Forgive me if this incoherent, I am weeping as I write this. I am a 24 year old man. I fell into dating an older single mother earlier this year. She cheated on me and when I tried to break up with her she called the cops and said I abused her. The cops arrested me without even asking me if it was true. I was bailed out and given a 60 day protective order to stay away from her. I ignored her countless text, emails, voicemails, handwritten letters left on my trucks windshield for 2 weeks. She told me if I met her she would tell the cops the truth that she made it up. I came over and she gave me to falsely dated letters of confession. We were driving down the road later that night almost to her house in a suburban neighborhood when she, out of nowhere, threw my dog out of my vehicle, jumped out and ran to a random house screaming as if I was trying to rape her. This was right in the middle of a civil discussion, completely by surprise. The cops arrested me again for violating the protective order. Jail again. My state appointed attorney told me to accept the plea deal. 8 years probation, 250 hours of community service etc, and that I'd have 30 days to change my mind and think about it. He lied. I had 30 days to appeal and the judge has to decide if I can get my day in court. Hired good attorney for 7500 dollars to appeal. Judge takes it under consideration for 2 weeks and I get a call not 2 hours ago saying the motion is denied. I have a mountain of evidence showing I'm innocent. I am an army veteran with no prior criminal record from a good relatively wealthy family. I had a good future in front of me. I don't know where I am going with this. I just had to get this off of my heart. I have a felony on my record now and my future is ruined without ever even having a day in court. I don't know what to do.
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xpostfact 8y ago
And you didn't? You're an idiot. Maybe you're a psychopath making all this up. Posting in this sub doesn't help garner compassion or belief in your case much.
[deleted] 8y ago
I would recommend contacting Mike Cernovich from dangerandplay.com . He has a website and he writes about male issues. He is a lawyer who fought a false rape case and won. He might have some advice for you.
Oftowerbroleaning 8y ago
Thank you. I will look into that in the morning.
TruthOverLiez 8y ago
You should've known better
fitnesspm 8y ago
That's why i moved to the East bro! When i have to head to the West such as now, i have blue balls. What happens if she gets pregnant and says you are the father?!?!
I've gone down the same road where its been 5 years without touching a westernised woman and i look at the world differently and never been happier. A real feminine eastern woman is the way to go where i would suggest you walk away and only fuck real women.
If you play with fire (dysfunctional westernised women) you will get burnt where 80% of sucidals are men. Half of them in the west are due to relationship breakups!
Walk away bro and NEVER look back!!!
redpilluk 8y ago
you're fucked anyway, so burn her house down and escape out of the country and change your name.
Denswend 8y ago
I cannot and will not advise anything. But the Slav in me would retaliate disproportionately.
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See the proble with this line of thinking is, as far as the courts are concerned, he's already done the crime. Anything else he does will only add more time on top of what he has now.
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Eugenics2015 8y ago
the slavs are alpha as fuq.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
Yes, but, I can't think of anything that would be disproportionate...
SgtBrutalisk 8y ago
As someone who recently wrote an article on Qin dynasty and how they helped shape the bureaucratic system for managing the population in China, I find this anecdote highly relatable to me.
Troll_Name 8y ago
I always think about this concept right here.
I don't think it applies in OP's case - OP NEEDS to be calm and level headed - but yeah if all consequences are the same then do whatever the fuck you feel like. Piracy in the golden age of sail got a massive jumpstart from the fact that conscripted sailors were presented with a choice between dying to make their master rich or spending the rest of their lives marked for death.
OP: lawyer is your only hope at this point. Let's all hope you picked a good one.
Captain_Unremarkable 8y ago
Considering the fact that 1. he was in the army and 2. he met up with her in person despite being ordered to stay away, he sounds like an idiot, and I wouldn't count on him selecting a good lawyer.
[deleted] 8y ago
lol
sad but true regarding point #2. It's SO fucking dumb to meet up with her when there's a court order saying not to - even if you get pulled over on a speeding ticket or something else you're fucking done.
of course I wouuld replace #1 in your post with DATING A SINGLE MOTHER, you're picking up confirmed damaged merchandise
last time i everyone disagreed and downvoted me when the person in the story was a single mother due to her husband dying, but it's the same shit. he died, she'll still want him, the kid will still like him, the kid will have a harder time viewing you as the father, etc.
why go through the extra hassle, risk, and headache of dating a single mother EVER when you can pick from so many non-mothers? I'll never understand
LetsGoAllTheWhey 8y ago
He was naive and was hoping for a reconciliation. Calling him an idiot is unfair. He hopefully has saved the texts and other messages and those will bolster his case. This was an expensive education for him. It should lead him right to The Red Pill.
ellen_pao 8y ago
He sounds like a desperate fool to me.
Got what he deserved
charlesbukowksi 8y ago
Cold and calculated is called for, definitely.
Fafner2 8y ago
I've said it many times here before, but as men increasingly become victims of a legal society that favors injustice towards men due to the mere anecdotes of women, men will take action outside of the law. Vigilantism always becomes warranted when a legal system is so corrupt that justice transforms into a foreign concept.
occupythekitchen 8y ago
The problem is they commit suicide. If even 1% of men who are divorce raped or are victims of lies committed murder i am sure it wouldnt be as common
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destraht 8y ago
Actually it seems like that will transform into a wider tackle on closed source systems across the board. I'm rather interested in the prospect of not being whimsically put to death by satellite the next time that I visit home and am driving in a new car along the North West Coast of California. Just, its all good until some one or two seconds when I realize that actually its all fucked and my fly-by-wire car is putting me sharply over the weakly protected edge. As a CS major programmist for a living, how the fuck could that be considered fun?????
GSstreetfighter 8y ago
Drive-by-wire steering with Gov't mandated backdoor access. All whistleblowers will die.
[deleted] 8y ago
Absolutely. This is in the same vein as a cashless society. At this point I don't trust any code that is not open source and verified by a large community. They already suicide enough people as it is.
I used to be a fan of Elon Musk, but the issue of how he is integrating his cars into the tracking and control grid makes him suspect of being part and parcel of the elite corporatist/globalists.
destraht 8y ago
No joke but my American friend just got out of an issue pissing in a place by telling some local Slavs that he knows Chechen friends. I'm just a programmer and what do I know but apparently that is the way to do it well.
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Eugenics2015 8y ago
if you cant see the relevance you are just low-iq.
For any man worth a damn having a felony is worse than death, i would rather die than be a hobo or live off the system. A man should be able to work and provide for his family. If you have a record like that not even the army will take you.
Go out smoking or kill yourself is the only option for a man like me.
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RojoEscarlata 8y ago
The “moral" of the story is that if society keeps pushing men as a whole like in the case of OP sooner or later someone will think “fuck it!, I'm fucked anyway might as well try to fuck things up, before everything gets fucked"
Although farfetched, most western men are feminized much more than they think, their mentality is so conformist “lawful" that the mere idea that going against the law government, etc, is something so inconceivable it's another matrix in itself, that even most people here in this sub are part of.
Cloughtower 8y ago
It's not quite analogous to the beta mentality we're breaking through than an actual jail cell though.
I think most of us see the problem with government, but what can you do about it?
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Overkillengine 8y ago
In for a lamb, in for a sheep, as the old saying goes. If one is going to be punished anyways may as well make it worth it.
StyleandSpeed 8y ago
I'd pay a grand or two to some poor dude who'd be willing to do it anonymously that she doesn't know of who has nothing to lose to set her damn house on fire while she's asleep. Set up a plan in secret. No e-mails no texts, no bread crumbs.
RageLife 8y ago
Hey now, I don't think we should be condoning anything like this.
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[deleted] 8y ago
That guy be anger phasing pretty fucking hard.
ChadThundercockII 8y ago
nah, just a simple plan. Several month ago I commented the same thing, only replacing death with prison. Get some cocaine, put in the house and call the police. Then you'll get your kids and no alimony.
CowardlyPetrov 8y ago
Only a slave would say that Chen was disproportionate in his response.
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It was about the consequences being disproportionate.
Denswend 8y ago
I wasn't saying that Chen was disproportionate. I'm saying I would be.
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Hoodwink 8y ago
I feel like this kind of thing keeps men relatively civilized to each other. It keeps men relatively honest compared to women.
Women often are protected from this dynamic (especially in the West) and they think it's 'misogynist' when they actually provoke a man enough.
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Arby01 8y ago
that was my first question too.
AligatorTears 8y ago
Based on my limited knowledge of the United States, you options are to write a manifesto and go on a shooting spree or move to a country where a criminal record from America is treated as a joke because those damn yanks and their privately owned prison system that is allowed to lobby government.
Seriously, you are living in a first world economy with a third world legal system. Get the hell out of there man. Just don't bring your crazy here.
fingermeal 8y ago
I bet there is a history of her doing this to other men in the past. If there was a way to find out who they are and ask them.. I dont know how to go about that. But if there is a pattern of men "abusing and raping" her then there could be a way to fight her in court for lying. Just a thought.
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SunshineBlotters 8y ago
This cannot be stressed enough
His entire case was decided when he met up with someone who has a protective order against him.
I have a friend who had a restraining order against him despite not actually doing anything. Bitch lied and said he abused her or something. One day he bumped into his ex's bf, shrugged it off, and told him he wishes them luck. The ex found out about it and he got arrested for "attempting to contact her via 3rd party". She spun it as him trying to send her message. Still fighting the case 2 years later
Quarter_Century_Club 8y ago
Is that an actual crime? Absolutely retarded.
SunshineBlotters 8y ago
In IL it is. I was in shock. Basically if someone puts a restraining order on you, you are basically putting yourself at risk for talking to someone that knows them. She can easily twist the words around and make it seem like you were trying to contact her. As a male you are automatically liable. It's a complete load of shit.
Eugenics2015 8y ago
his fault for being dumb enough to even awkowleged his ex's BF. You guys need to learn how to move on
SunshineBlotters 8y ago
His ex's bf came up to him trying to pick a fight. Otherwise he wouldn't have acknowledged it.
Oftowerbroleaning 8y ago
I did bring her text and emails. I even gave them my phone and did a phone dump so they could verify authenticity. They did nothing with it.
ThePermanentGuest 8y ago
Have your attorney take it to the District Attorney who is prosecuting your case, NOT the police.
Consider making an affidavit (sworn, notarized statement) of the matters that took place. State clearly the course of events.
If you are keen on taking a plea deal, See if you can 1) avoid jail time, and 2) enter into a pre-trial diversion program where you can be eligible to have the charge expunged (not sure if available for felony in your state). Honestly I don't like plea deals where the actor is "innocent," so have your evidence ready to go. The truth has a way of coming out, provided you have a good attorney to facilitate that.
Also, this is not legal advice.
evileddy 8y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VsikRkBmRw
Hope you get a judge like Judge Judy.
ztsmart 8y ago
Never talk to cops. Never answer their questions. If you had initially refused to talk to them without a lawyer you would be in a much better situation now.
NEVER under ANY circumstances talk to the police for any reason.
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[deleted] 8y ago
no one feels sorry for you. you walked right into this. no one is surprised at how your story ends
Sdom1 8y ago
You're just going to have to hope you can appeal it and get that evidence considered. Appellate judges tend to be much more intelligent than your run of the mill judges and attorneys.
Oh, and sue that first attorney for malpractice, and definitely call your state Bar Association. Not clearly communicating that you were pleading guilty to a felony and that it was an appeal and not a right of recision is grounds for being disciplined by the bar. They take this type of shit really seriously, give it a shot.
rpscrote 8y ago
100% agreed.
His malpractice insurance might pay out to you enough to help cover the costs of pursuing the action and your defense
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[deleted] 8y ago
You need to present that with an attorney.. They can ignore you, they won;t ignore your lawyer.
Warning, if a chick hits you with a restraining order stay away and go to your lawyer. If she contacts you, go to your lawyer. Have them file the proper motions.
The cops have no incentive to give you exculpatory evidence as they would be seen and attacked politically by activists for not "protecting women enough". You the defendant have to prove your innocence.
[deleted] 8y ago
Ah the good ol' days when you were innocent until proven guilty. These days, if you are a man, you are guilty until YOU prove your innocense.
eternal_temptation 8y ago
wrong.
These days, if you are a man, you are guilty even if you are proven innocent.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
I can improve on your improvement...You are never proven innocent-you were just let off because the police/judge/jury were part of the rape culture in your area.
well-ok-then 8y ago
Agreed. I hate that cops seemingly always take the woman's side, regardless of how I think things appear. If they don't do that, they'll probably be fired and replaced with people who will. It makes it hard to get too pissed at them individually.
[deleted] 8y ago
Cops exist to make the state money. Prisons are for-profit, even the public ones. Cops may not have quotas, but they're required to rack up as many charges as possible for max profit.
Basically, the legal system is completely fucked.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
Who is 'they', the police, your lawyers, the plaintiff's family?
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Gyissan 8y ago
You fucked up. You should've got a lawyer and posted here the minute she got you arrested and you were released. Too late now.
Oftowerbroleaning 8y ago
I had one. He just didn't do his job.
cocaine_face 8y ago
You also broke the law. That's on you. You knew the rules, and you broke them, putting yourself in the hands of someone you know to be capricious.
Gyissan 8y ago
You also didn't do yours by not cutting contact with her the moment she tried fucking you over. Hindsight can be a bitch.
RUSTY_LEMONADE 8y ago
Killbutt_3_2's 2nd point; no contact orders go both ways. She violated the order and you have proof. That should be all you need to end this.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
Depends on the state law. Here the accuser can do anything they want, the accused can't. Here its a misdemeanor, shouldn't be a felony. Hell I had a 3 day suspended sentence because the bitch copied something I wrote online and claimed I gave it to her.
RUSTY_LEMONADE 8y ago
If that's true, file a no contact order against her.
aDrunkenWhaler 8y ago
Even so, with that you can still file a harassment case against her, and the next time she'll contact you, which she will, no doubt about it, it will turn into a fellony. But your best option frm the get-go is to play her on being vangeful and stupid. Which she will be, no doubt about it, especially since she feels almighty powerful for outsmarting the system. I bet even a good selfie with a younger girlfriend will make her blood boil enough to do something stupid.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
The first ex is past all that shit, she no longer gets money extorted from me, we've been divorced 15 years. The second one did all that shit in 13, and more. I have only seen her once since the last divorce hearing, she was driving west, I was going east. She lives two miles away with her idiot boyfriend, theres only one road into town from where we live. It's remote and sparsely populated here, but I've managed to not bump into her stupid loser ass.
They both know how I am, that is easy for me to get younger better looking girls easily. There is a 9 year age gap between the two of them, 13 between the second and I. While the second was stalking me online, snooping around every site I post on including this one, I posted pics of the 20 something aged girls I was fucking. She knows, but she also knows she is done forever.
They're both bitter about my life getting better after they left, but they don't get any opportunities to harass me anymore. The first year was the worst with both, but now the first bitch is paid off so I have money again.
aDrunkenWhaler 8y ago
You're in a good place now, enjoy it. Myself, I could not imagine in a million years to pay a cunt's life expenses for so many years. Shit, after we're done even a taxi ride seems a bit to much. I'd be long gone out of the country or in jail.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
I have to much shit I want to do with my life to let her destroy it further. Why kill a useless waste of skin and oxygen when it will only result in my incarceration or being a fugitive for the rest of my life? I knew the time would come when she would be out of my pocket, I only had to endure it for 15 years.
I am in a great place, mainly because I built it to be great. I'll never let a bitch have that much power over my life ever again,
aDrunkenWhaler 8y ago
Fair enough, mate. Congrats for the outcome. Enjoy it.
whoops_fap 8y ago
This. I have no idea why ANYONE would fuck with a single mother, absolute lunacy.
HuskerMedic 8y ago
As a cop, let me tell you this:
Never, ever, ever use a public defender or court appointed attorney. I don't care if you have to sell everything you own and hock your grandma's wedding ring. Hire a private defense attorney.
Most public defenders have a huge caseload and are more interested in getting cases off the books than seeing justice served.
As for suing your first attorney, good luck. Ever hear the saying "blood from a turnip"? If your first attorney was a public defender, chances are they are making less money than the cops who arrested you. As for contacting the bar association, again, good luck. The attorney will just say you made the plea freely, knowingly, and willingly. It'll be your word against theirs, and you're a convicted felon, so who do you think they'll believe, you,or one of their own?
Sorry to be such a downer, but based on my experience, I think you have a tough time ahead.
If anyone should take anything away from all this, it should be DO NOT USE A PUBLIC DEFENDER.
youeatlikeachild 8y ago
Can't put a price on a good lawyer, most people would sell everything they have, max their credit cards, take out loans, etc if they knew they could go back and get a lesser sentence or walk free.
Those same people took the public defender or called around the yellow pages looking for who would take their case the cheapest and that's why they ended up getting fucked.
What's the difference between the guy who charges a $5000 retainer up front and a guy who takes a few hundred? Just your freedom.
Reddthrown 8y ago
As a lawyer, I second this. The public defenders / court appointed attorneys only do this because they can't get work from people who would actually choose them. And as noted, they are overworked and underpaid.
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worldnewsrager 8y ago
Yea... or maybe it should be cops taking more time to properly investigate these issues before just handing a DV case that hasn't been properly vetted off the the DA. You're here shitting on the public defender... the reality of the situation is had the police investigated properly, instead of just being the modern, neutered manginas, half the time these cases wouldn't even pushed. And those shitty public defenders wouldn't have so many cases in the first place.
HuskerMedic 8y ago
You wanna bet? Not saying the cops did a great job, but unfortunately, the pendulum has swung, and most prosecutors aren't going to risk being labeled "soft on domestic violence". They'll still charge it, and hope the defendant gets a public defender and cops a plea, just like the OP did.
It's unfortunate, but that's the world we live in. Adjust, or end up like the OP.
_DiscoNinja_ 8y ago
Facts of the case aren't really in dispute. By OP's admission, he violated the protective order.
Bitch be crazy and all, but I don't think you can get angry with the cops for taking the free win.
McLarenX 8y ago
They arrest based on what the woman says because they have to. It's not a fair system. If you are in a situation where the police are coming and there is no injury to the victim, get out of the house. If you're on scene, you will be arrested based on simple liability and probability that the victim will be threatened.
charlesbukowksi 8y ago
Yep, if the cops even hesitate to believe the women all kinds of women's rights groups will be suing the district. On the off chance she wasn't lying they'll have to pay out big time. And if she was lying, well no foul for anyone - except the guy whose life was ruined.
That's social-capitalism for you baby.
[deleted] 8y ago
Let's be fair. Those cops have a lot of civilians to murder and evidence to plant. That all takes time. Do you think the drugs in evidence will sell themselves to the community?
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Eugenics2015 8y ago
is this legit advice or is this fleeing the scene of a crime?
