TL:DR: Vanity Fair September 2015 article dives into the cultural decline of the modern American dating scene, effectively describing WHAT is happening but without going a step further and assessing the ramifications of the current culture on civilization as a whole. Also, blaming men.
There are plenty of juicy quotes in the article, but I'm going to summarize.
Three Chads discuss how many women they fuck off of Tinder in NYC. It's very clear these guys have abundance mentality, which snowballs their success even further. One even describes "playing the beta" in order to rack up his notch count. This is the world you've created, ladies.
Of course the article asks "Is this good for women?" It doesn't care about whether it's good for men or society as a whole- disposable gender and all. Women feeling de-valued? Deep down they realize that the higher their n-count, the lower their value in the SMP is.
Oh fine, I'll do one quote. From a female Professor of Sociology:
“For young women the problem in navigating sexuality and relationships is still gender inequality, Young women complain that young men still have the power to decide when something is going to be serious and when something is not—they can go, ‘She’s girlfriend material, she’s hookup material.’ … There is still a pervasive double standard. We need to puzzle out why women have made more strides in the public arena than in the private arena.”
The answer is simple: Men are the gatekeepers of commitment, women are the gatekeepers of sex. As a corollary- Men's commitment is more valuable than a woman's sex, and more and more men are realizing that.
Additional talk referencing a study in which millenials are having less sex than Gen X'ers and Baby Boomers- the thought doesn't occur to them that the top 20% are drowning in pussy, while the remaining 80% are getting nothing. Be in the top 20%. Even better, aim for the top 20% of the top 20%.
“It seems like the girls don’t have any control over the situation, and it should not be like that at all,” Fallon says."
“Sex should stem from emotional intimacy, and it’s the opposite with us right now, and I think it really is kind of destroying females’ self-images,” says Fallon.
Awww, the poor self-images. How about it's kind of destroying western civilization? You reap what you sow, especially when you can't control dem tinglez.
“But if you say any of this out loud, it’s like you’re weak, you’re not independent, you somehow missed the whole memo about third-wave feminism,” says Amanda.
Deep down she realizes something isn't quite right, but the "you-go-girl" mentality that has been drilled into her from a very young age ultimately pervades. This is progress, right? Then why aren't you happy?
There's plenty of RP gold in the rest of the article- thought that it was relevant to share.
Lessons Learned:
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If you're in the top 20%, online dating is a gold mine. Take your pick of who you want to fuck- just make sure to be Chad.
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If there's a perceived cultural issue, the first response is to ask: "How is it affecting the women!?" Nobody cares about men or society as a whole.
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Women can sense that something is not right- remember, they're programmed just as we are, and they ultimately suffer equally as much if not more in the long run than men.
- Never forget how valuable your commitment as a man is, and never ever initiate exclusivity with a woman. Deep down they know that it's their job to win your commitment, and initiating monogamy with a woman is a surefire way to paint yourself as a beta in her mind.
fuck_da_haes 9y ago
Nope, they will ALWAYS find some desperate beta in the end, there is no justice in this shit for men, just enjoy the decline a don't get yourself tied to some aging slut.
kathan 9y ago
I find it ironic that this woman makes up a theory from a few anedotical interviews with Wall Street guys and average college girls and then dismisses a scientific study because it was "based partly on projections".
This article is just another girl hamstering why the Chads she hooked up with on Tinder don't want to commit.
And we get it, men are evil and girls awesome. ("and this boy that came over last night, he was hurting me.”)
voatiscool 9y ago
This is particularly telling about who is being interviewed, in that there actually a lot of guys out there looking for LTRs(some even attractive).
The thing is, those guys aren't looking for sluts who spend their time hooking up on Tinder.
russtafarian10 9y ago
First they want to have as much sex as they want in the name of sexual freedom. Now they've got that, they cry over not being taken seriously for relationships. By all means jump on the CC, but don't cry when no one decent wants to wife your used up ass.
You reap what you sow.
makethemsayayy 9y ago
They want it every which fucking way.
Society: But gee, let's make this one more change, it will surely placate them and we'll never hear of this again! retarded smile with fucked up teeth
APookIsAPook 9y ago
Consider that it's different minorities arguing for each, and the majority of women who go with popular opinion without understanding the implications get fucked.
Redpillc0re 9y ago
Historically women don't reap just what they sow, they also leech as much as they can get away with.
WarmApfelPi 9y ago
Women reap what men sow and allow
[deleted] 9y ago
Looks like the Wall is about partner count now...
A young women whoring herself will reach her number much faster and hit a "wall". Alphas can tell a young slut pretty quickly especially when she tats herself up or has the thousand cock stare.
MagneticJohnson 9y ago
A friend of mine just got herself this insanely horrible tattoo. I banged her a few times when she was innocent and cute. this tattoo was probably the mark of her 50th dick. not sot innocent and cute anymore lol.
Lonny_zone 9y ago
The best article I have read that illustrates what the sexual revolution has unleashed.
Amanda, feminists lied to you: casual sex is not for women. These women have flat out admitted that wanton casual sex is sexually desensitizing and psychologically damaging.
I bet NYC will have the first mainstream movement for red pill women. Too little, too late. Too bad, so sad.
TheWindyCity 9y ago
Gotta love how the victim mentality has managed to become the default in every situation now. "These poor women are getting used and abused for sex". Women have the power, but because Chad won't commit, they're the real victims....in other words when discussing men and women they automatically think Chad. Never mind poor beta bob who can't even get a single date off of tinder.
It's also funny how people seem so shocked and disappointed that being a cum dumpster didn't empower women in the way they thought it would. The irony is that the real winners are all the Chads out there who can take advantage of the $1.99 all you can eat pussy buffet that third-wave feminism has created
[deleted] 9y ago
Yep...the people the "feminist" movement helped the most? Misogynistic philanderers!
The irony really is just too much.
darkstout 9y ago
Hilarious. And that's some red pill for women: men don't want to commit to sluts! And if a man does wife up a slut, what does that say about him?
CopperFox3c 9y ago
What is truly stunning is the complete lack of understanding by various "academics" about the source of the current situation. "Empowered" women started giving sex away for free like the world was about to end. But they act like it's men that somehow now are less willing to commit. Or some internet bullshit. Fucking newsflash: Men have always been hesitant to commit.
What's equally stunning is the talk about the "double standard" with sex, where women who give it away too freely are considered sluts, and looked down upon. Even though Beta men who give away commitment left and right are just as much looked down upon by women. It's not a double standard, it's that we are held to different standards.
Women were always the gatekeepers of sex, men the gatekeepers of commitment. Men used to have to trade a little bit of commitment for what they wanted. Women though, under the guise of feminism, have abandoned that role. Men are simply doing what they've always done, and adapting to the current situation. Reap what you sow, ladies.
WardlyHasted 9y ago
That lack of understanding from 'academics' is exactly why bullshit like 'Yes Means Yes' becomes law.
They are so far removed from reality and everything they do operates under a theoretical framework.
kingofpoplives 9y ago
This was the vibe I got from the article as well. It's a fascinating view into a certain type of female perspective. Through the lens of this author, the only men who exist are Chads -- banging endless strings of women at will. There is not a single quote from or about any guys who aren't top 5%. It's all indie rockstars, marketing executives, and ivy league investment bankers.
It's also interesting how virtually all of the women she interviews are very young, primarily 19-24.
This is the world that gets created when men cede full control of the sexual marketplace to the whims of very young women -- a river of cheap and dirty sex, but no families or children.
EurasianTiger 9y ago
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[deleted] 9y ago
When the fuck were men EVER psyched about having kids? It seems like most men are just brow-beaten into having them. They're certainly not so psyched as to stay home with them, so why are they suddenly so psyched when realizing that women are not?
kingofpoplives 9y ago
I think historically, becoming the patriarch of a large family was viewed as a primary male goal. As man it was on you to perpetuate your tribe from one generation to the next. Avoiding that burden was viewed as disgraceful.
Of course, at those time men weren't expected to be changing diapers or doing any of the heavy lifting involved with child rearing.
babydocnorman 9y ago
If high value men had an incentive to settle down, marry and raise a family, Tinder wouldn't exist. Women would be valued for their attractiveness and maternal qualities and not just sex.
If women adjusted their mating expectations and learned to like dating guys closer to their own SMV (i.e. assortative mating), it would open up a whole new pool of bidders for their services (non Fuckboys), increasing their market value.
I guess that patriarchy thing was good for women after all.
kingofpoplives 9y ago
I agree. The issue is that women, by their nature, are not forward thinking.
Their instincts lead them to be attracted to "edgy" dudes with muscles and tatts who use and abuse them with filthy sex, then laugh as they toss them away. Perhaps worse, it incentivizes men to model themselves after certain types of sexually successful degenerates.
They types of men always existed, and were successful with women to a certain degree, but it was widely known that the women who went with them were ruined. Now a large percentage of youth-targeted celebrities fit these parasitic free-riding archetypes.
There's going be a massive generation that knows only hedonism, pain, and mutual abuse, with no practical or theoretical conception of how build and live a healthy family life.
52576078 9y ago
Yeah, you know you're getting old when you find you are repulsed by the heroes of the modern kids. Parasitic free-riders is a good way to put it.
Aeronautix 9y ago
im reading one mind blowing thing after another in this post
[deleted] 9y ago
That would make sense though; and we can't have that.
dr_warlock 9y ago
I call this hypergamy induced 'Pareto Blindness'. They only see the top 20%+, everyone below is invisible. As a dr, that is my diagnosis. There is no cure because it's not a disease; it's not a bug, it's a defualt female feature
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
It's actually called the Apex Fallacy - imputing to the whole group the attribute of the very top individuals in that group.
dr_warlock 9y ago
Hypergamy makes them only want the top 20. Only seeing the top twenty makes them blind to the bottom 80. Thoughts about the average experience of a man based on this perception is the apex fallacy, a manifestation of the hypergamy + 'pareto blindness', but not the same thing.
Ronin11A 9y ago
This comment seriously just clicked a light bulb on in my brain. It makes so much sense.
They're emotional sluts, and no one respects a slut.
trpftw 9y ago
But the thing is, it really shouldn't be despite being so.
All a beta did was give commitment, what's the harm in that? All a slut did is give sex, what's the harm in that?
Instead it's become this thing where we are trying to teach people to stop being so loving and stop being so freely giving. To hide your intentions or make it seem like you have no intentions. All deceit in order to psychologically manipulate a woman into getting feelings of inadequacy mainly due to the fact that women feel so entitled to good men.
The root problem seems to be entitlement on all sides. Fat women think they can have decent men without any work to get rid of their fat. Beta men thinking they can get hot girls by just wanting it. Alpha men swimming in choices and not being satisfied. Sexy women who only want the best alpha and never satisfied. Apparently, no one wants to get a somewhat lesser choice and no one wants to dedicate time/energy/work.
You know what forget my rant, I think this problem is self-fixing the more I think about it.
That's what's so good about TRP you know. It puts it into the open. The honest truth being, everyone should be improving themselves.
Ronin11A 9y ago
That which is given freely has little value. I would argue that is a core TRP concept.
magnetflavoredwater 9y ago
Holy shit I'm glad you pointed that out. Damn, RP just clicked for me hardcore
wolfraisedbysheep 9y ago
Betas are commitment whores.
magnetflavoredwater 9y ago
No shit. We just want a woman we can trust. I really hope this subreddit doesn't get banned.
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alucard4571 9y ago
You should see the ridiculous descriptions I've seen of this place since the latest bannings. Granted, this sub isn't a "safe place", nor is it welcoming to outsiders, but I've been all around this reddit. Everyone gets their own little echo chamber here. And everyone exaggerates about everyone else. Its the fucking internet.
But I've always seen the new " content policy" enforced here even before it became official. There is always warning against brigading and use of non participation links. If this place gets banned its because the politically correct winds have shifted it to be so.
I've been to SRS too. There is only one better example of people intolerant to others ideas...
Obio1 9y ago
And the cardinal sin of betas is that they often struggle to get a woman to commit. These betas manage to turn women into the gatekeepers of both sex and commitment -- and then wonder why they get shit on down the road.
exit_sandman 9y ago
That's actually pretty normal until a certain age; here's my take on it for the average man/woman:
I know that's a staple of TRP, but disagree with it to an extent.
Think of it: women have higher standards and feel less (intrinsic) pressure to mate than men. As a consequence, they're more likely to hold out for a better man as long as they think they can afford it (i.e. during their teens and 20s). Some women abstain from sex and relationships, others hope to bone their way into relationships (only to get dumped), others again fuck reasonably hot but otherwise not very datable guys if they feel the need. But all of these types have in common that they try to partner up with a guy who is overall more attractive than they actually can get.
