In-sub Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre/comments/8mm1od/michaels_story/
Original Link: https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/more-grim-news-for-carousellers-hoping-to-jump-at-the-last-minute/#comment-62160
For this weekend, we have a golden oldie that is recommended reading material in our main sub as well as in TRP. Michael, a good man, recounts the tale of his youth, the feckless whores he encountered during his college years and the dilemma he faces as he improves his status in life. Michael's story is very relatable to every man who was given a false script to adhere to while women created an entirely new script for themselves. It is thanks to stories like this and contributors like Michael we know what we know today. Heed his story and stay safe gentlemen.
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THe entire text, copied here for posterity.
Michael's Story
Hello. Is there an introduction board for this website? My name is Michael. I’ve been reading this website for 3 days. I’m shocked to see everything I’ve experiencing written in such a perfectly stated way. Never before have I seen a blog/media outlet so perfectly written. The writer is surely a genius. I’m amazed and relived to see so many responses. It means I’m not alone.
I’m 32 years old and have never been married. Unfortunately (or fortunately I’m not sure which anymore at this point) I have no kids. I am single and alone and not dating anyone. I live in Los Angeles. My income was $120,000.00 (net earnings after creative deductions and business taxes) in 2011. Income is projected to be $170,000.00 (net earnings after business taxes) in 2012. I’m exactly the kinds of “independent man” women claim they want. I drive a luxury car with an amazing apartment in Los Angeles directly on the beach. It’s quite a panty moistener and costs me $6,000.00 per month. I work from home because an office would cost at least another $2,000.00 month. I keep in great shape. Gym 3-4 a week + running + organic diet (I spend $700-$900.00 a month on organic foods and supplements) I was raised in a Christian “7th Heaven” (old TV show) type household. We always went to church. Strong hard working father figure was always present for me and my siblings. I went to private school, university, law school, and then started my own practice at 28 years old.
My parents met and married in college. They have been married for 39 years. And it hurts me to the core to be 32 and unmarried. Alone. Without a loving wife. I feel pain from it every single day. It’s like a sharp invisible dagger constantly stabbing at me. But perhaps I’m part of the problem listed in the graphs above. Let me explain why:
I went to the same college my parents met and married at. I was hoping to meet marry and settle down. Instead I was met with hundreds young college aged women who were NOT interested in marriage. They were interested in: 1) Partying 2) Having sex. College was 24/7 fuck fest. At first I was able to begrudgingly “socialize” in this element. What do I mean by “this element” within this context? College: Extreme social promiscuity, cheating, drama, drugs, and parties. I was an observer but NEVER a direct participant because my heart would not let me. This eventually caused me to stick out as a third wheel observer on campus. Someone who was always “not mixing” or “participating”. As a result I never enjoyed the benefits. I rarely dated. Instead I was sneered at. Cute girls flicked their fingers at me. I was used by women as a person to tell their problems to. I was passed over. I was seen as “weak “lame” and “boring”. I was ignored in the hallways, library, classes, by these women. And it didn’t help I was cash strapped broke working a minimum wage job and eating Raman noodles..
The vast majority of these young hot girls vigorously pursued college life sex like you would not believe. They had sex with a large variety of guys. What I personally call “lily padding”. These girls did anything and anyone in the name of “fun” (fun=parties, fun= sex with new people, fun= drugs, fun= raves, fun = frat party etc.
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(Michael's Story, continued from prior comment.)
It hurt me to watch these girls go out of their way to pursue and spread their legs for complete losers. COMPLETE LOSERS. I’m talking: Hi I work in a carnival part time, I’m covered in tattoos, I have no job, I failed my minimum wage drug test and I’m in a band. These guys were losers. Some did not even go to the college! They would hop a bus stay with friends and get laid THAT NIGHT.
