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sandal_on 6y ago
Hi. I have been looking for a thread that I need to learn from again really fast because I am in need of knowing.
This thread is based a guy where his ex comes back, shit tests him at the bar and tries hard to make him jealous by showing a picture of her new boyfriend. She comes back and forth trying but he holds his frame. In the end she cries and he holds his frame. In the end he has sex with her despite telling him no sex but later changes her mind when he shows he doesn't care.
I would appreciate it greatly if someone could show me the thread again because I have been looking for it in weeks but still haven't found it.
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BluPillMaster-bater 6y ago
All anecdotal: What the fuck is with my observation that alpha-males are often NOT intellectually curious?
And why are beta males so often intelligent?
A sincere question as a struggling blue pill pussy, with brains way bigger than his balls. I suspect that not overthinking things is critical in achieving some alpha-male success..
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chimpy313 6y ago
Besides the physical looks, what's REALLY the difference between an attractive girl, average or even ugly looking girl? Would the same game that has worked on an average looking chick work on the same chick if she was a model tier looking hottie?
ENOUGH_TRUMP_SPAM_ 6y ago
Why did mods censor the misconceptions post that hit TRP fallacies head on?
[deleted] 6y ago
Are trp principals ironclad,or are there exceptions to the rule. What if you're dealing with what I'd like to call a "woke" "woman". Someone that knows not to mess around with certain men, and doesn't do one night stands. Has anyone broken through this type of woman that only gives it up to whomever they're in a relationship with?
EatTheRichNZ 6y ago
25 male living with LTR , with 3 other girls in the same household. Constantly have my frame tested. I had a very BP approach into maintaining friendships with my flat mates in terms of listening to their problems, giving them solutions, wasting unnecessary energy on people who didn't care for me. Do not want to a slave in this energy sucking carousel any longer.
What would be some essential boundaries that I should never cross with them? they are 23-24 HB 8-9's.
j_ok_i 6y ago
Continue to be their friend. But don't try to solve their problems. If they want a guy's opinion, tell them what they want to hear. And have fun with them as you would with any other flatmates regardless of gender.
If infidelity and insecurities regarding infidelity are something you want to stay away from, don't drink with the other girls alone.
Self-honest 6y ago
Just be the fucking man. You're being an intelligent girlfriend.
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You need to act like you have zero time for them.
I wouldn't even acknowledge their existence most of the time. It's going to be a difficult transition because you were basically their platonic emotional tampon before.
buttgoogler 6y ago
I'm on my way transforming from beta white knight into a somewhat decent alpha being and i pretty often face this problem: i feel comfortable and self-confident most of the time, but whenever there's another more alpha male appears, it all goes to shit. I lose my confidence and the inner beta leaks out. Is there a way to overcome that?
j_ok_i 6y ago
You're either alone or in your comfort zone (due to habits and routine) most of the time. So when you feel confident and in control of those situations, good. But it doesn't necessarily expand into external situations.
Men behave in a way where there is usually one alpha male and most people will know it. The best way to not let this get into your head where you're thinking "oh shit I'm not the most alpha here" is to forget about it. If you go out and you're ranking someone above (or below) yourself, you've already lost because you're over-analyzing and will end up faking it to some extent.
Let it go when you're in social situations. Build yourself in the comforts of this subreddit, the gym, home, etc but once you go out and the spotlight shines, don't think about it. Actors need to rehearse their lines to near perfection because once you're on stage you don't have thinking time. You just act.
Rollo_Mayhem3 6y ago
you can't be alpha all the time and there is nothing wrong with that. YOU JUST have to ACCEPT that fact. the worse thing you can start to do is try to be alpha or prove yourself rather than accept that fact. luckily there is an order in the universe, so maybe you don't get the attention of the top pussy, I am sure there is plenty of pussy to go around...
buttgoogler 6y ago
Appreciate those words, thanks.
Self-honest 6y ago
They way you overcome your problem is by realizing there is no such thing as "an alpha being." You are tying your identity to a word used to explain behavior. Just act how you want to act regardless of who else is in the room.
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EscapeTheGoat 6y ago
So I've been getting started reading No More Mr. Nice Guy. It kind of sounds like it's just telling you to not be a pushover? Which is good advice definitely.
In33dmon3yz 6y ago
How do you Keep a hoe From leaving the CC . She is horny and wants to fuck me but Looks für Commitment. Didnt fuck yet she is From tinder , didnt even Meet just talked a little over text ( sexual). She initiates all of the Contact? I just wanna Bang her an be done with ot. What do to Not fuck it up ?
Masoun 6y ago
any advice gaming women on their period?
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cupshadow 6y ago
So, I sent one article about Alpha fucks/Beta bucks to a very close and old friend of mine to analyze and give his thoughts. He said that this makes no sense since today's woman is present in the workforce, so why would they need a guy to provide?
Couldn't answer that question and was in hope that some of you could help me explain that one.
BluPillMaster-bater 6y ago
you should expand beyond the literal "paycheck" to include much more. Beta males DO FOR women, Alpha males DO TO women. Or in another way, women need men to do things for them, but WANT men to do things to them.
