I have a term I use for this concept with my friends but it's a little unique so if I use it I will definitely doxx myself so I won't. I'll just explain it.
Women are happier with and more faithful to men who can and do cheat.
So cheat. Don't worry if she's cheating. Just worry about finding new bitches to fuck, and don't give a fuck when she finds out.
When she finds out, tell her you completely understand her being upset--that if you ever found out she cheated you would dump her without a second thought (because you're a man and she's a woman and women cheat for a different reason than men), so if she wants to leave you won't make it hard on her. There's the door.
You see...I've done this. Several times. And you know what's funny? They never take you up on your offer.
You see they just found out, definitively, that other women still want you. You just built up your social proof, and you didn't break frame when she threw the biggest shit test she could muster at you. Now, she knows if she DOES walk out that door, that other bitch, or those other bitches, win. You become the prize to be won. And women HATE losing to other women.
She'll rationalize "well...sure he fucks them. but he doesn't take them to meet his friends. he doesn't introduce them to his family. he doesn't share his finances with them. he doesn't marry them. he just uses them. and hell, I know I don't want to have sex as often as he does, so that's not the worst thing in the world for me. these other girls are almost doing me a favor--keeping him happy, keeping him satisfied. Making up where I fail, biologically. Ok, I can live with this."
And she will. She does. Every damn day, the world over, there are HOT women staying with men despite knowing their men can and do cheat and you wanna know something funny? They're more satisfied with their relationships than most women-because they are WITH a chad.
You see, this dgaf attitude, this "you can't hold me down" attitude, the image of the guy with hot girls hanging off him and chasing him...that's why she fell for you in the first place. And now that you're in a relationship, you think you should change? You think you should become what she SAYS she wants, rather than what her actions have PROVEN she wants?
If you change from that, do you think she'll stay in love with you? She's already shown you what she likes. Actions don't lie. Words will. All day long words will issue forth from the mouth of a woman that tempt her man to become a docile little pussy. And if the man listens to those words, his women will lose interest and fall for some other chad who still has those qualities.
But if you're always that challenge. Always that Chad. You have nothing to worry about. Or at least, much less to worry about. She might still cheat, but again, it's less likely now. The risk of losing you to another woman if she cheats is too high. It's too painful. Nobody likes to think about their property spending time happily in the arms and bed of another. Especially women.
So when they find themselves a cheater, a stud, a chad, they try to lock him down. But even if he becomes their "boyfriend" or even if he marries them, if he never stops cheating, her interest is never spent. Her challenge is never over. Her obsession only grows.
She'll respond by getting into better shape. By dressing sexier. By doing everything he wants in bed. By inviting other girls into the bed with them. She'll still try to keep him from cheating, but if he keeps doing it, she'll eventually just say she's fine with it--just please keep it on the DL or to invite her to join in sometimes so she doesn't feel left out.
This may seem like dark stuff to some of you, and it scares you too much to consider doing but...it's sounds theory. Women love men who cheat and then, when caught, dgaf. So cheat. And dgaf. You'll both be happier because of it.
BaiLoulong 8y ago
Incorrect, yet again. It's remarkable really. Ok, here I'll take a legitimate minute to help you out and then I'm done. There is a real diminishing return on trying to help some people. First, I couldn't care less about "cheating". Which, no, is not the same as plate spinning. I have 3 plates currently. They are generally aware of each other. 2 have met in the past. They don't talk about each other in any other way than maybe a casual reference. Plates have no assumption of monogamy. Wives do. When you call it cheating, you admit to lying, which is admitting someone has power over you. They have the power to tell you what is right and wrong. If you had frame, you'd simply say up front that you're banging other women, but you're not. (Either saying it or doing it, in my estimate.) In the U.S, all 50 states plus D.C have no-fault divorce. Either party can pick up and leave. The reason why most men don't is usually a coin flip. They're either scared of divorce rape or have scarcity mentality. You're trying to make an argument for giving more power and more potential for divorce rape to a woman you don't want to be married to in the first place. That's incredibly unintelligent. You've been fantastically incorrect since your first post. You've had to resort to assumption and ad hominem, the domain of the unintelligent and uneducated. Real atheists consider religion a non-starter...like astrology and alchemy in comparison to astronomy and chemistry. You seem have latent and repressed anger about your religion, which clearly landed you in a marriage with a sad sack land whale, and results in your misinterpretation of the right way to deal with it. If you don't believe in something, it doesn't form the basis for your arguments. Your kiddie anger, writing style/grammar and lack of ability to take criticism speak volumes about your age and experience level. Your posts getting refuted, down voted and utterly dismantled, followed by your assertion that the reasoning for such things is something no one mentioned, solidifies what most of us already knew. I've slapped you around enough to get my fill. With regards to atheism, read some Hitchens and Sam Harris. You'll learn to gather your thoughts and understand how intelligent non-believers think. With regards to women, you've already established that you're just stuck. Sorry. GG, kid.
redpillrobby 8y ago
Well, I appreciate the effort. And as for the land whale I married, well...if you say so.
