction - it is more palatable to me this way. See my recent comments to see what I mean. But, be warned, I believe that only those who genuinely felt their own addiction and understand the mechanisms are able to grasp this properly.

[-] PrinceofSpades 10 Points 10 months ago

There are many ways to act once you know, and it is none of our place to critique those who have chosen. Of those I have educated with TRP successfully over the years (as many are prone to reject the pill), one cracked and swore off women altogether, one lifts with me regularly and comes out with me to pull ass from time to time (and does so frequently on his own), and the last used it to break free from his horribly controlling and abusive ex and instead found another woman to say 'I love you' to, except this time around he wears the pants when he needs to, and doesn't put up with shittests from her end ever. He lets her be in charge sometimes when it benefits him or makes him happy, but the second she acts up, he steps in and puts her correctly back into place. They couldn't be happier.

All three of these men are correct. They are living their own way in response to learning the truth about society as it pertains to both men and women. All three acted, they just chose different courses of action to make them the most happy. That's ultimately the point of all of this: for you as an individual to find your own happiness after learning the truth about the world around you.

[-] FerrusMan 8 Points 10 months ago

Indeed. Unlike Cypher and the Matrix, once you've become unplugged, there is no going back in. Deny it all you want, but the truth of this stuff has a way of bubbling up to the top and staring you in the face. However different you wish the world could be.

[-] rognos 2 Points 10 months ago

There is no pill to undo the red pill. The initial anger and frustration side effects do go away though.

[-] soadaa 2 Points 10 months ago

Exactly. After experiencing it firsthand a few times and reading everything here, there's no denying the truth. There's no going back, not that I'd want to go back.

Some people actively chose to lie to themselves though. I parallel it to obese and lazy fucks telling themselves they can't change things but it's also okay that they can't anyway.

[-] stonecats 9 Points 10 months ago

the dopamine trigger sequence of events may vary. a very desirable women may believe you can give her all the stuff she needs, and will then seem to love you - thus you foolishly love her back. in time she decides you are not as rewarding to be with as she assumed, so she dumps you and leaves you heart broken. this sequence may be great for guys just hooking up, but it's terrible for those looking for a lasting relationship.

so guys should play it cool with the hook up approach, then if you survive her scrutiny and friends vetting and she still wants what you have to offer - you are in the drivers seat as to keeping her around or continuing to play the field. this is why relationship looking guys should never rush the engagement period, and if an engagement is broken by her - short of you winning a 10mil lottery, she's not going to stick around for a second try.

[-] benuntu 1 Point 10 months ago

This happened to me in one of my first relationships out of divorce. Luckily, I was jaded enough from the breakup to not want anything serious. But man, she sure did put on the dog and pony show.

I make a decent living, kept my house after the divorce, work out regularly, etc. From the outside, I'm sure it looked like I was very well off. But in reality I live frugally because I'm literally the only earner in my household. This woman was head over heels for me, texting all the time, sex whenever I wanted, however I wanted. Then after she began to see that I wasn't going to be buying her gifts or sending us on lavish vacations, she pulled back big time! Once the illusion of access to my money disappeared, she lost interest.

It's funny, she's still a FWB but that's all. I think she's hoping that eventually I'll loosen the purse strings. And now that I've seen her true nature, she's never getting anything more than what she has now.

[-] redpillnexus 9 Points 10 months ago

Such a sad truth. Really I've never been bitter and I do have genuine feelings sometimes, but I'm pretty sure the other party never has...

[-] Cyralea 11 Points 10 months ago

You eventually come to grips with it. False expectations lead to disappointment down the road.

[-] Thenextprince 8 Points 10 months ago

I dont understand how any redpill man can have an emotional connection with a woman after being redpilled. Even if you're not attached, and don't care about losing her, why care/love something that can never truly return it?

I don't believe in love, I see it as a mating hormone. & I have low empathy, I've never felt anything eemotional for a chick, so I've never been burned. So its quite easy for me to not love, so I might be biased. I just don't understand how a redpill man could love a woman. They're basically life support systems for their pussies to me. Sperm recepticles.

[-] Cyralea 2 Points 10 months ago

Even if you're not attached, and don't care about losing her, why care/love something that can never truly return it?

