Short version:
A woman wrote a guide to how to successfully fuck for money. The rationalisations are... Exactly what you'd expect. This is another example of the open hypergamy Rollo describes. Women don't even try to hide it anymore it seems.
Body:
The book is called "fuck for money: why gold digging is safe and smart and why everyone should do it"
In th description of the book on Amazon, here's what the author (Nina York) writes:
It’s not easy these days to make ends meet. You work your backside off, but if you can make the rent at the end of the month it’s a miracle. What happened to your dreams of living the high life? Designer bags and shoes, long vacations in exotic locations, expensive lunches and beautiful dinners. What happened to the dream of never having to worry about money? Have you given up on it all? Has conforming to the socially acceptable rules of relationships and careers left you resigned to never, ever making it?
Yeah. Making rent is hard. And shoes are just soooo pretty. You should totally just fuck instead.
Why you should become a gold digger. No, I didn’t say ‘why you should become a prostitute.’ There’s a hell of a difference.
But is there really?
And if you’re open, honest, and take care to search out the right people, you can even do it without hurting a soul. Don’t listen to the voices of disapproval, with their stereotypical disgust and dismay.
Thank god women are known for their honesty, and gold-digging whores don't act like.... Gold-digging whores.
Clear the image of trashy, slutty ho's from your mind. Replace it with one of a hard-working, respectable woman, or man, who knows exactly what he or she wants and works hard to get it.
Lol.
when you do it right, your dignity will remain completely intact.
Yeah, by removing the crushing burden of dignity to begin with.
Lessons:
Women can and will rationalise anything to optimise their sexual duplicity.
Do not trust women.
Protect your assets.
tolerantman 8y ago
C'mon now, we all know at least 80% of women are gold diggers already, some are just more open about it
Entropy-7 8y ago
The real danger is not "gold diggers" but rather "silver diggers". A lot of punters on this reddit claim to pull a quarter million a year but the reality is that most guys have to work their ass off to crest six figures at all.
Enter the "silver digger". This is the chick who pushes you to work yourself into an early grave to support what she figures is an "appropriate" lifestyle. She doesn't necessarily want gold necklaces and Versace dresses but these days a house with a white picket fence runs a million in any major urban centre.
[deleted] 8y ago
Women seeking resources from a high value man? How novel. So what? That's exactly what traditionalists are looking for. Staying at home raising kids using your resources? Bad. Pay your own way! Working on a corporate career? Bad. You should be at home making babies! Seriously guys. Any kind of a relationship with women will require resources. And that's all women want from you. Get used to it.
PostingIsFutile 8y ago
They also want protection, although that's not so much of an issue these days. Still, if a bear wanders into the camp, expectations are on you to be the self-sacrificing hero, not her.
[deleted] 8y ago
And that's how it's always been. I wouldn't expect her to protect herself and children if I were there. Just as I don't expect them to be bread winners and be logical. That's just the way it is. Accept it or don't.
harami_number1 8y ago
The difference is that in the traditional way of doing things you get screwed in the family courts and live in a room eating instant noodles while she goes on shopping sprees with your alimony.
[deleted] 8y ago
If you're a traditionalist, don't complain about women having traditionalist views. If you're not, don't complain about them having corporate jobs.
The disconnect here is that TRP comes of as traditionalist, and then turns around and condemns women for traditionalist mindsets.
If you are a traditionalist do what it takes to find a woman that will stay and never stop gaming her. If you're not a traditionalist and just fuck girls on the CC, be prepared for an unexpected child and potential rape charges. Whatever you do, be prepared.
causeandcorrelation 8y ago
Yeah there does seem to be a contradiction on expectations here sometimes.
[deleted] 8y ago
Mostly because some people are traditionalists and others aren't. TRP is neither, but comes off as traditionalist because one of the unofficial mottos is "Women are only good at making babies."
Edit: another great contradiction is the idea you should bag as many women as possible, and then complain that you can't marry a virgin.
rporion 8y ago
You are not wrong.
However, I would consider it a success if most men thought in these terms.
Then, let the negotiations begin.
[deleted] 8y ago
Probably the biggest mistake you can make is not finding an intelligent woman. I have a RP sister who's getting her PHD. Yes she still ruled by her emotions, but she is smart enough to understand the dynamic and listen to reason after her emotions subside. Who realizes that with a PhD in stem, she will make more money than most men and has accepted that. Currently settling for a man that makes 30k a year at best. But is quite attractive.
She was raised by her mother married to her father for 30 years. A woman who's father was born on a chicken farm and raised during the great depression. Who's mother died when she was age four. From her father, back when men were men, she was raised with pride and self reliance. My sisters mother was more masculine than most women. Never wore makeup. Negotiated salaries like a man. Would never take handouts. Handled money frugally and was never into high end fashion. She had to support herself financially from the age of 18. She understood that if a man was paying her way financially that she would have the house clean and dinner ready when he got home. Who would do so even after 20 years of marriage.
There are smart women out there. You really have to vet them though. And for God's sake, they're still women. Don't expect a smart woman to act exactly as a smart man.
Moral of the story? There are women out there that are worthy of marriage. I do live in a smaller town in the Midwest USA. If you're living in a large city 500k+, good luck, but I doubt you'll find anything of worth.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Are you saying men should want a woman who's socially intelligent and intellectually not so much, or vice versa? Having both is a recipe for disaster. Having a RPW is a good or bad thing depending on if she's using her knowledge to be selfish and get away with being a slut and a cheat, or to be selfless for the sake of starting a family someday.
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A woman being smart and a sociopath is a recipe for disaster. Dread game destorys women's instinct to cheat, assuming you have enough relative value. It doesn't matter whether she has a uni degree or not or if she's religious or not. If she understands the male/female dynamic, whether on an intellectual or instinct, she's already ahead of most women. Then you vet for sociopathy.
If you do choose to get married, be prepared to get fucked. It's bound to happen on a long enough time line. Personally I would skip the country and say fuck it.
While I believe that of the two male reproduction strategies, raising your children will give them the best chance, going for sheer numbers and letting daddy government pay for it is much more viable in this time.
My mother and sister are not sociopaths. Both want/ed a family and never cared for vapid bullshit that most girls fall victim too. My mother understood the game on an instinctual level.* My sister understands it on an intellectual level that is confirmed by her feelings that, I assume, she is able to analyze rationally unlike most people.
beachbbqlover 8y ago
its not selfless for her to pursue a family, thats exactly her primary drive as it is yours, whether or not you accept or override it. the resources one is based more on her exposure to cooperative vs competitive resource environments, and the modern hypergamy and gold digging stems from capitalism pushing a competitive perspective.
burgundypill 8y ago
Your sister might be a great RPW, but I am certain most PhD-holding women are not RPW.
I am currently halfway through my PhD, and the women I work with are dreadful, hateful, feminists. I have become friends with them, which has been very useful in illustrating the principles I read on TRP. I've watched them for years hitting the cock carousel, and now they are struggling to find men because they are hitting their late 20s (other than a new one night stand every few weeks). None of them are in relationships, and haven't been for years. They share inane bullshit on facebook about how hard women have it in the workplace/society/politics.
My personal experience is that dumb women are more suitable. They are often more friendly and understand the benefits of gender roles.
[deleted] 8y ago
By no means does a PhD = marriage material. Simply stating that she's intelligent and driven enough to get one as well as understanding gender dynamics. Women rarely have a thought of their own and so them being complete shrills because of liberal indoctrination is no surprise. Personally if all she has to sell me with is a PhD, I'm gonna pass on it.
bokehnikon 8y ago
True, but women these days don't live up to their end of the bargain. They want to spend their best years CCing. They want to pursue a career and end up serving a "corporate boyfriend" during their most fertile years. Then, after she's had her fun, a woman wants a man to commit to her and play the provider role. Then she gets "bored" with the marriage and breaks up a family to seek new thrills, while grabbing child support and alimony prizes.
The traditional marriage sought by some men entails meeting a worthy woman when she is young, not after she's been CC'd and worn out by the corporate grind.
Any kind? Ask Chad, who gets his soft harem to cook for him and buy things for him while he gets no strings attached sex from them.
dazed111 8y ago
I would ask, but Ive never met him
Natural_RP 8y ago
Not to be a dick, but I am him. This works when you give them the tingles though plenty of girls balk when first told to do womanly things like cook.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Start improving your social circle, or become the chad of your social circle like I did. If you bring a woman into your life, and she sees you have a sexy toned body and a fuckload of confidence and then sees your friends and housemates as people who are complete slobs and recluses, it lowers your SMV. However, if they are overweight, for example, but clean and friendly people who go out and follow you as the social leader, then it increases your SMV because even if your entire social circle has very low SMV, you're still the alpha of the pack.