Many nights I could not sleep because of the girls getting fucked hard… 1,2,3,4 dorms down. The dorms were old military barracks from the 1940’s with vents through the ceilings. It was very loud. All the time. I remember how much it hurt to be rejected by one girl in particular I had my open hopeless romantic heart set on… We had allot in common. I pursued her like a complete gentlemen – and was eventually turned down. That same weekend after getting turned down I got to hear her getting fucked hard and loud in the room next door. The guy who lived there was a super scraggly unattractive heavy drug user covered in tattoos majoring in “music studies”. This girl was young hot thin beautiful in her physical prime. I never said anything. But I felt so hurt she turned me down for casual sex with a guy like that. This guy was very open about his exploits with her and told me not to worry because practically every guy he knew fucked her. As the years passed the same thing happened again and again, and again and again, in various ways with all kinds of unrelated girls. What I mean is: I was looking for a LTR leading to marriage. I would meet trade numbers talk and “feel” a girl was a good person. Then she would do other guys. Or I would find out things like this. When this kind of thing happens to me over and over all through my life….it hurts me and makes me doubt senses. What is wrong with me that my heart is telling me she is a good person when she is clearly not?
As time went on I was labeled “husband material” by the girls on my campus. This phrase continued to plague me into my late 20’s. This label resulted in ZERO DATES all through college. I wasn’t “down with it”. I wasn’t “participating” etc (sex, drugs, parties, etc.) My heart wasn’t into it. So I wasn’t entitled to any of the benefits (having sex with young attractive girls in their prime etc.). However party guys, flash in a pan athletes, loser guys in bands, wanna be DJ’s and self-professed “club promoters” – were ALWAYS getting these girls at their youngest hottest physical prime. Basically the more of a loser the guy was… the more these women would have sex with them. Hot sorority girls flocked to Football players like a butterfly’s on a beast. It didn’t even matter if the guy was black. College athletes did not even TRY to get laid.
One night I had enough. I confronted a room of 8-10 gorgeous white girls. These girls were 18-24 years old. I asked them if they planned to get married. All seemed to say more or less – YES. I asked what their future husband would think about their behavior. I was immediately met with hostility. I was told the future husband would “never know” and “it’s none of his business”. The girls said they knew exactly what they were doing and were planning to “have their fun” (fun= partying, fun=sex, fun=going on spring break etc.) and would “settle down later”. I asked: when are you planning to settle down? They said: “It depends” and “probably around 27, 28” or “maybe sooner it depends”. I really put the girls on the spot. During our exchange they saw I was upset. They told me I should be happy because “nice guys finish first in the end”. I told them you cannot have your cake and eat it to. Then I was told by Kaylene (a young thin super sexy blonde with curves in all the right places (who BTW refused to date me even though we were friends and according to her roommate had sex with almost 30 guys in one semester ) she told me “Michael let me tell you something: not only am I going to have my cake eat it and eat it too. I’m going to have it with ice cream and sprinkles”. All of the girls laughed and smiled in agreement.
I thought things would change after college. They didn’t.
Now at 32 and successful these women are hitting me. In my mind these are the same women who rejected me. I’m not interested. The Bible says something to the effect of “don’t forsake the wife of your youth” or something like “remember your young wife”? Something like that. How am I supposed to remember something I never had? I have no history with these women. Ticking ovaries are scandalous. They will lie and say anything to get what they want. Which is: BABIES AND A LOVING HUSBAND TO PAY THEIR BILLS. Yet these women did not even give a few good years of their youth!
As a man I am very visual. God made me this way. I cannot help finding a physically beautiful woman attractive. Why did these women not at least give me a few years of their youth so I would have time to fall in love with them and permanently burn their image in my mind’s eye? I need something to remember when we are 50 and married. Yet she spent her 20’s parceling herself out to guys who gave her nothing and offers nothing to the guy who gives her everything. I’m expected to commit hard earned resources to raising children with what is ultimately a suspect woman whose history I know nothing about. A 30+ unmarried women has very high chance of having a questionable past and baggage. I believe the more men a woman has been with the less likely she is to be emotionally committed each subsequent one. When you have handed out little pieces of your heart over years to dozens of different men what is left for the husband you proclaim to truly love? What value do the words “I love you” mean when she has stared into the eyes of 10-100+ different men and said the same thing?
