Oftentimes, we see some people defending the profiles of single mothers we showcase in our sub. Their excuses mainly fall in one of two categories:
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It was not her fault. She made mistakes due to a lack of maturity. Now that she is mature, you need to treat her like an adult.
- It is not the kid's fault. Just because her mom is a whore does not mean the kid has to suffer. Rail on the mom all you want, but we should make sure that the kid is treated fairly.
We know that excuse number one is bullshit. I've had an entire post on how women don't really mature and how they only use the path to maturity as an excuse for promiscuity.^1 Every regular in our sub has heard this nonsense and has had enough experience to understand the folly of this sentiment.
Number two, on the other hand, is tricky. Although it sounds noble and idealistic, it is impractical, unrealistic, flawed, naive and prone to misuse.
Women, whether they want to assume responsibility of this or not, are rational adults of legal age and are capable of making decisions for which they will have to face the consequences. Choosing to go for piece of shit men is something these women did of their own volition. The action and its consequences are entirely on them. Just because she made poor choices does not mean we should bail her out for her shitty choices. This suggestion completely removes all the accountability from a woman who chooses to go for such men.
While I sympathize for the hard road ahead for the kid, I do not necessarily think that it is anyone's responsibility to bail out that kid. If anything, it is the responsibility of the single mother to be a great role model to her kid. Having said that, if she fucks a thug and suffers the consequences, that's on her. If her kid suffers because of her inadequacy, she can put the kid up for adoption. If she does not want to keep the kid, she should abort. But you won't see these women do that nine times out of ten. This is because of several reasons. Primary of those is that these women don't consider themselves incompetent. Worse still, society does not consider these women incompetent. They actually cheer these incompetent women, praising their incompetency in finding a suitable partner to raise a kid with.
One of the other reasons, that is bound to draw some ire, is that these women don't really consider the well being of the kid when they decide to keep the kid (just like how they lacked forethought when they fucked that future abusive ex). Along with the motherly instinct, these women keep their kids for selfish reasons also. They want to achieve some goal that is precious to them through motherhood: passing down her genes, locking down that thug etc.^3
Women who put their kids before themselves give up their whorish ways, put their kids well being first and toil to provide the kid a better life than they themselves had a chance at. After all, that is the point of being a parent, right? Unfortunately, that is not what a lot of single mothers do.
The father and the mother play different roles in a kid's life. Both are essential and complimentary to each other. When someone decides to kick out (or to do without) one half of this equation, as single mothers often do, both responsibilities fall on them. If they fuck this up, that will be on them on top of fucking up in choosing a good life partner in the first place. Now, people might not consider it fair that the kid has to suffer because of this mess. But, life does not give you safety nets like society will. It does not matter it was the mom who fucked up. The kid will, inevitably, have to face the consequences for her fuckup. This is what people do not realize about poor parenting. As with almost everything, you either pay upfront or you pay with interest later.
Moreover, when you decide to go against the tried and tested rules of society, you can no longer expect society to have your back. As the famous saying on crime goes, "The problem with living outside of the law is that you cannot count on the law to save you". And that is the point of contention for most people who use the second excuse. They want to extend the same benefits to law breakers that are offered to people who are incentivized to follow the law. They might think it is a noble gesture but doing so would fuck up the stability of the society by fucking up the functional reward system in place. We already see the effects of this currently all over the world.
On the other hand, looking at excuse No.2 from an evolutionary point of view, this suggestion does not make any sense either. If you reward a whore for fucking a degenerate, take a guess on what kind of people this will encourage to reproduce. There is a reason societies all over the world have certain rules and incentivize certain behaviors over others. Just because we want to save everyone does not mean everyone can be saved or should be saved.
Taking a closer look at the psychology of the single mothers in question reveals another major issue also. Notice this photo. Specifically, notice...
I want my ride or die.
For those who don't know, Ride or die was used to denote biker chicks who ride the back seat. The phrase is used to denote a woman who is so devoted to you she will risk her life for you and that if she can't ride with you, she'll rather die. Notice how the woman here flipped the gender. Most of these single mothers who chase after the alphas (AF then AB) tend to assume the position of the alpha in the relationship themselves when they settle with betas. Although this is true of every girl with an enormous n count, this is glaringly true in the case of (most of the) single mothers. This is one of the reasons why these girls are the worst bets a man can make. There is not one family that I've seen, where the girl was in charge that was successful. Not one.