Take a fraternity: there will always be the shy guys who got in for a myriad of reasons but aren't crushing every other day; there's the fat guys who drink a lot and pull the girls who are a little too wasted but they have the confidence to get some tail (especially with trending dad-bod vomits); there's the gym bro athletes who are good people with gorgeous sorority girlfriends; there's the gym bro athletes who are 'badass' who fuck the slutty sorority chicks on rotation like they have a schedule; lastly there is the frat president who pulls the most power and has to date the sorority president for social reasons but who still gets eye-balled by every girl on campus because unlike the alpha fuck 'badasses' and the alpha bux 'happy relationship' guys, he's one of the alphas of the campus, and carries that respect with him.
Sure everyone's school and frat or whatever has differences... But that's the stereotypical social hierarchy in a nutshell.
Spotting chads is easy though, even off campuses. You'll see them in corporate offices a few rungs higher on the ladder than you. You'll see them at sports bars where all the people who still think they are in college are all hanging out. You'll see them on the train to work negging their model-looking girlfriend because everyone else tells her she's pretty. You'll see them in the gym, SBTY (still bigger than you). Just open your eyes.
pmmedenver 8y ago
I think the answer to this is empowering men. You're saying that women don't commit when their younger because they have more SMV, but we have more SMV when we're older, so if they don't commit then neither do we. They'll learn their lesson if we as men grow some balls and teach them.
bokehnikon 8y ago
Partly so for the above reason, but also because that's the modern trend nowadays. Feminism and the popular consensus tells the American female their late teens and early 20s are times to experiment, have fun, go to school . . . anything but start the LTR mate search.
Women unfortunately "learn their lesson" too late, after-the-fact.
[deleted] 8y ago
Yes women are wanting their cake and eating it too. So as a traditionalist, what should he do? Look for pre college 18 year olds. Move out of large cities into small city >150k people America. Or look overseas and make sure you don't get a girl that would be a 10 here because she'll learn quick that she's worth more. Or move to a more RP country.
Complaining about the system is what women do. Men take action in their benefit instead of bitching about circumstances.
Also Chad's resource is his time. If his SMV is so high that he even has them around they are being validated. He makes them cook, or buy him things? He must like her cooking and want her gifts. Sex is fun and all, but the last thing I want to do for the next 20 years is chase women in circles.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Chase money in circles and chase weights up. Then chase them down. Then up again though. Oh but down. Ooooh chase it up again quick. Oh and down again there it goes bye weights
[deleted] 8y ago
Yes the circle jerk of life. That's why I'm dropping out and going to sit under a tree.
Edit: I don't see the point in circlejerking around girls. Not my cup of tea. That doesn't mean other men can't. If that's what you want to do, I can't stop you.
MyLittleAtomBomb 8y ago
I don't understand how men continously fall for these women.
All you have to do to test what her interest in you is withdraw debit card access.
Yet so many girls I knew who were massive sluts in high school and college are getting hitched with these guys who own beachfront property.
It's fucking flabbergasting
steelerfaninperu 8y ago
I've probably posted these words a thousand times, but I'll make it 1001.
Most people are stupid.
Once you appreciate that, the world makes much more sense.
acetylcysteine 8y ago
let those guys be miserable...
[deleted] 8y ago
They will be miserable and they won't own that beachfront property for long.
[deleted] 8y ago
Back in the 1990s and 2000s there were these hacker groups who would look for any vulnerabilities in major operating systems and other pieces of software. When they discovered such a vulnerability they would not develop a solution, or write a paper warning the corporation (usually Microsoft), or a media press release that they discovered this security flaw. No they did much better. They developed a piece of software which enabled a user to maximize the damage they could to do a system and made it super easy to use. They then distributed this piece of software for free so within a few weeks there would be tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of school yard hackers using this software to fuck up their school computers, their friend's computers, their family member's computers. Now the big corporation has their users constantly being fucked and they have no choice but to deal with this problem head on. Their users know they are fucked and now they have to change and ANY vulnerability will be uncovered and exploited as much as possible. Fix your shit.
I see these guides to hypergamy as sort of analogy to that. While these may cause short term pain for a lot of dudes who get fucked and women who try and fail, these guides will ultimately be what cause everyone to reassess this whole marriage thing and the divorce laws that go with it.
If anything these guides need to be better. More strategic. How to manipulate guys who have resources, how to manipulate judges, how and when to divorce. A systematic guide to finding a wealthy guy, getting the wealthy guy to fall in love with you and marry you, things to do during the marriage that will maximize your payout and minimize his ability to hide assets, when to start having children within the marriage, how and when to divorce him to absolutely maximize total payout.
Women are taking advantage of vulnerabilities and once its brought to the forefront perhaps laws can be changed. The attitude of the guide needs to be that the legal system is nothing more than a system to exploit for your own gain. Right now women mostly hypergamy off instinct and a few poorly put together ideas. For as much as women do it, they are seriously bad at it as a whole. If they wanted to they could exploit men and the system much much more than they are currently doing.
Such a guide should be read by every single 18 year old girl and guy in the country. Girls so they know what they are doing and guys so they will ask themselves "does she happen to love me or did she read the book and is acting this way because I am in medschool?"
[deleted] 8y ago
It's true. Men as a group will only let go of their naivete when they've witnessed the destruction themselves.
[deleted] 8y ago
A lot of men become retards when they think a woman loves them. 55 year old millionaire who think his 32 year old girlfriend him for him and money has nothing to do with it. You would think these guys would be smarter. But they are not.
[deleted] 8y ago
When has gold digging ever not been open?
When that one legged whore Heather Mills married the veritable saint Paul McCartney and made a baby and then a few years later tried to get a half billion dollars of Beatles money no one batted a fucking eye.
She made all kinds of obviously false claims about her "violent" 70+ year old husband so she could pressure him into giving her his fortune.
In the end she only got 45 million bucks which is 45 million more and a kick in the cunt less than she should have gotten.
She was the most obvious and venal of gold diggers and yet did legislators leap to pass laws protecting men from such obvious con-artists?
Fuck no.
It's always been open and the only thing "hidden" about it when when a woman pretends she's not a gold digger to make it easier to get her hooks in a man's assets.
Any woman who marries a man who makes more than her and then expects him to make the greater financial contribution to the relationship while she enjoys her nice comfy job and easy home time is a fucking gold digger.
If a woman isn't paying 50/50 for everything then she's a gold digger.
pmmedenver 8y ago
Women who demand to be purchased deserve to be treated like property.
chocobaby 8y ago
All very true points. There is no point in anger however. This is how the species is set up. The red pill, is a bitter pill, but once swallowed can lead to a better position in the endless battle. Good luck out there.
PrimaxAUS 8y ago
It's terminally ingrained in society. I get shit from my GFs Chinese parents all the time about this, despite making 6 figures. It's caused me to nearly totally lose respect for them - I look after her really well but they're just so fucking thirsty.
MyNameIsNotMichael 8y ago
A nation of spaghetti eaters cannot restore Roman civilization!
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
bitches can hardly make ramen
Luckyluke23 8y ago
when she says fuck for money, she means have beta throw there credit cards at her right?
also, can a guy be a gold digger? i mean if the women is semi-decent looking AND has money, she can pretty much choose from the top 1% of dudes right?
how far ON would you have to be, to be a male gold digger?
rporion 8y ago
There is a difference between that and prostitution.
When it comes to prostitution, what you see is what you get.
[deleted] 8y ago
And what you get is Chlamydia.
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I'm only half kidding. At least with a whore they're just as concerned about protection as you. You never know with a gold digger. Someone who is so veiled with their intentions is less trustworthy than a whore.
intuition25 8y ago
"The most expensive sex is free sex." - Woody Allen
aazav 8y ago
You get what you pay for and then you walk away.
thiasus 8y ago
It's the same with gold diggers, the problem is that the plugged in can not see. Gold diggers put everything there on display: what they want, what they are doing to get it, what kind of person they are. Men who fall for it are not deceived by the gold digger, they are deceived by decades of social programming that make them superimpose images of idyllic relationships over the reality they have in front of them.
It's the reason why even johns can fall in love with their prostitutes even as they know she's in it for the money. Decades of Disney-type social conditioning makes them still yearn for that magical happily ever after, which they project on their life.
rporion 8y ago
I am not disagreeing you per se, but I do believe that it makes a difference whether she does her very best to deceive you, or whether you do your very best to deceive yourself.
I am of course aware that prostitution involves a certain amount of deception, but there is a difference between making you believe that you have the wonder cock that can do no wrong vs feelings being involved.
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EarthExile 8y ago
Yup. Prostitute is a job. Gold digging is a hustle.
Bufflegends 8y ago
best comparison I've read to date.
aazav 8y ago
Whether it is a hustle or not, it doesn't mean you have to respect it.
You can note it and choose to regard it as a low level scam that the hustler has to do - because that is the most they are capable of.