Now of course not all women fail with that tactic, and it's also not as if all women behaved that way, but this situation certainly influences the SMP: Due to the fact that many women think they can afford to hedge her bets on dating up, a female is less likely to date a male who is the same percentile of overall attractiveness as she is than vice versa. Even when he is willing to commit to her.
Because men on the other hand are far more willing to compromise in that regard; and if they have internalized the feminine imperative (i.e. most guys these days), they're looking for commited relationships out of their own free will. I.e. they don't use commitment as a bargaining chip, but are offering it to any woman they fancy without strings attached.
However, even though the tide turns slowly over the years (as men gather relationship experience, they become gradually more comfortable with asking for more earlier on), the true gamechanger comes around the wall. Because once they reach that point, women start to actually desire commitment more than men: they realize their biological clock is ticking, that they finally have to settle down before it's too late. However, due to the fact that they aren't alone, the tables are turned against them, probably for the first time: basically, every year you get a new age group of wall-hitters who have postponed settling down until it's too late (now we all know the NAWALT stories of how individual women started blossom only in their late 20s and where more desired when they should have hit the wall, but regardless of these outlier stories, women collectively are in a harder place around that age than they ever were before).
The men in the same age group who up until that point were mostly in an inferior position when it came to dating suddenly get the upper hand: not only do they have younger women who are potentially open to the idea of dating them, but also women of the same age (and also a few older ones) who are far more compliant and interested than they ever were before: it's at that point that male commitment truly becomes as valuable as TRP says it is; and a man may be able to poach a (matured, but still good-looking) woman in a higher percentile of attractiveness when he's willing to wife her up.
Jani1157 9y ago
Thanks, it just dawned on me that "Commitment with no strings attached," is to women what "sex with no strings attached" is to us.
Throwaway9665 9y ago
And they take advantage of it as much as we do. We love NSA sex; they love NSAA (no sex at all) orbiters.
truchisoft 9y ago
What? No, if a woman gets an alpha higher enough from her, she will desperately try to commit, the problem is that in this internet life we have, women have access to a lot of alphas all the time, so they compare what they get with what they could get, and they decide that they could get better, so they stop trying to get commitment.
exit_sandman 9y ago
I said "here's my view on the average man". And average men throw commitment at average women without hesitating.
NightwingTRP 9y ago
Turn yourself into the gatekeeper of both commitment and sex. One of my plates openly stated a few weeks ago how she was surprised I hadn't booty called her yet... and that she'd be totally ok with that if I just called her up late at night and told her to come over to mine. I laughed at her, told her that'd be fun and I'd keep it in mind. Then told her goodnight. I gotta be up in the morning. Got things to do.
Why'd I basically laugh at plate serving herself up on a plate? It's not about the sex anymore... it's about where it fits into my life. Everything must be convenient to me.
Denying a chick sex because it's not convenient for you is probably one of the most alpha moves you can pull. I swear, she wants you infinitely more. I am consciously very aware now that I am the gatekeeper of both commitment and sex with this plate.
I would even go so far as to say that we should be aiming to move plate-style-relationships from her giving up the sex regularly in hope of commitment to her no longer being in control of giving up the sex and simply being around you in a stupid hail mary long shot of getting commitment. The more control you have over the interactions, the more dominant (and thus attractive) you are... and the better you are able to manage your life.
thefisherman1961 9y ago
Before I found TRP I thought it was beta but I understand it so clearly now. Last year I met a chick at a party and got her number and she left to go to another party. Well she came back and was looking for me and apparently told everyone that she wanted to fuck me that night. Don't get me wrong, she was cute (22F, HB6) but that was a huge red flag (how many other guys has she done this to? What's her partner count? STD's?) and it screamed CRAZY
So I immediately lost all interest and basically just started ignoring her. A lot of the guys were pressuring me to hit it and the girls were hen pecking and creating drama and bothering me about it - "Hey, she's here don't you want to talk to her?? You're cute, you should go talk to her!" etc. I just sat on the couch and said "No, I'm not going to do that" and did not break frame once despite all of the chaos going on around me over it. I was humiliated at the time and thought that everyone thought I was a pussy, but I understand now that I was being alpha as fuck about it. Even after acting like an asshole, the girl still texted me a week later to chill, and I just ignored her.
douglas_p 9y ago
Dude, I've been trying to tell my friends this for ages. All you have to do is turn down sex from a hot girl a couple of times, and you will have soooo much more power.
BlackHeart89 9y ago
I've rejected women on reasons such as loyalty to a friend or because I was dating someone else. It resulted in me damn near being raped by one of them, while the other just kept insisting we "hang out". Before TRP, it only happened with 2 women, so the BP me thought it was just them hoes. Turns out, its most women.
OhAndOneMoreThing 9y ago
Can confirm. Had a friend, ironically enough named Chad, who was grinding up on this girl that a mutual friend of ours had shown interest in.
I made a "bros before ho's" comment which led to said girl asking me if I would turn her down out of loyalty, to which I replied "Absolutely."
She started flirting with me, I got permission from the mutual friend, had sex with her about 6 times that week.
GroundhogLiberator 9y ago
What if you only get the one opportunity, though?
douglas_p 9y ago
If you know for a fact that it will be your only opportunity (say you're on vacation), go for it.
xfLyFPS 9y ago
If you will never see them again, go ahead and fuck them since it wont matter anyways.
thefisherman1961 9y ago
When I was a teenager, this girl (HB5) had a massive crush on me for a year and a half, but I didn't want anything to do with her because I didn't find her attractive enough. I didn't see her for about a year (over which she continued to obsess over me, according to everyone she knew) and then I saw her again. She shot up to an HB7, so I hit it.
She just automatically assumed that she was going to be one of my plates and even straight up said, "If you fuck other girls, just don't tell me about it." Because women would rather share an alpha than be exclusive with a beta. Of course this was in my pre-TRP days and I was looking for an LTR so it wasn't long before I asked her to commit to me, which she obviously did. She commented, "I thought for sure you were just going to be an asshole and only use me for booty calls."
Well I think you know how that went. It wasn't long at all before she started disrespecting me and tossing out ridiculous shit tests...and it was because I abandoned abundance mentality in favor of oneitis, and gave up my commitment card like it was worthless. I got what I deserved for destroying her expectations that I was alpha, and instead I turned out to be a totally 100% thirsty beta. I know now that she subconsciously resented that about me.
commentatorX 9y ago
This is basically the Nativity story for TRP.
RP-on-AF1 9y ago
Perfect anecdote for the "men are the gatekeepers of commitment"notion. Thanks for sharing.
thefisherman1961 9y ago
I realized that men who give away their commitment card as if it's worthless are viewed by women the same way that women who give out sex like it's worthless are viewed by men: with disgust. It is the male equivalent of being a slut.
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FishFoxFerret 9y ago
Men are suppose to ask women for commitment?
I know two of my plates want commitment but they won't say anything out of fear of me cutting them off. And I'm not about to commit to a woman who wants me to ask her into a relationship.
hirjd 9y ago
Hey kids, wanna go to Disney world this weekend?
quelques_heures 9y ago
With the implication being that she would have let you use her as a booty call! Women will line up around the block to be an alpha's booty call and always lamenting that he's not her boyfriend, instead of being exclusive with a beta.
I read a thread once about a guy who was a plumber or something working in this girl's house, and they end-up having sex and being fuck-buddies, but then she starts getting resentful that he won't commit. And I'm like if she wanted a real boyfriend who wanted to commit, there's no shortage of guys out there who are looking for girlfriends, and of course I get downvoted because women are always the victims, somehow.
This just proves my point.
thefisherman1961 9y ago
It's true, there are plenty of decent looking nice guys out there who would make for perfect providing boyfriends. Let me guess, you're talking about getting downvoted in a thread that was posted on 2X?
xfLyFPS 9y ago
I have a question here though.
If men are the gatekeepers of commitment, then how can he give out his commitment without the woman immediately putting him in the beta zone? Let's say a high SMV male finds a high SMV female and he decides to commit - how can he avoid the betabux label?
Would sitting down together and telling her "Alright, I will commit to you, but if you pull anything fishy or start giving me shit I will give you 72 hours to move out, no exceptions" work?
thefisherman1961 9y ago
I think the idea is to wait for her to ask for commitment, even if you want to commit to her. And if she starts pulling any crap, either start dread gaming her, demote her to plate, soft next, or hard next.
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
No, the idea is to wait for her to prove herself worthy of commitment.
Ignore what they say, watch what they do.
thefisherman1961 9y ago
Of course. You must have missed the fact that we were discussing what to do after you deem her worthy of commitment.
frequentlywrong 9y ago
Translation: "I was dripping at the thought of you being an asshole and only use me for booty calls."
jb_trp 9y ago
I love the total lack of personal responsibility. It's like she has no agency whatsoever and everything only revolves around how it makes her feel.
My current plate is like that. She says I'm "mean" a lot, and I have no clue where she gets that from, other than I'm apparently not groveling and kissing her ass every day.
thefisherman1961 9y ago
If she really thought you were mean, she would have dumped you. "Mean" = tingles.
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thefisherman1961 9y ago
Yep. But I asked her to commit quickly because I didn't want to be viewed by her friends and family as an asshole taking advantage of m'lady, the poor damsel in distress, because I was a white knight fag.
trpftw 9y ago
It's almost a form of stockholm syndrome right? "ugh, he really does want me and treats me perfect... well now I hate him and feel nothing for him..."
I'm pretty sure this is biological. I am not sure any men get turned off by a women who works hard for their commitment.
thefisherman1961 9y ago
I don't get turned off, in fact I get turned on by it because I assume that that sort of perseverance means she would have certain qualities that are good for LTRs like respect and loyalty. But no, it's never enough.
trpftw 9y ago
Yeah that's what confuses me. Things that make logical sense and yet they don't want it or don't give it to others.
johnnight 9y ago
No, there is absolutely not. Women have the power to make exactly the same decisions. And they do.
It's just that they value the options differently then men and they resent men having power over their own ... bodies. They want to rape men, it's just a different form of rape.
Ronin11A 9y ago
Yah, that horrible double standard is really killing them. /s
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
No. Chad has the power to decide when something is going to be serious and when it's not. All other men are given the choice of "commitment or get the fuck out", manifesting as their pre-sex demands and the high costs (time and resources) of dating females for normal men.
through_a_ways 9y ago
At least until the girl in question hits 28.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
Especially when the girl in question hits 28.
makethemsayayy 9y ago
Those men of course don't exist to them. Just like men had "soooo good in the past". Sure lots of them were dying in hellish wars by the millions and suffocating in coal mines, but .00001% got to rule everyone! (nevermind their queen)
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RedPill4LYF 9y ago
I think the biggest part of the downfall of dating is how entirely slothful women have become. It pretty much isn't even an exaggeration to say they're turning into literal Jabba The Huts anymore from all the overexposure of validation they get on social media. Raise your hand if you haven't encountered a fat entitled legbeard who thinks she's sexy. Just swiping through Tinder alone you're guaranteed to see tons of them. The Huts and single mothers make up a sickening majority of the selection. Am I lying? Call me out. I dare anyone to tell me I'm full of it.
Social media clearly has detrimental affects on a woman's mental as well as physical health. It's a public health crisis. Women and social media should be a crime against humanity.
Redasshole 9y ago
Women has the unfair advantage of choosing if sex happens or not. There is still a pervasive double standard. We need to make sure women have no power whatsoever in their relationship and private life by enabling any man to choose whether or not he have sex with a woman, whether she agrees or not.
Replace women by men and sex by commitment and you get what she says.
[deleted] 9y ago
And why I've withdrawn my commitment and attention completely. Businesses who don't have any investors close up shop.
[deleted] 9y ago
I just want to reiterate how glad I am to be learning about The Red Pill. These sort of news stories used to depress me and make just make me sad about my relationship potential.
Now I just read them and think about how to use the information to my advantage.
I actually think I have always been TRP, I just didn't know how to understand it.
redpillschool Admin 9y ago
I love this.. "men still have the power to decide when something is going to be serious and when something is not" is considered evidence that there "is still gender inequality."
