Summary: Thanks to the unchecked weight gain in the USA, it's becoming even harder to find quality women in America.
The average American woman weighs 166.2 pounds, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. As reddit recently pointed out, that's almost exactly as much as the average American man weighed in the early 1960s.
When you think about how much taller and more muscular a man is than a woman, you'll realize that this is a rather shocking development. (Yes, men and women are getting taller, but it is still surprising.) If you look at average weight in the USA over the years, you'll realize that American women in the 60s, 70s, and even 80s were mostly slender and beautiful.
This oft-referenced video shows what American women were like in the late-60s/early-70s. Not only are they slender, but they also have an innocence to their facial expression that is absent today. The movie Catch Me If You Can also portrays the women of the 60s as slim and innocent.
If you have the opportunity, check out some high school yearbooks from past eras and compare them to yearbooks today. You'll be shocked at the difference, both at the weight gain and at the facial expressions.
As I wrote in a previous submission, "Why are attractive American women are so picky compared to other attractive women around the world?", the obesity epidemic in the USA contributes to an increasingly competitive environment to find quality American women.
Obesity: Over 65% of US women are overweight or obese. This will tend to make the men compete for the less than 35% that have normal figures, and thus the attractive women are that much more selective. (Over 70% of US men are overweight or obese, and they will still be competing to date slim women.) Other countries obviously don't have this sort of obesity problem, so there are more attractive women to go around, and being slender and attractive isn't so rare even as women age.
This explains the entitlement you see in modern American women. You'll see many posters say things like, "That 6 was acting like she was a 9," and this is part of the reason why (see my past submission for other reasons). Think about the times you've seen a high SMV physically fit American man walking hand-in-hand with a low-SMV overweight American woman. Due to the increasingly competitive environment, even overweight women are being pursued.
This is one reason why it is important to travel as a single man. You'll find that there are entire countries where the women are slim and beautiful. You'll see that the attitudes change quite a bit too, e.g. many of the advertisements and other media revolve around a woman trying to attract a man rather than vice-versa. Most importantly, you'll realize how completely skewed the social environment is in the USA.
Lessons learned:
- When most of the women are slender, the women have to compete more and the men have an easier time finding a lovely slender woman.
- When most of the women are overweight, competition for attractive women skyrockets due to supply and demand.
- American women are thus becoming very entitled with respect to their SMV. Even overweight women are pursued in this environment.
- If you want to find a quality American women, you'll have to up your game a few notches higher than the men of the previous generation.
- Men are getting heavier too - but being slender is not as important for a man as it is for a woman.
- Men in the US who are not in the top tier might want to consider either becoming top-tier or going overseas to meet women, as there are still many countries where the majority of women are slender.
- Men from overseas are probably better off not going to the USA to meet women.
Helmut_Newton 10y ago
As you mentioned, you can definitely see this trend in media. Watch movies/TV from the 60's/70's and most young women are slim, sexy and smiling.
Of course, the media does still show slim, happy women. But they are less and less reflective of reality nowadays.
LargeDan 10y ago
It's really hard to believe the average woman is 160 pounds. At first I thought that couldn't be right, most of the girls I know are pretty small and fit. Then I remembered my last trip to my local Walmart and it clicked.
JesusWillCum 10y ago
to be honest, some fat chicks are pretty hot, not like balrog level fat, jsut old school curvy fat.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
I think "buxom" might be the term. If a chick can keep the 0.7 WHR as she packs on the pounds and a set of tits that defies her being categorized as "pear shaped" then I am totally on board for that.
Several years ago I hooked up with a girl who was fat. She was sporting G-cups; when she rode me cowgirl I commented that it was like "watching the Macy's Parade". Tits have never been my thing but she was into some serious BDSM and liked to toss my salad so she was a lot of fun to have around.
Fat chicks tend to give great head because they are such lousy fucks.
With a fat chick, you have missionary or doggie and that is about it. Fucking a hundred pound spinner opens up a whole new world.
JesusWillCum 10y ago
yeah same, im not really into large tits, just the pear shape of a woman's ass really turns me on like no tomorrow. tits are fun if they are around a b cup tho, feels like you are fucking a girl.
BlaiseDB 10y ago
Unlike places like Viet Nam where nutrition has vastly improved over the last 50 years leading to an increase in average height, Americans are largely stuck with women at 5'4" and men at 5'10". Being 5'4" and 166 pounds is hideous. That is why on the SMV scale the average woman in America is not a 5, she is a 4 or a 3.
While 2/3 of American women are overweight it increases to 3/4 for black chicks which is part of the reason they lose a point of SMV overall. On the other hand, Chinese women (and I suspect Asian women generally, but I will just speak from personal experience and credible sources) have an average BMI 4 or 6 points lower than American women which gives them +1SMV in most situations.
Factor in attitude and culture and the Chinese get another +1 over Americans.
It gets a bit iffy in the stratosphere so if you are banging American 8's then you won't be getting 9's or your 10 over here (especially if you don't learn the lingo) but for an AFC who feels lucky to get a handjob from a 4 this place is swimming with 6's and 7's.
VayneWolf 10y ago
Really now, a woman doesn't have to reay do shit in comparison to a man to have a "good" body.
Women just have to not eat so dam much and maybe go for a run a couple times a week at most.
Men have to lift, count calories, and do cardio regularly for that 6 pack.
VayneWolf 10y ago
I remember at a party once where this very unattractive fat chick was trying to hit on me, while eating a pepperoni pizza at the same time.
It was fucking gross
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VayneWolf 10y ago
It was really a scarring experience
darkrood 10y ago
That has to be made up.....like, does the pizza look good though :|?
VayneWolf 10y ago
Dude she was chewing it as she was talking to me, she was a chain smoker and the red from the pepperonis and the sauce mixed with her yellow ass teeth and bad breath still haunt me to this day.
I swear to god at that moment I remembered thinking that I wouldn't ever be able to forget that disgusting sight.
darkrood 10y ago
You know what gave that woman that level of confidence?
Swarms of guys who would actually tap that.
Even after your running and screaming, she would just be hit on by other guys and thought to herself "I ma sexy N I no it"
VayneWolf 10y ago
I'm not sure that was the case in this scenario, she was honestly grotesque to look at even without choking down what looked like a bloody mess while trying to holler at me.
Pretty sure it was Mr Jack Daniels who helped her
Booksarefun666 10y ago
Fat acceptance and men hamstering about curves and how fat women are more beautiful is definitely a problem. I mean if you're genuinely a chubby chaser then more power to you but I do wonder how many of them are "into" it because of fear of being shamed.
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And people think men select women for looks LOL. Morbidly obese women, retarded women, psychos, crippled women and "women" who don't even have a pussy have men falling in love with them all the time.
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I used to have a book that had a cover that showed a grade school photo from the eighties next to one in the 2000s. The eighties class was well dressed and no one was obese. The 2000s class was disheveled and had dirty, stained clothes. Several children were morbidly obese and there was only one child I remember looking "normal". The rest were various levels of fat. The teacher in the eighties was some prim and proper woman with her hair permed for picture day. The teacher in the 2000s wore tie dye, had an acoustic guitar and had a stupid grin on his face.
The book was meant to show how diversity had changed in the classroom since the first photo was all white and the second had all races (and a couple of girls in burkas) but all I could see how fat and lazy the second photo had become.
Black-Pill 10y ago
I have always felt that one of the key Strategies of The Feminist Imperative is to Lower the Bar across the Board in all aspects of the socio/sexual dynamic; Physical appearance, intellect/education and work ethic have all steadily been eroded in the last 5 decades in order to support the Fallacy of Equality agenda that Feminists and their SJW, white knight, BP allies are pushing in order to secure Unabridged Entitlement for themselves
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
Limit access to sex (raises the price) for men and expand it for women. That's (one of) the goal(s) in my view.
deville05 10y ago
Yes lower the bar for women and raise the bar for men
ohsweetword 10y ago
Yeah but it breaks down when you go just slightly up the ladder. Attractive /rich people have nothing to do with this nonsense.
Or just look at hypocrites like Emma Watson. Feminist demigoddess, dates lift bro jock with epic abs.
NidStyles 10y ago
Emma Watson might be attractive in feminist circles, but she is not attractive in reality. She is a 6 at best.
whatsazipper 10y ago
Indeed, 6 at best. Not good looking at all, but at least not fat.
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Poor Americans need to lower their standards. "not fat" is enough to eliminate 80% of the population from your list. Add "not on crack, smack, coke, meth or heroine" and you're up to 92%.
ohsweetword 10y ago
I don't think she's beautiful, but fuckable and she is rich and has clout. My point is, if you're beautiful and rich you don't buy into feminism on any level. The strong survive.
NidStyles 10y ago
Not even fuckable on my list. I see hotter bitches working fast food here where I live. You better believe that she would either shit test the hell out of you or drop your ass before she lets you see a dime of that money. Would rather have the KFC window bitch doing rails of my dick than listen to 5 seconds of that entitled cunt's whinging
skoobled 10y ago
It'll never work in the long run - this is exactly the hawk and the dove dichotomy from the selfish gene
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
You mean the monetary thing ? How does that work in the SMV context I'm confused ?
skoobled 10y ago
Sorry for not elaborating: the thesis is that in any environment you can't 100% select for "desired" qualities, the only working model is balance between oposing traits. The hawk is strong and aggressive, the dove is peaceful and passive. Too many hawks and there's too much violence. Too many doves and there's too much opportunity for the hawk minority to exploit
In the case of fatties, the more fatties you have the greater power of the sexy minority. Hence the balance tips back the other way
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RPAlternate42 10y ago
That analogy breaks down when the doves become aggressive the Hawks act like doves.
The fatties see themselves as "average" or "curvy" instead of fat and gross and WK and SJW brigades support it with things like HAES and FA.
skoobled 10y ago
The underlying oposing characteristics remain, though. The universe is all about oposing forces. You'll never have true homogeneity in nature
vengefully_yours 10y ago
That doesn't happen, instead you're seeing the effect of shooting the hawks. The government / state punishing the hawks to effectively raise the population of doves artificially. The government wants pigeons, and the sjw crowd only has sway because government sides with them.
Black-Pill 10y ago
Yes, I agree... the Pigeon Principle is a good way to put it
KermitTheeFrog777 10y ago
Great heuristic: filter for countries where the ads depict women trying to snag a man.