Because it's still rewarding. People love irrationally because it's rewarding. Think of people who buy pet snakes or spiders. Those things cannot love you with anywhere near the same capacity, but people develop emotional connections all the same.

Just accept that it can all end at a moments notice and find peace with that, and you'll do fine.

[-] barryberry 2 Points 10 months ago

I feel the same way. I have never been 'in love' with someone and have low empathy. It doesn't seem very common, I have talked about this with some people (even a RP friend of me) and none of them understand this at all. Just like I don't understand what kind of idiotic stuff they do for their girlfriends and get bitching in return. Do you know any more people like yourself?

[-] pillchangedmylife 2 Points 10 months ago

Second that. Why invest in something that will most likely yield zero returns - or worse net negative. Sad reality

[-] Thenextprince 2 Points 10 months ago

Nah. I know we're not sociopaths or anything. We just have low empathy. Maybe ask around the sub or ask the mods. I'd be interested in learning more bout it from an RP standpoint too.

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[-] Thenextprince 1 Point 10 months ago

Its not for me haha. Sometimes I can enjoy a convo with a chick, but most bitches Are boring.

[-] fuu969 1 Point 10 months ago

Don't love her, love her value to you

[-] fuu969 1 Point 10 months ago

Just look how quickly any man is replaced and forgotten

[-] huge_gap 8 Points 10 months ago

So true. TL:DR women only want the value you provide them through status, safety, and escape. They only "love you" for as much value you provide in any of these categories.

[-] hbPUA 7 Points 10 months ago

Great reminder of how men are success objects, women sex objects. Don't fall in love with her.

[-] Thenextprince 1 Point 10 months ago

Trp men should not fall in love.

[-] [deleted] 5 Points 10 months ago

One could make the case that men don't love women either. Men love the tang, the booty and the supahead - and the adulation that comes with it. When you're the man and you're on top of your game, other men wanna know who you are and wanna talk to you - that's an addictive feeling. More than cocaine. More than alcohol. More than getting some banging chick on your ding-a-ling.

People in general just do shit to impress. That's why they post all the "highlights" on Facebook even though most of their lives aren't that great. Niggas lean against nice cars that ain't even theirs and take pics just to put it on Facebook. No joke.

[-] Jigsus 1 Point 10 months ago

Many people don't subscribe to that sort of attention and the ones that do usually do it as a way of attracting women.

[-] uncommonstupidity 4 Points 10 months ago

The only woman that -might- ever love you is your biological mother, but only so long as she sees you as a viable means of passing on her genetic information. If your father loves you, congrats, because he could run off and start a new family NOW

[-] KermitTheeFrog777 3 Points 10 months ago

Impressively concise. Brilliant mantra for calibrating your expectations.

And as they say, happiness is being better-off than expected.

[-] Thenextprince 3 Points 10 months ago

I dont feel any desire to be loved by women, I just want to fuck and then i want them to leave. Then again, I have a fucked up brain and low empathy. What can regular men do to get rid of that craving for female love, besides fuck a ton of chicks?

[-] redpillisgospil 5 Points 10 months ago

STRs, plates. LTRs and cheat (male AF\BB).

[-] Thenextprince 3 Points 10 months ago

That's what I figured. I feel bad for regular dudes who crave that soft acceptance and being able to drop their guard around a woman, cause they'll never find it.

[-] redpillisgospil 3 Points 10 months ago

Everyone craves it. But I mean I want a $5 filet mignon with prime meat. I have to either pay up, or eat down.

I know one unicorn IRL, and even she is being pushed to the very limits right now and there are rumors of pending divorce.

[-] Thenextprince 1 Point 10 months ago

I don't crave it. I've hated women all my 16 years of life, never felt an emotion for them besides lust.

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[-] pfffft_comeon 3 Points 10 months ago

am I the only one not concerned with this? i don't really care about being loved by anybody but family/friends. i've got that. i don't expect it from girls and it doesn't motivate me. when it comes to girls, i care about a chick that could be a good mother and has a lower chance of fucking with me and the kid if we divorce.

by extension i don't really care if i provide them value or whatever bullshit. once again, zero motivation to do that.