Hear that? Gender equality is when women call the shots on who men date.
ferengiprophet 9y ago
They're aiming for supremacy and use words like "equality" to draw support from gullible men and women. Feminists and SJWs are masters at using language to get what they want while simultaneously suppressing it to prevent their ideological opponents from attacking them.
scarletspider3 9y ago
I can't believe she actually said that the problem is that "men still have the power to decide when something is going to be serious and when it's not". In other words she's mad that Feminism still hasn't taken away free will from men.
otterberg1 9y ago
So women are sad they aren't finding true love on Tinder? I think I read a similar article back in the 80's titled "Bars open at 7am and the dating apocalypse". The only thing to read into this is that the author is retarded.
Quadraphonic- 9y ago
Read the entire article. Cheap sex works for good looking guys who fit the mold of what women are raised to want. I used tinder for 3 months and swiped right around 2000 women and got back 3 replies from trolls.
I don't feel sorry for women who only fucked the top 20 percent and wonder why they will be single at 30's 40's 50's. I don't want sloppy seconds from you discovering your sexuality.
thewrightstuff88 9y ago
It's not even being raised, its their nature, women are genetically prone to leaning towards guys like "chad." This behavior has its own evolutionary origins which have been explained on this sub a lot and it makes sense. Media isn't helping by mixing "how chad looks" with what "billy beta" does
Quadraphonic- 9y ago
i guess I'm billy beta then by tinder standards. However when the lights go off these pretty boys or chads as you call em are all but helpless. Women are more interested in a guy who can fix their wifi rather than build a fire. A guy that has the money to take the car to the dealership rather than being fixed by her man. I've always wore a tool belt to work not a keyboard so I can't relate to these values.
teeelo 9y ago
You're describing all Beta provider qualities. You're interesting to women who aren't going to interest you sexually.
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mrpCamper 9y ago
In their 20s they want the Chads. After 10+ years of CC, they realize they can't get commitment this way or from these guys so they start to look for Billy Beta.Thing ages 28-35. They can usually snag him. That works for another 10+ years but then they start remembering what they used to feel/get from the Chads that they aren't and haven't been getting from Billy.
Quadraphonic- 9y ago
In my experience they want chads from puberty till they have to support themselves financially for a couple years. This may happen at 18,21,25,30 or later post divorce. I'd say from 15-25 women want the typical have it all alpha male. Good looks good future and all the trimmings. After 25 biologiclly it's adnormal not to be pregnant statistically speaking thru history. Billy beta might tide them over from 25-35 but then the biological clock hits and they are desperate to find a man with higher testerone.
In my experience the women who are the most willing to give away sex is 15-25 and 35-45. This is validated by divorce statistics and biology.
mrpCamper 9y ago
I think you are correct here but I don't see how this correlates to your above post. I be missin' somethin'!! I think we both agree that once they net Billy Beta and spend 10-15 years making babies, fixing bathrooms up and being on the PTA they start to think about Chad again...
Quadraphonic- 9y ago
Oh we agree Im just new to red pill and its terminology
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cocaine_face 9y ago
Of course they do. That's the whole point.
Taking agency away from powerful sexy men, and making them want her above all else. Find the sexiest man EVER, and turn him into the best provider EVER. That's the dream.
Iceman3514 9y ago
but then he wont be the sexiest man ever even if he is
redzorp 9y ago
And should they ever achieve that dream - henpeck the Alpha until he turns beta. Divorce rape him. Rinse and repeat.
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indlife 9y ago
Articles like this one should really be taken with a grain of salt. Sex sells, and media knows that. It is also focused on NYC. NYC, at least the Manhattan area, from what I understand has more women than men. Thanks to the destruction of Christian based sexual morals in the US, sex is expected in any sort of dating relationship well before any commitment. As such, the women know that if sex isn't given, there is zero chance of commitment. Now women are whining because of this. Typical of hypocrites. They wanted the ability to be as sexual as they wanted, and now they are upset that when they want LTRs that lead to marriage, men ain't lining up to give it. The guys who are bragging may or may not be lying, but the example posted by another on this thread shows that these might not be beauty queens we are talking about here so maybe they are just bragging about the numbers, not the quality.
I've heard different stories about dating and Tinder as well. Even the comments on some other pages that discuss this article say that this is a progressive, liberal big city example, not necessarily what is happening in fly over country that tends to be more conservative. If this type of intimate human interaction continues and spreads across the country, then I predict the US will be done within a decade or two. What this story is really complaining about is the productive class of somewhat alpha to very alpha males not ringing the productive class of females. The secondary story might be about how even more beta leaning guys aren't having any of it as well. The guys who lean a little more beta area likely getting some action, not as much as Chad, but they have the smarts to not want anything long term with women who have bounced from guy to guy.
The future will be interesting for sure for the productive class that is 18-35: Out-of-wedlock birth rate, artificial insemination rates, marriage rates, STD rates, anti-depressant prescription rates, all will be good indicators of where this country is heading.
Lt_Muffintoes 9y ago
Because the government has all the guns and can steal from men for women, but rape is (still) illegal.
aguy01 9y ago
Asking ""Is this good for women?"" already implies that women understand that men benefit more from casual sex than women do. This, stupid people of the world, is why women are sluts and men are studs.
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The funny thing about this is that feminists view it as unfair that they have no control over whether a man commits to them or not. The authoritarian left's dream is to force men to couple with women they have sex with. Ironically this is no different from the authoritarian right's dream, bible thumpers who think having sex once should keep people together for life.
Men have always been hesitant to commit because they're not approached, they're doing the approaching. Women are approached often, so they have a pretty good idea of what their SMV is and what mates they can attract. Men simply don't have as many data points to draw on, because they have to actively go and hit on a girl rather than being hit on constantly. So, men don't know whether they have a better choice in marriage out there.
52576078 9y ago
Haha, you're right. And of course they haven't even vaguely thought it through - so if you forced all the Chads to pair off with one woman each, what about the women who didn't get a Chad? They can't be expected to settle for a non-Chad. LOL!
JeanValjean197o 9y ago
Once again, the female centric media misses the mark in order to fulfill their mandate to kiss women's asses and never hold them accountable for anything.
I'm amazed by all the issues that are important to women which go unsolved because everyone has to kow tow to the feminist narrative.
They could point to real solutions here and actually help women (and men) live better lives, but they won't either because they are brainwashed or if they actually know the answer are too afraid of politically correct backlash.
It's not just this issue.
Domestic violence is a mutual violence issue. The leading catalyst to DV is alcohol abuse, but they still blame men and the patriarchy and when alcohol is mentioned they say, "That's no excuse."
Or how about anorexia. It's a kind of obsessive compulsive disorder, but the politically correct elite still want to promote their "unreasonable beauty standards" driving women to be skinny. Except anorexia has been around for hundreds of years when there were no skinny standards (and quite the opposite).
Fuck 'em. Literally. Their downfall and distress is our opportunity. Let them shoot each other in the foot. Blame us all they want, they really can't do anything to stop us now.
VasiliyZaitzev 9y ago
Translation: "Women don't get everything they want, all the time, with no cost to them."
As it turns out, we're not playing "Should'ves".
Women got everything they wanted. And they're STILL not happy.....
mrpCamper 9y ago
The sooner you realize the absolute truth in this the happier YOU will be. go talk to any guy.. literally any guy who has been married for over 10 years.
skoobled 9y ago
Should is a word that should be banned
See what I did there? Boom boom
vengefully_yours 9y ago
Give them what they ask for and they're miserable. It makes sense in a way, because people crave what they can't have, the more effort required to get it the more value it has. If it's easy or common then it's not a problem to get it, so no worries about it.
Girls don't want to work for it, but it has to be special so they can feel special. That's why they perceive themselves as higher status when they have a high status man. He is special so she feels special too. It's not special if it's given away or everyone has one. That's basic human nature among all of us.
VasiliyZaitzev 9y ago
You know when my plates are happiest? When I tell them what to do. It gives them a hierarchical structure that they understand and like b/c they understand what is expected of them (show up, look pretty, enjoy whatever I have selected for that evening's entertainment, and do whatever I want them to do, sexually), without the burden of leadership or decision-making.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
That's my Chicago girl to a T. She wants a strong leader, and having one males her wetter than lake Michigan.
Schrodingersdawg 9y ago
Topkek. Attitude above all
Insert "women don't know what they want" here
vicious_armbar 9y ago
Same deal. Women loved muscled up shirtless pics. What puzzles me is why they pretend that they don't.
cocaine_face 9y ago
Because it destroys their good girl image.
BlackHeart89 9y ago
They're trying to catch a beta bucks and alpha fucks at the same damn time.
NakedAndBehindYou 9y ago
They know what they want. And it's not any beta dumb enough to actually believe what they say they want.
marty2k 9y ago
I don't think most women are outwardly and intentionality cruel enough to lie to a guy about what they want. All the women that gave me that oh so stellar advice in my younger years were not vindictive or mean, hell my own mother was the worst perpetrator.
Most women just lack introspection, they really think they do want that sweet beta because logically they know it's good for them, but rationalize away the fact that they never hook up with those guys because they don't give her the same tingles as some ripped, aloof alpha does. It's like how most people know fruits and veggies are healthier than McDonald's, but still eat there every other night. The hamster is strong, my friend.
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Oh look, somehow you dropped this part:
Wow, maybe it's not attitude, it's looks. Nick is apparently ripped and muscular. Also, the woman says he's not tall, which in woman probably means he's 5'11'', but even if he's not, he just posts pictures of his muscles and that's enough for women.
RedHeimdall 9y ago
Lol he also has a small dick at only 7" and he doesn't make much money, only $100k.
BlackHeart89 9y ago
When its an app, pics are 80% of the battle. Oh.
Women barely even read the profiles if its more than a sentence or two. I'm pretty confident they take note of the height and income as well.
Thinking of something clever to say? There is a high probability that out of the several dozen dicks thrown at her on that app everyday, someone has already said it.
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
You're off by 20%
Profiles are [virtually] never read.
cdtCPTret 9y ago
Found the same thing about shirtless pics. Immediate matches. Nothing new I guess.
teeelo 9y ago
Not a bathroom selfie I imagine?
Syriz_ 9y ago
this is one of my current goals, been hitting the gym hard and eating proper for months. Want to pull off a shirtless picture (not posing, just doing something like punting or moving stuff so it looks natural)
91239477348238942983 9y ago
...yup just moving this couch for my tinder pic...
cdtCPTret 9y ago
I think people can screw up a "non-posing" pic too. Like if you're the only one without a shirt in a group or setting you look like as much of a douche as a flash mirror pic. Being shirtless with others at a beach or something still directs people to check out your shirtless friends so you gotta be extra shredded. I took a few semi-high quality ones on a timer and put a little filter on it to make it look semi-professional. Maybe another one works better. Playing volleyball? I like mine because it's succinct. Not a lot of moving parts.
Syriz_ 9y ago
yeah there is a lot of things that can go wrong, i will worry about it when the time comes. At the moment I am just keeping my head down and living right
BaconEggsAndSleaze 9y ago
Haha, a guy punting on tinder would look normal?
Try again.
Philhelm 9y ago
I want to post a Tinder picture of myself mining coal, shirtless, in the darkest, most cavernous depths, while illuminated in infrared.
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Syriz_ 9y ago
I would consider punting a suitable pic why not? if you have the right body type it looks good and the water and some of the scenes you get to witness make up for a nice picture.
BaconEggsAndSleaze 9y ago
Are you Steve Weatherford?
Haha, I looked it up and it's also similar to a dude using a gondola?
I thought you meant This
Syriz_ 9y ago
hah! no idea what is going on in the second pic. Punting is quite popular here where I live and is often regarded as a classy hobby
geezer_pleezer 9y ago
Unless you are Chad you don't even exist to these women
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
What does "fuckboy" mean exactly?
These women are saying 100% of men are fuckable to them?
HAMMURABl 9y ago
90 % of men are assholes! the true number must be closer to 20%.
oh but wait, it was conditional on being in the top 20% already, since the bottom 80% are invisible/dont count, OBVIOUSLY.
epixs 9y ago
What exactly does one mean by "fuckboy" ? Never really heard of this phrase before .
ChildOfTheLostTribes 9y ago
Off topic but these people need to stop using slang they don't know about. Call a dude who just got out a "fuckboy" and he just might go back in.
vicious_armbar 9y ago
Have these women ever stopped to consider that if 90-100% of eligible bachelors aren't good enough for them; then maybe they're the ones who are the problem.
dicklord_airplane 9y ago
still in the anger phase, eh?
vicious_armbar 9y ago
No just stating the obvious.