At 30+ women’s physical appearance has nowhere to go but DOWN. Is this what women mean by “saving the best for last”? Marrying at 30+? How can women spend trillions of dollars a year on beauty products yet at the same time claim a women’s age “shouldn’t be important” to a man? And what about children? Did they ever think their husbands might want to have children? What’s more likely to naturally produce a quicker pregnancy and healthy offspring? A fertile 24 year old in her physical prime… or a 35 year old aging womb? What if I want multiple children? At 30+ a women can easily before infertile after her first pregnancy. As a result of everything I’ve seen and experienced in my life I would like to make an announcement to all the desperate 30+ year old women out there: I would rather suffocate and die then spend my hard earned income, love, trust, and substance on you. Your entitled, ageing, feminist, jaded, baggage laden and brainwashed. And if I cannot marry a women in her 20’s I REFUSE TO EVER GET MARRIED. Given my high income this should not be a problem. However I’m concerned at some point I will have to start looking overseas (Ukraine, Russia, Eastern Europe etc.). I’m not going to marry one of these 30+ ageing entitled females who clearly have an agenda of their own. I intend to get married once. Marriage is meant to be forever. I will not be a starter husband for one of these used up women. I can’t tell you the number of men I’ve known who married late and were rewarded by losing everything they spent their lives building…
The way I see it I’ve been given the following choices:
1) Marry a 30+ woman.
2) Marry a woman in her twenties
3) Be single and enjoy my money.
Fin
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LOL throughout his post he talks about beautiful women this, beautiful women that. He only ever once talks about how he was attracted to someone because of common interests, and never because of her moral character.
The fact of the matter is most of us men chase women based on their looks with little regard to their moral character and while this isn't the only cause of women's behavior descending to the lowest common denominator (LCD), our failure to filter women based on their character is a big contributor. Women aren't lesser cuts of meat - part of the problem is hypergamic women, the other part is that men allow the LCD to flourish and hopelessly pollute the ecosystem.
Sometimes it's not the hotbabe looking woman that is your soulmate...
BewareTheOldMan 5y ago
Michael was trying to generate interest from an attractive to reasonably attractive woman, wine and dine her, treat her like a gentleman, and then convert her into his soulmate - all while using the Blue Pill Playbook. He's a victim of his beliefs and hardcore Christian upbringing, assuming most other respectable people would behave the same way.
That shit doesn't work - he should have just been the guy doing the smashing and searched for the soulmate or wife at a later date, in addition to becoming the guy that women want to fuck...which he later does, but he's still bitter about his college days.
This is the strength of Blue Pill Conditioning - Michal believed the lies he was told about women...that if you were a nice, great, and loving guy who treated women with respect, you would be rewarded for this effort with a nice, loving, loyal, and dedicated young lady who would eventually become your "forever-wife."
That was the 1950s and prior and when behaving like a slut tanked your marital future - the 1960s Sexual Revolution essentially turned what would have been respectful young women destined to be wives into hardcore sluts who place no value on virginity, chastity, or sexual innocence. Even worse is the group of women who are disrespectful, manipulative, disruptive, and are rebellious who refuse to cook, clean a house, and bitch about caring for their own damn kids.
The crazy part is that after years of being a rebellious feminist and hardcore slut, these same women expect marriage to high-quality men when they realize feminism has no use in their life. They essentially become burned out and realize they'd rather have security and stability in a husband and start a family. There are articles and women's blogs all over the place reflecting how women wasted years mired in feminist mindset with deep regret.
I posit if a man is expected to break his back until death providing for his family, the least a woman must do is give this guy her youth and the ability to produce at least 3 x healthy children versus some aging feminist seeking a retirement plan.
I doubt our guy Michael was trying to bag the hot babe soulmate, based on their own SMV most guys are fine with a hard 6 or an adjustable HB7. The problem is these women want the "husband material" guys well after their prime years, they're deep in debt, a double to triple-digit N-count, and loads of emotional baggage. No women can ever explain how this helps men.
If guys like Michael truly want a healthy marriage and family, they can keep their values and standards but refuse to be the backup retirement plan for used-up bitches. Men also have to let go of the "girls are sugar and spice" Blue Pill BS and see women in the reality as it exists in the post-feminist modern era.
You have to keep taking those Red Pills - there are many critics who deride TRP, but it has its practical uses.
cc - u/moorekom
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Devastatingly excellent points. It seems to me that TRP understands the problem, but in their belief that you must satisfy her hypergamy and that all women are hypergamic, I feel they are off the mark.
moorekom Mod 5y ago
I agree to an extent. Men need to have attraction and arousal for women (and vice versa). A lot of people only go for the arousal, especially women, because they've been taught to trust their butterflies in the stomach feeling. The problem these days is not just that people shoot above their league, but they over estimate their league to begin with thanks to all the positive, polite affirmations they get.