This marks it as displaying limits of the scammer. That is all they have. They are playing all their cards and there is nothing else they can offer.
That, that is pathetic and to be regarded with derision.
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aazav 8y ago
A leech, lamprey, tapeworm, a blood sucker who feeds until she can leave to find a better host.
[deleted] 8y ago
And when you're just a corpse she cries the victim because: you ran out of blood, didn't put blood aside just in case she drank all of it, etc.
aazav 8y ago
I just evicted a tenant's wife today who sucked his money, cheated on him, never saved anything and is now fucked because fear of her destruction of his property.
Leeches. Opportunistic leeches.
[deleted] 8y ago
You were downvoted for some reason. I think we have some BPers floating around in here.
eaton80 8y ago
And that's when the Family Court tells you to get 3 jobs so you can keep paying her the alimonies, plus a life insurance contract to keep paying from beyond the grave should you die sooner than her.
beachbbqlover 8y ago
leave the country. life on a tropical island aint half bad.
7thsonofthe7thson 8y ago
I'm not surprised this book came out. I'm just surprised it came out this late...
Schroef 8y ago
It's only a matter of time until men start writing guides on how to get laid more and use women just for sex. Oh wait.
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elevul 8y ago
That's a fair point, but it's a small niche compared to how mainstream gold-digging is.
Schroef 8y ago
Well... On this subreddit, you would start believing that, but I haven't met any gold diggers in my dating life. So in my experience, both redpillers and gold diggers are virtually non-existent.
I think the difference between guys on this subreddit and my experiences is caused by the fact that redpilling (if you excuse the term) is a self fulfilling prophecy, in that if you treat girls as if they were superficial and gold digging, you will only get girls that are exactly like that.
sacbite 8y ago
Ha. Schroef, you are so right. I use Red Pill as a tool to understand female behaviour (which I never got from my upbringing or culture, which is, as RP so rightly says, designed for gallantry and chivalry, not clear-eyed understanding of the female soul.) RP is also great to game and strategize as a Machiavellian, but the fury and anger at women here is ridiculous. Men and women can be equally asshole-ish. RP tactics can level the playing field, but then you need a good heart, real love and kindness. Women aren't the enemy - they just need to be clearly understood and managed.
elevul 8y ago
Perhaps you haven't paid enough attention? Afterall, the TRP material continuously stresses on the fact that women are the best actors in the game.
That's a very interesting position, and it might have some truth to it.
But it could be also that if you expose the women for what they are (superficial and gold digging) they don't bother lying and acting with you anymore, thus showing off their true colours.
Schroef 8y ago
So what are you saying? That all the girls I met ARE secretly gold diggers? do you honestly, really believe that? If so, how do you explain that my gf earns quite a bit more than I do?
Really? All (or most) women are superficial and gold digging? Man, you have a depressing view of the world.
I think you (and many on this subreddit) completely miss what women are actually attracted to.
elevul 8y ago
What I am saying is that we're tools for women, "human doings" as Sandman puts it. If she's still with you then you provide her with something she values, whether that's your wallet, your house, your emotional stability or your social status.
All women are superficial, and all women are attracted to SMV. And SMV is the result of an equation of many parameters, of which the size of your bank account is one.
Please, enlighten us.
Schroef 8y ago
So what you're saying is, my girl is with me because I have something to offer, and that 'something' can be all kinds of different things. So girls go for guys that have something to offer.
No shit.
But I wouldn't count that as gold digging. Gold digging to me is: a girl is with a guy because he has a certain monetary value, regardless of his character or looks.
Being rich, looking good, having lots of female attention are all the effect of the same cause: being a strong-willed man with a backbone, looking out for number one. By thinking girls are attracted to a man because he is rich you are confusing cause and effect.
A lot of red pillers fake the characteristics of this kind of man, with the sole purpose of scoring as many girls as possible. Their self esteem is depending on it. You can see it in quite a few posts here, they go something like: "I slipped up, regressed a little to beta mannerisms, and the girl immediately lost interest! I stepped up, and now she's into me again and my self esteem is saved. Redpill is right!" But by doing this, they are the flip side of the beta coin: your self esteem and daily life is still revolving around the approval from girls.
elevul 8y ago
Thing is, how do you separate women who go for rich males without being attracted to them from women who are attracted to rich males because of money improving a man's SMV through improvement in his social standing?
Bull. Fucking. Shit. Look at the rich kids who are born with the silver spoon. How many of them actually have any backbone? Yet, despite the lack of it, how much hot pussy are they smashing on a regular basis?
True, but that doesn't change what women are attracted to, as they are still successful with that PUA acting.
Schroef 8y ago
Agreed, that can be hard. But I think experience(s) will get you better instincts, gut feeling, whatever you want to call it to weed out the fakers. That will never work 100%, but I think it's important to not let the bad experiences make you bitter or defensive. Getting hurt is part of life, and as long as somebody is not intentionally hurting me, I can't really blame them. But I had to learn that.
And there will always be fakers, and they can go entertain themselves with other fakers.
You're right in the sense that rich kids can be spoiled, irresponsible, whiny even. However, they do have a backbone: they look out for number one, they don't take no shit from others, and they're confident, because they are used to getting their way (and they have the means in getting it). If a girl (or anyone) is a bitch or flaky, they're gonna call her out on it. They are strong-willed in the sense that if they want something, they go out and get it. But long term, their behavior is shallow-- those rich kids aren't very happy once they're 45.
Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying "faking it" won't work: it does, that's why red pill exists. But it works for short term, shallow relationships. Men and women are attracted to first impressions, and if you exhibit the 'attractive' traits, it will attract people. But this is like poorly renovating a house with bad foundations: it looks good for a couple of years, but sooner or later it will come crumbling.
If you want to be happy in the long term, have good relationships in the long term, you need the foundation to be good-- you need the attractive traits to come from within, not as learned tricks.
Is what I think :-)
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MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
Look at your friends and relatives... those in 5+ year marriages or with 5+ yr old kids.
Get to know them, really well. Hear the wife's side of the story. Listen to how she talks about herself, her family, her husband. Listen patiently to all the justifications, rationalisations, petty putdowns, emotional abuses. Listen patiently and understandingly to all of it.
And then think "is this what I want for myself?"
All of those men also thought "wow, I've got myself a unicorn here, all those other guys were so wrong about women".
[deleted] 8y ago
Don't loose hope, lose it. Lol
I'm sorry, I don't know why this one bugs me so much.
Seriously though, just stay red, and always hold your ground. Still, marriage is a terrible idea. It flips the power dynamic on its head. Even a prenup isn't a guarantee.
[deleted] 8y ago
That's pretty much what swallowing the Red Pill is; you are seeing the reality, not the fantasy.
[deleted] 8y ago
The myth of the "good woman" was put there for you to succumb to by our society.
Isaiah4verse1 8y ago
You lost faith in Santa Claus years ago. Put this into perspective.
eaton80 8y ago
There is no "ever after". That's only in children's storybooks.
LoveYourSelfish 8y ago
Prostitutes have always been around, I believe it is a contender for the earliest profession in fact. AWALT doesn't mean AWAProssies.
Mate guarding is weak, weedy, pathetic. But she is a creature of hypergamy, in a society that now accepts hypgermany.. tough times buddy!
There is no chance I would let a chick who is with a member of the yakuza or the cartel fuck me.
Fairy tale endings are a lie, but feeling good with a girl is a damn sweet feeling.
It's tricky, and some men will fuck your girl just to fuck you sometimes.
Use your noodle, use both your noodles, maybe you can carve something decent out of your life. Maybe.
pooyah_me 8y ago
Maybe you could try getting off misogynistic subs and dating women for more than just sex
thiasus 8y ago
Good. You should lose faith in the idea that people are inherently good, and that something like a 'good woman' can exist. You can only find a woman, with all the instincts that pertain to her species and gender (including hypergamy), who through virtue of circumstance, upbringing and disposition is less likely to fuck you over. But there are never guarntees or sure things, and there is never a point where you are done and you can just trust her to stay faithful and loving. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you can devise more realistic strategies to go about your goals.
[deleted] 8y ago
Life actually became easier for me when I expected only the worse from women and men. Guys will fuck me over for a promotion, women will deny sex as long as they can, expect nothing good from people and all of a sudden they stop disappointing you. Then when someone does do something properly or treat you in a positive manner it's a nice surprise. It's not as bad as it sounds really, people will claim this is paranoia or constant cynicism but it works for me and my stress levels dropped. Someone pulls a shitlord move oh well, I half-expected it at least. Greatly shortens anger phases.
ProductivityMonster 8y ago
people are neither inherently good nor bad. They are selfish.
balancespec2 8y ago
This. Altruism is an illusion. If the action didn't give you a positive feeling (pride for doing good) or relieve a negative one (guilt for not helping), you wouldn't do it.