As for me giving my power over to her to some degree I can't say I disagree with that either. But you see, I don't really regret getting married. Partially because obviously i have a taste for land whales, but secondly, because unlike most of your friends here will never come to realize because they are in fact ugly losers and they won't ever date or marry a...land whale like my wife (I so like that term), well...they wouldn't have come to the conclusion that I did.
And that conclusion is that in a man's duality he craves two lifestyles simultaneously: the familiar and the unfamiliar.
Well, there's really no better way to grow and enjoy the familiar than getting married.
And there's really no better way to enjoy the unfamiliar than say...I don't know...going to fucking Thailand or South America for a summer with your buddies and fuck half a country?
Anyway, I came to notice in the 30 years before I did me wed, that while I loved dating, I craved the familiarity of an LTR. But when I had an LTR I missed the excitement and variety that only dating provided.
So I stopped kidding myself. And I got married. But I kept dating. And life has been wonderful for me.
And despite your banshee cry that "everyone" on this site is against me and therefore I must be wrong, there are a few other posters whose opinions actually matter on the subject because they know from good old experience that I'm right. Women want cheaters. It's why your 3 HB10 plates (I'm sure they are) continue to see you. The thrill of the hunt. The competition. Oh no, I'm sure your dick is just THAT good, right? No.
What you simply fail to realize for WHATEVER reason, is that you don't have to chose between two lifestyles, because one complements and reinvigorates the other. A healthy diet is great, but so is dessert. One without the other just doesn't have the same zest.
I've experimented when going out with my other married friends with wearing our rings and not wearing our rings and I tell you right now, we get a MUCH better response from women when we wear them.
And those same friends, and apparently a few posters who have ALSO been downvoted to hell by your little brigade of single men who still cling to notions about the honor of relationships, and that oh so sacred OATH and value of your word, as you like to say (I suggest reading "Love's Labour's Lost" by Shakespeare if you want to know what I, and other people with a brain think about that concept) can vouch for the wisdom I'm imparting here.
I know the information STILL offends your sensibilities. You've stated you think it means I'm giving someone else power over me. True, but what I get in return is that awesome "familiarity" thing I was talking about earlier. Or perhaps you think it's too risky for the majority of posters here--given the threat of divorce rape and such, and admittedly, most posters here probably shouldn't ever marry, and a big reason for that, I believe, is because they could never pull this off. I mean, you could, obviously. After all you've got those 3 HB10 plates you told me about, right? Of course you could, but you're just too honorable and NOBODY controls you. So sweet.
Believe me or not, there are hordes of men, some of whom replied in this thread, who would vouch for what I'm saying. And they would say, like I did once, how surprised they were that it worked like that. And yet there it is.
You keep your morals, kiddo. Whether you got them from Jesus or from Hitchens or from your dear old mum (who, I'm sure, was also an HB10), and I'll keep my land whale and all that other stuff you obviously don't believe I have. Adieu.
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This is just awful, borderline sociopathic advice.
redpillrobby 8y ago
I'll take that as a compliment.
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Open one-way monogamy is the only option for men. She has to be made aware that she's a market saturated commodity with depreciable value. Her every waking thought should be a rumination over how little worth she brings to the table and how she can reconcile that by serving and pleasing you. You aren't immoral for acknowledging she isn't enough. But by sharing this tacit acknowledgment with her you encourage her to try harder and be the best version of herself she can be. She does better knowing the little bump on her nose bothers you and that the extra 5 lbs of weight she gained during finals week is way more important to you than her prelaw GPA. Specifically cull girls that are superior to her in areas she's insecure about. She must strive to constantly improve or be replaced. They have no intrinsic drive so this is an excellent motivator for keeping her fuckable. It's healthy for her to feel the white hot sting of your scrutiny. No better way to achieve that than her counting your plate collection.
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[deleted] 8y ago
Far healthier and safer to merely apply dread...
But what do i know
redpillrobby 8y ago
You don't know. And it's not healthier or safer. Your dread doesn't mean shit if there's not actual cheating to back it up. You turn into the boy who cried wolf.
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Fair enough if that's what works for you. But why deny yourself if you want more. You owe nothing to anyone but yourself and you certainly should honor the mating strategy that best serves your natural inclinations as a man.
keysomea 8y ago
Really difficult to put my opinion on this post. OP seemed to have embraced plate spinning in all relationships and maybe that is even just right but the factor of time management and that women are not really that stupid kinda fucks up the theory.
redpillrobby 8y ago
If you can't spin the plates, at least pick them up once in a while.
As a married man, you go crazy if you don't. And you become dependent on your wife for sex, and she can sense that, and uses it to destroy you. Fuck other girls once in a while though, and you bypass most of that. And, if she digs and happens to learn the truth, how you respond is key. And if you respond right, don't ever worry about a dead bedroom, friend. That will not be a problem for you.
keysomea 8y ago
I do agree that being in a routine with a women fucks up the whole aspect of plate theory and it bores the hell out of me thats for sure.
redpillrobby 8y ago
I've said to my buddies that it's like this:
We want to buy a house, but we also want to travel. Society tells us we have to choose between those.