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wehadtosaydickety 8y ago
I dunno I had a DUI charge, private attorney got it down to reckless and no jail time. Worst case with a public defender I probably would get a DUI and a few days in jail. Sometimes I wonder if the $6000 and year I spent fighting the case was worth that.
[deleted] 8y ago
Why did you decide to be a cop?
HuskerMedic 8y ago
Well, according to sonicblew, it was so I could murder civilians and plant evidence.
Seriously, I wanted to work in public safety and it was the only career available in my hometown. Actually, I only work part-time in the field now.
NiceTryDisaster 8y ago
Guys guys, we all know OP fucked up more than once. Dated a single mother, broke protective order, went with the state appointed attorney etc. I know it, you know it, OP knows it. But whats done is done.
Let's work at the solution instead. What can OP do to get out from this mess and protect himself? Let's work at the solutions. I really feel bad for this.
Any lawyers who browse this sub willing to help OP?
Any people who have gone through this in the past have any advice to offer?
Mods, trp endorsed contributors anything to say?
Can OP sell everything he owns and move to another state or country?
If no solutions, how can OP keep damage to a minimum?
monsieurhire2 8y ago
As soon as someone puts the law on you, you must sever all ties because that person is your enemy for life.
Additionally, the system doesn't care about the truth; it cares about having fresh meat feed on.
If you do have a bunch of documentary evidence that she made the whole thing up, you'll need to keep working the system until your name is cleared. Hire a private detective if you have to. If your family has money, this shouldn't be as much of an issue than if you were poor.
If you're poor, you simply cannot afford to be this stupid, because this kind of mistake could set off a chain of events that can put you behind prison for life.
AEther_Flux 8y ago
My own mother and sister have turned the law on me multiple times in my life. Before my RP days I always tried to "make things right" but no longer will I waste any of my resources on those people. Listen to /u/monsieurhire2 OP he knows what he is talking about. I haven't spoken to my mother or sister in quite some time, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. I have been much happier since cutting ties.
[deleted] 8y ago
Hitching off the top comment.
OP, take a deep breath. You've already fucked up, and panicking is not going to fix anything. It's not over.
First, stop any contact with this woman now. If she keeps trying to leave notes or call you, get a restraining order against her. Do it the FIRST time she tries. She is made of radioactive poison and must be kept away. In fact, I would try to get an order now. See what your attorney can do. The civil matter is separate from the criminal one, and mutual restraining orders are very common. Courts recognize that two people can be a bad mix even if only one of them gets criminal charges. Get that restraining order.
Second, you're not in prison, so you have a future, just a difficult one. Judge hasn't changed the terms of the plea, correct? So eight years probation makes you 32 when it's over. Barely older than me. Once that comes around, start talking to a lawyer about getting your rights restored and your record cleaned up. If you're careful, you could be free and clear by 34, which is younger than when many men here get divorced and force-fed the pill.
In the meantime it will be difficult getting great employment, but by no means impossible to make a decent living. Resist the temptation to drink or do drugs; find a support group if your emotional state gets too bad (many churches group therapy/support sessions for free, and you can always talk to a priest even if you're not one of the faithful). Be careful to abide by the terms of your probation. State law may have some quirks, so read those on your own in addition to taking advice from your lawyer. Every state makes its statutes freely available to read, so go look it up and write down questions for your lawyer. You're on a computer now, so your probation can't include a prohibition against using the internet. You can still take online college courses, still do online freelance coding, so you can start building a career in computer science without too much trouble.
Take a day to soak it all up, but no more than that. Don't fall into the mental pity-party trap. That's how you end up three years from now, drunk or in prison. Start getting shit together tomorrow no matter how crappy you feel. Stop fucking up your probation right this second, get that woman legally bound to stay out of your life, and get to work making ends meet for the next few years. The first year is the hardest, so if you can beat that, you can beat all of them. Look forward to getting your rights restored at the end. The system is designed for people who fake being reformed, so it will fight you nearly every step, but it is not impossible to overcome.
RedBigMan 8y ago
^ This. As soon as someone appeals to the authorities they become an adversary/enemy. Treat them as such. This means covering your ass at all times because as OP showed you can be in the middle of a civil conversation and the person can just go absolutely batshit and throw dogs out of cars and run off to a random house. This is doubly true for women because of the 'women are wonderful' effect and how well they can screw you in the system by crying a few crocodile tears on the stand.
Mrbasie 8y ago
If you are poor you cant afford to be stupid. Thank you. Inspiration right there
RBuddDwyer 8y ago
That is the best, most accurate legal advice that has ever been given on this message board.
Snivellious 8y ago
The best lesson I have ever learned is: if someone involves the law in a matter, never try to de-escalate the amount of law involved.
If someone has their lawyer contact you, you don't answer until it's your lawyer responding (even if the situation is still amicable or business). If someone calls the cops, you embrace them and refuse to deal with the person without a police witness. If someone takes you to court, you countersue instead of trusting their promise to "drop the case".
No matter what the situation, going from a high-law, high-evidence environment to a low-law, low-evidence one is likely to get you into trouble. OP violated a court order (law) on the strength of a personal promise (not law).
I'm not sure I've ever spoken to someone who had previously made a legal threat against me.
neveragoodtime 8y ago
Women do this all the time. My ex wife got a protection order against me to get me out of the house when she filed for divorce. Cops came to my house to escort me out of my own home, and their advice was very clear, she will try to contact you, text you, tell you you can come over to pick up your stuff. Women do this all the time, and once you text her back, you've violated a court order and are under arrest. You go to pick up your things when she tells you you can come by and the cops are waiting there to arrest you. The cops are telling me this is what I should expect. True to your advice, I disappeared for two weeks. The only people who knew where I was or how to contact me were my parents and my lawyer. Don't trust anyone when it comes to the law except your lawyer. The system only wishes to chew you up.
Fafner2 8y ago
This is the big thing to note. We are hearing his side of the story, but this is presumably a fact, and reeks of stupidity on OP's side. Makes him look suspicious, and above all makes him a man who violated a court order.
If he had an ounce of dignity or brains, he would've taken any evidence of her trying to entice him for a meetup to his attorney to make his case that much stronger.
porcupinee 8y ago
I feel like he's omitting some information or is just pretty dumb.
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So much this. Had OP just totally avoided the woman and taken the evidence of her lying and attempting to contact him to his lawyer, then gone to the hearing on the protective order, the order would have likely been thrown out and OP could have walked free.
bamslang 8y ago
This... so much this. We presume that OP is telling the complete truth and that GF is a lying, manipulative bitch. OP was arrested and ordered by a judge not to have contact with her. OP was told what the consequences were if he does. OP knows the GF cheated on him and lied tot he police before (supposedly) and sent him to jail. OP wonders "WTF happened" when GF sends him to jail again and tries to deny all personal responsibility for putting himself in the situation that you don't have really any arguable defense to (violating a protective order).
RBuddDwyer 8y ago
Most restraining orders clearly state that only the court can reverse its order, and that the person who is protected under the order cannot change it or rescind it without the court's permission.
babybopp 8y ago
I think OP should take his story to the news media. There are huge chances that this woman has done the same shit to other men. Public shaming and Public opinion might also be a way to go and also work out as it will put pressure on the judge. At this stage there are no legal avenues that will be fair towards OP.
rp_valiant 8y ago
the media will always take the woman's side in any case, no matter how sympathetic the man is. Just look at mattress girl. It turned out she lied about the whole ordeal and the media just swept it under the rug.
destraht 8y ago
Sometimes bitches have done it X times over. Or next time is (X + 1).
balancespec2 8y ago
I always thought that bitch was dumb as fuck. what an attention slut.
Why would you carry a mattress around anyway? If anyrhing it slows you down and tires you out so you cant defend yourself as easily and gives you a convenient bed to be raped on in the event she actually was assaulted
Goomich 8y ago
Actually, she had others to carry it for her.
ChadThundercockII 8y ago
He can play on the fact that he is an army veteran. It will get him the same sympathy as a woman.
rp_valiant 8y ago
if only. Have you seen how many veterans are out on the streets? The respect for veterans is totally superficial.
ChadThundercockII 8y ago
I thought The USA respected its veterans. I guess they are expandable too.
rp_valiant 8y ago
I thought so too, and then I visited there. And then I looked into it more. They get cheered through airports and get to go to seaworld for free, but they don't get support from the government if they go homeless or suffer from mental illness i.e. PTSD.
rpersona 8y ago
That bitch that carried her mattress around her campus? That was a lie?
rp_valiant 8y ago
yep, the guy she accused is taking her and the university to court over it. He has evidence of consent through multiple text messages, some of which have been published online. They continued to hook up for weeks after until she decided to cry rape.
Let's be honest, do you know any real rape victims that made a porn tape recreating the supposed rape?
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rp_valiant 8y ago
holy shit dude, talk about reviving the dead post. Anyway, this article contains the text log between Sulkowicz and Nungesser:
http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/24/the-text-of-the-mattress-girl-lawsuit-will-shock-you/
He was also cleared of the rape charge in a court of law. This post has facebook messages between them (Paul nungesser used a fake name on FB):
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/03/columbia-student-i-didn-t-rape-her.html
rpersona 8y ago
LOL I didn't even know she made a recreation. I didn't follow closely enough. It sounded like a bunch of bull shit.
BowlOfCandy 8y ago
The President of the Uni refused to shake her hand when she walked the stage on graduation. There's a video, he manages to "distract" himself taking a sip of water when it's her turn to walk. Funny shit.
If I was an employer I would not hire her.
Eugenics2015 8y ago
Yea she made a recreation of it. OMG i fapped so hard to that shit man. Its missionary, you can see her butthole.
I have a major fetish for feminist cunts, but im too smart to fuck em myself
Mintaka7 8y ago
Can't say I've heard that before, be careful.
occupythekitchen 8y ago
She took anal like a champ not like someone who was raped
juliusstreicher 8y ago
I'm thinking of re-creation/simulation/reenactment, rather than recreation.
RPDBF 8y ago
You forgot to mention she made a porno, I mean "art" video about it after the fact. That women is despicable, even worse my congress women decided to invite her to the State of the Union, stupid liberals.
rp_valiant 8y ago
re-read the last sentence, I did cover that. Yes, she's a horrible human being but in the SJW narrative she's a Brave Survivor(tm) and is just expressing herself. Never mind that she was a performance art student and used the false rape accusation and subsequent mattress performance to pass her degree.
RPDBF 8y ago
Fuck I thought I deleted it lol I saw the ending the second after.
cocaine_face 8y ago
Oh yes. I read the entire Facebook exchange between them. She's constantly telling him how into him she is, how she wants to hang out, etc, etc, even a couple days after the supposed rape.
She just wanted attention.
DRMMR76 8y ago
The guy she accused as in another state when she said it happened.
absolucion 8y ago
Hahaha, you must be new here. That was a punchline in these parts for quite awhile. She was apparently dragging the mattress around after the fact trying to save face.
rpersona 8y ago
Yeah I've only been lurking about a month at most. Whats disgusting is the fact all those other bitches on her campus started helping her carry it.
absolucion 8y ago
Because it was about the message for them. They base their decisions on their fee-fees and not logic. This woman lied and could have cost an innocent man his life.
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HalfPastTuna 8y ago
What planet do you live on where any news organization is going to care about this?
rajesh8162 8y ago
What is a police witness and how does one normally get one ?
Snivellious 8y ago
I don't think it's a formal concept, but you can call the police (non-emergency, preferably) and tell them you're uncomfortable with the legality of a situation and would like them to clarify/be there. They might say no, but in relationship matters they'll often do it (like accompanying someone to pick their stuff up from an ex's house).
For a non-relationship example, I got in a minor car crash. The other person called the police, and then immediately started grilling me on whether I was drunk, texting, registered on the car, or anything else that would make the incident my fault. I very politely told him (over and over) that I didn't want to go through everything twice, and we could handle all those matters when the police arrived.
An interesting thought - if I couldn't get the police to witness something, I might challenge the other person to go sit in front of a notary with me for the conversation. You can simply pay them for their time, and they're a trustworthy person to subpoena if the issue goes that far.
[deleted] 8y ago
Jesus fuck sweet dreams "Land of the Free"
Wtf happened to the US...
CK_America 8y ago
I appreciate the reminder. It's easy not to be diligent about this.
destraht 8y ago
My best high school friend was taken down on an epic "catch the terrorists" shit as DHA (Department of Homeland Security) decided that Muslim terrorists (friend is a Mexican Christian real normal dude) like to sneak about on sexy underage politically motivated forums (just how fucking convenient for the Feds really, since, that is what they control already). I spent half of my last year there just epicallly furious about the situation. It wasn't even happening to me and I found myself so epically pissed the fucked off that my jaw was so tight that it was throwing my entire neck out of alignment. Sure, some obvious flaw in my character, undoubtedly.
In reality I'm not even on the continent and this is still really pissing me the FUCK OFF. Its not ok at fucking all. What do you do? I'm a programmer and so I can avoid the worst of all shit but my buddy was always on the dull side of things and we loved him but he was never, ever accused of being analytically smart. The FIND-THE-TERRORIST DHS programs love sad SOBs like my friend and they get their easy convictions. So easy and sad. If you had $25k then sure, fight that like a MTF and win it easy. Less than that you are a big stupid bitch asshole and you deserve to go to jail.
THE__USURPER 8y ago
Yep, ties needed to be severed as soon as the order was put into place. Many guys seemed to get nailed on the protective order violation. The female faces no consequences of initiating communication with the male, but for the male to reciprocate there are dire consequences. I have doubts about the IQ level of OP, because by being in her physical presence while the order was intact,he effectively handled her his balls and freedom on a platter.
randarrow 8y ago
Heard once of a guy getting arrested because of a protective order, and he responded to a call from her to bail her out of jail.
TitsAndWhiskey 8y ago
"You called in the law, Samson. You don't get to call 'em off just cause you're drunk and popular on payday."
Luckyluke23 8y ago
As phill laak once said - he would consider that a peronal rape of his privacey and he would never talk to that person again in his life.
Thats how you treat this shit. Dont see talk or think about them just move on
sirZofSwagger 8y ago
I am going to suggest something crazy, but hear me out. I think you should contact an animal rights group about what she did to your dog. This could potentially get the "pussy pass" on your side, women love animals. You need to press charges for the animals suffering, as any criminal charges will help in a civil suit. Then you civialy sue the hell outta her for everything at once, the dog, and the false claims.
Great-Band-Name 8y ago
Why would she admit to throwing the dog out of the car, she has lied about everything else.
sirZofSwagger 8y ago
She doesn't need to admit to it, she just needs hordes of angry animal rights activists blowing up all her social media and work.
its-iceman 8y ago
This could definitely backfire. It could be seen as a man who has pled guilty to a felony trying to harass his accused, or shine a spotlight on your conviction in the public eye.
sirZofSwagger 8y ago
If he is already considering leaving the country, how much worse could it get?
sir_wankalot_here 8y ago
Brilliant idea even if it doesn't work. The reason is that it doesn't cost OP anything, so even if it fails he has lost nothing.
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sirZofSwagger 8y ago
But its not evil the way the rape claims are, as far as we know she actually did hurt the dog.
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PrinceLeon 8y ago
You're joking right? The way that the court handled your situation given that you have "mountains of evidence" pointing towards that psycho bitch lying about the entire thing should allow you to sue both her and the court for a substantial amount of money.
Find a good lawyer and present him with the same amount of evidence you presented the court and tell the lawyer he can have a large chunk of your winnings after you successfully sue the ever loving shit out of the court and that psycho cunt.
And if that fails and you're looking at jail time, make sure you fuck that bitch up enough to have earned however long you're going away for
WidmerBeer 8y ago
I'm not promoting violence either... but listen to this man right here.
We can 'victim blame' as the SJW would say, which indeed we will to let others know just how bad your life can be. But if this man is truly innocent, then he should fight fire with fire and get a lawyer on his side to fight tooth and nail to see this woman is brought to justice.
Listen to the free legal advice given here, and godspeed. Hopefully you get some Lawyers who know a psycho cunt story when he hears one.
Sherlock--Holmes 8y ago
He's a felon, so he can't get a good job to earn the money to do that. At least not for several years..
Squeezymypenisy 8y ago
He better hope that new law is passed and that it applies to his crime.
j4q 8y ago
Can't sue the court. You could sue her, but you'll lose and probably be on the hook for her attorney's fees. All you can do is get help from friends to get a recording of her admitting fault. But first you need to check the eavesdropping/recording laws in your state, because in some states it's disallowed so the admission would be useless. Best of luck.
ScottDude13 8y ago
I'd step up the appeal to the state courts, use the evidence and hire a good attorney. If you're telling the truth, this is clean and clear obstruction of justice and perjury. Establish the case with the state and have the date set and then launch a civil suit for defamation/slander and emotional damages.
Go all out or go home.
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ComradeCynic 8y ago
The courts exempted themselves long ago. Even if they screw up 10000% you have no recourse. Only if the judge is so very corrupt, that you can prove it, in which case you can sue the judge, but again, not the court itself.
j4q 8y ago
Since always. You guys can upvote this comment all day, but it's false. You sue IN court. You do not sue THE court. This is basic stuff, people.
my_name_is_gato 8y ago
As a lawyer, I can confirm this. You can appeal a court ruling, but not sue the court directly.
no_face 8y ago
That's correct. A court is not a business or a government department that you can sue.
AFPJ 8y ago
This. Someone tries to destroy your life? Destroy theirs. Genders are irrelevant
PrinceLeon 8y ago
Exactly.
No sexism intended here, if anything I'm advocating gender equality by beating the ever living fuck out of her like you would do a man that is actively trying to ruin your life
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AFPJ 8y ago
To do nothing while someone rips your life apart is beyond stupid, it's asking to be a victim of natural selection.
There is no other advice that can be right other than this. You do what it takes to keep your life, period.
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AFPJ 8y ago
I'm listening. You want things to always be OK while being a Pacifist? Life doesn't work like that. And like I said in my reply to another dude who said pretty much what you did (this is terrible, ur awful AFPJ, I want everything OK while being a pacifist & moral white knight in my own right) the lesson here is to not get into this situation to begin with.
hirjd 8y ago
What are the nuts and bolts? Kill her? Torch her insured car? Throw her kid off a roof? Dogshit on her porch? I mean, WTF exactly are you saying. The comment is uselessly ethereal.
Thizzlebot 8y ago
Yeah but it's a nice justice circle jerk.
netherlanddwarf 8y ago
I learned what "ethereal" means from Skyrim.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
If you can't figure out 'the nuts and bolts', I think that you're a troll.
AFPJ 8y ago
And here, ladies and gentlemen, we have a prime example of failing to understand powertalk. Use your imagination
hirjd 8y ago
Eh, I thought power talk was more subtle than "fuck up her life".