[-] PinnacleOfHate 3 Points 10 months ago

"She doesn't love YOU. She loves how you make her FEEL." comes best to mind.

[-] chocobaby 2 Points 10 months ago

Succinctly put Mr. Pinnacle.

[-] bromance946 2 Points 10 months ago

Well yeah, women don't care if some loser who they don't respect loves them. Your feelings =/= her feelings. I guess that makes sense.

[-] TheFabledWIzard 2 Points 10 months ago

Women care only about their emotions.

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[-] aydeen 1 Point 10 months ago

I both agree with parts of your post and disagree with others but, thinking for myself here, I think love is just a chemical reaction in the brain. Its sole purpose is to reproduce, and make our species as successful as possible. This chemical reaction is no different in mice or sharks but the way the organism interprets and understands it is different.

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[-] remyseven 1 Point 10 months ago

The girl I'm dating right now is a tomboy and she says she loves wholeheartedly and she doesn't share. But does she share herself?

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[-] 123Jobber 1 Point 10 months ago

Hugh Jackman is out of his damn mind

[-] Cyralea 1 Point 10 months ago

There's a theory that he's a closeted homosexual and that Deborra-Lee Furness is just his cover. Personally, I can see it.

[-] Lord_Trolldermort 1 Point 10 months ago

What does TRP say about ethnic men who's social value is actually lower?

Eg. I am Asian. Most white women do not like me. Poor matches on Tinder, even in "diverse" cities. Asians are considered to have the worst men. After right swiping thousands of times, most matches were other Asian women (60%), followed by black (15%), white (20%), and other (middle eastern / Indian, 5%)

[-] Cyralea 2 Points 10 months ago

You'd get more help on AskTRP, but the short answer is that it doesn't really matter. I'm not white either. You need high value, and being ethnic is only a tiny knock against that.

Asian guys who are fit, have game and some social status do just fine.

[-] Whitified 2 Points 10 months ago

Im Asian too but i find it an advantage. I don't understand your struggle

BTW maybe you should stop using Tinder and dating apps, etc. Its a cesspool

[-] Lord_Trolldermort 1 Point 10 months ago

May I ask which country, or if you're stateside, which state you live in?

[-] Whitified 1 Point 10 months ago

Singapore. I've spent much time in LA though, and during my stay there i still don't find my race a problem. If anything, women like it if you're secure enough to even to joke about it.

That, and don't meet girls using dating apps.

https://www.youtube.com/user/SimplePickup

I looove this youtube channel. One asian and one indian guy. Average looking, no money, no status. Picking up girls like champs. Confidence is King. Check it out.

[-] Lord_Trolldermort 1 Point 10 months ago

Are you going for white women only?

[-] Whitified 1 Point 10 months ago

Nope. I go for hot women only. Don't matter what colour they are.

Don't worry about race. Really. If a girl rejects you, its because of something else, regardless what she says. In this case, your insecurity.

[-] Jax77789 1 Point 10 months ago

Just find a way to become fearsome.

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[-] socialinjusticewar 1 Point 10 months ago

... they want satisfaction. They've gotta find themeselves another piece of the action cause they're crazy.

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[-] benuntu 1 Point 10 months ago

I think it's a bit more nuanced that this, but I agree with the general idea. Firstly they want value, THEN they want love. In fact, they want love so bad it drives them insane and they will do all sorts of things they've never done to get it...so long as the value is there.

So I wouldn't say women don't want your love, I'd say that they only want it from those that excite them with value. Loyal women will stick with you through periods when your value is lower (unemployed, injured, etc.). But few women will stick around if your value is permanently lowered (disabled, incarcerated, etc.). Moral of the story is defend your value at all costs, because it's the key to keeping a woman craving your love. I mean, if you're into that.

[-] Jax77789 1 Point 10 months ago

Value to a woman is not entirely your ressources, it is, I think, also your genes, your behavior, your violence, your social proficiency, your force etc power in one form or another respective to her. A well off woman will still bang a charismatic jerkboy, a violent thug, a smooth talker over an industrious beta bucks. They will never respect you thanks to your money.