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redpillbanana 10y ago
You can probably start by filtering for countries that have more young women (18-35) than men.
For example: due to alcoholism and violence, Russia has many more women than men.
http://www.rand.org/pubs/issue_papers/IP162/index2.html
War-torn countries also tend to kill off many young men, leaving many women without marriage prospects.
NOTE: I feel very badly that these sorts of conditions exist and I wish they didn’t. At the same time, by considering a woman from one of these countries, you’re helping balance out the gender ratio.
bsutansalt 10y ago
Excellent use of the new formatting rules. Thank you!
redpillbanana 10y ago
And thank you for putting those rules in place. Most of my submissions were close to following that format anyway.
schizoBrother 10y ago
It's called innocence and it's protected through morals and values which are on the decline, gluttony included.
The biggest problem here is the abuse of technology championing the easiest, most comfortable path, which means no self-discipline, no restraint, no higher understanding of what these values are and how they define our everyday lives.
denart4 10y ago
Ignore and dismiss any fatty/curvy/not slender woman, don't reward them for it. (unless you are fat, poor, lazy, ... yourself)
Over time woman will start working for it again. Well, working is a big word. Just having a normal eating pattern and not being on the couch the entire day will do the job.
vox_veritas 10y ago
I don't know, I think "curvy" in the original sense of the word (not a PC term for "fat") is pretty great. Marilyn Monroe was curvy. Sofia Vergara is curvy...
A_Cubicle_Jockey 10y ago
I said this elsewhere about big girls on dating sites, and got trounced on and was told that I'm full of shit.
Just because you're a chubby guy does not mean that a chubby girl is going to want you. She is being pursued just as much as the skinny girls, and she knows it. They know that there are plenty of guys who will go out of their way to sleep with them. There are a lot of fit guys at the gym with their pudgy girlfriends. I was told by a fatty that I need to lower my standards. And she wasn't talking about her.
mty_green_go 10y ago
I don't know why you would be trounced. it is common knowledge here that entitlement of American women is off the charts. Even the fatties. Unfortunately it is like that for the locals in many countries.
In Mexico I see really cut, muscular, nice dressed guys with fatties. Why.. because some of those guys are brown. There is no status in being brown there, so even if they want to have an ugly girlfriend, they still have to be better than all the other brown guys
tindermaster1986 10y ago
HOLY SHIT. I would never have guessed 166.2 pounds. That's sickening, absolutely sickening.
MGTOW_player 10y ago
Sad it is a snowball effect too. Women are herd animals. The more that get fat the easier it is for the others to rationalize getting fat. The circle of fatness grows ever larger. There is no end in sight.
God help us.
MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
You don't need to be slim to pump up a girl's entitlement, and your beta bucks are just as good as anyone else's!
redpillbanana 10y ago
Very good way of putting it.
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LinuxNoob 10y ago
The old joke goes 90% of the women in San Diego are hot. The other 10% go to UCSD.
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What's really sad is that it just isn't that hard. Maybe I'm saying that because I played sports in high school but seriously, 65% is shocking. Instead of a media campaign promoting health and fitness for women they try to tell us that fat is beautiful. Every gym I've ever belonged to has had probably four times as many male members showing up to workout than female. And if a woman is in great physical shape she practically owns the fucking world. A guy in great shape certainly has advantages to his doughy peers but that pales in comparison to the advantages a slender, fit woman has over her whale friends.
reiduh 10y ago
Throughout four years of college, I fostered a non-sexual relationship with an HB7. Didn't fuck her until after graduation (a mistake).
A decade later, she was having a bummer of a week Up North (at work), so I offered to house her here, Down South, for a weekend. After having not seen her but once since way back when...
Picking her up in my car from the airport, I couldn't recognize any of the passengers. Then I heard
herit screeching my name.Shudder. Ballooned. Miss piglet, with too much makeup...
We exchanged hugs, then proceeded to have a most-awk three-day weekend. By the end of day two, it was obvious [to her] I wasn't going to fuck her. Hamster became flustered:
Dumbfounded, I suggested maybe she try to find a better location... better job... better ___... work out more..?
Then I realized she couldn't allow herself to hear it. AWALT.
The last day we went to some museums, then sent her off to home.
Never again.
_the_shape_ 10y ago
When a hot chick scarfs down 5 slices of pizza or a mountain of Lo Mein at 4:30 A.M., minutes before she finally succumbs to a deep slumber after binging drink after drink, the reaction might be something like: "Gross, but at least she's hot..."
When a fat chick does the exact same thing - well, try it; same template: "Gross, but at least she's..."
Xuixien_TheEpic 10y ago
"... finally asleep so I can escape"?
RichardPalma 10y ago
Happy?
Not sure I really get your comment.
RageLife 10y ago
At least she's slow-moving so it'll be an easy getaway?
PeteMullersKeyboard 10y ago
Pure gold. And also correct.
bsutansalt 10y ago
Heh, maybe if you can get your arm out from under her. And that's how we got the phrase "coyote wake-up".
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vox_veritas 10y ago
"... got a pussy." I guess. I've never banged a real fatty so I'm not sure. That's all I can come up with. Although the stereotype is that fat girls can suck a mean dick.
PaulAJK 10y ago
Chicks who do this don't stay hot for long. That weekly calorie surplus is what makes a girl fat in the end.
NidStyles 10y ago
Enjoy the hotness while it lasts.
_DiscoNinja_ 10y ago
Usually right around the time they hit the wall and the free cocaine runs out.
readitreddit0 10y ago
Women working full time and trying to have successful careers is not helping with this problem. My ex boss (who is a CPA working from her basement, working 10 hour days) is 4'11" and must be about 250 lbs but she said just has absolutely no strength after working to hit the gym. Women in the 1960s were mainly in the home and rarely had careers, maybe they were a secretary before marrying their boss, and had more time to take care of themselves. They weren't fit by any means, but they were just not fat asses either. Obesity not only comes from not having enough time to take care of yourself, but also from eating one's feelings. Depression is definitely more common these days, and women often eat to remove some of the pain. I often hear women say "I'm having a bad day. Let's go to Dunkin' Donuts."
You're right about women today not having innocent faces. Our society has tried to turn women into men by making them assertive and masculine. Society tries to turn females into alpha males and males into beta females.
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Suravira 10y ago
You planning on having kids?
all_the_right_moves 10y ago
I can think of few things that sound as fulfilling in life as raising strong, well-adjusted RP children. The world will certainly need them.
Manuel_S 10y ago
Good on you mate.
Extra points when you make them grow with good food, and appreciating it to boot. Well fed, healthy, energetic and well-built children move and play differently.
Monkey_Scrotum_Fever 10y ago
I have 3 brothers. My dad told all of us that if we ever got in a fight with anyone, and he heard that we didn't fight back, he'd kick our asses again when we got home. It was sound advice and our first inadvertent AF lesson, and it ultimately helped shape us all into strong men that don't take shit from anyone. Needless to say, I'm really glad he pushed us into that mindset early, and that "lesson" will be passed down to my sons.
CowabungaDoood 10y ago
This is what my grandfather got told by my great grandfather. One time, my grandfather was like 6/7 running away from two older kids who wanted to beat him up and made it back to the house but his dad was standing in the doorway and said that he'd get a worse beating from him so he better go outside and fight the two kids.
Manuel_S 10y ago
Girls here. Taught them if hit never stand still, either hit back (girls) or get them in trouble (boys).
Wonder how to go further with girls :(
Victim mentality once gained lasts for life. Don't want that.
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[deleted] 10y ago
Well that is the point of life as much as you might kick against it
[deleted] 10y ago
Is there something wrong about a man who calls himself gay lube oil wanting children?
SleepNowMyThrowaway 10y ago
Never thought of it like that until now. I just thought the man was inordinately happy when changing engine oil on his vehicle.
vengefully_yours 10y ago
Its a reference to smuggled gear in Australia.
SleepNowMyThrowaway 10y ago
TIL... Thanks!
More than 150 bottles of banned liquid steroids, disguised as sex lubricant from Thailand, have been seized by Customs officials.
The agency says it is now investigating a sophisticated drug smuggling network.
Customs seized the oil in raids in Victoria, Western Australia, New South Wales, Queensland and South Australia.
The product, marketed as "gay lube oil", actually contained a variety of active ingredients including testosterone and deca durabolin.
an0n4btc 10y ago
I knew there was a reason the name didn't surprise me, thanks for the reminder.
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Visiting America for the summer. Saw my first obese american woman yesterday. She was sitting in front of her house smoking and drinking beer. She was soooo fat that I took a picture.
"WHATUFUCKAREYOUDOING?????"
I then explained I wanted to take picture to show my family. Obese people are kind of a fairy taile here in Europe. I told her "I never saw someone that fat! I want to show it to my family when I come back!". She replied something I didn't understand (was speaking too fast) but I thought she was threatening me so I said "or else what? You will run after me?" while laughing. Your women are fascinating. America is like a zoo. She threw her beer bottle at me though.
00Noe 10y ago
ITT: Everyone circlejerking about how fat women are while conveniently leaving out that most men are also disgusting fat asses. Time to get out of that anger phase, fellas.
BleauGumms 10y ago
Find a high smv overseas.
Bring her back to the US.
She divorces you after becoming Americanized.
redpillbanana 10y ago
If you want to turn a sweet slender foreign girl into a feminist landwhale, bringing her to the USA would be a good first step.
Ayy_1mao 10y ago
Marry a chick with a foreign passport, acquire citizenship of her country long before she has a chance to acquire citizenship in the US. She won't dare try to fuck you over and will go out of her way to please while you dangle that carrot. When she finally does try to divorce you... well... you can go live somewhere else.
DonBravera 10y ago
EDDIE!!!!
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forbin1992 10y ago
I know some guy that divorced his wife, moved/retired to Thailand, and married a nice Thai woman. She knows he has no intention of ever going back to the US. She cooks for him every night and he believes she is a much better partner than his first wife ever was.
Living the dream.
BleauGumms 10y ago
I'll probably go to thailand
forbin1992 10y ago
Honestly it shit doesn't pan out the way I want it here I'm going to do exactly what that guy did. He lives in a cheap (relative to american pricing) apartment on the beach. His retirement allows him to live like a king.
darkrood 10y ago
My sis' car broke down during her vegas trip. The truck driver from AAA kept bitching that he thought Chinese women are obedient and good cooks. He married a Chinese girl fob in US, now he is reaping the benefit with a messy house and TV frozen dinners.
