I had this one sprung on me during intimacy by a girl I've been seeing. It would have pissed me off a bit less if I hadn't just finished giving her a second leg-shaking orgasm with my tongue. I wasn't sure how to respond so I withdrew affection and rolled over and went to sleep. (I had drank a few so getting up and driving home wasn't really an option). She spent the next two hours spooning and rubbing me trying to get some sort of forgiveness out of me so I rolled over, fucked her silly, and went back to sleep. I asked her why she didn't do blowjobs and she hamstered something about her being bad at them and her not really knowing me. She's been trying for the LTR lately and if it weren't for this I'd probably be receptive. She's a pretty cool girl. If I had to guess id say she's attempting to gain compartment out of me by denying me oral (which is kinda like trying to secure a job by slapping your interviewer but I digress). Any insights or advice would be appreciated.
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[deleted] 10y ago
Check her attitude/action and not what she says.
If she's anxious, "I'm bad at them" could be insecurity. To be dealt with as a comfort test. Talk her gently and reassuringly into it. It's not dirty, it's good for bonding, it puts her in control of your pleasure, etc..
If she's defiant, "I don't really know you" sounds like Anti-Slut Defense. To be dealt with as a shit-test. Tell her she's totally right and that since you don't know her either, it's probably better you don't have sex with her but that "maybe we can stay friends".
flatox 10y ago
"and i don't fuck on the first date.."
RichardPalma 10y ago
I can attest that women who have said this and then we are fucking later on also will draw a hard line on blowjobs. It seems a little crazy to me but at the same time it's hard to care.
HS-Thompson 10y ago
A lot of times especially with younger girls this can be inexperience and insecurity, not necessarily something she finds wrong with you. Offer to show her how it's done.
KyfhoMyoba 10y ago
Downvoted because this is most likely not the reason she is refusing to skull.
RedBigMan 10y ago
Offer to let her practice on you... you only get better at something with practice. Also OP should try this line...
"Good lets call it fellatio instead"
The_Floating_Dick 10y ago
Yeah, that's much better phrasing than
RedBigMan 10y ago
Hahaha oh god I didn't even realize that... unless you're some fucking Yoga master so you can suck your own dick you'd have to be sucking some other dude's dick.
Donald_Fuck 10y ago
"how about a rimjob"
Corndog_Enthusiast 10y ago
She might be an alpha widow; meaning you're just stepping into a bigger, better man's shoes. She'll always be wanting the man that left her and rocked her world, and nobody but a better man than him can take his place.
Don't take sloppy seconds when she denies you what she freely have to another man. She's obviously done it to another man, as she uses the excuse, "I'm not good at them".
This is your prescription to fix this condition: Withdraw from doting on her and comforting her; cut sexual contact, even if that means sleeping on the couch. Spend more time out of the house, preferably at the gym or out with friends. She'll eventually wonder why you're neglecting her, and either confront you or fuck you. If she fucks you, get her to suck your dick. Don't ask, just position yourself as if you were about to receive one. If she confronts you, turn it into a fuck sesh and do as mentioned above.
mordanus 10y ago
Ask yourself this question. If she got invited backstage by a famous rich musician do you think she'd tell him she didn't give blow jobs? She'd be on her knees in record time trying to prove to him how awesome she is. The problem here is that she isn't doing the same for you.
This is a lot less about insecurity and a hell of a lot more about her willingness to please and more importantly to prove herself. You have somehow shown to her that she is perfect as she is and that she doesn't have to try any harder.
You confirmed this by fucking her silly after she manipulated you into forgiving her. The backbone of all interactions is validation. If you give her validation after she denies you yours then you are showing her that she has more value than you. Withhold your validation longer next time and watch her become a lot more willing to please you.
MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
Every girl I have been intimate with or dated has not only sucked but also swallowed. I've encouraged the sucking, I've never pushed the swallowing. But they all do it, even the innocent ones. Even the one I didn't get to fuck.
Downgrade her a bit. Less commitment, less treats. It's not a dealbreaker surely as you're fucking her. You've licked her once - don't do it again. Don't pressure her, she'll hamster herself round when she knows she's gotta try to please you.
"Practice makes perfect" ;)
[deleted] 10y ago
"The no oral sex thing is sort of a dealbreaker for me, sorry."
alpha_n3rd 10y ago
My wife refused to give me head for years. Her excuses were that she wasn't good at it (true), that I didn't like it that much (true because see A), and some bullshit grudge she held for years because this one time I went down on her she had a blob of TP in her cootch and it grossed me out and apparently she was still pissed at me about it 5 years later.
Then one day in the middle of fucking I just pulled out and shoved my dick in her mouth.
Cue regular BJs from then on.
vvancruz 10y ago
I thought she was pretty good.
alpha_n3rd 10y ago
Yeah well 14 year olds don't know better and don't have much self control
vvancruz 10y ago
Are we talking about your wife or your brother? Regardless, how do I taste?
Lighten up, just a joke. Work on your redpill reaction to an amog's comments.
nonderivative 10y ago
Yup. Had a girl a few years back that wouldn't blow me. During foreplay once I told her I would fuck her tits. The moment I moved up she took my cock in her mouth and sucked vigorously.
I wasn't RP back then, but that's the moment I started to understand that doing > asking.
Bronze_Bound 10y ago
Lol'd
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Furrealyo 10y ago
Man, anal is so overrated once you can get it on the regular.
vvancruz 10y ago
True dat. Stink dick ain't all that after the 100th time.
dopefinder 10y ago
Tell her it's a deal breaker.