A beta bucks man does more than financially provide. He protects, cleans, maintains, repairs, massages.. Lots of things. So expand the literal from just money. He does so with the HOPE of sexual fulfillment. He HOPES.
But the alpha does not HOPE. He takes. And she relishes it.
cupshadow 6y ago
Oh, I get it now. Thank you.
BluPillMaster-bater 6y ago
Well.. that worries me if you get it now. I appreciate the thank you, but this is actually a complex topic that requires a generous combination of a lot of reading, a lot of discussion, and most importantly, a lot of life experience. Many of the people in this forum are over 40, because it takes awhile and many disappointments before you realize that something is wrong..
Many of us take years blaming women (many here still blame women), but really the problem is us men and this forum represents the pain of learning, discovery and growth.
cupshadow 6y ago
No need to worry, honestly. Not gonna say that I completely understood, maybe because as you said, it takes a lot of reading, discussions and experience. It's also the fact that I hate to delve into long discussions on forum, the format doesn't work for me. Just wanted to be straight to the point.
Also, I haven't been here too long too. I'm in my late 20s, came here a few months ago during my so long journey in searching a solution for my old woman problem (and social relations in general). Stayed for the content. Being a good student, I try to make questions only for doubts along the readings.
It's just my way to appreciate the time people put into answering my questions.
BluPillMaster-bater 6y ago
Cool.
Regarding experience.. here's the difference. You have or had a suspicion that you were missing something. I see men with this self-doubt all of the time, and I was the same way. We see alphas and feel a sense of "why the hell can't I be like that!?"
But in your 40s, you no longer suspect now you can confirm. Confirmation for many of us comes from a divorce. Ironically, natural alphas have problems, but they'll never have the same sort of self-doubt that makes them wet their pants when publicly speaking or talking to a hot woman.
Anyway dude.. good luck! I wish you boat loads of pussy.
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What is the ideal relationship between you and your father in law?
Passthepogs 6y ago
Is there a list anywhere to tell us which subs we’re instabanned from for being subbed here?
Its getting frustrating now.
Mathew_F 6y ago
Just cut off all my old friends because they were very bad influences. How do I find new ones? I’m only 17 years old and going to Basic Training in 3 months. Should I just ride solo until I start college after?
Divad_raizok 6y ago
Yeah. 17? You'll meet new buddies at basic and in college. I wouldn't sweat it. Your best friendships are yet to come, I'm sure.
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Question about correct reasoning for the outrageous number of women who have been sexually assaulted compared to men.
You all know the 80/20 rule. It is also commonly known that women are much pickier with who they are with compared to men. This is because women aren't attracted to as many men as men are attracted to women.
Let's say you're a man at a club. A girl comes by and slaps your ass, and walks past you. Right at that moment, you look at the girl and you (and possibly your friends) know that she is interested, and you (or your friends) say that you should go talk to her. You can technically say that she "sexually assaulted" you, or charge her with sexual battery, but do not because you enjoy it. Because most guys are less picky than women, they aren't really "creeped" out by what she did.
Let's say you're a woman at a club. A guy comes by and slaps your ass, and walks past you (like a beta bitch). At that moment, assuming the 80/20 rule is applied, it is likely that you will not like that because he isn't attractive. You know he is interested, but do not want to pursue him because he isn't attractive, or he is giving off of a bad vibe. You can technically say he sexually assaulted you and can charge him for sexual assault (most likely sexual battery). You decide not to, but because of that incident, you consider what he did as "sexual assault".
Guys in general are more likely to enjoy when a girl does a sexual act to him, while girls are less likely to. Because of this, the girl is more likely to claim it as being "sexually assaulted".
Is this a logical conclusion to why sexual assault numbers are jacked up so high for women compared to men?
riverraider69 6y ago
No. I mean that's a factor, of course (see teachers and students), but there's a much shorter explanation that starts from the same facts: if women want sex they just have to raise their skirts. They have neither the drive nor the motivation to be aggressive in their game.
Men are the pursuers, the active party. So it's pretty much a statistic certainty that some will cross the socially defined line.
wereworm5 6y ago
Been a lurker here for a very long time and saved a ton of posts I know I still need to read the sidebar first . Can anyone shine me a pathway on how to start this sub
Self-honest 6y ago
Well you can't do that now can you? You read it FIRST so all of the posts you have read and saved make more sense.
Go read the sidebar immediately man. Why are you procrastinating?
Suave_Terry 6y ago
What? You answered your own question: start with the sidebar. Some people need to be told how to do everything...
Fulp_Piction 6y ago
1) Read the side bar.
2) Apply the info in whatever way works for you.
3) Read the top posts of all time.
4) Step 2.
5) Read the book of pook/roissy reader/ therationalmale.
6) Step 2.
You'll manage from there.