Women are followers. They value strength. If you make them leaders, they will look down on you and will turn all their contempt on you. They don't know how to treat people weaker than them. Look at how liberal women treat poor people. Other than the masked condescension these women show, their display of compassion serves the main purpose of them showcasing said compassion to the world. There are only two kinds of people I've encountered who do any kind of public service: people who are relatively happy and want to make those around them happy and people who are miserable and want to fill that hole with something else. People who want to uplift others or people who want to distract themselves from their actual problems.
Most women who protest for anything are not the first kind. They are there to make themselves feel better. I've known women who are fanstastic on paper. They set up protests, rallies, support and fight for minorities. But, in private, most of them have confessed their desire for a strong husband. If only they had a good man, they would have everything in life. These women, as you might have guessed, were all old, lonely and miserable. The vigorousness of their protests was directly related to the level of misery they had in their lives. On the other hand, I've never seen women who were happy with their family participate in many of these rallies. Sure, they might support these rallies morally. But you will rarely see them on the forefront. Because they have other shit to do and to take care of. Primarily, their families.
Women love differently to men. She will never be your equal. The disney love is never meant to be. A woman's love is admiration, respect and devotion. That is the dynamic the phrase "Ride or die" emphasizes. These women are not capable of that. Worse still, these women look at the entire ordeal as a Hero's journey and, of course, they place themselves at the position of the heros.
While society and feminism has done a bang on job convincing women that they are the mental point of origin in their life and that they need to be utterly selfish, their psychology does not agree with this. Women value strength in men. They want to lock down one of these strong men and make him emotionally invest in them. That is the essence of their dream and the crux of the Alpha bucks phenomenon that they so want. Unfortunately for these women, they do not understand that opposites attract. A strong man has his eyes on a feminine woman. By the very nature of things, they cannot attract a strong man when they "toughen up" themselves. Any man, especially betas, only serve the role of an accessory to these women.
Look at any "Strong woman RomComs" and you will see a few things play out. Locking down an Alpha bucks by her "uniqueness", turning an alpha fucks into an Alpha bucks by her "uniqueness" and, especially, the Alpha capitulating his power to this woman and allowing this woman to be the primary player in the relationship. By the very nature of things, this is never going to happen. There is no way an alpha, who knows his value, is going to do this. A man who had to build himself up, through hard times, is not going to supplicate. Experience and maturity makes men hard. Women want you to be the lover and a master at the same time. You cannot get both, especially the longer it takes for a man to become accomplished.^2 Guys who are good to fit the role of the master will not let his subject dictate his actions. These women, to satisfy their egos, go against their very biology. As part of that, not only do they assume the role of the alpha male in the relationship themselves and relegate their men to accessory roles, they use their children as accessories also. These children are used, knowingly or unknowingly, to gain sympathy in life and in dating. The demands single mothers used to have does not go away. Matter of fact, every demand they used to have will now come with the justification of their status of single motherhood. She wanted the best before being a single mother? Now she must have it because she is a single mother. You see, it is just a pre-requisite for her position.
It should be clear, at the end of this lengthy post, why single mothers are reviled for what they are. It is not just because of their lack of character or lack of restraint or lack of forethought. There are deep rooted psychological reasons why they are unsavory to any man of noticeable worth.
^2 If women had to chose, they will always go for the master. But if you ask them, they will say that they will always prefer the lover.
^3 One of the common misconceptions people have is that the only unconditional love you'll ever get is your mother's love for you. But, even that is not unconditional. At the very least, it is predicated on the condition that you are her kid.
Edit: Just came across this post. Goes very well to show you some of the things being talked about here.

[deleted] 6y ago
That doesn't imply "fantastic on paper" to me. That implies she has no time for me or a family. It also implies she's unrealistic. "Give these people with the same rights you have, the same rights you have!" is circular. She won't be able to stop without erasing her own self-validation and she definitely won't be able to spend time on me or our children. Whether you agree politically with me won't make her sit down at the dinner table and not rant about how horrible the world is and how much she will make it better. It won't make her spend time with me or with our children. It will replace her family in her life.
