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There is a certain subreddit that discusses female dating strategy. You need to be aware of this. This subreddit portrays itself as a self interested dating strategy site for "high value women". In reality it's a Machiavellian subreddit populated with hateful, delusional women trying to go all dark triad. Here's what you need to know.
This subreddit encourages women to:
--withhold sex until a man commits and while getting a man to commit, to have sex with men they don't want commitment from, and lie to men about it
--insist that a man pay for everything while dating him
--refuse to date men who offer to "go Dutch"
--cheat on husbands and boyfriends
--ride the cock carousel
--overtly lie about how many men they've had sex with
--marry men for provisioning ability and money, rather than for affection, common interest, or sexual attraction
--use fraud, deceit and subterfuge to extract provisioning from men while dating them
--assert maximum power over their interactions with men by any means necessary for the express purpose of using, exploiting, and taking advantage of the men they date/have relationships with
--demand that any man interested in them demonstrate all the interest, take all the risk and initiative, do all the pursuing, and do all the work on the relationship
Supposedly, this is all for the purpose of showing that these women are "high value" and to extract commitment from high value men.
The strategies usually don't work to get the men they say they want. This is straight from the 1990s book The Rules by Sherri Schneider and Ellen Fein. Most attractive high value men will not put up with this kind of behavior from women. These are strategies tailor made to snag unattractive men, because they tolerate this behavior.
The attractive men they say they want (players, pick up artists, high N men, high earning men) won't commit to these kinds of women. They will have sex with other women while "dating" these women. Then if they get sex from these alleged "high value" women, they'll move on afterwards, or perhaps after a few weeks or months. These women get nothing other than fleeting short term relationships with such men, because once those men get what they want, they move on, especially after the lying, cheating, and manipulation take their toll.
The strategies ultimately destroy the relationships they do get. These strategies also snag unsuspecting good men, including some attractive men. But in the end, the lying, cheating, manipulation and dysfunction always cripple and kill the relationship. These strategies lead to resentment, dead bedrooms, and divorce rape.
Their high value is sexual only, which doesn't get them what they claim to want. Lying, cheating, and using and exploiting men are not behaviors of high relationship value women. It's common for high sexual market value women to act like this. It's common for sexually promiscuous women to act like this. It's common for dysfunctional women with mental illnesses or personality disorders to act like this. It's common for sociopathic women to act like this.
Women who follow this strategy will bounce around from relationship to relationship because the men they're attracted to won't put up with it, and the men who will put up with it can't keep their interest long enough. When an unattractive man she's exploiting is finally bled dry, she'll discard him like a used tissue and move on to the next one. Don't be that man.
Women know how to behave well with men they want. They also know when they're not behaving in manners conducive to good relationships. Women know how to be bitches and how not to be bitches. So when a woman is being a bitch to you, most of the time she knows it and is doing so intentionally, or knows it and just doesn't care.
A high relationship value woman is honest, faithful, loyal, attentive, a clear communicator, reliable, giving, compassionate, practices good physical and mental self-care, does what she says she'll do, and does what her man asks of her. It is true that all women have it in them not to be these things. But a high relationship value woman at least tries to do these things.
They expressly rely on deceit and manipulation to achieve their objectives. Women who employ this kind of strategy are clear: They will manipulate, use, exploit, and take advantage of you. They will lie to you. They will manipulate you with sex. They will feign attraction to lure and fraud unsuspecting men into marriage, then cheat on you and divorce rape you. Even before they get you into marriage, they'll date you for months on end while they have sex with other men. They'll use you for your money. They'll use your time and attention. And you'll get nothing in return.
Guys, reviewing this material and thought process is helpful to understand what women are doing and what they want to do. It's being laid out there in black and white for you to see. They're telling you clearly what their plans are for you.
To highlight how bad things are, here is what one of their moderators has to say:
The “average chump” is most men. Hilarious that men like to deceive themselves that they’re better than that, but at the end of the day, most of you are the same. Some suggestions at sex and a little attention, makes you stupid and women will continue to capitalize on that. The guy we oogle in magazines is the very small minority of men, and is the one that we cheat on our boyfriends and husbands with when we’re bored, and because dick is so cheap.
Next:
So yes, continue to delay sex with the one you actually want a relationship with and if you’re really horny, find some hot but unsuitable for relationship guy to fuck on the side to bide your time. It’s the only thing that works to get you to what you want from men, maximize benefit and stay one step ahead.
We’ve realized that when it comes to men, unless you show them that you can be just as toxic and just as shitty as they are, they never take you seriously and will walk all over you. If all women were aware of men’s manipulation tactics and not only had ways to spot and counter them, but also have tactics of their own, this dating market would be so much better for women. And that’s our goal.
Then:
we will continue to manipulate men as we see fit.
Indeed. As we've all seen.
Men calling us pieces of trash does nothing. It’s lost it’s sting and significance because we’ve now realized that men will shame women for literarily anything, esp if it does not fit their own selfish imperatives. As long as the women here are getting what they want, maximizing their benefits, even at the expense of men, then I’m good.
Next:
I’ll still continue to use the men I don’t want for money while fucking the ones I want, because men are incredibly stupid, easy to manipulate and dick is ridiculously cheap.
Going on:
I love being “equally bad”. Because that’s what men deserve. And until women use more men and discard them like the trash they are, you idiots will never learn.
Next:
Women have a lot more value than men and are the ones that choose who to have sex with and be in a relationship with. Men’s only value is money and if anyone should be submitting, its the man.
Pay close attention to that one up there. That's what they really think.
[what's being described here is the woman making the man stop during sex, just before ejaculation, for the purpose of "training him" and sexual dominance.] You ladies make me so proud. Love this. Done it a few times and the results were similar to what you described. My guy whined and bitched for a while, eventually did what I wanted him to do and then got rewarded with sex after he was done. Worked like a charm.
Sadistic.
No past hurt here, but knowing the fact that men are only useful for money has actually really improved my dating life and helped me find better men.