You learn to run by putting one foot in front of the other, not by reading books about running.
cruzbmx 6y ago
this is how i took the pill. great analogy with running, its taken a lot longer to internalize than it has to read all those articles and therationalmale. but what would I have been choosing to internalize if hadn’t read them?
another addendum to 3), when reading recent posts, pay close attention who’s writing the post. What’s that saying about the blind leading the blind? the mods have improved greatly recently but even still, there are really amazing posts not getting recognition
Writs_For_Your_Tits 6y ago
I agree. Conversely, there are some really shit posts getting a lot of recognition. TRP is not nearly as rigid on content and community as it was several years ago. The meritocracy is weaker, and I have a feeling that we've been infiltrated by women and/or males with feminine views. Test everything, even EC's can lead you astray. Still like you say, the mods have improved greatly recently and hopefully that's a trend, not an extinction burst.
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lovs2spuge 6y ago
Handling a shit test:
Ive read the sidebar material relating to shit tests and it has helped me tremendously. However, there was one time in my past in particular where I cold approached and got truly stuck and failed. Gave her a bad pickup line and her response was:
"Is that seriously the best pickup line you have?" (in a very condescending tone)
If something like this were to happen again, what would be the best way for me to go about it? When it happened, I ignored and walked away. AA, DA, etc?
Pilliam66 6y ago
"I save my good pick up lines for hot girls"
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
"No, but it's the one you deserve". Came up with it off the top of my head I don't know
YetisInAtlanta 6y ago
tell her, that it was the best one she deserved jokingly then get back to it. or just deflect it to say she must not be that desirable if she keeps getting the same bunk lines
Self-honest 6y ago
AA. Do you care? Do you want to talk to this girl? Just have fun.
dr_warlock 6y ago
"Nah I have a better one, [insert cheesy/funny line]".
youcantdenythat 6y ago
You shouldn't generally use pickup lines. Just introduce yourself.
lovs2spuge 6y ago
Slowly learning this as Ive started swallowing TRP. That was just an example from my old full blown blue pill self.
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
"Yes" and just stand there and wait for her reaction. Who cares.
lovs2spuge 6y ago
That’s more or less what i did. I stood there for a sec after i said it, she didn’t say anything, i walked away.
newName543456 6y ago
Sounds like she was negative towards you from the beginning. Warmer ones would laugh at least.
May not have been much to be done, some are just hostile.
lovs2spuge 6y ago
Thats the vibe I picked up from her which is why I walked away. She has a reputation for being pretty snobby - daddy is super rich and she lives a pretty lavish lifestyle because of it.
blackedoutfast 6y ago
"lol no i'm saving my best line for a hot girl"
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
Bad reply. If you don't think she's hot, why would you approach her. Why are you approaching ugly chicks. Bad frame.
blackedoutfast 6y ago
you're over thinking this shit
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
Girl approached is a girl validated already
strongcrunch 6y ago
You've probably met this girl very often in your day to day life. You know who I'm talking about. The girl in the corner of the room seeing you have a great time, she notices the charming way you carry yourself, how you seemingly ooze social value, and you might even be more handsome than she is pretty.
She seems like an easy lay, but every time you tug on your fishing line showing her your interest she breaks free and swims away.
Who knows what her agenda is, maybe she has low self esteem. Maybe she's trying to get over her ex. Maybe she wants to raise her own social value. Maybe you lost frame.
So how do you turn that potential lay into some kinetic action? In what ways do you assert your desire without shooting yourself in the foot?
riverraider69 6y ago
Coquette you mean?
7s get way more attention than 9s. They look approachable, so men approach them - and some of them just went with it and build the skillset needed to milk this for all it's worth.
Short answer: just don't. I wasted half a year on one and left with nothing to show for it. In hindsight she was a god damn genius at it, was spinning more plates than a juggler.
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dandy123456 6y ago
Curious to know, what's the issue with ltring your vcard holder? If you've got trp down and are spinning plates, improving yourself everyday and have a good understanding of dread, what could possibly go wrong?
Self-honest 6y ago
then you should already know
Buwby 6y ago
I had a date set for Friday to grab drinks with a girl from tinder. She was sending my nudes with face included. We texted everyday through snap and she kept on saying I can't wait for friday. We were chatting and out of no where she deleted me off Snapchat. What's my next step to man up
AllgBeamtenrecht 6y ago
i know those. they want to be validated and nothing else. they have a ton of contacts and send them all the same pics and vids. you are nothing to them. approach outside, online is a women's playingfield
j_ok_i 6y ago
Nothing. Next her, and if she comes back, good. You don't need her.
riverraider69 6y ago
It's a hard lesson, but a lot of the things in the game don't depend on you at all. Maybe she got back together with her ex, or whatever.
It's one of the reasons you should put yourself first, and avoid putting all your chips on the same girl. No matter how well you do, things can always go south through no fault of your own.
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I sustained a terrible back/leg/hamstring injury deadlifting 2 years ago and haven't been able to work out this entire time. How can I better myself in the interim where I can't work out (probably another few months while I heal from surgery and do rehab) and can anyone share stories about injury recovery and overcoming it? Really down in the dumps about this. Thanks.