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A_Cubicle_Jockey 9y ago
I get a chuckle whenever I hear that line. They're the same ones who will tell a man that he needs to settle, and that he's looking for women out of his league. Yet though, she refuses to take her own advice.
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LukeMooney 9y ago
the "No good men" line nearly always means "I can't get the good men anymore". Women who were good looking then lose their looks have this issue.
trpftw 9y ago
It's entitlement. That they think they deserve a perfect man or alpha who will treat them like a princess. That such a man will put up with all their problems.
In many cases such women rarely even work on themselves. How many women have you seen with terrible makeup, terrible hair, or look like they never went to the gym in their life?
It's similar to a lot of beta guys too, who have this entitlement where they think some model-like women will one day love them. Many of them won't go to the gym or improve themselves in anyway either. And the most hilarious part is, they never go to look for them. They actually think such a women will someday enter their social network or workplace and they'll "hit it off".
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KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
Check for her photo on tagthesponsor dot com.
Source1311 9y ago
I get strong 'tagthesponsor' vibes from the oil sheikh.
boredgod 9y ago
Yep - those girls are just fresh, white canvas for Saudi poop paintings.
OneRedYear 9y ago
The fact that they are using the term Fuckboy that I used to hear in the ghetto 15 years ago from ghetto ass people tells you how far they have fallen.
redestofthereds 9y ago
I've been called a fuckboy on POF. Ha ha that bitch was ghetto as fuck.
ChrisBenRoy 9y ago
This made me chuckle as well, I would have asked her to define exactly what she means by "fuckboy".
Jani1157 9y ago
The whole word has so many different definitions it's ridiculous, probably why it's thrown around so much.
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BlackHeart89 9y ago
EXACTLY! I'm a black guy, btw.
Unfortunately, being "hood" is glamorized by the vast majority of people in my area. Even the suburban folk. I have to travel to the more upscale part of town (neighboring cities, 10 to 45 min) or get lucky to meet anyone who doesn't fit that mold.
I'm a mix between suburban and ghetto btw. So I'm really getting the pros and cons from both sides.
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A_Cubicle_Jockey 9y ago
Same here. If a white girl is more hood then me then I know it isn't going to last.
BlackHeart89 9y ago
Exactly.
I find that I have the best luck with women in terms of plates or LTRs if they were raised in a mixed environment.
through_a_ways 9y ago
Everything bad hits black people first, and then white people, as a general rule for America.
VasiliyZaitzev 9y ago
Actually, it usually stops by the Hispanic neighborhoods, on its way out to the 'burbs.
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I'd rather say It slows down by the Hispanic neighborhoods.
dumbms1 9y ago
Hispanics have higher general achievement rates than blacks in all categories and actually recieve less federal aid per capita than whites. http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/12/7-facts-about-government-benefits-and-who-gets-them/266428/
VasiliyZaitzev 9y ago
That has a lot to do with sample size. Basically, you can track who does "better" among ethnicities based on who is more likely to have a father present in the home. Thus it's basically Asians, then Whites, then Hispanics, then Blacks. (AmerIndians turn up b/w Hispanics and Blacks, IIRC, but someone else can google it).
dumbms1 9y ago
Hispanic culture is like the definiton of patriarchy.
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
If they can keep it up (keep feminism in check), they'll be like Askenazi Jews in a couple of generations.
ChrisBenRoy 9y ago
Hey, New Albany is where I live!
Overzealous_BlackGuy 9y ago
Fuckboy is like a way of calling a guy a jerk in this context.
i_forget_my_userids 9y ago
Yeah I'm pretty sure they're saying it in the context of "boys that just want to fuck" and not "fukboi".
HighGoGetter 9y ago
haha i've only heard gangsta rappers use the term fuckboi, hysterical to hear them using it. Don't you ever call a chick a dirty slut though.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
You call her that while your cock is buried in her ass, your am around her throat choking her slightly, and pulling her hair or squeezing a tit with the other hand. Then she loves being called a dirty slut.
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redestofthereds 9y ago
According to Urban Dictionary its a "guy that ain't about shit."
buzzkills68 9y ago
Thanks for clearing that up
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i_forget_my_userids 9y ago
It really doesn't. A fukboi/fuckboy is a weak-ass punk bitch of a man, especially one who acts like more than he is.
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Overzealous_BlackGuy 9y ago
Nah when its coning from a women in this context they're calling them assholes.
DEEZ9469 9y ago
I agree I've heard plenty of girls use this term as way to describe a guys attitude when he's being a douche/asshole
HighGoGetter 9y ago
alpha assholes or beta assholes? i'm confused now
Overzealous_BlackGuy 9y ago
Well it can be either or. One she really means the other is a compliment.
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this if female code fpr "men should only be fucking after they are fully hypnotized in to being a beta bitch"
LionLaw 9y ago
Pretty much just serves as motivation to get into the top 20. Fuck it, I'm goin for the top 10
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
You need to have a net worth around $100 million just to be playing there... what's your current net worth if you don't mind sharing?
LionLaw 9y ago
I don't need 100 million dollars to fuck the type of women that millionaires wife up after men like me are done with them.
look_good 9y ago
10% of the US isn't worth $100 million. Probably not even 1%. You're retarded. There are a LOT of fucking degenerates. Our blue pill competition isn't much competition.
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
I guess maybe you are right... but it's hard to figure out the actual math.
~300,000,000 people in the USA. 16,770,000,000,000 GDP, or $55,900 per person. But we know that the vast majority of people don't even earn $55,900. The median wage is like $40,000. So 150,000,000 people earning only $40,000 a year is $6,000,000,000,000. Leaving a surplus of $2,385,000,000,000. That entire surplus is not absorbed by everyone above the median income either, and also, incomes get lower, they don't bottom out at $40,000. But the bigger idea is that probably something like 5/6ths of that extra two trillion that is sitting there goes to the top 5%, which is still 15,000,000 people mind you. All of those people getting nearly all of that surplus would be earning somewhere around $180,000.
That doesn't seem right though. I'm guessing these calculations are off because clearly nowhere near the whole population works. I guess if you eliminate children, the elderly, and for unemployed you would get a better picture of how it scales up. I would guess you need to eliminate half the population given those exclusions, maybe more. So now 50% of workers earn $40,000 or less, meaning they take a probably like 2.5 trillion from the total 16.77 trillion. The next few percent might make, what up to $100,000? Let's be generous and go with that, so that's 52,500,000,000 people making $100,000, or roughly $5,250,000,000,000. That leaves around 9 trillion. Let's say the next group of 15,000,000 people earn like $200,000. That's another 3 trillion. The top 5% then split the remaining 6 trillion amongst them, roughly 750,000 of them. That means you need to be earning at least about $800,000 a year to be in the top 5%.
This doesn't even mesh that well with actual reality though. I am assuming that if you are earning over $500,000k+ you almost always end up turning it into at least $10,000,000 somehow, and this very rough picture doesn't capture that. I am also sure that I've massively boosted numbers...all of those degenerates are earning much less than $40,000 in the lowest brackets, and hardly anyone is even earning $100,000. So realistically it's probably closer to needing to earn $1,000,000 a year to be in the top 5%. After a couple of years of investment, and such, you can turn that into $10,000,000 in assets, since this is just a capture of cashflow needed to be in the top 5%, not net worth.
So yeah, I'd say you probably need a $10 million net worth at minimum to be in the top 5% just in the USA...
Now, imagine a global picture...and you certainly need to.
I guess I was kind of off with the 100 million, I was thinking more of the top 1% I guess.
If you have any easy ideas on how to get on a $1,000,000 a year salary please let me know.
Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
People watch for one hour in a crowded area and you will see it is not as hard as you think. So many guys are beta and many others are doing MGTOW.
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Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
Makes sense. I never really got into clubs, my scene was more bars or just cold approaches. My favorite thing is LTR though, you get one that will follow you anywhere and then bring her to the gym.
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it's most certainly not an exponential curve. If anything what you're talking about is a bell curve, in that as you get towards the tails of the distribution there's significantly less people in them.
http://classes.kumc.edu/sah/resources/sensory_processing/images/bell_curve.gif
makethemsayayy 9y ago
In America? If you're not overweight you're in the top 40. Get jacked and you've hit the top 20. Learn to smirk right and perfect your (everyone's is different, mesh it with your personality) game, you're there.
Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
Yea America is not to hard. It's like 75 percent of men are overweight. You can even be ripped or look like david beckham body and pull.
splinterbeard 9y ago
A good amnt of ppl I know are mgtow. I don't blame them. They just see the problem and consider all of them slutty, say that's stupid, and game all day. Why not? They have their freedom
Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
I've got nothing against it. At most I see a rise in great discoveries because men are refusing to deal with women. The game is for some and not for some. Its time consuming too. I went the ltr route.
watersign 9y ago
what they dont talk about is how the hoards of beta orbiters are going nuts not getting any luck on tinder and uh....going on school shooting rampages lol
Lord_Varys 9y ago
My theory is that everyone is driven by the desire to leave an impact on the universe before their short life is over. Before their small insignificant flame is extinguished, they want to catalyze some kind of change on the world. Seeking immorality, where immortality is ones lasting legacy.
In the past that was by raising a family. Immortality thru progeny. If you have 10 kids and 30 grandkids, chances are great that one of them will make a huge impact, or even just own a restaurant that brings joy and good cheer to thousands.
Today, and moving forward, it is harder and harder for weak men to achieve this. The economy has made it impossible to raise more than 2 kids on middle income salary, and starting a business is a fantasy. Good jobs are gone, and so you are a cashier making minimum wage because everything is automated, and you are utterly replaceable, with no reason to take pride in your work. So Dylan Roof and James Holmes do all they can to leave their mark on the world. It's an ugly mark, but they've made it, because there's no wet cement to care their initials in anymore, so they instead deface a statue.
Feminism makes it even harder. Sex is denied to these men, and commitment is nowhere to be found. Even if they have resources to raise a child, no women will have them because the marketplace is so skewed.
watersign 9y ago
yup, there is some truth to this. what you said does apply to the vast majority of white males who come from working class or middle class families.
as someone who grew up pretty working class and now "automates" stuff at my big corporation that i work for, i agree. there is less and less demand for average people so you need to be fucking smart or just damn lucky.
more and more will get seduced by the idea of going out 'guns-a-blazing' but there are plenty of men like me who are just going to "check-out" and leave the west and stop paying taxes.
not paying taxes hurts the "the man" more so than any type of rampage/terrorist act.
gekkozorz 9y ago
Notice how MGTOWs and male 80%ers are completely absent from this story. The article is all about how sad women are because they're sharing a small number of good looking alpha investment bankers with 10" penises. The author seems under the impression the the way to solve this problem is with less sexism, but I don't think she understands the larger number problem going on here. There are simply not enough women to pair them off with the small number of alphas available.
watersign 9y ago
yup..welcome to the lenisist-marxist meda
collidoscope 9y ago
All of the Chads in the article are banging hordes of chicks, but the author points out that the average number of partners per person has gone down. It appears that the rich have gotten richer, as they say. Let's say a certain number of guys are pulling astronomical number of lays, you'd think the average for all guys would go up because you have the top % who are killing it. It turns the top has the market so cornered, they've driven the average down! Think about that for a second.
I find it interesting that towards the end, the author tries to give the dark cloud a silver lining by quoting some academics who are calling the Tinder dating scene "sex positive". What I see is the sexes playing the dating game in a world where feminists have set the rules and very few are left satisfied.
I was expecting the article to cover some non-Chads. You know, to show that not every guy is getting 50 bangs a year off Tinder. Show how the non-Chads feel about the Tinder generation. Guess what? Non-Chads are nowhere to be found. Because to the author they literally don't exist. Instead she points out a rock star who has been banging girls since Craigslist casual encounters. Tough times for the 80%...
kathan 9y ago
She doesn't point out that the average number of partners has gone down. She acknowledges there is a study that says so but dismisses it in her hamstering.
I guess average guys can't even pretend to be part of the sexual market.
BachelorYYC 9y ago
Collodoscope: Here is the irony of modern Western society. The Lefties are so bothered about the concentration of wealth into few hands but have actively created the concentration of sex into too few males. And, as most men would agree, they would rather be poor with lots of quality pussy than rich an celibate. Hence, an injustice all around.
52576078 9y ago
Yes, what's needed is some Sexual Socialism - from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs! ;-)
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All of which only makes sense if you accept the premise that women do not have agency.
RPthrowaway123 9y ago
Exactly. And if men complain that women still have all the power to decide whether they're going to have sex or not, they're both complete pussies and anti-women for thinking they're "entitled" to sex.