[deleted] 6y ago
My mom has always warned me about never getting involved with single-mothers. I have heeded her advice. One of her brothers married a single-mother, but he got very lucky. She turned out to basically be super wife. Like, if he called her and said he'd killed someone, I do not doubt for an instant she would show up with shovels and already have a placed for the corpse planned out. Eh, that might have come out wrong. I meant that she is extremely devoted to him and can be trusted utterly.
kyledontcare 6y ago
If she had any maturity she would go back to the dude she made the kid with and try to be a family. He will have the most vested in her.
loneliness-inc Mod 6y ago
Great post as always!
Colttaine has some great material on this subject. I'll have to find it for you. Edit, it's a long one but we'll well well worth the time. You can play it on 1.5 speed if you're paying attention. Here it is u/moorekom
What. The. Fuck!!!!!! Can someone please call child protection on this shit mother? Seriously..... What a piece of shit!
moorekom Mod 6y ago
I'll check out the link soon. There are two kinds of abuse: physical and emotional. Guess what women tend to gravitate towards.
loneliness-inc Mod 6y ago
Hmmmm I hmmmmmed......
NohoTwoPointOh 6y ago
I always fall back to the driving example. In a shunt (or car wreck), there usually isn't one mistake that led to the crash. It is almost always a series of bad decisions that resulted in the crash. In terms of single mothers:
So yeah...Unless we're talking rape, we have several instances where she had 100% full control over the decision-making process. Yet she still made a string of bad decisions. In EVERY SINGLE example, the woman has control where the male has none.
You brought up the RomCom example. Another feature of a RomCom is a perfectly rational male accepting a woman who clearly has emotional or mental deficiencies--usually around decision making. The female fantasy of "accepting my quirks" really means "excusing my poor decisions and not holding me accountable".
Great post!
ETA: Danke, merci, arigato gozaimashita and thank you, random stranger!
[deleted] 6y ago
You forgot this:
All the rest wouldn't matter if she'd just abstained in the first place. The same for the man, I admit.
bigdaveyl 6y ago
Modification to #7: She could give child up for adoption
NohoTwoPointOh 6y ago
..or take advantage of "Safe Haven" sites and drop the baby off at the nearest police office.
moorekom Mod 6y ago
Women and responsiblity. They don't co-exist unless made necessary and held accountable.
[deleted] 6y ago
Only when they're forced to as they were for millions of years.
tehnico 6y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNKIjLLZMWs
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[deleted] 6y ago
I think women never got that memo.
NohoTwoPointOh 6y ago
100% control of HIS actions, but 0% control of the outcome or progression to the next step. Women choose.
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NohoTwoPointOh 6y ago
Understand all of that. But let's say you did fall prey to the trollops. No one would be lauding you for being some brave and noble creature for your mistakes. In the case of modern society and single mothers, that is exactly what is going on.
And your first half of this sentence is roughly my point. If it took 3 keys to launch a nuke instead of two, and women held two of the keys, who should hold the most responsibility not to unleash the atom on the earth?
For the sake of discussion, I'll go with your two-key example, though I can't say I fully agree. In the two-key example, should not both parties be vilified for a negligent launch? Again, I find it is more of a 3-key system where the woman is the captain and XO (where the man is more of a 3rd officer in the equation). I say this not to shift responsibility, but more along the lines of the rules of nature where the woman is the selector.
Atomix99 6y ago
Valid point
anyoneinamerica 6y ago
I typically don't wax religious and don't intend to at this point. However, I had a theological discussion a while back with a church pastor regarding the 10 commandments. They gist of the story is this:
Of the 10 Commandments set forth by God, which one is the most important to uphold (All are, but for sake of discussion)?
The answer, in this discussion, was "Thou Shalt not Steal." The reason being is that all other commandments could be covered by not stealing. Killing is stealing someones life, adultery is stealing someones wife, theft is stealing someones property, putting others before God is stealing his respect, etc.
Using this logic: being a THIEF is the worst type of sinner because a thief can steal anything and you do not know what they are capable of or what they will steal next.
Furthering this logic: Single mothers, with the exception of widows, are no more than thieves. Through their choices they have stolen a wife from a man, stolen a father from a child, stolen money and property from a man, stolen pride and respect from a man, and stolen pride and life lessons from their children that only a father can provide them. To add insult to injury they spend their days trying to steal wealth and time from others to support their selfish natures (under the guise of a relationship).