Goljuf 6y ago
Not sure about your spesific injury but swimming can make you relatively fit without making your muscles damaged.
seducter 6y ago
I had a leg injury from squatting, and it wouldnt go away for like 8 months. Then I read this thing from the guy who wrote Starting Strength about how the best way to heal injured muscles is to work them out lightly at first but gradually increasing the weight and really focusing on form. So I started squatting light and gradually increased the weight and the issue went away. It sounds like yours was a bit more than that, but maybe combining the workout with physio could help.
I think it had something to do with breaking down the muscles recruits whatever mechanism repairs the body to focus on that area, which also heals any damaged tissue as well. Something like thye discovered it with race horses in the past that they would have to retire due to injury but could give them a second wind by burning them around the area they were injured.
X--Man 6y ago
Maintain your goals. Even though you may not be able to lift right now, stay focused on your well-being. Eat right, stretch/meditate if that works for you. Do what you can, without causing further injury. Take rehab seriously. Read. Use this downtime to continue to better yourself in other ways. Do you have access to a sauna? Use it if you do/are able. It will provide a few of the benefits of doing cardio, without the physical activity. It's hard not being able to lift and reap the benefits of lifting, but you can still focus on you, and making improvements elsewhere. Good luck man.
Fulp_Piction 6y ago
Don't force your way back with posterior chain injuries. Injured mine in August and I still feel it after v. light deads. Yoga?
RandyBumgardner85 6y ago
You have the right attitude. I guess the best thing you can convey is that you're aware you're a short ass, you're comfortable with it, you can laugh about it, you don't give a fuck and you won't let it stop you banging chicks.
Often having a genetic disadvantage can give a man the added motivation to achieve great things. You see the same thing with dyslexics.
Voltz4ge 6y ago
What are yalls thoughts on getting chicks as a freshman in high school? You know, with the fact that everyone is under the leash of their parents now.
Sublimis_ 6y ago
I have somewhat of a noob question I guess. I am fairly new. It’s advice on a fairly common shit test i encounter.
What is the best way of approaching the “Am i pretty?” or “Does this make me look fat?” etc. shit test?
In the past, if i was in a relationship with the girl I would either just kiss her or tell her something like “what do you think?”. Outside of relationships, one time this girl with a bf asked me and I told her she should ask her bf
But I am not sure what the best way to go about this shit test is, especially outside of relationships. Obviously I’m not going to just start clit riding them and tell them they’re pretty lmao, but I feel I could be handling these way better but I honestly don’t know how. Any advice?
I normally wouldn’t ask about specific situations like this, but this one comes up so often I thought it’d be worth the ask. Thank you in advance
X--Man 6y ago
Always show authority in response to these tests. And, Do not give away free validation.
You can say "Insecurity bores me." or "I thought you were more confident than that." or ask "Are you fishing for compliments?"
If you are past first base with them. "I'm XXXX(kissing,banging, etc) you, arent I."
You are not agreeing with them. You are not rewarding them with blue pill replies. You are putting yourself above them, exactly where they want you to be and exactly where you should be.
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
hell no bitch u ugly as f
yup, you should cut the muffins absolutely
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marython 6y ago
I would be careful brother. I dated a woman 8 yrs my senior at 22, and while it was some of the best sex I had experienced up til then, she also took over my life. I was in a much more blue pill mindset then, so I was easily manipulated. But even with TRP, at your age it can be hard to catch the mind games a woman that much older and more experienced plays. Granted mine was doing her PhD, so she was no dummie.
Treat her like a pet tiger: enjoy the play time, but don't let your guard down. And be looking for other plates in your spare time. This thing will fizzle out eventually when she decides she needs a man with more stability.
PM_me_nicetits 6y ago
I don't really feel like I have any hobbies right now. I'm gonna start surfing this summer. I go to festivals. I go to the gym. I want to learn how to DJ this year (I'm 32). Thoughts? Recommendations?
riverraider69 6y ago
Not an answer as much as an extra problem. Some hobbies are useless, and some leak benefits into your life. Chose the latter.
Short example: I fooled around lightly with archery and indoor climbing. Archery is awesome, but doesn't leave you with anything at all outside the range, or at least nothing worth the effort. Climbing on the other hand gives you a sense of balance, good body, and the confidence that you can climb stuff if you really need to.
j_ok_i 6y ago
I never really considered festivals as a hobby. I've been to a few, never really raves, but what constitutes it as a hobby really? You're not bettering yourself, you're just having fun and meeting people. It's great to do it but not really as a hobby imo.
Surfing, DJ-ing are fantastic choices. A physical outlet, a creative outlet, now find something that builds your mind. The most common one for this is usually reading.
PM_me_nicetits 6y ago
I have a bunch of books that I am going to start reading. Some are really good sounding, some are just a bunch of crime books I got from my uncle when he passed.
buttgoogler 6y ago
Have you tried looking up steps on youtube? I bet it's flooded with tutorials and how-to's about DJing and making music.
PM_me_nicetits 6y ago
As for the DJ stuff, something like dj.com has a full free course. I was looking at other hobbies I can do. Right now I feel....boring.
buttgoogler 6y ago
Have you tried boxing/mma? That's a good way of bringing new emotions into your life. Plus those are useful skills that might help you one day.