But if you just stay in your house all day you get bored. And if you just travel all the time you get tired.
You need both. You don't necessarily need MARRIAGE (I probably would have avoided that if I had found TRP sooner), but you DO need an LTR. You crave that familiarity. That bond. That growth. That depth. And even though you have some of that with your male friends, it's not quite the same.
But you also crave variety. That doesn't really need explaining. It's obvious that we all want whatever hot new piece of ass enters our world, regardless of where we are or what our situation is. We always want new, young, hot ass.
The only solution, is to buy that house but still take those trips. Sure, your "house" might be a little jealous, but if you never go, it will get stale and sick of you too. And then you're fucked just the same.
keysomea 8y ago
So for a man is essential necessary an LTR ?
redpillrobby 8y ago
You should rephrase that but I think I catch what you're saying.
I can't speak for all men, but if AWALT, then I kinda think AMALT. And in my experience, and with the men I've come to know over the years, there is a definite craving for a real relationship.
I've heard people here say that men are the true romantics. I think there's good evidence for that. But mainly, it's super tiresome to go out every single night looking for something new.
Being totally single is exhausting. But when you have a cute little girlfriend/wife, then going out a few times a month with your boys is just a fucking blast. And hitting it off with girls in random places where you don't have to put more effort in that just saying hi...super rewarding.
So yeah, I think we crave both. And I have a hard time believing a man who says he's really, truly happy JUST fucking around all the time. I think he wants to fuck around, but I think he also wants some of what an LTR offers. I mean, I know I do.
keysomea 8y ago
So like a mixture of both worlds right ? I see your point yeah I think that maybe the LTR is the plan B.
redpillrobby 8y ago
Well, yeah. I mean...you want both. So have both. Your woman may get mad about it, but that's social conditioning. Her baser instincts will take over when she realizes you don't care if she leaves because you can clearly replace her anytime you want, her competitiveness with the other woman kicks in, and she starts fucking you like a porn star.
keysomea 8y ago
Got it thanks for the insight
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redpillrobby 8y ago
So you get all your sexual needs met from one girl? Kudos to you, bro. I mean, I doubt you're REALLY a man if that's the case. It goes against your ENTIRE nature. But if you're happy, I'm happy :)
bestmaleperformance 8y ago
I actually busted out laughing reading this, which is rare, I'll let you keep your ideas of what my life is like, lol, if you only knew.
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I think OP is a 12 year old nerd who has never dealt with women before.
This isn't the example we want to set for good men. I hope none of you follow this shit advice.
Use common sense and show respect. What goes around will come around. That is what a healthy relationship is.
redpillrobby 8y ago
Yeah. That's me.
And common sense has done the folks in this sub a lot of good.
"Yeah guys, just be nice to girls, then they'll be nice back, and suck your dick. Plus, Jesus and Santa are real."
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Dude I didn't say be a total nice guy. I said that you should act respectful. There is a huge difference. Guys like you are part of the problemm
I'm no white knight. Girls can be total shit bags too but you inspiring others to be shit bags isn't a good idea either.
To all of you guys reading this and judging me, how would you feel if your dad cheated on your mom?
Cheating is a serious thing, it tears families apart. Don't do it.
redpillrobby 8y ago
My dad did cheat on my mom, and it would have been fine, had he taken the advice I laid out here. My dad's problem wasn't that he cheated, but how he reacted to being found out. How he reacted to my mom freaking out. He could have handled that much better. Stronger. And if he had, she never would have left. Hell, she spent the next ten years obsessed with him. He could probably have had her back at any time but he decided she was crazy. And that's despite not taking my advice above. He/we never had to go through that, and he could have still gotten his dick wet with strange whenever he felt like it.
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Dude, that's a horrible childhood. You really think if your dad strung your mom around like you are suggesting guys do that you would be less fucked?
I'm so sorry man.
redpillrobby 8y ago
No my childhood was fantastic. They bickered sometimes and that was never fun, but that can be said of most people whose parents stayed together.
But I got twice the holidays and birthdays and twice the friends. It really wasn't bad at all. I then went on to college and graduated with a 3.5 GPA and have a wonderful career and a wife most guys would murder a small village for.
If you're that convinced that divorce is the worst thing in the world, I'm gonna guess that you're Christian or Mormon. It's not that big of a deal.
And yeah, I wish my dad had taken my advice above and KEPT my mom (but I was 6 at that time and didn't know this stuff ;). While childhood was good, it really would have been a tiny bit better having mom and dad under the same roof. If mom was happy (and she would be, if dad had followed my advice) we all would have been happy. Regardless of how much strange my dad was getting.
You religionists are so melodramatic.
SgtDowns 8y ago
Jesus you are a basket case
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stampadbag 8y ago
Meh, my opinion is if I am not happy with her/the situation I am in then I am hitting the door, not telling her to. I am not going to ignore it, hide it, be rude to her, whatever. I like the point of TRP of being IN CONTROL. Why give her the control over anything? But I don't plan on getting in LTR/marriage/etc for a very, very, very long time. If I am on a bad date, with friends not having a good time, I leave. I look out for my best interest.
redpillrobby 8y ago
Totally agree. But I'm not saying "if you're not happy with the situations, cheat" I'm saying if you like the situation and you want it to continue (i.e. not have her grow bored with you) cheat.