SILENTSAM69 8y ago
Don't lose faith, just maintain frame.
I currently have a woman that is pretty good and we have three kids now.
She cooks and cleans and I work. The funny thing is she laughs that she was once a bisexual feminist who was going to join the military. Now she is my little house wife.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Still used goods in the grand scheme of things, no offense to your happiness. Women can and will change and mature, it just takes them longer than it does for men. At least you understand you don't have a unicorn, just a reformed slut who now makes you happy, which as TRP teaches us, actually makes her happy in turn. You can't have a woman use the words "bisexual feminist" and not have expected an extra dirty experimentation phase between 16 and 22 in this day and age, though. Unless you magically took her hymen, she's lied to you about her past, even if she's given you a more honest version of it.
Just make sure to keep an eye on infidelity; I laid pipe to some hot married chick with kids I met on a 'girls night out' for the sole purpose of proving that was why she was really out and about to my female friend/ wing-woman. Afterwards I asked her what type of woman she considered herself, since the hamster is always failing to function first thing after sex. "Well I used to be a bisexual feminist and honestly a big party girl, but then I met my husband, and I changed so much... he's the love of my life. He changed my outlook on men. I don't even work anymore, just raise the kids and stay at home and I've never been happier!" "So why are you still doing things like this?" "The house gets boring... I don't know, I miss the thrill... The way you wanted me at the bar made me feel young and sexy and desirable again" bites my arm and I asked her to leave since she should probably get back to her family before they get suspicious. Obviously I'm paraphrasing a little bit and leaving out the beforehand questions about her opinions on feminism nowadays... But this was pretty much the exact conversation we had. I remember it so well because of how predictable it was.
Man TRP is bleak sometimes. Once a slut, always a slut.
RPmatrix 8y ago
they don't even have to have been sluts to get to this pov!
AFAIK it's most female's SOP
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Make Money, learn Spanish/Chinese/Japanese, and go find one in South America or Asia and live there.
7Tomus 8y ago
South America is total shit hole full of retards. I'm here atm and cant wait to get back to civilization.
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steelerfaninperu 8y ago
You are correct, but who cares? That means you're just higher up on the charts. I love being smarter than the vast majority of the people surrounding me. You know how useful that is?
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Maybe that's because you're not attractive to women?
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You sound like a beta cuck to me.
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monsieurhire2 8y ago
"What happened to your dreams of living the high life? Designer bags and shoes, long vacations in exotic locations, expensive lunches and beautiful dinners. What happened to the dream of never having to worry about money?"
I'd like to take the opportunity to point several things out:
These dreams are a product of television advertisements, either through commercials, or through shows like Sex and the City, which advertise women living the high life and hypergamously pursuing high-earning men in New York City as a "normal" lifestyle or as an aspirational one, depending on what rung of the socio-economic ladder the woman is born into. If she's rich, she wants to maintain her "normal," and also needs role-models to emulate to do so; if she's poor she wants to have a nice lifestyle that she's constantly seeing shown to her, but that she never gets to experience. I grew up affluent, but I voluntarily experienced several kinds of poverty, some out of ignorance, some out of stupidity, and some as an experiment, and let me tell you: it fucking sucks. And another thing, it quickly becomes apparent that the system wants to keep poor people poor. It's constantly ripping them off: low wages, union-busting, taxes, high prices relative to wages on necessities. It's like piranhas eating a cow. It takes adamantium discipline and luck to escape from poverty.
The "dreams" created by the television are the product of rich people who have never-ending supplies of money relative to the common person. They create these dreams to control people. They want people to chase money, but never get wealthy. If you are wealthy, its like you have a never ending stream of money coming in because you own so many things of value that produce revenues for you: businesses, stock, bonds, land that you rent out, royalties, etc. Accordingly, with this revenue stream, you can buy and sell everyone and everything, as long as they are poor and need money to live. In order to keep a steady supply of wage-slaves, you need to coerce them into overpaying for necessities, and persuade them into buying frivolous luxury items. Everyone is subject to economic coercion, but only the poor really experience how coercive it is because their money buys them so little. The middle classes have to be impoverished through persuasion, and that's where the luxury goods marketing comes into play. For the super-rich, luxury goods are trinkets that they can toss out like crumbs because they own the means of production.
The super-rich want people to be materialistic and gold-digging because they own all the gold, and if people are constantly seeking that gold, it gives them power. Imagine if nobody wanted money or gold or luxury goods! The rich would lose any insane amount of political power. To insure that won't happen, they economically coerce everyone into working for a living to buy the necessities. As a caveat, people who can afford to live can also afford to reproduce, and it becomes a never-ending problem for the elites to keep enough people occupied to not create political instability that would threaten their position. So things aren't entirely under their control, but rather they have to ride the tiger and harness and channel natural forces like the individual en masse's independent will to sexual reproduction.
With regard to point 3., rich men WANT women to be whores for money. Sure, they may say otherwise, but why else would they accumulate all that wealth? Just for the "challenge?" Some would. But it's pretty obvious that wealth attracts women. In a socialist society, where wealth is evenly distributed and the necessities and even some "luxuries" are affordable to most people, extreme wealth doesn't go as far in terms of buying off women. The quality and quantity of the women the rich can buy off goes down. Their money has less power. If you have a culture where the women are moral, non-materialistic, and spiritual, the most attractive ones won't select mates based purely on income. On the other hand, the more wealth inequality, the more that extreme wealth can buy because everyone is poor and needs to toady to the rich to get ahead. And usually material poverty is a product of spiritual poverty, where people are corrupted and then can't work themselves into a material surplus.
untonyto 8y ago
Simply epic breakdown this. Kinda motivating too - in a chilling way.
steelerfaninperu 8y ago
Unless said working class stiff gets off his ass, goes to the gym, ups his game, and gives her more tingles than Mr. Pennybags got gold.
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[deleted] 8y ago
Nice treatise on capitalism, thank you.
monsieurhire2 8y ago
Thanks. It's more like one of the dark sides of capitalism's excesses. I mean, the capitalists COULD get together and decide that they want to live in a society with some moral standards and restrict their predatory inclinations, but nope, straight greed that leads to debauchery. I think it has something to do with population control, where the technocrats who run things decide to let the capitalists go hog-wild at certain intervals to cull the population. One generation gets fleeced, another gets slaughtered for meat.
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I think it's a lot less black and white than that. Capitalism works really well as its the only form of society that takes account for humanity's more troublesome traits: avarice and ambition.
Everyone wants the best for themselves and them alone. Socialist policies only get enacted when the majority is downtrodden, I.e. current politics, whereas right wing ideals are enacted when everyone is doing well, I.e. the 1920s.
If we actually let ourselves slaughter half the population to keep things equal, the world is in a way worse off position than it is, overpopulation and other problems breed innovation to solve said problems, the impetus being the ability to become wealthy off of your work.
The effects of long term capitalism are shit, but the effects of long term any government have been shit. Look at Russia, communism ended up with winners and losers just like everywhere else.
Humans are in it for themselves, society is just a loose framework to keep us from killing one another.
monsieurhire2 8y ago
I think that capitalism was implemented to harness the productivity of a large population to achieve a high level of technological sophistication in a relatively short period of time. However, that population is now employed, in essence, to "train its replacements" in the form of AI and robots. You can say people will find new forms of work, but large swathes of the population will simply be redundant. I have trouble believing the elites will allow a population of billions to grow even larger and endanger their lifestyle when said population can be replaced by obedient robots and AIs with less trouble. I think they can design a post-capitalist society that doesn't require perpetual growth. If we ever figure out a way to leave the planet and colonize other worlds, then maybe the population will be allowed to grow again. We experience big population growth precisely because of the "New World" that was discovered 4 centuries ago.
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Capitalism came about after the abundance of resources and lack of humans from the plague in medieval Britain. Mercantilism, rather, but it's ultimately semantic at that point. It is not a system designed for scarce resources and abundant humans, but the opposite.
Yes millions of humans are going to become chaff, but look around you: lots of us already are.
There won't be a revolution just increasingly numb populations as we turn to simulated realities to escape our shitty lives. Truck drivers are going to be unemployed in the near future, we can watch what happens to them to see how robotics will affect the rest of us.
Population is irrelevant at this point. Most westerners are just mindless consumers.
monsieurhire2 8y ago
Yep. But the real question will be if people will have enough children under these circumstance to grow the population so that increasing numbers of people are living in the simulated realities a la matrix.
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HughMannity 8y ago
Absolutely correct, & we wouldn't have it any other way, thank you!
redpillbanana 8y ago
Because gold digging can be way more profitable.
A while back there was a submission: Hedge-Fund Tycoon Hohn’s Wife Gets $530 Million Divorce Payout
As I mentioned in that thread: with that money, he could have paid for a $1000/hr prostitute 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 60 years.
