Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate forum.
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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BetteMale 2y ago
As a 6'0 man, I'd gladly date a 5'7 femboy, thats the perfect height for a feminine bottom partner.
Jewishbabyducks 2y ago
Women care ALOT about what other people think of them, particularly other women. The man they walk with across the street is like their best Pokémon card. If it’s not a great guy who’s worth flaunting then they don’t even bother with it
Okayokayokay9999 2y ago
Kek. I mean I prefer a woman who is shorter than me, but I wouldn't exclude a girl for being tall. Fat is no bueno.
jor4288 2y ago
Dating a man over 6’ is a status symbol. It has nothing to do with his attractiveness.
GhostofMonk83 2y ago
Im 6ft4 and cant see short women, i dislike bending over to hug them, kiss them and whisper stuff to them.
Even in heels they are too short. Just saying.
GhostofMonk83 2y ago
Id have to fetch them a box to stand on
Harry_Teak 2y ago
Preferences are all well and fine. I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to fuck or date someone they aren't attracted to for one reason or another. We like what we like and reject what we don't, it's that simple.
However, when it comes to the height issue, I have to ask the picky Cupcakes one important question: are you really that put off by short guys or are you worried about what others will think of you when promenading around with your under-six-foot fella?
binkerfluid 2y ago
im convinced that height has always been a factor but with dating apps and other girls putting "must be 6'" in them its become way more important than it ever was.
Before it was like a great thing of course a huge plus to them but now its like a minimum requirement.
Harry_Teak 2y ago
But if a fella puts anything that boils down to "no fat chicks" or "no single mothers," oh my. The trumpet will sound and the dogs of war will be loosed.
etherith 2y ago
With how the world is today, i would say 30% preference and 70% what others will think of them thanks to social media.
Harry_Teak 2y ago
Truth be known, it's probably in the range of the 80/20 Pareto principle. Social media just made optics even more important than they used to be. "He's cute, funny, and sexy, but will he look good in my selfies?" is a valid question in this increasingly vapid age.
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PAIN
mustangfrank 2y ago
I had been divorced for about 2 years after being married for 10. I was a member of President’s and First Lady’s Health Club, and I decided to get back into shape. I worked out on certain days and times. Over the months, I recognized people who were on the same work-out schedule as me. I noticed one girl who was working out on the same days and times I was. She was in her late 20’s, about 5 foot 9 or 10”. She was in great shape and pretty.
One day she was working out at a machine about 30 feet from me. There was no one around, so we could talk in private. I thought to myself, “Nothing ventured, nothing gained”, so walked over to her to ask her out. I said these exact words,“ I have seen you work out over the last few months, and you are in great shape and very attractive, and I was wondering if you care to go out sometime?” This is what she said to me in an angry voice. “I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU CAME OVER HERE!” “I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT!”. She then stuck her index finger in my face and said,”I DON’T DATE SHORTER MEN. I was in a state of shock. I stopped listening to her, for I was trying to figure out how to save the conversion, and what I had said to make her so angry. It was because I did not meet her height requirements. I also realized I didn’t deserve this BS, so I walked away with her continuing to squack.
A simple and civil “No thank you” would have been sufficient, but she felt compelled to demean me, because I was not worthy to approach her. That a shorter man, (lower value in her mind), would even think he had a right to approach her much less a chance to date her, was something that had to be addressed right then and there. There was no way she was going to allow this transgression to pass; therefore, I had to be put in my place.
She thought her status was above me, much like a slave holder looked down upon a slave or a nobleman looked down upon a peasant. To a heightist, they are better simply because they are taller, and those who are of less stature are valued less as human beings. It is as plain and as simple as that. I was not a tall man, so I was not valued. I was from a lower class of men, thus no respect was given because I had no status. Furthermore, what is even more troubling about her is her response time. She didn’t take any time to think. It was instantaneous, like a reflex, an action without a thought. Which begs the question, in what society would it be acceptable for a woman to not only reject a man, but also insult him for attempting to ask her out? Where is her introspect? Where is the self-examination of her behavior? In her mind, none was needed. Unfortunately this is how most women think. The above actions are not just of heightist women but of women in general. And this can be proved by visiting any on-line dating site where women shamelessly state in no uncertain terms the height of men they will date.
binkerfluid 2y ago
Dude she was working out you had no business talking to her, how dare you...unless you were a tall chad when swoon
they have all these rules to weed out guys like us and or get angry but make exceptions for others.
Cant do it at work, cant do it if they are working, cant do it at the gym, cant do it at a club even (im here to dance and have fun not here for you! There is even a song about it).
Where are we supposed to meet women? ON apps? Where they put in their profile "if under six feet swipe left" they just dont want us to talk to them ever.
(and yes im aware there are guys who are harassing and assholes too but still)
mustangfrank 2y ago
A member here at WAATGM nailed it. He said she thought she was prime grade A quality to get a Chad. When I approached her, she was angry I was not a Chad. And this made her aware she was not going to get a Chad. Thus, why I got attacked.
psnanda 2y ago
Bingo!
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mustangfrank 2y ago
That would have gotten me arrested. She would have reported it to the club and the police.
I just walked away. There was nothing I could do. Some girls are just scum.
Harry_Teak 2y ago
I can certainly understand how that shit would be hard to walk off. She was being a quantum bitch, probably for no more reason than the dopamine hit she got from her righteous fury.
However, she's surely not the only woman you've approached in your life. Do you get such an overly horrid response when approaching others?
mustangfrank 2y ago
I approached 4 other women in the club, and dated 2.
One man hit the nail of the head as to why she was so angry at me. She thought she was sooooo hot that she could get any man she wanted, then I ask her out. She blew up because I was not a Chad. Me approaching her confirmed that fact to her. Hey but some poor sap will marry that harpy. And it will not be me. And that guy will be sorry for all the time he is with her.
binkerfluid 2y ago
"I must be ugly if he thinks he can get with me, id better be really mean so everyone else sees that im better than this!"
even being approached by the wrong man was such a hit to the ego of her she had to react that way to save face. Sad.
mustangfrank 2y ago
Correct
Harry_Teak 2y ago
Discounting the bent harpy's reaction, that's a 50% success ratio in an environment with a higher difficulty setting than many. I'd say you did pretty well. Don't let the nut haunt you man, you're doing OK.