Aazaad 8y ago
This could work with some women, but I am not sure if it would work with all? Especially in a LTR?
redpillrobby 8y ago
The question isn't with the woman, it's with you. Can you pull it off. Can you maintain your frame. Can you keep ENOUGH of it on the DL so she doesn't feel she has no other choice but to leave. It's all on you.
[deleted] 8y ago
I applaud you for your effort for this troll post.
If you're serious, well i can't wait for a few of my favourite EC's to comment
redpillrobby 8y ago
The only troll here is you, friend. Go read the side bar. Spinning plates is TRP gospel for a reason.
[deleted] 8y ago
Your stupidity is astounding. Good luck in life
redpillrobby 8y ago
You clearly don't belong here. If you're against spinning plates, you haven't read the sidebar (or you don't understand it). Please don't post anymore.
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And you clearly need to learn how to read.
The entire concept of plate spinning is to cure a man of oneitis. How can he "fall in love with the one" if he's also porking 3 other women. He can't. So he picks his mate based on her skills, behaviour and loyalty.
The moment you become exclusive, plate spinning is meant to stop. That's when dread is applied. Subconsciously reminding her that you would do very well without her, therefore, keeping her in line.
Now, what you do with RP knowledge is your choice, you can become the most lecherous prick to walk the earth, that's your right as a man but listen to the advice of others before you burn your world down to the ground trying to fuck everything with a pulse
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redpillrobby 8y ago
Literally everything you just said is wrong. You really need to stop posting and go read the sidebar. Plate spinning is never meant to stop. You are never meant to "fall in love with the one." That is literally oneitis. Read your post, man. It's littered with contradiction.
*Also, to answer your question about how a man can "fall in love with the one" while porking other women. I'm very, very in love with my wife. The porking other women thing help me continue to behave and put off the energy it takes to keep her interested. It's literally TRP 101. You're just the moron who thought those rules stopped applying after marriage. They don't. As I said before, your dread becomes the boy who cried wolf if it's not backed up with actual cheating.
You know what? I think I smell a Christian. Or a whiney liberal. Who, for some reason, only agree on this one thing: men shouldn't cheat.
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ButtQuake89 8y ago
I shouldnt cheat, because Ive found someone I dont need to cheat on. I dont need to cheat to make my woman do stuff in bed that I want, she already does it because we love each other unconditionally.
I really feel sorry for people that will never feel that sense of completion.
Rough times ahead man
valvadi 8y ago
You definitely have some rough times ahead. Abundance mentality and dread work. Plain and simple. Ii eventually gets to a point where, subconsciously, she has to know you are 100% capable of cheating, that the other girl is a mere phone call away, and that you are fine with the consequences. redpillrobby and I disagree on whether or not you MUST cheat, but the underlying principle is the same. She must know you 100% can cheat at-will. If she doesn't, your dread will eventually have no effect.
redpillrobby 8y ago
Everything you say screams oneitis. If all you get from TRP is "use dread sometimes" you are in for a rude awakening. "I've found someone! I've found someone!" Fuck, dude. Just listen to your fucking self.
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ButtQuake89 8y ago
lol you dont know dog fucking shit about my situation
pseudo psychiatrists everywhere in this sub
redpillrobby 8y ago
"I found the one! I found the one! Aunty Em, I found the one! She'll do stuff I like in bed, Aunty Em!"
All you need now is a tiny dog and some red slippers.
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ButtQuake89 8y ago
What if she was married to my best friend and I was the best man at their wedding and now were together because he fucked up and all she needed was to see it?
Oh wait, you dont know anything about an individual persons life
Failed intellectuals have huge echo chambers now... wow
redpillrobby 8y ago
Ok so...because she cheated on him for you...you feel safe?
Wow, man. I just...I can't with you. You are literally a caricature of the people who find themselves here, but 6 months earlier.
Give me your girl's phone number. I bet you $50 I'll convince her to fuck me by the end of the week.
Throwaway1444778 8y ago
IQ tests need to be made mandatory before posting here
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[deleted] 8y ago
Foolish for most men here.
And frankly dangerous if you are married for most men.
Also, you forget about the time factors in LTR's
redpillrobby 8y ago
Marriage is inherently dangerous. If you got involved in it, cheating and holding frame is your best bet to keep it going and avoid getting divorce raped. What's the other option? "Yes dear?" Fidelity? Become captain apology? Becoming the very thing that she hates? Isn't that what every single guy here who got divorced raped did? Isn't that what every guy who made his way here in the first place did, which is why they're here? They played it safe? They played the nice guy schtick?
This is pure RP, and it works for marriages as well.