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Any drawbacks to doing YouTube as a side-hustle/hobby?
lovs2spuge 6y ago
As long as you aren't like Logan Paul, go for it.
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I reckon that it will give me a ton of social proof when it comes to girls, should people at my school find out.
I’m conflicted on whether or not to advertise my first video on my Instagram (with 1k+ followers atm) because that would be a good jump start for the view/subscriber count.
ImHerWonderland 6y ago
You could try, I'd subscribe to see a 16 year old pursue a fitness journey, people eat that shit up. Personally I think you could make it if you tracked your fitness progress, but if you're trying to train others you're screwed. Imho athlean-x Jeff Cavaliere is the SME on all things fitness with an outstanding background to back it up.
Also try and protect yourself from doxxing, when I make videos I use personas or aliases.
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True. However, I don’t think there is anything unique about me at the moment that would make people watch a vid, and then keep coming back. That’s why my plan is to start the channel at the end of my cut, so my physique will be at the best it has ever been. The physique is what keeps people coming back. (Look at ANY mainstream fitness personality.)
I agree I shouldn’t try to teach fitness. Guys like Jeff Cavaliere have that on LOCK. That’s why I referenced Connor Murphy. On top of the physique, he’s tall, white, and handsome (no homo). That’s what he has got going for him. My age is what I’ve got going for me. Combine the age, the body, and an outrageous video concept? Ez viral vid.
ImHerWonderland 6y ago
Afaik Connor Murphy is also on gear. You're under 18 right? How much do you weigh? I'm not saying this to put you down, but without finishing puberty I don't see how you'd have enough mass while being cut enough to stand out from the plethora of guys on YT that are on gear and claim natty with killer physiques. But im just playing devils advocate.
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I’m shooting in the dark as far as where my physique will be at by the time I start this project. If it’s not where I want it to be, I’ll give myself another 6-12 months to get it where I want.
Self-honest 6y ago
What content are you going to be creating?
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My plan is to make one or more videos that could easily go viral, think Connor Murphy, and once I gain a substantial following from those I’ll focus on a niche and grow it from there - probably fitness.
Tonibullettooth 6y ago
That Market is saturated as fuck for once and all the fitness youtubers are bitching between each Other who stole what From whom. I would try to find Another niche
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True but nothing I plan on doing is proprietary or anything.
Self-honest 6y ago
Holy shit that dude is jacked. Yeah, do that. It will definitely keep you accountable. Maybe you'll make a few bucks too.
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I agree. There are a lot of potential RP benefits that I could reap from it.
Salted_Pretzel 6y ago
Super saturated and dry. Do people really need another chest video? Probably not. I'm guessing you don't want to go that route and use your phsyque to draw people in.
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I disagree. The only person I can think of that uses their physique solely for the purpose of YouTube is Connor Murphy. Other fitness stars are either educational or vloggers.
Also, I feel like I can top all of those people in terms of producing high quality content. I’ve been into film making/editing since I was a around 10 (I’m 16 now). I’ve got a friend who has won awards for his cinematography onboard for this operation as well.
Salted_Pretzel 6y ago
Then go for it, bro. Post when you have your channel started. I'll subscribe to you.
buttgoogler 6y ago
Connor Murphy is jacked af for sure, but his content is an utter garbage. I admire his physique and realize how much work he has put in it, but every video of him is "get undressed and make everyone else look at how jacked i am". It's actually painful to watch because of how cringe it is.
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Agreed. That’s why I said I’m sure I can top guys like him in terms of quality content. However, I will admit that those Omegle videos he made were a genius concept. They look fun to make and rake in tons of views.
buttgoogler 6y ago
Yeah, omegle videos were a badass thing, eventhough 2 videos are still nothing compared to a whole channel of trash and cringe videos.
What about some sketches/funny videos? There's that black bodybuilder guy (sadly can't remember his name) and oh boy he's wild and hilarious. He does insane funny shit but he rarely uploads. Have you thought about that?
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Agreed. I think those Omegle vids can lead to pre-selection.
I’d consider some comedic stuff. My cinematographer friend is pretty into funny skits despite that not being his niche. I think the reason that the guy you mention is funny is because he’s a hulking black dude acting like a clown. I don’t think I could pull that off, and frankly I don’t want to end up like the old Vine stars - using over the top forced enthusiasm for a few views.
buttgoogler 6y ago
The best thing about comedy niche is that it's always be trending. Everybody has problems and different shit in their lives and one of the easy ways to forget about them is to watch some comedy/skits/pranks. You just gotta find what kind of comedy you're specifically into (and there are a lot of different genres), put effort and quality into it and you'll blow up.
Update: read this message once more and realised it's easier said than done, but i hope you'll get what i mean.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
So, we also know that the vast majority of men are soyboys/betas/nice guys or weak so that they are not able to obtain sex, yes?
So, since the number of "good men" is very low, this concludes that there are not many "good men" around for women, correct?