A lot of women turn into sweet and caring angels during survival mode for locking down beta, especially women dying to stay abroad. AWALT, they just do it with different spin.
sis's reaction: "He's such a whiner. He just did not know how to pick them."
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You dont bring them here. They acclimate to the climate and become westernized. You have to go there.
laughkisskill 10y ago
To you specifically, op as well, never seen mentioned on trp, but read it or watch, "the taming of the shrew"
Pure brutal efficient honesty in a rp perspective, from the age where writers had to be talented to sell. This is not to speak to what part of the works they come from "a woman" but what the perspectives around them actually mean for playing to ltr.
Just freaking read it.
darkrood 10y ago
Was it about the story that the female character was born a mega bitch, after another crazy and dominant man who threw harder shit tests, turned into a "women is born for the men" docile sheep?
That was a classic
laughkisskill 10y ago
Vice versa as well man. That's what to focus on.
The supposed nice girl became a monster, the supposed monster was taught to follow.
It all came down to how the men were acting.
BramRhodesDouglas 10y ago
I just don't get how a dude would date a fat girl. I'd rather date my hand and porntube than take out a war pig.
Futdashukup 10y ago
Fatties gathered in their masses
Just like piggies in molasses
aptway 10y ago
I've found I can't even fuck slightly overweight girls from behind, one of my favorite positions. Her fucking body is too unwieldy to pull off the position.
Once I discovered that, I avoided them altogether.
RPthrowaway123 10y ago
Whenever I hear War Pig I just see that tank from the Call of Duty mission. Imagining that I went into battle taking cover behind a morbidly obese woman makes the image even funnier.
badreportcard 10y ago
Swamp donkeys for everyone!
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I was on tinder having an above average experience, however a lot of the women I was meeting were big. I was so over it. I was sick of getting dressed up doing the text dance, being clever and all that shit only to meet a girl who "loves to run" yet doesn't own a pair of running shoes.
So I quit chasing them. I saved my cash, I bought a dick sucking robot, I traveled. I put my head down and hit the gym. I deleted tinder (unless traveling) and only met women in person. The quality of women in my life went up because the quality of person I was went up.
Fuck fat women, you cant change them, you cant help them. They are lying to themselves that they are what we want, and they constantly bombard us with "shame" and "guilt" for knowing what we like and going for it.
Long story short, I would rather play with my own dick than have a fat girl play with it. I did just that and my life is way better for it.
Fetish_Goth 10y ago
They worship me like a god.
vengefully_yours 10y ago
I'll fuck a fat chick rather than my hand, but as far as dating? Fuck no. Sure it's like humping a mattress at times, but it's better than nothing. I'll fuck a homely girl too, and sluts, long before prefering my hand. Too busy to go out and find a decent looking girl among the hamplanets, hell the willing girl gets some then I go home. The attractive girls get fucked raw, it's my turn and I'm getting my frequent flyer miles in while she's around.
Overseas, it's different. Fat girls in Europe or Asia don't get a shot, because there is no shortage of thin girls. In the states a warm moist olace to jack off is better than a hand. I'm headed to Europe later this year so I cqn drown in wkinny bitches for a while. Maybe Thailand next year.
Blackierobinsin 10y ago
I mean if she has a cute face I can understand
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deville05 10y ago
It depends. Fat is a broad term. Haha lol. Anything above perfect fitness is fat. So are we talking a little bit of jiggle, some love handles, junk in the trunk, cellulite friction, melting candle ball or Michelin man?
Maikowski2 10y ago
Fat is generally a chubby girl. There are also another type, skinny-fat, these girls typically do not have "love handles" or any visible fat (except of course boobs and ass) but they are not fit, so they may have flat ass etc. Skinny-fat girls are 95 percent of generally skinny women, 5 percent are either anorexic or fit. Of course guys are skinny fat too, even more so.
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
During my BP days I was so desperate for sex with a non pro I pretended to like fat girls. And it didn't work.
SleepNowMyThrowaway 10y ago
Your brain can say whatever it likes, but you cannot bullshit your penis.
PeteMullersKeyboard 10y ago
Can confirm, have tried. Penis is the ultimate lie detection device, just for really specialized situations.
creepyguy13 10y ago
Hilarious man, i did this too. Funny thing is that she invited me over again and I still couldn't do it.
holytrpbatman 10y ago
I tried it with a fox from back in the day, who had turned into a modern day pig. My dick was not having it. She knew it. I didn't even try to deflect the painful truth, she summed it up correctly with "it's because I'm fat now" and I couldn't disagree.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
It's often a strategy recommended for practicing game - start out with an advantage by selecting a target a couple points below one's own league.
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That's a terrible idea. Why would you practice on lessential attractive women? The whole point of game is to attract high SMV women, not fat chicks.
If you practice game on fat women, you'll get really good at picking up fat women. If you're interested in attractive women, that is on whim you should practice.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
I'm just the messenger - as I said, it is often recommended.
I think when you are starting out and you don't even know this works, you have to have a target that won't destroy your fragile self-esteem if she rejects you. If you "win", you don't have to follow through - just watch how using RP principles works, and tally it up mentally.
I think it's valid, but I didn't need to do it - was pulling attractive girls as a beta, just having shit relationships with them.
brain_candy 10y ago
It makes no sense. I just attended a store party at a bowling alley, and one thing shocked me. There is this stoner kid on my team that had been set up with the sister of another co-worker as a sort of date for the party (bad moves all around). The way the guys involved in this setup talked about the sister made her seem like she was an 8 or 9. Needless to say, I was at least curious to see this girl.
She shows up, and was a 4 at best. Totally overweight, boring personality, and had no idea what to wear with the fat she was carrying around. She was apparently being treated well because these braindead, thirsty losers saw tits. That's it. The fatty wore as boob-revealing attire as she could while being even remotely appropriate for the public.
I looked at the rest of the girls there, and there was maybe one attractive girl in the entire lot. Despite this, every girl had at least one orbiter just dying for their attention. There is no shortage of these betas desperate for any clam.
NoFap_Newb 10y ago
Bowling alleys are cesspools of low SMV people. I've seen 8s and 9s but fours and fives are the norm, with plenty of threes.
turn30left 10y ago
The occasional 6 or 7 sprinkled in with a 2, a 1, and the rare 10.
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Diarrhea_Van_Frank 10y ago
It's just a way for them to hamster the fact that they're banging a fatty.
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Diarrhea_Van_Frank 10y ago
It's a cyclical, almost Pavlovian thing. If you beat off to something enough, it starts to actually turn you on.
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they look good from the "myspace angle" if youre into tits, however I feel tits are a young man's game. When I got older I was way more into ass and stomach. I mean shit I dont poo poo nice breasts, but I realize breasts are genetic, when an ass and a toned stomach take dedication.
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of course, IRL they look good sucking dick if they have a cute face, but its a waste of time, because good looking girls look good no matter what position you want to try.
Having a fat girl ride you is the quickest way to lose a hard on.
moose_war 10y ago
Dude, there is a shocking amount of men who go out of their way to impress fat women just for a chance to get their dick wet. I mean a shocking amount. You know when girls try to add in the exception to the rule that any girl can get easy sex? "Well not if you're a fat, ugly girl!"
No. They get just as much attention from men leagues higher than them, physically. Don't even buy that exception because it's a lie.
PeteMullersKeyboard 10y ago
I know this is true, because I've seen it...but I still don't understand it. The mental gymnastics required...no way. Can't even imagine.
teeelo 10y ago
Before I read 'plate theory' and really absorbed RP, I never in my wildest dreams believed that you could fuck a girl on a regular basis without making her your girlfriend.
This is why I often thought you couldn't have one without the other.
Anyways, my point is that most men do not realize they can fuck the low hanging fruit and not commit to them. Thy are so desperate for sex and any physical contact that they 'girlfriend' a <6 just to keep a steady flow of sex.
Spinning plates was a concept only reserved for the hottest of the hot Guys and with slutty non-mom material women.
Oh how I've learned.
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
Here is the thing tough, as a fat girl, they will be frustrated just as much as a fat guy is.
Sure they get sex but most men won't want a relationship that's too visible, no one like to walk around with hamplanet. So the late night fuck, the beer at a pub alone with her sure. But taking her on a week end with friends ? Only desperate men will really do that with hamplanet, and she's fucked quite a few ok guys so spending the week end with a desperate fuck is making her sad.
Source: was being chased by really rich fat girl during my last gig in London and told her I was gay (fund owner's daughter) to avoid having to turn her down, she proceeded to tell me all about her life.
rabblerabble8 10y ago
Which highlights another huge problem, women equating their SMV with guys who would fuck them instead of those who would LTR them. If she realized how men actually think, that the dudes that fuck her when its last call at the bar really have no respect for her, she'd consider getting in shape and raising her SMV.
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bigcitytruth 10y ago
They call those fat women "mopeds" --- a fun ride until a friend sees you on one.
NidStyles 10y ago
That's triggering for mopeds. Until you have ridden cross country on a Vespa, I wouldn't knock scooters or mopeds. Those dudes that do that are typically RP as fuck.
moose_war 10y ago
Here is the thing, she can just date down. She can get easy easy sex with men better looking than her and then find a scrawny beta to settle down with for a while for the feels. I've seen it happen myself.
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RedPillDad 10y ago
Shit. It would have been less painful just to fuck her.
Malachhamavet 10y ago
Makes me recall the family guy episode where the guy kills his brother and crys saying he can't go with meg to a dance because he's attending his brothers funeral that day.
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
No, I was sitting in a million dollar living room with a good glass of wine, then we smoked a J. It wasn't that bad. She's a real nice girl, like most fatties.
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Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
Ah yes, but I have an inner therapist waiting to come out, I fucking love listening to people and giving advice, even I if barely know them, call it a messiah complex or whatever but I have it.
So I usually score big with fat people because I come right out and tell them, I used to be just as fat, and I fucking hated my life, and I know how to lose the weight and I want to help you (like I won't pick fat people of the street to do that, I'm not like insane, but if we're friends at all, I'm on their case). Then we'll go run, swim, jump, whatever. I'm very direct but most people like it in the end.
I went from 108 kilos at 14 to 80kg at 18 (with double the muscle) so I know the drill. My best (male) friend in college lost lost 60kg while we lived together for 2 years, a girl who was 3 years with me in my work group lost 20 kg. I'm like the terminator of fat, I have developed a method to get addicted to running on a treadmill.