In my not so humble opinion, all of these thefts are bad; but the worst offense is stealing pride and life lessons from their children. There are a whole set of things that boys and girls learn from their father (in a two parent household) that they cannot learn from their mother alone. These things are too numerous to list, but they include the basics like: Honor, integrity, dealing with adversity, fight/flight, how to a 'good man' treats women, how a real woman should expect to be treated by a "good man", work ethic, self discipline, etc.
Even if the single mother remarries another man, these things are typically not taught to the children because they are HER children and not the step-dad's. A step-dad/father is not a father. He is a man that provides love, affection, attention, affirmation, and financial support to the woman, but he is not a father in that he is prohibited from disciplining and showing fatherly affection to the children. He is prevented from being in a place of honor and respect for the children's growth milestones. Most importantly, he is publicly and repeatedly told in front of the children that he isn't their father. This undermines his respect and usurps his authority in the home and shows the children a man is just a utilitarian object...nothing more than a slave and should be treated as such.
Single mothers, through bad choices/decision and their own selfishness, steal from their children--the skills, love, approval, and self esteem that they need to be stable, productive, and disciplined adults in their future. We currently have 2 generations of children where a large percentage were raised by single mothers and their lack of simple social skills, work ethic, self control, and self discipline is a direct result. Those children have become adults and do not have the knowledge and wisdom to pass those traits to their progeny so the cycle repeats itself. At some point the system and society can not bear the burden of coddling these adult children and it will collapse.
DeeplyDisturbed1 6y ago
This is a really good way of looking at it. I have always said that I hate thieves more than just about any other type of criminal, but I never had a good reason why.
anyoneinamerica 6y ago
Thanks. I’m not fond of thieves either. It seemed to fit the topic (at least in my mind) so I ran with it.
Opinions and assholes kind of thing.
Yithar 6y ago
I 100% agree with this. I am the product of a single mother. My situation is a bit unique as my father is still alive and I could go visit him right now if I wanted to, but I don't really want to.
Basically my dad had come back from an affair in New York, and that's really how I was born. My older brother was planned. I was never planned. My parents divorced when I was 4 years old.
So I grew up with a single mother. Now I admit she did her best, but that doesn't mean there wasn't poor parenting going on. For example, she lost her temper a lot. But she was also a human being with flaws, not a saint.
I would say that it isn't fair that the kid has to suffer this mess. The kid never asked to be born in this world. But life isn't fair. That's just the reality of life.
[deleted] 6y ago
We're all here and alive to learn and get stronger, despite the obstacles we face. You sound like a pretty measured guy for someone who grew up in tough circumstances. Good shit bro.
[deleted] 6y ago
This sums the women in relationships these days. Choose wisely gents. Some women can be coached and taught. But a lot of them are not teachable because of the sheer bitchy attitude, slutting around.
hl100orsmth 6y ago
Some can be coached by their fathers, early in life.
If society gets a grip on them, it's game over.
Women can't stand alone like some men can. She will conform either to her father or society (and in 2019 that means she'll be a slut with 20+ partners by the age of 20). They really believe they are just "having fun". Thats how much they are out of it.
houseoftolstoy Mod 6y ago
In this clown world we call Earth, single mothers are even praised as heroic, as if it their status was not due to their poor choices. Instead, we see all the blame on the men who impregnated them. Sure, those men are bad, but why the hell are these women choosing them in the first place? There is nothing heroic about having bad judgment and providing a bad environment for your own children to grow up in.
Regarding point 2:
You can feel sympathy for the children, but that should not obligate any man to have any involvement with a single mother. The shaming that men receive for not wanting to date single mothers just shows that they believe that women should be owed a man's love and attention (and resources). And they say that men are the ones who feel entitled!
If they really believed in the idea that "you should not punish the kid," they would not accept the raising of these children by the single mother. But as you said, they see no reason to mark these women as incompetent. Almost any case of claiming to do something "for the children" is a farce. The children are just the shield they use to get what they want. They demand laws to make sure that men have to pay child support to the woman, but never check to make sure the woman actually uses that money for the child. When it comes to failing schools, the accusations to the opponents of the school system is that they are trying to take money away that is for the children, but most of that money just feeds the teacher's unions and the bureaucracy. Children are just a tool to these people to get resources, not what they actually care about.