Then look at this clear description below of how to manipulate men into relationships. This happens all the time. Don't let it happen to you:
My advice is that if you see a potential relationship with a particular guy, wait at least 6 weeks before having sex with him.
Use those 6 weeks to suss out his intentions towards you and build a good relational foundation before jumping into sex. It’s also a good way to weed out the guys that are just looking for sex. Feel free to talk about sex with him during those 6 weeks, flirt and [ed. lie] show that you’re sexually attracted to him [ed. feign attraction for the purpose of reining him in] and look forward to having sex with him when the “time is right”.
If you have a high libido and feel sexually frustrated, you can either invest in a good vibrator, or find some other guy that you’re attracted to but you know won’t be good relationship material, just to tide you over in the meantime. Ideally someone you’ve known before and can trust to be discrete, clean and is STI free.
Another bit of "strategy" dooming a couple to beta bux, dead bedroom, and divorce rape:
If he actually offered exclusivity, and you guys were confirmed bf/gf, but you were still dating other men on the side, then you have two options:
1.) Lie about seeing other men and paint it as a misunderstanding on his part
2.) Leave him or allow him to leave.
If you enjoy sleeping with the FWB and you know you won’t be able to hold off on sleeping with the “potential relationship” guy, if you weren’t at least getting your sexual needs met somewhere else, then keep both for now.
Because sleeping with the relationship guy too soon can ruin your chances with him. He does not need to know about the FWB guy. There is no benefit to being “upfront” with the truth about seeing other guys. If you’re having difficulty lying, then you need to ask yourself what’s more important to you. The guy you’re trying to get into a relationship with, or him potentially leaving because he’s insecure due to your honesty.
Guys, it's all right there. Read it and be edified, and know that what we have told you is the truth.
4) What they get right: Most men can be easily manipulated with sex. So, don't let a woman manipulate you with sex. You guide and steer the relationship. She can get out of the car anytime she wants, but you drive. You ALWAYS drive. And, women want men to love them. Men really don't want love from women. Men want their women to respect them. Men want their women to do what they ask them to do and to help do what needs done. Men want their women to go with them where they want to go. Men want their women to help them both get there.
This has been a public service announcement. Be well, my friends.
scotchnstout 4y ago
Honestly I haven''t been this disgusted in a good long while, these females are mental.
RedPill_Dragon 4y ago
Everything I read just made me celebrate being MGTOW Monk even more.
BlackPilledYekke 4y ago
As much as the FDS crowd wants to appear special and show off that they have achieved a higher outcome, their “strategies”, or rather tactics are unfortunately lagging instead of leading.
For those women below 24 (the highest attraction years), the awakening to FDS is precipitated by repeated pump n dumps, not by a desire to settle down. The N count reported is high, the alphas that ran through her never consider her for main b*tch status, and she’s simply out to reject them in spite. She desires a high value man, as long as that character can be swiped right on.
Where FDS completely lags is the public nature of their tactics. Any smart tactician wouldn’t reveal the secret sauce, instead tailoring themselves to the social group they move in. On too, several of the 48 laws of power were violated, the most severe one being law 1: never upstage the king (the mother in law). Rich men tend to have mothers that see through a GF’s motives in a snap.
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Those aren't women. They are more like hyenas. I have no doubt such women exist, but most men can see them a mile out if they don't let themselves get blind.
mabev43568 4y ago
The only good advice for women can come from:
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-An ugly/average woman
-Who locked and alpha (a true alpha, not just somebody rich/high status/famous)
-Has been married to him for at least a decade
-Still loves his husband
-His husband has lot of options, but decides to remain with her.
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That woman should really know how to treat a man.
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But most advice on that subreddit comes from woman who completely failed at relationships, and still have the narcissism of pretending that they can give romantic advice to other women.
[deleted] 4y ago
It's over for humanity rip
TomahawkSuppository 4y ago
Lol, well they are welcome to behave any way they want. As for me, I’m going fishing.
[deleted] 4y ago
Honestly this post just sounds like trollxers complaining about the redpill.
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These girls came up with a simlar sexual strategy and you are all know bitching about it?
[deleted] 4y ago
These strategies work with betas, not with alfas or redpilled alfas in the way.
I got a similar situation with a snob thot that was already post-wall woman. She wanted me to stop having sex, to cut it out because she was tired and she didn't wanted me to finish. That relationship ended right there.
Now she's the same frustrated thot thinking she can have valuable men and dominate them with such stupid tactics.
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Women do love men. A woman can love a man.
She expresses that love in the form of respect, admiration, and fear. She does what he asks of her. She goes with him where he goes. She admires him. She fears not only his physical superiority, but also incurring his disappointment. She works hard to avoid disappointing him. She wants to be with him.
Women are sexually attracted to men who inspire those feelings in them.
This is why women will often say "I love you but I'm not in love with you" to husbands they're about to cheat on or divorce. That translates to
Ashpern 4y ago
this is the red flag that any guy, if they see, needs to divorce as quick as possible. It is over and hell will follow if you don't.
magicmikefx 4y ago
It's not you its them. Consistently delivering facts and adjusting behaviour to deal with said facts is quickly becoming worthy of shame and torment in this social environment
Carry on
no_its_a_subaru 4y ago
I know exactly where your coming from; it’s starting to get to the point where I get angry when women use the word “equality”; sometimes it’s like we’re not even the same species. The sad part is that I’ve had more success with women by going through a phase where I was legitimately disgusted by them; I full heartedly think of them as lessers. I would call them dumb dogs but even the dumbest dog is loyal and can take orders. They are grown bodies with a stunted toddler mind. Really think about it, in order to keep women interested in you as a man you have to withhold: commitment, affection, love, interest, attention, and resources.... what kind of retarded, sick, stunted psychopath craves that kind of environment and treatment.