When I started at 14 I could run 30 minutes and 3 or 4 kilometers, my heart race went up to 190! I was a total 100% couch potato, I could spend a week on the couch if I was on vacation. Now I have to push the treadmill to the max and run for 1h to sweat. That translates into fucking, with a cialis and good cardio you can basically fuck forever (a full day with a few stops for water and food).
I also stopped smoking from a nasty 1 pack a day habit and very weak willpower over drugs so I have tricks for all those things (message me if you want to stop smoking without any effort involved btw I'll send you to a machine that's about 1k usd and will do that for you).
So that's why I like fatties :)
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I agree with this. I find them to usually have a chip on their shoulder and very sensitive to how receptive you are to them, and if you do not show attraction instantly they become offended by it. Honestly it is very similar to how 'nice guys' act towards women who spurn them by not being into them.
anonlymouse 10y ago
Yeah, I've noticed all the publicly violent women are fat. Skinny girls might be abusive to their boyfriend in private, but fatties will just attack anyone.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
There's a reason they're often more interesting people. They didn't have men laughing at every un-funny utterance, gazing at them with fascination as they utter complete banalities, etc. In other words, they had to develop a personality because their looks alone didn't cut it.
I dated a gorgeous redhead who used to be one of those fatties. Now, she was absolutely svelte, a gym rat and looked it. She has smart, hilarious, liked a lot of "guy" things, and was very appreciative, despite her current looks (an easy 8). But growing up, very heavy.
RP_on_TV 10y ago
Girls who used to be fat and then got thin from their own hard work have some of the best personalities I've had the chance to interact with.
As a fat girl in their youth, they had to adapt to survive. They had to be cool, be in with the boys, develop other things about them to make them attractive. So they end up being really cool and fun.
Then all of a sudden they lose some weight and now that fun personality is inside of a killer body.
I have found these girls are much more appreciative of a real man's attention since it used to be so hard to come by.
Doesn't mean they are all unicorns. AWALT. But still, it's refreshing to meet a girl with an actual personality.
chinawinsworlds 10y ago
What about her stomach? I haven't seen the body of a former fattie before. Well, I have, but not many of them.
mryddlin 10y ago
Skin elasticity comes back so if they avoided major stretch marks most if it will tighten up.
Generally though it depends on how big, surgery to get rid of excess skin is usually required in both men and women who to from obese to fit.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
She'd lost the weight around the time she was 26, and she did not have stretch marks or anything like loose skin. But she wasn't morbidly obese, just maybe 50% overweight.
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ohsweetword 10y ago
Sucks a good D, amirite? haha
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teeelo 10y ago
What an interesting opportunity for insight into their lives though. And to confirm red pill theory at the same time.
PaulAJK 10y ago
This fat chick problem is spreading like wildfire here in the UK. I just cannot beleive how may women in their teens and twenties are overweight. Twenty years ago it was rare, and fat girls paid a social cost for their poor choice. Now they get the thirsty guys.
It sucks because the UK always had among the lowest average girls in Europe, now it's even worse.
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
UK women are either uglier than a hog or hotter than the fucking Sun, I've never seen a country with such a wide gap with nothing in the middle.
anecdotal 10y ago
And people say America doesn't have any exports.
This thread about fat people is triggering me.
PaulAJK 10y ago
I'm offended by your trigger statement. My feels have been hurt.
holytrpbatman 10y ago
I'll give out jazz hands for that statement.
PeteMullersKeyboard 10y ago
I'm a skinny person who identifies as fat, and I feel so victimized by this whole thread that I'm about to go (poorly) write a Tumblr post about it.
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When I was in Ireland it was easy to spot the UK girls: they were the ones with pretty faces and gargantuan butts.
Brave_Horatius 10y ago
We're nothing special ourselves. Latest stats have us gaining on the fat leaders and due to overtake them to take the European title by 2030. There's something fucked in our and the uk psyche. We're high up on every abusive behaviour league table, drink, drugs and now food.
ZeeyardSA 10y ago
Fast food man its them Burgers and fries
PeteMullersKeyboard 10y ago
Ehh. It's more a lack of exercise, I think. In college I ate like shit (no, really like utter shit) and gained literally a few pounds, pretty much broke even because I gained a bit of muscle too. Now, I know I have a high metabolism, but still...food is only part of it. Rarely do you see people who eat poorly but work out stay fat. They may never be in "greek god" shape but they won't stay obese or even what you might call truly "fat"...you need the exercise, all those calories have to be burned. Shit, I've seen my fair share of fat people who eat like rabbits. They don't burn enough calories to get rid of the weight to any meaningful degree.
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jotch 10y ago
Its the fact that McDonalds can sell a burger for $1 and be profitable, compared to a salad for $5.99 that blows my mind.
ZeeyardSA 10y ago
Its all over the world Mate. In south africa its cheaper to eat junk as well
NidStyles 10y ago
Makes you wonder what that burger is made of...
xray777 10y ago
Food is a very expensive material to procure and handle, per ton. Its actually similar to the requirements for caustic chemicals...all materials that touch it must be rated as "food grade". Equipment needs constant specialized cleaning. Everything must be tracked. Workers must meet hygiene and PPE/barrier requirements. It is labor intensive.
Plenty of things are far cheaper per ton....and many of them won't kill people, at least not for a while. Why use food when you can use, um.....other things...
MaxManus 10y ago
Yeah.. I feel you. Last time I visited I was shocked. And then they don't even cover it up. No, every fat role needs to be pressed in a tight miniskirt, so I can defenitly see that you are out of form 2 miles away.
But what about other ethnics living in England? Don't you guys have loads of immigrants from sth. like Poland and so on?
Is it the same with them already?
PaulAJK 10y ago
A lot of the best looking women in the UK are from eastern Europe. They're pretty popular amongst guys for that reason.
What's striking is obesity used to be a mark of the underclass, as recently as 10 years ago. If you saw a fat girl, it was likely she would be from a really poor, chavy background. Now it's spread through every social class.
I live in a wealthy small town in southern England, and the number of podgy chicks is exploding. These are girls from good families, who's mothers have always taken care of themselves. It's a clear generational thing.
PeteMullersKeyboard 10y ago
Even from afar, as someone who watches English TV occasionally, it does seem like there are quite a few overweight women there. A bit depressing. It seems this is a plague that's spreading.
MaxManus 10y ago
Yeah.. I made those observations in Oxford of all places.
And yeah.. East Europe are the hunting grounds. This summer I'll be checking out Masuren.
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Sawagurumi 10y ago
Friendly word: you are giving out a lot of personal information for a contributor to a sub that people like to attack
PaulAJK 10y ago
You're right, I'll delete the above.
Mouthpiece 10y ago
Genetics were so much different in the 1960s compared to today.
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NidStyles 10y ago
Wait, there's a such thing as a gay gym? That would explain some things...
You work in a hostile place. I would be doing the same as you towards those bitches.
TurgidMeatWand 10y ago
Yes, in my city we call those bath houses, a couple ellipticals a row of free weights, maybe a squat rack in the main lobby, saunas, hot tubs, and "massage" rooms everywhere else.
Being more serious, gyms are usually called gay church, because if you liked dick why wouldnt you go watch men work out then hang out in the locker room after?
Xuixien_TheEpic 10y ago
See, this is what's keeping me from coming back to the plantation. I've been celibate for a year now, haven't been on a date or even spoken to a woman who wasn't ringing up my groceries. It's been pretty liberating, honestly, to have such a level of self-ownership.
My friends, however, are starting to pressure me to get back into the game. I guess they figure if I'm single, I must be unhappy. Probably projecting. Well the other day I did try to "get back out there". We went to a local club and my god, the women were just gross. I didn't see a single woman that I would consider above a 5. They were all dressed like sluts (ever see a fat chick in a belly shirt hit the dance floor? it's disgusting) with way too much make-up. In fact, when I'm just out and about, I rarely see a woman who's even a 6 around here. I've thought about learning seduction, but man, I wouldn't even want to practice on these broads.
ElectricGhostD 10y ago
I have the same problem where I live. The only time I see young women in their twenties that are above a 5 consistently is at the gym (even there they are VASTLY outnumbered by the overweight, obese, and elderly women). But daily everywhere else? Can't find them. I'm not going to practice game at the gym with these few women that are 5+, they are probably taken or are cock carousal riding sluts anyway. Plus I am there to work on my gains.
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sardinemanR 10y ago
I think this is how guys become MGTOW.
Most guys start out as beta, some start out as natural alphas. Everyone that finds their way here and wants to improve becomes at least an alpha in training, a lot of people get to where they want to be in terms of being alpha and spin plates and have success with women.
Then at some point some men have had enough and start raising standards. Then it's either be a sigma or go MGTOW. Especially the older someone gets and the more attractive women they've been with, there's less of that desperation to just stick your dick in something.
But I think that comes more in your 30s, most of the readers here are in their 20s so they're going to be in the "sow your oats" phase.
bigcitytruth 10y ago
A high SMV man will still get laid even if he's MGTOW. MGTOW does not mean celibacy.
whatsazipper 10y ago
MGTOW gets equated with celibacy because many incels take on and display the MGTOW title and are rather loud about it. It's a form of male hamstering.
Xuixien_TheEpic 10y ago
Yep! I'm 31 so I fit nicely into your paradigm. Sex drive just started to wane, have been with more women than I thought I would be with during my 20's, only two of which weren't 7+, had LTR's with three 8's.
At this point I've decided effort > reward. Maybe if I was younger and had a higher sex drive, there would be parity, but there isn't anymore. I read TRP to inform my thinking about human nature, gender dynamics, and just overall how to secure a more fulfilling life for myself. A lot of what's discussed on here applies beyond seduction.
kaspell 10y ago
Pretty much the same boat I find myself in with regards to the entire post. In my 30's, been there done a lot of strange, but where I'm at now is a small town and anything worth having gets snapped up by the Navy pilots (we don't have anything here other than fighter jocks really). Effort > reward. Maybe if i were living in a city still it would be different but probably not, I'm pretty comfortable with outcome independance and placing a higher priority on other things. My experience is that like with most things, when pussy rains, it pours. When it's dry, best go do something else.