If single mothers cared about their children, they would make sure they would be raised in a better environment, where their father is a reliable man that stays with the mother. But since they are selecting for traits that are antithetical to being a good father, it is no wonder single mothers became single mothers.
BewareTheOldMan 6y ago
This is one point of contention that really sticks in my craw - the idea that other men who were NOT present when the kid was being produced, was never part of the enjoyment of producing the kid, and has ZERO biological ties is expected to assume responsibility for another man's child/children. The insult is that the biological father can't be bothered with his OWN child/children.
Many women either have no idea or no concern how much it negatively affects children - especially girls/women - their OWN father gives zero f##ks about them.
Whenever I ask, no one can ever tell me how a childless man dating and/or marrying a single mother benefits these men? NO ONE can provide a good answer...and I mean no answer. Every scenario benefits the single mother and/or the kid(s), but never the stepdad.
I also advise never-married and childless men that being a stepdad in any way is a MAJOR financial risk. The dating market is FLOODED with single mothers - be careful out there and don't get caught up. It's so bad that if a single mother takes a man to court who is NOT the biological father, he can be required to pay court-ordered child support for kids he DID NOT produce - it's called "paternity by estoppel" - https://tabanolaw.com/paternity-by-estoppel/ - most childless men have NO IDEA this is a real possibility for playing stepdad even for a short while. It varies from state to state, but dating or marrying a single mother is a trap!
bigdaveyl 6y ago
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this applies to more than single motherhood.
I am thinking of writing an essay about how telling women they are so "beautiful" or whatever, when they are objectively not, does a lot of damage to them.
moorekom Mod 6y ago
Do so and post it here. Just make sure to tie it to our central theme and show how it leads them to ask the big question: "Where have all the good men gone?"
[deleted] 6y ago
Keep on with the fight. Single mothers are the greatest contributor to crime.
BewareTheOldMan 6y ago
This actually relates to one of the talking points in July's Democratic Debate. One of the candidates interjected and screamed about "fixing the schools and the broken education system" as a technique to stop the school-to-prison pipeline that results in over 70 percent of these kids ending up as inmates.
ALL politicians are painfully aware that single mothers are a contributing factor that directly correlates to the bulk of the prison population, and one of the reasons these kids either don't attend classes or fail out of school in the first place. These kids are suffering as a result of bad decisions by single mothers. Being born into poverty makes getting a basic education to graduate high school much more difficult for kids of single mothers.
The bigger issue is that NO CANDIDATE would dare criticize single mothers in today's society. Any candidate who does so tanks his chances for making it to the next debate, much less has any chance at being president.
666sdk666 6y ago
Point one is simple enough, yeah, it’s her fault. And yeah, treat her like an adult by allowing her to accept responsibility for her actions. Because that’s what adults do.
Point two is also simple enough. No, it’s not the kids fault. But also, no it’s not the responsibility of anyone but the parents to provide for them. And the saw about “manning up” is just a cash grab from anyone who subsequently sticks their dick in them by making a cuckold out of them. And there’s NOTHING more shameful to a man than being a cuckold.
Guys, take a hard pass on single moms. There’s nothing in it for you but grief and perhaps the occasional orgasm. And for that it’s orders of magnitude cheaper to just pay at the hole. Market price for the one and only thing of value they have to offer and not one penny more.
[deleted] 6y ago
Jeebus, the cringe of that pic. She'll be banging all his friends in a few years.
frikabg 6y ago
I don't understand why you spend so much time defending yourselve / other men for not wanting to take responsibility for someone elses kid. It is not your kid it is someone elses there is no moral ground on which you can stand and hold any men responsible for not caring about said kid to say the least if we are going to expect men to take care of random children then by all means let us apply the same rules to random women and hold them equally responsible. Not my kid not me problem i and the rest of the male population NEVER claimed responsibility for all the children on the planet and everyone who disagrees can fuck right off! You are not in a position to tell me what i should be responsible for and if you care so god damn much i am not stopping you go and take care of ALL the children in the world!
ValuableRope 6y ago
Because it's necessary. Society nowadays indoctrinate men into thinking that there's any nobility in caring for the women mistakes known as 'out-of-wedlock-kids'.
DeeplyDisturbed1 6y ago
Dude. Punctuation. FFS.