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bansheeman 4y ago
“Toxic”.... so hot right now. Everything is toxic bro, like, wtf
MrPernicious 4y ago
I have actually had a girl try to pull this stunt (although she initiated the "Are you seeing other people" talk). She tried to pass it off as a misunderstanding at first, then wanted to go to couples therapy and then offered a 1 sided open relationship so I could "get even". Even blue pilled me back then walked away and I ended up with messages from her friend saying she was self harming and asking why I wouldn't give her another chance.
It's truly awful advice. They don't realize that they may eventually meet a decent guy, catch feelings and then feel guilty or be found out and dumped. I feel sorry for them, such a short sighted tactic.
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It is absolutely beyond me why unmarried people would go to couples therapy.
If your relationship with someone you're not even married to is so bad, so toxic, and so dysfunctional that you need someone else's help to conduct the relationship or fix it, just break up. Couples therapy is a total waste of time. It's an even worse waste of time when you're not even married to each other.
You're not married. There's nothing to fix. There's nothing to salvage. There's no point. Just break up.
dday_throwaway3 4y ago
Agreed. Therapists are like churches. People go to the one that tells them what they want to hear.
If the therapist agrees that you are the problem, and the focus is on you to change, then your wife will stick it out for your sake.
If the therapist disagrees with your wife, then therapy over.
I find it somewhat obvious that therapy is not going to change anyone - this is who she is and who you are.
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The problem with therapy is that people misuse it and therapists don't do what they're supposed to do.
Psychotherapy or "talk therapy" is supposed to help give you insight, reveal your mental and emotional blind spots, show you things you're doing that are and are not working, and help you devise plans to make changes in your own life. Therapy is supposed to coach you on YOU making the changes, and helping YOU do the work. It's supposed to give you a diagnosis and then a plan for improvement.
Instead, people use therapy as a place to spend years bitching, crying and complaining about how shitty their lives are and blaming everyone else but themselves for their problems.
Therapists are supposed to see the clients/patients, assess them through mental and emotional profiles, diagnose them, devise plans for the patient to address the issues, and work toward getting them done with therapy because they've worked on and taken care of the problems.
A good therapist says
dday_throwaway3 4y ago
Marriage therapists, and resulting therapy, last about as long as they agree with the female party. That's my take away after spending $2500 before I divorced my wife.
Agreed. Ideally, therapists teach you practical exercises to balance your life, not lay on the couch and talk about your childhood. Approaches such as ACT, REBT or CBT provide toolsets to address personal urges and help you get to your core beliefs is the ultimate goal. Adults need help figuring out coping skill exercises like a cost-benefit analysis. More advanced tools address and dispute those beliefs that are not working for you.
MrPernicious 4y ago
We did. Without any couples therapy!
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She was an idiot. Telling her boyfriend, her boyfriend, that they should go to "couples therapy".
Piss on that. She's not even married. I'm not going to spend one minute in a counselor's office trying to fix a relationship with someone I'm not even married to.
ClockworkOrange92618 4y ago
As far as this whole strategy goes, it looks to be another case of women piggybacking on something men created (PUA). Except they are stuck in the early 2000's, when these pick-up artists were all the rage and the advice was mainly to deceive the other sex into thinking that you were alpha. So too are these women deceiving men, by claiming they're high value but offering nothing but sloppy seconds (thirds, etc.) of their body. Whereas men have since learned that improving yourself for real is the best way to attract women, these women are stuck still trying to deceive men for their own personal gain.
I wouldn't be too concerned though; just avoid women like this and they'll concern themselves more with cat adoption and wine drinking once they age out of the dating pool. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, true, but men are the gatekeepers of relationships. And while men can always improve themselves in an effort to get laid (money, status, etc.), women can't reverse what time does to their body and beauty. And if their body is their only asset, women like this may wake up one day to find out that the window to find a quality relationship is closed forever..
[deleted] 4y ago
Solid insight
psycho_knight7 4y ago
They should change there reddit name to "female deceiving strategy"
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Technically, once she dies, she won't be a slut anymore. So I guess the only option for these women is suicide?
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Better dead than.... Slut?
BluepillProfessor 4y ago
And why readers of this sub get such large righteous karma boners
whenuwork 4y ago
They seem to be always late to the party, piggybacking on what men did before. It's like they don't realize most rational men had already found tips and tricks to outplay most of these strategies of theirs that they're now coming up with. In any cases, both genders are just making things harder for each other.
no_its_a_subaru 4y ago
Women never make or build anything. They just use, consume, and now destroy. I’ve said this already and I’ll keep saying it; It amazes me how our species has not only survived for thousands of years but became the apex predator on this flying space rock.
minitntman1 4y ago
Consume Product, await next product.
whenuwork 4y ago
Sir, calm down. They don't just destroy everything. Sheesh
no_its_a_subaru 4y ago
I see you’re new to this. Enjoy your stay
Blogginginvicecity 4y ago
Reminds me of something I read recently.
EdwardSandchest 4y ago
women hate men they find unattractive, like you are choosing to fail them
DangZagnut 4y ago
To sum up, these women want money. That's it. Mind you, it's just a troll subreddit, but lets say some women actually buy into it.
Women don't care about sex, and before you argue, women don't enter relationships for sex. Sex is easy to get. even with "hawt guys". This is about relationships. And women do not form relationships with men unless they're getting something out of it. I know this sounds rational for all humans, the problem is women do it too and that needs to be known.
So these ladies think these are some sort of strategies. It's merely tactics. It'll work on some stupid guy with an inherence or some recently drafted sports guy, but that's it.
there are no "high value" women. Unless you're a virgin and a 10, you're not "high value". No one gives a shit about education and career in looking for a mate and mother of children. Sorry.
However, I support their message 100%, and hope all women follow these "strategies".
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You said that women don't enter relationships for sex cause they can get it easy and they get into relationships cause they're getting something out of it..other than sex. So my question is up till 3 years ago my financial status sucked. I was living paycheck to paycheck. I didn't have high smv. I was just fit,attractive and very confident. So how come many women wanted to enter a relationship with me and I was the one that always braking up with them? What did they get out of me? All I was offering was sex and a bit of fun time like hiking and gym together. Never spent more $ on them than they spent on me.