R83 8y ago
I think that's a cop out answer. The question others and myself are wondering is, what would you specifically do if you were OP? I'm stupid and uncreative so help me out.
AFPJ 8y ago
The standard psychotic bitch toolkit: camera/mic pen, full ignore mode and pay someone else if it gets bad enough.
Prevention is ultimately the best medicine though and OP is just an extremely unfortunate case of "too little, too late".
If OP had paid attention on this sub he'd know the fact that a woman would never self-incriminate and to just ignore her deceiving cunt words and pay attention to her actions and present her "promises" directly to his lawyer instead.
This went really wrong and (extremely unfortunate, again, I fully sympathize) the second he responded in any way.
Don't ask me what you'd pay someone else to do. That's asking me to suggest something Nazi US considers illegal.
Like business consulting, if you have problems and if you give someone enough money - they'll always solve them.
R83 8y ago
Yes everyone is aware OP is an idiot and should have prevented this, no one is arguing against that.
The question was applied to this. What would be some examples of "destroying" theirs?
AFPJ 8y ago
Stop trying to make me spell out what should only be said off the record between close friends on the internet.
Do you really need a breakdown of what entails destroying someone's life? OP has a description in his post.
[deleted] 8y ago
He can't sue the court. he accepted a plea. He admitted to a felony in court, knowingly and voluntarily. It's OVER. He has to chalk this one up.
favours_of_the_moon 8y ago
Not only that, he violated the previous court order. YOU LOSE.
TRPhd 8y ago
Never, ever, under any circumstances, intentionally or unintentionally, violate any kind of restrictive order. If you did accidentally, call your lawyer IMMEDIATELY and ask for advice. (Tell him/her first, don't let them hear it from the prosecutor.)
Leave the city/town if you can. Seriously, protection orders are Get-Into-Jail-Free cards. If you don't care about jail, fine, you won't care, but if you are focused on self-improvement and building a good life those things are like cyanide. Run-fucking-run.
Snivellious 8y ago
No joke. The (verbal, so you can't even prove it) invitation to come over isn't going to change the outcome of violating an explicit court order.
Fair or not, this is a case of "You're actually guilty, and you admitted it, try and mitigate the charges".
trpftw 8y ago
It's really silly though that if there's phone evidence that someone invites you over that they somehow can still charge you with violating the court order.
Is it the order that matters, or the truth? The truth should always matter more.
Snivellious 8y ago
To a really impressive degree, it's the order. This isn't just about gender, this is about US law across the board.
As creepy as it is, the ideal of "a smoothly functioning legal system" is raised above the ideal of "justice for all". In one Supreme Court case a few years back, the court had to decide whether a man convicted of murder deserved a retrial after errors in the prosecution's evidence were revealed.
The court determined that with the new evidence, the man probably wouldn't have been convicted initially. They also determined that he did not deserve a new trial. Their explicit reasoning was that re-opening every case where a conviction was simply less likely would be too challenging, so only cases where the evidence overwhelmingly changes the result should be re-opened.
The justice system exists to resolve problems, and while it prefers to do so fairly, fairness is pretty explicitly not it's first goal.
trpftw 8y ago
It's really disgusting how sometimes even the supreme court etc., don't care about justice or truth-seeking, but rather procedure or saving time.
Fairness is supposed to be the goal of courts.
squidracer 8y ago
However, she did as well by getting in his truck.. She isn't supposed to make contact as well
juliusstreicher 8y ago
By 'she' do you mean the girl whom he forced to get into the truck? When she felt pressured/intimidated/threatened to get into it?
favours_of_the_moon 8y ago
This dude needed to collect all the messages, all the texts, all the letters and present that to a judge. Show the judge that SHE is the crazy one.
He did not do that.
squidracer 8y ago
Yea, he was pretty dumb.. He should've recorded everything. They even make an app for that
Interversity 8y ago
The burden of not entering the restricted space is on the defendant, within reason (i.e. you can't violate a restraining order in your own home if the person doesn't also live there).
squidracer 8y ago
No contact orders mean she is not supposed to contact him. Going to her house was stupid, but getting in his truck was also stupid..
user_none 8y ago
Nope, doesn't work that way. The person whom has the protective order against someone can initiate contact all they want. It is the burden of the person restrained to not initiate, nor respond.
edit: in California, at least.
Interversity 8y ago
Didn't say it wasn't stupid. Didn't say she wasn't a dumbass and a bitch. But he broke the restraining order. There's no two ways about it. It doesn't matter what happened afterwards - it would have had the same result if he sat in her driveway and waited for the cops to come.
squidracer 8y ago
They both broke the order..
I had to file harassment charges years ago and almost had to go this route.. Both me and the girl I was dating at the time were told that nethier of us were to contact the violating party if a restraining order was put in place.
RPSigmaStigma 8y ago
Once he's within proximity of her, she could always claim he threatened her or otherwise forced her in the car. Even if you're technically right in your legal analysis, it would never actually be taken seriously in court.
squidracer 8y ago
Well, part of that is op's fault for not recording or documenting.. Well, and going to her house.. Courts like evidence.
In my case I piled evidence and called the police several times so there would be a paper trail.. And thank God I did, or else I would've been in this exact same situation
vengefully_yours 8y ago
Depends, my ex could do anything she wanted, I couldn't contact her or even look at her. She made up everything and got the order with zero proof of anything. Hell, I want even mad at her the second time she did it. The first time she did it she came to me and wanted to fuck, I made her wait until after she cancelled it. Both times she did it is because I kicked her out, the first time for talking to a meth addict two states away, the second floor actually cheating. Had to make me look like the villain, so of to get the order and fuck up my life.
She can do anything she wants, even come to my house and harass me if she has one. I can't do anything about it.
squidracer 8y ago
I had an ex that tried to pull that but I flipped it on her..
I documented everything, pulled all phone records, and got witnesses. Every single time she contacted me I immediately called the police and filed a report.. After about 7 reports she was basically informed (by the law), that she was looking at major trouble if she continued
trpftw 8y ago
You needed to get a restraining order yourself against her.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
The funny thing is, they wouldn't let me. The same judge does all of them, and he is friends with her dad.
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And people are just supposed to automagically know how the law system works?
How? They don't get taught it in school.
We live in a ridiculous, unfair and cruel society.
trpSenator 8y ago
He could get it reviewed again if his current lawyer is able to show incompetence from his last attorney, which is common. Sometimes lawyers (the shadier) will actually do something minor and insignificant, yet can be interpreted as incompetent, just to prep their client for an appeal. It's not common, but it does happen.
The issue here is whether or not the judge denied his motion with prejudice. If it's done with prejudice, then it's done and over, and there is practically nothing he can do.
Given OP's account of this, he's either 1) holding back information 2) completely fucking lying and pulling a troll on us.
I mean, come on. His own lawyer told him he has 30 days to change his mind, rather than 30 days to challenge it? that's shit crime bosses tell someone that just got jailed, not an attorney. That level of deceit could get his license taken away.
Snivellious 8y ago
Yeah...
This isn't about gender roles, an anti-male justice system, or anything else. Copping to a felony in a US court means you're going to end up convicted of something, end of story.
At this point it's all about determining the damage, especially since he technically did violate the protective order.
through_a_ways 8y ago
Yes it is. If it weren't for those things, OP wouldn't be in trouble in the first place.
He's fucking stupid, but the "women are wonderful" effect allows his stupidness to be severely punished, while allowing female stupidness to go unpunished, even if it's orders of magnitude higher.
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BluepillProfessor 8y ago
You can only set aside a plea for good cause.
How is this a felony. You violated a court order so I got that, but what is the felony to which you pled?
Also, this is not the end of the world. You can get even a felony conviction erased after 6 years- so go get a degree where your felony record doesn't matter and then make it go away. I have seen guys serve 6-10 years for a false conviction so in that sense you got off light. Look on the bright side. You still have your youth, your health, your experiences and education, and your freedom. You lost your innocence and the price was costly but I have seen a lot worse.
Oftowerbroleaning 8y ago
It was originally a misdemeanor, but I was indicted (read secret court), and they upped it to a felony and arrested me at court a third time.
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
So it was a habitual 3rd (aka felony) with 2 of the 3 arising from the same transaction. Lovely how they do that and very disgusting. You pled out, the appeal is not "of right" but is "by leave" and leave was not granted. I am pretty sure that is the end of the line- even actual innocence is not a good defense to a plea freely entered in many States.
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8 years is not that long. You can manage it. You are a good person and probation is not a problem for you.
Do everything you can to never, ever cross path of that woman again. Change city, country, whatever you can.
start your own business as a counteraction to potential employment problems.
One_friendship_plz 8y ago
While this is 100% possible and does happen to people, your reddit history has you consistently posting for days.
Did they put you in jail just for a couple hours or something, and you never let this bother you till now?
Oftowerbroleaning 8y ago
Last time I was in jail was August.
One_friendship_plz 8y ago
Oh I'm sorry man, noticed you're new to TRP. Shit, if only you found this place by then.
Sdom1 8y ago
No single moms. EVER. When people tell me, "I just fuck them, what could happen?" I just want to choke them. Single mothers just have a much higher potential to be a whack job. I'll bet there were lots of other warning signs you ignored, of course.
Also, I knew what was coming when I read "order of protection." Dude, oldest trick in the book. Get the order, then lure you into a meeting and bam! No matter what reason you provide, you violated the order and you're screwed.
I don't really know where you go from here. I would definitely sue the first attorney, though.
machimus 8y ago
I'm not saying they're all bad, but...
-They have Motive and
-Opportunity is built into the system
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I would add to this and say that if she's taking medication for anything other than birth control, avoid her like the plague! That little red bottle should be a big red flag, because it mean one of two things:
She is taking it for something stupid like anxiety and it is totally incapable of dealing with basic day to day shit by herself.
worldnewsrager 8y ago
Yea, I've gotten in a situation over single-mothers. Met at work, she was 7-years older, I was 21 but she had a big round ass and a raging sex drive. I was constantly ignoring warning signs, shit even her mother would tell me she had 'attachment problems' and all this shit. All ignored. 6-months later I was sitting in court over 'telephonic harassment' charges and her trying to insinuate i'd molested her 3-year old daughter. She didn't show at my arraignment, she didn't show at the first court date and she didn't show at the second. Between bail, impound and missed work for about 5 days, I was out a few grand. Though I count myself as lucky though that that molestation shit never caught traction. I swore off single-mothers. Never stick your dick in single-mothers.
neocelt 8y ago
Dude you fucking dodged a whole mess of bullets. Damn son you lucky. I thank god I haven't had this shit in my life though it's gotten close.
ChadThundercockII 8y ago
Stick your dick in them and do the same shit they would do to you.
bigeyedbunny 8y ago
They're single mums exactly because they were so crazy and mentally ill and psycho that they forced the father of the child away from... This says everything you need to know about single mums
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And god help you if it's multiple children from multiple men who didn't stick around!
LyricBaritone 8y ago
That's not a fair characterization, sometimes the dad really is a deadbeat piece of shit. The reason single moms are precarious for dating is that they will always put themselves and their children before you.
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when this topic came up a few months ago, betas on here reached the 'conclusion' that it's ok if she's a single mom due to her husband dying
it's BS too - the wife will still miss and want him, the kid will have a harder time viewing you as the real father, there are extra mental health risks from both the wife who lost her husband and the kid that lost its father
unfortunate, yes , but unless you're the janitor of the dating world, picking up the trash ( in the case of crazy single moms) or cleaning up messes (in the case of the widow where youre left to sort out the pieces), stay away from that shit
but retards are too dumb to listen - like always
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Correct about the order of protection.
For people not used to this situation, the temptation to take the easy way out and make a handshake deal is very strong. No one wants to deal with the legal process involved with protective orders. Resist this fucking urge. Give your lawyer and the system time to work. Law is as much an endurance game as anything else. Obey the order, and if she attempts to make contact, take out an order against her. Courts do mutual protective orders all the time. They are biased against men, yes, but cops, prosecutors, and judges see crazy bitches all the time. They will react much more intelligently than you think if you don't screw it up and just let her build the case against herself. Do not give leeway, do not forgive or ignore her issues because it's a pain in the ass to deal with. The court cannot punish her for bad acts that you don't report.
Sdom1 8y ago
Exactly. In law, you're into the realm of strategy. Doing what you FEEL like doing will destroy you each and every time. There's a reason it's unethical for a lawyer to take on someone they know as a client.
For all we say women are the more emotional sex, many men are just as emotional.
Sherlock--Holmes 8y ago
I've been banging single moms for 20+ years without a single incident. 100% of them have been good people. Maybe I'm lucky or maybe I just can smell crazy..
Askada 8y ago
I have dated one single mom. Fuck me, she was a good person, not even remotely malicious and wasn't even interested in commitment. Lack of time was probably the only issue.
Sdom1 8y ago
Hey, I've been running around on the highway without getting hit. Maybe I'm lucky, or maybe I'm just really good at dodging cars.
wimmyjales 8y ago
Same. I know we speak in generalizations around here, but the general rules are too often taken as universal rules. The truth is single moms are not to be avoided entirely. HOWEVER they should be put under the microscope from the beginning even more so than you normally would. Both of your points are partially valid, in my opinion.
ATrashMan 8y ago
I have fucked/date two single moms. One was batshit crazy, the other was just pretty fucking crazy. NEVER. AGAIN.
Voshe 8y ago
What age groups are we talking about here?
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Sherlock--Holmes 8y ago
It's no more safe fucking women without children.
NaClAgNO3 8y ago
Of course it is not more safe. It's that single moms have a greater arsenal to do damage like arbitrarily saying "Also he abused my child". There is also greater variances of types of single mothers than say types of women because it is difficult to categorize a single mom that is dangerous to be with by looking at the signs (like dyed hair, other than being a single mom) or red flags that is hidden well.
So both of them are not safe when the shit hits the fan but I could say women without children are more reliable like having easier to read signs to categorize or lesser capacity to deal damage. Unless if a man is a smooth operator then he has a significantly low chance of one turning crazy. Additionally women seems more explosive if they know or able to know more about you, with single moms for some reason the effect is greater.
Sherlock--Holmes 8y ago
I prefer single moms because they're easy pickins. Even when I was younger I didn't like to play games and find the women without children to be more challenging on a day-to-day basis with all their options. Plus, I don't know how old you are but once you get over 35 there are very few women left without kids, and single women everywhere. It's too much effort to filter them. I'm 48 and my choices are dwindling fast.. My girlfriend has two girls both teenagers, one is 18. There are very few problems aside from the monthly hormone induced crisis they all put us through..
mrheh 8y ago
No you aren't crazy, you're actually intelligent and redpill. The single mom topic just exposes the younger clueless bullshit red pillers who don't have any experience.
jaynort 8y ago
On board with this opinion. I can understand single mother being a red flag, but not something that absolutely eliminates all possibility for you to fuck, or even be in a relationship with her. It's not as black and white a topic as people think. I guess it can be if you think that makes life easier for you, but you close yourself off from a lot of good girls who didn't really get much of a choice in the way their life turned out. Being a single mother doesn't make them lesser human beings unworthy of the same attention you'd afford someone without kids.
speed3_freak 8y ago
Yep. Most single mom's I've run across know they're damaged goods and even though they do stupid/crazy stuff still have good intentions, and truly want to create a good home life for their kids. I always am up front about not making it anything serious, and If they're older than 5 or 6 avoid meeting the kids like the plague. If she get it into her mind that she can convince me to love her, usually they will go above and beyond until it inevitably end after a few months.
LyricBaritone 8y ago
All single mothers, at one point, had the choice to (A) Not have unprotected sex, and then (B) Have an abortion. Saying they don't have choices is misleading.
jaynort 8y ago
As if it's not possible to get pregnant with a condom. Some women, a lot of women, see abortion as just a step short of murder and wouldn't do it. A lot of women can't give up their child when they're born, that emotional attachment is deep, which goes without saying. Some choices really aren't choices to some people.
Independent of this, maybe a condom wasn't used, and the child was born to a faithful husband at the time who then cheated and she couldn't put up with it anymore, and now she has the kids. This is not uncommon. So now she's divorced because she made a choice to remove herself from a shitty situation and now she gets to deal with super redpill men treating her like a substandard class of woman because she has kids. Which is probably welcome to her. It shows her who to avoid.
It's not so black and white.
LyricBaritone 8y ago
You can also just add onto that, (3) Having casual sex without being on the pill, or other forms of contraceptive in addition to a condom.
jaynort 8y ago
Man, it seems like you're arguing as though I'm saying all single moms are just good people who got handed a shitty lot in life. That's not the case, obviously, there are plenty of psycho crazy manipulative single moms out there, the same way there are single women that act in a similar way. I'm just saying that dudes who say "No single moms," are shutting themselves off to the good ones out there, the same way a guy that said, "No women without kids," would be closing themselves off to the good girls out there without them.
LyricBaritone 8y ago
I actually agree with your point. I'm just saying it's myopic to ignore that these women have choices, very few women are straight up forced into single motherhood.
remyseven 8y ago
A lot of men are just scared of the extra baggage, just as a woman is scare of single dads because of the extra baggage. The truth is, we all want an ideal relationship... we have this idea of what that looks like, and it usually doesn't involve another person's kids.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
Most of the single girls around here who aren't from out of state are single moms. I've gotten to the point where I ask where they're from, and if they say "here" I give them a disgusted look and say "Oh" in a condescending tone and walk away.
aDrunkenWhaler 8y ago
This is quite stupid but it made me laugh.
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They're fucking scum. They have NO problem ruining their own child's life? You think they'll be civil with you? Ha.
prodigy2throw 8y ago
Sadly this is one of those things guys won't realize until they experience it first hand.
BigBoBPitts 8y ago
I wouldn't say all single mothers are "scum" lmao. My mother was a single mom and would never pull any crazy shit like that. Women become single mothers fro all types of reasons.
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babybopp 8y ago
This is my personal list of women I avoid
single moms: EDIT: here is why. IF it is not daddy issues it is either one of these. Alpha widow, crazy Ex boyfriend, the mom herself is the crazy one, kid problems, if she has daughters best stay the fuck away from them , if you break up with her she could easily accuse you of molesting her kids, there is no time for doing anything because kids, ex husband/boyfriend/ex in law issues, etc.. and always wear a rubber with them before you end up on an episode of maury and never be left alone with their kids.
