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chaseemall 8y ago
I've recently started losing weight and attempting to limit my pornography usage. Consequently sex drive has gone through the roof. I'm horny all the time now, which is great, as most of my previous failures with women--who I had in my apartment, or car, or literally saying "just kiss me"--came as much due to a lack of desire as sheer sperginess.
However, right now I'm not trying to slay pussy, I'm trying to get into grad school, study for my entrance exams, etc. But due to my increased sex drive, I can't stop talking to girls, getting their numbers, trying to set up dates, and thinking about fucking them. Obviously, I'm not all that great at this due to my inexperience, but I can't stop thinking about it. I have a feeling the lack of experience is only exacerbating the problem.
The issue here is that I'm too fucking horny to do my work. I'm constantly having to stop my reading to beat off. I can't get my head away from girls even though I have more important things in my life to focus on. Goddammit I'm horny! And I have more important things than pussy to focus on. How do I control my sex drive, or sublimate it, so I can focus on my life goals?
Is there a way to make chatting up girls a habit that I do in the moment, but so that I don't worry about them when I have actual shit to do? My mission is more important than they are, but my dick clearly hasn't figured that out yet.
tl;dr: Too horny to focus on my work. Need to figure out how to put my brain before my dick.
Background: I'm very inexperienced. I've kissed one girl. Had a few girls interested. I'm in college. 5' 8" 285 lb (I know, I'm working on it). 365/265/405 S/B/D. But I need to put all that aside right now and focus on getting into grad school.
EDIT: moved (mostly) irrelevant info to background.
Justabattlebuddy 8y ago
Not sure where else to go with this question, I've been away for a while for basic training and I made a lot of friends. One in particular was just hit with some news that shouldn't come to a surprise to anyone here.
Now that he's officially enlisted his wife has turned a 180 and wants a divorce, refuses to give him a reason, and is taking his 2 kids away from his reach.
I feel like I've heard this one a hundred times now. But it's different now that it's someone I've gotten know, someone I live with, and suffered along side with.
Legal says there's nothing he can do about it and he's deploying within the year, but his life has just been totally fucked and he has no idea what to do about it.
If there is any advice you good folk could impart to him for me I'll make sure he gets it. I asked him to ask himself but he's not comfortable with asking strangers and doesn't know about trp.
Thanks for your time and sorry in advance for any errors in the format of my question.
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cherryCanSuckMyDick 8y ago
IIRC it was mentioned in some older threads that there are analogues to TRP outside of the english speaking world, since the info on this sub may not necessarily be easy translate directly into spanish, chinese, french, etc. (google trends appears to hold up this idea somewhat.
Are there similar versions of this sub out there? I recall Russia was said to have one, and Id be surprised if there wasnt something similar to this in a hidden corner of the internet on the chinese side of the great firewall. (dont know how exacting the chinese censors are about following feminist hate-ons for our ideas, sometimes I get the sense their government has a slightly different bent from western marxism)
red-arctic-tern 8y ago
You could check what the Koran is saying about women.
cherryCanSuckMyDick 8y ago
True, but then the Bible lays down pretty much the same deal, and look at where the modern church has ended up.
TRP is different from old social conventions that tried to constrain womens behaviour because it doesnt try to change the woman, it merely explains whats going on to the man. Contrary to what all of the retarded thots believe, literally every man that makes it to the top 20% usually had at least one of the key principles of TRP explained to him. Without that knowledge, the top 20% is just a random carousel of whatever men have had more success than usual that week.
Tarmyniatur 8y ago
Can we separate high school/college subjects in another subreddit and start verifying post authors? I have the increasing suspicion I get Field Reports and Rants from 17-19 year olds who have very different circumstances of meeting girls and are not really adults with a clear life path.
neurosissss 8y ago
Was waiting for the progress report thread to post this, but I don't see it stickied, per usual, so I'll post here.
5 months after swallowing TRP 3.5 months since I started lifting.
I had a skinnyfat belly on a slim body that made me look way more out-of-shape than I was. Lost 70% of that belly, and it's now completely undetectable while I'm wearing clothes. Gained around 6~8 lbs. of muscle. Still looking skinny, but at least fit.
Thought it'd take much more than that to start noticing shift in attitudes towards me, but I'm already noticing differences in the way women behave towards me.
At work: - Women are touching me. Light touches, on my shoulders or hands. Women seem more at ease talking to me, and the conversations are more humorous, whereas they used only to come to me to complain about some other coworker or some shit.
In life: girls/women whom I haven't seen for a while are commenting on my body. They never used to discuss anything remotely pertaining to physique with me.
This is a creating a positive loop. The fact that I'm being treated with more respect is, in turn, imbuing me with more confidence in myself and my looks, and so forth.
Went to a couple of social gatherings to see how well I'd fare (previously I thought I had "social anxiety". In hindsight I realize it was bullshit I was telling myself to rationalize how socially awkward I was). Killed it both times. First time was with a people I had never met before. Second time was with a group of acquaintances/friends I know from way back, and back then I used to be the weakest link in the group. This time, I behaved like a slick motherfucker, kept great frame, and was very satisfied at how I presented myself.
briskestbrisket 8y ago
I feel like one way women exercise their natural affinity for beta-fying men they just started talking to is by turning them into the "girlfriend," the "emotional tampon," or the "friend who listens to her problems." It starts like small talk... About how maybe classes are rough/work is hard/long week etc, then I believe it grows quickly into the next stage, like a cancer, to the point where you're the shoulder to cry on-after the chad YOU had originally intended to be-pumped and dumped her.
How do you keep her in your frame here? A)Tolerate this behavior up to a certain boundary and temporary soft next when she exceeds your threshold for whiny bitch levels? B) Enforce zero tolerance and hard next this behavior? C)Ignore her totally and change topics? D)Verbally express you dgaf about her problems?
This seems like a place where we walk a fine line between AF/BB, and looking back at relationships where I was at my most betafied, this is where I saw myself fucking up a lot in retrospect. Could someone who has this situation dialed in please shed some light on this for me?
Im seeking tried and true advice for holding her to your frame throughout the convo of something simple like a long week of work/school, vs the next level shit like unloading emotions and her gf/bf problems on you. How do you meet each degree of these types of shit tests?
red-arctic-tern 8y ago
Let her talk and listen. She needs to talk to clear her emotions. She trusts you.