Even with more "normal" divorces, many men are angry to discover that for the amount they're paying out in the settlement, they could have been serviced well and often by a large variety of mid-level prostitutes for the entire length of their sexless marriage (and maybe more).
ShitlerParty 8y ago
You don't pay them for the sex, you pay them to get the fuck out when you're done.
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One of my dad's business partners is a good friend of mine and had a buddy who got a divorce. He was well off. He went and calculated how many times they had sex and then figured out how much money he lost in the divorce. It was well over $500 per lay.
RidleySmith 8y ago
Holy shit. Never thought about it like that before. God damn does the argument for MGTOW seem solid.
MEANMUTHAFUKA 8y ago
Wow..... That's some sobering math.
BlueFreedom420 8y ago
It's amazing how blue pill these rich guys can be.
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vvancruz 8y ago
Wise words. 1/2 is 1/2 and hurts regardless how much or how little you make.
[deleted] 8y ago
I would assume it hurts more the less you make up to a point.
garlicextract 8y ago
Yeah... That's what he actually did, if you think about it. Except it was more lie $2000/hr
redpillbanana 8y ago
Interesting way of looking at it. Worst $2k/hr prostitute ever.
no_face 8y ago
For the average schlub:
maid service 4x a week = $400/month
restaurant bills $20/day or so= $600/month
sex $500/week = $2000/month
So your net cost would be about $3000/month or $36000/yr
thiasus 8y ago
The average schlub doesn't get a woman who cleans his house and cooks his meals, this isn't the twenties anymore.
grewapair 8y ago
Most of my ex gfs couldn't boil water. They were incensed when a proposal wasn't forthcoming.
What I finally did was to move into a small 1 bedroom apartment that I can clean in 5 minutes a day. Cheaper to live in something small and I don't need any help.
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Luckyluke23 8y ago
if you made like 100k 130K would be very doable IMO
eaton80 8y ago
Cheaper than marriage+divorce+alimony. Would be even cheaper if one learns to cook a la Tom Leykis.
Also can't beat the variety and peace of mind.
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Luckyluke23 8y ago
if i ever make that kind of money, you know i'm going out like charlie sheen.
hookers and blow everywhere... why have one ho when you can have them all?
redpillbanana 8y ago
There was actually a guy on Reddit who (if you believe his story) was going to Mexico to off himself. He ended up in a brothel and had his first threesome. Suddenly things started looking up in his life and he decided to live.
Luckyluke23 8y ago
so your saving move to mexico and do hookers and blow?
I saw that guy it was a pretty cool stroy.
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[deleted] 8y ago
Recently there was a Chinese billionaire who bought a famous half Russian/half Japanese porn star for $5 million euros on a 15 year contract. This guy is doing it right.
Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-3083293/Chinese-billionaire-pays-5million-hire-Japanese-porn-star-personal-assistant-15-years.html
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Well today I learned japanese people need to intermingle with Russian people and produce more hot women for the world.
5t3fan0 8y ago
wouldnt be smarter to sign 3 leases of 5 years each for 1/3 of the price with 3 different gals?
pornstars do age like other humans right?
i guess the dude must REALLY like this one special woman
redpillbanana 8y ago
Rola Misaki is the porn star mentioned in the article.
Damn. Some billionaires know exactly the right thing to do with their money.
thiasus 8y ago
$300.000 a year is $820 a day. For that much you can fuck a pantone palette of different women, and their looks won't fade over 15 years unlike his chick. This guy is a sucker, just a higher class of sucker.
Iordnikkon 8y ago
This is more to show off than anything. Plenty of Chinese men have to do this to make up for other "inadequacies"
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When you are a billionaire $5 million is nothing. Rich people don't mind spending money on toys as long as they enjoy them.
[deleted] 8y ago
Considering he is a multibillionaire, 5 mil is chump change to him.
Also, who said he's exclusive with this woman? Dude has a fucking harem of women waiting for his dick considering how rich he is. He's not a sucker, this is the equivalent of paying $10 to hire a prostitute that you can stick your dick in whenever you like.
burgundypill 8y ago
Exactly. Plus, even when you're fucking a bunch of different women, sometimes we all get suckered in with oneitis when we want one pussy on the reg. This arrangement prevents that.
tedted8888 8y ago
Yes and no. IMO this is sort of like politicians saying we reduced the budget, when you find out that their original budget had a deficit of 1 trillion and the new budget has a deficit of 0.8 trillion. They saved 200 Billion!.
Women offer more than just warm fleshlight. There is a certain amount of companionship, bragging rights, trophy, decoration and beauty that cant be quantified by a $/hr. But if shes not offering the sex, shes probably not offering anything else. Only we can decide if we want to spend the time and effort to find a high quality woman, or we just want to pay for prostitutes.
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
Pretty sure if you're paying a prostitute 1,000$/hr 24/7 for 60 years for the otherwise same price as your divorce settlement, she's going to do her damn best to make sure she looks like the hottest arm candy in the room.
thiasus 8y ago
Sure they can. There are escorts who'll talk to you about the fine points of stoicism, entertain your friends as the most charming hostesses and look like a classier brand of swimsuit model, all for a hefty hourly rate.
tedted8888 8y ago
Psychologists are cheaper than whore and more intelligent to talk to
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"Women offer more than just warm fleshlight."
I have to admit. I'm curious of how the designers of the fleshlight toy didn't think to include a scaled down heating system like the ones you find inside heated blankets or maybe car seats and motorcycle grips.
cptspiffy 8y ago
It's like the George Foreman grill when it didn't come with removable cooking surfaces. Wait until everyone buys one, then come out with the killer app that makes everyone buy it again.
BrunoOh 8y ago
Put it in hot water beforehand.
choikwa 8y ago
you my friend have a great business idea. patent this thing!
Tman5691 8y ago
Nobody wants a heating coil that close to their junk.
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Still less harmful compared to fucking a crazy bitch.
[deleted] 8y ago
Some knob could fall asleep during the fap process with his little man stuck in the fleshlight.
This could lead to a fire outbreak or serious burn which could cause several lawsuits lol!
[deleted] 8y ago
This actually makes sense!
I suppose they thought of it and it probably wasn't worth the risk.
Natural_RP 8y ago
The modern woman only offers sex and bragging rights if she is hot enough. I don't know about you but that is not enough.
tedted8888 8y ago
Your either young or burned out. There are quality women if you look around places other than bars and clubs.
Natural_RP 8y ago
I am youngish but I find my women everywhere. Regardless it doesn't mean I'm wrong.
redzorp 8y ago
This is a beta mentality and a large part of why we are in this mess today.
Can't be quantified by $/hr? But that is EXACTLY what women and BDG have done. They have quantified it. They say all those things are worth half of everything you are worth today and half of everything you will be worth over the next 7-20 years, or in some states - over the REST OF YOUR LIFE.
Also, many of those same elements: companionship, bragging rights, status etc... are given by the man to the woman. So this is an EVEN EXCHANGE. Why in the hell should only one gender pay the other for these things? This is the age-old disease of putting pussy on a pedestal. You (and most men in the world, unfortunately) think that women are the prize. That's pure beta.
You are the prize, not woman
Btw, not attacking you. Just pointing out that your sentiment is exactly the type of thinking that has led us to where we are now.
Ifuckinglovepron 8y ago
Well, it is pointless to argue whether you can put a dollar amount or not,
but if you don't understand that there are benefits other than sex to having an LTR with a quality woman, you are either fooling yourself or have never been there.There is social capital, for one, the image of stability, and the connections that her father and the rest of her family can provide (remember for LTR you want to go for the highest social class possible, no solid family, run.).
There is a level of companionship and beyond just that if you structure the relationship correctly, the instinctual nature of a man living as biology intended. There are rewards that are hard to put in words, almost paternalistic, that come from "training" for lack of a better word, her and helping to make sure she grows into a good partner. (If you are not doing this in an LTR, you will have a bad time.).
So no, it is not beta to find value beyond sex in relationships. I am in one and had some natural instincts of how to do it right, but since getting into TRP and applying it over thee last 2 years my relationship has become very rewarding to me.
redzorp 8y ago
Jeebus...when did I ever state or imply that there are no benefits other than sex in an LTR? When? Where?
Obviously there are other benefits, as you have partially listed.
What I have emphatically stated, and what no one has contradicted, is that these benefits are a TWO-WAY STREET.
Both partners give and take in equal measures. And actually, if you really analyze things, the man typically gives more.
I never said it is beta to find value beyond sex. I instead stated that it is (very) beta to believe that women give greater intangible values to relationships than men. What is so hard to understand about that? Or are some men so irretrievably indoctrinated that they cannot compute this simple notion?!