Girls whose mom divorced their dad and she "raised" them.- They have no father figure in their lives. usually find all their sisters are single. they are raised to believe men are evil and commitment is a sign of weakness. When one gets a boyfriend they make it a "it is either him or us" thing. Same with the divorced mother, she guilt trips her daughters into you are having fun while she found happiness in being a spinster shit. These girls make the worst kind of girlfriends. They are conditioned not to respect men. Give your heart to a man and he will shit on it. If you find a single girl early to late 30's who spends an unusual amount of time talking to her mom on the phone about everything including your sexual escapades.. move on
control freaks- a woman who wants to control your every move. these women usually have anger issues. stay away. how to know you have bagged one, when she gets mad at you for following the GPS instructions to go somewhere, when she "knows" a better and faster route.
women who berate, insult or belittle people. it is just a matter of time before it is you. How to spot one. If you see her talk shit to her family member and treat him badly or gets mad at a stranger for a small reason, like a waiter.. one day it will be you she talks to like that. Her kindness and gentle nature towards you is just a facade to rope you in.
narcissists, it will never be about both of you. Selfies galore, move on..
Women who treat pets like children. Reality is her dog is more important than you.
loud violent and mean women. aka ratchets.
leeches and gold diggers. she never buys you anything, she never pays for anything, all her money somehow finds its way to her mom's account to "support" her...
women who think that the mere fact you are fucking them is a heavenly gift. Do not participate in mutual sex. Expect their pussy licked, never give blowjobs. use sex as a tool for manipulation in relationships. Lie like a fucking log when being fucked, DOESN'T do doggy and you can forget about anal...because her daddy raised her to be that special snowflake that is one of a kind.
and most importantly, never date a rebound. They are the most unstable and have psycho tendencies. They are extremely manipulative in grooming a man to think that he is the one. Slowly the psycho leaks out and the man realizes he is a shadow of what she wants. Her inner hamster has slowly raised the Ex who dumped her to godlike status. Every memory exaggerated and makes her heart flutter. Somehow, you keep bumping into her Ex when you are together, she takes you to places and do things she used to do with her ex. She is the worst kind of woman to date especially if she has been alpha widowed, she will drop you like a turd in water. And then you are left wondering.." didn't she constantly complain that her ex used to cheat and beat her up???"
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hirjd 8y ago
I think you just derived unicorn.
Unifire 8y ago
I am learning so much from this comment alone
pdtrading 8y ago
I fucking love you! You just hit the nail on some of the women that I have met, and even am currently noticing. Such a clear distinct way to realize this truth. Hear him out guys, this is 99% America right now.....granted even the eastern world.
IS_SUBTLY_IRRELEVANT 8y ago
This should be made into a post. Solid list.
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[deleted] 8y ago
Can... can you do a list of what qualities you'd like in your partner?
neocelt 8y ago
" give your heart to a man and he will shit on it"
I'm confused , explain?
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eternal_temptation 8y ago
are you sure after this list you are left over with women?
I think they are called unicorns... :D
Good list mate.
trpftw 8y ago
I was about to say I think my last girlfriend checks off 7 out of 10 of those boxes. In fact, many of them are exactly why I dumped her.
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It just occurred to me how being a 'unicorn' really, honestly shouldn't be all that difficult for most self respecting women to achieve. Yet they're so extremely rare these days.
eternal_temptation 8y ago
they could if they had the capacity to apply logic.
They want the "feelz" now... and they are not the only ones like that... Even men have forgotten about Delaying gratification.
This is why TRP as a concept is very much required in life. You need to delay gratification right now to enjoy the life longer and make it more pleasurable.
hiphoprising 8y ago
Is this a thing? Do some girls really not take it from behind?
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hiphoprising 8y ago
If someone's worried about all of those things during sex, it's not going to be fun regardless of position.
Chadtheslayer 8y ago
So you want me to avoid 80% of women in the USA?
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Overkillengine 8y ago
Hey if you want to play Russian Roulette, feel free. Just try not to die on a public sidewalk. Having to step over a rotting corpse when going about one's day is inconvenient.
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Dude I wouldn't touch 95% of women in their twenties, let alone women as a whole.
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neocelt 8y ago
Nope, avoid ALL American women. Seriously FOBs are better than this shit. US women. Are conditioned to be disrespectful
The_Fat_Lannister 8y ago
I'd argue that most of them are more encouraged to be disrespectful, imho. Disrespect is a tool against the Patriarchy!
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LyricBaritone 8y ago
The problem is that the 80% of women displaying these crazy traits have plenty of overlap with the 20% top attractive women that you're striving for.
youeatlikeachild 8y ago
If at least 8 out 10 girls aren't disqualifying themselves to you in some way on average, you are living too dangerously and fucking with too many crazy bitches that are high risk in some way.
15 out of every hundred girls you talk to are worthy of being a plate, 5 are worthy of some type of longer term thing, 2-3 of those 5 are worthy as an LTR, 1 of those 2-3 could be worthy of bearing your children.
RacialRealism 8y ago
So say you filter out 19 women of every 1 you meet. Then you have a 60% chance of getting this girls number.
So now you have to go through 60 something women eveytime you want to get a number? Not really good odds.
A lot of these bad types of women make perfectly fine plates as you can drop them at any moment.
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I'm pretty sure the point of the red pill is to improve on yourself so that the odds go up from 60 percent to as high as you can make it. It's about becoming someone of value.
RacialRealism 8y ago
Regardless of how high value you become, it's very doubtful you will get 100% success. Some women simply are not interested / are married and not planning on cheating.
Most of the girls who would sleep with a guy off the street or one of the 19 women you just filtered as well. If you want a slut, don't ask her to be mentally stable.
psycho-logical 8y ago
I said over 80 not 95. But let's even use your numbers. 60 something women, but you can filter almost all of them visually. Only have to approach the one's you're attracted who don't have immediate red flags. Your 60% number success is wrong though. Even guys with high SMV aren't on that level.
yuube 8y ago
There are women on this list that should be used as plates and are going to be some of your better sex partners. You're avoiding too many women.
redpillbanana 8y ago
This is a good list. A few items that are conspicuously missing (and we could probably easily make this list hundreds of items long):
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I had an ex-fiancee that fell under your first bullet point.
The scary part is that I was in the gallery for her day in court, and even after that I couldn't tell you if she fell into sub-bullet #1 or #2. Initially, I believed #1, but after going through the kangaroo court trial, #2 became a serious possibility. That episode was also very educational about the true nature of the US justice, I mean "just us" system.
There were other red flags, like financial problems, rage issues, and insulting me in public. I wrestled with leaving for a long time because it was my first super-serious relationship.
She also tried to get the law involved when I told her it was over. This involved making a lame attempt to frame me for petty theft.
I see posts like this and other horror stories around, and I am so glad I grabbed the eject handle and preserved my freedom.
I've been able to do things in my career and travel to places that never would have happened if I'd tied the knot with her.
redpillbanana 8y ago
It sounds like your ex fell under more than just one bullet point - she had an entire bunting of red flags.
Thank goodness you made it out relatively unscathed.
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Jaridan 8y ago
it kinda of depends where you grow up, i have 2 cousines that grew up in a "farm" environment (it's still right in the city, more or less) that had horses and horseriding when they were younger.
And they were not batshit crazy and disrespectful lol :D
babybopp 8y ago
women with horses.. that is so true.
Rita Crundwell manipulated to what is the biggest municipal fraud in the history of America. Whe was the treasurer of Dixon Illinois and embezzled $53.7 million from the city of dixon over 22 years to support her quarter horse breeding operation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_Crundwell
The city had problems with roads, police, wages, social services. She did not care about any of that. She was caught after going on vacation and a substitute looked over the books. Funny thing is that the horse breeding made no money. Prizes for winning were relatively small. people always assumed she was making bank from the breeding that is why she was rich.
redpillbanana 8y ago
A crazy horse lady that was crazy enough to have a Wikipedia entry - now I've seen it all.
Thanks for the info, that's a fascinating read.
babybopp 8y ago
there is a documentary american greed did on her. fascinating stuff. cant find the link but here is the trailer.
https://youtu.be/LVFRT2fF5uc
redpillbanana 8y ago
I'm going to have to catch that episode - looks interesting.
This chart is insane: https://imgur.com/Q7WscMA
babybopp 8y ago
when trp teaches you that women want to live autonomous lives and have other people bear the responsibilities of the consequences, not responsible for their actions and use emotions to feel.. it is the truth. Can you imagine the prize for this horse breeding was in most cases just a trophy with a $2500 top prize.
redpillbanana 8y ago
That's truly sad. This woman spent millions for horses + validation.
They recently auctioned off some of her assets and netted a whopping $47k. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-rita-crundwell-auction-20151104-story.html
mrheh 8y ago
I understand your concerns about single moms but they are not all pieces of shit. Sometime people get caught up, make mistakes and not all guys are worth staying with. Most dudes are white knight faggots who make you want to blow your brains out after a few years. We are not most guys. I come from a single mother who married my dad with a kids. My sisters dad was awesome till he started doing heroin and became a monster. My mom left him, met my dad who is the epitome of redpill. They've been married almost 35 years. When it comes to single moms take shit slow and feel her out. Test her and she how she responds to situations. Watch and read tv show, movies, books and news articles and see her opinions on topics that give you insight into her past and mentally when it comes to relationships and life style choices. You can't just say stay away from single moms they are valueless. Some single moms are the shit and will be a great benefit to your life. You say be smart, put work in and figure out if she's a single mom because she's a crazy cunt or she's single because she can't deal with weak ass beta shit. A bad bitch won't lower herself and stay with a beta bitch so you can't blame her for leaving him. I'm 100% redpill, saying shit like "No single moms. EVER." is lower level childish thinking.
Sdom1 8y ago
Hey, one time I swam in a lake that had alligators in it. I didn't get eaten, so surely I'd be wrongheaded to warn people away from swimming in alligator infested waters.
Saying "X is dangerous/stupid, don't do it" isn't the same as "If you do X, you have a 100% chance of dying/getting fucked over." I'm saying that the risk is high enough both absolutely and relatively to the reward that you're better off never ever engaging in the behavior at all.
It's like the old rule, never point a gun at someone even if you're sure it's not loaded. The reason is obvious: even though mistakes concerning the status of the gun are rare, the damage done in those rare events is bad enough that it's never worth it to do it at all. Absolute risk and risk/reward are both waaaay too high to even consider it.
mrheh 8y ago
You're comparing apples and oranges while finding ways to make it sound logical when it isn't. If you have a solid mentality you won't get caught up by a crazy woman kid or no kid. Actually, that just gave me a thought. Most people on here are either new guys or young and haven't had the experiences to read women and weed out the crazy ones. Point taken my argument is for actual men who can read women quickly seeing through the bullshit should have no problem with single mom.
Sdom1 8y ago
A faster guy can avoid cars better but shouldn't be playing on the highway. The analogy is in regards to risk/reward and absolute risk, and holds. It's not an apples to oranges comparison.
Look, it's been well established that single moms are on the whole bad news and you shouldn't get involved with them. I only touched on one of these reasons, but it's a compelling one.
Some things just aren't attractive risk/reward wise, and honestly, everything else being equal, why do you want a woman that's had children? In the vast majority of cases it fucks up her body. That's OK if she's your wife and has had YOUR children, but why suffer for another man's biological imperitive?
I can see if you're old as fuck and are dating divorcees, but jesus.
Camille11325 8y ago
This sounds like NAWALT type thinking. Are there are exceptions to the generalisation? Yes. But it is not worth it for a man with options (or a man working to increase his options) to put in time and effort on a single mother when there are plenty of other women out there without that specific red flag and source of baggage. Also most single moms are not single because "she can't deal with weak ass beta shit". Having children outside of marriage is a reflection of poor decisions and poor character. Even if your hypothetical woman existed, leaving the father of her children due to lack of respect is a HUGE sign that she is not LTR/wife material.
Who wants to deal with a combative, masculinised, disrespectful, cocky, and most likely jaded woman who already has a child that they will always put ahead of you? What a waste of effort.
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Camille11325 8y ago
You realise that TRP and RPW are comprised of a hundreds and thousands of people right? Some are pro marraige others are against. Personally I am in favour of marraige, and it is for RP reasons, whereas others come to a different conclusion because of different priorities. If you'd like for me to walk you through the various reasonings I can but if you read around the manosphere in general and both subs I think it's pretty obvious why there is a range of positions.
mephitmpH 8y ago
You don't need to walk me through anything. I do understand why there is a range of positions, however your comment exudes a certain narrow-mindedness on the subject. After all, you do realize that not all single mothers become that way by choice?
Camille11325 8y ago
We are talking about in general, what is most optimal for men with options and men trying to increase their options. Dating and committing to single mothers is not the best strategy considering the goals of most of the men here. The reasons behind a woman becoming a single mother are not relevant when there are plenty of other eligible women without that trait.
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Camille11325 8y ago
We both agree that dating single mothers isn't the best strategy, if a man shares this same outlook, then it really does not matter why she is a single mother, he will not consider her eligible for a relationship with him. It may differentiate this single mother from others, but it is not relevant to a man of value seeking a long term partner.
How are you RP and uncomfortable with generalisations? And I'm not sure if you realised this but the part that you quoted was me referring to a woman who a) is a single mom and b) would identify with the term "bad bitch" I was not speaking about all single mothers here just the specific type of woman you spoke about.
My responses to you have absolutely nothing to do with how I feel about the OP and his choices. I literally wasn't even thinking about his situation when responding to you. There is no "shaming" occurring towards him and I'm honestly confused as to how you could interpret my words in this manner, I didn't even mention the OP once.
No idea how this is relevant to our conversation. Your initial comment reeked of NAWALT and that was what I took issue with, I'm not sure why you are connecting it to unrelated things.
mephitmpH 8y ago
You don't agree that it should be? Why not?
I never claimed to be!
I realize that, I was referring to your original post to the OP.
I certainly hope so :)
aga080 8y ago
bitch threw your fucking dog? thats some shameful ass shit, that dog did nothing to deserve that.
ChadThundercockII 8y ago
You are the only one, in this thread, who cared about the dog. If it was my dog, I would hire someone to kill her in some mysterious accident that won't link to me.
I punch people in the face just for abusing the cats I feed in my neighborhood.
youeatlikeachild 8y ago
Dashcam, the Russians do come up with a good idea once in awhile. Someone help me here, couldn't you get away with smashing a bitches skull in the second she threw your dog out of a moving car?
I mean if you had the video evidence, isn't that temporary sanity? (oh sorry insanity) at the very least?
Captain_Unremarkable 8y ago
No offense, but you're a fool for violating your court order and meeting up with her. Hope you saved those soliciting communications from her, because now your life depends on it.
Appomattoxx 8y ago
There's nothing I can do for the OP, but for anyone else a few things:
1.) A woman can call the police at anytime and say you assaulted her. If she does, you will most likely go to jail. This is just a fact. Sorry.
2.) If there's a protective order, that means stay the fuck away from her. It doesn't matter how many times she calls, texts, or comes over. The protective order applies to you, not to her. She does not have authority to change it - only the judge does.
If she calls or texts or leaves messages, RECORD THEM. But do not respond. If she comes to your house, call the police, and ask them to issue a trespass warning. It's your house: she has no right to be there.
3.) Never ever agree to a plea bargain for something you didn't do. Laws vary from state to state, but as a general matter your chances of undoing a plea bargain are between slim and nothing.
doogedud 8y ago
The cops arrested you for violating the protective order, because you violated the protective order. You did this to yourself.
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OP, you fucked up big time here:
A court ordered you to stay away from her, and you disobeyed that order. You completely fucked that up.
She's a terrible person and you did nothing malicious to her, but you cannot disobey court orders, even if they're based on lies and the protected person reaches out to you.
Had you not contacted her, kept all the evidence of her contacting you during the 60 day period, and shown it to the judge during the hearing that was probably scheduled for the end of the 60 days, the order may well have been tossed out and you could have walked a free man.
Best advice for anyone suddenly slapped with a protective order: do not have any contact whatsoever --physical, phone, text, email, facebook, smoke signal-- with the protected person (don't even discuss them with friends or family). Keep ANY evidence of their lying to get the order, and any contact they attempt with you during the order. Hire a criminal defense attorney, go to the hearing on the order with your evidence and your lawyer, fight to have the order dropped, and then NEVER have ANY contact with the person again, regardless of what happens.
The feminist lobby has made protective orders so overpowered and easy to get that it's not even funny.
3rt41 8y ago
I just want to say that i am sorry and that i am shocked by reading this.
glass_daggers 8y ago
Yall Motherfuckers are gullible as hell.
RPRedhead 8y ago
Sorry this happened to you, brother. Orders for Protection (OfPs) are insane and totally unfair. I know because my ex put one on me to start our divorce. Someday I may tell that story here.
You've made at least two mistakes so far. One, violating the initial OfP. NEVER, EVER do that. Violating it usually makes it permanent and\or gets you convicted. Two, you should have lawyered up THE INSTANT you were served.
Best wishes fighting it. Sounds like it may be an uphill battle. But know this: Your future is not ruined, just altered. Your life is not over. It sucks, but you can overcome.
auggie8 8y ago
$7,500 seems like a bit much. Lawyer gouged you.
DancingC0w 8y ago
Doesn't say for how long he had the lawyer. 7k isn't that crazy if there were multiple encouters between them.
RidleySmith 8y ago
Kill her and leave the country
DontEatTheDaisies 8y ago
Jesus fucking christ why did you meet up with her again knowing that you had an order on you? Why wouldn't you show all those texts and letters to the cops when they happened. I mean seriously you could have avoided all of this AND got her on falsifying a police report. Holy shit.
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Aiadon 8y ago
She lied about you abusing her, sue her for it. She invited you there, sue her for trying to set you up. You should never again trust someone that falsely accused you. That person feels no empathy for you and the only reason for contacting you again is to be able to lie even more against you. False claims of abuse and rape are punishable by law with prison. Hire a private detective and find evidence of her doing false accusations in the past. The best advice is to have no mercy and make sure she gets the maximum punishment possible, no deals, no nothing.
heartofsalt 8y ago
Honestly bro, this may sound a bit crazy, but... leave the fucking country man. Just go. You say you served in the army, whether thats true or not, the country that you volunteered to go to war for has royally fucked you in the ass. Lets be real, you fucked up by making stupid mistakes and not handling your shit by going back to the girl. That is on you.
If you leave this country, you will get a completely fresh start. COMPLETELY fresh start. 8 years of punishment and thousands of dollars (and likely debt) to show that you are a decent man is just not worth the fucking price. Brazil, East Asia, Eastern Europe are all cheap places to live.
Again, crazy advice, but the more these things happen, the more sane they start to sound.
Oftowerbroleaning 8y ago
I would, but out of all these comments you probably didn't see my comment from earlier. My mom has Alzheimer's and my dad recently had a stroke. They aren't long for this world and they need my help. They have been awesome parents and I can not and will not abandon them. If and when they pass I will leave. I feel so jaded because I'm a patriot and have always loved this country. I think it's the greatest country to ever exist, but it's not what it was. I am heartbroken to say, that for the first time in my life I am disappointed with my country.
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I'm sorry that you have to find out this way, but America has devolved into a piece of shit over the last few years. I'm not complaining about our foreign policy, more about how internally we've become this leftist welfare PC piece of shit.