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Demonstrated capacity works well too. And you shouldn't do it just to create dread. That's stupid.
redpillrobby 8y ago
No, you should do it because you're a man, and men are polygamous. And women are hypergamous. And for a man to be happy he must be polygamous (it's worse than that though. Our sexual duality demands both familiarity and variety--hence our desire for steady relationships AND one-night flings), and for a woman to be happy she must be convinced she is with her very best option. And the very best option for a woman is chad. And chad is stud with lots of options and does what he wants.
You should cheat because you won't be happy if you don't. And you should cheat because SHE won't be happy if you don't.
Dread is a little different. There's overlap, but I'm not advocating doing this for the sake of dread.
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You know- words are important. Cheat is a looser word. Tell her you're going out to fuck other girls. Don't be ashamed Of your needs and wants
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MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 8y ago
This amounts to a rather crude and uncalibrated concept of plate spinning. It's as though you don't understand the details and nuances of the 12 levels of dread.
Once a man has really lived with abundance and fully internalized the mentality, it becomes unnecessary to keep many spinning to maintain this mindset. Having a large number of plates at once was gratifying and I don't regret it even now, but it was unsustainable and exhausting.
If you consider nonmonogamy your destiny, set up LTRs and marriage as nonexclusive from the start! Deliberately lying to one's SO will make SOME women cling more tightly to you, particularly low self-esteem and no-other-options types. In other scenarios, she will dump your ass and make scorched earth of your social matrix.
Nonmonogamous relationships usually thrive best in a don't ask, don't tell environment. If it gets in her face, it breaks the spell.
Cheating specifically means breaking your word to another. There is nothing masculine or Red Pill about deliberately choosing this path.
redpillrobby 8y ago
Totally agree. Don't think I suggested throwing it in her face. I certainly didn't mean to anyway. But they sneak and they spy and when your little ruse is discovered, calmly explaining that you understand if she wants to leave she can, that you won't make it hard for her, but that obviously those other girls are just there for sexual reasons and that you only actually love her...keeps that balance quite nicely.
JDeegs 8y ago
Maybe in an LTR, but in a marriage if you do it obviously enough and she collects proof, aren't you just inviting her to divorce rape you even worse?
g_e_m_anscombe 8y ago
Yes, yes, you are. This might just work if you do it once and never again. You will have created a ton of dread, and she might want to mend things still.
But if you do this repeatedly, either she will leave your cheating ass or prove that she has zero self-respect. It will be increasingly hard for you to respect her as well, at which point, your marriage will become a shitshow.
This is like playing with dynamite.
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redpillrobby 8y ago
Invite the divorce rape. Throw it on the table. Don't run from it. That gives her power. You make it clear "hey no biggie babe. If you wanna go, go. It won't be so bad. We'll divvy up half the assets, you'll get some cash for a few years, if it were me I would do it."
But again, they never take the offer. They always figure you have something up your sleeve, and they can't leave a man with that much confidence, because that's exactly what they yearn for in a man.
NakedAndBehindYou 8y ago
Or just... don't get married.
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Throwaway1444778 8y ago
I don't think divorce is quite as simple as that and I also don't think you should post on here, or really give your opinion anywhere again ????
ButtQuake89 8y ago
I agree with Throwaway, someone like this who obviously has serious issues with relationships and probably has had their trust destroyed by some bad women really shouldnt be giving any advice whatsoever on here without challenge.
redpillrobby 8y ago
Wait, YOU agree with Throwaway!??? No! I never would have guess that the two vaginas in this sub agree with each other. Never, not ever.
Please, pray tell, I want to hear more of this glorious relationship and this glorious woman you've found that doesn't apply to anything on TRP. Please friend, impart to us of your happy wisdom that none of us have ever experienced before ever.
Fuck dude, how are you even still allowed to post?
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ButtQuake89 8y ago
Shes definitely more red pilled than you and would call you a pussy to your face without fear of retaliation because my woman could wipe the floor with you and make it look like fucking art. What kind of man gets THIS triggered on the INTERNET over someone ELSE'S relationship? Instead of being an insecure child who thinks he has to cheat to get what he wants out of someone via manipulation, try being the person you want to attract instead and you will find it by being yourself. Lots of insecurity in this sub. I really feel for a lot of you, the world is a scary place when you think everyones out to get you. Im used to daddy issues in women but DAMN - Ive never had to deal with men who have blatant mommy issues. Glad I was born male because this shit is far FAR more complicated and it runs DEEP apparently
redpillrobby 8y ago
I love this guy. I think I'd like to keep him around now.
You hear that everyone? His girl is more red pill than me! And, he used the word "triggered!" Even better!
I love it! Keep talking!
PillTheRed 8y ago
Here's how I see it. You made a post on this sub. Now, you can either take the advice given to you, and change. Or, believe we are all a bunch of neck beards whose advice really shouldn't matter to you. In which case, why even bother posting here? You made a post, it received negative down votes, and everything you've said has also been thoroughly rejected by the community. So, and again, either you are wrong and should analyze and reflect. Or, you can believe none of us know what we are talking about. Your choice.
redpillrobby 8y ago
No, some of you DO know what you're talking about. Just not the ones disagreeing with me.
If you are disagreeing with me you either, A: have never been married, or B: are/have been married but have never done what I'm espousing.