So, since the number of "good men" is very low, this concludes that there are not many "good men" around for women, correct?
Now the odd thing is how do girls obtain such high n counts if the data correlation is off due to the number of "good" or "worthy" men for them is very very low and dispersed, so chances of them finding one are actually quite slim
This leads me to conclude these possibilities for the majority of women
a) They settle for less (quite preposterous but who knows)
b) They very much enjoy sex, goes to point a)
c) They crave attention due to a lack of it, goes to point a) and somewhat b)
and dare I say, d) they actually have lower standards and are satisfied
d) goes against the 80/20 rule
So what could the high n count possibly be caused by?
RandyBumgardner85 6y ago
The true Alphas are banging different chicks every weekend. There are also plenty of dudes out there who are a bit simple. They're easily turned into beta's in relationships but while single they are fairly proficient at banging chicks because they never really bothered computing any of the blue pill crap that was being presented to them. They just follow their natural instincts. You won't see them here because simple guys place no value on collective wisdom.
Girls will also often experiment with dating betas after experiencing the pain of being pumped and dumped by Alpha's one too many times.
Psilotheos 6y ago
Another factor is that, these men may appear good at first... Get their taste of pussy and soon after, betafication occurs at any rate. These dudes get dropped and the cycle continues.
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
Don't worry about their high n counts, worry about your own N count
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Entropy-7 6y ago
While this study is getting old - the raw data is from 8 to 10 years ago - it is the most reliable that you are going to find. Only about 3%-7% of women had 4 or more partners in a given year, the median number of lifetime partners was about 4 overall, 7% of early 20s - rising to 13% for early 30s - women had total n-counts of 15+ while roughly half of early 20s girls had n-counts of 2 or less including one-in-eight who were virgins.
Meanwhile, about a quarter of 18-19 year old guys are virgins, as are 14% of 20-24 year olds. Combine that with 9% and 6% respectively for those who are not virgins but had not had sex in the previous 12 months and that is about 1-in-4 teenagers and 1-in-5 early 20s guys who could arguably be described as "incel". Compare that to 1-in-3 and 1-in-6 for girls, although the teenagers might be more "volcel".
Another way of playing with the data is to say that about half of 20-24 year old girls have n-counts between 2 and 14 with most of those (over 30% of all of them) being in the 3-6 range. If you think about it, that works out to a new guy every one or two years. Maybe that qualifies as a CC but it is not afuckalyptic n-count that is implied by a lot of the stuff you see on TRP.
The thing is, there is a relatively small number of guys and girls (roughly 10%) who seem to be fucking a lot and being promiscuous is conspicuous because we all see the party animals and party girls on campus or at bars but don't really pay attention to the other 90%, most of whom are not tragic incels or recluses.
It is sort of like plane crashes, or shark and terrorist attacks: they all seem more common because they stand out.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
Interesting study, no way for sure it can be trusted though a very good insight. Thank you. I wonder how it is now considering the study was conducted nearly a decade ago
Entropy-7 6y ago
There are problems with it given that it used computer assisted self-reporting. Still, even assuming that guys will over-report and girls will under report, the numbers tend to look similar enough that people aren't lying en masse by very much.
However, it was prepared by the CDC rather than some dating web site or magazine so it is probably more reliable than pretty much any other study.
The study itself is dated 2011 so it seems to have taken 3+ years to collect the data and crunch the numbers.
OKCupid was launched in 2004 but Tinder didn't really become a thing until 2013. The latter now has something like 50 million uses worldwide and likely has had some effect on the dating dynamic for those users, but it is hard to say how much that would show up in a rehash of the CDC study.
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Entropy-7 6y ago
"a national sample of 13,495 males and females in the household population of the United States."
It doesn't mention SES specifically but women with bachelor degrees or more (and you might use education level as a proxy for wealth or earning power) are about a quarter less likely to be in the 15+ n-count bracket and median of 4.8 rather than about 6.5.
Fulp_Piction 6y ago
The Pareto principle: they fuck a lot of the same guys.
Tonibullettooth 6y ago
I was a chad for alot of my 20's than got hit pretty hard by Medical issues and became a beta Bitch and got Destroyed by my bpd ex . Anyways alot of bitches that i fucked know at least One Ore more bitches personally that had me poke them before. The funniest was when a Girl told me about a Brunch she had with her Friends and that i had banged 4 out of 5 of Those girls. The One tellong me was the One i didnt Bang because before i was About to put it in here she started crying . Funny Stuff. She also asked me when we are going to Finish what we started 10 years ago
Entropy-7 6y ago
The flip side is that it is a lot of the same girls fucking those same guys.
bossplayaintraining 6y ago
If that’s the case then how do those guys find the time to fuck all those girls?
BluPillMaster-bater 6y ago
Dude, I had a time last year.. every night.. often a new partner. I ended up losing my fucking head, and sleeping through every weekend. I would say "fuck this" and for 2 weeks my life would be pretty sweet. My shit was in ORDER, with a lot of brazzers.
And then I would go out all of the time again. Wonder if this was worth it, and then recover.