After she is finished say ok and gently slap her butt. Don't try to help her or solve her problems. She doesn't want that.
cyclingcowboy 8y ago
I'm a 58 year old divorced male. I'm pretty fit, but could still lose a few pounds. I cycle between 50-100 miles a week and work out with weights 2-3 times per week. I had a blue-pill, marriage that lasted 24 years. It was almost celibate for the last ten years of the marriage. I was "awakened while married" the last five years of the marriage. I went the route of self-improvement, lost a lot of weight, developed a healthy lifestyle, etc. The wife refused to go along. I eventually filed for divorce. Months after the divorce, I met a 52 year old woman who is still quite beautiful, extremely intelligent and loves the outdoors. All of which make her a perfect partner for me. We have been seeing each other for over a year. My problem is intermittent erectile dysfunction and I can't predict when or the circumstances in which it occurs. Viagara works sometimes, but is expensive for me. I often use a product called "Stiff Days", which works sometimes, but not others. My testosterone is ok, blood pressure, cholesterol, etc. are good. I'm wondering if my issue is psychological due to my newly acquired red pill knowledge and if the bad tastet does indeed eventually lessen and let the blood flow like it should. In my heart of hearts I do not believe that women can love a man and when I look back over my life, my relationships were doomed as they were based on being used until she could find someone better. I know that is the routine now, but at my age, it is very discouraging and disheartening. Also, given my age and the age of the women I can realistically attract, there is definitely an aesthetic decline in what is considered sexually attractive and that leaves few options in regards to the number of women suitable for my sexual attention. Can the red pill poison sexual function by its psychological effects? Does it get better? How can I get over it? Or should I go ahead and seek out a urologist and go the medical route? Thanks for any comments or advice.
red-arctic-tern 8y ago
I might not be able to get it up with a 52 year old either.
Luke10191 8y ago
As soon as you see this go make an appointment with your doctor asap!, not that its life threatening but why deal with this when it can be fixed.
banjew 8y ago
I have only 40 but I remember when I was in a LTR I had trouble getting it up, for years.
Then I went to a prostitute and I was hard as a diamond. Turns out, my wife was disgusting. It's a stupid easy way to know.
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borntobeanincel 8y ago
ok so one last question. i am a fake alpha who is actually a beta. i just cant help being nice. i m thinking about marrying an alpha woman who is borderline ugly n a career oriented woman. do u think marriage will last? i dont care if she is not attracted to me n i dont get sex. imo money is what really matters n using money i can get side chicks, go to strip clubs etc. i just dont want a lazy ass stay at home woman who has two kids n gives occasional sex
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red-arctic-tern 8y ago
Stop caring what other people think. Research low carb diet. Reading is essential but you also need to get out of the house every day and DO stuff.
spectresinthefog 8y ago
I have this female friend of mine who constantly touches/pets me in social gatherings (hb7). She does this especially when I'm talking to other women. This is good social proof, right? Well, actually its been more of a cockblock than anything else so far. You would think she wants me sexually, however , she made very clear that she is not and since I've done my best not to hang around her in social situations. We share the same circle and its impossible to avoid a lot of the time. My good friend told me that to people who dont know, it looks a lot like we are together....What is a good way to shake her off or make it clear to other females that we are not intimate without sounding like a bitch, losing social proof, or etc? Or is it better to just let her do her thing and playfully roll with it? If it's the latter, how would you handle it?
red-arctic-tern 8y ago
Next time she touches you kiss her. Then you either fuck her or she will leave you alone.
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red-arctic-tern 8y ago
Will you if you don't?
Lifting creates a killer mindset that helps generally in life.
Platinumb2 8y ago
To NEXT or not to NEXT?
So met a girl online, we got coffee and hit it off. She invites me over one night and we make out pretty hard on her bed. I go to take off her bra twice and she says no both times and that she doesn't want to. I say cool, and we get some drinks in us and continue making out. I end up staying the night at her place without fucking her (she ends up taking her bra off before we sleep and now I realize she was probably signaling me to go for it). Yes, I know I should've just left if I wasn't going to fuck her. We don't talk for like a week and I invite her out with some of my friends. She says yes but later texts me has a group of 12 people and won't be able to make it out. I just responded with "lol nice" and she texts back "jk we're coming". She comes along with her friend and I see two dudes there also. Right away I could sense she was not interested in either of them. They seemed pretty quiet and reserved but I still talked to them. She was pretty touchy with me that night and ends up leaving abruptly about 5 minutes after the other guys leave. My gut feeling tells me she was not into either of them. I just did not get that vibe at all. At this point a few of my friends are there so I'm not sure if she was just uncomfortable or what? I didn't ask her if anything was wrong but we hugged and said bye.
I texted her the next day and told her I wanted to take her out. I gave her two dates and she had something going on both days (bad sign, I know). Told her I was gone for a month and when I get back we can hang out. Should I next this one or hit her up when I get back?
red-arctic-tern 8y ago
You are inexperienced and you are afraid to take what you want.
Platinumb2 8y ago
I'm aware of that now. I'm wondering if I should actually hit her up when I get back though? I do want her but I don't want to come off as needy.
red-arctic-tern 8y ago
You have to decide yourself. Where are you going for a month? Get girls there.
Platinumb2 8y ago
I plan to try. It's mostly for work so I won't have as much time but will definitely spend some time going out. Id like to hit her up when I get back but will probably give it some time. Will try to hang out with other girls when I get back first
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I met a girl last Friday at swing dance event, where I gamed her and we made out (tongue, touching tits and ass). After that i ghosted her, eventhough I like her. She got my phone number froma mutual friend and contacted me yesterday (saying hey, some light flirting, you kniw what she wants). I am thinking of going to the beach tomorrow and I want to invite her, but some voice in my head is telling me this is too big of a step for the two of us. On the other hand, just inviting her for a drink is boring to me, since I've done it so many times. Am i overthinking this, or should i invite her to the beach?
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You should invite her to the beach.
Another serious advice on that one though is that you are about to HEAVILY fuck it up. You are thinking about her, you are insecure about inviting her, her reaction is what is currently determing your behaviour... and quess what happens when a man becomes attached to the outcome, needy.
That will fuck up all your chances unless she is MADLY into you already. Try to play the worst possible outcome out in your head. She comes to the beach, doesn't like you anymore, fucks another guy there. Come up with something awful and seriously accept it. I mean it. Accept what failure would mean for you. Be fine with it.
Then when you invite her, enjoy your time and actually don't need it to work out but simply enjoy yourself and appreciate it working out you will fucking score.
Putting it a bit more simple: Do whatever the fuck is needed to NOT become needy/attached to the girl and the outcome, then invite her to the beach.
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Where did u get that? I specifically said i have doubts of inviting here not because i care about her reaction, but about it being too big of a step in my mind.
To give more extreme example (so it's easier to see my point), you wouldnt invite a girl on first date to go to Australia for 2 months, because it's obviously too big of a step - you do that with your LTR or wife, not with a girl you dont know. This is where i am coming from, did you get my point?
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Its the same point.
You are activly trying -not to do the thing you feel like- but the thing which is socially acceptable and the correct thing
That is the oppsite of the IDGAF attitude which gets preached alot around here. You DO care about making everything right. And WHY would you care? Because you are attached to the girls reaction. If you would invite your fat cousin for the lulz to the beach would you actually consider how and why and if it is correct? No. That doesn't mean you should treat her like a fat cousin, but it was an example to show you that you are indeed 'trying' to make it right. You shouldn't. Just do.