Squeezymypenisy 10y ago
You know who is really fucked? Hispanics. I walked into a pluckers with my buddy after seeing Jurassic world. We were just there for 5 wings coupons. All around us though are close-to-obese hispanic men, women, and children. It was so disgusting. I am fully expecting healthcare costs to skyrocket. So I am now going to present a business plan to the fast food industry and medical insurance industry to partner together to create more fat people and generate more profits.
rabblerabble8 10y ago
When you throw a culture who's diet is traditionally carb heavy into a culture with a heavily sugar based diet you get skyrocketing obesity and diabetes. Look at how not only hispanics but filipinos in the US are doing, it's really sad.
Elodrian 10y ago
Medical insurance profits off people not having heart attacks.
xray777 10y ago
Not anymore....they used the "crisis" to usher in these new unlimited rate increases, comically high bills, and mandatory insurance requirements. They are rolling in money from the wave of "health problems" and they will continue to move the goalpost of cost to stay ahead of the curve.
Oh, and don't forget all that gubmint money that is helping keep the dollars flowing!
Its a great time to be a twisted, greedy medical insurance executive fuck.
Squeezymypenisy 10y ago
The rates go up bro, you increase the rates and you make more money. Rates for everyone.
ProjectShamrock 10y ago
I know a girl from Mexico who was hot while she was down there, then went to live in the U.S. for a few years and ballooned up to a crazy weight. She went back down to Mexico, and lost the weight and looked good again. The native American ancestry isn't made for a U.S. style poor diet, and as we export more of our shitty food south, we see it having a bigger negative impact on them.
Squeezymypenisy 10y ago
Same with chinese too. McDonalds profits over there are soaring
Chicago1871 10y ago
Except that Mexico has a higher obesity rate than the US.
Although, I think you're right a lot of that has to do with American companies selling the same sort of processed food they sell in the USA to Mexicans. They're the number one consumer of Coca-Cola per capita.
And also, Mexican homestyle cooking is heavy on carbs and fat because it was meant to fuel people working on farms all day and sharing it with huge families so there weren't any seconds. It's kind of like Southern food, basically.
ProjectShamrock 10y ago
I don't recall where I saw this, but I believe the obesity rate in Mexico started to skyrocket right after NAFTA passed. The processed foods that we eat became much more common there, WalMart opened there, more fast food restaurants opened, and jobs changed from being more farm work to becoming more industrial in some areas.
The same could be said of French food even more, but I'd respectfully disagree on how prevalent carbs are in comparison to southern food in the U.S. The staples of a Mexican diet are beans and corn (usually as tortillas) but the quantity of carbs they get in their typical foods were generally lower than in ours. Portion sizes have also grown like they have here. I would argue that their normal food is generally healthier though. For example, if you took something like green beans which are healthy on their own, a southerner is going to cook them with bits of bacon and with butter or oil (or even more delicious, bacon with bacon grease.) A Mexican is probably going to just lightly cook them so they're still crispy, and put some lime juice on it and call it a day. They eat a lot more fresh fruit and vegetables than we do in the U.S., and less fried foods. You wouldn't know it by seeing the plates of diarrhea that we call Mexican food in the U.S. but if you stuck to a standard Mexican diet as opposed to a standard American diet you'd be healthier. The problem I've seen, is as you've pointed out they are the number one consumer of Coca Cola, and they've decided that it shows how affluent they are if they eat American food. For example, in the U.S. McDonalds is considered poor people food, while in Mexico it's a nice "American" restaurant. I've seen Mexican people in Mexico look down on getting a fresh steak with vegetables that were all harvested fresh and local so they can impress people by going to Chili's because it costs more. It's sad.
MGTOW_player 10y ago
Listening to older men, it appears the trend is exploding across this nation. Apparently 25 years ago it was rare to even see a fat chick. Now 20 year olds' mothers are often hotter than their daughters, just because they are in decent shape.
And it is only getting worse.
Xuixien_TheEpic 10y ago
Yep. I've definitely noticed it more as I got older. When I'm out running I often see kids getting off the school bus. I would say 80% of them have a distended gut. When I was in school there were maybe a couple of fat kids (myself included, until the end of highschool).
I used to get real down on myself not having a high paying career, not being taller, being a bit socially awkward. It used to really get me down, because I thought "I'm going to be alone forever, women aren't attracted to me!" - but now? Now I see it as almost a blessing. I've had plenty of casual sex in my 20's, had my LTRs, saw what that was all about and now I'm done. Just don't care. Thought about trying to care - looked at the women around me. Even if she's attractive, she's still a picky-choosy bitch. Not interested.
I'm finally "waking up", so to speak. Gonna get a part time job and go back to school for something I actually want to do. Won't pay big dollars by any means, but it'll be interesting and enjoyable for me. Been getting in shape (40lbs down) because I wanted to, for me.
Self ownership really is the best thing ever.
PaulAJK 10y ago
This is so true, and it's unique in world history.
Tres_1001 10y ago
Hell, 15 years ago it was still pretty rare to see fat chicks. There certainly were some, but the numbers have exploded since then. A college campus now is far heavier than it was in 2000.
MGTOW_player 10y ago
It is sad beyond words. Almost feels claustrophobic.
In 20 years will there even be hot women anymore?
FLFTW16 10y ago
There are hot women right now, you just have to venture further afield. Try SE Asia. Others have said Eastern Europe. Russia. There are many places with thin, feminine women.
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I'm in Poland atm. They're beautiful here. Even attractive women smile and are friendly. Not used to that in the UK. Most attractive women are rude as fuck.
Xuixien_TheEpic 10y ago
I've been to the Philippines and Thailand, I can definitely vouch for the fitness of the women there. They're also far more pleasant to interact with as well.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
The absolutely hottest woman I've fucked - a serious 9+, and easily so, was 49. Her body was fabulous, and I'd dated a 23 year old not that long before, and regularly date in the late 20's/early 30's (I'm much older than that). Her body blew away every other I'd seen. It was porn-goddess quality, but entirely natural.
Almost nobody would believe it, but an 18 year old would be very pleased with this body. Perfectly smooth skin, etc. Yeah, a total anomaly, but women have a lot of options for fitness, if they take them.
jotch 10y ago
My last 2 were 8 and 10 years years older than me, and I did almost nothing to try. So much better than anything my age with 1+ kids and baby dads who still orbit or are in jail.
MGTOW_player 10y ago
Yep, was a bull in a cuckold relationship. Guy had a beautiful girl in her late 30s who would blow away most 19 year old women in good shape. It's rare but possible.
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NicCageForPresident 10y ago
There's no such thing as a 49 year old 9+
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
Doesn't matter one bit that you don't believe it. But it's a female trait (solipsism) to think YOUR experience defines everybody else's. You have no idea, and that sorta makes me happy.
NicCageForPresident 10y ago
The thing is though, you know I'm right
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
If so, then it's because you finally agreed with my statement. But then again, this shows the lack of contact with reality of your previous messages. Now that I know I'm talking with a deluded person, I can just let this be the last message I'm contributing. I will not be reading your responses, as there's enough fantasy in the world. Enjoy being whatever it is you think you are.
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Celibate for a YEAR? Bro, you are on some next level delusion. Are you above talking to women that aren't perfect 10s? If a perfect 10 were your gf, do you even know how to handle a relationship with her?
Entitled beta.
sidjo86 10y ago
You're last two words are the TL;DR of his posts.
bigcitytruth 10y ago
I kinda agree with you. I don't see how a man could go on for a whole year without anything, unless his SMV is mediocre. A high SMV man who is MGTOW will naturally come across women by just by being out in the world with his buddies. A one night stand or two is inevitable over the course of 52 weeks. MGTOW doesn't mean celibate, it means dedicating zero time towards the acquisition of women. He's not a monk. If a man is MGTOW and he comes across a hot 8/9+ woman who wants him to fuck her, and it's totally convenient for him, I'm having a hard time believing he'd say no.
Xuixien_TheEpic 10y ago
Actually I do practice Buddhism and that was one of the reasons I decided to become celibate.
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As a man, if you are not getting poon on some level, that is a PROBLEM. Anyone who is denying themselves poon is using it as an excuse to bolden their argument of 'i don't get laid because I choose not to.' My dude, you have to realize that if you aren't getting laid on some level, whether it be with land whales or angels, especially in your youth, you are not valuable and society thinks that and it probably means you don't think so either.
99639 10y ago
You are letting women be the judges of your value. That's weak shit. You need to value and develop yourself as a man independent of what these sluts think. Also I don't give a fuck about being "useful to society", I'm not here to save the world.
Xuixien_TheEpic 10y ago
I'm celibate by choice, not lack of opportunity.
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Dont sweat it bro. Some men are so obsessed with pussy they cant fathom another man voluntarily turning it down or not caring in the first place. For some reason they usually get mad too, maybe they are upset that they cant stop caring.
Xuixien_TheEpic 10y ago
Without being to psychoanalytical I think it's because men these days are growing up without a sense of masculinity and without any male figures. So I think there's a number of men on TRP who invest their masculinity into PUA. When they see a guy who's not PUA and doesn't care about "pulling bitches" it upsets their paradigm. I could be totally wrong - maybe they're investing their masculinity in "acting tough" instead.
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No i think you are atleast partially right. I came to the same conclusion. A lot of men dont have an example of real manhood, so the only value they think they have as men is what women have convinced them off. That is how many women you can pull and how good you are at it. And just like most women (especially in the west) dont really know what true toughness is most of the time, neither do a lot of modern feminized men, even the ones who are successful PUAs. So their tougness is a facade and they derive their value from pulling women. Based on this they truly believe that any man who doesnt act superficially tough and/or doesnt pull women is a bitch.
jx234 10y ago
Sounds to me like male hamstering. You fear rejection so you rationalize that all women are fat and that you're not missing anything. As hard as you try to convince yourself that, you know deep down it's not true. Come on,grab your balls.
Xuixien_TheEpic 10y ago
Something tells me you're not actually a psychoanalyst, you just play one on the Internet.
jx234 10y ago
Hey, I'm just going on what I read. If you're genuinely content being celibate, good for you. I just happened to doubt it.
Xuixien_TheEpic 10y ago
It might be hard to fathom, especially for a young man in his 20's, but one day sex and women lose a lot of their appeal. Yes, it will happen, even to you.
At that point it turns into a "nice to have", but not a need. Like being rich. Would it be nice to be rich? Sure! But it's not something I think about a lot.