Fulp_Piction 6y ago
No idea. There's 104 nights out in a year if you work full time. Seems like enough.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
Yes, but it is so dispersed I doubt that is a common factor
Fulp_Piction 6y ago
It's not going to hold true in all cases, it's a trend. No more no less. There is no equation to this shit, it's more an art than a science.
It's the same as AWALT - not all women will do exactly the same thing, but enough of them will hold a reasonable trend that if you assume AWALT you'll win long term. It's like playing good poker. Rollo has a post called NAWALT (I think) that will explain this better.
We can sit here debating this ad infinitum but you'll get far more out of just talking to any girl and getting a real feel for this. That's where the fun is.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
Ah I see, interesting perspective. Thank you. I am still wondering which of my conclusions is the correct one, but perhaps they are all correct
Fulp_Piction 6y ago
Don't wonder, just dive in. It's the only way to really internalise this shit.
My game was best when I applied the sidebar in my own way and my LTR went downhill when I spent too much time trying to make it more mathematic. My 2c.
Self-honest 6y ago
There are 26 million guys in the top 20% in the USA (326 million people - 65 million under 18 = 261 million ÷ 2 = 130 million × .20 = 26 million). If they fuck 300 times a year that's 7.8 billion times.
There are 104 million US women in the top 80%. I think a high n count could easily happen.
MusicSports 6y ago
I've never been able to set up a date through phone number. I have two numbers right now for girls I'm gonna ask out on Friday. Is it really as simple as hey...-3 texts banter-... lets get drinks tonight at x at x time. Because I've always gotten flakes even on girls that seemed really interested. And now I've seen that post from an endorsed saying his dad said to completely ignore girls to get them interested. Not to talk to them etc. I don't know why I keep getting flakes
Romanthehuman 6y ago
Todd V has a video on this. I highly recommend it. A lot of the text advice on this sub is comming from people who are horrible at texting themselves.
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The 100% foolproof way of not getting flakes is to take them out during your first opening interaction with them. If you got them time, treat every open like your trying to that day. If you can't take them out then and there, then setup a date right then and there.
Fulp_Piction 6y ago
Don't overthink it. She's not sitting there going "ugh this guy didn't text me 3.14 times in the last hour."
Work on your actual in person game. You're not going to have good game then spas out over text. Have some rules at the start (don't be needy, don't care too much basically) but take your stabilisers off and experiment. There's always another girl.
riverraider69 6y ago
The classic response to "too many flakes" is "you're not building enough attraction". Which is 1. how you present yourself initially, looks etc, and 2. good text banter. Yes it's possible - asking about how her day was during text is bad, but not all texts are bad. It's a matter of choice. Make texts less serious... instead of "let's get drinks" say "let's get drunk tonight at X at X time".
Also flakes happen. If you get to 50% it's decent.
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-Applesauce- 6y ago
Something you may have success with that I have is to actually call them and set up the date that way.
Much harder to reject someone over the phone than over text
Peter_B_Long 6y ago
THIS. Also, hearing a voice makes flaking less likely because you incorporate a voice with something that is real. If you have a smooth deep voice and can make her laugh and ask her out in a 3 minute phone call, you'll drastically reduce your flake chance.
I just called a girl on Monday and asked her to meet up on Saturday (our schedules don't match). She ended up calling me back that night cause she wanted to keep talking on the phone but I didn't answer and just texted her in the morning. Calling can be powerful if you're smooth and funny. No guy calls nowadays so it makes you stand out.
youcantdenythat 6y ago
Girls flake, keep trying. It doesn't hurt to get a date without a phone number. Go straight for a meet for drinks.
MusicSports 6y ago
I haven't been on a date ever. I've always gotten rejected for dates or flaked on. I could do it without phone but I'm usually on my way somewhere I can't just get drinks right there
youcantdenythat 6y ago
I mean, instead of getting a number, just invite her somewhere. Say I'm going to be at x, you should come.
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c_w_o_o_l_l_y 6y ago
Along the same line, always have a date already set up before you get her number. Less likely to flake if they agreed to it in person.
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
Give more info, body stats, etc. Maybe there's something wrong with you or with your game. Also "ever" means how many times did you try?
MusicSports 6y ago
I definitely could try more. I'm 5'5. I weigh about 155. Not sure my bodyfat% but it DEFINITELY could be lower because I can't see my abs(recently cut out eating anything between meals to avoid extra calories to see how it works out). I can post a body picture. Bench max about 225, squat 250x5, deadlift 315x5, ohp 135x1. I usually ask out a girl a week since my college campus was so small and word would get around fast for literally everything. Technically I've been on dates with 2 girls and my 2 n count is from them, but I never asked the girls. The first one was back from beta days so no explanation needed, and the second one I was just supposed to be a rebound fuck. But I had read Sex God Method so many times after finding TRP to make sure that my sex game was on point, so I wouldn't lose a chick there, that she ended up getting addicted to the sex, thus believeing she fell in love with me so she ended up trying to get me to take her out with her. Other than that just constant flakes without reschedules. I read on here someone had a challenge of asking out 5 girls a day so I really need to step it up
RandyBumgardner85 6y ago
"I'm 5'5"
Herein lies your problem. Women are heightist cunts. I've known guys who are 5'8 with highly aggressive game to slay a lot of pussy but really anything under 5'10 puts you at a serious disadvantage. I don't mean to shit on your parade but I see evidence of it all over Tinder.