You didn't say how long ago this was, but odds are you'll see the twatburger here someday. An attitude like that leads to loneliness in the long run. But probably not before she holds her shit together just long enough to rope some poor bastard into marriage with her looks. He'll flee, she'll be here.
binkerfluid 2y ago
sadly it could be just world fallacy. Often times shitty people still have good things happen for them. but you never know
Harry_Teak 2y ago
True, but if she's as off the wall as /u/mustangfrank characterized her, she's an excellent candidate for boxed wine and bitterness. But yeah, she'll probably lock some poor sod into a trophy wife situation and do her bitching while enjoying a pleasant lifestyle.
Blazed-Doughnut 2y ago
I'm ready to be down voted, I'm one of these picky cupcakes to an extent, I'm 5'8" barefoot (6'2" in certain shoes), I have dated men my height and shorter, but personally I prefer taller guys. Simply for the fact I have always been made to feel unfeminine, or butch because of my height, so being with someone who makes me feel "petite" is comforting to me.
EDIT: At no point have I said that short guys are undateable, you're seeing it that way, because you're so used to it being that way. I have literally said I have dated guys both my height and shorter.
Unless you have never rejected someone in your life for something they can't change (whatever that may be) you're just being a hypocrite.
mustangfrank 2y ago
I will up vote you because we value female input. But you are foolish to base your decision making based upon the inseam of a man. How would you like to be judge on breast size or ass size?
BeholdTheHair 2y ago
Hell, women being attracted to tall (relative to their own height) men is less a preference and more a fact of our evolution. Height and broad shoulders in men strongly correlate with health and "good" genes. Feeling butch and unfeminine with shorter guys and "petite" with taller guys is just your prefrontal cortex trying to come up with post-hoc rationalizations for what's hard-coded into your brain.
It works the same way with men being attracted to relatively slim young women with clear skin, long legs and wide hips, all of which strongly correlate with health and fertility - again, "good" genes.
That said, you're definitely on the tall end o' the scale for a woman, which makes your situation somewhat exceptional and, consequently, more difficult to navigate. Which is unfortunate for you, but your genes don't care. You still "want" what you "want" based on how your ancestors built you, same as the rest of us.
Edit: I accidentally a word.
Jake-Orion 2y ago
I am not knocking your preferences, as all of us have our own preferences as well.
But you are missing a much larger picture.
It is a fact that only 15% of men in the US is 6+. If we just go by that preference that most women want a 6+ guy, that eliminates the other 85% of the male population right off the bat. This means that 15% have their choice of nearly 100% of the women.
So I ask, if these men can lay so many women, what gives you the impression they will settle with you when they do not not have to settle at all since women are giving it away so freely for them, just because of their height status?
But here comes the rub. Once women figure out they cannot have their 6+ man (since he has a plethora of options), they are left with only "settling" for a shorter man. In essence, -6 guys are fallback "options" to pick up the pieces of what is left of women (they have kids, pair bonding is shot, etc.)
You should know exactly how it would feel since 6+ guys used you for his self gratification, all while ignoring your feelings. Then women turn around and do the same for a man who didn't live up to their initial expectations, and have him accept the baggage (kids, mental health, etc) that they carry with them.
Short men were never the prize to begin with, and that is why they are so salty about the height preference.
binkerfluid 2y ago
yep and they could possibly be resentful because they couldnt get what they really wanted or because you dont measure up to their internal expectations.
variedpageants 2y ago
You misunderstand. We are not criticizing women for being picky. We're criticizing women for being picky ...and then whining that "there are no good men."
Look, I happen to like tall, thin blondes with giant tits. I'm sure that preference doesn't offend you. But if you caught me standing in a crowd of brunettes who were eager to date me, and all I did was whine, "there are no good women!" then you would be right to criticize me.
binkerfluid 2y ago
Yep and if I didnt get a girl that was that ideal I would still love the woman I was with and be attracted to her as well.
binkerfluid 2y ago
Just curious whats the shortest guy you dated?
Also Im amazed you could walk in 6" platforms
Blazed-Doughnut 2y ago
Probably 5'6... I'm not exactly having to fight them off, you know?
sleepyweaselisawake Plowing his way through muck while misquoting Office Space 2y ago
So, basically, a tall guy is an accessory you use to salve your self-esteem. Makes sense.
mustangfrank 2y ago
sleepyweaselisawake Plowing his way through muck while misquoting Office Space 2y ago
Yes.. I know this. You know this. The woman in this thread continues to deny this fact despite being one who perpetuates the stereotype.
Blazed-Doughnut 2y ago
Did you miss the part where I said I've dated dudes my height and shorter?
sleepyweaselisawake Plowing his way through muck while misquoting Office Space 2y ago
You're one of those picky cupcakes (your words) who dates men as an accessory because of peer pressure.
Blazed-Doughnut 2y ago
I'm a picky cupcake in every aspect when it comes to who I date? Feel like more people should be. If a guy happens to be tall it's a bonus, but I'm not going to give a shit how tall they are if they have the personality of a moist slice of bread. Also. Feel like I'd need to have peers in order to feel pressure from them...
sleepyweaselisawake Plowing his way through muck while misquoting Office Space 2y ago
"Also. Feel like I'd need to have peers in order to feel pressure from them..."
"Simply for the fact I have always been made to feel unfeminine, or butch because of my height, so being with someone who makes me feel "petite" is comforting to me."
Sounds like peer pressure to me.
butt_uglee 2y ago
I have no problem with women excluding me because of my height — as long as they own the consequences of that choice and then don’t turn around and complain that “there are no good men”
I’m only 5’9” ... want a 6’ guy — go for it. An old girlfriend married that guy; he’s in law enforcement. They have 2 kids. They had to borrow money from her parents for a house down payment.
I make a bit over 400,000$/yr and bought my parents a house in addition to my own (no mortgages)
If you want 6’ plus, you might not get some other “feature” you want to go with it. Maybe he will be bald, maybe he won’t make a lot of $$$, maybe he will be overweight. You rarely can find a person that gives you everything you want. If height is the most important thing for you, before character, earning potential, physiques or family background.... cool.
It wouldn’t be my hill to “die” on if I was a woman. There are a lot of much more important characteristics that a man can have that will make a marriage successful...
LastFlow 2y ago
holy shi, good for you. (clap)
binkerfluid 2y ago
Youve got to admit that if you are buying two houses cash you are an outlier as far as most people go though. Most short guys wont make nearly as much as that, and in general taller guys tend to make higher salaries.
butt_uglee 2y ago
My income puts me in the top 2% of US households.
