They say, "No finance=No romance".

We say, "No hymen=No diamond".

Every man should have this as his rule for each woman:

When it comes to sex, I will wait no longer than the man who waited the shortest amount of time to get sex with you. I will "pay" no more than the least amount you've "charged" any man for sex.

If you fucked Chad after knowing him for a couple of hours, then I'm not waiting 3 dates or 3 months. If the "price" you charged Chad was a couple of drinks, then I'm not buying you dinner anywhere, much less at Ruths Chris.

If you fucked Chad right away, but you're making me wait, that means you're not sexually attracted to me. It means you're using me. It means you're trying to extract resources from me while I get nothing. It means you're getting what you want while I get nothing I want.

And this means there's nothing in it for me.

Women's rejoinder to all this is

Well, you're not Chad. You're not Tyrone. That means you have to work for it. That means you have to do other things to get my interest. It's not fair that you're not Chad, but that's just how it is - some men get early sex, and some men don't. Some men are for sex. Some men are for relationships. But hey, you relationship guys are the ones who really get the good stuff! You get us for a lifetime, whereas Chad just gets us for a night or three! So you're getting the best we have to offer!

My reply:

1) TRP CONFIRMED. Thank you for confirming that everything TRP says about women is 100% true and correct. Thank you for confirming that what TRP says about the modern sexual and relationship marketplaces is 100% spot on. We are right, you are wrong, and that's all there is to it. So I don't ever, ever want to hear, ever again, about how TRP is "wrong" about something, not when you ladies just confirmed everything TRP says.

2) If you get everything you want, and I get nothing I want, then no relationship and no nothing. If you get things for free, but I have to work for everything, no relationship and no nothing.

3) It's fair enough that some men are not Chad/Tyrone. It's also fair that you get nothing from me. Nothing means nothing: not even attention or help. Not even white knighting. Not even if it I can spare it. Not even if it would cost me nothing. Not even if it's just a few trifling pennies.

No, I will not offer my seat to you on public transit. No, I will not help you lift this or move that. No, I will not intervene when your date is menacing you. No, I will not help you move. No, I will not give you a lift. No, I will not be your "friend".

No, you may not borrow my car. No, I will not loan you money. No, I will not give you even so much as a few pennies to make up a shortfall at the cash register. No, we cannot share a cab. No, I will not give you a lift to the nearest gas station. No, you may not use my phone. No, I will not do this or that or anything else for you.

No, I will not listen to you talk about meaningless shit. I don't care about your problems or your predicament.

No, I will not give you anything - not even my attention.

No. NO NO NO.

Don't be anyone's plan B/safety net.

You don't want me in your prime, I don't want you in your decline.

With promiscuity and marriage/ common marriage laws stacked against men, men who want relationships need to thoroughly vet their partners and sign a prenup. Men's loyalty and commitment is the prize. Sex is a cheap commodity these days.

A woman who chased Chads, and settles after her prime will not respect a man. She will cheat or monkey branch if/when she can. Nothing will stop her from divorcing. It's a financial win for her and there is no social stigma.

It's a hard pill to swallow but that's the reality nowadays. Men need to choose virtuous women carefully and protect themselves or stay single focused on their purpose.

There is a fundamental problem with respect in relationships. When a woman places her man below any other man for sex - in waiting times, frequency of rejecting him or unwillingness to perform sex acts she has done with other men - it is a cancer on the relationship. No man wants to be second best in his own house. That’s why men need to walk the fuck away until this culture changes. “I’m not that type of girl anymore” is just bullshit. The women might not like it, but that doesn’t matter. They can pay for their own cars and bags and live alone.

As an addendum, women - thanks to their own hypergamy - opened up the sexual market to global competition.

If Amanda from my town wants to play coy, I have no incentive to play along with her when Susan one town over is sucking dick. My commitment is the prize, not their sex - I can go get the sloppy toppy from Susan and my value will not decrease.

Any man who has to wait longer is essentially paying more for than what it is worth.

I've tried to educate men on this particular point for ages. By the time a woman gets to bar age she's been picked up in them, slammed at a frat or regular party, or these days had at least one late night pump & dump via a "dating" site. If it takes more than one date to seal the deal, move on. If she's willing to give it up to Random Randy from the nightclub she'd better be ready for action after you throw a meal down her throat. It's a matter of basic respect if nothing else. OK, if she's Amish and just off the farm maybe she has some excuse for not knowing "would you like to go out?" is code for "I want to put your ankles near your ears and bang your brains out" but other than that...

Me, I gave up on courtship bullshit fairly early on. Dinner, drinks, etc., those sorts of things are a reward after the fact not an incentive. There are women worth fucking and there are women worth fucking & spending time with. Get past the first hurdle and we'll see about the second.

nope im not waiting

ill do some courting AFTER sex has been confirmed.

other than that, im cool.

ill hire an escort before i wine and dine a post wall single mother.

Like any other Prisoner's Dilemma, when one party decides to renege on the compromise solution (traditional monogamy and marriage where both parties get something) it leaves the other party with the remaining pragmatic choices of either being better at getting a one sided victory, or just not showing up to the table at all. Because it is not reasonable or even rational to expect one party to voluntarily show up and get exploited for their effort in perpetuity.

Which is what women are attempting to do when they sleep around in their youth when winning is easy for them to do so, and then still expect stable responsible men to still be around and be willing to pay full price (commitment/provisioning) with no access to female youth, fertility, or even assurance of fidelity.

And then those same women will disingenuously wonder why men refuse to "man up" and otherwise attempt to transfer the blame to men when the original issue causing this was the choices those women made, and cannot unmake without some form of time travel.

The waiting game is obsolete in the land of liberated ladies.

It isn't even worth going into the waiting room.

Resubmitted due to messing up where I should have put it. Here is is once more.