So finally, if women do NOT in fact input greater value to a relationship (i.e. she does not give the man more than she herself is receiving from said man) then it makes no sense to financially compensate her in the form of alimony for these so-called "benefits" after the dissolution of a relationship.
In other words: If I give you $100. And you give me $100. Then both parties are EVEN and none owes the other anything upon dissolution of the relationship.
And so nobody gets confused, the $100 in the above metaphor represents everything given in a typical relationship: financial support, emotional support, affection, sex, etc., etc.
Ifuckinglovepron 8y ago
Whoa, okay.
Reread your comment and I did misinterpret it at first. You are right, it is mostly an even exchange. For the record I have always tried to make it slightly uneven in my favor.
But hey, I stand by my points even if they were in an argumentative tone that was unwarranted.
tedted8888 8y ago
When you do unpaid internship or volunteer work can you quantify the value of ur labor? I'd argue not and I don't think that's beta. There are connections, skills and other subtle and hidden values gained that can't be quantified. To look at the situation superficially, I think we would both argue is a beta mindset.
aDrunkenWhaler 8y ago
Yes, you definitely can quantify internship and voluntere work. If people wouldn't do it for free, employers would have to hire someone to do that job, and pay them a number. They don't pay them because most people are stupid enough to work just for the promise of future benefits or a feel good 'I'm saving the world' imaginary badge. In 99% of cases that is horseshit and just a good way to get free labor.
redzorp 8y ago
Agreed that certain values can't be quantified.
But why are you ascribing greater worth to these unquantifiable values in favor of the woman over the man?
The man also adds such values into the relationship, from emotional support to unpaid labor. In fact, I would argue that the man typically contributes more in every way to a marriage. Much, much more. And yet what he gets in return on the back end is a court order to pay alimony. He has to pay even more.
So while it's true that you won't get the same "emotional quality" with a high-class prostitute compared to a wife, it will be way more cost effective over the long run, especially for men who are top earners. And even the "emotional quality" is debatable. It's only better with a wife when a marriage is going well (usually the first 2 years). After that, it can often be a living hell, which is something you don't experience with pay-for-play.
Ho's may not be the ultimate solution to our "western female problem" but I feel they (upper level escorts, not street trash) offer great value to the smart man, especially during periods where that man is tempted towards marriage. Instead, bust your nut with some HB9 ho's while engaging in pleasant banter. Or spin some plates if you want to put the time and effort into that. Then get your emotional fix from your siblings, parents, male friends and your dog. A wife does not compute.
tedted8888 8y ago
I'm not valuing companionship more than sex. That's a personal decision. However I am arguing if you are to have a full filling mature adult relationship there must be balance. It's very difficult for men and women to be balanced, and attain balance in their relatuonship. Lots of times it's less effort and about 80% fulfilling to nut in a prostitute or dress pretty put glitter on ur tits and have guys buy u drinks all night. Morally there is nothing wrong with either situation. Of course the state has to come in and fuck up that balance, but that's not the argument.
thiasus 8y ago
And much less work. Prostitutes only make money so long as they keep fucking johns. A gold digger only has to put in the work until he's said "yes" in front of a priest, then she can cash out and be set for many years if not life.
batfish55 8y ago
And that's why I respect prostitutes more than women looking for a husband.
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awalt_cupcake 8y ago
So you're telling me women CAN exercise discipline and commitment to reach a goal?
MCMLVII 8y ago
Ohhh yes they can.
Source: my older sister boasted of spending years scheming to trick her husband into knocking her up a few more times. It worked, he believes they were all "accidents." She feels no guilt about it.
LetsGoAllTheWhey 8y ago
Happened to a friend of mine too. His wife lied about taking birth control. She's a scheming bitch.
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They're all scheming bitches.
FTFY
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
I had an ex ask me after a hard fuck session one night what we were going to do if she gets pregnant.
I rested my hand on her bare stomach and said simply "we'll have to kill it." Her eyes widened. Of course I'm implying abortion.
No more "scares" from her after that.
night-addict 8y ago
bruh that's some House of Cards shit, I love it
nrjk 8y ago
House of Cards II: The Chronicles of Tank Upperwood
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RaptorFalcon 8y ago
No... They will crack prior to then provided you give it time
Eat_The_Muffin 8y ago
That isn't how divorce works, to cash out you need to be married for a good amount of time to someone who has a good income since it only counts changes in wealth during the marriage.
redzorp 8y ago
Not necessarily. Divorce laws vary widely by state and by country. Sometimes short marriages can still be a windfall for a divorced woman.
Add to that activists judges in family court who can come up with truly insane decrees. There was a case posted here on TRP a few months ago about a couple in Britain. They divorced in the 1980s when both were poor. 30+ years later, the ex-wife pops out of the wood work to demand a huge payout because the husband recently struck it rich in business. Logically, and by law, she should get nothing. But superior court judges decided to award a few million pounds because...vagina.
RedBigMan 8y ago
You mean she didn't gain that many pounds eating McDonalds and other crappy fast food stuffs?
Five_Decades 8y ago
If you assume 2 years until marriage, and sex 2x a week in that time period that works out to 200 lays. A prostitite may start at $100, so that is $20,000 to hire an escort instead of a gold digger.
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A wedding alone is more expensive than that
redpillbanana 8y ago
In his Be a Skittles Man article, Heartiste mentions one guy who spent $15k on the flowers alone:
PanzerBatallion 8y ago
Only if you're doing it wrong.
Entropy-7 8y ago
I bought a diamond ring last year. I bought it for my future wife, even if I don't know who that will be. It is a half carat, solitaire cut, F colour, VSI clarity and set me back $6000.
There is no way I would spend good money on a wedding, and I do not expect my family to kip in to cover it.
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Why did you buy a ring for a woman who doesn't exist?
Entropy-7 8y ago
Wishful thinking.
When my hamster gets working I would say that it is a low-volume, high value investment. I have that ring stored safely in my stepfather's safe. If the balloon ever goes up, gold and diamonds will be the only thing worth trading for.
maxbrooksmacbook 8y ago
yeah...that's weird. women sometimes have input into what type of rings they want also. he could be totally off.
ether_reddit 8y ago
The right kind of woman wants no ring at all, but rather a nice toy like a motorcycle or a new set of skis.
Entropy-7 8y ago
A hooker in America who gives it up for a hundred bucks is really scary. A proper bitch in Thailand runs $60 to $80 and she is still a crap shoot. I can't say anything about Russian chicks but I suspect that if you want an HB8 who is not the STI version of Typhoid Mary then my guess is that it will set you back a G-note.
Five_Decades 8y ago
$1000 for a hooker is pretty pricey. Even the high end ones do not charge that much.
in nations where it is legal, like Germany, you can get an attractive, young, STD free woman for under $50.
LetsGoAllTheWhey 8y ago
In the US you can find a good one for between $300 and $500. The price might come down if you become a regular of hers.
Screenp2 8y ago
In vegas maybe.. SoCal the going rate for a 20 something HB6-8 college girl is 160.. it's the pre/post-wall cats who want 3-5 bills to pay the mortgage.
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Entropy-7 8y ago
That's for short time, eh? Does anyone have a copy of the menu from the Mustang Ranch in Vegas?
PS: "Short time" is you fuck them for an hour, "long time" is they stay the night and you fuck them as much as you want.
LetsGoAllTheWhey 8y ago
Right, one hour. There's usually a discount for multiple hours but you'll pay $1,000 or more for over night. I usually want them to leave after a couple of hours anyway.
Redsqa 8y ago
I don't really care. Good for them. I think that some of you guys are mad, partly, for the same reason that some women are mad that TRP exists. Discussion of the other gender's sexual strategy, which involves the other one losing out. Of course, I do agree that the fact they're not being honest with themselves, but hamstering is to be expected.
810809 8y ago
Personally I like this, I think it's better they're honest. Now the most die-hard betas might get all pissy and might come to a life-shattering realisation that the world isn't BP after all. But that's nothing that affects me and it'd be quite positive overall I'd say.
No I push hard for feminism and open hypergamy, the only losers are BP dimwits and I encourage that.
tedted8888 8y ago
This book reminds me of the countless get rich quick schemes. The only person making the money is the author. Business is getting tougher and tougher. Men with assets of 1MM or more are going to see through this sharade and move on.
aazav 8y ago
Thank you for taking the time to alert us to this disgusting, predatory yet all too real phenomenon.
HS-Thompson 8y ago
How is this news, it's the worlds oldest profession.
nuesuh 8y ago
Being a gold digger?
What she recommend women to do, is lure a man to marry you and then divorcerape him. That is not an old profession.
The two ways women could make money off of men back in the days where prostitution and marriage. Now with the divorce laws, women don't have to be faithful wifes. They'll just divorce you after a month or two and fuck off with your money.