NidStyles 10y ago
Most of the time not going for it is me wondering if I want to deal with her bullshit for the rest of the evening, or would I actually like to get a full night of sleep with her annoying ass waking me up everytime she moves in the bed. If I can manage it to where I can leave in the middle of the night to sleep in my own bed I go for it. If she is pushing to go to my place I don't pursue any further.
Xuixien_TheEpic 10y ago
I always went to their place. This allows me to just leave if she's putting up to much resistance to sex or annoys me. Whereas if she's at my place I have to ask her to leave, and then she has the option to start a fucking annoying argument and possibly even break my stuff. Also, now she knows where you live.
And I would always leave while she was asleep, and just leave a note "had to head to work, had fun!".
I know more guys in my age group with my attitude than I know guys in their 20's with my attitude. And there's where "all the men have gone". Women who don't get married in their early 20's screw their 30-something selves. By his 30's the man's already married, or has been divorced and doesn't want to remarry. Men who were bad with women in their 20's become bitter PUAs in their 30's or just give up entirely, and men like me who I feel are in the majority, had casual sex, had LTRs, been engaged - they also pull out of the race. All this leaves a pretty... barren set of prospects for the 32 year old career woman looking to snag a husband.
NidStyles 10y ago
I simple won't pursue. I have been married, I left her, because I saw firsthand the direction she wanted that to go. She had every intention of divorce raping me.
Nope, I quit my job and liquidated all of my assets and hid everything. Then one day while she was at work, I boarded a plane and left. Never said another word to her. I had left the country we were living in, and all of the follow up communications were done through lawyers. Never again, and I haven't looked back once. No regrets on my part. I knew the day she asked to set up a joint account while we had zero financial issues beforehand that something was up. 3 years in, and all of the sudden she wasn't happy with her financials. She was making above median, but a check with bank said her accounts were essentially empty. Fucking red flags everywhere that week. I hadn't turned beta, so I did more digging. Bitch was a deep DT. The sex was great at least, and she never once turned it down.
So now, no bitches in my bed. They don't have the right to know where I live simply because they gave up dat ass. Too damn dangerous. Half the time I don't give them my whole name either. Just the middle name.
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vengefully_yours 10y ago
That video of dancing girls in the 70s shows unrealistic expectations for women, only 0.0000005% of the world population has the genetics to look like that! It must be starving supermodels only, because real women have triple chins and their skin blouses over their elbows.
dnkfkr 10y ago
Lol Ihad to bulk to get to 166
TheRealMouseRat 10y ago
there's a reason we have a saying here in Norway: "people are fat as fuck in the US"
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Go to the southern U.S. And I would say 60% plus are overweight if not significantly so
_eskimo_brothers_ 10y ago
And us unplugged Americans really can't wait to visit yours and other beautiful northern territories.
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_eskimo_brothers_ 10y ago
Gaming women there I'm sure is a challenge, but I'm going for other reasons. My focus isn't that, and honestly follow the advice given a hundred times in trp, women are just a by-product of an interesting life.
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TomSachs 10y ago
What are you talking about? Crazy how you can make such a ridiculous generalization
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Triple_DP 10y ago
Everything is super spread out, so you might need to go 10-20 miles to go to work, shop, eat out, etc.
cakemuncher 10y ago
Depends on where you are in the US. Some cities are built up vertically because of limited space like San Francisco so everyone either cycles or walks around because buildings are very close to each other, I imagine this is like most of the cities in the world. Other cities are built horizontally like Houston because of the vast space. I live in Houston, forget going to the corner store without using a car, its about 20 mins away walking. Less than 3 mins driving. So we do everything driving. All my friends live at least 20 mins away from me if I was driving on the freeway of 60mph.
dainethemain 10y ago
as an Austinite, I pretty much bike/walk everywhere. It's glorious, as the traffic here sucks balls.
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Same situation in Los Angeles.
Kellermann 10y ago
http://i.imgur.com/q9WQBQX.jpg
badreportcard 10y ago
I'm 30 years old 5'7" and 150 lbs, it's damn near impossible to find someone smaller, most girls my age are not in good shape and I live near NYC, it's terrible
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I live in the same area and my height-weight is in the neighborhood. I see the same thing. When a girl is actually skinny, you have a TON of competition. I can understand a man getting frustrated with that. To have to be THE man out of >1000 just to get with one chick? I would probably stop giving a fuck too.
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bigcitytruth 10y ago
Exactly. 70% of the guys on here are fat themselves. Or at least "skinnyfat." They need to stop being in denial.
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skinnyfat is the worst of both worlds
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Skinnyfat is better than a Buddha belly that prevents you from seeing your own tip.
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Fat is the new normal and it's sad. There are a lot of fatasses out there who claim they're in shape while looking like the fucking Michelin Man, the bloated version. These turds need to put the cheeseburgers down.
holytrpbatman 10y ago
Most of the pigs enjoy being fat, lazy uggoes.
SQQQ 10y ago
seriously guys... how the fuck do u do it with 160lb of landwhale? i couldn't get an erection if she throws herself at me.
xray777 10y ago
160 isn't a landwhale. She's getting there, but there's a middle ground between "slim" and "hamplanet" that can go either way depending on how tall she is and whether the curves have turned mushy yet.
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160lb isnt that bad even, wait until you see some of the girls in the 200's.
One thing no one is mentioning is that the way a girl smells or tastes down stairs is largely based on diet, so all these ham beasts have POOR hygiene and horrendous smelling lady parts.
RPthrowaway123 10y ago
Good god that's ridiculous. Men in the 60s were heavier than men today too, because the jobs were more active (factory, etc) than today's office mouse work which really says something about just how fat the average woman has gotten.
Xyereo 10y ago
To be fair the median age has gone up about 10 years in that time too. No doubt people are bigger though.
Entele 10y ago
How has the average weight of a male changed in comparison to the 1960's figure?
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The food in the USA is laced with corn oil and other additives (GMO) to make Americans fat.
Take chicken from Europe and compare it to the USA, the same chicken breast is probably 20% more calorie dense than it's European counterpart.
Therefore the trick is to eat smaller portions in the USA and count calories to lose fat.
Temuzjin 10y ago
It's a lot of things:
As you mention, the USA overuses corn and sugar.
The USA both glorifies cars and builds cities in a way that you need cars. In some European countries, you can get away with not owning a car because of walking, biking and occasional public transportation. I have a driver's license but don't own or need a car. I do own a bike and use it almost daily.
HAES and fat acceptance are more prevelant in the USA. There's also a bit of that in Europe, but back when I was obese, my friends and family shamed me into losing weight. It worked, I'm no longer obese and I'm very thankful for that.
We have playtime and PE at school. I've been told that US schools have been cutting back on that.
That being said, Europe's getting fatter too.
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Are you saying too much calorie deficit reduces metabolism so eventually you will get fatter if you start eating more?
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[deleted] 10y ago
Thanks for the great info. Makes a lot sense to eat only 2-3 times a day max.
I eat 2 meals a day with slightly more carbs at night. So far so good...
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Must be a HUGE meal. I could never do that. Working out in the morning while fasting is the best since your body is burning fat until you eat your first meal. The extra carb at night is to make you fall asleep with serotonin release (carbs). Limit carbs during the day because it will slow down the fat burning cells as it will use the carb instead for energy.
the_red_scimitar 10y ago
I tried to find the corollary - change in height of women, and finding that stat seems very difficult. Weight stats are easy, but weight should be correlated against height.
Are there credible stats anybody knows of that shows average height of adult women in the US, over time?
ChildOfTheLostTribes 10y ago
This is a problem in my community.
ANUS_CONE 10y ago
Wait, I thought this was a good thing? Body+, fat acceptance, etc. etc.
sardinemanR 10y ago
You have to drill it down by location, age and ethnicity.
Black women are pretty much all obese in every state and at every age.
But if you're looking for 18-25 year old white women especially in major cities like NYC or LA, the numbers are a lot better.
SophisticatedIce 10y ago
I wonder how much of this is muscle, with more women participating in athletics and weight lifting? No doubt they've gotten fatter, but I'm just wondering.
redpillbanana 10y ago
They’ve certainly gotten taller, that’s probably part of it.
My scientific wild-ass guess is that 5% of the increase is muscle, 10% is height, and 85% is fat.
Complecs 10y ago
A very insignificant amount? There definitely are not that many women who are putting on 35 pounds of muscle, nor men for that matter.
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DrXaos 10y ago
Do you think people pay attention and really follow government dietary guidelines, and that's the reason?
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DrXaos 10y ago
The vilification of saturated fat was motivated by some epidemiological research on coronary heart disease, which hasn't been entirely overturned.
But people ate more of everything: carbs, oils, fats, and even vegetables.
| E.g. for sugar, even though it was in the top tiny triangle, it got a free pass because it was a fat-free food.
That isn't a "free pass" if it's in the official "eat minimal amounts of this" food. The food pyramid sure didn't put "eat more calories, especially sugars" anywhere on its guidelines.
Professional guidelines were not entirely up to modern research I think---I'm not an expert here, but I believe Mediterranean diet which is a bit of a modification is now preferred, but it isn't enormously far.
| It didn't help that the food supply also went south with trans fats and processed starches etc. to make companies have a higher profit margin. But the guidelines didn't help either.
Blaming external factors which I think are secondary or tertiary doesn't help either.
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
"Men in the US who are not in the top tier might want to consider either becoming top-tier or going overseas to meet women, as there are still many countries where the majority of women are slender."
If you got the money go for option n°2. Overseas, Eastern europe (like 5 countries, but pay attention to Moldova) + Thailand + Philipines + Cambodia + Laos + Vietnam.... Girls there are not corn fed ;)
Those are the hotspots I know. Don't know about south America.
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Costa Rica is a fantastic spot for ex pats as well!
satchmole 10y ago
r/ hapas though. You're better off improving yourself to the highest degree than risking birthing sons with a complex that's basically impossible for them to overcome.
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
Holly shit is there a sub for every bullshit reason you can think of ? Not but seriously, my job is to conceive them and support them, the rest is their problem. I don't think having a Vietnamese mom will be a complex impossible to overcome where I'm from (center of Europe). Only one thing matters here, money. You could be a recently discovered tribe of blue flesh eating smurfs if you had money we'd sell you a Rolex.
PaulAJK 10y ago
That sub is just a few self-obsessed whiny losers.
vengefully_yours 10y ago
I'm considering a trip to Moldova, along with Serbia. Last time I was in Belgrade it was communist and still called Yugoslavia. It has to be better now.