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Ok, I see your point, but if I woulf just do the thing i felt like, I would find her phone number and called her the next day that we made out, and just talk to her about anything. This is blue pill and I knew it's not the right thing to do, so i didnt do it. And yes, because i want to do the right thing (defined by TRP, not society! Huge difference), i want to apply what i learned on TRP.
Because i want to live RP life, to internalize it. Not because i care how she will react. I never once thought of how is she gonna react to my invitation.
[deleted] 8y ago
Then just do it.
1.) You would enjoy her to come
2.) You don't care about what happens
equals
There is no reason not to call.
sparks_mandrill 8y ago
Two female administrative assistants just started at my office a few months ago - they're in their mid 20's and im in my early 30s. One I originally thought was kinda cute so I chatted her up, but she seemed so disinterested in even basic conversation that I gave up. The other one was initially friendly towards me and we chatted it up and now she's gone cold on me... These two girls are friends and now when I see them together I feel pretty awkward. I've always been pretty solid in professional settings and don't typically have issues chatting with girls in the workplace.
I know that part of tmy issue is because of some personal bullshit about caring about the opinions of others, especially considering that as I typed this out, I've realized that I dont think that I really care (at least I dont think I do) about the initial "cute" one's opinion, because I truly think that she's kind of weird, and that I'm actually more bothered by the fact that the other one is no longer interested in being chatty with me (she's pretty homely if that makes a difference).
How do I stop worrying about this shit so I can freely walk past her desk to get the office cereal?
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Take 5 min, think about the situation, and let go. What happened, happened, if they dont like you, no problem, you have other awesome people in your life that you can talk to and hang out, these 2 girls doesnt matter at all.
topzoooozz 8y ago
I have a mall date in a few hours. I'm meeting her then taking to Starbucks to chit chat. I have run solid game at parties that resulted in numbers and one almost lay but I'm not sure how to do that in a date. Can you give me some pointers on what to do after the coffee and how long should I be there (lol). When I was texting her she mentioned she lived near the mall with a wink emoji which I assume she's dtf? This chick is a strong 7 at most and I'm way higher value than her.
red-arctic-tern 8y ago
Don't talk too much in Starbucks. Go shopping things you are passionate about (like hiking gear, not computers). Boss her around. When you pass some hats, put one on her. Talk slow and maintain your composition (holding frame). Kiss and when she's into it ask where she lives.
topzoooozz 8y ago
Thanks for the advice. Got stood up but j was more surprised than disappointed. Time to lift and do pick up tomorrow.
red-arctic-tern 8y ago
Do it. A few weeks ago I approached a girl and she didn't even bother to respond. Learning to deal with rejection takes experience.
Platinumb2 8y ago
Had a date planned for yesterday and she supposedly had something come up with her roommate. She asked if I was free tomorrow, and I gave her a time and a place. She texts me at noon today asking me to change locations to a place that's more convenient to her but across town for me. I stood my ground and told her it was out of the way and that I liked the drinks at the place we had originally planned for. She didn't respond, but I feel I did the right thing but not letting her decide. Plus, we already agreed to those plans so in my view, it's rude to be changing them up like that.
red-arctic-tern 8y ago
Sounds like an attention whore. Tinder at its worst.
red-arctic-tern 8y ago
A couple of girls lately have all really wanted to know what I do for living and hobbies. These questions came before agreeing to meet. After I told them briefly they were satisfied.
Is this ASD? Or did I come off as too aggressive and they wanted comfort?
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You are overthinking what you shouldnt even think about. Answer with some witty joke (e.g. I like to breed chiuauas), have a small talk, invite her out, if she is up for it great, if not, great.
red-arctic-tern 8y ago
There is a clear pattern. I've heard "I don't know you" so many times. One girl was making these questions when we were heading to her place, another after a date, propably wondering if she wants to meet me again.
[deleted] 8y ago
I think your "problem" is you are taking girls too serious. So what if she said that? Turn it around and say "well lets get to know eachother, u are not afraid of meeting new people are you? :)". STOP THINKING about every little shit they give you and focus on your goal - fucking her.
red-arctic-tern 8y ago
The question is why are they asking this.
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Noone from internet can answer you to this question, because it depends on what you look like, how she looks like, where were you guys, what was her body language, etc. etc..
Salted_Pretzel 8y ago
I just started an Instagram, any tips to build my brand up. Would getting a girl's IG be better than a number? Thoughts?
WestonR263 8y ago
I would never use Instagram to pick up girls, only as a tool to increase status. Do whatever you can to make your life look interesting. Going out with friends to a bar? Take a picture. When for a hike over the weekend? Take a picture. Proud of the way your body looks after hitting the gym for a month? Take a picture. Post regularly, but don't post anything that will make you look boring or beta.
CaspatheGhosty 8y ago
leave IG for branding and business networking.
PowergamesEnchanted 8y ago
Fuck yeah, sliding in dm, Ask for Snapchat, send her a pic of ur pump, And you'll Get it going cuz
IntrovertSigma 8y ago
If you have an interesting lifestyle it's useful. Have interesting hobbies, travel, unique perspective on life etc.
Go for numbers as a default and fail back on IG if the connection isn't strong or you just want to expand your social circle.
Project_Thor 8y ago
Avenik is the best instagram marketing company out at the moment. They have an awesome course. Alternatively, learn Instagrams algorithm.
Scymnus 8y ago
Waste of time unless you're already ripped/have high social status. Go daygame instead.
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That_Deaf_Guy 8y ago
I'm going to go with no. Numbers make it more personal. Anyone has access to her Instagram. When girls say "I don't give out my number but you can have my__", they're usually just looking to add you to their collection of orbitors that provide validity through viewing her snapchat story, or in your case, liking and following them on Instagram. Just my 2 cents.
Salted_Pretzel 8y ago
That's what I've been thinking. With a number it can be fake but with an IG you know it's real. Thanks for the input.
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Ig isn't worth anything bro. Even numbers are okay.
YamanekoBlues 8y ago
Teach me about taking risks.
I've been out of college for a few years, and in that time trying to get some career experience I feel I've become risk-averse and boring. I work an office job which is doing relatively interesting work....but it's still an office job. Maybe it's just me, but being in artificial lighting and sitting all day seems to be destroying my health in more than one way. Sick of giving my best years doing work that isn't exactly my passion.
It's not all bad. I've had some quality girls in that time, and can't complain about that. Been able to do some pretty unique international travel using vacation hours or in gaps between positions. Trying to pick up some creative hobbies.
But I want to just drop all of this, while I'm still young, and go out and figure out/obsessively build the career that I want. Live a more inspired life. Attract better people into it. Sounds great, but the career I really want isn't known to make good money, at least at the beginning. Should I risk everything I have to fulfill my dreams? What does TRP think about this?
Roaring40sUK 8y ago
This;
Definition of Hell: The last day you have on earth, the person you became will meet the person you could have become.
HumanSockPuppet 8y ago
You don't need our permission to change your life if you aren't happy with it.