Yankee_Fever 8y ago
This guy clearly wrote this book and is trying to sell it.... Look at all the hypnotic patterns in the description. Clearly written by a man
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RP_Vergil 8y ago
Now this is what Woman are good at, thinking that they came up with something new when it's actually done before. It's simply Prostitution, except only choosing Plugged in Beta Bucks as their Customers.
LorneArmstrong 8y ago
When my gf heard i got a mastercard with $300 limit on it she immediately wanted me to take her shopping.
sweetgene05 8y ago
I'm not saying she's a gold digger....wait $300 limit
Ok, I am officially saying she is not a gold digger. :)
PlainEminem 8y ago
That's not even a high limit...
logicalthinker1 8y ago
Lol it was the starting limit on my first credit card. Either this guy is like 16 years old or he has incredibly shitty credit.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Shouldn't that read, "When my EX-gf heard I got a mastercard...."
LorneArmstrong 8y ago
I am in love with her. It's not good for me to be in love with her right now.
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Are there cards with less than a $300 limit? Is it a store card or something?
I didn't realize there were cards with less than a $2000 limit.
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we gave them out at the credit union i worked at. generally it's a first-timer's card when they are very young and have no credit. it's a good way to show you can make regular payments, but at the same time you're probably going way over the credit utilization threshold you should be.
Gawernator 8y ago
Student cards seem to be around $300. My first one was. Next card was $7,000 and after that $22,500. Seems usual
steelerfaninperu 8y ago
I got my first card from a bank whose website featured only happy black moms with their kids, so that tells you something. It also featured a lovely monthly fee of $3.
I was approved for $200, unsecured. Used it for a year, and then got a card for $3k.
So either homeboy here is coming off a bankruptcy, or he's 18 and just starting out. Still, AWALT. Your $300 limit is a new purse for her in her brain.
LorneArmstrong 8y ago
I used to make LOTS of money before but ever since I moved to Nashville things have been a bit hard.
popthatpill 8y ago
My first credit card (back in about late 2002 or so) was a "student" Visa card with a $300 monthly credit limit. So they did exist, here in Australia at least.
Fl_l 8y ago
Was that with Westpac?
I've still got mine from back in the day with a $300 limit, despite them trying to tell me I should move to another card with a higher limit since I'm not a student anymore.
popthatpill 8y ago
Yes, it was Westpac. From the looks of it they still offer it, although with a $1000 limit these days.
catacamas 8y ago
Speaking of blatant gold-digging - I recently met a woman online who actually put a link to her Amazon wishlist (with a list of things like expensive watches, jewelry etc.), in her online social media profile, along with a sexy scantily clad pic of her!
I asked her if guys actually buy her stuff, she said yes they do, and started soliciting. I told her 'buy me an Xbox thx', she told me I'm being rude, lol
Isaiah4verse1 8y ago
What's wrong with this?
Their being open makes them easy to avoid.
BitingInsects 8y ago
Part of me respects the hustle. In the sense that there are pathetic men out here practically making themselves targets for shit like this.
watcher45 8y ago
Good diggers are just prostitutes with relationships.
eaton80 8y ago
Arguably this woman is the real "Red Pill Woman". I.e. She is maximizing her evolutionary biological imperative the way RP men maximize theirs.
Those other women in the so named forum always struck me as the "how to love and accept red pill men" types and it's not really the same thing as being red pill themselves.
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[deleted] 8y ago
So they wrote a book about it. Nothing I didn't know. "How to Marry a Millionaire" came out decades ago.
VeLfoR 8y ago
Elon Musk should hire this gurl. The hamaster spinning could give electricity to the entire Africa continent.
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I don't want a woman who dreams about shoes, bags and instagram likes, I want a woman who dreams about being an excellent mother, raising a strong family and is good at her craft. Those might be fucking hard to find in some parts of the USA but in some countries in Europe it's easier.
pooyah_me 8y ago
If that's hard to find, you're looking in the wrong places.
michael_wilkins 8y ago
Well we've been writing guides here for a few years to maximise sexual strategy so why wouldn't there be a corresponding guide?
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harami_number1 8y ago
I can only hope it is satire.
If not, then please god send the plague already.
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[deleted] 8y ago
It was here a long time ago
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sir_wankalot_here 8y ago
Yawn. Obviously OP neber heard of a bool called Pride and Prejudice that was written like a 150 years ago. That is the entire premise of the book, how to hook a rich husband.
steelerfaninperu 8y ago
Or how about Winter Dreams/The Great Gatsby. Judy/Daisy digs gold like a gravedigger digs graves.
Real literature is RP as hell, just posted that a week ago.
bokehnikon 8y ago
First line of the book: "It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife."
sir_wankalot_here 8y ago
I had to glance at wikipedia to refresh my memory. The book is actually 203 years old and was one of the first best sellers. The customers of course where women.
I didn't actually read the book, I was just around when a bunch of women where watching the movie. And according to the it followed the book fairly accurately. I didn't really watch the movie per say.
But there where interesting scenes like where on of the chicks was talking about Mr Darcy who is rich versus the other guy who gets her panties all wet. And they where saying she she go for Mr Darcy because he has a bunch of money.
But it is nothing new. Bathsheba was the ultimate branch swinger. Gets King David all horny, then gets King David to have her husband killed.
Sworn_to_Ganondorf 8y ago
We do indeed have an epidemic of gold digging whores.
chocobaby 8y ago
AWALT. Facebook, Snapchat, Insta, Tinder, OKC, cellphones with cameras, the "modern" world is tailor made for women's hypergamy. Get used to working with it, not against it. It's here to stay. Remember, in the most simplistic sense, females are eggs and males are sperm. The egg presents itself and waits for the onslaught of sperm suitors. The egg then decides which sperm is "best" and it gets in. As men, we are sperm. We seek out eggs, along with millions of our brethren, and do our "best" to be the one chosen. It's really that simple. No one said anything about fair or balanced. It is what it is. The "war" between the sexes has always been about males trying to limit the amount of "other" sperm reaching the egg of our desire. The egg always tries to expose herself to as many sperm as possible, so as to have the best possible field to choose from. In the last 50-10 years, women's ability to expose themselves to multitudes of sperm suitors, in a socially acceptable (or secret)way has increased a thousand fold. There is no turning back the clock gents. You just have to craft your desire-ability carefully and stick to your frame/game, or you will be replaced within seconds. Give'm an inch, and they'll take a mile.
ApexScorpion 8y ago
AWALT. Facebook, Snapchat, Insta, Tinder, OKC, cellphones with cameras, the "modern" world is tailor made for women's hypergamy. Get used to working with it, not against it. It's here to stay.
You're right. Technology simply has a 95% chance of crushing your LTR/Marriage to bits. It gave them a safe haven for validation and attention, which I believe are a woman's only true loves, something she will always faithful too. Her cell phone is her boyfriend/husband. They don't even have to go outside and work for it anymore. It literally supercharged their hypergamy.
The downside for them is their massively inflated SMV which is often counteracted by the Wall and the inability to know exactly how to acquire and keep their perceived Alpha fantasy guy.
That instant high they rigorously search for then turns to long term failure.
chocobaby 8y ago
Revenge is sweeter when it lasts years ;-)
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Jax77789 8y ago
Well I have some doubts about women being the selectors. I have not looked at any data but I think the male / female ratio is about 50/50 in the west. It is not like women were rare, far from it. Environnemental factors also favor more women. Women are as chosen as we are. I think this part of the pussy pedestalization scam/ FI propaganda.
Moreover, unchecked hypergamy leads to dysgenic progression ( see the recent posts on the rational male) and social problems. Women cannot be the selectors in a civilization.
chocobaby 8y ago
Well, I never said women are rare. That's not the issue. On a biological level the egg allows one (and very rarely two) sperm inside. In the macrocosm, women open their legs at their discretion, hence they select. Unless you're talking rape, they are the selectors. They may select Mr X because he did a great job of seduction, or because he's a millionaire, but they select nonetheless.
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The hamsters are spinning on some next level speeds on this one.
nuesuh 8y ago
Yeah. Gold diggers are well paid.
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Your_Coke_Dealer 8y ago
ERROR
Hamster speed exceeded wheel capacity; hamster now in orbit
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randarrow 8y ago
Hamster speed exceeded wheel capacity, hamster now dead and oozing out between wheel tines and splattering walls.
ramaga 8y ago
Though I appreciate your post and agree with the lessons, rest assured this "book" (it's only 59 pages so only loosely merits this description) is not flying off the shelves. I have published several ebooks on Amazon and understand what the book rankings there mean. The paperback version of the book on gold-digging currently has an Amazon rank of 6.4 million, meaning it's been months since the author has sold a copy of the paperback. The ebook version's ranking, while better, is only at 337,578, meaning the author sells, at best, a copy every several days.
On the other hand, the book has been out almost a year, so maybe it did much better when it was first released.