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
Please go... don't hesitate. The HB 10 in moldova is supermodel hot and there's dozens honestly and they aren't all that hard to fuck (but it's not thailand, you got to work for it).
I've fucked one particular girl in Chisinau that was indescribably hot, as in I would choose her over any current victoria's secret model (not fucking with you). It's funny because I didn't think it would affect me but the oneitis with a girl like that is like a strain of ebola.
vengefully_yours 10y ago
Can't yet, still building my home. As soon as I can, I am headed over there.
aDrunkenWhaler 10y ago
Don't expect too much from Serbia. Many hotties, but many fatties as well. They generally eat a lot of shit food. They're also quite tall, which ads to the total weight. Moldova on the other hand, sweet Jesus.
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
This, avoid serbia, bad food, bad service, uglier chicks in the area.
MaxManus 10y ago
Belgrad is the best Party City in all over Europe.
Have Fun!
vengefully_yours 10y ago
I liked Frankfurt, but that was 25 years ago.
RedPillProphet 10y ago
Many of the south asian countries give a huge SMV bonus to white men making them a viable choice. How about an Asian or an Indian guy? What parts of the world would be more suitable for them?
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
I would say the same, just dress european/american and speak english and have cash. There are enough indian and asian americans that you'll get the status bump if you can fake it. It's not really about white skin immo, it's about our modernity and science and economic power. That you can appropriate. I mean white skin is ugly as fuck and it burns and have you seen what acne looks like on this white canvas ? Believe me I know.
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grut4 10y ago
If you have cash, than it's irrelevant are you black, green, yellow, you'll do just fine in every part of this planet.
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thederpist666 10y ago
I've always thought this, but it's nice to hear it in writing. Also I've noticed being in my 20's, most women have the out of shape to fat physique that people usually got after having multiple kids and when they were entering their 40's to 50's. Your metabolism slows down when you're older, but if people are already fat now and do nothing about it, they are going to only balloon up even more in their 30's and 40's.
Jswiizle 10y ago
Okay fair point... but what is the comparison of 1960's men to modern men? If it is a similar ratio of weight gain, then this isn't fair
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Hardcore_MB 10y ago
When I've travelled to other countries, like the Dominican Republic for instance, women who are fat are routinely called out on it. Here in the US that's not socially acceptable.
redpillbanana 10y ago
In Asia, it is similar - fat shaming is a national sport. Consequently, there are not many fat women.
FirstnameLastnamePKA 10y ago
Let me borrow from napoleon dynamite. "All women are whores! Expect for my mom...But yet again, she is a woman."
Grasshopper21 10y ago
I'm sitting at the opposite end of the spectrum . My girl weighs 86lbs.
kaspell 10y ago
Is she 13? My one LTR (4 years) ended up having the anorexia and balemia. Learned more about it that I ever cared to, and now I see it everywhere. Most of the skinny-fat are just girls who think skinny and flappy arms is hot.... cause skinny right ==> annorexia == good/ok.
Free advice from someone who tried to help save a ho, read up on it, know the signs, and nope the fuck out as fast as you can if she is symptomatic of either condition.
reiduh 10y ago
She can't even help herself... how could you?! Call her parents and RUN.
kaspell 10y ago
I tried to help by getting her into a treatment center with people who could theoretically have a chance at 'helping'. It wasn't a pleasant episode of life.
reiduh 10y ago
I hope regardless of your outcome together, she got that help. Thanks for trying =\
kaspell 10y ago
She got that help a couple times. I think at the end of 4 years she had been through 3 (treatments places). We're still in touch and she's got a kid now. Series of poor choices have made life hard for her. Not a bad person, just life.
whatgold 10y ago
What white countries are there overseas without fatties dominating?
Sounds like not only does one have to go overseas, but learn an eastern European language as well.
audscias 10y ago
Spain. We do have the occasional land-whale around, but not so much obesity as the US for sure.
ChiefReap 10y ago
I don't even weigh that much D:
bourbonhipster 10y ago
its kinda pathetic to learn that stat considering a guy with some pretty solid numbers well over his own body weight (perhaps well over twice his body weight) at ~6' and still have a bit of body fat on him can weigh just a few lbs less than that 'average'. how sad
_eskimo_brothers_ 10y ago
Hahaha right? As I double my mass gainer in-between-meals shake.
redpillbanana 10y ago
For reference, here’s a 166lb male deadlifting over 500lbs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ3LjmfHZ7E
vengefully_yours 10y ago
I haven't been 165 since high school, I had to use the Auschwitz diet to get there for wrestling, and I'm 5'8. Back then I was absolutely ripped at 175, now at 220 I have about the same definition. I fuck up all the BMI stuff, while active duty I was "morbidly obese" by BMI but easily passed the body fat tests. The benefit of a 21" neck and a 52" chest is that a 38" waist looks small.
rectifryer 10y ago
Are you saying you are ripped at 220 with a 38" waist? At 220 and 68" tall I would expect something more around 29" to be under 12% bf.
vengefully_yours 10y ago
My bone structure is such that I havent had a waist under 34" since my sophomore year. My wrists are more than 8" in circumference, my hands are like bear paws. My forearm is bigger than the calves on a girl I'm fucking who lifts and has thick legs, not flexing or pumped from lifting they're just under 14" around. Upper arms are considerably larger, somewhere around 20". My thighs are down to 27" now, so a 29" waist would look strange if I could ever get it that small.
Im 260ish right now and you can see my ribs and some ab definition, above the bit of belly fat I'm working off. My arms and shoulders have good definition as do my legs, but I look massive and ripped at 210, the last time I was that low was 2001 while deployed. After 9/11 we had no work, so it was 4 to 8 hours lifting every day to ward off boredom. I was 32 then. Back in 1991 I was bigger, more ripped, and considerably stronger thanks to the first war. I didn't do this on purpose, my military job made me muscular.
In high school back in 86, I benched 265 and weighed 175, wrestled at 167 and I was absolutely ripped everywhere. Corn fed German farm boy from Nebraska. Nobody believes what I benched in 2003, so I don't tell them anymore. All the bros get worked up about it, it's funny because I didn't try to gain this much mass and strength, I had to to do my job.
I'm not normal by any stretch I look like a hairless light skinned silverback gorilla. Think power lifter more than bodybuilder and you get the idea. No bullshit, it's annoying finding clothes, which is why I wear cargo or carpenter pants and 2x black t shirts. This thick and short I look like a brick. I would gladly give up mass to look more normal, because the wrong clothes make me look disgusting like a neckbeard. No button down shirts for me, because they all need tailored and I have never worn suits to work. Not worth the expense.
NidStyles 10y ago
So you are just the typical dense Germanic person. I know that feel. I am 5'7" Wisconsin dairy raised Saxon. If I cut to 180 I look ripped. At 210 right now I can flex and show abs. My BMI in the army was never under 25. I was squatting over 405 and my dead was over 545. I can't go under 180 without being weak as hell. I never worked on my bench, because two plates was essentially where I started. So I never felt the need to push it higher.
I wrestled at 135, and haven't weighed that little since I left basic. Nothing in my size ever fits me properly. I went to Asia for work and had suits tailored, because nothing that fits my arms fits my height. Nothing that fits my thighs fits my waist. I can't even get my legs into anything that would fit my waist at 32in.
vengefully_yours 10y ago
Last time I wqs 135 I was a Freshman.
IAmACheekyChild 10y ago
The average American has one ovary and one testicle.
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We just moved to the US, my wife is a size 2 dress or size Small in Europe, here she is a size XXS! Few stores carry XXS dont know why, her BMI is in the healthy category..
On the + side, we have been sharing every single meal out(portion size wtf) and we still put on some weight..
If i was single, i would date a fat girl.. If she was willing to put in the work to lose weight. I would stay away from anyone who thinks being obese is OK.
mty_green_go 10y ago
The reason they are fat in the first place is because they like eating junk food and are not willing to put in the work to lose weight.
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I dont know man, you would be surprised how many people dont know about nutrition and are caught on fad diets.
ThreeLF 10y ago
"• Men are getting heavier too - but being slender is not as important for a man as it is for a woman."
I don't know if I'd say that. I mean you wouldn't use the word slender, but hell I'd argue that the physique of a man is more important than the physique of a woman.
redpillbanana 10y ago
There are many more factors to a man’s SMV then there are to a woman’s. Look at Patrice O’Neal - his SMV was huge and he was a fat fuck.
Mouthpiece 10y ago
And now he's dead, and his SMV is zero.
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To be fair that stat is inflated because the population is older than it was in 1960. It's still bad, but I doubt any single age group weighs 25-30 lbs more today than the same age group back then, men or women.edit 1: I couldn't have been more wrong. Another fun fact: In 2010 the average 20-29 year old female weighs 28.6 pounds more than the average 16 year old (also in 2010). It's almost like each ride on the CC causes them to plump up just a little bit more. Like a bicycle pump inflating one of those sumo suits.
edit 2: Just for fun, what these women might look like:
1960 - 5"4', between 120 lbs and 130 lbs
blacwidonsfw 10y ago
Hahaha I just spent 10 min trying to search my body type but it didn't exist. Then I realized it's a woman's clothing thing hahahahha
HAMMURABl 10y ago
Its also broken down by age groups, ppl are significantly fatter
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Holy shit was I wrong. The average female 20-29 years old weighs 34.2 pounds more in 2010 than 1960!!! How the fuck is that possible???? I was assuming the gap would expand the older the age grouping, but with females it contracts to about 25 pounds.
For reference the gap for 20-29 year old males starts at about 20 pounds more in 2010 than in 1960 and expands from there as the age group increases, peaking at about 33 pounds in the 50-59 group.
Red_August 10y ago
The equivalency is that a modern girl now carries the equivalent of a small gym plate in fat in her fupa everywhere she goes.
TheThingsIThink 10y ago
It's because with out PE girls get fat
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
Are you kidding me ? Corn of course. It's in everything you eat and it triggers fat storing hormones and contains more sugar than a coke can.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fructose_corn_syrup
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I was looking at the numbers and 1980 a before with all age groups there were only slight increases, maybe barely outside the margin of error. Post 1980 is when everything starts to blow up rapidly. Thats when the first official Dietary Guidelines for Americans were published, which influence school lunches and the low fat craze. At the same time HFCS was becoming popular too, usually the default ingredient to replace the fat that was removed.