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Define "league."
BewareTheOldMan 5y ago
Here's something relatable - I don't have a long string of relationships, but I have enough to realize that exceeding your league creates problems.
For example - referencing the attractiveness/SMV scale of 1 to 10, I've always been within one point of attractiveness with any woman I've had a relationship. No woman has ever been smarter than me or intellectually superior or a higher earner, but that's another conversation.
A takeaway for me is that women 2 points or more higher in SMV exert much less effort in relationships by assuming they can always find someone with higher SMV. They usually can, but the problem for many of these women is finding someone better who meets the "whole-person" concept. Pretty boys are notorious for behaving the same as pretty/very pretty women. In short - they exert little or less effort in relationships.
The two women I dated who were two points higher in SMV were the worst in flaking, open flirting, and disrespect mainly because they were always on the lookout for better or prettier men. It was easy to let them go, because if anything I'm consistent in my relationship behavior. I wasn't jumping through extra hoops just because these women had an SMV advantage.
cc - u/moorekom
moorekom Mod 5y ago
Very well said. Although your comments are complete by themselves, I am going to add a few points in addition for u/LeJacquelope's sake.
Women want protection, provision and validation.
The old playbook played into the first two. But women no longer need those two thanks to government and welfare. So, playing by that rule book when women are looking at validation alone is not going to work. They chase after guys who are more attractive and better than them until they need protection and provision from men, in addition to the support they get from government. This is not out of disillusionment or regret.
You have to understand that feminine sexual nature is submission to a better man. Finding this better man, in essence, is hypergamy. Feminism is a defiance to submit to any man. Women, when they're young, will submit sexually to a better man but they usually don't submit enough to please him or to be considered as wife material because that goes against their ideology.
Most men have been led to believe that the old playbook is still the way to go. They find out after a while that these girls keep them in the waiting while they have fun with guys who are above their league and will never settle for them. Look at any fatty demanding a 6 ft, 6 pack, 6 figure salary guy and you'll get the idea.
The problem with women these days is twofold. They aim far higher than they should thanks to the easy access of a sexual culture and they overestimate their own worth when it comes to marriage or commitment. A man will fuck a girl who is not as attractive as him in a pinch. It does not mean he will marry her.
Hypergamy, regulated by society, is a step up. Unregulated by society, women use it like a ladder. They want to keep climbing and climbing until they find the best of the best and finally settle down with him. Thanks to their over inflated self esteem and self worth, this guy is not really available to them except for one night stands. Guys like Michael are only kept there as backup if they can't get the best.
Read this post for an example on leagues and how women bat way above their leagues.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre/comments/bns2rb/when_you_think_youve_landed_yourself_an_alpha/
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I just wanted to touch on this point:
What happens to women in a world where protection and provision are automatically available? I'm in favor of things like the basic guaranteed income because (among many other things) it will let us all know the true nature of the women we encounter. What we're living now is a lie and I hate that.
moorekom Mod 5y ago
To an extent, you are looking at it now. Women have a lot of bailout options available to them these days. Welfare, alimony, child support etc. They chase guys who have better looks (Alpha Fucks) when they are young. When they reach about 25-29, they want to find someone who possesses all three qualities (Alpha Bucks). When they can't find this guy or get him, they settle down with Beta bucks. What we have now might look like a pretense because women still need men and cannot be completely open about their intentions. I don't think there will ever be a stage where there will be complete honesty as there won't be a stage when women don't need men at all.
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Do you think that closeness of SMV determines her moral character? As in, if her SMV closely matches yours her moral character is better, as opposed to if her SMV is far higher or lower it is worse? I dunno about that. IMHO a good woman is good regardless of the difference between her SMV and yours.
BewareTheOldMan 5y ago
I won't associate SMV directly to character, but I relate it more to effort. For instance, a higher SMV woman may not be inclined to infidelity, but she might not go out of her way to ward off other possible suitors.
The best she might give a lower SMV male is a heads up that "its' not working out," thus making herself free to move to the next man.
It speaks to a character issue on some level, but it's just basic hypergamy and a case of the other guy being perceived as a better option.
One of the problems with very pretty women is too many options. The exception to this is when she encounters a higher SMV male - then it's "game on" versus a lackadaisical effort.