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Gentlemen: Yes, Rome is burning and there is no point in getting angry or depressed. Learn their strategy and use it against them to maximize your personal sexual gains and minimize their monetary gains.
chocobaby 8y ago
Bingo. I took longer to say it but that's it. The rules have changed. Adapt or wither and die a bitter old man. At least in this "modern" world, we too, can get away with bedding hundreds and even thousands of females, in our lifetimes. Work on yourself, not them. They will come.
Leg__Day 8y ago
I need to ask a serious question on this topic.
Who is the real winner/loser out of such a relationship? I'm sure for the insanely rich men who opt for this lifestyle make so much money that it doesn't matter. It gets replaced with even more money. They also get to have sex with extremely attractive women with no attachment whatsoever.
This might be a mutually beneficial relationship (only for the rich, don't fool yourself).
bgat79 8y ago
what is wrong with this broads haggard knees ?
thiasus 8y ago
This chick is making money off of teaching women how to maximize the profit off of their natural sexual strategy in today's world. If anything, I admire her. If I could make money off of teaching men how to maximize the results of their sexual strategy, I would.
clearedmycookies 8y ago
In all honesty, this chick is the female's side of TRP. Is anything the book says something other than what we have been preaching as the truth? But just like our side is we want pussy, they want money. We write guides and stuff to get what we want, they are effectively doing the same thing.
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
Many guys do. They write books or run PUA seminars. Or sell TShirts ;)
PrinceofSpades 8y ago
never underestimate clothing money. That Nike swoosh adds like 30-50$ to an otherwise 10$ article of clothing.
RPmatrix 8y ago
I wonder what the GLO tag will come to be worth?
He says we all should invest asap!
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Ah, gold diggers and rinsers...
This should make your blood boil: Sex Lies And Rinsing Guys - Channel 4 documentary
grewapair 8y ago
Why get angry. The men get what they want, the women do too. Sounds like a rational exchange.
adam-l Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Feminist sociologist Cathrine Hakim has described it as women possessing greater "sexual capital", which they should exploit. It is a more "scientific" attempt to socially and morally legitimize female generalized and convert prostitution, against the “patriarchical” and “pseudo-ethical” ideology that “inhibit women from exploiting their erotic capital to achieve economic and social benefits.”
-Adam
scamper_22 8y ago
Its not just women. I read an article talking how women lie more. The professor used words like because they're nicer and more sophisticated.
So just lie and scheme is the message as violence is outlawed
dixieStates 8y ago
Old hat, actually: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlUq6mJNS6o
aazav 8y ago
Well, you fucked up by making poor decisions and now you need a sucker to pay for what you failed to provide for yourself.
Entropy-7 8y ago
There is a girl who I won't call a "plate" but I suppose that is the closest description you could get using the lingo in this place. She is a fashion model and disarmingly honest about the fact that she wants a man to spend money on her.
Her online profile basically says that she likes "generous" men and cheap guys can FOAD. She wants a "gift" if you contact her.
I have never done P4P but this sort or intrigued me and I figured that her attitude was enough to scare away 90%+ of other punters.
So first date I bought her a slinky little dress that set me back maybe 20 bucks (funny thing was, I bought it before I had actually met her; it was a size 4 but was a complete tent on her because she has such an amazing body, perhaps a 2, 1 or zero).
Second date was just dinner. The third date was her birthday. She was so bold as to tell me directly that she wanted a gold necklace. I dropped a couple hundred bucks on a 14k piece in a move that could be viewed as totally beta except that that night she jumped all over my cock.
It was a play that worked.
The fuck of it is that she is a trust fund bitch. Daddy funds her lifestyle and the counter-intuitive thing is that he will continue to do so, and even pony up a sizeable dowry if she marries a guy making six-figures but will disown her if she marries a guy making a regular salary.
I don't make six figures. . . .yet. So, I can't lock her down, but she seems to be content with me being self-unconscious about buying gifts for her and then doing the nasty. We live in different cities but I think I might fly out to see her and perhaps score a weekend wonder fuck.
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This is a troll, right? If not, you are a complete and total moron. The epitome of a betabux, and I don't even like the alpha/beta dichotomy.
Entropy-7 8y ago
I occasionally troll SJWs but I don't do that shit here.
I am a quality guy who is perfectly willing to spend cash on a quality woman. That does not make me beta, that makes me rational because certain women respond to that.
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But you know this woman has the potential to suck you dry, and yet you apparently consider her worthy of an LTR.
Entropy-7 8y ago
Perhaps, but at least she is honest about it. She has already sucked me dry in the most glorious sense, but whether she sucks me dry financially remains to be seen,
taoofmojo 8y ago
Have you noticed that there is no picture of the author? So add 200 lbs to her weight then take 4 attractiveness points.
internet_terrorist 8y ago
I imagine the snake said something similar to Eve.
mr_burrito 8y ago
I understand what you're trying to say with this, but I really don't see a whole lot wrong with it. TRP is a guide for men to get what they want out of women (sex), and this is a guide for women to get what they want out of men (money, attention). Saying this guide for women is wrong seems like a bit of a double standard. If you're really concerned about protecting your money, and there's nothing wrong with that, this guide shouldn't matter anyway because hopefully you're smart enough to not fall for this shit.
1v1mebruh 8y ago
Has no one here realized the irony of this post? A woman talking about female sexual strategy is receiving hate from men talking about male sexual strategy.
RPmatrix 8y ago
BUT, gold digging isn't a sexual strategy, it's a life scam
TRP advocates getting Real to get fucked, not getting fucked over!
1v1mebruh 8y ago
No, it's a sexual strategy alright, it's just one you don't like. I don't like it either, but just because it's vile and a scam doesn't mean it's not a viable strategy.
RPmatrix 8y ago
IF sex was the goal, yes it would be a 'sexual strategy' but it's not, so it isn't ;o)
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themanbat 8y ago
Any guides out there to teach men how to become gold diggers?
PantsonFire1234 8y ago
Mwah let them dig. I'm perfectly fine with that arrangement. At least the rich guy knows why she's with him.
t12totalxyzb00 8y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chpqXUfQ8Zs
On this issue
ToTheSummit 8y ago
If this is feminism, sign me up
PostingIsFutile 8y ago
So, this is a book about basically the only legal way to commit fraud. Pretend you love a man, marry him, then divorce rape him at your leisure.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
It suddenly occurs that notorious food-hooker Jessica Sporty might have been aiming too low.......
WhySoRuff 8y ago
Do you know how expensive it is to keep a horse fed?
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redzorp 8y ago
Yes, but as simple as that solution is, these warning threads need to be reiterated.
I think we all know intellectually that marriage in the modern West is the worst deal ever for men. But the pull of biology, emotions and traditions are so strong that most men who should know better are always on the brink of giving in to the Cathedral. It's easy not to give in when you are in your early 20s. But just wait until you are in your 30s, 40s and beyond. The pull can be incredibly strong. Just look at George Cloony for a famous example.
I'm 50 now and thankfully never married. But I've gotten close several times. So very tempting when you find a woman who is "almost perfect." The male hamster starts going into overdrive that fairytales can come true...living happily ever after and all that. Takes a lot of discipline, self-awareness, inner peace and re-reading TRP to pull yourself out of that delusion and not succumb. Most of my friends, some red-pilled, were unable to stand alone. They got hitched and were all promptly divorce-raped inside of 10 years.
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I bet it's written by a man to make money, isn't "court controversy" one of the laws of power?
SgtBrutalisk 8y ago
Probably ghostwritten by a man. The woman's name is probably the client that commissioned the book.
J_AsapGem 8y ago
it's not, but what you're saying makes sense, i've never really seen women put themselves in the line of fire for ridicule, so i'm suspicious of this, why put their sexual strategy in the open? unless the men has become so extremely cucked that the women realizes this and they don't care.
yomo86 8y ago
What really disgusts me is that the alternative title: "how to root out all the losers and wannabes to start a family with a stable high SMV male AND get shits n prices" does not work. This is pure dark-hearted solipsism instead - and it isn't about admitting it, it is about bragging. Bragging that a woman could not care less about giving something in return.
midwestsd 8y ago
The proliferation of arrangement sites are taking advantage of this.
I'm a married guy, so it is much cheaper to have an arrangement with a young college girl.
A divorce would cost me close to a million. So I'll pay a paltry sum to some college girl to help her think she is winning by capitalizing on her beauty.
But the reality is different. Some of these women save the money and move on. Most spend it on material things and get caught up in the lifestyle.
If you are a married guy in a crazy marriage, you should try it. But stay red pill because you will get run over if you go into this any other way.
doveenigma13 8y ago
Don't hate the player, hate the game. I would do the same shit if I was a woman.
rollhax 8y ago
If anybody ever asks you why you think fewer men are choosing not to get married, you now have exhibit Z (because you likely already have A-Y).