The guys who have and have done this, are agreeing with me.
If you fall into category A or B, you shouldn't be talking. "this community" doesn't just up and decide a poster is wrong and that poster has to just deal with it. If what I say is unpopular with the new rank and file in this place, but matches with sidebar theory, then fuck each and every one of here for bringing in your false bullshit doctrines, and you should get your ass back over to the sidebar where it belongs.
redpillrobby 8y ago
Divorce is simply breaking up. Thinking of it differently is probably a result of societal conditioning. If you were dumb enough to get married (like I was), I'm giving you the best roadmap to make sure it works. And surprise, it's the same roadmap that helps any LTR work, as described in the sidebar. Act like a man, pass your shit tests, dgaf. If you haven't read the sidebar I don't blame you for not getting it.
JDeegs 8y ago
Gonna have to disagree. Divorce is a breakup with legal repercussions. Why on earth would you "invite the divorce rape" and potentially lose half your shit? It may work, but nothing is foolproof to work on 100% of women. Some actually have enough self respect to not let that shit fly, especially if they're still young and attractive enough to pull another chad (or bb, depending on their goals)
redpillrobby 8y ago
Well, first, you invited divorce rape the moment you got married. That was your real mistake in all of this (I'm married, I know). The question then, if you made that mistake is "How can you make the best of it, and how can you minimize your chances of getting divorced at all?"
So, first off, if you made that mistake, I would suggest making your wife get a job. I know a lot of you guys are convinced that women should stay in the home barefoot and pregnant, but I have a thousand reasons why I think that's fucking retarded. And alimony is one of those thousand reasons. You owe a hell of a lot less of it if your wife works (plus, her money is your money while you're still married--nice bonus).
Second, what's your alternative? If you got married, what's your plan for staying together? Be a nice guy? Do what she says she wants? Act like every other guy who has ever been cheated on/dumped in the history of mankind?
Also, "inviting divorce rape" is reverse psychology. It works like a charm. I've noticed it takes the wind out of their sails, and when they realize you'll be just fine without them if they leave...they can't. They can't stand it.
No. I am suggesting, that if you made this mistake, cling to TRP all the more. The biggest mistake you can make in a marriage, after getting married itself, is treating that marriage like it's something more special than any other LTR. That's the big mistake guys make. They settle down. They don't go out. They become a little house elf for their wives when they come home. They apologize. They sneak porn. It's pathetic. No wonder women leave us.
But I've found something else works better. You can try it. You can not. But I think you'd be surprised how well it works.
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etherealembryo 8y ago
Patrice said it best "women will only leave if you are hurting" and "if you righteously leave she will righteously stay"
RedPillAccount69 8y ago
Interestingly, I got busted cheating with a Hot Colombian chick last year. My marriage and sex life (which were always fine) have now gone to level 11.
My wife has really upped her game in all areas.
redpillrobby 8y ago
It's all in how you respond to her response. If you melt into a sniveling worm, apologizing, promising never to do it again, agreeing to counseling, etc. You're fucked. Don't do that, act totally fine with her leaving, and she'll go put on your favorite lipstick and panties. It's just plain true.
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redpillrobby 8y ago
Well I'm afraid I've skipped the adultery sub (that's how you spell it, by the way).
Also yes, I'm married. And my experience in this area is the only reason I'm posting this. You can believe that or not. It makes no difference.
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redpillrobby 8y ago
Holy shit, does MRP still exist? I honest to God haven't been able to locate it. Maybe I just don't know the URL.
Seriously, if I can stay the hell away from THIS sub, and only talk to married guys, I would highly prefer that. I don't give two shits what single guys think of my theory.
*edit - and...I googled "married red pill" and up it came. I perused it for a bit though and...now I'm not so sure that's the group I want to hang with. I'm not sure what I see there really qualifies as red pill. I'll give it a little longer though.
whatsthisgarg 8y ago
yeah, I was going to say. I can't read it, it's too sad.
I mean, there is a significant portion of guys over there, for instance, who have never done it doggy style with their wives. They actually have an acronym for Blow Job To Completion.
Can you imagine marrying a woman who has never let you fuck her with the lights on?
redpillrobby 8y ago
Holy shit. I...I just...no. No, I cannot.
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weakandsensitive 8y ago
are you kidding me? the dude went from 0 to butthurt real fast up top. this is some serious larping.
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whatsthisgarg 8y ago
I don't think a post like this would go over very well in MRP. Even considering all the Saving the man not saving the marriage theme.
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whatsthisgarg 8y ago
So you're saying there's more moral shaming faggotry going on here than over there? Actually, I wouldn't be surprised, there are so many children in TRP, and in MRP it is actually all (putative) adults who have seen combat.
BaiLoulong 8y ago
Spin plates in lieu of LTRs and marriage; not in addition to. That's the point...if you are spinning plates, there's no great reason for LTRs and certainly not marriage, save for having kids; even that is questionable.
