In this post, I'm going to discuss asset protection in relation to trusts:
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What is a Trust? (Part 1 of 4)
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For what purposes do you use a Trust? (Part 2 of 4)
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Trusts & Marriage / Trusts & Divorce (Part 3 of 4)
- The Death Tax & Trust Income Taxes (Part 4 of 4)
Can a trust help me avoid divorce rape?
First, there's absolutely no way I can answer this question. Why? Because the answer entirely depends on (A) where you live, (B) the specific facts of your specific situation, and (C) the judge in your divorce case.
As I said at the end of my previous post, trust law is mostly established at the state level (with some federal laws, like bankruptcy, having an effect on the imperviousness of your trust shield). Since every state has their own laws, that means every state can have a different rule on the same subject. Plus, the courts in each state have their own nuance of culture and shit; so even if two states have literally the same statutory law, the courts in each state can interpret that law entirely differently.
I'll give you an example. StateA and StateB border each other (I'm not giving you the names because then some shit will be obvious that I don't want to be obvious). In this example, we're using residential Landlord-Tenant law. When you move out of an apartment, the landlord owes you your security deposit back (assuming you didn't fuck shit up in the apartment).
This aspect of the law is pretty much identical in both StateA and StateB. The law says that the landlord has 30 days to either return your security deposit back to you or provide you a written accounting of the repairs that the security deposit was used for. The landlord has 30 days to give this to you.
StateA says that if the landlord doesn't give this to you in 30 days, then the landlord owes you 1.5x the amount of the security deposit. So if your security deposit was $100 and the landlord doesn't give you anything within 30 days, then the landlord owes you $150.
Well, the courts in StateA say, "yep, if the landlord doesn't give you the shit within 30 days, then his ass owes you 1.5x the amount. Judges do not have any discretion over this. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Landlord fucking owes 1.5x the security deposit. End of story."
What about StateB? Well, very similar to StateA, StateB says that if the landlord doesn't give this to you in 30 days, then the landlord owes you 2x the amount of the security deposit. So if your security deposit was $100 and the landlord doesn't give you anything within 30 days, then the landlord owes you $200, right?
Well, no. The courts in StateB say, "well... even though the statute says '2x', the judge has the discretion to award up to 2x, if the judge in his discretion believes it to be appropriate." What the shit is that? Well, since I represented the tenant in StateA and represented the slumlord in StateB, that worked out perfectly for me in both cases. But the point is that even though it's basically the same law in both states and these two states border each other, the rule applied in court is wildly different.
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So there's no way for me to tell you whether a trust will work for you because the rules are different all over the country. You want to know how it might possibly work for you? Then go talk to an estate planning lawyer near you.
What I can do is give you an overview of things to be aware of.
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Ok, I'm going to cheat here and just link to a few other articles that give you the gist of the information you should be aware of. Honestly, I don't do divorces and I don't do offshore trusts, so these articles are going to do a better job of explaining the concepts of how trusts & divorce and trusts & offshore asset protection intersect, better than I could explain from scratch.
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https://www.forbes.com/2006/12/27/divorce-familytrusts-gifts-pf-estates-in_mb_1228money_inl.html
- https://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0809/international-investing-asset-protection-trust-offshore-hide-money.html
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The take away here is that there are almost as many flavors of ice cream as there are laws related to this subject. I know you wanted a simple explanation, but the complexities of our world prohibit a simple answer from existing.
Several users have PM'd me asking about ways to avoid losing assets in a marriage. Well, buddy, I've got news for you: as a legal construct, one of the principle functions of marriage is to facilitate the easy transfer of property from one spouse to the other. THAT is the fucking point of marriage as a matter of law, the legal facilitation of assets to your spouse!
Hell, even the tax code has a provision about this. If you give $10 million to your brother, your mother, your sister, your father, or even your children, then you're going to incur tax on that transaction. But you can give your spouse $10 million or $10 billion, and there are no taxes incurred in that transaction. (See 26 U.S.C. § 1041).
So if your intention was to find a way to avoid losing assets in the event of an impending divorce, things may not look good for you. I highly suggest you speak to a divorce attorney near you to discover your options.