Obviously we don't compare to sweden and other horror shows of progressivism but this country is no longer worth fighting for.
[deleted] 8y ago
why would you agree to meet her without wearing a tape recorder?
calloberjig 8y ago
OP good luck. This doesn't help but my situation is far, far worse.
Always know that no matter how bad you have it, someone is getting fucked over even harder. Newbies take heed!
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calloberjig 8y ago
If I survive the next 6 months I will distill my shithell into a post.
I can't even look at women atm without feeling violent rage soulless cunts
togas73 8y ago
You had your day in court. You had several days in court. And you decided to plead guilty to a Felony.
I'm an attorney. I would have told you to take the deal, too. You violated a stay-away order. Witnesses to the incident would have testified that she "escaped" from your truck, running and screaming for someone to call the police. Your chances of winning a trial are no better than 50/50, and losing would have meant years in prison. So you take the deal, suck it up, do not violate probation and get your record expunged when probation is over.
netherlanddwarf 8y ago
I am so lucky to never have been in this bad of a situation. Best of luck OP... If it was me I'd do the Jamaica plan.
chrisindub 8y ago
If this actually happened to you, then I feel fucking terrible for you. That really sucks.
But for someone who has served in the military and survived deployments, I would expect you to have been way smarter.
Met up in violation of a restraining order?
Accepted a plea deal from a public defender?
Didn't hire a lawyer?
If you aren't making this up, this is a spectacular comedy of errors.
How did you survive deployment when you seen to have no sense of self preservation?
charlesbukowksi 8y ago
You need to record some conversations with her. Get real evidence. Get a hidden camera. Whatever the fuck it takes.
Wish you luck man. Take solace the world is not out to fuck you, but it is indifferent.
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automatepmp 8y ago
24 years old with no wife or kids and this legal trouble hanging over your head? Find another country to start over again.
ColtsDragoon 8y ago
This. Your country sold you down the river so its high time you pledge yourself to another flag. Russia is looking for some solid trigger men to fuck up the American/Israeli funded&trained ISIS Fighters so try your luck there. Also the French Foreign legion is an option too.
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[deleted] 8y ago
I wish I had something helpful to say. I'm so sorry this happened to you. You did not deserve this. She deserves to burn in hell.
chetmanly2 8y ago
Never, ever, ever accept the plea deal.
Ever. You got a felony conviction without a day in court? Fuck that, always fight felonies.
St_OP_to_u_chin_me 8y ago
Lock and load soldier, lock and load.
swedwards56 8y ago
This is why I keep my distance from women that had multiple ex's in the past. I honestly wish you the best of luck op because no one deserves this type of treatment.
ATrashMan 8y ago
Any updates on the dog's present health?
Riddick_ 8y ago
Good man - Haha wants to know if the dog is allright.
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shellkek 8y ago
OP please give updates on this really curious about your case!
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topapito 8y ago
You see, you really should not be here, in the red pill, telling this story. At least not yet. Look over to your right, see the sidebar? Read it, learn it, breathe it. Swallow that fucking pill if it's the last thing you do.
You fucked up when you told her you would leave. NEVER announce your intentions. Just pick up and leave. YOu double fucked up when you violated the restraining order. NO CONTACT, NO CONTACT, NO CONTACT and in case you missed that, NO FUCKING CONTACT!
Right now, get ready to spend a fortune on attorneys, detectives, and anything else you can think of that will clear your name. Sue her for lying, for having tits, sue her, keep her in court. Find a really vindictive attorney that will do this for you. Time to spend your family's money.
Then learn, learn, learn never to give any woman the power to do this to you again. You can make this all go away, it's going to take time.
Swallow that pill. NOW.
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[deleted] 8y ago
god i fucking hope to god not.
Swigart 8y ago
I don't know if anyone has asked this yet, but is your dog ok?
Butthole_Mysteries 8y ago
If you've posted anything about this on social media, delete it now. Save/print voicemails and texts. If you're ever forced into an encounter with her or anyone she knows, start recording. You shouldn't have been in the car with her once she had you by the short and curlies. But since you were, you should have been recording that too.
Some of this advice is god awful. Don't try to publicly shame her or try to clear your name on social media. She's obviously a calculating woman...any opportunity to be a victim and you're just adding to her case. Head up, accept that this is going to be a costly mistake. Do what your lawyer says to a T.
sweetleef 8y ago
First off, your situation sucks hard, and anyone who's dealt with women can sympathize.
You had your day in court, by by taking a plea deal. But it's hard to believe that an attorney actually lied about having a chance to "change your mind". He would have nothing to gain by screwing you, and would put his career at risk or worse. As for whether there's anything to be done at this point, the only thing you can do is get a good criminal lawyer, tell him everything, and don't say another word to the woman or the police, no matter what.
If this follows the standard pattern, she be back, desperate, like a deranged addict coming off her power high and looking for a drama fix. Expect more stunts and lies, destruction of property, assaulting you and your family, suicide threats, anything possible to keep the attention orgy going. Ask your lawyer about how to deal with it, because it's coming.
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Aren't the countless texts evidence enough that she's crazy and invited you over? What about the hand written notes?
Oftowerbroleaning 8y ago
All ignored. Due to taking plea deal (under bad advisement), I never got a trial.
DONT_reply_with_THIS 8y ago
Pretty stupid decision... Is there a way to change that?
realister 8y ago
Dont stick your dick in crazy. Why would you go back at all if she went as far as leaving notes on windshield? Thats a sure sign of a crazy.
Sorry your fault.
Sir_Doughnut 8y ago
It's generally unwise to put someone, especially an army vet, in a position where they have nothing to lose but their own life.
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Reddthrown 8y ago
No - it can work out sometimes. Here it was just silly.
thisiskindofmessedup 8y ago
Holy shit. These stories make me want to invest in body cameras. smh this shit is despicable.
Blake55 8y ago
Even a dashcam would have prevented this bs.
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choikwa 8y ago
The amount of bullshit that's preventable with recording device is insane
netherlanddwarf 8y ago
But everyone would be watching us (☉_☉)
NPK5667 8y ago
Learn from his mistake boys. Could be worse OP
simplesignman 8y ago
Since everyone has already established you're a dumbass (welcome to the club), you are gonna have some issues to deal with like probation and finding a fucking job to meet probation requirements. One suggestion, go get your flagger cert, takes about 4 hours of bullshit and you can get a job that hires felons and actually pays decent, better if prevailing wage. You're gonna be fucked for a while work wise, its a shitty job but it pays better than a dishwasher or gas jockey.
You might just be getting shit off your chest but you are showing us all how quick it can go bad if we get sloppy.
michael_wilkins 8y ago
Can we get some proof of this OP? This is something that should be sticked as a warning, and if it's going to be used as a warning, there should be something showing that it is true.
Can you show some legal documents blacking out personal info at all?
taterbase 8y ago
There's an interesting documentary on Netflix called Divorce Inc that has a section about how dangerous false abuse accusations can be and how the law will often side with the mom in most situations.
theHangedGod 8y ago
My god, man, good luck. You need a good legal adviser before you do anything. I've heard of legal zoom before, just google that and it will come up. That is hopefully a start, but damn man, you need a lawyer.
moltar 8y ago
If you can, just move to another country and start your life over. Some country that would not look at your previous history. There are plenty of other countries in the world, that are better then US or other "westernized" countries.
maadkekz 8y ago
Fuck this, I can't imagine what you're going through. You're a young guy with your whole life ahead of you.
I'm sorry to hear about everything that's happened to you/you're currently going through. It's completely messed up and this woman sounds like she genuinely has mental problems.
I guess we know why she was single now; the other dudes obviously bailed when they knew for sure she was crazy. Lesson learned for other TRPers perhaps - single mothers: not even once.
Lightspeedius 8y ago
What a nightmare of a justice system you have.
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[deleted] 8y ago
If this is all true, it is truly tragic. You made several serious mistakes in judgment, for which you will pay dearly. The old saw, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I'm not trying to be cruel, but I hope that others you learn from your mistake.
bloodfoxtrue 8y ago
Hang in there OP. If it's true you have evidence that can clear you, then do what you can to make sure you get your day in court. I know nothing about the law but if an appeal isn't possible, can't you counter-sue? Write to your local news editor or local official to generate public attention if you think that helps. Blame your previous attorney if you have to. Raise hell and clear your name.
adave4allreasons 8y ago
Get a private investigator to collect evidence
s7even 8y ago
Which state did this happen in? I can't imagine getting arrested for Felony domestic battery with out any physical evidence and just the word of the victim.
What is the circumstances? Did she have bruising, did they photograph it?
The state i am in (Nevada), a domestic battery is a Misdemeanor and violating a no contact court order is also misdemeanor.
Why would you take a plea deal if you didn't commit the crime?!?
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OwlsExterminator 8y ago
She cheated on you. Then she lied about abuse. Then she lied to you again that she would recant. Seriously were you expecting to get back together with her and forgive her cheating ways? You were stupid enough to go meet her after a restraining order. It was a fucking set up.
Life lesson. NEVER TRUST A WOMAN.
BTW Second life lesson. You get what you pay for. Don't be cheap and lie about your income to get a public defender (aka public pretenders).
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jackrabbitd 8y ago
Its easy. Thank the lord you are not in jail, appeal it if you can. Start a fucking business
aazav 8y ago
Women view us as paychecks and bank accounts.
That's it.
keindo 8y ago
I am sorry for you man, but the level of stupid you exhibited...
From the court's perspective nobody has any idea what is right or wrong, examining evidence takes work, and most people are stupid and lazy. Then you go ahead and make one thing CLEAR which is violating a court order; that colors everything else subsequent to that.
And what exactly did you think made her trustworthy the THIRD time around (second time is when she called the cops; FIRST time is when she became a single mom)?
Just get a real lawyer, listen to real advice, don't do anything stupid like exact revenge (because assault will definitely get you in more trouble, "cool stories about ancient China" aside), make the best of your situation.
And grow a couple more fucking neurons, ok?
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Bro, I know you are all up in shambles at the moment but reading this post I can't help but think this is one of two things.
This bitch has been crazy, as in you should have known to next her a long time back.
Either way, as a man its on you. You say you are a vet and thats good. You say you come from a rich family and thats 100x better.
You can get your record cleaned up, get this knocked down to a misdemeanor like a disorderly or something, BUT NOT IF YOU FUCK UP! That means zero contact with the girl. None. Nothing. No exceptions. I don't care if you left your favorite moped in her garage, thats shits gone.
EDIT: I reread what I typed and it sounds too harsh. You will be ok OP but its all lawyers, money, and time now. Zero fucking contact.
Rougepellet 8y ago
Is it just me or are more women sociopaths or psychopathsthan men? Maybe not physically violent but still.
TheSliceman 8y ago
And that was the day OP became an anarchist and an atheist.
He realized there is no God. No karmic order in the universe. No Jesus coming to save him. The only thing he has is what he takes for himself.
He also was hit with ton of brick realization that the state does not care about him. In fact, the state hates him. Its justice theater is nothing short of a kangaroo court meant to appease the stupid masses into a false sense of security. He realized the institution of the state is evil in its most tangible form.
Today is the day you start as a new man. You have been given the ultimate gift: knowledge.
And just FYI, having a felony only infringes a future career as a cog in the machine. You didnt want that anyway. A felony does not and will not stop you from self-actualization financially or otherwise.
I have been down on my luck too, brother. You will emerge from this stronger. Embrace the pain. Embrace the suffering. Become one with it.
anon1880 8y ago
I'm not atheist nor anarchist but i liked this post...strong stuff
PS on second thought i think i hate state intervention as well
juliusstreicher 8y ago
And that was the day OP became an anarchist and an atheist.
He realized there is no God. No karmic order in the universe. No Jesus coming to save him. The only thing he has is what he takes for himself.
I dunno...I think that Jesus gave him brains enough to know that he wasn't going to get a fair shake; he just didn't use them. His self-love, and extremely high regard for himself and the sway that he, no doubt, held over this woman, overcame his intelligence.
GSstreetfighter 8y ago
For those who didn't learn in middle school that life's not fair, another boot in the ass may come later in life. Now you'll remember.
johnnight 8y ago
There is no entity called a state that has emotions.
It's only a bunch of paper pushers, who want to clear their case load so they can go home sooner. It's an unfeeling meat grinder.
It's the banality of evil.
tyrryt 8y ago
Not sure how a single woman being a nasty cunt leads to a conclusion that there is no beginning to the chain of universal causation.
Perhaps a bit of an exaggeration of her importance.
Kalidane 8y ago
The woman is not Athena.
She inadvertently led to the epiphany. She won't be receiving a civic merit award from the mayor for doing so.
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Dude... holy shit... come to Europe and forget about that shit. I cant believe that the US would betray a veteran like that... Is your dog ok?
Philhelm 8y ago
The U.S. is notorious for betraying veterans.
_DouglasQuaid_ 8y ago
Can you pick up and GTFO of the area? Thats what I'd do; cut all contact with friends and family. Let no one know where you're going and start fresh.
[deleted] 8y ago
Why the fuck did you trust her to be civil? She had already proven that she'd lie to get you into trouble. You'll get no sympathy from me.
Cr3X1eUZ 8y ago
If there were more quality pussy available he wouldn't have gone back to her, or even have been with her in the first place probably.
That's the real problem.
tallwheel 8y ago
Fuck no. Abundance mentality and DGAF. Never settle for pussy of this shitty quality. Sometimes getting no pussy at all is preferable to chasing dangerous pussy.
no_face 8y ago
Yes its a Keynesian economic model flaw
worldnewsrager 8y ago
I don't understand the relation here.
foldpak111 8y ago
Shit I knew women were untrustworthy animalistic creatures by the time I was in middle school.
ddelicia 8y ago
Yeah this right here is where i draw the line on stupidity.
rp-oldgame 8y ago
Word. Maybe this is a lesson you needed to learn.
Sdom1 8y ago
This wasn't a lesson, this was a death blow. There's no learning from it, the damage is done.
That would be like me beating your brains in and saying I taught you a lesson. No, I beat your brains in.
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He should've seen it coming.
Sdom1 8y ago
Most people wouldn't. Sometimes people get really unlucky with a fuckup early in life and get ruined by it. Other people, and maybe both of us included, didn't get burned that badly, but that can be more about luck and no superiority on our part.
sequentialanomaly 8y ago
Life always goes on. Starting today, everything can turn around. Every moment spent moping or feeling sorry about the situation is a waste. Accept. Learn. Improve.
Sdom1 8y ago
I know, I just think saying "Ha! Learned your lesson moron!" isn't really a proportionate response. He got fucked really hard in relation to his fuckup. At this point we should help him understand where he went wrong and how to proceed.
zpatriarchy 8y ago
true, but this retard was on the red pill before this happened, we all told him awalt. he made his bed, he can go to mensrights for hugs.
Sdom1 8y ago
Wait, what? Get the fuck outta here! Is this even for real, or is it trolling?
zpatriarchy 8y ago
i looked at his post history, he's been on the red pill, you know, the sub that says "don't sleep with single moms" & posts nearly daily stories of crazy girls but he chose to ignore us & did this to himself.
nobody is trolling. AWALT.
Oftowerbroleaning 8y ago
I don't seek sympathy. I just had to tell someone. I hate myself for being so fucking stupid
ATrashMan 8y ago
I really do feel sorry for you man but at the end of the day, you need to go into your bathroom, turn the light on, and stare into the mirror. Look at yourself deeply and then I want you to ask yourself this question: "Was I a smart man?" No, No you were not :\
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juliusstreicher 8y ago
I think that you're being a tad over-optimistic.
[deleted] 8y ago
Good, now take that hate and turn it into something productive. Like appealing to a higher court.
hirjd 8y ago
Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you!
like_a_ghost 8y ago
Or you could use the hate to shoot lightning out your fingertips
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Oftowerbroleaning 8y ago
Meeting with attorney tomorrow to discuss
[deleted] 8y ago
Good. Good luck. In the meantime, don't go over to her house if she promises you some pussy and hotwings, huh?
darkrood 8y ago
if he goes over to her house, then we know that he is trolling Red Pill.
rebuildingMyself 8y ago
But who could resist hotwings?
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philovivero 8y ago
Hotwings? Aw shit. I'm so there.
illyafromuncle 8y ago
Nobody! especially if there is Blue Cheese involved!
Enjoyitbeforeitsover 8y ago
It's either blue cheese with wings or go fuck your mother!
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MRSubM 8y ago
Just move to asia bro, forget this shit and move on. Or south america. Go where the girls are young and the beer is cheap. Forget it all.
theuglypill 8y ago
You can't. You already accepted the plea deal on a felony charge, retard.
"WAAAAH STUPID FUCKING WHOOORESESSSSSS HELP ME THEREDPILL WOMEN ARE BITCHES AM I RIGHT"
It's your stupid ass fault for violating a restraining order in the first place. You have a felony on your record now. Your life prospects have been dashed.
Congrats.
Here's how it's going to play out. You will be held to the terms of the plea deal and have a felony on your record for life. You waived your right to appeal when you accepted the plea, because you admitted guilt. I don't even like posting here, I just wanted to criticise you for being a dumbass who accepts everything and questions nothing. Never violate a court order.
MRSubM 8y ago
Just move to asia bro, forget this shit and move on. Or south america. Go where the girls are young and the beer is cheap. Forget it all.
illyafromuncle 8y ago
That is easier said than done, most places require FBI clearance or the local version of it(or both) to move there, if you set off a PING for a felony you are pretty much done.
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Tough to get a passport now, though.
Men have zero protection from this kind of insanity.
ztsmart 8y ago
how is it tough to get a passport now?
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On probation and convicted felon.
Basically impossible.
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Sherlock--Holmes 8y ago
He's a felon with 8 years probation.
Azzmo 8y ago
God damn we live in a weird system, where a guy can wrong no person and be declared a felon regardless of that.
LugerDog 8y ago
Welcome to America. It almost happened to me and I'm still building evidence just in case. Hell I've still got 9 days left to walk on egg shells so she doesn't file the paperwork for "aggravated stalking" when i didn't do shit. Fucking huge mistake letting her find out about apps that can spoof your number to make it look like you callef over and over plus the fake texts. It fucking sucks and guess what? Single mother....... I've already went to jail for " domestic violence" and had to sweet talk her into dropping the order. It really sucks cause the only sure fire way to stop her is give her the good dick she loves so much. This presents another issue that i have to build eveidence for and get witnesses. Save text and record calls of her begging for it, asking to come over, showing up at my place, and so on. I can't FUCKING wait till I can run without blackmail. I will be ending all contact at a sheriffs office after the 9 days are up. To show her flip her shit and start in. Already have texts saying well I'll tell then this or that. Then the ones saying I'm sorry for the fake threats.... It's a nightmare.