DangZagnut 4y ago
Men have a biological drive for sex.
Women have a transactional drive for sex.
Men transact relationships for sex.
Women transact sex for relationships.
Relationships generally involve the transaction of goods and services, be that money, protection, resources, social status, favors, entertainment, labor, etc.
Women transact sex to get all that, collectively, we can call all that "money" because that's what you'd have to pay to get all that from a third party without sex.
That's why women have orbiters or male friends at all.
Have you ever been with a girl, and cared about "If I keep fucking her, she'll finish that master's degree and then she'll start making a lot of money."
Or, "You know, this chick isn't particularly attractive, but I'll go down on her once in awhile because she owns a van and I need someone to help me move in a month when my lease is up."
You ever try to flirt with a superior in order to get a promotion? Dress a certain way to be sexually appealing so someone will buy you lunch? Have a bunch of chicks constantly texting you so you direct them toward you IG or got them to contribute to your snapchat and venmo you some money because you are just having a hard time with rent that month?
If none of those sounds like a plausible scenario for you, it's absolutely plausible for a woman.
That's the transaction. You, as a male, transact all that shit, in hopes of getting access to her moist hole, and women transact the moist hole to get all the shit.
It's completely complimentary. That's why female prostitutes exist and virtually zero male ones.
That's all my point is.
[deleted] 4y ago
I understand your point well and it's what happens with the majority of relationships. I was sharing my own experiences. The most I ever gave to a woman is sex and maybe protection since I'm fairly fit and muscular. But that's about it. Never spent more money on them than they spent for me. Never did any favours or help with anything in order to get sex. Thinking of it I always got more things done for me and favours. I heard that women love serving you as long as you can pull it off. It seems to be the case so far in my life. I give sex and protection and they give sex,caring (cooking meals for me,doing my laundry,backrubs),money spent on me and favours. I think it's pretty fair in my case. I am still not getting married or anything serious with anybody.
LordFa9 4y ago
Its called Briffault's Law
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If a women is a 10, she is high value regardless of n-count (within reason). The issue is that 10 is time dependent and starts fading pretty early, but she will never accept she isn't still a ten until she's 55 and a 6.
moorekom Mod 4y ago
High smv, mediocre rmv, low mmv.
microtome 4y ago
If you believe pre-marital sex is wrong, those are almost the same, and she'd be low value.
FewActinomycetaceae0 4y ago
agreed there are 3 markets, most 10's cant even make it past the honeymoon in RMV let alone MMV, and men know deep in their bones, you dont wife up a 10 unless you want to suffer for the next few years the most miserable beast that you can imagine before she divorce rapes you.
moorekom Mod 4y ago
Women don't care for sex itself. They care about what it represents: commitment from a high value man. No matter how much they wish they can change it, every society in the whole world still judges women by their capability to get a good man. All the "Waatgm" screeching is to blame shift. Men compete amongst themselves with their ability. Women compete against themselves with their ability to attain a high level man. This is why even these damaged women who are hunting for a beta bucks frame him as a high value man. Let's be honest here, this isn't going to get them any alpha guys, much less an Alpha bucks guy (whom they claim they will get through their strategies).
The best sexual strategy for a woman is simple: stay innocent, stay chaste, stay pretty, stay kind, stay feminine and stay motherly. That is as sweet of a deal as you can get. How dumb do you have to be to make extraordinary efforts to fuck that up.
Agreed.
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 4y ago
I might be quibbling about something that's really a different topic, but women DO care about sex. They might not care about it as much as men do, but they do want it.
Hell, that toxic cancer of a sub that IS the main topic even admits as much, with that entire spiel about "if you get too horny to wait while stringing along your relationship prospect, get an FWB who's attractive but not relationship material".
Plus the reason "Lysistrata" was a comedy (besides the happy ending), the BIG joke, was the preposterous idea that women could go on a sex strike and outlast the men.
And in my own experiences, there were some with whom I made it VERY clear that there was ZERO chance of anything long term, but they still wanted to fuck. Others, thanked me for my honesty and moved on.
They care about sex. They just have different priorities depending on their moods, ovulation, etc.
Ashpern 4y ago
women in their 40's care a lot about sex. It actually switches I have found. As guys get older they care less about it. Its natures little prank.
moorekom Mod 4y ago
Sure, women like sex. But, women don't care about it since it is cheap to them. All a woman ever needs to do to get laid is to let it happen. They care about commitment more than they care about sex. The fds spinsters use sex as a weapon against the beta and give it away to alphas because they know the AF guys are cannot be manipulated into giving away their commitment.
I haven't read Lysistrata so I cannot comment on it, but women going on a sex strike in a sex driven dating market (which they created) is doomed to fail miserably. Their only value is sex. They know it, the men who fuck them know it and even the men who would have wifed them up know it now too. There are still some betas who haven't caught up to the times, but isn't that how the law of averages works? Some percent of the population has to be dumb.
I-am-the-lul 4y ago
Lysistrata plot summary Only about 3 minutes long.
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 4y ago
I think we agree more than I originally thought. It's just when I see people say, "women don't care about sex" even as hyperbole it makes me laugh my ass off.
Lysistrata is worth checking out. Like many ancient Greek works, it has influenced many other works over the centuries. That, and it actually is pretty funny.
moorekom Mod 4y ago
I will check it out eventually. It has been on the list for a while.
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 4y ago
I hear ya. I have stacks of books I'll get around to reading eventually.
moorekom Mod 4y ago
Have you tried kindle yet?
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 4y ago
I have a Nook that I'd won at work several years back, and I'm not that thrilled with it. The problems I have with it would be there for a Kindle, too.
1) ebooks are just about the same price as real paper books every time I check. This is inexcusable, as most of the costs have been completely eliminated.
2) they can (and sometimes have) yanked back books that customers paid for.