I am an outlier.
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Do tall men make more money on average — yes.
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Here’s the rub. There are more “short” rich men... here’s why.
There are more average or short height men than tall men.
85% of all men are under six feet.
Let’s say 30% of tall men make 100,000$/yr
Let’s say 10% of short men make 100,000$/yr
15% * 30 % = 4.5% (tall rich)
85%* 10% = 8.5% (short rich)
So even if tall men are 3 times as likely to be rich, there will be twice as many short rich guys.
The earnings discrepancy isn’t 3 to 1
Most rich guys are “short”, because most GUYS are “short”
Mundane_Worldliness7 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
You still appear to be dwelling on it though, if a woman is into tall guys, what of it?
butt_uglee 2y ago
I don’t give a shit. Like I said, there’s no “hidden meaning” in what I said. I really think most of them are morons.
Mundane_Worldliness7 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
What’s moronic about it? That they’ve different values that cause them to rate different characteristics differently ( money v. Height etc)?
butt_uglee 2y ago
Fat, old, ugly, 3 kids in tow, earning 30K — But she only dates 6’ or taller
Most of them are demanding caviar and champagne on a beer and pizza budget...... stupid
Blazed-Doughnut 2y ago
The fact that you're pointing out how much you make or the fact that you think I care about if they are overweight or are bald feels like it's you projecting.
Point out where I said they have to he 6'+? I said i prefer it, not they I exclude everyone who doesn't meet that. But read it how you went to.
butt_uglee 2y ago
The words I wrote mean exactly what they say.
If I was unclear — let me try again.
I don’t care if you or any other woman excludes me due to my height.
I’m not projecting anything. There’s no “hidden meaning” to interpret.
I’d rather have someone that wants to be with me rather than someone that will “settle” for a short guy.... because she “prefers” tall men.
I don’t want to be anyone’s consolation prize, or “I guess he will do”.
I actually would have liked more women to state their preference up front on this matter so I didn’t waste my time back when I was in the dating pool. (In a LTR and don’t date anymore)
butt_uglee 2y ago
The words I wrote mean exactly what they say.
If I was unclear — let me try again.
I don’t care if you or any other woman excludes me due to my height.
I’m not projecting anything. There’s no “hidden meaning” to interpret.
I’d rather have someone that wants to be with me rather than someone that will “settle” for a short guy.... because she “prefers” tall men.
I don’t want to be anyone’s consolation prize, or “I guess he will do”.
I actually would have liked more women to state their preference up front on this matter so I didn’t waste my time back when I was in the dating pool. (In a LTR and don’t date anymore)
mustangfrank 2y ago
How long do you think a man's ad place at an OLD would last if he said, "I don't date flat chested women or women with flabby thighs? I want to feel Masculine next to woman, not Masculine next to woman with a body of a young boy. I can't help it, I am attracted to what I want.
Blazed-Doughnut 2y ago
You really think there aren't guys who have that in their profile? I have seen countless "I have a thing for red heads/have to be curvy/I'm an ass man/got a thing for freckles/have to be athletic". Are you looking at the profiles of men on dating sites? Just because you don't see these profiles doesn't mean they don't exist.
mustangfrank 2y ago
There is a difference between using height vs your parameters. I just don't know how to put it into words. BTW your height married 22 years and 4 sons.
Mundane_Worldliness7 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I agree with your interpretation and find no fault with your prior statements. I’m not short but I’m black. There is a mass of empirical data which shows that black guys are among the least preferred people on OLD ( though I think Black Women and Asian guys rank lower), I’ve long ago stopped caring about the preferences of others and I’ve too much pride to try and convince some chick who doesn’t like black dudes to give me a shot. The most productive use of my time is to deal with those who’ll have me, also, I feel my fellow man are entitled to preferences just as I am. There are certain immutable characteristics in women I don’t like.
Blazed-Doughnut 2y ago
Thank you for being one of few who don't want to burn me at the stake. I'm half black so, yeah, I get that. It literally comes down to the fact that no one is entitled to anything.
That seems to be what no one else is getting. I can guarantee most, if not all of the hate I'm getting is coming from dudes who would be repulsed by and reject me anyway so...
Mundane_Worldliness7 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Your right to exclude short guys = my right to exclude extremely skinny women or dog obsessed women, it’s an aspect of freedom. I feel I have some credibility in saying this because I’m not some tall white dude ( the most advantaged group on OLD) saying this.
Harry_Teak 2y ago
You got my upvote simply for being honest about what you're attracted to. Your preferences are your preferences. There's a huge difference in going for what you like and being worried about the optics of your relationship.
Blazed-Doughnut 2y ago
Thank you. Everyone seems to be reading it as "he has to be this tall" when that isn't stated in any way. At all.
No where have I said I won't date a dude below such and such a height.
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mustangfrank 2y ago
How do you know this?
Harry_Teak 2y ago
Life experience, primarily. It's not exactly a novel concept. It's an observable phenomenon, especially in workplaces and barrooms pretty much anywhere.
buddy8665 2y ago
I'm a manlet (5'7 bigtime weightlifter
Harry_Teak 2y ago
I didn't mean to imply that all short guys had a short fuse. In fact I've known a number of them that didn't really let it affect them much. Of course this was back in the day when most people instinctively boxed inside their weight class romantically.
buddy8665 2y ago
No worries bro, no offense taken
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copehoperope 2y ago
Ah yes, they are getting rejected cause they are bitter. It couldn’t possibly be that they are bitter cause they are getting rejected.
‘Confidence’ comes from positive reinforcement.
If you failed every maths test, are you going to be ‘confident’ that you’ll pass the next one?
Even if you somehow have the confidence, people will just ask themselves where is this confidence coming from cause they know you haven’t got anything to base it on.
BeholdTheHair 2y ago
Confidence is sexy, and there's a lot for which it can cover, but as a woman you simply don't, perhaps even can't understand how significant a role height plays in sexual selection for men.
You said it yourself: when you're with a man who's not sufficiently taller than you you feel butch and unfeminine. Not because of anything he's done wrong, but because it's hardwired into your genes to seek out tall men, to the point there's very little in the way of negatives most women won't willfully overlook, at least in the short term, in favor of a tall man's height.
I know. I've seen it countless times.