They have control over the sexual aspect of every relationship already, but it's not enough. They want to control the sex and the commitment.
The double standard is real. If there's one thing I've learned from TRP it's that your commitments is valuable and you can't afford to give even an inch of that up. They will take a mile.
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raob11 9y ago
Not a bad article, really, but yeah they totally miss the 90/10 rule aka Pareto distribution of guys who are hot enough that they can fuck all the time. The guys they interviewed are definitely not "average"
The analogy I use is income inequality. Any SJW understands that income inequality is "bad" and that it's an inevitable result of free economic markets.
Well, the sexual market is now free, also, and the result is sex inequality - a few % are getting all they could ever want, while big groups are getting nothing.
VF and most other observers seem to be missing that nuance, which really explains a lot of the "problems" mentioned.
Tqbfjotlds 9y ago
Women led the "sexual revolution" and demanded the right to fuck any guy they wanted. Now they are complaining that the guys they choose to fuck (the top 20%) have it too easy.
This level of stupidity is astounding.
enkae7317 9y ago
Welcome to the SJW society.
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For a bit I thought SJW stood for 'single jaded women'.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
It does, but that's being honest and thus misogynistic. Hahaha
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scarletspider3 9y ago
A mom, a kid/s, mom's friends, and some dude/s that pays the child support.
PlanB_pedofile 9y ago
looking at facebook now, lots of half siblings. Brothers and sisters with multiple dads. You'll have the biological father and you'll have the "married father". Weekends and holidays will be taking turns with bio dad's family, mom's family, married dad's family.
Men seeking marriage may become the "house husband" by wifing up the career woman who's drawing child support/alimony from more than one man. Giving her 2+ incomes compared to your one.
Men who fall into the parent trap, you may end up paying rent on your kid with child support where a quarter or more of your income goes to the mother. This leaves you with either 1 child or 2 children max. Unless you are a total absent father with multiple kids. You're pretty much labeled sperm donor. If you want to have kids, might as well be a sperm donor. If you do happen to secure commitment, and are able to keep the nuclear family home and lifestyle, you're probably in the top 30%. That means constant shit tests and dread game to keep the wife from swinging branches.
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Opting out completely becomes the option. I mean; it's bad enough as it is, there's really no point when it's going to get worse.
tomnehek 9y ago
I'm not a religious man, but I thanked God when I found out my child was going to be a boy. I didn't name him Chad, but at least our last name is already Thundercock.
Point is, raising a girl in today's society has got to be one of the most challenging things I can think of.
Mouthpiece 9y ago
So you took your wife's last name then?
ferengiprophet 9y ago
Raising girls in today's environment is not worth it. Despite of all the time, resources, and effort you spend on her, chances are she'll grow up to become an empowered
cum dumpsterpromiscuous girl like a lot of women out there.PlanB_pedofile 9y ago
This is probably why fathers invented arranged marriages to curtail such a thing.
dandar4600 9y ago
As a father to an 8 year old girl that is a worry I have. Her favorite artist is already Meghan Trainor, that overweight bitch singing about riding carousel and her future husband.
I have a boy on the way as well. He will be brought up with the red pill knowledge and I'll explain to my daughter the thought process of 20 young men, but you know how it is with kids listening to their parents.
ferengiprophet 9y ago
When I was in middle school around 2003, some girls were already having sex, so if anything, it's probably happening a little bit sooner nowadays. You can keep telling her the dangers of the CC but there are billion dollar music and film industries telling her how much fun "everyone" is having. Raising a kid to hold off on all that is like pushing them to become a weirdo-- the person who stands in the corner while everyone else is having a great time.
I hope I'm wrong and that there is a way to raise well-adjusted children
NecroticFury 9y ago
raise her with standards, eventually she will place them on herself. Less problems would exist if more women were introspective.
APookIsAPook 9y ago
Good luck stopping her from becoming a plate for Chad when all her friends are telling her how sexually empowered she is.
BlackHeart89 9y ago
Not that easy. In this world, she'll either have to settle for a beta or get played by an alpha.
Well... there are some BP alphas out there. Hopefully my daughter (if I have one) will end up with one of those guys.
thiasus 9y ago
That's the challenging part. You can raise her with standards, but you'd be fighting against the immense mass of bad influence that modern culture consitutes. Media, the internet, her friends, possibly even her relatives will provide her with plenty of negative models, pressures and incentives towards being a slut.
NecroticFury 9y ago
its not hard at all if you start early. Lets place the blame where it belongs, with the parents. Kids are the utter result of their environment.
PlanB_pedofile 9y ago
I have a daughter. I know my challenge ahead. I think I'm going with the redpill truth amount. Give her the sex talk, tell her that men won't commit if she puts out too easy. Sleep with too many men and no one will want to marry her or consider her for marriage. Let her be aware that just because she's a girl, there will be betas, orbiters, and thirsty men.
Or hope and pray that she inherits her mother's celibacy and holds onto her virginity till she's 23.
52576078 9y ago
I really worry about my nieces growing up in this society. The boys will be ok with some RP guidance, but the girls I'm not so sure about. Would love to see some good parenting advice here.
PlanB_pedofile 9y ago
It's a tough world out there. Soon preteens will be going on Tinder.
IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 9y ago
Been in LA for the past 2 years but before that lived in NYC for 12 (downtowner, in Tribeca), 39 years old now and absolutely couldn't agree more re: the "dating" scene in NYC. Tinder wasn't quite out yet when I was there, it was all Match and OKC but regardless, you had like 6 single women to every 1 single guy (or 10 to 1, some kind of outrageous ratio like that), as a result I was doing EXTREMELY well in the hooking up department, but when it came to any kind of real, honest, meaningful relationship, forget it. Hell, when it even came to DATING (like, just going on a single "date”—taking a woman out to dinner, or an art opening, or a play or whatever), forget it, they just don't want it. There is no wall in NYC: women ride the carousel from the moment they arrive until about 44, and then one morning they wake up, get two cats and call it quits. That's it--there is no “seeking a beta” phase, it's just alpha fucks all the way and then a hard slam into the wall right at the end.
And you know, the funniest thing is: myself and most of the guys I knew, we were actually LOOKING for relationships. Or at least open to the idea. Running around is fine in your 20s and early 30s, but once you get to the mid-30s it's like, "OK, I'd really like to see someone for longer than 2 weeks here, just to know what it's like, so let's see if I can find a great gal and girlfriend her up, let’s just try for something longer term and see how it goes..." And then the craziest thing, you'd think the girls would WANT this (since, you know, they all say they're not looking for casual sex with random strangers, that they really do want a real relationship with somebody great), but when you offer that to them, or even suggest it, they're gone--it's an instant ghosting. And we're not talking about a desperate “BE MY GIRLFRIEND!!" here, we're talking about, "Hey, let’s grab a bite sometime…” And the younger the girl, the more horrified they'll be at the mere suggestion of anything that even resembles a date. Text her at 1:30am and have her come over for a quickie (then boot her out 20 min later) and she's totally fine with that; suggest that you go out some place and, you know, TALK to each other for a bit, and good God, you might as well have suggested the two of you run a barefoot marathon through a field of broken glass...
And it's not even an SMV thing either--I was rockin' and rollin' back in NYC, kicking ass in my career, best shape of my life etc but it just didn't matter, the girls, despite all their protests to the contrary, just didn't want to be locked down, and "dating" (in the traditional sense), as far as they saw it, was just a step in that direction. Casual sex, fine, but don't you dare suggest that you two go somewhere and do something fun together, because that might mean you LIKE her, which clearly means you're a beta, which means she shouldn't be having sex with you, which means you're out. Wasn't just me, every guy I knew in NYC had the exact same experience--and some of these guys were EXTREMELY high SMV, like top of the pyramid, and still, nothing. Couldn’t hold a girl for more than a few hookups, maybe 2 or 3 weeks tops (if that). Women just didn't want to date--they wanted to have their little harem of bad boys, 4 to 6 Chads at any given time, swap out 1 or 2 every few weeks, repeat for 25 years, hit the wall and retire alone.
To be fair I had an AMAZING time with the women in NYC (and I tell every guy I know that, if he's never lived there, now's the time to go, the ratio is just getting better and better for men)—don't mean for this to come off as any kind of rant at all, as I really did have a great time back there. I think in the end what really pisses me off about articles like these, however, is the GROSS misrepresentation of women: they interview a few Chads, who giggle at how easy all the girls in NYC are, and then they interview a few oh-so-innocent young women (professional careers girls!! We're so awesome, we're gonna take the world by storm!!), who endlessly lament, "Oh gosh golly gee whiz, I'd love to go out on DATES, fall in love, and have a real relationship with a great guy, but all the guys want is sex sex sex, sooo..." Um, no--all the girls want is sex sex sex (the notch count for NYC women is now a badge of honor, they are competing with each other to see who can hook up with the most guys simultaneously, seriously, they're far worse than the men now), and on those few occasions when the guy actually LIKES the girl and tries to get her out on a proper date, even suggesting it, he's ghosted instantly. Saw this time and time again… (This is the hilarious Catch 22, actually—girls, I believe, actually DO want to go on dates, but the thing is they only want to go on dates with Chad, and if you’re on a date with Chad, then you’re not actually with “Chad” at all, because Chad, by definition of being Chad, does not go on dates… It’s rather like one of those Zen koans, if you think about it…)
So yeah, the new thinking is: only betas go on dates, alphas just hit it and quit it (and kick you out 5 min later), and we all know which of those two the ladies prefer. Girlfriends (in NYC anyway) are a thing of the past: it's just random hookups from here on out. (And don't even get me started on LA...!!)
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
Well, this explains why NYC sucks so fucking much.
Interested what you think about LA currently. However bad LA is, after spending a month in NYC recently, I'll take LA 100% of the time.
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Fuckin brilliant summary right here.
YUP. Women are not monogamous. They just pretend they are.
This + your entire comment is incredibly thoughtful, I would like you to make some posts on here dude.
HS-Thompson 9y ago
I can vouch for this statement as an extremely accurate description of NYC.
icanhazTRP 9y ago
Make it four. You should write about LA and compare it with your NY experience.
franklyforthright 9y ago
this does make sense in an evolutionary standpoint think about it the more competition the more hypergamous the women
epixs 9y ago
Awesome post man. If you ever get time, you should write about all the shit you learned living in NY. Can always learn from older men with experience.
vali1005 9y ago
Actually, I do want to hear what you have to say about L.A. :) (been an L.A. resident for 18 years now)
aptway 9y ago
Ditto. Moved to LA 3 1/2 years ago, so your experience is relevant to my interests.
my_sfw_alias 9y ago
Fucking nyc girls.. I mean what really motivates a woman to leave everything she has ever known for dreams of material wealth in nyc?
douglas_p 9y ago
They call NYC "The Graveyard For Ovaries" for a reason.
Letesse 9y ago
"6 single women to every 1 single guy"....why does NYC have this ratio?
FortunateBum 9y ago
Major cities are full of soft harems masquerading as businesses. Young guys find it harder to get work. It's easier to even get an apartment since more people want female roommates as compared to male roommates. And being a woman, you can just not pay for all sorts of things. Some girls can get free cars.
Ronin11A 9y ago
Huge city nightlife, major media exposure (Sex and the City), fashion/modeling capital. It just pulls women in from adjacent states.
Dildo_Saggins 9y ago
I would like to know this as well. Isn't it the opposite in LA though?
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Zachar1a 9y ago
Please tell us about LA!!! I am thinking of moving there.
CZ-75 9y ago
I live in LA. If you are a good looking guy and have your own place, you'll slay lots of women. If you don't have your own place, you'll have a much harder time.
collidoscope 9y ago
We meet again /u/IGoYouStayTwoAutumns. Great comment. Everyone's asking for an LA vs NYC dating scene assessment. You could probably take some of this content and some content from our LA vs NYC comment exchange, give it a spin and turn it into a TRP post.
IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 9y ago
Am actually working on a book right now that covers exactly this (dating / hooking up in NYC vs LA), will definitely post a free copy here in the Red Pill as soon as it's done (assuming the mods are cool with that). Meanwhile yes, have been meaning to get my first post up here, perhaps a little preview of the book re: NYC vs LA when it comes to differences in pick up strategy, game etc might be just the ticket, will see what I can do.
BlackHeart89 9y ago
I'm convinced women only want what they can't have. Keep it just close enough to think that its possible. But far enough so that they will never reach it.
IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 9y ago
Absolutely. Mystery talked about this in THE GAME, he called it "Cat String Theory". If the string is just lying there on the ground within easy reach, cat doesn't care. If the string is WAY up high, several feet out of reach, cat doesn't care. If the string is JUST out of reach, like 2 or 3 inches, cat goes crazy trying to catch the thing in its paws. So it is with women.
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unassumingusername7 9y ago
He's not committing the fallacy. He's pointing out paradoxical thinking.
ChiefReap 9y ago
I just search for novelty. I'd rather have a new 7 than an old 10 haha. I'm fucked up. Easy to dread though when you genuinely get bored.
dicklord_airplane 9y ago
remember that this is all about the dating scene in new england, where there are a shit load more single women than single men in the major cities and college campuses. for people in their 20's, there may be more than two single women for every single guy.
i'd like to see a piece about the dating scene in male-dominated areas, such as tech and heavy industry hubs like sillicon valley, Houston/Austin/Dallas, Las Vegas, or up in fracking country in Montana and the Dakotas. Or how about the dating scenes on STEM university campuses? I doubt that all those hopeless, nerdy, sexless single men would get 1/1000th of the sympathy that single women get. rather, those guys would be spun as evil misogynistic assholes who feel entitled to women if they complained about how the competition for the few single women is so difficult.
FLFTW16 9y ago
New York sounds like modern Sodom & Gomorrah. When everyone is zigging it's time to start zagging. When everyone is buying in it's the right time to sell out. Did you realize that they wrote that entire article without mentioning disease or pregnancy a single time? It's almost a fete. There are 20 million new cases of STD transmission every year in the US.
Liberated feminist-indoctrinated women are human cum-dumpsters engaged in a death cult. Disease, loneliness, depression, abortion, and life long regret and an inability to feel love and commitment is the prize for their ideological crime. I applaud all of our red pill warriors risking disease, false-rape accusations, and pregnancy entrapment to deal a death blow to feminism's hateful ideology, one vagina at a time.
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
NYC is probably the worst city in the world... it's seriously horrific. I just visited and decided to see what it was like for myself. The weather, the food, the atmosphere, and the people are all complete shit. Yet people will tell you it's the best city in the world... it's like a city that's a psych ward.
StevieG93 9y ago
This is such a good way of putting it, they are literally bringing death/complications to all factors of their life, and the part that always hurts me, that alway annoys me is that it doesn't have to be this way. I'm only 22 and I've conjured this type of analysis when I deal with girls my age, and it hurts man, but the part i really dont get is that its like they subconsciously know that what they're doing isn't optimal, its almost purely ego, the idea of "not being a good girl" or "sticking it to gender roles" or "why can men do it if we cant?" is like the cool thing to do, like this quote in the post
They know they're fucking up but I'd imagine, in my own opinion its the whole " We've come this far, (far in terms of regression and destruction, not necessarily social or gender progress), we can't turn back and admit we've fucked up or we lose our pedestals/face/bargaining chips"
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It is a death cult, almost satanic if you ask me. Solipsism is actually one tenant of satanism that is forbidden by it's practitioners yet used as tool for control.
007700 9y ago
Word. Literally satanism, as is said by a former satanist priest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6pOJpCmlAI
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Mark Passio speaks the Truth.
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FortunateBum 9y ago
Articles like this are worthless without pictures.
I suspect what's happening is some truly average women, maybe below average, have found out they can fuck guys who are basically 10s in every way every night of the week. After a few years of this, and maybe hundreds of perfect guys, they figure out that none of these amazing guys want anything more than sex, mostly because these chicks aren't hot. That simple.
If you're a hot chick, you can get a guy to commit. Not a problem. This has nothing to do with the modern age, tinder, dating, whatever. In the past, these women would've become childless teachers, maids, nuns, and governesses and never married.
vicious_armbar 9y ago
Yeah women totally don't decide if they're going to have sex with a man. Hey wait a minute...!!!!
skoobled 9y ago
Can you imagine the uproar if men were quoted saying "it's so unfair that women get to decide if they want to fuck me or not". Lollercoaster
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collidoscope 9y ago
Guess I'll have to get on that traveling model career. Thanks for the pro-tip!
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please share your diet tips my friend, congrats on the model gig btw.
snyderkurva 9y ago
I smell rape accusation!
ferengiprophet 9y ago
The hamster is building up steam. I hope that the guy recorded everything.
scamper_22 9y ago
"For young women the problem in navigating sexuality and relationships is still gender inequality, Young women complain that young men still have the power to decide when something is going to be serious and when something is not—they can go, ‘She’s girlfriend material, she’s hookup material.’ … There is still a pervasive double standard. "
Oh boy would I love to see this mindset elsewhere.
Only women get to decide to keep a baby or not. This is a clear double standard. A man should be able to have equal say in what a woman does with her body :P
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Jesus Christ these 25 year old guys in NYC are banging girls within 20 minutes of meeting them on Tinder. Crazy times indeed. Wow. That's why feminists are up in arms about it, the guys are getting all the free sex they want..
Guys who pay on dates are really suckers nowadays.
Yangel 9y ago
I've heard of cases where they'll use a guy for dinner, and bounce off to meet Chad via Tinder afterwards.
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Yeah the classic dinner date + alpha fuck literally showing BB/AF
wtfdizzy 9y ago
Ah, I see someone else surfs Hacker News!
I read this article last night when I got home from work. Had basically the same thoughts that OP shared with us. I do, however, want to bring forth a comment from the original HN thread:
Basically repeating what we all know: women willingly open their legs to an Alpha, and are willing to share him just for the opportunity.
(Emphasis mine)
Riddick_ 9y ago
Extract from the V article - remember this boyz: “Ew, this guy has Dad bod,” a young woman says of a potential match, swiping left.
through_a_ways 9y ago
Analyze this article, and you'll see "Women are Wonderful" throughout the entire thing.
The whole narrative is about how Tinder devalues women, and women are complaining how they aren't "treated like priorities".
There's absolutely zero mention of the hordes of beta/unattractive men out there. Women are always the victim.
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Because the men in the bottom 80% don't exist.
SexistFlyingPig 9y ago
women aren't "treated like priorities".
Bitch, you're a woman in your 20's on Tinder. Unless you're a 1 or a 2, somebody is going to want to talk to you. If you're a 5, you're getting hit on by 8's. If you're an 8+ just about everyone is willing to put you as a priority. So how do you sort 'em out? You don't actually have a good sense of taste in what makes a good man, so you base it on which guy won't talk to you, because that must mean you're below him!
bwa hah hah hah.
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Where's the cry for the men who get 1/10th the matches, likes, and follows? Tinder is brutal for 50% of men
[deleted] 9y ago
Actually it does quote a writer from Jezebel talking about "dudes who suck bothering you". Right in between all the women complaining about how rude and terrible in bed all the guys they're fucking are.
Redpillc0re 9y ago
They neglect to mention how all the "Women-first" anti-tinder apps launched (in which women get to initiate contact) have failed miserably. Not because men don't use them (men will follow wherever they see women going, like sheep), but because women don't want to use them. The psychosis and cognitive dissonance of modern feminist writing is enough to make your mind explode.
through_a_ways 9y ago
Reading xoJane is enough to convince any man that a huge portion of women are literally incapable of logical reasoning.
gekkozorz 9y ago
What ever happened to those apps anyway? I remember reading about how these "women-first" apps were going to "revolutionize online dating" and all that. Are they still a thing?
Edit: this answers my question: https://archive.is/bXGuw
Basically, even though it's an app specifically designed to give women the first move... women don't make the first move.
cocaine_face 9y ago
If you want to make a dating app/site, you need to understand the sexual marketplace well.
I started a site the other day, based on three important components of the SMP - women like attention, game can win a girl over, and hot/attractive people should have more contacts than ugly people.
We'll see if it gets traction.
IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 9y ago
Exactly: the article interviewed a few alphas and then a whole bunch of women. Looks like they skipped the part where they interview the betas and the guys are all like, "Yeah, I've been swiping right all day long here for a few weeks now, got like 3 matches so far, none have written back yet but I'm still hoping!!"
Granted in NYC the odds are heavily in your favor (as a man) but still, this article was almost a parody of itself. Like: "Meet Mr Awesome, only 25 years old, President of Big Cock Capital and Yacht Racer Extraordinaire... Women are dying to have sex with him right and left, but for some WEIRD reason, he just DOESN'T want to settle down!! So I interviewed him and asked him why..." I mean Jesus...
Rooi_Aap 9y ago
This is what makes Trainwreck such a fantasy film. There is a Chad(s) throwing commitment to Ms Below Average, and she is the "commitment phobe."
Iceman3514 9y ago
Oh it happens...The John Cena scene happened to me haha
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
But they got her settling for Dr. BB. That part they got right.
Rooi_Aap 9y ago
I was cringing with the pairing of her with John Cena. My LTR was/is into the WWE divas reality show and the scenes where they show his house (spotless) and how he maintains frame around his girlfriend. (She wanted to change stuff and he was like "No"). Alpha as fuck.
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redpilldude 9y ago
Absolutely. Guys in the top 20% are drowning in pussy, and all the other guys are starving.
Obviously the problem is that women only want to have sex with the best guys, which means that Chads all have harems and everyone else isn't getting anything.
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Better to live dry and not have weeping sores. I'll leave Chad to his cipro scrip.
turmoggy 9y ago
There's no middle of the pack guy. You have chad and then you have the rest. 90% percent of the woman want 10% of the chads. The rest have to fight for the scraps.
my_sfw_alias 9y ago
I'm here for the scraps. I've got my magnum condom, wad of hundreds and I'm ready to plow.
unassumingusername7 9y ago
Now I'm just waiting for the "RP Example: Frank Reynolds" post.
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makethemsayayy 9y ago
This is female nature truly unleashed. I don't get how we're literally the only people who know this.
ErasmusOrgasmus 9y ago
That's the entire purpose of the matrix (read: Blue Pill societal programming): it keeps the remaining 80% of men blissfully ignorant, believing the lies we all believed at one time. They are sat at home waiting for all the girls they've liked in the past to stop dating douchebags and jerks and realise what they really want is a Nice Guy like him.
They're the guys who've never heard of game, who don't lift because 'it's what's on the inside that really counts', who really believe that a woman's past doesn't matter and whose idea of a happy ending is not something you get in a Thai massage parlour, but a lifelong marriage and kids.
quelques_heures 9y ago
That's because if you acknowledge the biological imperative of human females you're a sexist MRA troll misogynist who wants to control womyn's sexuality, instead of, you know, a rational person capable of interpreting the actions and intentions of other people.
SwissPablo 9y ago
The bottom 80% of men don't need to know this; women don't even acknowledge they exist so they don't even need to say anything, and the top 20% are getting too much pussy to care. Meanwhile the bottom 80% are largely sat there thinking "but I'm nice and kind and not an asshole like what she says she wants. Why am I getting no attention?"
TRP is what's helping the guys in the upper reaches of the bottom 80% move on up, and if not join the top 20% then at least fake it.
And that's why TRP is so reviled. Well get used to it because more men every day are waking up.
netgrey 9y ago
Only women and the 20% know about this outside of trp.
cagethepepper 9y ago
And the women ain't telling nobody.
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Women and secrets are like a horse and carriage.
cocaine_face 9y ago
Because to men who don't act like we do, the idea that women could be fantastically easy to bed is a fantasy. You might as well be talking about Santa Claus. Even when men literally see it in action from me I've only seen them rationalize it as me "going after a particular type of girl" (utter bunk).
The idea is so strongly ingrained in society that women are perfectly innocent sex angels and everything bad they do is ultimately the fault of men.
teeelo 9y ago
This was huge for me swallowing the pill. It was an utter absurdity to even think that you could get sex on a regular basis out of a woman without pledging yourself to her and being in a 'relationship'
It was a secret that the chads and women kept to themselves.
cocaine_face 9y ago
I remember being absolutely shocked when my buddy, an early reader of PUA back somewhere between 2005 and 2008 (which I initially dismissed at nonsense, stupid me) told me that it was possible to sleep with a girl within 13 "spending time with her" hours.
13 hours?! Insanity, to pre-PUA me. I thought you had to be dating a month or two for a girl to even consider "opening herself up" enough to sleep with. Seriously, all of the dating advice in our culture is aimed at beta men going after 35 year old women with two kids, even though the average man wants a girl just over half that age.
Now I'd say I probably sleep with most women in less than that amount of spending time with them. Hell, I've slept with some girls in less than an hour.
It's such a fundamental shift in perspective that any man who has truly crossed over to the other side can't really go back.