If I'm paying top dollar for a book, I want it to be MINE, that I can keep no matter what and even mark in it if I want. If they charged say, only $2-$3 for an ebook, I could almost live with them being able to yank it back at any time. Just knowing they can do that really rubs me the wrong way, though.
moorekom Mod 4y ago
Never owned a nook but I did try it once at Barnes and nobles. From what I understand, it is very closed and you cannot side-load any books. All books need to be purchased from the nook store and downloaded to the device. You can side-load books into Kindle and kobo. I used to have a mini-library which became very cumbersome to move while relocating. That is the main reason I jumped to ebooks and kindle/kobo. Convenience is the huge selling point.
As for ebooks, I rarely pay full price (especially for fiction). There are some services like bookhub, ereaderiq and reddit subs like ebookdeals where you can get alerts for ebook deals that you are looking for. Everything else, download from library and buy a copy when the price drops or get it from gutenberg and sideload. Also, always download your digital copy and remove the drm so that you can have the copy you paid for. You can use calibre and de-drm for that purpose.
That said, I will admit that my preferred (still) is the mass market paperback. I suppose it is mainly nostalgia and familiarity that still attracts me to it. But, night light and portability has made ereaders my default.
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One of the questions I have is what a reasonable time to wait before sex is. If a woman gives it up to me the same night she meets me, she's probably done that with other guys as well, and therefore has a high partner count and isn't good for a relationship. On the other hand, you don't want to waste time on one of these bitches who's just stringing you along. So how much time/effort should you be willing to invest in a woman before moving on?
FewActinomycetaceae0 4y ago
It no longer matters anymore, all these thoughts applied 25 years ago, no even if she is a virgin, she will divorce rape you once she gets Alpha widowed from all the fantasies of the Divorce porn romance novels or twilights or 50 shades, so either way you cant win. Can you imagine, they can spin fantasies on their hamster wheel and the feelings that the fanatsies generate can actually alpha widow a virgin, HOW STUPID IS THAT! And if you are dating someone now, assume they have a high notch count, infact its inverse, the older they are the lower the starting notch count because the women coming out of high school have 10+ partners (conservative) easily if they are 7 or above, and another important factor is if they went to college, and if they commuted from home or lived on campus/off campus, the commuters will have a slightly lower notch count but not much, also if they were in a sorority, add +25 bodies
misfit2872 4y ago
If you're labeled a "Chad" by women, chances are you'll get sex on the first or second date.(Hell,if you're 'hawt' enough, probably only a few moments after meeting her.)Alphas never have to wait long for sex.If you're an average man.....get ready to jump thru abritary hoops for sex.They'll make average man crawl thru broken glass.....waste time, money,self worth to prove that he's "worthy" of having sex with an annoying,self indulgent female.What a joke....Jesus Christ.Dating isn't worth the hassle and simping.
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SwinginPastMyKnees_ 4y ago
It's moreso the fact that a Chad has more success with women in general, not just sex. Women actually put in effort to please him. They sleep with him on the first night because they hope that is enough to earn his commitment (usually isn't).
A Chad can be selective in women. Average guys have to do more to get (and keep) a woman's attention.
misfit2872 4y ago
I'm hardly impressed by most of the Chads I run across in real life.They tend to be shallow, arrogant douchebags who cruise thru life because of their physical appearance.(The Halo Affect.)The fact is that they do have a much easier time with dating/romance than the average man.You talk about creating a family and a good wife,but those things are difficult to abtain for an average man because he's invisible to women in today's world.Women dismiss and belittle most non-Chads....so a wide majority of men never get a chance to have a meaningful relationships with women.
FewActinomycetaceae0 4y ago
The only way to have families is to be single and use surrogacy if you have enough capital , passive income and if your job allows partial or full work from home, also no point unless you plan to home school them as i am not going through all the effort to just hand my kids to globohomo. I am actively working towards this goal, surrogacy in America is around 50K on the cheap end and i am only having sons. It will require shitload of sacrifice but 50K is literally nothing, you can have kids say 2 and then end up on child support $600 x 2 for 15 and 17 years (thats if they dont go to college or add 5 more years) if she divorces you at 7 year marriage and you will most likely see them two weekends a month, so compared to that 50K is a drop in the bucket, hell even $500k is not bad for surrogacy, and its cheaper in India , greece , estonia and other foreign countries and dont forget South america , even San juan or Puerto rico cause they dont have much money.
bansheeman 4y ago
Forget the words... it’s about the “vibe” or energy and it’s undeniable. When I meet a beta, it’s an obvious unspoken understanding that he’s a pathetic pushover
CosmicSpiral 4y ago
The cynical answer in the modern dating marketplace is "as little as strategically possible to get laid". If a woman doesn't judge you to be sexually attractive from the onset, she is not attracted to you period and is unfit for any sort of prolonged courting period, let alone a relationship. Any time a girl presses for commitment without sex, it will be for her benefit solely. Following the FDS brochure, you should always strive to be the FWB/'hot guy' instead of the boyfriend:
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CosmicSpiral 4y ago
Mind you, the deterioration of her ability to pair-bond and sympathize with partners is a natural repercussion of embracing the current SMP regardless of whether her past hookups had malevolent intentions. Self-restraint would erase most, if not all, of the ambiguities and regrets that come with free, inconsequential sex. Whether the recipient makes it a lifestyle or a rare occurrence doesn't change the outcome.
The operative assumption that "players" ruin women only works if the latter are empty automatons incapable of free will. Remember that dating culture right now is the end result of relentless, indefatigable advocacy by women on multiple frontiers. They demanded no-fault divorce, the Pill, the end of chastity and respect as aspirational mores, etc. It facilitates their sexual imperatives even as it destroys their capacity for individual happiness and contentment.
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What if you're one of the rare idiots left who's hoping to find someone suitable for starting a family? Trying to go into it with eyes wide open, of course.
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BluetoothMcGee 4y ago
And this is what separates MGTOW from the incels. The men from the boys, respectively.
EDIT: details.
Aptote 4y ago
he's not wrong, although i would add and emphasize "misguided"
thanks for quoting his now deleted comment
Svartanatten 4y ago
I hate and love that sub. It's partly like joker a decent into the mad mind (of a lonely cat lady).