I'm the only male in my immediate family under 6' tall. My entire life I've watched women of all sorts, from all walks of life, say one thing and do another. Espouse the value of this or that character trait, talk about how much they like this or that behavior a man exhibits. Then, almost without fail, immediately drop every pretense of virtue the instant one of my brothers walks into the room, towering over everyone. I swear I can almost literally hear the sploosh in their panties when it happens.
Don't misunderstand, I'm not blaming you for this, and I'm not bitter about it (anymore, at any rate). As I said above, it's not something over which you have any conscious control, anymore than the rest of us do. You "want" a tall man because that's what your genetics tell you to want. Which sucks for those of us who aren't tall men, but nature and evolution are unfeeling bastards that way.
Fortunately, there are other, shorter women out there with whom we might stand a chance, provided we've put in the work to up our game and build extra value to compensate for having drawn that particular genetic short straw.
Harry_Teak 2y ago
One's exterior and how others react to it figure strongly in determining how one's interior is shaped. Short men and tall women are two sides of the same coin. They're not living up (or down) to general expectations. However, being a tall woman simply isn't the massive liability that being a short man is.
I get what you're saying about confidence being sexy. It's true. However, confidence in a small man is most often perceived as undeserved cockiness, ego, or overcompensation. No matter how caring, successful, or confident a short man is, at the end of the day he's still short and that alone puts most vaginas into Sahara mode.
It sucks. It's not fair. But life ain't fair, especially when it comes to sexual selection. Much of us was encoded in our genes before we even came out of the trees and there's not a lot we're going to do about it.
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Blazed-Doughnut 2y ago
Bold assumption that I haven't spent my whole life getting rejected/ignored? I just realize that I'm not owed anything by anyone.
Also, saying anyone should kill themselves isn't cool dude...
mustangfrank 2y ago
Tell me about it. I am 5'8".
DrDog09 2y ago
Here is something women need to think about -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEQI9x4ecCw -- One of the tallest women in Russia @ 6'8". At her height her chances of meeting a taller guy just won't happen. So mentally she has to strike that metric off her list or stay single forever. If she can why can't other women??
What does she ask? Have some game guys. Game is a skill not a birthright, learn it.
realmtraveller 2y ago
She might have to stay single then or get a more unattractive man over 6 foot.
Devilsgun 2y ago
While you're down there...
Hold this football, Lucy.
(Walk off, leaving idiot hoe holding dirty ass football)
Plate_Kollector 2y ago
Whenever they say this I just reply with “And I don’t date girls under (their height)”
Guapscotch 2y ago
If she’s tall, like above 5”8 I would understand why she would want a taller man, I get it. But if she’s out here like 4”11 looking for 6”3, like why lol.
atmus11 2y ago
To feel like a child holding a dad's hand, remember the generation of women got daddy issues
External-Can-7839 2y ago
Height difference doesn’t matter. It’s so she can use them to make her girlfriends jealous of her.
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RedDeAngelo 2y ago
and here I am 5'9 (I look 5'10 cos of good posture), I like tall women, and I approach girls from 5'6-5'10, and I have yet to be turned down overtly for my height. And some of these are the same girls who would say they are looking for 6foot guy.
If you're masculine and muscular, height requirements go out of the window. Probably another reason why I slay irl, but I suck on online, because then being 6 ft really does make or break.
Blazed-Doughnut 2y ago
Nah, my previous comment tells me I'm still the same as the short women who like tall men...
Guapscotch 2y ago
Hmm? I don’t understand what you mean
SalohcinPancakes 2y ago
i think that girl is like 4'7"
NeoCzar 2y ago
I’m 5’11”. Only dated (and eventually married) chicks over 5’10. When we’re out and my date is in heels I’m ecstatic, because when they see a tall blonde with a shorter guy there are only two assumptions that can be safely made, either he’s rich, or he’s hung like a dinosaur, or both, and I’m fine with that. Plus, it’s more gratifying to manhandle a taller woman. Never understood guys who went for midget chicks.
GhostofMonk83 2y ago
Im 6ft4 and I wont date, I dont smash i stay the hell away
donotvotemedown 2y ago
proceeds to create a little man who can only grow to be 5’6 since she is only 5ft
mustangfrank 2y ago
married 22 years, 4 sons, 6'3", 6'1/2", 5'9" and a 13 year old at 5'9". I am 5'8" and wife 5'7".
donotvotemedown 2y ago
What do you feed them?
mustangfrank 2y ago
A lot of food. The 13 year old is starting to eat all the time. I suspect he will be 6' in 3 years.
NickKnowlesSwag 2y ago
I don’t want to date an ugly bitch, what’s the deal with women wanting a tall partner?
Just stop coping. Being short is the short straw of life
Elistheman 2y ago
We pack muscle faster though…
butt_uglee 2y ago
I don’t mind them passing on me for height.
Helps me weed out the idiots.
Yeah — I like a beautiful woman — but that’s not the ONLY criteria. I’ll give on beauty a bit to get other desired characteristics.
Similarly, a intelligent woman would typically be willing to give a little on height, to get other desirable qualities.
Women that give an inflexible absolute... and pass on guys that are 90% of what they want..... morons
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butt_uglee 2y ago
Look — 15% of the population is 6’ or taller
By your own admission a “large proportion” of women have height as a deal breaker and “aren’t interested in me”
Cool - good for them .. don’t date me if you aren’t attracted to me.
A large percentage— to me that phrase means over 50%.
If I’m a rational thinker — and I know I’m trying to get something that 50% or more of the population wants and only 15% will get.... I know that I have to be at the top of my game.
Since most women aren’t in this category (top of the game) and STILL want a tall dude..... they are by definition illogical
I find illogical people idiots.
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This would be the equivalent of “a large proportion” of men wanting nothing less than a supermodel.
That’s stupidity
Ivan_The_Reddish 2y ago
Nah, wanting a supermodel and the superior genetics that come with it is perfectly natural.
Thinking you'll get a supermodel with a 50" waist and working part time at Wendy's is delusional, and closer to what most of these women dabble in.
butt_uglee 2y ago
My point exactly -
If Kate Upton wants a 6’ man... she can
If Lizzo wants one.....
