I don't necessarily mean "to his benefit". I just have felt extremely cold towards the plates I've spun since swallowing the pill. Some I find adorable, fun, or even enjoyable outside the bedroom, but I've never felt in danger of feeling a spark beyond sexual attraction and curiosity.
In many ways, I hope it stays this way, but I've been wondering if the Red Pill protects us in a certain way by making us see beyond a woman's false facade to the shallow pool below, or if I've just been lucky so far.
acoti 10y ago
I have not been "in love" where I am mad with passion for the girl. But I have loved a girl and continue to do so to this very day. She had a heart that was pure. She had no problem asking you about an action you took that she didn't understand. She would not judge for the action, she would not presuppose regarding the action. She would ask you to explain so that we could be on the same frequency. She loved me back. She cared for me. She learned from being with me as I learned from being with her. She knew I loved her which made flirting with other girls in front of her ok because in the end she knew where my heart belonged. She had a realistic approach to relationships. Hollywood romance only entertained her, it did not influence her. She respected me and I respected her.
In the end, however, we were too different. Our upbringing and ideologies are far too different and beyond the non-serious phase of our relationship, we would have surely crashed and burned.
RedBigMan 10y ago
Love. There is no such thing. Only Oneitis.
Infatuation is the only thing that exists and it is what determines whether you find someone attractive or not.
High levels of infatuation eventually lead to Oneitis. Therefore, you must guard against this idea of 'love'.
The moment you lose your ability to pull the trigger to NEXT her, you've lost the game.
Exactly_what_I_think 10y ago
Don Draper describes love
Thought I was but it's all bull shit.
JimmyTheIntern 10y ago
I'm really tired of people using "love" as an emotion.
Love is a verb. It is something you DO as an expression of your positive affection for a person. It is not the feelings that prompt those actions. As long as you understand that love is a verb, not a gross pile of needy, codependent, possessive feelings, you see why it's not only possible but necessary for a Red Pill man to love the women in his life.
Note: Not "fall in" love. There's no action taken there. It's just code for succumbing to those weak, negative emotions.
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I dunno, my previous relationships in retrospect make me think the only thing I lost when I thought I was in 'love' were actually my ego illusions.
I dated a dime for like a year and when we broke up I was fucking devastated. For a couple YEARS after I thought it was because I loved her so much and she was purrrrrrrfect and shit but after TRP I realized it was more because I thought I would never get it again and her breaking up with me was a blow to my ego.
enticingasthatmaybe 10y ago
I have certainly been 'in love', but it was most assuredly under the false pretense that I was receiving the same type of love in return. A hint: I wasn't. There can be no doubt that she did in fact love me as much as a woman is capable of such, but hypergamy and unrealistic feminized ideals have a way of reducing one's world to ashes.
Women build contingencies innately, they're always looking for plan B. It's hardwired into their base instincts to always seek out the best and most efficient path to resources (obtaining said resources themselves never seems to dawn on them, though). Men don't really see the need for constant upgrades in their life. Once they have a working system, they move on to other problems. Sometimes we fail to maintain our working systems though, and they fall to ruin. Relationships are no different. In fact they are astronomically worse because women need constant reassuring that you're the best she can do, which unfortunately in our society is an almost impossible standard without resorting to classically immoral acts like cheating. (FYI, an affair by the man is probably the best medicine for a failing marriage. If preselection doesn't fix it, it's beyond repair.)
Men don't care about constantly maintaining our feelings. Women make it their primary day to day, hour to hour, minute to minute obsession. Both parties project their wants and desires and relationships ultimately fail. Relationships are supposed to fail - we aren't a [sexually] monogamous species.
So yes, I have been in classical romanticized love. Unsurprisingly it failed - romanticized love is unsustainable, it will always fail given enough time. Anecdotal responses of "my aunt and uncle have been married for 50 years and they are still in love" don't hold water. They aren't still in love. They have found a happy place where the companionship and comfort outweigh the desire to seek out other lovers.
I'm a man. I'm hardwired for polyamory. I can love multiple women and I now see no moral fault in doing so. My 'love' comes from caring about women in my life, but romanticized monogamous love? I see no reason to go down that road ever again.
slurmssmckenzie 10y ago
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redpillschool Admin 10y ago
Well said.
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well written
VZPurp 10y ago
Agreed. You put it well.
amaryllis9 10y ago
There are women who are actually interesting and have depth and intelligence.
Sexually they are perceptive and react similarly to other women, but of course this is only a biological imperative.