But know this: learning to enjoy the consequences of a decision is the best Red Pill you can take. A life without struggle is boring.
YamanekoBlues 8y ago
Yes exactly, I feel the need to walk a path between comfort and chaos, and my life is 90% comfort at the moment. I'm not really looking for permission to change, but perspective.
I also need to learn to accept failure, because fear of failing (at least relative to my peers) is probably what keeps me from taking big risks. And then I get stuck in the middle - no better or worse than my peers.
SocietalEngineering 8y ago
I got two books for you that are really good with confronting the problem of risk -
Both by Grant Cardone
YamanekoBlues 8y ago
thanks, I'll give them a read.
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I'm a pretty big risk taker. I've had some very good successes but I have also had MASSIVE PUBLIC FAILURES. I've been on TV, people in my community know who I am.
Of those very public failures, some set me back in business, some set me back in relationships, some were incredibly humiliating. The latter make me want to puke when I think about them.
I can tell you though the greatest pain of failure I consistently feel is the risks I could have taken that would have made me many times more successful had I not been afraid. The pain of regret is indeed greater than the pain of even the most humiliating failures.
Think about yourself in 50 years. How would that guy feel about the risks you did or didn't take. Would he call you a pussy for not trying?
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d4nonymous 8y ago
I'm in a similar situation. A few years out of school and in a corporate job. I've made it a point to pursue my passion while still working at my full-time job.
I recently passed my certification exam to become a personal trainer. This is my passion, but not what I studied in school.
Personal training is not known to be a super lucrative career path. Low barriers to entry, no college degree required, and just about anyone who lifts thinks they can be a trainer...so I feel you on the money thing.
Do I want to drop everything and do it full time? Yes. But my full-time job pays the bills and I'm not willing to sacrifice my quality of life if I don't have to.
So my recommendation is to pursue what you're passionate about after work, before work and on the weekends. Assuming you're single, you have a lot more time than the guys on here who are in LTRs or married. Take advantage of that extra time to pursue a "side hustle". If you find you like it and the money is good enough, then you make the jump. This is calculated risk.
YamanekoBlues 8y ago
thanks, I appreciate you sharing
Frenchy036 8y ago
Back at college and have been spinning a few plates in an effort to put everything I learned this summer into action.
One is an HB8 with a rather lackluster boyfriend from home who I took out partying last weekend. On the way out she asks if we can go back to my room but her cockblock roomate makes a big deal about how they need to get home and drags her off. My request for advise is therefore twofold:
-What is the most effective way to force her to make the first move sexually so that this boyfriend nonsense can't be flipped on me later.
-How can I effectively remove the roomate from the situation without necesarily tipping her off.
Cheers
red-arctic-tern 8y ago
Get the logistics right, make a move and enjoy.
darchetype 8y ago
Never rely on her to make the first move. It’s your job as the man to initiate and escalate sexual situations. If you’re worried about the boyfriend, then just bang her and move on. Or don’t bang her, w/e. Either way, there’s no point dealing with the drama that could unfold, and it sounds like you have other plates to keep you occupied anyway.
The roommate situation will happen from time to time and isn’t a big deal. Ideally you’re making friends with roomy leading up to that point and getting her/him on your side, so that they’re more comfortable with the idea of you taking their friend home. Otherwise you gotta lay down some charisma game, say something like “I’ll have her back before curfew sir” and continue charming them in that manner. Of course, the simple solution is just hook up with HB8 on a later date in a more private setting.
Frenchy036 8y ago
I appreciate the feedback. Again, boyfriend is about 250 miles away and looks like a fuck so he shouldn't be an issue. Currently setting up to go to a concert with her this weekend so that should get the roomate gone. Cheers!
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judethedude 8y ago
Join groups! Student groups, co ed Intramurals, student politics...talk to girls at the gym. Just don't stop talking to people
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All-boys dorm isn't bad luck, hanging out with men will improve your life and overall happinness a lot. You will make lifelong friendships in the coming years there.
For the girls, as others said, join cluubs and activites, i am a big fan of dancing lessons, lots of girls there, and eventhough you might have some stereotypes about you, man, learning how to dance, you will thank me in a month or two, because I guarantee you it will be worth it.
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I started with basic once, like salsa, foxtrot, a bit of waltz, foxy, cha cha,..., which are easy so u get the feeling for dancing, plus you can dance at parties with girls. I do swing now (lindy hop version), which i really enjoy, but unless u go to swing events, girls dont know it. But basic step is very easy so its great opportunity to show her your leadership and dominance.
d4nonymous 8y ago
What about going out on the weekends?
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d4nonymous 8y ago
Yup. Exactly how my school was. I got around this by joining a fraternity in the Spring. In the meantime, meet as many guys as possible. Some of them may have an older brother in a fraternity already or know some girls that they can introduce you to. Talk to the girls in your classes as well. I got into my fraternity because I made sure to talk to the guys who make the recruitment decisions. I think #1 thing other guys pick up on is your confidence and social aptitude. Work on those.
briskestbrisket 8y ago
Had a girl tell me she
-doesn't feel safe in a relationship with me, -that I'm too unpredictable, -that I think I run shit everywhere I go, and -that I've been getting too big from lifting.
Am I.... am I becoming... alpha?? Or am I just an asshole...?
seaguy87 8y ago
Some amused mastery is missing here.
A girl told you something? Sweet. Her words mean jack shit... until it is followed up with congruent behaviour.
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Write/say "k" and continue to improve. If she meant all of that, you cant change her, if she will stay, great. Either way, what she said doesnt matter (unless u know she is reasonable and see her points being right).
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seaguy87 8y ago
You're listening to her words and not observing her actions. She appears jealous because she doesn't want to lose her orbiter (you). It's not rocket science, bro. Ask her what her game is? Do you expect the truth from those lips? And again you'd still be listening to what she says and not seeing what she does.
guitarjunkie11 8y ago
You're not going to want to hear this but... she's wasting your time. Stop inviting her to things; if she was attracted she wouldn't flake. And a tip: if you ask her directly what her game is, the answer you get will be neither satisfying nor genuine.
CapitalDragons 8y ago
She most likely doesn't know what her game is. Its automatic behavior that maintains your attention. Like he said she's wasting your time
macko_reddit 8y ago
i would guess that she is only angry cause she is afraid of losing an orbiter (you). also depends if she finds the other girl more or less beautiful then herself.
Rian_Stone 8y ago
If you have to ask, the answer is 'no'
RedBigMan 8y ago
She's flipping out because you are engaging with a non-sanctioned female. She didn't set you up with this chick so she's panicing that she'll lose her Time Ho. I'm willing to bet the handful of times she came out with you it was to some event that would have cost $$$ to get tickets to like concerts or whatever not going to the pub to have a drink or two.
newName543456 8y ago
Why just an act?
Actually be able to do so...
JamesSkepp 8y ago
The situation you're in is the definitive example of orbiting.
She is refusing to interact with you in a situation/context that might imply or lead to sexual consequences BUT she doesn't want to let other girls to take you away from her.