These are older, lonely women who has so much hatred (probably about their life choices) towards men. Circle jerking trying to convince themselves they don't need a man.
I'm willing to bet they've been fuckzoned for ages without understanding why a man would fuck them with no thoughts of committing.
Most of the argument I've seen is basically gender swapped from male red pill communities or some weird hamster "logic".
Like the idea of a male wall seems to be something women truly want to believe in. And sure, purely pretty boys might hit the wall, but it's a rare exception for a man to be popular just by existing.
Men start their lives trying to climb the wall and gain value while women start valued since their fertility is their biggest treasure. And it's finite.
But what makes that sub truly sad is that they are unhappy about their lives trying to convince others to choose the same path. It's beyond evil, the kind of evil women shows towards each other.
Comparing it to say MGTOW, where there are plenty of TRP-rage aimed towards women, it's like that movie quote "men without accountability and reason".
Because in MGTOW men are trying to help other men to avoid the same misstake (marriage), while the people on FDS just hate on men without acknowledging their personal mistakes and promotes a life style that has left them hateful, bitter and barren.
Some clearly has just read on MGTOW/TRP and swapped the gender because the alternative would be realizing their own misstakes.
Another key difference lies in the female manipulation. Especially somewhat pretty girls will be so used to men putting up with their awful behavior that they don't see any wrong in pure manipulation.
Also, the herd mentality works like an echo chamber where women won't act independently and care about the opinions and actions of others to justify their own.
That sub is so red pill it's scary, they are open about how shitty they are and anything flies because, hurting men means nothing...
Aptote 4y ago
"crab mentality"
throwaway2468901 4y ago
Thanks for posting this. I'd add one thing I've seen on that subreddit (note that I have never commented or engaged with any of them). They encourage women to pursue their careers and then milk men for further resources on the side. IOW, both women and men have careers, women take money and resources from men while giving nothing back, thus furthering their own financial well being and getting ahead of everyone else as a result.
PMmeYourHopes-Dreams 4y ago
Hahaha, single women are mostly broke. Income does not equal wealth. They are horrible with their spending habits and don't invest like men do.
Nitrothacat 4y ago
Basically every relationship right here. Even my aunt who pulls in 100+K a year couldn't come close to affording her lifestyle if not for my uncle who makes over 500K.
moorekom Mod 4y ago
This is the natural dynamic that damaged women like this tend to belittle, mock and try to destroy. Damaged women want to have their egos protected after a life full of mistakes and their preferred way of going about it is to normalize behavior like this and to make it the new normal so that they would not stand out.
Women will submit to a man they are attracted to. While men are attracted to innocence in women, women are attracted to mastery in men. Men and women try to win over their loved ones by catering to this very natural dynamic. This is why men try to one-up/amog each other or try to impress women in other ways and women try to be very submissive and compliant while trying to attract the attention of the guy she likes.
This mastery predominantly involves the ability of said man to gain respect from men and women surrounding him. Damaged women who go after fuckboys substitute rule breaking for this aspect, since they are damaged themselves and have a grudge against the system.
Behaviors that are encouraged by these women are only good at attracting such damaged men over the short term or naive and easily manipulable men over the relative long term. Either way, this does not last.
Any woman who deems you high value and is interested in a relationship will do the same. Average women have the capability to be like this to at least some men. The damaged women under discussion have lost their ability to be this to a vast majority of men. This is why they have to expressly rely on deceit and manipulation to achieve their objectives. They only know how to be used or how to use. They do not know what a symbiotic relationship looks like.
This is nothing but a desperate attempt to retain the power women have abused. TRP and MGTOW teaches men how to have power over themselves. They do not teach men to manipulate women. It is often repeated in both ideologies that the only one you can control is yourself. This is the opposite of that. This is women, as usual, attempting to control others so that they don't have to improve (Refer the passage about making a guy stop just before cumming).
What this will help do is to wake up a lot of people to the despicable strategies that women already employ.
There is a quote by Truman Capote that relates to what we're seeing here: "The problem with living outside the law is that you no longer have its protection". The fundamental defining characteristic of feminism is defiance: defiance to men, defiance to the system, defiance to heterosexuality, defiance to families, defiance to order etc. While some women pretend to be cooperating when time comes for them to face the rap, these specific women are doubling down. This escalation will only result in a similar escalation from the other side. In typical fashion, these women have not thought the long term implications of what they will eventually propagate (if they're successful which is doubtful these days) and are only interested in their own selfish, short term success.
There is no need to do anything special with regards to these women. Treat them like every other woman and do not let them take advantage of you. Remember that hate is the same thing as love to women. They don't care if you hate them or love them. Indifference is what they're afraid of. Observe what they do and guard yourself against it. Do not engage.
Be aware and stay safe.
RedPill_Dragon 4y ago
Amen, Amen, again I say AMEN!
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So, it's basically TheRedPill, but for women. Amoral strategies to manipulate your way to your goal. But, for women the goal is "commitment" instead of "sex."
Aptote 4y ago
fds is not rpw. rpw is way different from fds.
rpw is about obtaining and retaining a red pilled man (not chad) also known as a "good man"
bansheeman 4y ago
“Amoral” is not definite. It changes with your constantly shifting opinion
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Maybe I didn't word my comment properly. I meant that they do not take morality into account in the strategies they propose to accomplish their goals. At least, that's the claim.
LordFa9 4y ago
I subscribed to that subreddit. Then i got autobanned for posting in TRP, go figure
It makes for chilling read. Not because of the content in itself. But because if you were to read the content without thinking of the origin, you'd never in a million years believe if someone told you TRP is "controversal", "shocking" and quaranteened and FDS is not
houseoftolstoy Mod 4y ago
You hit the nail on the head perfectly with the fact that their championed "strategies" fail to get them what they really want, since it works in the opposite of what they really want.