Look up Musk's bitch. Elon is worth billions, he is changing the world and the bitch does not give a shit, walks all over him, divorces rape him TWICE. Also look at the german women swooning over the immigrants. Ressources them ? Nah, they are dirt poor, illiterate, mostly scrawny ugly and stupid but they would beat the shit out of the average german man. Therefore they are the preferred choice.

Musk's predicament is why I am working on dominating women with only implied brute force and social proficiency ( validation, negs, humilation techniques) and to never talk about my assets. Just have them in your claws and they open their asses. Money will not get them to "love you", only to use you. Sure you can be an Alpha Bucks, but the moment you show them money they will tend to see you as a walking wallet to be plundered, even more so these days when they feel entitled to everything without having to give anything in return. Better to rule over them with a sword than with a vault full of gold ingots. Just my 0.02$. Now the consequence of this is a dysgenic progression of population and a civilizational decline, but hell, this is our time. Thug up. Keep your money for yourself.

Sorry for the long comment.

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[-] MoneyStatusLooks 1 Point 10 months ago

Totally true, a woman's love is just a measure of the value she gets from you, or the future value she think she can get out of you.

I can't be a hypocrite though, I am the same with women. If she gets fat and attraction sinks, value is gone. If she stops being sweet and caring, and starts being high maintaince and annoying, value drops.

This is not aimed at anyone in particular, but we need to stop making out that we as men are somehow saints who have pure intentions. Literally, if a bitch doesnt give me some value I want, I am not there to stick with her for "love". Fuck that shit, she's gone.

[-] Cyralea 2 Points 10 months ago

It's not about purity. The mechanics of love are simply different between us. Male love is wholly irrational and intentionally intoxicating. We're designed to irrationally stay with our partners for evolutionary reasons.

Women have no such mechanisms. Their biological reality plays out differently.

[-] chocobaby 1 Point 10 months ago

Truth. We all like to think that we are autonomous free willed creatures striving for a wonderful life. We are no different than amoebas in a petri dish following our genetic orders, all the while telling ourselves that we are different.

[-] MoneyStatusLooks 1 Point 10 months ago

Male love is wholly irrational and intentionally intoxicating.

And the same way you we say AWALT, not all men will do that to the same level. I get it, I understand for evolutionary reasons it serves a purpose, but I believe RP understanding can make you override your biology to a certain extent.

[-] Thenextprince 1 Point 10 months ago

We all know women dont want your love. I dont understand why parts of TRP say you can love women in an ltr in the captain/first mate dynamic then. IMO, A redpill man should never fall in love with a woman.

[-] PrinceofSpades 8 Points 10 months ago

Because you're allowed to love a woman, whether she wants it or not. You love her for you, because it's soemthing you desire and soemthing that makes you happy by improving your perceived quality of life in some way.

Notice a trend? It still needs to be about you. I've loved some first mates I've had, but I loved them because I wanted to love someone, and because they earned it from me. I didn't love them because they wanted it, or because of who they were. I wanted a woman to love at that point in my life, and she just happened to be that woman at that time. A TRP man should never get attached, but he is allowed to love. Just make sure it's on his terms, and never expect it to last forever.

[-] Thenextprince 1 Point 10 months ago

But loving her is investment, and lowers your value and attraction in her eyes.

[-] redpillisgospil 6 Points 10 months ago

You can love someone but not give up your value. What you you really meant is that you can't give her commitment.

AKA "keep her on her toes."

[-] PrinceofSpades 3 Points 10 months ago

Indeed; hopefully your attraction and value is high enough from the gym and your career success that it doesn't matter. It's still a privilege for her to be with you and not the other way around. That's how successful and happy TRP-oriented marriages and families are successfully run, because she knows you're the best she'd ever have, and you were dumb enough to pick her forever instead of a never-ending line up of young, hot, and fertile women that your looks, wealth, and power have earned and can access. It's the man taking the blow, for the sake of progeny.

Women no longer know their own value, and thus are no longer worth loving or giving love to. Not all investments are bad; most pay off rather well. Hell, I've used I love you to keep a girl with me for a few extra months of great sex in the middle of a break up because I knew things were ending the end of that summer anyways. I made an investment for a short term gain and a long term loss, but didn't go all in or overcommit and so I walked away fine and unscathed.