Your lifts are good though. I'm 32, lifting 5 years (2 months off to travel each year) and same numbers except my bench is a bit lower. Just keep pumping those weights and you can negate the height disadvantage with muscle to an extent. If you watch RSD Max's old infield footage he just makes a joke out of his height and gets good results. He's probably 5'6.
MusicSports 6y ago
I mean I'd hate to use my height as an excuse for not getting pussy. In the end it's a numbers game that I'm not hitting enough numbers on. I made peace with my height or at least I think I have. It's better for some plays in soccer plus I have a big personality. Girls that don't want to fuck are literally missing out on some of the best sex they can have considering I understand that when girl's starfish they're basically saying use me. Plus my body isn't maxed out yet. I one day might have girls drooling over me the second I walk into a room based on my status. Who knows man. There's always gonna be a bigger fish so you might as well become the biggest fish you can become and realize that you make yourself happy with what you do to women. They rarely if ever do anything to genuinely make you happy. If I stayed unhappy because I wasn't getting girls because of heightism, I'd have killed myself years ago. Then TRP taught me that I could travel the world, see history appear before my eyes, and smoke hookah with bar owners twice my age after the bar closed and listen to them speak in Spanarabic about their jobs until 7am.
Seeing evidence of girls not fucking short guys on Tinder just means to me that I need a different approach. It's like trying to get to the moon with a skateboard.
crespo_modesto 6y ago
That sounds bad "your problem is your genetics" what you need to do is somehow grow 7 more inches.
darchetype 6y ago
How are you phrasing your message when asking them out? "Hey are you free to get drinks with me Friday?" or "Hey I'm gonna grab a drink at x at x time Friday, you should join me."
I guarantee they are less likely to flake with the second one.
MusicSports 6y ago
Always the second one except I've been saying come with me. Ill try the you should join me instead
darchetype 6y ago
Right on. Also you may have better success on weekday nights for a first date since girls typically have plans with friends/family/other dudes on the weekends.
MusicSports 6y ago
Okay. I was going to ask friday morning because she mentioned having to study for an exam or something at some point this week, but if I ask tomorrow and she can't then maybe reschedule for Friday instead.
Self-honest 6y ago
"I'll be at X bar later tonight. Meet me there at Y time for a drink."
MusicSports 6y ago
Do you always ask the same day you're going?
Self-honest 6y ago
I typically do. I'm not necessarily going anywhere that night. It's just a solid move. If she's busy but interested, she'll reschedule then think about me being at that bar without her that night. If she agrees to meet, then she won't have a bunch of days to hamster and flake, or find a better option, or try to text me too much etc. She will get more and more excited. Then peak around date time.
MusicSports 6y ago
Makes a ton of sense. Thank you for all of your help. I'll message them tomorrow afternoon then.
ImHerWonderland 6y ago
Doesn't have to be straight to the bar. When the new Blair witch movie came out I was going to go see it, told a girl that I was going. We went to the movie, had some touching and she had an excuse (scary movie), then went to my place because it was top late for her to drive.
You don't have to invite them out to the bar at the start, sometimes it's better not to.
Edit: re-read your comment. You don't need to completely ignore girls for them to be interested. Girls, for the most part, like guys that have their own thing going on. You're the captain. You shouldn't go out to the bar just to invite a girl, you should be going out to the bar to have fun and if a girl pops up invite her to come with you, but regardless you are having a good time with or without her. Girls don't want the responsibility of driving, they're just along for the ride.
MusicSports 6y ago
The girl I met said earlier this week said she likes going to bars and I do too as long as its with fun people. I don't like going alone because really I like conversation. I guess I could meet other people if she flakes.
Self-honest 6y ago
Movie dates are generally a bad call
FirstNamesMusic 6y ago
Alright guys, I have a potential plate got her number a few days ago.
Her smv is lower than mine (she's like a 6), so should be a pretty good time.
Should I pursue this, or will it bring down my smv accordingly.
Been aggressively acquiring potential plates since a little oneitis creeped up on me
Self-honest 6y ago
Having oneitis is going to bring down your SMV for sure so do what you gotta do. Just don't take her out in public.
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youcantdenythat 6y ago
Only you can answer that. It won't lower your objective smv. The only thing that matters is how you feel about it.
FirstNamesMusic 6y ago
You're right, will continue to interact with her and just play it by ear.
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Writs_For_Your_Tits 6y ago
Jesus, new account, first post, and this is what you come out of the gates with? If a mod happens to see this, please keep tabs on Arthur_Sch0penhauer's account. And if you think "No More Mr. Nice Guy" is so terrible, write a better one.
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marython 6y ago
Can you give examples of the fallacies present in the book?