One thing I have noticed about r-femaledatingstrategy is that they simply proclaim that they are the ultimate prize (queens) and never really press for any introspection for whether or not they are as great as the profess. This is different from theredpill, which tells men that they need to ascend to a better standing rather than just declaring that they are already there (I am not a fan of much of the hedonism that is often championed there, but I recognize differences). Since r-femaledatingstrategy advises women to see themselves as already on top, that will lead them to overestimate what they should really expect to get for a man (not unique to that subreddit, but certainly taken to the extreme). This as well will lead them to not getting what they want in the end.
The reason they assert that they are already on top comes down to the fact that they do not want to actually work towards being a high quality woman. They are simply too lazy to put in the work, as well as lacking in moral fiber. It is just easier to claim to be high quality than to actually be high quality.
moorekom Mod 4y ago
A queen is a king's bitch.
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I wouldn't post there anyway. It's an all female sub anyway, they have the right to set up their sub that way, so it's fine.
The mods here could have made this an all male subreddit. We didn't. We benefit from women's commentary, as long as they follow the rules and stay within the guidelines the men set. If they don't do that, they don't get to comment here.
Kind of like your relationship with a woman: Things will go just fine, great actually, as long as she does what she's asked, follows the rules you set, and stays inside your guardrails. She's free to refuse. She's free to flout the rules and to deviate from the guidelines, in which case she's also free to leave the relationship.
houseoftolstoy Mod 4y ago
They already forbid any male posting there, so it really would not make a big difference anyways. Also, they clearly set in their ways, so any attempt to win them over is pointless.
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Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 4y ago
I laugh when I see that shit. Like "oh, no! You banned me from posting at a place I never planned to post! You sure showed me!"
Aptote 4y ago
fds is easily one of the worst hate filled subs here
tesla had it right a hundred years or so ago, when he noted that then nascent (women's "rights") movement was most harmful to women themselves.
JihadNinjaCowboy 4y ago
FDS may be vile, but if they were a charity I would donate money to them. Let them burn this feminist mockery of a civilization down.
"Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud, hatch out" - (I, Claudius)
"The roof is on fire, let the m*f*ker burn" - Bloodhound Gang: (NSFW lyrics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7OvPTmhtiY )
Aptote 4y ago
a bit defeatist for me.
i look at them (the fds crowd) with sympathy, pity and mercy.
unwitting tools of their own intended unhappiness and everyone else's.
JihadNinjaCowboy 4y ago
Feminism was created by the REAL patriarchy of elite males to sow disorder into the lower and middle classes, to divide and conquer and destroy potential future competition.
Feminism is the elites pulling up the ladder.
Feminists are useful idiots. They will rant about the patriarchy while underage girls suck Jeff Epstein and Bill Clinton's dicks on an airplane.
They'll support feminizing Western men and rant about how sexist Western men are then support importing millions of real patriarchal men from the Middle East. Put a burqa on them all and bring on the MGM -- ops circumcision is already done -- we can't condone FGM because only male genital mutilation is acceptable.
LOL.
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JihadNinjaCowboy 4y ago
MGM=male genital mutiliation FGM=female genital mutilation
Flesh_Pillow5 4y ago
Makes sense to me. Am African and In Zambia we have a huge educate women program. Massive. But these educated women never marry down and so society never improves. An educated African man will marry a rural woman and pull her and her entire family out of poverty- it creates upward mobility.
RegRobillard 4y ago
Man, please don't tell me that even in the depths of Africa feminism is slowly making headway and breaking everything up
moorekom Mod 4y ago
Did you think hypergamy did not exist in third world countries? Feminism just gives women an opportunity to exercise their hypergmay.
Aptote 4y ago
there are a few aspects to the dynamic in play here.
one, they don't marry while in college, instead pursuing degrees for careers so they can earn money (which displaces a man in the job market) while they ride the cc. these are the college educated ones (as opposed to thots). here everyone loses except the state
then there are the ones that do the "right" thing and leverage their youth and looks. they find their beta bux early and lock him down, him mind you, not her. until he says i do, all the chads she can get until the ring. she will pump out a kid or 2, then divorce rape him. again everyone loses except the state.
for the elites, the woman selects the best she can find (tolerate) from the 'cream of the (status) crop', coming from elite families (where slut shaming is a thing). while the man, selects from the daughters of the elite to all of the involved's maximum benefit. in this case, the elites and their (e)state involved wins.
'society' can and does improve under this system, "high society", that is. it is pleb society that is doing it 'incorrectly' in the 1st and 2nd scenario (due to 'culture to influence and 'laws' to enforce) , and it is the plebs (slaves) that pay the price.
Aptote 4y ago
i am aware of the origins of "feminism" and it's evil purpose and fruits.
merely pointing out tesla's keen perception of the harm and damage of this "improvement" on women
moorekom Mod 4y ago
We cannot condone violence in our sub. Please remove the relevant part and reply here and I'll approve the comment.
JihadNinjaCowboy 4y ago
Do you condone the hypocrisy of the circumcision of males and infliction of violence on male babies?
Also, I was being sarcastic about the FGM, but I wouldn't expect a Mod to figure that out.
Now you know why I will celebrate human civilization exterminating itself. I will enjoy watching this hypocritical shit-show die -- thermonuclear weapons, asteroid, pandemic, whatever.
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JihadNinjaCowboy 4y ago
Shows what trolls know, which is nothing. Nothing about civilizational collapse. You might want to read Jared Diamond or Joseph Tainter as a starting point to understand social complexity and how it applies to civilizational collapse.
I have desensitized myself to death and destruction. If you want to do the same, I'll clue you in: video games are utterly useless for desensitizing because you know that it is not real.
What works is watching REAL violence, like on Liveleak. I watched the video of ISIS burning the Jordanian pilot alive, and the video of a vigilante mob in Guatemala burning a teenage girl alive a few hundred times until I felt nothing. Then I watched other things later on, and they had no effect, meaning the desensitization held.