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IT's fucking amazing, isn't it? You read this entire article and get the idea that they have no idea. The conclusion the article is trying to draw is that men aren't able to handle tinder because men aren't mature enough to go into relationships. They have no clue that they're only talking about the top 20% of men, they're just oblivious to it. If they got what they wanted, they still wouldn't get what they wanted. If those top 20% started dating any girl they fucked off tinder, they'd be taken out of the dating pool within a month, and the majority of the poor, put upon women, would be stuck with the bottom 80% of men they don't want, and just go back to complaining about how there are no good men left.
HappyHerpes 9y ago
I wonder about that. What would happen if the top 20% got out of the dating pool?
Me bet would be the women would readjust to the new market and to after the "new" top 20%.
APookIsAPook 9y ago
Men in the new 20% would begin acting similar to the old 20% once they suddenly have an abundance mentality.
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A market for lemons?
MagneticJohnson 9y ago
it's like being the baller in a little town. you're not really a baller, but comparatively you are. if are surrounded by losers, you'll be hot shit. women respond to the boss, even if you're just lording over a bunch of skinny dungeons and dragons type of incels.
Philhelm 9y ago
"Your faggot Gnome Bard takes 1,000 D12 damage, bitch! Now go make me sandwich."
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Dravous 9y ago
we can reason. but there's a fine line between reason and rationalization, and crossing it isn't that hard.
AFPJ 9y ago
Men allowed this to happen. Women never had (and still don't have) a say in society - many believe otherwise, because betas and Feminism, but that isn't the case. Women have always done their best to get the following:
What changed:
Men, in pursuit of utopia and advancement, have created terrible conditions for themselves.
Bronze_Bound 9y ago
Deers do this too, one alpha buck impregnates them all. Pretty sure a lot of animals do this.
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averageredditor123 9y ago
Why does everyone say top 20%? It's probably more like top 5%.
redpilldude 9y ago
Top 20% is based on the 80-20 rule.
RedPillProphet 9y ago
Which is a bit out of date I think. I have been doing online dating for 7 years or so and I have personally felt the bottom line go through the roof and I have SIGNIFICANTLY raised my SMV since then.
So either 80/20 was inaccurate back a few years or it is now. It is honestly closer to 90/10 now. And what that means that the guys in the 90-95th percentile are getting the BELOW average girls.
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
I highly doubt anyone on TRP is in the top 5% of males in the planet...
That would disqualify anyone without at least a $100 million net worth... Maybe like 1 or 2 TRPers might be legitimately there, but doubtful.
So you think no one on TRP is in the top level of men getting laid?
RedPillProphet 9y ago
Unless you're talking about Zimbabwe currency I think you're deeply misinformed about what the top 5% constitutes. In Canada a salary of 100k would put one in the top 5%... Google income distribution stats.
But money is highly irrelevant. Girls simply do not give a fuck about that when looking for alpha sex. They care about attraction which for them is mainly compromised of looks, confidence, style and social status. I do think the people getting laid on trp off of online dating are in the top 5% of looks. Real life is a bit more forgiving.
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
How could a salary of 100k put you in the top 5% of anything?... Are you allowed to cheat and localize it?... If so, then obviously there is no such thing as a top 5% of anything. The best way to be the top 5% is just to always go hang out with people that make less than you, then you are guaranteed in the top 1% at all times.
Otherwise, if it's a global, objective measure, then 100k a year is nowhere near the top 5% of incomes. 100k is what men in the top 5% spend in a single night at clubs just buying random bottles for shits and giggles. It's hard to believe Canada is that poor of a country that 100k salary means that much.
How do you plan on getting social status without being in the top 5% of wealth?...
If it's just looks, style, and confidence... doesn't make much sense. More than 5% of men dress decently, and have the confidence to talk to women. I have no idea how you would even begin to quantify style exactly though...I assume you just mean not dressing like complete shit.
So really you're saying it's more of a genetic lottery. If you're born prettier than 95% of males by chance, you get laid all the time...
That's the real red pill I guess?
RedPillProphet 9y ago
Like I said you're severely misinformed. Here is Canada's income distribution: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/famil105a-eng.htm
That right there shows 100k puts you in top 10% of all individuals. Factor in age: http://well-being.esdc.gc.ca/misme-iowb/.3ndic.1t.4r@-eng.jsp?iid=54
And anyone making over 100k below the age of 40 is easily in the top 5%. And Canada is one of the richest nations in the world. World wide that is likely top 1% already.
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
That makes no sense... that's like, starting salary for entry level software devs... I don't see how that can possibly be the maximum bracket.
I guess it's just the the 1% are seriously that distant from literally everyone else?
Earning $100,000 is so fucking measly compared to even a guy pulling in a $1,000,000/year... never mind all the people that actually pull in $10, $20, $30, or and $100+ million a year. I don't get how it can possibly set you up that well... it seems like the income distribution must be flawed or something. Or does Canada just take everything you make over $250,000?
RedPillProphet 9y ago
The world is a very poor place overall. Your focusing too much on the very top. You certainly don't need to be that high to get laid. And yes the difference between the very top 0.1% and everyone else is gigantic.
RedPillProphet 9y ago
The world is a very poor place overall. Your focusing too much on the very top. You certainly don't need to be that high to get laid. And yes the difference between the very top 0.1% and everyone else is gigantic.
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People always make this assumption. I'm definitely in the top 20%, probably higher, but the thing is, I'm only interested in 9-10s which are probably around 5% and the single ones are rare. I have very high standards and couldn't find anyone on tinder in my town of 80k that I wanted. I only tried for a week though...
okcupid was the same story. I got over 50 likes in a couple weeks and 3-5 messages a week but none of them were attractive to me. I only found a few I was interested in and they never responded. I don't think they were even real profiles.
Sure, I could be swimming in pussy (they throw themselves at me all the time) but I'm accustomed to fine ladies and can't get it up for anything under an 9. When I'm attracted I can fuck through three orgasms without missing a beat, lasting all night, so it's not low sex drive, just highly selective. Kinda sucks.
Everyone thinks it must be so easy for me to get women but I go without much more than my friends. Of course they're fucking girls I would never touch and the ones I get are out of their league. Quality over quantity I suppose.
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look_good 9y ago
I look at casual fucking as practice. There's no increase in SMV for being a "picky" dude with a low notch count, get your numbers up. Get your practice in
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Yeah, I know. It feels like a flaw. I should want to fuck at least half, not 5%...
Honestly, I'm afraid because in the past when I tried with girls I was only lukewarm about, I went soft and couldn't finish. I don't like that experience. It's damaging.
Of coarse, although I consider myself a natural alpha, I've always been a BP nice guy. Maybe I can find some other way to get off, like on the domination conquest level?
look_good 9y ago
Seeing that was shitty advice. What's your mentality when you fuck these girls? I learned from the Black Phillip Show, in order to fuck a bitch well, you need to fuck her like you hate her. Viscerally, girls want to be dominated. You have to go in knowing that you're the shit. Or act like it.
look_good 9y ago
Get out of your head. Stop making excuses and just fuck. Drink a couple beers. Make her cum. Have fun.
I fucked a plate for over two hours last night but because of this medication I'm on and I drank a little too much, I couldn't finish. She came 5-7 times. Practice is all it is. Great thing about sex is even practice is fun. Practice your movements, try new positions, step up your dirty talk.
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
How do you get yourself hard for ugly girls exactly?
look_good 9y ago
I'm not advocating fucking ugly girls, just more than 5% of girls
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
Well, what is the difference?
look_good 9y ago
Are you a troll?
If you're a legitimate newby, pretty much any naked girl will get you hard. Isolate, Kino, escalate. All girls are horny as fuck. They're conditioned to try to hide it.
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
I...really don't think so...if that were true, why not just stroll into a nursing home and start offering your cock to all the ladies there? I'm sure they'd all take you up on it. Personally, would not work for me, but if literally any female naked gets you rock hard...that has got to be the easiest pussy imaginable to score. I guess kudos on your ability?
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ferengiprophet 9y ago
lol they say that to beta males while getting pounded by chad.
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If you a girl and think tinder shifted the power of dating AWAY from you then you really have a feminist complex. I workout regularly, am 6'3 and above average in looks. Have no problem getting matches. But the short chubby do nothing girl I work with? Can land a hundred in a day if she wants. Women have more power then ever before. The difference is they don't want all of those matches, they want the few at the top.
If you're one of those guys tinder is great. Can literally get sex with a new girl on a weeks notice and no investment. If you want a relationship then it's also not a bad option. Can shop around much more than in the past. But if you want a relationship with a top guy? That's where the power dynamic gets turned.
Another example of women not realizing the majority of men exist
Sdom1 9y ago
One thing that just fucking amazes me - no matter how many times I see it - is people's ability to claim they want something, believe they want something, and then repeatedly do things to achieve the exact opposite result. The lack of self-awareness or insight is just mind boggling.
OK, so let's say I interview Tinderella A, and I ask her what she wants out of her dating life. The answer that I'd get most of the time, if she decides to drop her guard, would be that she would like to meet someone to have a fulfilling relationship with, get married, have kids, the whole nine. A laudable goal, to be sure.
And then, she's going to go on Tinder and swipe right for Chad Thundercock, who immediately tells her he's just interested in "hanging out" and "seeing if there's anything there." Then, she fucks him after a whole half an hour of conversation at a local bar or coffee house. And afterwards laments the "condition of the dating scene."
Funny stuff! So, I'm a little older, 35, and what I've noticed about the millennials is that they are absolutely TERRIFIED of making an actual connection with someone. At first, I mistook it for them being vapid, and while there's some of that, there have always been vapid people.
But this generation is the first to be raised with all of this technology. What it has done is extremely interesting. It has basically spread them thin. They have more connections to others than people in the past, but not as many deep ones.
Combine this with hypergamy and you're getting a small population of guys (good looking dark triads) pumping and dumping all of the women in NYC and these highly educated, supposedly intelligent people are at a complete loss as to how to stop it. It is unfuckingbelievable, and completely hilarious.
makethemsayayy 9y ago
I was just telling my shrink that when I hang out with people, they're on their phones the whole time. And the whole thing is supericial. It's weird how it's noticeable worse with the 18 year olds than it is with the 22 year olds. They are a lot worse and it's interesting. But I agree, they don't want to become deep, even if you're alone with them. It's two people looking at their phones and the other person is your background so to speak.
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Yep the water dam is about to explode from all the cracks caused by RP men.
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I honestly think things like Facebook and snap stories are going to have major consequences for this generation. I can easily open my phone and see hundreds of festivals, concerts, adventures etc while in my normal routine. It paints a picture of life being more exotic than it is. When you combine the top experiences of so many people and play them like reality it creates a warped view of the world. Also think personal development has been pushed back from college to adulthood and maybe even after. College is now an extension of high school but with more parties. And more people are going back home after school. The experiences a generation once learned at ages 19 and 20 is now hitting 24-25 year olds
rockmasterflex 9y ago
Never consider any chick who lives in a metropolitan area a good choice to commit to.
Its just bad news.
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52576078 9y ago
Or by being a woman yourself. Thank you /u/girlwriteswhat !
Lord_Varys 9y ago
Ding fucking Ding.
Women's problems can never be women's fault to them. They refuse to accept responsibility.
When the majority - or even a significant group - of women make sex so readily accessible, it directly hurts women who are trying to find commitment. This cow who wants to be bought is doomed because a few others are giving milk away for free. Then that cow grows old and is slaughtered without any husband or children, and the feminists write "how could this happen to this beautiful cow?", even as they hand out birth control and Cosmo subscriptions with their other hand.
It is irony and tragedy, sad for humanity.
Sdom1 9y ago
Man, I just got some yesterday. Here's the thing - there's a difference between constructive criticism, and lashing out. If you do it with anger, then the woman wonders why you're so angry about it - getting laid with no strings attatched is what a man wants, right?
Then they make the leap that you're angry because you feel sexually shut out. Sometimes, they're right.
If you're going to criticize women, you have to remain dispassionate about it, and be prepared to state simply and logically how fucking randoms on Tinder isn't going to get them what they want.
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And by maintaining frame. If you want a real life example look at trump. He says some wacky bullshit, gets in a heap of bad press, doesn't back down, and poll numbers skyrocket because of it
Absolutely hilairous
BlackHeart89 9y ago
We would have to go back into slut-shaming to stop it. But honestly... I'm a bit conflicted. Do I want to stop it? Bitches everywhere for the taking now.