These are the women you have LTR with or a red-pill marriage.
FortunateBum 10y ago
"Love", as our society envisions it, does not exist.
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You will be unable to love women until you get over your anger that they are not female men.
Once you accept that women are and should be the way women naturally are, you will find that you can love women. The way that love feels is probably not the way you expected love to feel before you took the pill, though.
There are men who love their dogs, yes?
DaddyMonster 10y ago
Indeed.
Blue pill love is, if I remember correctly, along the lines of omg-she-is-so-great-and-pretty-and-sexy-and-I-neeeeeeed-her-for-some-reason-which-I-can't-quite-put-my-finger-on-or-vocalize... Hazy memory there, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Red Pill love is more along the lines of "Mmmm, this particular girl is not only cute, she adds value to my life too. Good girl..."
The difference in flavor is huge.
RP love isn't unconditional, but it isn't callous either. It's realistic.
My love for women is similar to how I love my cat. I appreciate my cat's company, and I reciprocate his affection, take care of him, feed him, and give belly scratches... I appreciate him for what he, as a cat, is able to add to my life, but I am not defined by my pet, and I don't need my pet, even though I'd be sad if he got hurt, got sick, or died. I also don't let my cat run my life, even though I sometimes have to make certain adjustments, such as finding a cat sitter when I go abroad on work trips.
LasherDeviance 10y ago
On a side note: Cats are the ultimate RP pets. They aren't clingy, self sufficient, and if you score/shore an ONS, you don't have to worry about rushing home to let the fucker out like you would with a dog, because a cat wont piss and shit on your rug, and eat up all of their food at once.
Butt-cheese 10y ago
Beautifully said.
This is very critical for men to understand. Women want this, to be considered an asset and to be valued this way - and if they lie to themselves about it, they aren't deserving of your time.
As a RP woman, I respect and appreciate this way my mate loves me. There's nothing desperate about it, he was fine before me and he would be okay without me, truth be told. I do all I can to bring as much goodness as I can to his household and his life, but he's made it clear that if we were to cease being together he would not be destroyed, and I think that's how it should be. How can you respect someone who can't live without a woman's "approval"? No woman likes a desperate man, and again, any woman who tells you otherwise is lying.
I want him to live as full a life as he possibly can, so I do all I can for him. He has so many qualities I admire and that I cherish; if I couldn't add anything to his life, he would deserve a better woman than I.
I know he loves me, and thus I think it's possible for a red pill, alpha man to love; my SO never puts up with bullshit, I trust him not to bullshit me about this.
But you're right. And I think some guys here are angry that women are the way that they are, that they aren't "female men" as it was put. A long term red pill relationship is contingent upon acceptance of both gender roles to work.
DaddyMonster 10y ago
I would rather say that most women want to "complete" their man and to be indispensable to him etc, and most women seem to act upon that want. However, they need to not be indispensable. If they get what they want, they will be oh so unhappy and unsatisfied, because they're not getting what they need.
It's kind of like someone who eats doughnuts, baklava and french fries every day for years and years and doesn't get fat, but who also acquires so high cholesterol levels that his blood becomes like tar. He needs healthy food. He may be aware on some level that, hey, something is wrong here, and he may feel particularly funky after a splurgy meal, but since he ain't fat it doesn't quite register consciously. He's just not feeling good.
In relationship terms, this is where a woman needs her man to be firm with her. The problem is, of course, that the man has to be savvy, and/or in possession of testicular fortitude and good instincts.
Anecdote from my own life:
An ex-girlfriend was being emotional and stuff, and said she needed me, and asked me if I felt the same about her.
I replied that, no, I didn't need her.
She looked spectacularly hurt. Her eyes started tearing up. She started yelling "How can you say that?!?! How can you be so cruel to me?!?!?!", but before she could get completely unhinged, I stopped her, and said:
"I don't need you, but I do want you."
Yah, I know, I'm such a fucking romantic. Makes a world of difference, doesn't it though?
Of course it does.
She was utterly speechless for several seconds and was snivelling. Then she started crying and laughing and pouting and several other emotional thingies at the same time, and began hugging and kissing me - She didn't quite know what to do with herself. She was particularly sweet on me after that.
See how easy it is to be the man in a relationship? Lol...
Hmmm. Thinking about it, that was a pretty hardcore push/pull.
TL;DR: DaddyMonster gave girlie what girlie needed, not what girlie wanted, and girlie was much happier for it.
Butt-cheese 10y ago
Thank you! It always fascinates me to learn more about our nature. :) An interest in knowledge is one of my biggest drives.