I used to have a fear of heights, but I desensitized myself to that. I was able to jump out of a plane at 10,000 feet and feel no fear. I've also desensitized myself to romantic love, etc. I feel very little at all now. I know how to pretend to laugh at jokes to fit in, but I feel nothing when I hear a joke.
I process such things now on an abstract level. (aka someone told a joke that would be categorized by most as funny, therefore I should laugh; the gf said she loves me, therefore I should respond in kind). Unlike a born sociopath, I have experienced real feelings in the past, so I am better able to evaluate how to emulate what I don't really feel now, and my "emotional" responses are more convincing.
Practice makes perfect, though.
Aptote 4y ago
this is no cyclical collapse, heh, the collapse is already complete enough for the masters/owners purpose, hence "civilization" is being 'fundamentally transformed', all spelled out and on schedule
moorekom Mod 4y ago
I do not.
I know you were being sarcastic, but we simply cannot take any chances with reddit's TOS. And considering the subject matter we discuss here, we need to be extra careful.
JihadNinjaCowboy 4y ago
In the future, Silicon Valley is going to be destroyed; they are the ones who should be careful. Arrogant elites like them should consider what happened during the French Revolution. People thinking banning and censoring people online makes them powerful; no, powerful is frog-marching someone to the gallows or the guillotine.
I'm not advocating doing this, I'm simply describing the pattern of history in dealing with arrogant fuckwits. History never repeats but it rhymes. As for myself, I have no more desire to play a direct role in military operations again. I'm content to just pop some popcorn and watch.
California is on fire now, and I can only imagine what will happen in the future when the chickens come home to roost. Silicon Valley is digging its own grave, and arrogance is its shovel.
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JihadNinjaCowboy 4y ago
I'm not angry; I'm at most amused, with a strong degree of apathy.
Apathy is why I don't grieve for the world burning. Let it burn; why should I give a fuck?
crassrecords 4y ago
They seriously think lies are forever? Jesus, they get dumber every second.
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Cantide756 4y ago
I'm sure there are plenty of men who just don't want the extra headache.
smfuel87 4y ago
YEEEeeeaaaaahhhh........
Bud, you've clearly never been through a divorce. And "put women to work for them"? What kind of sadistic, ghetto-thug, narcissistic, psychobabble pipe dream are you talking about?
"It puts the lotion on it's skin.."
Ugly? Dumb?
People who over estimate their intelligence are usually the most intellectually void amongst us. I'm willing to bet my last dollar you're a pony tail wearing, male pattern baldness, acne laden troll somewhere in the ballpark of 5'7" and 230 pounds.
Back to your Hentai and supposed superiority now. Its all you got.
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SelectAirline 4y ago
Tl;dr Be the guy she fucks without commitment.
Nothing really new in that sub. It seems that they read TRP, interpreted it in the most spergy way possible, and then tried to apply it to the standard female manipulative tactics that have been around as long as humanity (weaponizing sex, extracting resources, infidelity, the betaization process, and the optimization of hypergamy). As it's always been, the type of guy that's either dumb or desperate enough to fall for it isn't a guy that they really want anyway.
Of course, their strategy completely ignores the other side of the coin. For male strategies, rule 1 and rule 2 are paramount. We tell you to lift weights, learn game, take ownership of your life, get your financial house in order, dress well, lead, and to be socially engaging, interesting, and well read. You do all of that to increase your value before you worry about women. What are these women doing to increase their value?
The bottom line is that whatever strategy she chooses to employ doesn't matter if you control the frame. There's a reason Rollo put this at the top of the list. My frame is that my time is too valuable to give away indiscriminately, that my commitment (to the extent that I'm willing to give it) must be earned, my boundaries are nonnegotiable, and that all women are replaceable. As far as I'm concerned, an FDS woman can either abandon her silly games, we can go our separate ways, or I'll be the guy she fucks between "relationship guys." Doesn't really matter which one...
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It's the 1990s book "The Rules" turned up to 11.
It's also a direct response to TRP.
I think it's also a massive troll job. I think they're mostly serious, but a wee little part of them is trying to troll, trigger, and otherwise piss off men. It's what women do best: Manipulate, and filter everything through feelings such that emotions become fact and feelings become history.
SelectAirline 4y ago
I think it probably started as a troll job, but after skimming a few posts they do actually seem serious. Doesn't really matter though. AFAIC the sub is basically a runaway shit test.
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Let me guess, these cunts think that a "high value woman" is a woman who is a stuck up bitch, doesn't put out, is entitled, a narcissist and plays hard to get?
Lol, no cunts. A high value woman brings something to the table other than their vagina, isn't older than 22, isn't a slut and puts as much effort into a relationship, including the courtship phase as her partner. Oh, and also isn't a fat fuck. If you fail to meet any of these, you aren't a high value woman and men know it.
no_its_a_subaru 4y ago
Classic women, ripping off dating strategies that men created to deal with stupid women to try and attract men that they claim to want but continuously throw away to create less men that will date them or have the capability to be good partners. As a man I can look at scarlett johansson , or jennifer aniston and think. “Wow she’s really hot” while having the understand very few women will actually look like that. They are actresses, part of the job is to be stupid over the top attractive.
Women on the other hand look at brad pit, or any of the hemsworth brothers and tbink “he’s hot! I deserve that!!” They lack the ability to use logic to determine that very few men will ever be that attractive or successful. There is a reason that these men are actors, they objectively hit the genetic lottery on every front but women can’t comprehend that.
I’ve reached a point that I just treat women I want to sleep with like trash; I just can’t be bothered to care anymore. It’s sad that in certain cases have to actively kill off any romantic feelings I might have for someone because showing someone you care about them is unattractive. Like I commented above, in order to keep women interested in you as a man you have to withhold: commitment, affection, love, interest, attention, and resources.... what kind of retarded, sick, stunted psychopath craves that kind of environment and treatment. Who thought any creature with that kind of mentality was worthy of the right to be taken seriously or given the right to vote and make decisions that affect men. You know us the fuckers who keep the world running. How close are we going to have to get to crashing into the rocks before we course correct this boat.