"Inviting divorce rape" is reckless and, statistically, you will lose. If you haven't seen it happen, you're either not paying attention, not old enough, or both (both is my guess in your case). "Never take you up on the offer." Lol. Ok, kid. For every one unattractive post-wall hag that's fine with her husband cheating, there are countless women that drag men through hell on even the suspicion of cheating. What rock do you live under?
When you cheat in an LTR, you give away power to both your LTR/wife, and the women you cheat with.
This is literally, terrible advice.
redpillrobby 8y ago
That's simply not true.
As for "inviting divorce rape" you are already inviting it the moment you get married. I am espousing HOLDING FRAME in the face of divorce rape. If you think that's a bad idea, you don't understand TRP, psychology, or women, and you need to get your ass back to the sidebar.
BaiLoulong 8y ago
OP fails understanding basic theory, writes post filled with terrible advice, gets downvoted into oblivion, tells everyone to go read sidebar. Lol. Like the poor people trying to get friends to sign up for MLM schemes on FB.
redpillrobby 8y ago
Which part do you believe I misunderstood? Holding frame? Keeping options open?
My guess is you're a religious bitch who is still uncomfortable with the word "cheat."
Keep beating off to Jesus dude.
BaiLoulong 8y ago
It's adorable how angry you are. "Keeping options open"...lmao...says the clown who got married. Holding frame...sure. If you held frame you wouldn't have to lie. Oh and I'm not religious. I'm an atheist. Lol.
redpillrobby 8y ago
I like all the LOL's you use, you alpha man.
Such a tiny dicked bitch.
BaiLoulong 8y ago
I love how angry you are. Zero frame. That's why you're married.
redpillrobby 8y ago
Yes. And as I've said in my post, I don't recommend marriage, and I found the red pill after already being married, so I'm not sure what point you think you're making.
MY point, is simply that in any long term relationship, whether a girlfriend or a wife, cheating (often referred to as plate spinning) is a great way to have an LTR while avoiding oneitis. It's actually literally not new AT ALL. it's TRP 101 directly from the sidebar. Your little sensitivities are just triggered by the word "cheat." Which is fine. I know you're a Jesus Freak anyway, you can claim atheism for your convenience all you want. But you stink of Jesus.
whatsthisgarg 8y ago
I've been watching you get shit on in real time. I think there is exactly 1 person who agrees with you, and maybe 2 who agree with massive conditions.
Lots of moral fag shaming going on.
You should maybe have been a little more careful in your wording, because you really are advocating doing 2 things: 1. cheat, and 2. get caught. Yeah, don't throw it in her face, but a lot of your advice is really based on the getting caught. That's not really necessary, or I guess it depends.
Anyway, my perspective is this. I've been married a long fucking time, and I KNOW that I would very much regret it if I had not fooled around. Those were ADVENTURES that I had, and now I have these great memories. If I had passed on those opportunities, it would be just that: passed opportunities, and that's the kind of shit you regret.
Another thing: those affairs are secrets that I have. Of many other, possible shitty things I have done. My wife knows I have secrets, she has said as much, and she has explicitly said, to me and other people, that knowing that is a considerable attractive thing about me.
Another thing: the affairs were all emotionally charged, though NEVER a threat to the marriage as far as I was concerned. Charged, in that the particular other woman was a significant figure in the mythology of cheating.
So yes, I recommend it, but not the getting caught part. Almost getting caught, yes, that works. That happened last NYE. We were not fully in the act, and it was definitely over the line, but there was just enough plausibility to it just being overly and inappropriately affectionate. She was pissed that night, but there was no apology from me, no explanation, and we were back to fucking the next day.
redpillrobby 8y ago
Great reply. I agree, there's no point in trying to get caught, or in not trying not to. My wife knows what I'm up to. She doesn't say she loves it, but her behavior does. In 8 years, I've only been really caught twice. THAT'S where the shit test comes in, and THAT'S what I'm talking about. I'm not advocating getting caught, I'm saying getting caught doesn't have to be the worst thing in the world, because if you handle it properly, you will come out of it just fine and not only will she not leave you, but she'll actually become more sexual and more loving and attentive.
You get it.
whatsthisgarg 8y ago
Another, HUGE factor, for me, is: you can never be absolutely sure about your partner/wife. Personally, I trust mine about 85%, maybe 90%. I mean, I think there is a small chance that SHE cheated on me. I would feel like complete shit if I found out she had, ONLY IF I had not. As it is, I can't really care about that. And I love that feeling.
As I said in another post/same theme, last week: she doesn't want to know. But that's true only if you are hot enough.
And you are correct, it's your reaction that makes or breaks this. I was also almost caught twice. The first time, the ex-lover moved back to town, we are fooling around for months. Then my wife finds a note (back when people actually wrote shit by hand). I didn't try to interfere, I just let her read it and freak out. I knew there was nothing that would incriminate me, because I didn't write it! So, no, don't fucking admit anything!
The second time, her best friend was sleeping on our couch. We had been fooling around for a few weeks, but this time, at 3 in the morning, we were just sitting on the couch with my arm around her (I'm not an idiot). My wife comes down and sees, and just goes right back upstairs so she can blow up later. I was not guilty (at the time), so I don't have to admit anything.