IOW she will not fuck you, she will lead you on b/c she likes the attention you provide but doesn't find you sexually attractive enough. Hard next her, with no explanation and no followup contact from you. EVER. You do it not go get back at her, but to learn to cut your losses and acclimatize yourself to the idea of being the selector.
You won't get a straight answer from her. You expect her (female) to tell you like you (man) would tell her. That's not how women communicate. On top of that, she's already deceiving you with her words, she can't tell you the truth b/c she would have to tell you to stop orbiting her. She won't do that.
TRP_MushaShugyo 8y ago
Such a hard but necessary lesson.
Peter_B_Long 8y ago
Exactly this. My max is 2 flakes before I hard next. If a girl flakes on the first meet with no explanation / text / follow up, it's for sure a hard next.
There are hundreds of millions of women you could spend your time on.
TRP_MushaShugyo 8y ago
On the first meet if she doesn't show, do you not text her at all? Like a few minutes after the set time or anything? Just wait for her to message you (assuming she does)?
Peter_B_Long 8y ago
I've never had a no show. I'll usually text her the day before (if we haven't texted for a few days) to confirm the time / place.
They'll reply confirming. I'll then not text back, but text one more time before the meet letting her know I'm leaving my house in 15 minutes or something.
They'll reply to cancel / flake. Bullshit excuse, blah blah blah. Reply with 'ok'. Then soft next for a few days and decide if you want to try one more time or just ghost her.
nebder 8y ago
I make arrangements where I'm doing something I like as the date. I wait 15 minutes and then go on doing what I wanted to do. That makes it no great loss if she flakes.
I don't text if they're late. What are you going to say? "Hey just wanted to confirm that you're blowing me off" if she doesn't show, she either isn't into me or her life is such a mess that she cannot track or keep her appointments. Blowing me off tells me she wasn't a good fit for me. That's as good an outcome as any.
TRP_MushaShugyo 8y ago
Good method. What if she apologizes with a possible bullshit excuse and wants to meet up still another day?
nebder 8y ago
There's 3.5 billion women in the world. Why would I spend my time on a woman that is willing to blow me off? I treat a flake as a soft hard next. I don't block her but I won't contact her again. If she reaches out to me after flaking then I play it by ear leaning towards not seeing her.
If she reschedules beforehand for a seemingly legit reason then I allow one preemptive reschedule. The second reschedule is a soft hard next.
I don't spend much time trying to convince neutral women to be into me. If I'm not getting a fuck yeah from the gal then I'd rather invest time in myself and/or with women that do give me the fuck yeah.
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royal_raijin 8y ago
I started lifting and I'm very thin. I've been taking protein shakes 3x a day. Working out 3-4x a week. Only at 2 weeks so not expecting much. But meal prep and workout has been good. I just have a few questions.
Should I eat even more? More gym time? I sometimes like to eat hard candy like smarties should I stop? I hear a lot about bulking and cutting. Is bulking just eating a lot? What resources do you guys use to achieve a nicer/stronger body?
You can answer any. Thank you
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Eat enough (so that you are not hungry, but that you are still improving in the gym and not eating bad food). 3-4x is enough, just have in mind that u cant rush things. Gym takes time, dont worry about minmaxing right now.
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How do you approach a girl in a LTR who acts jealous, insecure, and immature when it comes to other girls?
Is that red flag the death omen you believe it is?
seaguy87 8y ago
Why do you have the time and energy to deal with someone who acts jealous, insecure, and immature?
It's probably from a lack of abundance... and a lack of vetting before you LTR'd her. LTRs are not a special time/arrangement for you to wait for her to right her wrongs.
Life is short and time is priceless.
setsuna0 8y ago
What is everyone's definition of being a real man? In your words what makes a man great?
seserta 8y ago
My personal goal is to become a man who has honed his mind and body to perfection. I have just begun though so may change on the way. Having control over my mind means I can be the master of my emotions. And I believe mastery over self is prerequisite to mastery over others. This is my ideal man - strong in body and mind and always in control.
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Having life in order, being confident in yourself, loving yourself, having a mission, going after things that you want, being RP, being masculine. And yes, i didnt mention women once, because women dont define your manliness.
setsuna0 8y ago
Women are just accessories of your life after all. I've been working on self love. I admittedly lacked that
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What helped me with self love was self improvement: seeing gains from gym, learning to dance, sing, having awesome friends,...basically fullfilling my goals.
seserta 8y ago
What to do with a whale wife who wants to cheat?
Dear TRP,
About a decade back when i was in school, I had matched a guy friend of mine with a girl I knew from my class. After school we fell out of touch.
Few days back the girl gets in touch with me on Facebook. She chats about being miserable. I ask her to meet. We met yesterday. She has gained a lot of weight but she says she is going to the gym. I don't feel any attraction for her but she clearly wouldn't mind giving me some if I nudge her in the right direction.
My question is this - I am a new red pill, still learning the ropes. I used the husband destroying script somewhat and she was impressed. But I don't want to convert her because I don't think I want to Fuck her. And I definitely don't want the marriage to end. Don't want that shit to happen cause of me. It might happen anyway. What do I with this opportunity? Should I use her to get to any friends she might have? Should I just plate her carefully? Or should I just stay the fuck away.
Her background - she's typical Indian conservative. Thinks girls drinking is a big deal (!) And has only had sex with her husband. But now that she's frustrated (they live with the boy's parents who are ultra conservative and it's a tiny apartment with zero privacy), she's interested in the world of sexual adventures. She's heard about swapping(swinging) and she's wondering out loud if sex is the solution. She says her husband's timing and hers don't match and hence sex has been on the wane.
seaguy87 8y ago
If you end up fucking this chick, you're going to contribute to The Problem.
The problem of fatties having overinflated egos because they know they can get some even though they are fat, post-wall, unattractive, married, cheating, lying, whores.
seserta 8y ago
That's a very good point. See on the face of it, I rejected her. I told her she needs to hit the gym, get her stamina up for real sex and looked highly skeptical when she said she was already good at it. She said may be we can video chat and I told her I'm generally busy and texting is the best. Overall, I gave the impression that I like hot bods and she was far from it.
I think I'm going to maintain this stance. If in a few months she comes back looking better and I actually feel the attraction, I might fuck her. How's that?
seaguy87 8y ago
I still say the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Let's see... she's miserable, desperate for attention and sex, and in a dead bedroom (so she says).
Like you said, you matched her with your male friend. What if he found out about this? How would it affect your standing with your other friends?
Most of all, she's a cheating whore. Dude, there are so many other women out there, sans complications and fat. Focus your efforts there.
It's not worth it, it's highly unlikely she'll turn out attractive, and even if she is, it's risky--you shouldn't shit where you eat. It still smells like a lack of abundance, and if she gets attractive I highly suspect you'll develop oneitis for her.