One_friendship_plz 8y ago
Maybe women like this contribute to ACTUAL abuse in relationships.
Anyone without godly tolerance would've killed her or similar.
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netherlanddwarf 8y ago
It all started with, "hello".
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iamgodshand 8y ago
Get a camera or other recording device on you next time you meet her.
mrprm 8y ago
Why would he meet with her again? That is terrible advice.
iamgodshand 8y ago
I didn't say he should. But if he does, and it's possible he may, he should record it.
Puffy-Vagina 8y ago
Collecting information in 2015 is far too easy, and we all need to use simple tools available to us. Email/text paper trails are simple and valuable, calls can also be recorded without the other party's knowledge in most states (check yours), and just as the police are learning it is wise to use discreet cameras ESPECIALLY in circumstances such as yours. I personally use, and recommend, the Mobius Action Cam. Its like a GoPro, and similar quality, but unlike a GoPro is less expensive, matte black and very discrete, and it can record indefinitely in a loop (overwriting the oldest 5 mins of video at a time) to work as a dash camera as well with automatic-on when you turn the car on and it gets USB power to recording for a set period on internal battery power. They are so tiny, you can easily and discretely have it recording anywhere in your room as well, and of course don't forget that most cell phones have excellent cameras and microphones as well.
Personally, I have two Mobius dashcams in each of my cars, one front and one rear both very discretely mounted that are always automatically recording, and at home I have a full on 13-camera security system.
At the very least, it can prevent a huge waste of time and resources in he-said, she-said, and best case it can downright save your life.
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Puffy-Vagina 8y ago
I specifically used several Foscam FI8910W, mounted indoors near elevated windows that are throughout my house, since they rotate via remote control and then can be used to see both inside and outiside, at fifty bucks each. I'm an IT guy though, so I just had to plug them into the wall, and configure each for my wireless network, each on a different port recording to my always-on home server. I like that it has two way audio, night vision, and sends me emails with pictures when triggered by a motion sensor, and each is connected to a Etekcity outet wireless switch, so I can power em all off or power-cycle with a remote control if desired. For a non-IT guy, might want to go with one of those fixed all-in-one DVR wired systems they have at home improvement stores and Costco, which are often around three hundred and reduces the technical setup challenges.
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IronMeltsinmyHands 8y ago
That bitch was waiting for her chance to fuck you over. Try to break up with a single mother? She's gonna make you suffer. I mean, why do you think she's a single mother? Mentally, there's something wrong with these women.
And as much as people will try to shame you into rejecting this fact that hard experience teaches, don't. Manhood is learning about the world, and staying true to your beliefs.
CornyHoosier 8y ago
Did you?
Bro. I have no advice for you. You need to start using some logic.
TaeTaeDS 8y ago
I feel for you. But what the fuck did you expect. Legal action was being taken against you, and you met up with this psycho? This is your fault. I feel for you, but it's not all on her, you put her in the situation to ruin your life when you kept contact.
At the end of the day you should have hired a first class solicitor to do this for you and you would be 100% fine, no felony, charges dropped. This is what happens when you don't red pill the law. If you don't get the best representation you're in for a blue pill time.
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Over before it began, let this be a lesson to the rest of you, never willingly deal with the state, it's not your friend.
It's schools, they teach you to be subservient to your authority figures, don't forget everything you've ever learned in the system was to become a slave for it.
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Oh_FuFu 8y ago
After all this shit is done with and you're cut off the loose, get these charges expunged off your record. It's free from the court and I've heard some people pay like $40 bucks to get charges removed within 90 days.
Your life isn't ruined, I I had it almost just as bad as you at the age of 18.
If yesterday was the worst day of your life, just know tomorrow has to be better!
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At the genetic level men are programmed to defer to women. That is, we accept them without verification or competition. This predisposition is also enforced socially.
We want to believe a woman when she says things and many men come to find out that their word isn't worth a thing.
I'm sorry this happened to you. All men have a natural naivety about women which is instinctual.
Now you have to dig yourself out. Start by telling as many people as you can. See if you can get the local news on your side. Show them the evidence you have and which your lawyer failed to use in your defense. Call the newspaper and tell someone there. Public pressure can work in your favor.
That said, once you plead guilty to something you've got an uphill battle even worse than before. I don't envy your situation.
That said, I wonder if you can sue her in civil court? If you have this evidence that she lied and tried her best to get you to violate a court order then you may have a civil action against her. It may not vacate your conviction but you might recover some of your financial losses.
Good luck.
f0k4ppl3 8y ago
And being nurtured by an authoritative female figure during the first few years reinforces that natural inclination. We are indoctrinated at the prime moment.
Syberion01 8y ago
Yea... I had a similar situation with an ex of mine... 2 weeks after moving in together in a town 5 hours away from where we usually live, my then-girlfriend decided that I was not being supportive enough when I refused to pay FOR EVERYTHING, and that she would be better off with this sleazy coke head that was giving her coke and doing anything she wanted. I basically came home to our apartment with them sitting there on my furniture telling me to get out.... I kindly told them to get fucked.... They left, 10 minutes later I started getting text messages with "oh why did you beat me".... Bs
I called the cops exactly 1.5 minutes before she did..
I put on my finest polo shirt and met the police with the story, the phone conversations.. Luckily they understood that her story was bullshit and they just told me to leave..
122mm howitzer round dodged
wanderer1976 8y ago
I don't have time to wade through 600 and some odd comments, so here is my two cents.
1. As others have said, once she placed the restraining order, she should have been dead to you. Blocking her calls and texts and possibly filing a stalking charge with the police using personal letters left on your vehicle is the route you should have taken, but that is water under the bridge at this point, take the lesson learned.
2 Since you didn't do the above before, do it now.
3 You will get your day in court. Make sure your attorney has all of the evidence and that it is is submitted to the court in your counter claim. Make very sure that any veterinary bill from her throwing your dog from the moving vehicle are included in the evidence. Make sure you a bring a copy of all of the evidence with you. Judges see this sort of shit every day, and it isn't decided in some bull shit family court. They will take into consideration all of the mitigating circumstances and evidence. This case seems like a misdemeanor with a suspended sentence. Your current attorney should be aiding and advising you on these matters.
Its_All_Been_Done 8y ago
This is how bad men are made
thekidbass 8y ago
If she contacted you, you should have just taken that evidence to court. That's a huge piece of evidence.
abetterarsonist 8y ago
It's time to embrace the dark side, homie. If you can't beat this in court you should know that prison deals are always shorter and less of a hassle than probation deals, and people in the system have a tendency to fuck off their probation and end up in prison anyway.
If you do go to prison, make friends with people in the weed game and take advantage of the evolving legal weed situation. You're a criminal now, accept that you've been wrong about criminals your whole life. But don't necessarily trust them either, lol. Also, mind your own business...sticking your nose in other people's business and racking up debts are really the only thing people get beat up for. Well, there's other shit but that's the best rule of thumb for newbies.
midoriringo 8y ago
Did she tell you through text or email or something that "if I met her she would tell the cops the truth that she made it up"? I'm curious as to why you didn't present this as evidence? Maybe you still can. If you somewhere have evidence of her admitting she made it up, you may have a shot at dismantling this bullshit and removing that felony from your life.
jamesbond0512 8y ago
I'm sorry but you should have stayed away. Now it's time to play the game unfortunately. And if you are getting all of the above, I'll happily beat that bitch up for you for a fee. Lol no joke pm me
cates 8y ago
I dated someone like this recently. I'm really sorry about your situation but stories like this remind me how lucky I am.
Like everyone else has said- sever all ties and be glad you didn't have any kids with her.
idahar 8y ago
What the fuck were you thinking? Literally for 2 weeks there was a pinned post saying Single Mothers are the scum of the earth. And after she went full psycho, you reinitiated contact without a 3rd party willing to testify. This was on you from beginning. Good luck and I hope you get out of this shit situation, but what a stupid thing to do.
FLFTW16 8y ago
Your life in Slave Colony North-America is effectively over. Your chances of starting a successful slave rebellion are close to nil. Your best option is to pull a runner and escape the colony. China is nice. Thailand is nice. Cambodia is nice. South America is nice. There are many places a hard working slave can go where he can earn money as a free man, have free associations, and enjoy life by leaving slavery behind him forever.
progggrammerr99 8y ago
Hop the border into Mexico? I remember seeing a post a few week ago where some lsd dealer got out on bail and was considering hopping into Mexico
mafiaking1936 8y ago
They speak English in Belize...
hirjd 8y ago
Would he need a fake identity to travel there though? He's a Felon.
johnnight 8y ago
Guys, this is the 21st century. There are databases and machine readable biometric passports and finger scanners.
The only way to get into another at least half-civilized country right now is to march into Europe and pretend to be Syrian.
Also, he got away cheaply. 8 years probation. As long as he can still get some semi-decent job, he will be better in the USA.
FLFTW16 8y ago
Human trafficking is a thing. What century it is has no bearing on how fluid borders are.
There are tons of felons, ex-spies, boiler room operators, scammers, assassins, hackers, arms smugglers, and run of the mill murderers on the run from the law that hide out in SE Asia. Every once in a while someone gets caught but it's almost always because they were committing major crimes in their adopted home--not for what they did in the place they left behind. Even then they sometimes get away with their nefarious activities for years or decades before they are hauled off.
Police are easily bribed, here. This isn't the West, more like the Wild Wild East. In some places a contract killer can be bought for less than $200 US (SO I'VE BEEN TOLD). And... the assassin may be a local police lieutenant. Life is cheap and local bigwigs are more concerned with making money and keeping the competition from knocking them off their pedestal than some foreigner who spent time in jail once. And, how would they even know?
Reasons a person may be disqualified. I don't see domestic abuse on the list.
This is a matter of perspective. As I said, the US is a slave plantation. He's getting milked and abused by his Masters. He can take his slave ass and make a run for it if he wants to.
philovivero 8y ago
I call bullshit. They will send you back home. You need to apply for visas etc. This isn't just something you can do.
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philovivero 8y ago
I spent about 10 minutes on the first. That's a how-to for women to... "disappear" in the US, but only from boyfriends, not from government agencies. Hardly a way to get to China, which last I checked still wasn't USA.
The other one, well, I gotta pay to evaluate it, but the summary makes it pretty clear your job is to assume the life of a dead person.
How will this dead person, who I'll assume is from the USA, going to get a visa for China? Oh, right. He won't.
I'm gonna go ahead and continue calling bullshit.
zpatriarchy 8y ago
i looked at your post history, you were aware of the redpill before today & you still chose to date a single mother & then you chose to go see her against a restraining order.
i honestly have no sympathy for any man who is red pill aware & chooses to ignore our warnings.
ChadThundercockII 8y ago
OP is either dumber that my left nut or is trolling us. How the fuck can you ignore a court's order be in the same place as she is ? You better be trolling us, OP.
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[deleted] 8y ago
Okay someone please correct me if I'm wrong BUT I could have sworn I saw this posted on 2X last night. I remember I actually had to stop myself from asking why he posted it there.
Oftowerbroleaning 8y ago
Haven't it posted anywhere else. Maybe someone cross posted it?
[deleted] 8y ago
Idk I MUST have been tired when I read it.
Polaris382 8y ago
Damn, sorry bro. I dont reall have anything useful to add, but good luck.
Zachar1a 8y ago
Why do I have the feeling that this is trolling fiction? No one can be that stupid.
_Madison_ 8y ago
Violating the court order was a retarded move. The only thing to do in that situation would be to take the letters left on your truck and any other messages to your lawyer.
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 8y ago
Dumbass! You should have collected the letters and notes, recorded calls, screencapped emails, and TAKEN THAT BEFORE THE JUDGE!
I dealt with crazy before, and she tried to drag me through the legal system. By remaining calm, civil, professional, and maintaining an unchanging story supported by evidence, it ended with HER being led out of the courtroom in handcuffs.
You should not have taken the plea deal. Bring your evidence to court and challenge this type of thing. The legal system is self-perpetuating and NOT interested in justice, just getting people in the system and having 1,001 ways to KEEP them there.
SunshineBlotters 8y ago
Not really related but...
I'm so glad I read this. I dont save as much as I need to. I figure it would be best to knock out my obscene student loans.
But this post has taught me the importance of saving money. How much did this whole ordeal set you back?
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 8y ago
It cost me time; I didn't need to hire a lawyer, and one of my lawyer clients told me, "You're 20X smarter than you need to be to file a restraining order."
Not sure what state OP is in, but he should have contested the restraining order and filed a counterorder. THEN consider filing a civil suit over the false allegations.
nantucketghost 8y ago
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IVIaskerade 8y ago
Welcome to the dark side, mate.
Ozzyo520 8y ago
GET AN ATTORNEY. I REPEAT AND CANNOT EMPHASIZE THIS ENOUGH - GET A FUCKING ATTORNEY. NOT TOMORROW, RIGHT NOW.
To be completely honest man, you've already been 10 kinds of stupid. The absolute worst thing you can do (besides seeing her again) is not get an attorney. Go to your state bars website and find one. Google them, read reviews. It you don't have money, figure it out. You're going to be fucked if you don't let an attorney handle this.
IF YOU'RE STILL READING YOU DIDN'T GET AN ATTORNEY IMMEDIATELY. STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND GET ONE RIGHT NOW. This is real life, you will get triple butt fucked if you don't.
Wake up!
PissedPajamas 8y ago
Don't ever let your guard down around women, especially single mothers. Record everything
skillestilla 8y ago
Sorry OP, this may be true but it sounds fake af.
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sweepminja 8y ago
Wow I'm lucky I have a wife raised by a man that was repeatedly screwed over by women. She's a redpiller and will sit over my shoulder sometimes reading this nodding her head.
scairdycat 8y ago
I feel sorry for you. I really do. However, the Cherokee tale about the boy and the rattlesnake immediately comes to mind.
http://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/TheLittleBoyAndTheRattlesnake-Cherokee.html
You knew she was a single mom when you picked her up, and a crazy single mom the second time you picked her up.
ellen_pao 8y ago
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dude wtf were you thinking ??
Why would you want to be responsible for another man's sproog ?. That's a complete U-TURN for me. Baby daddy drama ???
I recommend you listen to Tom Leykis ...http://www.blowmeuptom.com
Also read the Leykis 101 rules !
I am going to be crude and say I do not feel sorry for you bro.
It's a tough world out there, and we are responsible for our successes and failures.
Hope you learn the lesson that life is trying to teach you here, because if you dont, life will try again ... until you get it.
[deleted] 8y ago
This is why you hear stories of people killing their SO's and then themselves
Aerobus 8y ago
I'm sorry.
Let this be a lesson to all men reading.
Don't involve yourself with single mothers.
Don't trust women.
As /u/bsutansalt has said about a thousand times, record everything. And I guess, since we're males, pray that the court will not dismiss your recordings as evidence.
netherlanddwarf 8y ago
Do we have anything to look forward to?
exaltsucks 8y ago
im surprised anyone even thought to bother with single mothers in the first place. Even when i was far more beta than now, I would reject a girl if and when I found out they had a child. Seems like common sense unless youre a thirsty ass dude
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_eskimo_brothers_ 8y ago
I don't usually upvote so hard, but I just upvoted you so hard.
There are a small handful of hot (still early 20's) single moms I could go after, but I've told my good friend I trust with RP insight, I don't see them as worth the risk. They just aren't.
netherlanddwarf 8y ago
This thread saved me from already thinking about stupid shit.
Purecorrupt 8y ago
IMO you shouldn't trust anyone unless you know they have no gain in what they are offering.
Full circle...
"Don't trust the White man!".
"Don't trust Men!".
"Don't trust Women!"
"Don't trust anyone."
Take any an all advice with the knowledge that the paradigm the advice is coming from has different sexual/economical/social background and perspective from you.
To be more specific in this case. A single mother has a child(ren) that she almost always undoubtedly says that child(ren) is her #1(2,3,...). As a single man with no kids you are going into a situation where the #1(2,3,...) Spots are taken.
Example when she says "I love you" does she mean I love you and would do anything for you?
Or...
"I love you, but not as much as myself, my baby, my dad, my mom, my cat, and I guess you can be #6".
Kalidane 8y ago
She means "I love how you are making me feel at this moment"
Has a half-life of around 90 minutes
Purecorrupt 8y ago
I had to add the cat because in my super beta days I had a girl tell me she would probably love her cat more than she could love anyone else. She was childless. If anyone else does a lot of online dating there is more anecdotal evidence of girls that will pre-emptively put in their profile they WILL love their pets more than you.
Interversity 8y ago
Holy shit. I don't think there are many stronger red flags.
CoyoteCS 8y ago
Idk man, I love my dogs more than I could ever love a women.
netherlanddwarf 8y ago
This is a goddamn fucking beer commercial!
trpftw 8y ago
I've heard the same with "I love my dog more than you."
But in a way, I'm not really condemning them for this.
I certainly would love a 10 year dog I have more than the new girl I fuck. I certainly love my brother or father or mother or even my uncle, more than any new lover.
I certainly love myself more than any new lover.
Important: So I don't think it's that big of a red flag as you make it seem.
Purecorrupt 8y ago
My particular experience was not "new"?
It's more of the audacity of them explicitly stating such fact. And stating it in a way that "You shalt never be better than X."
I wish I could think of a good analogy right now.
I agree I don't think it's as big of a red flag because all people would love their dog more than a stranger. But to state to all potential suitors that they "love their pets" more than they will probably love you is starting off with a shit-test before you even meet them.
trpftw 8y ago
Yeah absolutely. I agree. I found it bizarre when I heard it several times too.
I thought it was more like something they did when they are hugging their dog and trying to remember how much they love their dog and trying to falsely convince themselves because they love me too.
But I could be wrong.
youeatlikeachild 8y ago
This. I discussed this in another thread and a bunch of guys were telling me it was a felony in certain states and can't use in court and and blah blah blah when we were talking about being falsely accused of fucking RAPE!!!
Men please, for christ, your phones probably all have one touch record, just get in the habit of doing it when you are alone with a chick, or when you stumble on a crazy one who calls you constantly. There are apps that will record all your calls.
Who gives a fuck if it is illegal or can't be used? Send it to the news, the NY Times, everywhere, save yourself. I have no idea if OP is legit but his story is not uncommon, it absolutely can be YOU.
Overkillengine 8y ago
I'd like to add onto this:
The risk of an unauthorized recording charge is more than worth being able to shred any plausible deniability the court can hide behind in order to grant a pussypass. They do it too openly and they risk consequences they'd prefer to avoid.
People don't seem to get that as they have been so indoctrinated to comply with force of law even when it is distinctly not to their advantage.