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butt_uglee 2y ago
“Nearly 12% Of The People All Around The World Are Over 6 Feet Tall. For countries like the USA and Canada the percentage of people that are over 6 feet is nearly 15%”
butt_uglee 2y ago
https://colonelheight.com/percentage-of-world-population-over-6-feet-tall/#:~:text=Nearly%2012%25%20Of%20The%20People%20All%20Around%20The,considered%20the%20borderline%20area%20between%20short%20and%20tall.
butt_uglee 2y ago
https://dqydj.com/height-percentile-calculator-for-men-and-women/
butt_uglee 2y ago
I doubt the mods will like the homophobia either...
vtec__ 2y ago
exactly.
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I don't know why some dudes get offended by a woman saying that. The correct response is: "that's cool, I don't date chicks over 150lbs."
Or my personal favorite.... A chic is asked if size mattress....just butt into the conversation with: "size sure does matter!!! Size of her waistline and the size of her bra.....that's crucial!!!"
variedpageants 2y ago
Will you consider a bit of advice from a man who is probably twice your age and therefore has learned a few things about happiness in life?
Any effort you expend trying to insult someone who has insulted you, is wasted. It's just a total waste of your time. If a girl rejects you by way of insult, no insult you throw back at her is going to make you feel better. More likely, you're going to be replaying it in your head years from now and cringing.
I could tell you to just let it roll off your back, but I'm well aware it's not that easy. So here's how you learn to let it roll off: keep her talking. Pretend you didn't even notice the insult, and see if you can have a friendly (or even neutral) conversation with her. Because here's the thing, the kind of person who rejects you with an insult is going to end up being an awful person in other areas. You may still want to fuck her, but if you talk to her, you wont like her as a person. And that will take all the fire out of the insult.
And after you've done that a few times, you can even skip the conversation part.
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Thank you for the advice. I will not take that approach as I get personal satisfaction watching a chick realize she's been outdone. They TRY to play it off, but one can easily tell that they've been impaled by a metaphorical dagger.
I DO NOT want to "know" them intimately.....I'd rather destroy their ego, then make fun of the idiot white knight(s) that try to "protect"/defend what's left of their honor.
Just yesterday, I went out shopping for goofy stuff (carpet cleaner, ground pepper.... silly sh
variedpageants 2y ago
Why do you think that's the case? I mean, I'm not doubting that you enjoy the feeling. But if you take a moment to be introspective about it, why do you get the feeling?
Would you get the same feeling seeing an elderly person being told to fuck off? If not, why not?
givemethatrandom 2y ago
Everyone has their preferences
Joaquino7997 2y ago
Wait until she becomes a single mother. Then this bullshit notion will magically disappear!
8LinesOfWockMGP 2y ago
"Aiden is my world!" Lol
Aronacus 2y ago
That's where you tell her, if I stand on my bank statement I'm 6 feet tall.
Another good one is 'What's your weight?' Then watch the rage
Ivan_The_Reddish 2y ago
I like the term "financially six feet tall" to describe rich men who are under six feet.
FCHWVTT 2y ago
This is strangely true I’m 6’3& have had girls 5’1 get super close & bump into me for no reason just to compare size borderline harassing, I hate short & stupid women
Ftpiercecracker1 2y ago
How exactly are men supposed to handle/adjust to this? We can't do anything about it and a 6ft cut off excludes 90fucking% of men. Source, circa 2015: https://dqydj.com/height-percentile-calculator-for-men-and-women/
Are sub 6' men really just expected to be celibate their entire lives and simply die off? When did this obsession with height begin? When the sexes can become so preoccupied with such trivial traits and for such vapid reasons as bragging rights, it really makes me think we have it waaaay to easy in the west. We have to concoct things to make our life appear more difficult.
People can have their preferences, but this obsession with height is more than just an individual preference. It's a social illness. An epidemic spread by who knows what. But, honestly, what can be done? There is no cure.
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Ftpiercecracker1 2y ago
It's not about never getting a relationship. Of course short men can and do find partners, but it is an exponetially more monumental task the shorter the man is.
I would love to be able to take a poll and graph the correlation between number of relationships/sexual encounters and height.
I would bet all the money in my pocket (.62c) that the number of sexual partners drops precipitously as the male's height dips below 6'.
The other problem is the emphasis placed on the literal 6ft measurement. Its not enough for the man to simply be taller than the woman, he has to be 6' or above as the thumbnail depicts even though she is only 5'2". That kind of requirement is the epitome of childishness. Like a child that only eats the giraffes out of the animal cracker box.
If he is taller than you that should satisfy your height requirements. Placing a specific number on it is absurd yet the vast vast majority of women do just that.
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Ftpiercecracker1 2y ago
Correct, I have no say over other people's preferences, but I am entitled to my opinion of their preferences. It is my opinion that a woman who would turn down a man who is not only taller than her, but also fulfills all her other desires souly/solely? on the grounds that he is not specifically 6ft or above is not a woman at all, but a child. Utterly undeserving of even half of such a man.
I am of the exact same opinion when it comes to men and their preferences too. Find a really great girl who meets all your needs/wants, but dump her because her elbows are to pointy or maybe she is to tall/short? Fuck you, you complete waste of a man.
Having preferences is 100% ok. But, when taken to the extreme and followed as religiously as women do when it comes to men's height they inevitably will miss out on otherwise excellent partners by chasing after some arbitrary metric that only a very small minority of people possess.
This is all just wasted breathe honestly. The obsession with height will continue into the foreseeable future. It's just important for men to remember not to get angry about it. Just accept it the way it is and do the best with what you have.
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Ftpiercecracker1 2y ago
As I said before, short(er) men can and do get dates/find partners. So just by that statement alone not ALL women demand a man be 6ft or above, but the vast vast majority do.
There are countless interviews of women young and old on YouTube. Some informal on the street/college campus some a formal podcast. When asked about height the vast vast majority of women say 6ft or above. Not "he has to be taller than me", which I can understand, but specifically 6ft.
Ask any man that has spent any length of time on dating apps about how many women have height requirements in their profiles and you will see.
As far as saying a woman is lying about her preferences, I don't really care about that. I dont have the time, energy or interest in playing games like that.
This sub serves simply as a place where men commiserate with each other about the difficulties and general lack of quality that is the modern dating environment. Admittedly this sub is not the healthiest of outlets for male frustration, but it's what we got and it's a hell of a lot better than those toxic genuine female hating incel subs.