And if I know anything about Indian women, they thrive on drama. You want some of that? Some of that close-knit-snooping-busybody-family-found-out-she's-cheating drama?
seserta 8y ago
Sigh... you're right. They DO thrive on drama. Decision made. She's not getting any from me.
Thankfully though that friend and I lost touch right after school. So it's been 11 years since we have seen or spoken to each other. Can't imagine what it must be like living with this.
wiredtobeweird 8y ago
I'm going to get berated so hard but I'm at the worst mental state I have been in awhile.
Backstory. Meet a girl through mutual friends. HB9. Plays videogames. 2K followers on Instagram, 400 likes/photo on Facebook. Very large social network.
Me. 6.5-7/10. Used to be professional gamer of the game she plays. No social media whatsoever (except Snapchat).
Acquaintances for a few months, met her in March. Played online together less than five times (rarely get online anymore).
In these few months I've slept with 2 other girls and lost a long-term plate. When she became single I made plans with her twice and she flaked both times. Forgave her the first time, made plans again a few weeks later. Flaked a second time. Expecting it I obviously had a plan B. Went out and had a good night and bj-closed an HB6.
Checked her story the morning after and saw she was at a cafe with some dude. Well, I tried. I block her on SnapChat and hard next.
A few weeks later I go to a music festival and found a girl to vibe with for the weekend (HB7). She takes my phone and uses my Snapchat to post stories, whatever ya know.
I get a text from HB9 that weekend asking why she can't message me on Snapchat. I don't respond. The next day she asks if I blocked her. I don't respond.
By the time I'm back in my state I get a call from her. I picked up and answered. She asks why I blocked her on Snapchat. I tell her I don't have time for flakes. She hamsters away more excuses but I'm not really listening. I tell her if she wants to hang out then come over (I just bought a pool table) for some pool and drinks.
She says OK and comes over that night. We shoot some pool, have a couple shots, end up in my bed and at this point I'm just frozen. Not really sure what to do. I change in front of her and she asks why guys take their shirt off like that. I ask how girls do it.
She demonstrates a little, stopping right before it passes her tits. I tell her to continue, I haven't learned how to take a girl's shirt off yet. She says, "No I'm not wearing a bra you're gonna see my tits." I tell her that's the point and she says, "you wish."
I shrug and ignore, I basically accepted the fact that she probably came over just to make sure I was still somewhat interested in her or something. At this point I have no idea why she's even there as I've put her on a pedestal in my head and consider her out of my league. Why would a girl with SMV like that have anything to do with me? I mean the last time she saw me I was 20lbs lighter, but I don't think my body's change is THAT drastic. I guess benching 185 is better than 115 though... So there's that.
Fast forward to a few days ago she shoot me a text saying she misses me and we should hang out again (????). I tell her I'll pick her up after I drop my roommate off at work (he recently got a DUI). Pick her up. Come back to my place. We smoke up a bit, and move to my bed (again).
And here's where everything that could've went right went wrong because I'm a little bitch. I won't go into how the events happened but essentially these 3 things happened and I didn't capitalize on anything.
A) We're laying in bed side by side (no contact) She says it's hot in here and takes off her sweatshirt, so she's got just a tank top on. Lays back down on my arm. I put my arm around her and play with her hair. Don't do anything.
B) No shirt on, gave her a back massage. Didn't follow up... Just finished the massage and then laid down next to her.
C) She makes a comment about her nipples being sore from the piercing. I ask what piercing she ended up getting. She asks if I want to see. I say, "you didn't let me see last time what's different now?" She shrugs and lifts up her bra. I'm playing with the piercings... Ask a few questions... Aaaaand I put my hand back on her stomach. After a few more seconds she puts her bra back on.
At this point I literally can't tell up from down because I've put her on a pedestal higher than Mt. Vesuvius and it's taking a lot of energy for me to maintain a relatively normal state. We are going on a trip in two weeks and it's an 18hr car ride (just us) and if I do anything and get rejected wouldn't that make our trip super awkward like wtf how did I get in this situation and wtf is happening.
Anyways. Long story short we were watching a horror movie and the guy was hiking in some woods and she makes a comment about how she's never gone hiking in the dark. I tell her I have a cool hiking trail I used to hit up a few years ago with a great view of the sunrise and we should go there.
Those plans were for tonight, we will be camping overnight. I was originally gonna bring a tent but I think my oversized hammock will do. I was planning on following up with a text to confirm, but while I was writing this she texted me asking what time I'm picking her up tonight.
As I write this I know what I would tell someone to do. I know what I should do.
... But why don't I do it? I have never had a girl in my bed and not closed, what other reason could there be for a girl to be in my bed unless she was interested?
However when she's in my bed I just go into fucking analysis paralysis and can't escalate. I just freeze up.
How. Do. I. Not. Fuck. Up. Tonight.
r0chin 8y ago
Take some cialis/viagra. Thats what my doctor prescribed in a similar situations. No ragrets. Once you get past this you wont need it.
red-arctic-tern 8y ago
You are intimidated by her so your confidence is low. Don't be scared of her. Make fun of her (don't come off as a creep). From now on lead the interactions. If you want to touch, do it.
seserta 8y ago
Have you tried approaching when she has her back turned to you? Facing a hot girl when you're not used to it van be intimidating. But you grab her from behind, kiss her neck, nibble and bite and make sure you grab her properly. Once she responds, it will gibe you your confidence to move forward. Once you seal the deal, next time onwards you can just see her as your bitch to do with her as you please.
But yeah, maintain balance. You don't want to creep her out. Try doing things that give you confidence before you meet her. And studies suggest that holding power poses for as little as five minutes can actually boost your confidence. Look these up and see how you can apply them.
Overall, you almost have her man. Just visualise her naked body under you, writhing in pleasure. If you can visualise it, you can do it.
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wiredtobeweird 8y ago
It feels emasculating enough to not have closed the first night. If I don't do anything tonight it's basically over isn't it.
Self-honest 8y ago
You got this bro. Just imagine that the "glass" you want to "drink" out of is already broken. Then you can enjoy it for what it is and you won't be so cautious with it.
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cherryCanSuckMyDick 8y ago
Maybe describe the setting of the picture (whats in the background, foreground around you?).
One bizarre thing Ive found about Tinder is that while you will get the best results emphasizing the things we talk about here (physically attractive, social proof, subtle preselection, etc.), the tiniest details can separate an effective profile from one that gets nothing. There might be something subtly odd/weird/slightly out of place in one of your photos thats drawing a womans attention away from the goods (you) that you wont notice with a casual glance, but it screams lack of attention to detail to women that are obsessed with those kinds of things. For example, an odd/ugly/more attractive than you person/doing something odd in the distant background of a photo in a public place, a distracting object that draws the eyes in an room away from you, any kind of photo that doesnt instinctively draw the viewers gaze to your eyes/body. Women consciously hem and haw over those little details when they take selfies, so when a man doesnt, it comes off as slightly tone deaf at best.