Your anecdote reminds me of something that happened between my SO and I (Sir) - I was being needy as well during a time where we almost decided to part ways, this was before I swallowed TRP. Sir said almost the same thing to me. And you know what? After thinking about what I wanted vs. needed, I realized this attitude was healthy and good - he doesn't need me, but he wants me. The idea brought me a lot of peace to that insecure voice inside, he is dependable because of clear cause and effect: I treat him well, he wants to be here. It makes sense and I can trust it.
This is a bit off topic with relation to the idea of alpha love from His perspective, but i think any women who has been through what your woman and what i have been through - intense insecurity about needs vs. wants - can relate and learn, and we can become women more deserving of love from it:
Without the knowledge of my nature and role as a woman (because of what modern society was telling me I should want) and not knowing my place in the relationship (which was because I was struggling, Sir had made it clear what he expected from me), I was just confused about how to be the best person I could be. I wanted to have the role of the breadwinner and leader but had a need to take care of the household for Sir, to clean and cook and believe in his dreams with him, etc. Now I'm far clearer on how I can bring value to him, and I carry those things out. It feels amazing to make my man happy and have a harmonious relationship. He expects me to do my share and I love doing it.
I think if a man has that, it's okay for him to love, and indeed healthy. But if he's not getting anything out of the relationship, love just doesn't exist in it and he should move on.
Isn't it interesting that TBP people seem to have far more issues in their relationships and love, as a whole? What I am doing is what is natural, I don't want to fight my nature any more. Everything became easier after that.
WorldOfTheRed 10y ago
I don't feel like any woman I've met adds to my life though. I feel used in any of my interactions. I mean I acknowledge that fact and go on, but the very nature of a relationship I feel used.
iKill_eu 10y ago
As someone who hasn't been RP for very long (<9 months) and spent most of those months applying RP more or less succesfully to a BP-based relationship, you're more or less right. BP love is when you transfer such importance to a woman that you do not feel complete without her. She doesn't become an addition to your life, she becomes part of it. That is why most BPs are desperate - they fear the loss because it means losing a large part of themselves temporarily.
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acoti 10y ago
Uh...pre-nup dude. It's the only way to travel.
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acoti 10y ago
No, they're not. You must be referring to the precedent that was set several months ago in Brooklyn, NY.
If you do a pre-nup the right way, you'll be ok. This pre-nup was thrown out because the guy promised the woman he'd rip up the pre-nup after they had kids and apparently he didn't do that. So no, they don't get regularly thrown out.
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acoti 10y ago
FTFY. But truly, you bring up a good point. Invalid pre-nups, like most invalid things, can be easily thrown out of court. But if you do it right and lawfully, you'll be ok. Besides, instead of just reasons for why a pre-nup could be invalid, past cases or precedents would be a far stronger argument.
Pushnikov 10y ago
Men are more capable of authentic sacrificial love than women.
Women only have that love towards their children (in best case scenarios. I'm sure you've heard some mom horror stories).
To men, that kind of love isn't actually exclusively towards women. You can have that towards your country, your friends, your family, etc. The combination of "love hormones" and mens instinctual genuine love is just a potent concoction that really convinces us that this woman is that "thing" for us.
It's a beautiful feeling, and that's what it is. It's a feeling.
True love, is an action. It's what you do, how you do it and why you do it. Never forget that over anything else when it comes to love. Loving is doing.
If you ever notice... women are the ones most often confused by love. Men, when they are in love, are rarely confused by it. They know what they want, they know what it means to do it, they do it at all costs, all sacrifices with no problems or concerns, or questions, or whining. They are there for it.
Women = "Love is so confusing!!"
Again, individuals will vary, but by and far this is the mode of operation.
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I think I was when I was a teenager. I still think about the feelings she gave me when I meet new girls who give me similar feelings.
Zackcid 10y ago
Having an abundance of women tends to do that to you. The only times I can recall "falling in love" with a girl or just having a crush on one was back when I lived in scarcity. "She looks cute, she's nice, I don't have anyone else...so let's just fall in love."
But I think it's still possible for RP men to fall in love. I think at an advanced level where you've for all your shit together, you can occasionally just let go and CHERISH the relationship. You can be a little bitch and bask in those fuzzy emotions. You're girl may or may not dislike you for that, but who cares -- you're still feeling those love emotions. Even some girls out there would probably be cool with having her man fall in love with her. I haven't found it yet, but I'm sure it exists.