You want to know a story of what happens when you fraudulently hide assets during a divorce proceeding? The year was 1996. Denise Rossi was married to Thomas Rossi for 25 years. They lived in California. Suddenly, out of nowhere, Denise tells Thomas she wants a divorce. I know, many readers here are shocked at the suddency.
Shortly after the divorced is finalized, Thomas discovers that 11 days before she filed for divorce, Denise won the California State Lottery.
So Thomas takes Denise back to court. It comes out that Denise filed for divorce specifically because she didn't want to share her lottery winnings with her husband of 25 years.
The court frowned on this behavior. You know how divorce court is typically stacked against the man? Well, because of Denise's failure to disclose the lottery winnings during the divorce proceedings and because it was pretty shitty of her to divorce her husband merely to prevent him from sharing those winnings, the judge order Denise to give all of the lottery winnings over to Thomas. Not half. Fucking ALL the lottery winnings.
So if a divorce court did that to a woman for hiding assets, what do you think they'll do to you if they find out you fraudulently hid or transferred assets to avoid your spouse from having them? Inquire with a local divorce lawyer to find out more.
But of course, Denise's real crime was that she got caught. Growing up, my grandmother taught me, "you don't need a driver license to drive; you only need a driver license when you get pulled over." I'm just saying, you have the freedom to do anything. The punishment only occurs when you get caught. So make your asset disposition plans accordingly. Just don't be surprised if you get burned if you play with fire.
Look, across the country, there is one thing that is true in all 50 states. The one, just one, absolutely fool-proof way to avoid losing your shit in a divorce. I'll let the commenters guess as to what that might be. (Except for those common law marriage states. Those mother fuckers have different rules. You gotta watch out for that shit if you live in one of those jurisdictions because I have heard stories about common law divorces being a thing. They're just not a thing in my jurisdictions, so I don't know anything about them to be able to comment.)

responsible_D 9y ago
Looking forward to part 4. I may have missed it in the earlier parts, or maybe it will be in part 4, but is it the case that placing assets into a trust is not itself a taxable event?
Mckallidon 9y ago
If I was dumb enough to get married, I'd have cash boxes buried everywhere. $5 in the bank. Sign everything I own to my little cuz. Divorce rape that.
dr_warlock 9y ago
Society needs to get this through their damn skulls. Marriage is not and has never been about love. It is an economic contract used to centralize wealth and pass it down to legacies. Period. After the Industrial Revolution (women capable of entering workforce==> vote), the contract was being revised beyond recognition and has no meaning. For some reason, marriage is the only contract they don't read other than credit cards. And the school system doesn't teach you, just like The Fed and money (1913), the IRS (Fed Reserve debt collector police), property tax (rent), and a bunch of other important shit. Ever wonder why? If you get married today, you're a complete dumbass. No exceptions.
Hillarysdilddo_2016 9y ago
Historically marriage is also a consolidation of power. Two political houses join through marriage.
But yes. If you're a plebeian and or not living in medieval times then marriage is a dumb as shit move.
Just ask yourself one question: "what do I gain by signing this contract?"
Answer: "Jack and shit. And Jack left town."
Edit: I support polygamous marriage. In that case maybe one should consider the benefit.
sailorJery 9y ago
Rich people get married, is it because they're exploiting themselves? Marriage has value.
redditer0 9y ago
I'm curious about what's the point of rich people getting married (and screwed on divorces too). For example, TV and film actors... they really don't know it's dangerous? They really fall in love? I honestly doubt that's the reason... so we might be losing something. Maybe Brad Pitt really don't care loosing half of his assets because he has a lot, but IDK.
dr_warlock 9y ago
Those who benefit from marriage:
ancient times: royalty and bankers.
today: Private Bankers (Rothschilds) and families like the Rockefellers etc (Trillionaires), do it to form alliances and keep power within the name. They don't get divorced raped because they aren't subject to the laws of the land because they make the laws of the land.
To elaborate, you need to understand the true hierarchy of society.
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1) bankers/big religion
2) large corporations
3) government
4) everyone else.