Other strategies that worked well for me:
-Arrange your profile for the most impact. A good rule of thumb Ive found is you need to hit hardest with your first photo (should be both attractive and interesting to avoid an auto-leftswipe on the carousel of profiles shes looking at), at least one interesting middle photo/photos, and hit almost as hard with your last photo (Id go for your biggest selling point there.
-Some sort of conversation starter in your profile (and its got to be juicy). Even if the chick never actually asks about it, its a good way of getting her hamster going in the moment rationalizing why shes bothering to match with you ("at least I can ask him about this juicy bait topic, Im not just matching to fuck him")
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Hung_Chad 8y ago
Lean muscle? You mean skinny? Little bulk?
That's better than being fat, but not the same as being built, which is what shirtless pics are for. Low fat, big muscles = good shirtless pic.
Rian_Stone 8y ago
if you post a faceless one of yours, I'll bet this is going to be way more valuable than whatever you're trying to do here.
Also, it was either omlala or humansockpuppet who had a guide to tinder photos
CaspatheGhosty 8y ago
Joe Delaney's tinder advice follow it to a T and you'll be set mate.
setsuna0 8y ago
Got a link? I'm terrible with tinder
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Rian_Stone 8y ago
Not me, I have completely missed the Tinder generation. But it's the easiest way to get feedback. If you're worried about anonimity, there's always GLO, or some of the other gymbros who are able to PM critique.
Id suggest the amihot subreddit, but it's a damned feelgood joke over there
Arrys 8y ago
There's a good site I recently stumbled upon, photofeeler. You can set who will rate you (age and gender) and specify if it's for dating or professional (LinkedIn) pictures.
I've had some results so far on feeling which of my tinder pictures do/don't rate well.
WISE_TURD 8y ago
Shirtless while doing something that'd be considered interesting. While rock climbing for example. Especially with bumble (since they're messaging first), give them pictures they can start a conversation with. None while weight lifting, as it's better to make it seem like your physique comes effortlessly.
You must quickly and positively differentiate yourself from all the losers these girls are sifting through. Being jacked obviously does this to great effect. Eat less, lift more, avoid selfies.
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TheJedi_Lied 8y ago
Yeah I came here to say do something in picture. Get a friend to take one of you playing with his dog outside and shirtless. Just be doing anything outside.
WISE_TURD 8y ago
Sign up for an official 5k race. 10k tops or it'll be brutal. They typically have professional photographers that take a candid picture of each racer and sell them online afterwards.
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WISE_TURD 8y ago
That's a question for the people putting it on; however, i would guess if you have to pay to sign up, there will most likely be a photographer there
GOATmar 8y ago
got stuck at 325lbs since last week and had to deload squats back all the way down to 295lbs and switch to 1x3. Good news about that is now 295lbs feels easy as shit and my legs still feels very powerful. definitely some solid progress despite the deload. 1 set of 3 reps is amazing and almost feels like it has gotten me bigger than 5x5 has at lower weights.
overhead press used to crush me at 145lbs. now, even after a long layoff due to injury, thanks to heavy squats 145lbs was easy. cant wait to pass my body weight in OHP.
built my desk with my bare hands in record time, felt great.
finances have increased even more, and spending will greatly diminish from now on.
last year i worked my ass off through every single holiday due to being a top tier sales rep for my company. during this time i clearly grew tired and started hating the holiday season. Now, i am very grateful and very excited to spend this entire holiday season at home with family.
nebder 8y ago
Bent over barbell rows are giving me issues. I am having challenges holding a tight lower back as the weight increases. Is there an alternative row that accomplishes similar results or do I keep at the bent over row and continue to improve the form?
Edit: Thanks for the responses. Lots of good stuff here. My row is about 50% of my DL/squat weights and I can hold a tight back on those as my form is closer to correct on those exercises. My row is about 75% body weight as I've deloaded trying to fix this issue.
Long story short, I am doing pendlays incorrectly and that's the root issue. Bringing the bar up too far towards my head and my lower back can't handle that lever arm on top of using momentum too much. Gonna try the seal rows as those look sick and eliminate the lower back strain.
Roaring40sUK 8y ago
i am not the expert, but I would suggest dropping the weight and focusing on form.
Jailhouseredpilled93 8y ago
Pull Ups. A shit ton of them. Your lats will flare. Learn Kipping Pull Ups. Theyre fun and really intense.
pocketsizedarnold 8y ago
lowering the weight and increasing time under tension has given me the foundation for stronger back. I am a 5x5 guy but if something is not catching up, doing 3x12 and beating the muscles (instead of nervous system) help.
Tarmyniatur 8y ago
What % of body weight are we talking about here?
You might want to try switching the width of your grip, the grip position if it's not pronated. Here's the video from the man who pioneered the row in modern training
Weak lower back can be addressed directly with different types of deadlifts, basically. I think RDL's help the lower back most.
Finally, you could also have glute or hamstring imbalances.
Dat_Chad 8y ago
deadlifts solve this over time. if not, it might be prudent to back off of stressing the lower back fir a month in case it's hurt/about to get hurt.
CaspatheGhosty 8y ago
Depending on the weight used I'd advise a little body english at around 200+ pounds. Under 200 pounds I'd keep form strict and focus on deadlifts which will carry over nicely to keeping a tight back.
Rian_Stone 8y ago
Krock rows, bent over single arm dumbell rows, cable rows.
Tons of options. I never do BODR, simply because I'm not adding more lower back stress on deadlift day
do_it_or_leave 8y ago
This is my main reason to train back and chest on the same day.
Fulp_Piction 8y ago
Deload, strengthen your core with weighted hyperextensions and a good core circuit.
You should be deadlifting and squatting more than you're rowing, so how do you keep it tight for those?
mental_models 8y ago
This. Hyperextensions, core, hamstrings(both strength, and stretching). Address the limiting factors. Mirrors can help with strict form.
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nebder 8y ago
These look awesome. Have to find a space to set up. I'll try them Saturday as that's my next row day.
WISE_TURD 8y ago
Single arm dumbbell rows while focusing on pulling with the elbow instead of the hand. Hope this helps.
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iamstinky 8y ago
Did all the right things, proved frame, spontaneous/fun/ outgoing guy, honest, probably the only thing I didn't do is make her feel like shit or play the game, anyways girl apologized for leading me on after she just wanted to be friends, she's also not over her ex. Time to move on, but just a question, do girls like this ever come an 180? My ex came around after I stopped giving a fuck, just wanted to ask trp, if these broken hearted girls ever come around to the big man
HumanSockPuppet 8y ago
You can play the game perfectly and women will still only like you for some of the time.
A woman's wants are a pendulum, forever swinging between excitement and comfort.
Dat_Chad 8y ago
ask yourself why do you care.
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cherryCanSuckMyDick 8y ago
Abundance mentality seems to be the number one concept that newcomers to this sub have difficulty grasping
Self-honest 8y ago
You didn't do all the right things. If you did you would be putting the finishing touches on an awesome field report.
You don't have to make anyone feel like shit. What game aren't you playing?