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
And people think the government is a better judge of food safety than a farmer.... the madness.
Furious00 10y ago
Just a small point but corn syrup is, for the most part, glucose. Glucose isn't the issue, it's the free fructose they add to it. Additionally, HFCS is only marginally worse for you than table sugar. HFCS is 55/45 fructose/glucose while sugar is 50/50.
You are correct in that fructose consumption is what's responsible for the increasing size of people.
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
yeah I read somewhere it's the most readily storable sugar for the body.
Furious00 10y ago
It's the most readily usable form of energy. Glucose hits your bloodstream and can be absorbed directly by nearly every organ and tissue in your body. Fructose must be metabolized in the liver. Fructose is absolutely necessary, but only in small amounts. Interestingly, it's fructose that promotes the storage of glucose in the liver. It's why gatorade is awesome for athletes after they've depleted the glucose stores in their liver. For your average couch potato...not so much. When you have too much fructose, you get fatty liver and all sorts of other awful effects.
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vandaalen 10y ago
It's carbs in general. I switched to a ketongenic diet 14 months ago and it still astounds me from time to time, how the industry manages to slip in carbs in just anything.
I am German and I suppose that generally speaking our food is of higher quality than that in the US, but it's still hard to find any processed food which hasn't sugar or artificial sweeteners added to it.
Who the fuck does need sugar in mayonaise? Or in frozen vegetables?
Elodrian 10y ago
In the US, they put corn syrup in their bread. They basically make their sandwiches out of two slices of cake.
vandaalen 10y ago
I used to base my diet nearly solely on bread. I just love the smell and taste of a dark rye bread, called "Paderborner" here, with a crunchy crist freshly out of the oven. Preferably the end piece, cut one inch thick, with a thick layer of good butter and some salt sprinkled on it. Nearly the only thing I miss from time to time.
redpillbanana 10y ago
If that sounds disgusting to you then you’ll love the Luther Vandross (Krispy Kreme) burger: http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/burger-breakdown-best-and-worst/18/
dr_warlock 10y ago
Germans are always doing some kind of exercise: cross country skiing, hiking, running, a sport, something. I did not see one fat local during my stay. Not one. All the fat people were Americans. I saw the biggest woman I've ever met in person wearing a U.S. Airforce uniform. I could go on an on about the things America could learn from Europe in general.
NidStyles 10y ago
You mean like Marxism and feminism?
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It's not that simple. There are too many parts of the world whose main diet is really starch heavy with things like rice, potatoes, and yams that don't have weight problems. I think if the government would tell people to avoid as much as possible sugar, flour, and vegetable oil (specifically canola and soybean) the nation would be a lot thinner and healthier.
However if someone is already overweight there is no doubt about it the best way to shed the fat is with the ketogenic diet.
vandaalen 10y ago
There are certainly other diets which are healthy and don't make you become obese. Keto isn't the holy grail.
The real main problem is the combination of carbs and fat. That's like battening yourself.
I belief that I wouldn't need keto at all for the sole purpose of loosing or keeping my weight any more with the amount of time I spend with MMA, but there have just been so many more improvements to my overall health and well-being, like i.e. skin, aching muscles and joints and digestion, after I switched to keto that I drew the conclusion that it's just the best for me personally.
milenmic 10y ago
This. Have a look at a documentary call "Fat vs Sugar". They give a test, try and drink a glass of heavy cream, disgusting. Try and eat a spoonful of sugar, disgusting. But combine the two and your brain wants more and more and more...
whatsazipper 10y ago
What if you dissolved the sugar in water?
vandaalen 10y ago
Well. After being on keto for over a year I have to admit that a glass of 33% cream doesn't seem that disgusting any more. ;)
Ovadox 10y ago
I did something like this and found that I have a hard time getting enough calories without carbs. Most veggies just don't have that many calories. I could really load up on the meat but I'm afraid I'll get constipated.
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Booksarefun666 10y ago
Having the government to stop eating sugar, lol. The sugar lobby is so powerful in the U.S. that they even managed to lobby getting the daily maximum percentage of sugar off nutrition labels.
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20-29 year old women are 26% heavier than in 1960, while 20-29 year old men are only 13% heavier. So maybe a campaign that makes it a feminist issue would work?
Booksarefun666 10y ago
Hypothetically that seems sound but who knows? Maybe the whinge of 1,000 tumblrites might not even fix it.
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The rise in high fructose corn syrup in food coincides with a rise in processed food so its really a cop out this whole idea of HFCS being sneaked into food.
Easy solution - stop eating processed food!
Sir_Shitlord_focker 10y ago
It's not that easy, you can either buy cookies with HFCS or make them from Scratch now a days.... think about that. Do you always have time to make them when the kids come around?
Soda pop, same shit. Can't even make that from scratch, and since there's a good 85 to 90 billion $ in North American corn subsidies the stuff is practically free so all those foods are cheaper (and taste better) than the competition.
At current rate of progression of Obesity, half of the entire population will be Obese in 14 years.
If the US government stopped subsidizing to Agro, Defence and Oil (three industries that have huge and consistent profits) it could save 400 billion a year overnight. You could cut taxes and the deficit at once.
But they pay a lot of politicians to keep these legalized thefts in place.
SleepNowMyThrowaway 10y ago
Fuck your cookies, shelf bought or from scratch. Fuck those empty carbs.
satchmole 10y ago
Home made cookies and store bought cookies will both make you fat. Don't eat any of that shit. Meat, veggies, fruit and cheese/yogurt/milk is all you should be eating. Corn syrup in store bought cookies won't affect you at all if you're eating it in moderation like a healthy person.
mechdemon 10y ago
Bullshit. You can totally make soda from scratch: make a simple syrup flavored with whatever you like and add a tablespoon or two to a glass of seltzer water.
And as for making cookies from scratch, it is totally the superior option that not only tastes better but is likely marginally better for you, since you are using ingredients selected for taste (sugar, butter, eggs) as opposed to shelf life (vegetable shortening, HFCS, emulsifiers).
I like cooking though. I always make time for it because I can usually make better food than anything processed or prepackaged.
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Cookies take like 10 minutes to make. Ez pz
99639 10y ago
Table sugar, even cane sugar, is a dimer so it's 50% glucose 50% fructose. HFCS is 45% glucose 55% fructose. You seriously think that 5% difference matters? People get fat as fuck on processed foods and sodas because it's filled with calories and isn't filling because of low protein content. They eat until they feel full, which turns out to be a massive excess of calories, and then drink another 1500 calories a day in soda without thinking. All while not doing shit. They drive their fat ass to a desk and sit all day then go home and sit on the couch. No walking to the store, no running with friends, no exercise at all.
holytrpbatman 10y ago
Tldr: Americans are fat because they are fucking lazy, and eat enough food for two people at every meal.
Furious00 10y ago
as another fun fact, the HFCS used in baked good is actually better for you than sugar. It's 45/55 fructose/glucose so has less fructose than sugar!
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I don't drink soda pop because its full of sugar. When I was a kid in the 80's my parents wouldn't let me drink it either ...because, its full of sugar. I drink soda water with a squirt of lemon or lime if I want a flavoured drink. Same for cookies, ill just have one or two. None of this stuff is essential, its all junk food HFCS or not. Don't put this shit in your face and you won't get fat. Easy!
Ovadox 10y ago
True story. I cut out 90% of the beer and refined sugar I was consuming and went from 5'11/195 lb to 175 lb.
Also, RIP fatpeoplehate
cakemuncher 10y ago
I agree. My parents raised me on home cooked middle eastern food. I hated it when I was a kid but had to deal with it. Now that I'm older I realized they were right. Everyone tells me I'm slim. My current white girlfriend of two years keeps asking me how I stay thin without working out while she goes running and does ab workouts on daily basis.
I know exactly why. This is her regular everyday food: wake up, eat 2 frozen breakfast tacos, drink Dr. Pepper + Redbull on the way to work. Keep drinking Dr. Pepper at work to get that jolt of energy. Eat whatever fast food she wants during work. Come home, eat triscuits because they're "healthy" with cheese on the side. Lots of cheese. I'm really amazed at how much cheese she eats. She downs about half lb of cheese daily. And that's basically her daily meals.
My girl weighs 125-130. I'm 155-160. She's a little shorter than me.
NidStyles 10y ago
If she is Germanic in heritage, she is fine with the cheese. She shouldn't be drinking soda though. If you can get her off that, the weight would likely melt off of her.
cakemuncher 10y ago
Whaaaat? Really? She is from a German background. How come it's different for them? Really would like to know. References would be helpful as well.
sedatedinsomniac 10y ago
Cheaper, yes. Taste better, no. Just look at the popularity of Mexican CocaCola. That stuff is made with sugar instead of corn syrup and it tastes a lot better.
beginner_ 10y ago
there really isn't any difference between HFCS and sugar. HFCS has 55% Fructose, sugar 50%. In HFCS Fructose and Glucose are already split, in Sugar this happens almost instantly in your mouth due to enzymes.
The bad thing here is the fructose. For health purposes, sugar and HFCS are equally bad. The thing is HFCS is much, much cheaper and hence put into everything.
Furious00 10y ago
cheaper, sweeter, stores and ships better...hence it's everywhere...
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99639 10y ago
That's fine you have your little quirk but calorically they are indistinguishable. Hfcs is a boogie man fatties pin their weight gain on. They can't count calories and eat double what they should each day and then say "oh I'd be thin if it wasn't for this pesky artificial sugar." yeah right.
PaulAJK 10y ago
Soda is for kids. America is the only place on earth where adults routinely consume sweet fizzy drinks. Just cut it out.
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WilkySan 10y ago
Yes, and Mexico, Canada and the UK are all fat as fuck too. That only helps prove the point.
PaulAJK 10y ago
I'm in the UK, and I don't know any adults who drink lots of soda except as a mixer.
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The video showing women from the 60s/70s is irrelevant only because they would have picked attractive women to be in the video. Many of the outfits they wore were more feminine/less slutty but if you watch closely there are a few wearing what is akin to a bikini. I do agree however that I'd prefer women who dress themselves up like most of the women in the 70s video instead of how they dress today. The average dress of young girls today would be considered jezebel and maximum harlot.
I'm sick to death of black spandex, over-arched backs and "booty poppin" twerkers that only remind me of savage apes. If you get off on 10s in g-strings booty clapping your cock all the fucking power to ya. I certainly do not.