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To understand the division between 1 and 2 & 1 vs. 2-4, all you have to look at who pays taxes? Even large corporations have to pay corporate taxes, property taxes (rent to government), taxes on dividends ,and franchise taxes (paying for the right to do business). What are taxes for? Most taxes go to paying off the federal debt and the debt enforcement agencies. What is debt? After 1912, the 'Federal Reserve' bribed politicians to adopt a debt based monetary system. The Fed have an absolute monopoly on all money production, then they lend it to the government at INTEREST, then the government passes it into circulation for the public. Every dollar has interest, which mean, the debt can never be paid and requires an ever expanding economy and 'collection' to maintain it's existence. This is what taxes are. The IRS (government AKA corporation with guns) is but a debt collection agency.
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In other words, bankers own and control EVERYTHING. They don't get divorce raped and thus have no fear of marrying. Everyone that pays taxes (non bankers AKA everyone else) is automatically a second tier citizen and is eligible to be screwed. This is why even billionaire oil tycoons, big tech guys, professional athletes, and celebrities get fucked in divorce court. You'd be surprised that most of them don't understand The Fed and the true nature of the world and the nature of women.
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redpillbanana 9y ago
It's gotten to the point where a man needs to build a financial firewall between himself and his wife. It starts with the prenup but it doesn't end there. You have to keep separate accounts and make it very clear what assets you brought into the marriage yourself. Trusts help as well (given the caveats OP mentioned).
This guy did a good job of summarizing advice from Tom Leykis regarding marriage. It shows all the things a man needs to worry about in this day and age:
EatmyShorts59 9y ago
Leykis has ALWAYS been the big Homey !!!
Thanks for posting this.
Do you have any other notes from Leykis?
Edit: Just clicked on that link, Definitely going to be reading that !!!!
Hillarysdilddo_2016 9y ago
Why go through all that work for the guarantee of maybe? Just don't do it... There is no upside.
Swelfie 9y ago
There certainly is if she is the wealthy one.
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Mail_Order_Lutefisk 9y ago
The additional transaction costs can certainly help avoid fights for upper middle class people because the added discovery and litigation costs aren't worth it for the marginal money. If you're super wealthy, though, the corpus of a trust will draw out bloodsucking lawyers like moths to a flame. Dickens wrote a classic, Bleak House, centering around an estate battle with alpha widow issues woven in.
Swelfie 9y ago
I work in risk mitigation strategies. The real goal is not to avoid all legal risk: you can't and trying to do so is a sunk cost with diminishing returns. You avoid the obvious ones that are low hanging fruit and you take the risks with good return. The goal is also not to win in court (unless it is a completely manufactured case to establish case law, or a tactical assault). The real goal is to be too expensive to ever even consider going to court. This isn't alway money. Expense can be loss freedom to operate, public relations, etc. If you walk into a court, you lose. The goal is that if you are ever attacked, you calmly explain how this is going to play out and if your attacker wins, which may be likely, they will be in a far worse off position than they are currently, so we might as well come to an amicable agreement right here and both walk away still breathing.
Mail_Order_Lutefisk 9y ago
1041 deals with capital gains - it says there is no recognition event for property transfers between spouses. I think the Code section you wanted to reference is 26 USC 2523. Another point, if your spouse isn't a US citizen, the non-recognition event in Section 1041 does not apply and the gift tax exemption in 2523 does not apply because Uncle Sam doesn't want you to gift your money to your wife, have her move back to her homeland after you die and then she dies there and Uncle Sam misses out on estate taxes. If your spouse is a non-citizen and you are wealthy, you may want to look into a qualified domestic trust as a means of sharing assets with your spouse.
ExHabibi 9y ago
Quality stuff. Real RP material to help a lot of men
VeniVidiVici83 9y ago
So for protection from divorce rape would a shell company outside of your country's jurisdiction be the safest bet for holding any money/property?
E.g is it possible have it set up so your house/car/anything else valuable and all your savings are in that companies name instead so completely out of reach?
Mckallidon 9y ago
Depends on state but I would say that's a good direction. The key is that you have to keep anything hidden. Foreign territory only makes it harder to find, not necxessarily take, especially if it shouldn't be there. As soon as they know about it existing any lawyer will find some way of bilking you out of it.
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NotNormal2 9y ago
Life insurance can help you from divorce rape.
Mckallidon 9y ago
Only makes her want you dead faster, makes it easy to take all your shit.