Girls flip 180° when you do all the right things.
What does this mean?
Hung_Chad 8y ago
Don't build false expectations bro. You can do everything right and still not get the results. You just next and move on. It's always a numbers game, never anything guaranteed for one specific girl.
Self-honest 8y ago
I get what you mean. I should have stated my thoughts differently. In my mind, doing everything right means closing and getting what you want. If that didn't happen, then you didn't do everything right as far as that particular girl is concerned. Just trying to emphasize that this guy needs to stop thinking he did everything right when he clearly has a lot to learn.
Read his comment again. It's dripping with a lack of understanding. That girl is not "heartbroken," she's just not into him. Probably because he didn't know how to do "everything right."
I agree that even if he crushed it, he could fail. I just get the feeling he didn't, and I don't want to perpetuate the idea that he already knows everything there is to know. Leading him to believe this is the womans fault instead of his own seems wrong.
Anyway, NEXT that chick. It is a numbers game. You are correct sir.
Mi9937 8y ago
As ive joined rowing i have lost fat but not much weight, im 6 foot and 205lbs but id prefer to be around 185 with a better physique, what are somethings i can do to grow a wider back and trim up my waist line since it seems that i tend to hold onto a bit of love handle and just a tiny belly pouch at the bottom, in general my upper body is underdeveloped compared to lower body, my back is extremely strong due to rowing but i need good wide angle workouts to compensate for my core pecs and abdominals
Mateusz77 8y ago
Let me start off by saying I'm not trying to sound arrogant here. I know that I'm a good looking guy I've been told multiple times and I can feel/see women staring at me wherever I go. Because of this I feel like women are intimidated by me. I know that as my never ending journey to be an alpha I must solidify my dominance over the other sex. But it's gotten to the point where I just think women are too shy to speak with me. For example there's a hb8 as my lab partner in genetics. I try to make friendly conversation but I almost feel like she's holding back for some reason. I know she's single but I just have no clue on how to get past this barrier I'm talking about. That put together with the fact that she can't make eye contact with me for more than a second makes me think she's too scared to talk to me. Though I know I need to work on my game I don't think that's the problem. I can have a one on one conversation with women I'm trying to bed in a certain atmosphere. But a situation like this that has a low key atmosphere has haunted me more than I'd like to admit.
red-arctic-tern 8y ago
Sounds like you are too awkward. If girls saw you as an alpha they would light up and enjoy the interaction.
Mateusz77 8y ago
Thank you for the input, I don't really see myself as an awkward person but I'm definitely open to the fact that I could be. I thought the same thing over in my head after the first lab period I had with her. Yesterday was the second lab of the semester and she did open up a little bit more but she still seemed a little closed up I guess. I was fine having conversations with the two other girls at my lab table (forgot to mention my school has a 70-30 girl to guy ratio). We were all joking around and stuff and she would hop in every now and then but whenever I tried to talk to her we would have a decent conversation at the beginning but then she'd just either stop talking and focus on her work or she'd just smile and look away. I realized typing this out that perhaps my talking skills just got worse and she got bored of the conversation but looking back from my perspective I don't think that I was that boring or awkward. I'm curious for your guy's input thanks again.
red-arctic-tern 8y ago
Perhaps your attempt to have a conversation is awkward... or if not, too forced. Girls don't really need a conversation. Just have fun and you'll make them feel tingles.
TRP_MushaShugyo 8y ago
Agreed. OP check out The Book of Pook (again, since I'm assuming you've read the sidebar)
Ludajl 8y ago
Some girls just have low confidence and it sounds like you're picking up on that. Unconfident girls usually aren't comfortable with their sexuality or being flirted with in the traditional way. I would start by asking yourself if you're actually attracted to girls like this.
With confident girls, flirt. With unconfident girls, use the echo technique (NLP) to gain rapport.
Some guys don't like changing their strategy based on the other person, but I think some calibration is a good thing. If you go into every interaction with one frame and one frame only, then don't complain when the interaction goes south because the other person isn't comfortable entering it.
Mateusz77 8y ago
What is the echo/nlp technique I don't think I've come across that could you point me in the direction?
Ludajl 8y ago
https://youtu.be/ui7h8CTSD_8 This is a basic example of echo being used. 8:15 - 10:10 Notice how he just echoes her words back to her, she beams and gives him more. He's using echo in the context of what he calls the "3 magic questions," but echo technique works for ANYTHING. And you can use it on absolutely anyone, it also works great in business and sales. It flies under the radar and is the fastest way to get in rapport with someone.
So going back to your example, an unconfident girl won't respond well to your usual flirting, but you can get in rapport with her by asking her basic questions and giving her words back to her.
Goes without saying but this is a powerful technique. Be careful how you use it.
[deleted] 8y ago
Do the majority of talking at start,only light, funny topics,small talk. She will open up when she sees you are taking it lightly and making jokes.
Mateusz77 8y ago
Yea I do some talking at the beginning joke around and stuff about the class or other things but she never seems to want to go further. Now I don't know if this is because she doesn't want to talk to me or because she's scared for some reason. After all she did choose to be my lab partner this week which was the second time I've had an encounter with her. Thanks for the response!
[deleted] 8y ago
My pleasure. Maybe she needs more time to open up, so you should do small talk/short joke almost every time you guys encounter each other. I cant see how she acts (what her body language is saying) or what gut tells me she is like, so you should keep an eye on this things: if she is cold, almost rude, where is she facing her feet (to you or some place away from you), where her hands are, etc. etc.
borntobeanincel 8y ago
i have a theory that i have not verified. tell me if this is true, mostly true, false or mostly false. theory: higher the testosterone, higher the sex drive and higher masculinity. Higher masculinity attracts more women and so results in more sex. Basically, this is a self fulfilling prophecy. However, is the opposite of this true? i.e. lower testosterone, lower sex drive, less masculine and so less sex with women. If testosterone is lower in beta males then this would make a lot of sense
chaseemall 8y ago
Dude, this is just accepted fact around here.
Honest question, did you read the sidebar? All of it?
borntobeanincel 8y ago
i read all of it. i love reading. what i dont do implement information.
chaseemall 8y ago
Well, then you'd know that your theory is pretty common knowledege.
This is why lifting is such a primary thing around here, along with diet, etc. It's all T-maximization.
Note: You can be a High-T autiste, and never get laid. You need to practice too, and develop social skills as well.
[deleted] 8y ago
You are saying if if u have more of something, it affects things one way, and you want to know if you have less of same thing, it will have the opposite effect on things.
Ofcourse this is true, it's...basic logic. If i have more body fat, it makes me look more fat, so if i have less body body fat, it makes me look less fat.
borntobeanincel 8y ago
is it possible that beta males are beta because of low testosterone?
[deleted] 8y ago
I would say thats definitely one of the reasons. But other things can affect, like upbringing (for instance, i have 3 years older brother who was always the more dominant one when we were kids, so i learned to follow him and be below him in social hiearchy).