Bullies count on their targets meekly backing down. Be pragmatic and cautious when needed, but when backed into a corner, don't be afraid to go Pyrrhic. At that point, they have more to lose from it than you do.
rpscrote 8y ago
voyeurism (pornographic video) is a felony in some states. Just because you don't understand how it works, and refuse to understand how it works, doesn't mean its not beneficial to know how it works.
audio recording is different, which you would have learned if you had read the fucking thread instead of herp derping here like a retard.
One party consent for audio = most states. Spend literally 5 minutes on google to see if your state is one. If it isn't, get different kinds of evidence too. Not that fucking hard dude. You can still get the audio just dont flaunt it around like a retard and use it only as exonerating evidence and you're good.
Or you could just do whatever and end up like this guy because you've got real smart ideas on extra-legal things to do when you're being prosecuted for a crime.
Because that ends well.
youeatlikeachild 8y ago
Sounds great, I'll take your advice over that of my lawyer who has 20 years experience.
Do you realize a felony could land you community service or years in jail? A felony is not a big deal, it's up to the court to decide if it is a big deal and guess what? if you are being accused of rape, and committed a felony proving your innocent, good luck to the state trying to fuck with you, because the people will riot.
Also many states have some version of accelerated rehabilitation. If it is your first offense and depending on the felony and the reason for the felony, it can be wiped off your record completely even if you are found guilty.
This is where it helps to have a good lawyer and not listen to clowns on the internet.
You would actually advise a guy not to record consensual fucking that might later save his life....because "that's illegal bro!!!!!!"
The only time you would pull that evidence out is when the world is ending for you. It's the life preserver.
If you don't want to have that ace up your sleeve fine, I don't want to have to use my gun either, but I keep it on me just in case some fucking beta psycho decides to shoot up the mall and is standing between me and the exit.
rpscrote 8y ago
So much strawman. This post is a waste of time and immensely ignorant. Go read and try and comprehend what you're reading before you come in, ignorance swinging
galt88 8y ago
If you live in a one party consent state, I recommend the Sanity app. It's like $4. Protect yourselves.
worldnewsrager 8y ago
No, he's saying even if you live in a dual-consent state, fuck it. Record it and publish/distribute it anyway. What the dude is saying is he'd rather get hit with an additional charge of 'wiretapping' or w/e they throw at him, so long as people know the woman lied, which could heavily pressure the state to drop the case (even if it technically isn't admissible in court). He'd rather have a wiretapping charge added just to weaken the rape allegation.
Linda Tripp's secretly recorded tapes of Monica Lewinsky is what destroyed Lewinsky's credibility and had her facing a perjury charge along with Paula Jones. Clinton would have very likely been impeached and then convicted of some form of sexual assault had those tapes not been leaked and severely damaged the credibility of the women and the resolve of the people trying to prosecute the case.
Like in top comment? What is the penalty for being late/What is the penalty for treason? Lucky for us the penalty for wiretapping is far less severe than rape.
Aerobus 8y ago
Or, ideally, get a wiretapping charge instead of a false rape charge.
The first makes people think you're a weird guy obsessed with privacy/or that you intrude on people's privacy. Big deal.
The latter makes people think you are a threat to society.
Case in point: feminists are up in arms about rape culture, not about the NSA wiretapping.
worldnewsrager 8y ago
ideally yes, but we're talking about dual-consent states in particular. In those states, if you divulge that information, it's likely to result in the addition of a wiretapping charge, but the other charges are likely to remain. At which point, it's up to the bullheadedness of the Prosecutor.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
Yep. I'm trying to remember the last time anybody went to prison for wiretapping.
rpscrote 8y ago
or more ideally, get no charge whatsoever, because you spent 5 minutes googling your law and then got appropriate kinds of evidence because you think ahead of time.
I have no idea why people here keep encouraging blatant ignorance on this topic when its extraordinarily easy to find the law that applies to you and figure out a legal plan of action.
its really pretty simple. 1 party state = record, use as evidence, spread on facebook, publish and use publishing as soft blackmail. All good. 2 party state = record, only use as exonerating evidence in criminal trial, accept small risk prosecutor might go after you for wiretapping instead of rape, don't publish like a retard and call attention to yourself. Still good. You could even avoid the small risk and instead get emails, texts, photos in public places... you could be even smarter and get all of the above.
side note: id get texts/emails of her bashing her boss/work and use it as blackmail. Send it to her employer. Obviously never say in writing or where others can hear it so you have plausible deniability and he-said-she-said defense.
All it requires is that you spend 5 minutes googling your law. But no, lets listen to all the posters here who say FUCK IT HERP DERP JUST DO WHATEVER AND HOPE IT HOLDS UP WHEN YOURE IN FRONT OF A JUDGE.
Yeah, no.
trpftw 8y ago
The crime of wiretapping is silly in the first place and is really designed for perverts using it to spy on people and politicians/governments trying to use it against their opponents.
Literally, one of the cases that made wiretapping such a big deal in the supreme court was that a criminal was caught on the phone talking about his crimes...
So it was like... his lawyer decided that he can't get the charges thrown out because IT WAS THE TRUTH... So he went to the supreme court and got the evidence thrown out for violating his privacy.
Basically privacy is a concept invented by criminals to protect themselves from THE TRUTH.
The Nixon administration was charged with many wiretappings because they had bugged their own offices and had recordings of their own crimes. They were charged for basically trying to protect themselves and because they confessed to their own crimes essentially on tape. The main charge was that they were spying on themselves (or any others who visit the white house) while claiming it was for national security.
Even a lawyer is going to struggle to explain how convoluted these cases are.
But suffice it to say, that wiretapping is about preventing the truth from getting out.
Anti-government people will use wiretapping charges to protect their criminal activities. Governments themselves will use wiretapping charges to arrest people recording their actions or criminal activities. It's a legal concept designed to persecute.
Why does reddit love privacy so much? Because so many of them are committing crimes on the internet that they are worried one day the cops will start recording all their dumbass reddit comments or will arrest them for buying something illegal online or for piracy.
You will even hear them complain that they are worried their "future political career could get ruined if they are 'recording the internet' " That's how absurd their worries are.
youeatlikeachild 8y ago
This is 100% true, laws like this are made to protect the guilty not the innocent.
People in power know they would be fucked if some asshole could just get away with taping all the horrible and illegal shit they say and do behind the scenes.
How insane is it that you can't submit evidence of your complete innocence? What kind of justice system is that?
That's why it is the "Just us" system, there is no Justice to be had. Record everything, video, audio, save all emails and texts, keep it when you get new phones or computers, never give up the data that can save your life.
trpftw 8y ago
Absolutely, I have tons of recordings and everything. Even at the slightest hint of anger I start taking recordings.
rpscrote 8y ago
lots of states are one party consent for audio. It's not much of a burden to find out if your state is or not. If you're not an idiot and can prepare in advance you can gather many different forms of evidence.
People here aren't fucking monica lewinsky dude. Nobody gives a shit about you or your problems. It wont make the news. It probably wont get more than 2 likes on fucking facebook.
even if it is 2 party, you still get the recording and then you dont do the dumbass thing of publishing, and you use it as exonerating evidence in a criminal trial instead. Result = low chance of prosecution for wiretapping charge, increased defense against false rape.
The only losing move it to publish it.
worldnewsrager 8y ago
was this supposed to be English?
rpscrote 8y ago
insightful reply. I like the part where you addressed the topic in any way.
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wtf_is_taken 8y ago
What the fuck. A post like this for me is not awal this is just crazy people are crazy.
Good luck OP. You are going to make it.
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
OP: best of luck with this.
Hopefully this is enough to exonerate you.
Everyone else:
Once she starts with any sort of violence / threats / blackmail / false accusations - she gets cut out of your life and you never ever spend a moment in her company again, especially in private. These things never get better, they always escalate. Anything that looks like apology / confession / reconciliation is just another trick to play on you.
Seriously... that shit starts and you get out and you stay out. Supervised recorded visits only, for your own good. The world (police, courts) will believe a crazy deranged woman over a decent honest guy if she says anything that fits the narrative of "women are perfect and men are abusers".
Do not violate any protective / restraining orders, obviously. This is just playing into her hands and giving her complete power to report you.
Also... don't break up with a girl in private... expect the backlash and most of all do not be in private with her afterwards where she can make up a rape / abuse story. "I wasn't there and I can prove it" is the best defence.
Again - good luck, OP.
turboRock 8y ago
I saw a quote from BojackHorseman the other day, it was quite good. I can't remember it exactly so I'll paraphrase. "If you wear rose-tinted glasses, red-flags just look like flags"
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Elodrian 8y ago
What's the benefit to breaking up with a girl? You can accomplish the same effect by blocking her phone number and social media accounts. Then wait a couple weeks and she'll figure out what's up.
SgtTRP 8y ago
Generally speaking; none.
But if it's not some random girl you picked up at a bar, chances are you have mutual friends. You can't just block her out like that without suffering social repercussions. If a friend of mine dumped a girl I've introduced like that, I would be pissed off. (Then again, I wouldn't introduce a crazy bitch to a friend without warning.)
no_face 8y ago
Also wait 3 days since your last intimate session before you break up so she wont be able to use discarded bodily fluids as evidence of rape
juliusstreicher 8y ago
This here's some mighty fine advice.
babybopp 8y ago
and when she starts to go batshit crazy, record her. remember Carlos Cortez a dallas judge who recorded his girlfriend throwing herself out of a moving car so that she could say he pushed her out. https://youtu.be/op4scME3Ym4 forward to 6:40 sec to see that shit
wiseprogressivethink 8y ago
and he lost his reelection bid
Yeanucca 8y ago
Can Mike Cernovich post his perspective/offer advice?
[deleted] 8y ago
It's shit like this that makes MGTOW. I have only recently stopped giving two shits about my SMV and I feel like I have never been so free.
It's made everything easier. Going to the gym, eating healthy, looking for better opportunities with work. I'm not doing it to improve my SMV, I'm doing it for me.
There's no pressure on my part to do it. Just do my damn best and expect only what I deserve in return.
The dating game can go fuck itself. If a women wants my cock so be it, but I'm not going to put any effort into getting her pussy. It's just not worth it.
PheromoneVoid 8y ago
Phew. Take that as your reminder that single-mothers aren't worthy of any self-respecting man's time.
[deleted] 8y ago
CisWhite said it right. They are fucking scum. Beat your dick if you can't find another bitch. Don't give these shit humans that are destroying America good dick.
sweepminja 8y ago
Unfortunately they reproduce like rats.
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RedPillLawyer 8y ago
You're fucked 'arry.
Seriously - what the fuck were you thinking meeting her in private AFTER she had an emergency protection/stayaway order against you?
What are you doing placing your life in the hands of a PUBLIC FUCKING DEFENDER? Especially when you have $7,500.00 to blow on an appeal, where your grounds are much narrower as you're no longer before a trier of fact.
This is what happens when people try to handle crazy on their own or on the cheap: The entire criminal justice system closes in, crushing them.
[deleted] 8y ago
That's fucked up. I don't get the part about your future being ruined though.
Oftowerbroleaning 8y ago
I hope it's not, but having a felony on my record is extremely discouraging. This will follow me.
SpinalArt 8y ago
It will probably follow you but it won't ruin you. People have come back from worse. Consider this a lesson learned and be thankful it didn't end up being much worse.
Brave_Horatius 8y ago
You get to be part of the entrepreneurial master rave now. FUCK being answerable to anyone
Kalidane 8y ago
Kinda. It depends.
In my industry convictions for 'dishonesty' crimes must be advised to the employer and regulatory body.
Always declare it when travelling internationally. Failure to disclose is generally a bigger issue than the historic conviction.
basker932 8y ago
You think you're in bad shape right now? No matter how bad things get, even if you can't imagine things getting any worse, it can; so don't do anything stupid that'll really fuck things up. That's a trap in and of itself, even worse than the one you already got sucked into. Just make the best of what remains. You think you're the first guy that made a huge blunder and came to pay for it dearly? No. But we take our licking and chalk it up to experience. As a man, think with your head, not with your emotions like women do. It only feels like the end of the world right now. Banish those feels. That's what men do; we are not governed by emotions but by reason. Close your eyes and visualize every scenario that could happen...you'll come to the right conclusion. You might even get a few chuckles out of it.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
For sure. I'm laughing myself silly just reading your post!
netherlanddwarf 8y ago
This is some deep honest shit. Make me feel better reading it.
hirjd 8y ago
About the only thing you can do now is go into politics.
rurpe 8y ago
many white collar jobs look down on felonies
rurpe 8y ago
The protective order is also protection for you. You need better legal representation.
absolucion 8y ago
Holy crap. That is one vindictive human being.
True love is the rarest of commodities. Don't fool yourself into thinking this woman ever did. Stay far, far away. Move if you have to (once this legal issue is resolved). I would get things in motion right away.
[deleted] 8y ago
America is all kinds of fucked up. It baffels me that this is even possible.
[deleted] 8y ago
I don't know legal system in America. But I know you have to do your best, first stay out of jail and then do what you can with what you have. That's what we all do man.
You're so young, still in twenties, for a few years you'll forget about this and it will probably lift you up. We build us on these things.
However, I have to tell that if she did it to anyone in Europe or worse Eastern Europe she probably wouldn't survive. When things go over the line here, people solve them themselves.
Wish you best (just a question, how you can be war veteran with 24)?
SophisticatedIce 8y ago
Well you can join at 18 or even 17 with parental consent and then after the 4 years you'd be 22 or 21.
NeoBushi 8y ago
Not saying the story is far fetched but there are too many holes to determine if this is bullshit or not.
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Oftowerbroleaning 8y ago
? I joined at 17 and did 4 years.
anooblol 8y ago
Guilty until proven innocent. Awesome.
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Oftowerbroleaning 8y ago
Where would I post something like that?
machimus 8y ago
Fucking nowhere. You'll go to jail a third time for online anti-harassment laws. Learn your fucking lesson.
americanmook 8y ago
Don't do that. You'll look like an actual stalker
Butthole_Mysteries 8y ago
Do not do this. You might as well just write her a check for all of your money if you do.
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just register her-name.com , and post as much as you can
LeeBarbs 8y ago
No sir. That's what a woman would do
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holding people accountable for their actions is hardly feminine.
LeeBarbs 8y ago
Spreading gossip whether true or not is begging for drama. Which women crave and any self respecting man avoid like the plague.
LeeBarbs 8y ago
Posting this as a form of revenge is incredibly feminine. Want real revenge? Become better. Become more.
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OPs account is a month and a half old. Can you smell that smelly smell?
famousturtle 8y ago
Ur life seems so fucked up right that i would as well make her pay for it
And she texted u saying she would confess, arent the texts proof enough?
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slcjosh 8y ago
Convince the lawyer you paid a shit ton of money too to take your case to appeals court, and also a civil suit. Sue the bitch. If this is real.
Raigek 8y ago
Ok man best bet is to keep fighting even if you are locked up, keep writing blog posts or something.
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show them her text messages, voicemails and call logs.
no_face 8y ago
The best thing you can do is try to get a pardon, given evidence of innocence. Its highly unlikely to succeed however.
InformalCriticism 8y ago
Well, I thought I had it bad, and I do, not just quite that bad. It's good that you don't have any kids, that's a bigger plus than you might think.
It is a very dark time, and it will stay that way for a long time. You will be forever changed about how you think about your life and other people.
I'm not here to fix everything for you, but I am here to tell you my stupid-ass bitch of an ex had me in cuffs twice (because she got away with perjury and abuse of the legal system) and still hasn't stopped me from taking life by the balls and charging forward like a motherfucker.
Everyone here who recommends you stick with the lawyer and stick with the law is right, because one thing I learned every-so-slightly too late was that courts, judges, and lawyers don't give a flying FUCK about the truth they're just trying to clear the docket and masturbate in your money, because everyone in there is getting paid for this bullshit except for the clients.
Some very general thoughts on how to make this less painful is to make it as easy for your lawyer to prove that you are not the problem.
And people don't know this, but yeah, women can just make shit up and take your freedom. My cunt of a wife did more to me through civil court than any criminal prosecutor could have dreamed. I fucked up when I tried to charge her with assault, even though she did it and had been doing it for 10 months off and on, because in civil court that makes me look like an asshole and called into question my credibility as a witness to civil proceedings. They tried to spin it like me charging her (with something she had done) was solely for revenge for her infidelity. So no, do not, I repeat, do not expect any kind of justice. All you have is hope when it comes to the law.
Godspeed, or whatever.
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bcb77 8y ago
I hope you kept the letters and any voice mails that she left you after the initial false claim. If not, you are fucked.
hirjd 8y ago
I'm terribly sorry but this is a title straight out of 2x.
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tumbleweed_DO 8y ago
Had something similar, though not as drastic happen to me. Almost ruined my entire future. I'm sorry this happened to you. You've learned a lesson for life here. You can take solace in knowing that things change and life will get better. Good luck.
AVWA 8y ago
Pack your bags, get your passport, your going to Jamaica. Forever.
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cdtCPTret 8y ago
French Foreign Legion. Hear nice things about em.
Oftowerbroleaning 8y ago
I've considered it, but my mom has alzheimers and my dad recently had a stroke. My family needs me right now.
anon1880 8y ago
I wish the best concerning your parents health
CowardlyPetrov 8y ago
I'm sure you will do a lot for them in prison.
netherlanddwarf 8y ago
It's so painful to see this from the sidelines.
CowardlyPetrov 8y ago
Only if you are a beta bitch that gives out his sympathy like he loves his whores. This is a sad story, but it is a sad story about a moron.
If you had tried to help him before all this happened to him he would probably spit in your face. It took all this for him to -kind of- get it. This fucker is dense.
My hand is offered only to those who ask for it. I'm a patriarch, but I'm not the bloody greatfather in the sky.
And here is another angle.
Only if you believe him. This story sounds made up specifically with the intention of inciting vitriol.
TRPhd 8y ago
He's not getting any time on the inside, just a shit-ton of fines, probation and community service. That way the "justice" system can extract resources and not expend them on a clearly non-dangerous individual.
trpftw 8y ago
Basically he is just a bank account in a ruthless legal system.
CowardlyPetrov 8y ago
Great, so I am sure he will do a lot for his family as a slave.
TRPhd 8y ago
Well, at least the ass-raping is metaphorical.
CowardlyPetrov 8y ago
The serf thanks god he is not a slave.
TRPhd 8y ago
Slaves got raped, too. From a not-getting-ass-raped perspective, yeah, that's a good analogy. Anal-ogy. Anal. Butt rape. Get it?
evilmonster 8y ago
The MRA don't seem so pointless now do they?
ChickenBalotelli 8y ago
You really should have postponed the meet up with her until you could record her saying that she was going to admit her lies.....
If your lawyer "lied", I'm sure there's something you can do about this.......something about inadequate representation. I'd ask your new lawyer there.
marplaneit 8y ago
Take a fly to some other country and start again from 0.