BrowDawg 10y ago
Your failing this shit test really hard. Simply say "practice makes perfect" and guide her through it.
rebuildingMyself 10y ago
I simply wouldn't go down on her anymore.
MaleGoddess 10y ago
Easy fix for that is to tell her to shut up and put it in her mouth.
I had this one girl over and I told her to suck it. She goes on to say she doesn't do that, and she doesn't even suck her boyfriend's dick. I looked at her with disbelief, said "shut up", and put my dick in her face. She started sucking it.
I don't know why girls think that sucking dick is demeaning to them or something. Because they're not getting anything out of it?
GRRMkills 10y ago
Remember a golden rule of TRP: Girls don't know what they want. They don't even know what they enjoy. That is why you, as the man, must lead interactions for them to be successful.
Case in point: The study where women rated their favorite types of porn and what turns them on, then were subjected to watching different varieties of porn while their arousal levels were measured. The straight ones said they would not be turned on by gay/lesbian porn. They did get turned on. Almost all women said they would not be turned on by bonobo sex. They did get turned on. Men also participated in this study, but there was an accurate correlation to what they expected to be turned on by and what they actually got turned on by.
The point is, you can for the most part completely disregard what women say about what they enjoy in bed. Do not even try to understand why she thinks that way. The only real way to tell what a girl likes is to do it and see how she responds. Hence why saying "Shut up and suck my dick" (a very demeaning thing to say) is successful, even though she just said she didn't want to because it's demeaning. A lot of girls will NEVER admit to you what turns them on. You have to watch for it. Does she orgasm more often while in doggy style? Well she probably likes that the most, even though she says her favorite position is missionary. Does she get really into the sex and start reciprocating more when you throw her roughly from position to position? Well then she enjoys being dominated, even though she says "I enjoy being in control over a guy."
Summary: Women lie all the time, even when they don't mean to. The only trustworthy thing is their actions, not their words.
MaleGoddess 10y ago
You know what else is crazy, one night stands and "just a fuck" girls will do things with you that they'd never do with their boyfriends. I'll make girls lick my butthole. I don't even like my butthole being licked, it's disgusting, but I just do it to see how far they'll go. I can't look at a girl after she's licked my butthole.
GRRMkills 10y ago
Well you explained this one to yourself.
Because if she did do those things with a potential or current LTR, they'd think things like...
Most guys are pretty obvious about not wanting to date sluts. In girls minds, they think the guy will think she's a slut for doing these kinds of things (she'd be right about licking an asshole without at least providing some decent resistance, but not so for blowjobs). The key is to genuinely convey openness and acceptance of sexuality.
Try this as an experiment with a girl who's acting a bit too innocent in hopes you'll LTR her: Convince her you're turned on by a sexually wild girl, and that you think women having sex with lots of different guys is not a turn off at all, in fact you think it gives her more experience and sexual proficiency. Watch the stories about past partners spew from their lips, just before those same lips are locked on your ass.
Summary: The motivation for a woman to withhold wild sex from current and future LTRs is driven by a selfish desire to be accepted by the man, regardless of her true self.
TitsAndWhiskey 10y ago
My ex is doing all sorts of demeaning and depraved things for me now ever since I broke up with her and started fucking other girls.
Go figure.
GRRMkills 10y ago
Yeah, she's either not seeing you as a candidate for LTR or she's trying to win you back through giving you all the wild sex you wanted while you were together (likely the second). Enjoy the sex, do not consider her LTR material ever again and if you start to get any feelings of oneitis, immediate hard next with no contact.
TitsAndWhiskey 10y ago
Definitely the second. Trust me, I'm not that stupid.
MaleGoddess 10y ago
Interesting take on it. Girls don't want their LTR to think of them as sluts, but when it comes to guys who just want to have sex with them, there is no line that can't be crossed.
GRRMkills 10y ago
Basically, well at least if they think that the guy doesn't want a slut, which is the case girls default to. If you make them truly believe you want a wild girl for an LTR, they'll be a slut for you too. Convincing her might be difficult though if you truly don't want a slut LTR, so it's a bit of a catch 22
fnordsnord 10y ago
I'd just slept. I woman who won't blow you isn't into you.
machimus 10y ago
Well that's the best possible answer. It's easy to get girls comfortable with things like that, with a little work.
-Luthe- 10y ago
Practice makes perfect
rpmanwithaquestion 10y ago
And this is a problem because...? So she doesn't blow random guys right away and it's a problem, if she does she's a slut because AWALT. Seriously just teach her and enjoy a mouth that hasn't had a dick in it every week. This is the opposite of a problem.
icynova 10y ago
Find a non-threat to talk to her about it, discuss fears and techniques, etc. if it's really important. Having a girlfriend or gay best friend encourage sluttyness in various forms has always worked for me.
Or if it's a plate and not too serious, embrace her for what she offers, and find another one who enjoys face fucking. There are plenty out there.
[deleted] 10y ago
Most girls are not good at it, and that's why they don't do it. You need to give them time, embrace the teeth jobs and wait for them to get better.
rattamahatta 10y ago
They are not good at it because they don't do it...
Merwebb 10y ago
Time with another bro that kindly teaches her? Like you would pay a blowjob school for her?
She could say "hey bby lemme practice" instead of "oh hell no"
NotQuiteRedPill 10y ago
Yeah. You are Jonah Hill at the beginner of The Sitter. LOL. Ok. He didn't get laid, but your story made me think of that.
You've just seen her selfishness in action. Decide if that's what you want or next her.