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Good points, though I consider effort to be reflective of character. A high or low SMV woman who falls in love with a high or low SMV guy not because of his SMV but because they have, I dunno, let's say matching hobbies / sense of humor, moral values and goals for instance, has higher character (IMO) than the women you are talking about. I also like to call them "neo cortex" women. People like that are, of course, rare af.
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Man,Michael is on some Vodoo shit now.
I can relate....
Hillarysdilddo_2016 5y ago
I’ve read Michael's story more than once and it’s always good. However, most likely it’s a parable rather than a true story, but that’s irrelevant... the lesson is the value.
But other than the obvious lessons such as:
But what we see in reality is that instead this hedonistic mind virus is actually a pathogen designed to destroy the people who consume it. We see that both men and women lose, and society is destroyed as a byproduct. However, I guarantee you others profit in this sea of chaos as nothing is without purpose.
Regardless, now what did Michael do wrong?
He’s a dunce. An herb. He’s a naive fool playing “fair” in a game where everyone cheats. You don’t beat a liar or a cheater by playing with integrity. The game is rigged and the objective as stated is unwinnable. But he’s too foolish to see that so he goes through his adult life growing more and more bitter and jaded that women aren’t confirming to his idealistic worldview.
He should have introspected on his beliefs and modified them. He’s angry the hot girls didn’t choose him. Well they didn’t want “marriage” they wanted cock. So why did he not adapt and give them cock instead? He was “saving himself” for this unicorn that does not exist all the while the cognitive dissonance masking him more and more resentful.
Drop these fairy tale beliefs and just treat whores like whores. Then you can let go of the resentment. You cannot control these heathens so don’t even try. Accept the fact that unbridled whoredom is the modern zeitgeist and if you’re going to get angry it’s misdirected at the individual. Where do these ideas of whoredom come from? Who spreads them? These whores are just acting with accordance to their inherent biological programming and social conditioning.
If Michael wants a virgin wife then he’s going to have to go on a pilgrimage to a very conservative culture where family is idealized. He might need an arranged marriage or something similar because that concept in the west is toast. White western culture has been so completely decimated by the secular thought virus that there is no “culture” left in these peoples.
People like us are minority remnants amongst a totally destroyed peoples. Time will reveal how destroyed and whether or not they can be salvaged. There is a war going on right now whether you perceive it or not.
Blogginginvicecity 5y ago
Thank you for iterating this. There are people who profit off of fucking over others, and their label (IMHO, at the end of the day) transcends race/religion. Their income sources are laundered through beaurocracy with an overall air of legitimacy. With power comes responsibility, and a few in power may be held responsible in times to come.
Meanwhile of course, the conditioned scapegoat grunts bear the brunt of the blame, as they wear the face of decay for those in power who hide behind silk curtains of moral authority.
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I know a lot of Muslims folks that can help with that...
Blogginginvicecity 5y ago
Funny how both PC feminists (men and women) and men (Michael) looking for stability and happiness will convert to the most based. But don't tell them that, because being based is not PC! Don't wanna be regressive now!
escalover 5y ago
The thought of converting has entered my mind more than once, to be quite honest about it. I already have a beard so...
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Yeah,You can join them and they will provide a wife for you who will respect you in every way possible.
Its tempting,I can relate....
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Yeah,You can join them and they will provide a wife for you who will respect you in every way possible.
Its tempting,I can relate....
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Is u for real?
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RegRobillard 5y ago
That's not my experience. Muslim women have higher social status than traditional Christian women if you compare their religious books but the chain of command is written extremely clearly in the Quran.
"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."
Quran, An-Nisa Verse 4:34
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RegRobillard 5y ago
It's not my experience with Muslims. There is a weird hybridization of Islam and feminism in some countries but this is still the minority of homes. People who hang out with westerners tend to be from a more secular background. The only women I've met who genuinely fit the role of traditional wife and mother have been (Arab and North African) Muslim women
[deleted] 5y ago
At least....Hope is there.
I guess we all know what is going to happen...
moroots 5y ago
hmmm I'm reminded of an favorite (para)- phrase of the THOT-iverse
"if you didnt want me at my worst, you dont deserve me at my best"
the irony is indeed delicious
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And Dalrock's WordPress blog being taken down in 3... 2..1....