I do not hate women. I'm just disappointed in their utter lack of maturity and saddened that the world and men have not only allowed but encouraged said immaturity.
mustangfrank 2y ago
I have posted this before, but it is a good repeat
The story of Paula the Heightist
Paula was an unabashed heightist. She belonged to a tall club, where women needed to be at least 5’10” and men 6’2”. Paula was 5’10”, 32, and was attractive. She modeled in High School and in her first year of college. From the neck up, I would say an 8.5-8.8. She had a very pretty face, and she was very easy on the eyes. From the neck down was another story. Typical for a tall girl, not much in the breast department. Her body I would rate –C, for she didn’t have much of a waist and her butt was sort of there, but nothing exceptional.
This didn’t stop Paula from telling me all about her relationships with men 6’ plus, knowing I was 5’8”. Paula would only look at men 6’ plus, and most of her talk about the man centered on his height. One day, I met Paula and her latest man. He was either in his late 40’s or early 50’s, had about 50/50 black and grey hair. He was about 6’1”. I met Paula a few days later, and she gushed on how great he was. Over time she sensed that something was not right in the relationship, so she hired a private investigator to check him out. The investigator told Paula he had another girl friend, and he had a sex offense on his record. Paula was devastated. She told me this when I saw her with her girlfriends while I was out clubbing.
I ran into Paula sometime later, and she was over the moon. Her latest man, she named Baby Beef. He was 6’7” and was 26. She went on how being next to him made her feel so feminine and safe. All the time talking about his height to me, knowing I am 5’8”. It didn’t take time for this relationship to fall apart, for it was based upon her obsession of height. So I was not surprised 2 months later when it did. And as in the other failed relationship, she was down in the dumps. I met her in a bar we both liked, and I could see how depressed she was.
Months later, I ran into here again. And again she had a new man, somewhere in the 6’4” range. I think she met him at the tall club as she did the 6’7” guy. She was ecstatic. He was 6’4”, what more could you want in a relationship than that? And just as what had happened in the previous relationships, it came to a crashing end. And again, Paula was depressed. I bought her a drink, and she told me that she thought that the reason her relationships failed was that she was too INTIMIDATING. I wanted to tell her that I thought the reason the relationships failed was that she was a broke secretary, out of shape, whose only qualification for a man was to be 6’ or taller. And that height does not guarantee a relationship will last any more than if you only dated people with freckles. You need to judge a man by his character, not his inseam. You have to like each other, like being with each other, respect differences, and much, much more. But to Paula, height was the most important thing, everything else was trivial.
I knew Paula for about 2 ½ years and there were more failed relationships. And she was not taking it well. The last time I ever saw her was at the bar I first met her at, and she must have gained 40 pounds in the last 6 months. I felt sorry for her, but she just wouldn’t change. You would have thought years of failures would prompt a new dating plan, but not Paula. She needed a tall man, no matter what.
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These women better be careful about disqualifying people based on measurable numbers, because scales exist...
giantgladiator 2y ago
Fuck these five foot bitches that hunt for tall dudes, like do you have any respect for my spine like seriously I'm not trying to end up in a brace. Making me break my back for your tiny ass
thefudmaster 2y ago
I don’t date but won’t date overweight women.
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thefudmaster 2y ago
Fuck off. Wish you the worst douchetits
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Plzdontmindm3 2y ago
Probably :/
fuzzy_brb 2y ago
Her: I’m 5’9” and only date men taller than me. No exceptions!!!! Guy who’s 5’5”: how about if I stand beside my 2021 $350k Ferrari?And did I fail to mention I make $250k a year? Would I make your height requirement? Her: come here lover boy and marry me!!!
Exterminatus4Lyfe 2y ago
So:
Work your ass off to make $25 a year
OR
Be naturally 6ft
Damn, easy mode.
Remarkable_Weather21 2y ago
i am 6ft and i can tell you that women do not throw themselves at me they want something more
waveformcollapse 2y ago
I don't date women above 110 pounds.
thotts_n_prayers 2y ago
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ArrowGantOne 2y ago
I am 6'2", don't hate me for what I can't control please. But I have never been into short girls. (My ex was 5'10" and her sister was 6'1"...yes they were born women...and they were both smoking hot.) I have watched women turn down men due to height at bars. Whenever possible I have tried to casually approach so they take note of my height. Most of the time I can make small talk enough to where I can at least get her to ask if I'm single. Getting to tell them I'm single but I don't date girls that aren't at least six feet tall is priceless.
snoozeflu 2y ago
"Sorry, I don't date girls over 110 pounds".
DumbleForeSkin 2y ago
Snoozeflu: "Boohoo---me so lonely"
Itburns12345 2y ago
Stupid anyway How.many of them are gonna break out a tape measure ? When a woman says this she just means shorter guys
Ok_Swim_2691 2y ago
I think it's an imperial vs metric thing, really.
In sales, everybody knows $9.99 seems cheaper than $10, even though it isn't. But selling at $9.99 still is more effective than selling at $10.
It's the same with height. 6'0 comes to 182.88 cm. In countries using metric, the "tall" standard is 180 cm., which is slightly less than 5'11'', while the Chad tall standard is 2meters, or 6' frickin 7''.
Notice how in both cases what's looked highly upon isn't the height itself, but reaching an arbitrary round number.
Likewise, the average is 170-175 cm. , that is, 5'7''-5'9''. No way we're gonna beat ourselves over some 5-10cm of height.
The point is, where metric men are a few centimeters less than tall, imperial men who are less than 6' "seem" to be an entire foot short.
me_at_myhouse 2y ago
This is simply because women who have this height obsession view men as an accessory, like they might select a purse.
When out on the town, she is more concerned with what a total stranger thinks of her than any personality trait that her man may bring to the relationship. The only trait she requires is that the man be over 6 feet so that total strangers view them as 'height appropriate'.
69problemCel 2y ago
Historically most woman view man as a tools, it’s just now the tool not only has to be printing money but also look good so she can flex it in front of her friends.
Sekt27 2y ago
If I could add to this, I’d like to paraphrase what Esther v said, that in a woman’s world , women’s views of her are what concern her, so to clarify women only care about women think of themselves, they have a hive mindset and also don’t like to stand out and are docile , therefore will follow society regulations. If popular media and shows say : 6ft man
External-Can-7839 2y ago
Thread I wrote on MGTOW a few months back so along this in further detail
binkerfluid 2y ago
"but I cant wear highheels!"
kidruhil 2y ago
Unless she's the type that doesn't want kids, then no. They don't date short guys because they don't want short sons.