[-] Wel108 0 Points 10 months ago

No it doesn't if your value remains high as a man, and as long as she is beneath you in status. Being in a LTR is hard work, you cannot slack off, and the higher you go in SMV as a partner, the harder is is to maintain.

[-] bobjoe177 1 Point 10 months ago

Value's where it's at; I once had an ltr break it off because she ( at 19 yrs old) entered 1st year uni as a biochem major and decided that she was going to become a neurologist. The mere potential of her smv rising above mine (in 5-10 years) became reasonable rationale in her mind to preemptively jump ship on me. Spoiler alert- she never bcame a doctor, my smv is still higher than hers, she would me crying in the middle of the night about "us" for 2 years afterwards.

[-] Zarplegon 1 Point 10 months ago

Human nature is selfish, we all want to be worshiped.

If you're meeting women who don't want to be loved, you need to take a good look in the mirror and figure out why it is that you seem to meet women who don't want to be loved.
More to the point, how can you stand having conversations with someone who doesn't love herself? Even sluts want to be loved. (Sometimes especially)

They just want you to prove to them that they have value, and to them that proof comes in the form of "taking" your commitment.

[-] THE__USURPER 1 Point 10 months ago

Meh.....Some fat ham was obsessively "in love" with me and as a male, it disgusted me. I think this is just true of human nature

[-] introvertp 0 Points 10 months ago

Be what she WANTS, not what she needs.

[-] choomguy -2 Point 10 months ago

TL;dr. Women and men define love differently.

[-] Chrisrus -4 Point 10 months ago

Absolute nonsense. Women want nothing more than to fall in love, get married, and live the rest of their lives in love. I shudder to think what what causes you to think like this.

[-] Cyralea 3 Points 10 months ago

Women want marriage because of the status and validation. Use some critical thought here; women are far more excited about the particulars of a marriage than the person they are marrying. They literally plan the weddings in their heads before they meet the person they marry.

You're at that crossroad. Challenge your pre-existing ideas, or run back to safety.

[-] Chrisrus 0 Points 10 months ago

When they have those dreams of weddings, they imagine they will be deeply in love with the man. Women fall in love all the time and love is typically extremely important to them. I can prove it.

[-] Cyralea 4 Points 10 months ago

What you are referring to as love isn't the same as male love. They are wrapped up in the excitement, the validation, the status. They live for this type of elevation of social status. She will be enamored with the person providing these things to her, but only for that provision.

Once a man has provided her the wedding, it's curious how that love quickly dissipates. Women want a wedding, not a marriage.

[-] Chrisrus 1 Point 10 months ago

Here, look at the Rainman Twins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNH46zvp_H8&index=3&list=PL145735F3391F90B0 skip to about 3 minutes in.

They are too autistic to possibly have any such motivations yet to deny that they are in love with Dick Clark is irrational.

Here, you may have seen this famous viral video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTCm8tdHkfI of Cody, the little girl you will agree is obviously desperately in love with Justin Bieber. She is obviously too young and mentally underdeveloped to have any such schemes about status and validation.

Women fall in love all the time, it's the nature of the beast. The fact that you can't see such an obvious thing means sad things about you.

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[-] Horus_Krishna_2 1 Point 10 months ago

it's kind of sad and painful to face the reality of the situation. love doesn't exist that's an abstract concept like god. dopamine goes off in our head when we're happy, and yeah it is based on sex and also the validation of others seeing you with an attractive mate. And for women cash is a major factor in what makes a guy attractive.

[-] Chrisrus 1 Point 10 months ago

You might want to check what scientists have published on the topic.

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[-] SmoothPrimal -6 Point 10 months ago

I'd consider this but this post and all the comments here all use a strawman argument.

You all assume all women are the same. Some women put more emphasis on money, some more emphasis on comfort, some more emphasis on whatever it is.

Each girl prefers to be "loved" differently just as us guys prefer to have our dicks stroked a certain way.

You can be poor, but still possess value from your pure sense of will. That is what makes you a man, the desire to push on and to overcome. What makes a woman a woman is femininity, which is her devotion to her man. Those two work hand in hand.

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