She actually brings that up every once in a while. Last time she did, it was more than 15 years after it happened. All I had to say was All the cells in my body have changed TWICE since then!
redpillrobby 8y ago
Oh man. Pure gold. Man after my own heart.
domoli 8y ago
I agree with both of your replies here. You are most likely a fair amount higher SMV than your wife, and therefore you have fucked her friends, enemies, roommates, etc. Keep in mind, should you be closer to her SMV, this is much less likely to be true.
The strange part of this is that you believe her to be loyal (90% sure), while she's fairly certain you're consistently cheating on her (only lacking hard evidence). Sure, you've almost been caught a few times, and have gotten away with it countless times. What makes you believe she's attempted 0 times, and cheated 0 times?
When both partners are high SMV, I think the best bet is an approach similar to what Blackdragon talks about. It's almost bothersome for either person to commit to exclusivity, and if both people have a grasp on their SMV and the downfalls of monogamy, I think a more transparent approach to polygamy is MUCH preferred to the deceitfulness of the relationships being portrayed in this thread.
whatsthisgarg 8y ago
That is true; the man has to be higher.
She doesn't want to know, she doesn't want it to be true, so she doesn't press it. She can live in her fantasy world and be happier about it. That fantasy world has doubts, she can think about it briefly, and then deny it to herself.
Like I said, I can't care about that. Not really that I DON'T care, I CAN'T care. I might be a shit, but I'm not a hypocrite.
I look at her and think "did she? Fuck it, I know I'm better anyway." Maybe she thinks pretty much the same way I do, and she did cheat, just to get it out of her system. I don't want to know, either. If she did, it was years ago, and that's not my problem now.
redpillrobby 8y ago
You're responding to someone who is assuming that women are polygamous, not hypergamous. Now, granted, it's possible that your wife has found men she thought had better genes/etc than you and fucked them, but keep in mind the risk, the cost, if you are, yourself, exceptionally high on the SMV totem pole, is exceptionally high for her. My guess is she would have to come into fairly regular contact with such guys, or one such guy, many many times before getting up the guts and working out the logistics to make that happen GIVEN THAT RISK. Again, women are hypergamous. If you seem more steady, more solid, more confident, and more sexually desired in a cumulative way than the vast majority of guys she runs into, she's simply not going to have enough time/opportunity to work up the guts to cheat on you.
It's not a guarantee, but your chances VASTLY improve when you behave like a chad, that her NEED to branch swing to another chad just won't be present.
Also, I agree with the "I can't care" approach. You can drive yourself crazy trying to catch a girl cheating, and she may or may not be doing it. I will say this, when you think about it all the time, when you worry about it all the time, your energy shifts and your behavior follows suit and you begin to behave in the exact way that drives her away. In other words, you start to act like a mate-guarding pussy. The less you spy, the less you worry, the less you mate-guard--the better chance you have at keeping her honest. Be the man she wants and she won't go looking for that man elsewhere. Stay the man she fell for in the first place.
whatsthisgarg 8y ago
FINALLY, some words of wisdom. I am so sick of the usual shit you get on here she's already cheating on you bro.
Also rare insight. But it is really that simple. (Slight qualification: the man she fell for in the first place was in the process of getting hotter and more interesting and a better lover every day, so I am continuing that process.)
domoli 8y ago
I don't think that's accurate. Don't get me wrong, I agree with most of your reply. Stay the man she fell for, 100%. I even slightly agree with 'her need to branch swing won't be present'. If you're on your A-game, running dread, high SMV, etc., chances are her levels of subterfuge are low.
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However, this does not apply to instances where she has little to no chance of being caught, therefore 0 risk of ruining her current situation with you. Add some alcohol and watch the remaining doubt wash away. Just look at the Chris Brown post here a few days ago...chances are your chick won't be at an afterparty with Chris Brown, but if she's high SMV (like you), it's very easy for her to get some random, high SMV dick, and hide it from you completely. And the cherry on top is, she gets to rationalize it away like only women can: you're emotionally unavailable, probably out fucking other chicks, and not giving her enough time.
redpillrobby 8y ago
Good points.
I find one of the best ways to mate-guard without mate-guarding is to actually INVITE the infidelity, verbally. If you think she's going somewhere inappropriate, just tell her to have a good time and suck a lot of dick. Something clicks in the female brain when you actually PUSH her to, with your words, to do something she knows you don't want her to do. It freaks her the fuck out. It makes her think that, if she goes, that's what YOU plan to do (not suck dick, obviously, but fuck around). I can't tell you how many times my wife's plans "suddenly fell through" after telling her to be sure to find a boyfriend while she's out, to make out with some hot guys for me, to get pregnant with another man's baby so he can pay us child support, etc. When I tell her "stay out all night I'll be fine I've got my own plans." Haha. Oh man, women aren't that hard, guys. If you seem to worry and resist cheating, you invite it. If you seem to welcome and dare her to cheat so you can cheat and/or leave her/regain your bachelor freedom, they opt to stay home and suck your cock instead.
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