Short genes are inferior genes from most females perspectives. This accessorizing line im seeing more and more on here is a hard cope. I feel for guys that get screened on height but we all know attraction for females is entirely based on factors they can't control.
Their ability to flaunt their hot guys is of secondary importance to what genes he'd provide for her offspring.
The_Meep_Lord 2y ago
You are both right.
Height is seen as superior genes for the men born would be better accessories and thus higher value.
Height use to serve a purpose, but it is going to quickly become a detriment if we keep getting tallerz
BluepillProfessor 2y ago
No, the ability to flaunt is paramount. It just works out that tall men have the genes that they want to flaunt.
disayle32 2y ago
The same perspective that gets wet for murderers, abusers, child molesters, and other scum of the earth. Women can't sense actual good genes and they never have been able to.
kidruhil 2y ago
Actually those genes ARE SUPERIOR from a purely biological perspective. A beta caveman that shared his families food during a lean year would cause his wife and kids to starve.
We've become soft due to the comforts of civilization and allowed stupid Disney morals to further distance ourselves from our genetic heritage. But instinct comes out when it's time to mate select. If you don't have the capacity to be a ruthless hunter/killer, you're an unfit human being, biologically speaking. Obviously. Those traits should be kept in check in order to function in society but the truth is in the pudding. The pudding that gets selected to reach the eggs
meltboro 2y ago
that may be their mindset but its a flawed one. The taller you are, the more likely you are to have cell-disease based issues, most specifically cancer. Its a fact. This is likely a contributing factor for why there are less tall men than short men.
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/taller-people-more-prone-to-cancer-64995
Additionally, girls like to associate being tall with having a big dick. statistically, there is NO proven correlation. The world record largest dick every belongs to a 5'10 tall man. Not 6'2, not 6'5. 5'10
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah\_Falcon
ObjectiveSuspect 2y ago
Lol cope.
Jonah Falcon hasn't allowed anyone to actually verify this megadick of his and 'more prone' to cancer is hardly relevant when almost every cancer diagnosis is attributed either to family history or lifestyle.
mustangfrank 2y ago
I call BS to your logic. I am 5'8" my wife 5'7". We have 4 boys, 6'3", 6' 1/4", 5'9"(198 pounds) and a 13 year old at 5'9".
kidruhil 2y ago
Well there's 2 potential reasons for that. 1st up- you or your wife have tall ancestors and maybe the genes just skipped you two.
Or.... the other reason. Do your kids "look more like their mom than their dad"?
Good troll post, I love it lol
mustangfrank 2y ago
Troll post? Yours or mine? Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it is a troll post. When facts blow up your argument it becomes a troll post. LOL BTW 3 degrees and on 2 US patents. Worked in 22 countries.
kidruhil 2y ago
Then either you got tall genes that remained recessive in your case or those kids aren't actually yours. I'm hoping its the former.
BeholdTheHair 2y ago
This implies there's a degree of conscious thought involved, which I don't think is the case. Children are the product of both parents' genes, after all, and a tall man making babies with a short woman can absolutely turn out short(er) sons (I should know; I'm the only male in my immediate family under 6' - fuck you too, genetics). Even people living thousands of years ago, no less intelligent than we are, would have been plenty observant enough to see that for themselves and potentially correct for it in individual cases.
Obviously they didn't, and that's because women being attracted to and selecting for height is every bit as primal and unconscious as men being attracted to and selecting for youth, clear skin, long legs and wide hips.
This is, of course, why any successful civilization throughout human history has placed restrictions on the free and unfettered exercise of women's reproductive agency. Women are only too willing to gather into harems and share the attention and affections of the few powerful men at the top, and leaving over half your populace out in the cold, evolutionarily speaking, is an excellent recipe for that civilization's fall.
Especially considering, with some few extreme exceptions, such as in professional athletics, there's nothing a 6'+ man can do that a 5'7" man can't do just as well.
Dunkman83 2y ago
and it doesnt always work that way. my ex had a boy and a girl. the daughter was tall like her dad and her son was shorter than she was.
LastFlow 2y ago
and sometimes non tall men/women produce tall offspring. genetics is a tricky bastard. my cousin is over 6 feet but his parents are no taller than 5'7
urbana1 2y ago
His alleged parents lol
kidruhil 2y ago
Lol DAMN that's rough
Dunkman83 2y ago
yea the son had a real napoleon complex too.. his dad was likr 6'4
kidruhil 2y ago
That's regrettable but shit happens.
LastFlow 2y ago
not meant as an insult/compliment but this sounds like something jordan peterson would say.
sub-hunter 2y ago
He is pretty rational
BeholdTheHair 2y ago
Aye. Dude has his blind spots, of course, just like everyone does, but he talks a lot o' sense about a lot o' shit most people desperately need to hear.
Crucially, at least to my mind, he also seems to be more interested in preserving and rebuilding western civilization than simply hedonistically enjoying the decline, as so many of the TRP crowd seem to favor.
sub-hunter 2y ago
Agreed
areyouevenawarebrah 2y ago
It's like saying guys only like big boobs so that they can show off their big boobs gf to their friends.
Strong cope. I get why they cope though. It's hard accepting that women don't you because of some intrinsic reasons rather than being the results of socialization.
Financial_Editor 2y ago
Sure, it could just be people coping, but I've experienced women being visibly disappointed when I say that I'm 5'11". I can't really reconcile that if it's just a personal preference for them.
mustangfrank 2y ago
No one can tell the difference of an inch. Say you are 6' and go with it. Wear bigger healed shoes to create the effect.
kidruhil 2y ago
100% agree
alljunks 2y ago
Not much reason to separate them. They want to look impressive in public, they’re impressed by height. The amount of weight its given, as well as keeping appearances, highlights how much it’s preferred over other factors.
It’s not a cope unless they think the women are doing it begrudgingly, but that’s not the point expressed by someone pointing out that they’re summarily less than an accessory
mustangfrank 2y ago
Women attach their own self worth in direct proportion to the height of the man they are with. It makes 0 sense, but they don't care. It is to impress other women.
Woman 1 My BF is 6'
Woman 2 My BF is 6'2"
Woman 3 My BF is 6'6"
Woman 3 wins. That's how it works.'
jor4288 2y ago
Kevin Samuels would say height has nothing to do with whether you are a high value man. The HVM can be 5’ and still has his choice of women.
mustangfrank 2y ago
He is right on a lot of things, but not this. Women place height as more important than character. I have seen this all my life.