Maximum_Ordinate 8y ago
Best of luck man, I don't know what to tell you. I can't believe a human would stoop that low. Is your dog okay?
Remember5thNovember 8y ago
Get hold of this guys attorney.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/obsessive-exs-cyberstalking-man-fired-arrested/story?id=26256346**
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johnnight 8y ago
You actually violated the court order. You are not innocent in regard to that.
Oftowerbroleaning 8y ago
You're right, I am guilty of violating the protective order, under extenuating circumstances for what it's worth. Not only did she tell me that she would tell the police the truth, she threatened to sends sexually explicit photos of myself to family and screen shots of sext messages if I didn't.
DexterousRichard 8y ago
If you were smart you'd have a record of everything she's said like this to you.
rp_valiant 8y ago
That's blackmailing you to break the law. IANAL but I'm sure that could've worked in your favour, had you brought it to court.
johnnight 8y ago
There are different things that can be communicated in response to your post. Practical advice or emotional support. Others have offered practical advice.
If there is nothing practical to be done, what we need to do is to stoically accept the loss and move on. And find things that make us happy again.
You are not in jail. There are innocent men out there who are.
You lost money on the attorney. Yes, that's part of life. If you crashed your car, you would have also lost money. It's a lot of money, but it's not that much considered over a life time. Accept that you will have unexpected expenses from time to time. Prepare for that.
Some smart guy said that most men are in jail because of women: beat a woman, raped a woman, beat another guy because of a woman, stole money to impress a woman, didn't pay alimony, etc.
I'm half past thirty, I've lost in civil court ca. your age, lost money on a crashed a car, had to pay a monthly salary to the debt collector. And it was depressing every time, but now it seems trivial. If we were women, we could cry together. Since we are men, all I can say as emotional support is: I sympathize but harden the fuck up, son.
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Oftowerbroleaning 8y ago
You're 100% right. I am not defending my actions, I am just explaining my logic, or lack thereof, and thought process which led to those actions.
nibbanabox 8y ago
I know nothing about the justice system but I would look for ANYTHING you could use as evidence. Get the best lawyer you can afford, and if possible, somehow try to get the girl to admit she was lying. Plenty of time these psycho scumbags break down at the end of things and admit they did it for attention. Try to get someone close to her to speak sense into her. If necessary, get somebody to fuck her shit up. Be advised that this is an absolute last resort if all else fails. Intimidation can go a long way. I feel like a piece of shit for saying this, but somebody threatening her son could change things. Again, this is the nuclear option, someone needs to let her realise she's ruining somebody's life.
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NightGod 8y ago
She ruined his life because he broke her heart. Totally fair! /s
tyrryt 8y ago
Attention, drama, spite, exerting control over a man, acting on emotional impulse - the same things that motivate all women.
Philhelm 8y ago
She's clearly evil and/or mental.
Kalidane 8y ago
Forget her motivations for anything. What surfer asks for a full psych assessment of the shark that bit his leg off?
She tried to fuck up OPs best mate. It's up to OP to decide how to respond to that.
Nogen12 8y ago
Try to see if you can get your story to the media if you really do have evidence.
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She rused you with the meeting :( protective orders will screw you over no matter what your intention was.
Wait, I don't get what you mean. Did he lie about the appealing process? Hopefully this works out in the end for you OP...
ParametricMind 8y ago
I'm so sorry brother. Don't know what else to say.
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BaldyJoyful 8y ago
You could look into the French Foreign Legion. That's pretty much the only out you got
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
You didn't see the trap.
You were in the military and what does the enemy do?
Do they tell you they are about to attack?
No... they trap you and attack when you don't expect it coming.
This woman has ruined your life and probably just for fun.
Were you reading Red Pill before this happened?
If so you didn't seem to get the message that women are totally fucked up these days.
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Just so you know...
I once talked with a woman for five minutes and she later invented a story where I was stalking her. The accusation was entirely false, but she filed the paperwork at the police station and it's on my record. This all happened a month after that five minute interaction.
What did I do?
Never got anywhere near that woman again.
Women have the courts on their side.
It's war... you just got hit... accept your loss.
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Oftowerbroleaning 8y ago
Yes, I was reading the red pill long before I even met her, I don't know what I was thinking. The whole situation went against everything I believed, but I did it anyway because it was good pussy. I stepped on my own dick
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Older white guys are so demoralized they are committing suicide left and right these days.
Stay alive.
Stay alive and fight this fucking psychological warfare going on.
This shit is getting worse all the time and we need men who "get it" and have the inner strength to fight despite all odds against us.
You are not alone in this. I was talking with a guy the other day who got thrown in jail for missing a child support payment to a woman he never married.
Watch out. Be careful.
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herewegoaga1n 8y ago
Sorry bud. I've been able to dodge my false accusations (3) so far. What is sad is when innocent guys like you are driven to suicide by these crazy bitches. I know RP is all "survival of the fittest", but I hope you're doing ok OP. Bitches be crazy. Stay strong.
Whisper 8y ago
Get a lawyer. Don't have any interaction with the "justice" system, in any capacity, without a lawyer standing next to you.
Soriq 8y ago
I actually do have sympathy for you. Shit's fucked up.
Definitely try another lawyer. If you have valid evidence, keep fighting this. Don't lay down and take this so easily.
wehadtosaydickety 8y ago
He already pled guilty he is fucked
CriticalThink 8y ago
Kill her? I kid......but women do this because they face no repercussions.
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slider162 8y ago
That is why I think this is complete BS. The protective order goes both ways. If this were true, she would be in as much trouble as he says he is in with all of the evidence that he has. A good lawyer doesn't cost more than $2,500 for this. The whole story stinks.
_DiscoNinja_ 8y ago
Whatever happens next, do exactly what the $7500 attorney tells you to do, with no deviation.
nia_kills 8y ago
Next time use your male intuition...
billcosbyeatsbabies 8y ago
gonna be honest here buddy, you fucked up on multiple occasions. nothing we say can help you immediately fix the situation. you're still going to fuck up regardless of how much guidance we give you, because your mind is in such a fragile and unstable place. something about you seemed vulnerable, something about you seemed like it'd be easy to exploit you. that cunt exploited you, and the police exploited you. what are you going to do about it? as of this exact moment, develop the most stubborn frame ever known to the face of man. how the fuck did you even let them arrest you or give you a sentence in the first place? because you have a penetrable frame. you seemed weak somehow. i would have repeatedly told the police that were arresting me in a very calm and matter-of-fact fashion that i did not abuse her, so why am i being arrested for it? spell it out for them in plain and simple terms. like you were speaking to a kindergartner.
it's never too late. develop your stubborn frame instantaneously. right fucking now. next time you see your lawyer/judge/police officer who arrested you/any official authority in this case, let them know you are going to pursue this case to the absolute ends of the earth to prove you didnt do it. the key here is to deliver your message of innocence to the right people in the most calm, cool and collected frame known to man. endurance wins my friend. tire the opponents out. keep going until they dont give a fuck anymore. tell them you would literally rather die than to give up this case right now. she severely injured your dog, your mental health and she is a huge threat to society. people such as herself shouldnt be allowed near anyone. tell them plainly, flat out, calm and composed, with the conviction of the motherfucking army vet that you are, that you will not be arrested for this. you didnt do it, so you dont deserve to get arrested for it. flat out.
juliusstreicher 8y ago
This is the clearest vision of the OP's problem; your portrait of the OP reminds me of a good friend of mine. Always being pegged as the dumbass, and the one to take the fall. The 'lookout'. Always dancing to the tune played by others. This needs fixing, first and foremost. It won't be fixed by his choosing to; he will need A LOT of work.
Rasalom72 8y ago
The most common held fallacy is that there is any justice to be had in the "justice" system. It's called that to give people the Feeling of justice... but it's really just the criminal court system.
Sara_Solo 8y ago
You'd think that there is more justice in the criminal system being that the burden of proof is much higher than a mere preponderance, but logic is immediately thrown out when a sweet innocent woman enters the equation.
Echelon64 8y ago
Fucking christ m8 you've really gone fucked up.
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You're an idiot, you let her use the justice system to ruin your life. Live and learn.
SpHornet 8y ago
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it makes no sense; why would he even need this:
he had the evidence, he was away from her as he wanted... why meet? it makes no sense; i say troll
vanhagen 8y ago
Lessons learned for this: #1 when someone files a restraining order against you (and this applies to those of you about to go through a divorce. Very common for your soon to be ex to get one) Do Not violate it for any reason. #2 Don't be cheap. spend whatever you have to hire a good attorney from the beginning. Your freedom and your future are worth the money!
trpftw 8y ago
The problem is, the more lawyers charge, the more people think they are good.
The trouble is, how the hell would you know if your attorney is actually good or just paid a lot?
The private lawyers are fully aware that the more they charge, the better they "seem".
HuskerMedic 8y ago
Get friendly with a cop. Casually bring up defense attorneys. If they go off on a rant on one, that's the one you want to hire.
trpftw 8y ago
hahaha i love the way you think. But step 1 is hard.
not__banksy 8y ago
You violated a court order. You're a fucking retard.
RPAlternate42 8y ago
You would have been fine, I think, if you had just NOT VIOLATED THE FUCKING COURT ORDER.
The cops and the justice system deal with false claims pretty regularly.
You, however, decided that a crazy bitch's word was more important; you thought she'd be honorable. You thought she developed some fucking character within 2 weeks?
Jesus T.F. Christ, son. Unfortunately, you learned this lesson the very hard way.
Devaan_2 8y ago
You let your biological desire for women rule your instincts you should suffer the consequences of dating single mom( red flag) and you trusted her even after she falsely accused you ...
Well nothing much to say, system is stacked against you
Fafner2 8y ago
You sound like a fool for violating the court order. This is a malicious woman, and I hope that justice makes its way into her life one way or another.
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Stay away from single mother scums. Cut all contact with this woman FOREVER.
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That is a tough pill to swallow but you have learnt that the first time you get burned is the last time. You should never have gone back to her.
Once they prove they will lie to hurt you, you can never treat them like humans again. They are sick dogs that will turn on you in a moment.
You have my sympathy. Write the story down long form and submit to all the local news agencies. Who knows you might get some attention for how nonsense this is.
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gregsapopin 8y ago
Should have hired that good attorney from the start.
ghostface134 8y ago
Where are the letters of confession? You have the text messages on your phone account obviously as well as the emails.
CowardlyPetrov 8y ago
I find it hard not to suspect this guy of being a feminist troll trying to incite anger.
psycho-logical 8y ago
Amazing how many "rational" men fall for bait that supports their narrative. Male hamsters in overdrive in this thread.
awedfeab 8y ago
baiting out the "go kill her" responses heh
netherlanddwarf 8y ago
It's funny who lurks in the shadows :/
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Your mother is impressed by tears. Your brothers are not. Live and learn.
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_fitlegit 8y ago
Sounds like you ruined your life
1v1mebruh 8y ago
Take note guys! Don't be a retard. Sorry to hear your story, but boy oh boy, NEVER EVER talk to a bitch who calls the cops on you after the initial incident. Be grateful that you got out of it with just a restraining order and GET THE FUCK AWAY. You play with fire, you risk getting burnt; play with fire after getting burnt once, and you're an idiot.
LarsPoosay 8y ago
B.S.
When she jumped out of the car, how did she explain the fact that you both were together in the middle of nowhere?
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Arbitrage84 8y ago
never ever date single mothers. Holy fuck bro, I hope you recover.
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Liquidate all your assets, transfer to Bitcoin, pm if you want details on how to create an untraceable wallet.
Get your passport, get on a one way ticket out of there to a third world country of your choice. It's the best way out for you I suppose.
ShekelBanker 8y ago
My my, with those acting skills of her, she's Actor's Guild material.
Get a proper lawyer and stay the fuck away from her and whatever she says/sends you until the situation, hopefully, is sorted in your favour.
Hope I don't need to say that thou shalt not date single women, and this goes for everyone here.
glassesandbeard 8y ago
This is a massive shit test for the community and all of you are letting your frame getting rattled. Good God, is this the Red Pill or Recovering Betas Anonymous?
If you want to reach out then reach out in a semi-anonymous way then do so privately in a way that you can't get DOX'd. But don't react like little wags waiting to publicly wrap yourself around the feminist little finger expectations of lurkers in just the way they want you too.
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I don't know what the wiretapping laws are in your state but if she was calling you and admitting over the phone that she lied you should have recorded it.
TRPBackpacker 8y ago
The law is based on a premise: The court doesn't know you or her. Law is merciless especially when you broke a previous order.
I've had to deal with a lot of crazy bitches through some business I have to do. With guys you can always negotiate. With woman, they always escalate to lawsuits right away without the negotiation. Even if you negotiate something out of court for settlement, they will still show up in court pretending the negotiation never happened. Unless you present evidence that it did happen. With receipts, registered letter of delivery, signed documents of witness etc.
Notice that a guy can do exactly the same thing and lie through their teeth. The reality is that a woman's nature of lying is just well synchronized with how hard it is to prove that certain event did happen.
The lesson I learned with everything is to: record all conversations. Be paranoid. When you are in shit, record video evidences. Do not talk on the phone but use email for official correspondences. That is if you are a chump and is on the defensive.
The only times I get a woman to back down is to escalate with the tit for tat strategy. "You are screwing me? Oh well, here's a few lawsuit that I have prepackaged and I am going to serve 3 to you because you did this to me." Always escalate 3 times the damage they are seeking by any means necessary till they learn the lesson and stops. Some are stupid and some catches on quickly. For the stupid ones, you'll have to survive waves of counter accusation. But if you escalate 3x their accusation or causes them 3x the damage of their supposed accusation (make sure you damage is immediate and theirs will take time to pan out.) every time they accuse you of something, they'll catch on eventually. But this requires gathering evidence ever since the beginning of your interaction. This is the reason why I prefer less than 5 real friends in life instead of having too many.
And with the woman you do this with, you have to be merciless to the end. I made the mistake of going soft and agree to their proposal twice. Every time I get a worst outcome. Their call for truce is usually a way to get time to breath and prepare for the next assault. Woman are vengeful and will never walk away until they feel they have you bent to their will or their lives are completely devastated.
GBralta 8y ago
Op, you messed up bad here. However, you can see if the judge will accept the text, emails and voicemails as evidence that you were coerced into seeing her again. You've learned a valuable lesson as well. Single moms are usually single for a good reason and you should leave them where they are.
gonzotw 8y ago
The judge can't deny an appeal. That's what the appellate courts are for.
DexterousRichard 8y ago
Appeals courts can only hear questions of LAW. If the lower court screwed up in interpreting the law, or the law has changed, you can appeal. If it's not a legal question but an argument over the facts of the case, you generally can't appeal.
gonzotw 8y ago
even if you take a plea, you have 30 days to withdraw that plea. It's not something the judge can deny.
enkae7317 8y ago
Tough bro. You're roughly the same age as me and I can't see this happening to myself. Lesson learned..the hard way.
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Primemale 8y ago
I would get some secret film footage either of her admitting to lying, either to you or perhaps a girl you could get to converse with her, if that fails, ruin that bitches FUCKING LIFE, by hook or by crook, she deserves NO MERCY, if what you say is accurate.
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Guys got missed the single mom post.
Question, why did you go back after the first arrest? You like punishment?
juliusstreicher 8y ago
Yep. The girl wasn't his biggest enemy; his brain was.
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havelbrandybuck 8y ago
After the 60 days protective order, any contact from her should have been left ignored, or any compromise of you breaching the order to meet her should have been strictly under the condition that she sends you written and signed evidence of your innocence in the mail or left on your truck - potentially with evidence of withdrawal request of the protective order.
Unfortunately you consistently gave her legal leverage over yourself.
NomNomYoMomma 8y ago
Do you have any notes, letters, or texts of her saying she will tell the truth if you came over. That could be used in your favor.
Deviousstranger 8y ago
Wtf, i don't know about US law system but is there no way he can appeal? Is he fucked because of a state monkey who adviced him to take the plea deal?
Jesus, borderline dystopic shit here gentleman.
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CNileDotA 8y ago
I'd just fuck off to another country. Bhutan, Croatia, China, Kazakhstan, and a slew of other fine countries have no extradition treaty with the U.S., and your money will go a long way there. Iceland is also famous for giving asylum to wanted men, but it's pretty cold and dreary up there.
RacialRealism 8y ago
Wow man I feel really bad for you. If it makes you feel any better you've put the ever-loving fear of god in thousands of readers.
I will undoubtedly never approach a single mother in my natural life after reading this. Beyond all the good reasons to never date a single mother, this has scared the shit out of me.
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Secrety get her back for it(she'll know who and why) but in a way that they can't trace it back to you and then change countries: New Zeland, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark.
That's what you get for being a dum-dum bluepill man.
draketton 8y ago
Why do you single out those 5 countries?
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I just think that life is comfortable there.
Grandmaz 8y ago
just give us a name and address im sure someone can fix this
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Good luck bro. Don't be so stupid in the future. If you saved the texts and shit you should be fine but mentally prepare for the worst case scenario.
Consider this a good lesson learned the hard way.
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denart4 8y ago
Welcome to the "justice" system.
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iteal 8y ago
that's some really awful advice.
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Committing crimes is a bad sexual strategy.
You can't fuck hot girls from inside prison walls.
TruckerJohn 8y ago
Okay. So comments like this are part of the reason why fucking New Zealand banned us. We're not a hate group. And nowhere should you ever advocate violence or law-breaking activity on a board that is already on literally the entire world's shit list. Don't be a dumb cunt.
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derek985 8y ago
It was ironic sarcasm intended to highlight the double standard men have to endure in the face of evil intent - anyone that actually takes it as serious advice should have their own head examined for a multitude of reasons. That being said, imagine what would happen if the kind of people who actually engineer this kind of evil frame-job had to stop and think for a second about just what might happen to them when backing some poor bastard into a corner and he has nothing to lose. Do you think it would happen more often or less often?
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TheBeardedMarxist 8y ago
You're an idiot. She fair and simple got you. She is a crazy bitch. You should have never met with her after your first arrest, and just kept all of her communications as evidence. You are in deep shit with a crazy bitch now. I hope your attorney is good and hopefully can minimize the punishment.
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Dude bitches be crazy. Stay away from the megacray
Gltmastah 8y ago
Get the fuck out of there mate
kwest720 8y ago
Bitches be crazy, i feel for you bro, you definetly shouldnt have gone back to her under any circumstances but no of us know for sure what was going through your mind at the time, take it easy, things have a way of working out in the end. The psycho bitch will get her own soon enough
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F_Dingo 8y ago
I'd skip the country, move somewhere else. Having a felony is going to essentially kill your chances at getting a good paying job unless you start your own business.
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whydoievenreply 8y ago
Sorry to hear this. Ain't nothing I can say to you to help you that hasn't already been said in this place.
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