Past_Sir4 2y ago
That's because you're young and got no wealth.
Wealth > every other single damn quality in a man.
Bezos would be dick sucked by every woman in NY if he wanted it to happen that way. As we speak, Gates is drowning in women right now on some secret orgy island.
I'm older than most Redditors and I will fall on my sword swearing that I have seen short, bald, ugly ass mfs with hot women. Tale as old as time.
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mustangfrank 2y ago
Sure. When you are out in bars and man's height never comes up between your friends. Sure. Let me guess, it is all about personality. LOL
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mustangfrank 2y ago
OK If you say so, then I have learned something.
areyouevenawarebrah 2y ago
Because it proves that they were good enough to attract a mate of superior genetics.
" I'm pretty enough to attract a hot tall guy "
butt_uglee 2y ago
Now do engagement ring size
areyouevenawarebrah 2y ago
All of that just prove the biological hypothesis. You have to ask yourself why we perceive height as an important thing to the point that women " strive to get tall men to get recognition" .
I'll just reiterate my previous point with an elaboration of the previous analogy. Would you say that men want hot women just as an accessory to make themselves look good? My answer is that the accessory hypothesis plays a small role. Moreover, the reason why it's even considered as an accessory is because beauty is something we naturally recognize.
Women are not doing out of spite. Women are biologically designed to find taller men attractive just as men are biologically designed to find women with a certain hip to waist ratio attractive. We are genetically designed to think of taller as better.
With a lower sex drive and much larger pool of possible mates women can afford to be picky. Imagine going to a buffet and having almost unlimited options ( dating for most women). You're not too hungry either. You're going to be extremely picky and only eat what you really really like.
alljunks 2y ago
They didn’t say anything about a biological hypothesis, and I just pointed out that their statement wasn’t a cope and similar statements are generally mindful of what you think they’re ignoring
They’re more open to cold women in general, so it’s not an apt comparison
In contrast, “beauty standard” arguments generally do go all in on the idea that men’s tastes are based on social injustice and can be changed. A change hoped for by people who are able to be extremely picky and only eat what they like.
Moldy_Gecko 2y ago
Lower sex drive is a myth.
BluepillProfessor 2y ago
Get married and get back to us. Women have periods of debauched sluttery but men do it their whole lives. Men are turned on by women. Women are turned on by how the man she is with mght make her girlfriends jelly. They geT horny when their instincts kick in to keep a guy or win a guy. Once she has him it dies off within hours.
Moldy_Gecko 2y ago
I usually don't prefer anecdotes, but yes, I've been married twice. Once as a young Marine with a horny asf wife and once right before leaving the Corps with a dull one. And currently in a 2 year long relationship with a slightl younger (she's 30) woman with a tremendously higher sex drive than mine. Including non-reciprocative blowjobs nearly every day. What I've learned post RP is that they're horny, you just have to be a man with confidence, options, and ability. Do that and they'll crave the shit out of you. They're horny, it's just a matter if they're horniness is directed at you or not.
TitanThePony 2y ago
I don't have a massive body count, but without exception every GF I've had (including my wife) loved to fuck. Premenopausal, I'd say females are just as horny as makes.
The_Meep_Lord 2y ago
I literally had sex everyday in my last relationship. She gave blowjobs everyday she was on her period.
I did it just to show my friend how honey women truly are lol.
And it is more then confidence, you just have to be attractive or be amoung the best of her options period.
Moldy_Gecko 2y ago
I mean, there should be a certain level of attractiveness, but there is a reason dumb block heads with strong features, but bad looks (like Arnold or Sylvester) can still get laid often. Most of it is confidence imo.
areyouevenawarebrah 2y ago
Absolutely not. Mammalian males have a much much higher sex drive than females. Testosterone levels correlate with sex drive, and males have about 10x more testosterone than females.
Another proof is looking at what men are willing to do for the hope of sex
Moldy_Gecko 2y ago
Estrogen correlates to sex drive as well. The only reason many men are willing to do more for sex is because it's not as available to them as it is to women. Men that have sex at the ready aren't sacrificing for sex.
areyouevenawarebrah 2y ago
And the reason why sex is not so available to men is because women have a lower sex drive. You're simply describing the consequences of the differences in sex drives. Estrogen is needed for sex drive, but it's not as of a factor as test.
You'll be surprised by how many chads are willing to bang girls much worse looking than them because of thirst. Look at the masturbation rates between men and women.
Moldy_Gecko 2y ago
I think it's more to do with the 80/20 rule. Men just have lower standards typically, so we'll fuck just about anything. Women want to fuck as well, but I presume they ONLY want to fuck the chads. So, if you're not a Chad, you usually have to sacrifice.
As well, as I said, men have lower standards, so they will bang a girl that looks worse than them. Especially if they've already put in some effort or made a plan that night via online dating. At least I know as long as the girl wasn't hideous, I'd still bring her home in my "Chad" days. I don't think masturbation correlates to libido honestly. At least it doesn't with me. Of course, those with a higher libido but no looks are probably yanking it more though.
Also, I just wanted to put this article here. It's pretty much the reason we're having the debate, cuz nobody actually freaking knows as evidence points both ways.
CrackerUMustBTripinn 2y ago
Simple masturbation frequency statistics disagree strongly with your statement. Nerd Stats
Moldy_Gecko 2y ago
14-17 yr olds on a 10 yr old study. Great source on how horny women are.
CrackerUMustBTripinn 2y ago
That's fair critisism, if you are really interested then The National Survey of Sexual Health and Behaviour is the more complete (paywall). Men have stable 3x higher rate compared to women when it comes to masturbation frequency.
Moldy_Gecko 2y ago
I can agree that men masturbate more frequently. But I'm not convinced it's a correlation to libido. I am LL, but masturbate fairly frequently.
black_snake_m0an 2y ago
I’m 5’8 and I’ve dated two guys who were like 5’7. I don’t understand the obsession. I’ve dated as tall as 6’5 and it’s no different to me than 5’11 really...as long as they’re taller than you, why would it matter?
I understand girls instinctively want the best genes to mate with or whatever but how important is height really? On average I’d say shorter dudes have better game and taller guys tend to be more awkward.
It always angered me when girls who are short demanded tall men. YOU don’t have the tall gene, you have no right to expect that in someone else unless you’re drop dead beautiful. The short gene is gonna fuck it up for the offspring anyway