On one side, I want to help better the world. On the other said, I want to just enjoy life as much as possible. Whatever. Slut-shaming is the answer.
Sdom1 9y ago
I've got no dog in this fight. I'm out of the game for the foreseeable future. So, from something of an unbiased standpoint, I think it definitely should stop, or at least moderate quite a bit.
As our tech has advanced, our society has become much more stable in some ways, (no famine, for example) but in others has become much more unstable. A lot of that instability can be directly attributed to the disintegration of the family unit, which itself can be attributed to the growth of socialism. Socialists always undermine the family unit wherever they can as it prevents them from having the control they desire.
So, from a stability standpoint, we need to stuff this genie back in the bottle and create an environment where strong, stable families thrive.
IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 9y ago
Couldn't agree more, just posted a comment here that echoes exactly this.
Buddha says: if you want to find water, dig one well that's 6-feet deep, not six wells that are 1-foot each. In NYC, you've got all these women wandering all over the desert, all of them digging a thousand different 1-inch wells, and then wondering why they're dying of thirst...
Funny, and sad--and it's only gonna get worse from here on out.
rp_valiant 9y ago
give them some credit - they're digging 6 - 9 inch wells.
ThrowingMyslfOutther 9y ago
fakebuddhaquotes.com/if-you-want-to-draw-water-you-do-not-dig-six-one-foot-wells-you-dig-one-six-foot-well/
To teach my brothers.
IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 9y ago
That's awesome--I'd actually heard the quote years ago and never thought to check its source (didn't know Reza Aslan had used it recently, and in an AMA no less) but yeah, kind of makes sense, that this would come from a desert culture, now that I think about it...
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collidoscope 9y ago
That would be considered a "date". It's more like "come over. watch a movie n smoke. u down?"
Danedina 9y ago
This NEVER happens to me and I'm completely fucking jealous. I mean, Free Weed?????!?!!?!!!
[deleted] 9y ago
Yep I know man I feel your pain. NYC is a fucking GOLDMINE of pussy.
Liberals pot smoking pussy ready to bang.
DaphneDK 9y ago
There's also surpused to be a surplus of women in NYC. Wonder if this also has an influence.
Lt_Muffintoes 9y ago
I hear you. I'm only 25, but I know there's something missing. Every time I try and talk deep with someone, I'm met with resistance and deflection.
Met one of my new plates on Tinder, she wanted to fuck on the first date, went nuts when I cancelled a dinner with her, standard FWB.
Yet she's tried being sly "I wouldn't want to fuck someone who was fucking around on the side". Internally, I'm bursting with laughter, of course, but she's obviously terrified of just asking me whether she's the only one. I reckon that means a drop, because I don't want to deal with that dishonesty.
Sdom1 9y ago
When a girl says that, you now know 100% that she is fucking other people. She might as well tattoo it on her forehead.
Lt_Muffintoes 9y ago
Ehh, I don't get the feeling she is by her behaviour. She does shit like insisting on cleaning and paying for all the food, buys me drinks etc
Not that it matters, since she'll be dropped once she gets back from holiday, because
1] I am fucking around on the side and she "doesn't want that"
1a] The other plate is hotter
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2] The lack of directness
BrunoOh 9y ago
Projection. She's obviously fucking around.
NineInchPitchfork 9y ago
This is a very articulate description of what I perceive as well. I am even a little older than you and it is a very strange scene to witness. They are all so busy with posting, commenting, liking, etc and then seeing what all their "friends" are up to that there is no time for a relationship with depth. It has become more about how you present your life than actually living it - perception has surpassed reality. I find it amusing but I probably should feel a bit frightened as this can't be a healthy development in evolutionary terms.
MagneticJohnson 9y ago
Before I give commitment, I tell her, there will be very little social media. it's pure poison for relationships. if she's going to spend all day on instagram, I'm going to be fucking around. simple as that.
VodkaTankerSpill 9y ago
I blame facebook as the kick start form this. I remember the first wave when it swept college campuses, it was all people did instead of actual social activities.
BlackHeart89 9y ago
Excellent way of putting it!
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Fuckin brilliant writing and thinking here mate.
I've been trying to figure out how to succinctly summarize the scenario (generation-wide lack of LTRs/deep relationships among medium and high SMV people), but you just did it already.
RedPillDad 9y ago
Yes, it's not so much that millennials are terrified of making connections, they're like overstimulated children who can't pay attention to any one thing for long.
Caught up in a whirlwind of superficial text connections, a woman's need for constant stimulation is on overdrive. LTR's become unsustainable because she feels trapped by having only one source of arousal, one dick to ride, one story to share.
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Hit the nail on the head. And see, it's not just people who are addicted to social media. Nobody is living life anymore. Your average girl fills up her time with Netflix binges. Your average guy fills his time with video games and porn. I know because I used to be this guy. My life was wake up late in the afternoon, shower (at least I did that, huh?), eat some junk, hop onto league of legends for 8-12 hours, fap, fall asleep. It's disturbing how much of my life I wasted, thinking that somehow that existence could be better than real life.
Getting out there and actually living is infinitely better than living life from behind a screen. I do spend a good amount of time with the Internet and I do spend a good amount of time on TRP, but I also have to admit that nothing I read on TRP is as satisfying as getting out there and living it.
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To live and actually enjoy it, one must be somewhat good at life. There are some of us that belong behind the screen. When no one wants you around, you learn quickly.
Upvote for real talk; but I can't agree with you. Personal achievability is paramount if you're talking about wasted life. If your potential is shit; you're better off not bothering the functionals with your presence.
RedPillProphet 9y ago
Pretty much no one's potential is shit. Life can be lived as any time and fully enjoyed. Enjoy your very existence and enjoy the exact moment doing constructive healthy shit instead of spend it satisfying the most extreme urges.
trpftw 9y ago
Part of the issue for men is that many guys just don't actually like going to places and doing things. They're only interested in meeting new people, making friends, and getting girls and then doing stuff with those they know.
If they're stuck behind a screen it's probably because they don't know how to get out there and socialize with people they DO NOT know.
Otherwise, I'm sure a lot of guys don't mind it if a friend invited them out to do things together, even picking up girls. The issue is not everyone has such a friend. They would never do this alone.
e.g. How many of you here go out to a bar or club or lounge alone? Perhaps to pick up chicks? Many of you might do it. But in the rest of society most guys don't. Most women don't even go out except with friends that's why they're always in groups.
Perhaps many people, including hot girls, are just destined for netflix and computers.
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I don't believe in destiny. It comes down to ignorance versus knowledge. When I swallowed the red pill, I immediately cut the shit out of my life. Bad habits, bad influences, bad lifestyle. You name it, it changed. Because I gained the knowledge of knowing that my life and potential was being wasted.
In this case, many people indeed are "destined" for mediocrity, because they either 1) never gain this knowledge or 2) choose to ignore it due to either laziness or fear. It's easier to stay plugged in. It's safe and familiar and comfortable (at surface level). So to say that certain people are destined for mediocrity is doing humans a huge disservice. If someone as hopeless as myself can wake up and begin to work towards my potential, I believe that damn near anyone can. The choice itself - to choose to abandon these false comforts - is the hardest part of it all.
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What? Why do you think your life was wasted? That's how my life is right now and I certainly don't feel like it's been wasted. I wake up, go to work, come home, fix dinner ahead of time and then I head to my ps4 until its dinner time.
Then I watch a movie until its time to go to bed. During the weekends I spend all day playing league of legends. When I'm holidays I don't even leave the house. I buy my groceries online. I remember one time I spent 3 months as a teenager without ever leaving the house once.
It was wonderful. I just got an invitation from a friend to go to a party and meet some girls. I told him I have something important to do. Which is to say, I have mario kart 8 tournaments to attend to ;).
And yes, I do watch a lot of porn. Gotta do it, bro. I am an incel male. due to my defective height and lack of godlike looks or body to make up for it, I can't get laid at all with anyone.
Overall I have a pretty good life. Think about it. My father married my mother who was a Miss in her youth, but he worked hard his entire life and dealt with a lot of problems caused by her. At my age my dad was pulling out double shifts and extra hours everyday, because pussy is expensive, and top notch pussy is the most expensive of them all.
Me? I just had a good fap, don't have bills to pay other than the necessary ones and no one bothers me. And now I'm going back to league of legends. Who won? I did. Is pussy great? I'm sure it is. But my life is greater.
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It isn't about getting women for me. I fall a lot closer to MGTOW than I do towards PUA. From time to time, a woman is nice, but it isn't why I'm doing what I do.
I stay away from video games because of my past with them. Heavy addiction. I used them to escape the bullshit in my life rather than confronting it head on. Once I stopped doing that and started fixing my problems, I realized that I didn't even like video games. I started losing weight, getting out of my room, and realized that I enjoyed being outdoors, hiking, camping, fishing, and all of that stuff.
It isn't that I have something against games, it's that, for me specifically, they were wasting my potential. I used them to escape my problems rather than confront them and I had a very unbalanced life when I still gamed.
I also genuinely never saw any benefits come from the time I spent gaming. You could make arguments for reflexes or learning some history I suppose, but I believe sports or a manual skill and reading are much better for improving these things.
It's all about living a life that you enjoy. If you've found that in gaming, porn, and staying in your room, then I applaud you. Finding out who you are and living a life that you can be happy with is the most satisfying thing in this world.
metalhead4 9y ago
Life is better when you have some pussy. At least that's how my brain works. I'm happier and willing to do more things if I have a chick around to do stuff with. I work, I lift, I see friends, I do hobbies, but when I have women it makes me feel a lot better on a subconscious level.
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That's because you are young. I know guys who are in their late 30s and they can't be bothered to talk to women even if they have the looks or the money to attract women. They'd rather sleep or playy video games.
And that's part of the female indoctrination that is done on men since we are young. We're taught to seek female approval, and sex is the way to get female approval when you are past your childhood.
Hoodtrackathlete 9y ago
Reading this piece of shit article depressed the fuck out of me. What the fuck has humanity done to end up in such a sorry state? Men are responsible for this bullshit?? Oh do tell. I hate bitches, and I mean that. You have to turn yourself into a god among men to get above average pussy and women get to skate by as is because they were gifted with tits, ass and a pussy. God help us.
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
I truly don't see how you wouldn't make the decision to be a woman in this society if you had the choice. Like imagine if you were looking down from some other dimension before being born and you could choose being born female, or male in this society... how would you possibly not pick female rationally?
If getting a sex change can be considered as having a choice, I almost don't see how the most profitable thing you can do is to get a sex change in order to reap the massive benefits for free in society. I guess the only problem is you need to be able to pass super effectively... but supposing you are a candidate that would be able to, isn't that the most rational thing to do?
It's crazy to think about, but...it seems like in today's society that is the most rational thing to do.
Tqbfjotlds 9y ago
I guess humanity decided to follow the female impeitive, which by its very nature destroys everything.
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epixs 9y ago
Don't get depressed brah, be happy knowing that if you are in the top 10-20% it gets better and better. I'm sure since you're here, you are working towards that goal.
mechdemon 9y ago
we can't ALL be top 10-20%, even if that 10-20% is subjective depending on the observer.
metalhead4 9y ago
I'll never be rich with money. I'll never have a supercar. I'll never be top 20% I'll never be a model. But what I will be is a confident average dude with an above average body.
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
That will put you in the top 50% maybe...
Top 20% = have to have a minimum net worth of probably $10 million (at the very lowest), and look like a second-hand Brad Pitt.
I'm guessing no one on TRP is even in the top 20%, heh.
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Tinder is far from the dawn of the dating apocalypse. The dawn was the second wave of feminism. Tinder is merely the crescendo.
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garlicextract 9y ago
lmaooooo at the fools who went full beta... I mean dadbod, after the article came out
buddboy 9y ago
I love this quote
As if it's such a big mystery. Power? Lol the only power we have is the power to not care. It's hilarious that girls can honestly not wrap their heads around the concept of not caring.
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buddboy 9y ago
You said it man, I just can't get over how funny it is. I picture her sitting and "puzzling" over what magical power men have they women. They have the same power we do, there is no conspiracy here. Women just don't know what the hell they want
Jack_Sophmore 9y ago
Interesting read. It's an apt comparison that the dating market has become online commerce. Basically you can be the lower 80% and be like shop owners that can't compete and go out of business. Or you can be the top 20% and winner take all like you're fucking Amazon.com drowing in pussy.
Ronin11A 9y ago
Dating has always been an incredible representational model of free-market economics. Supply, demand, price elasticity... It's all there.
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Sometimes internal agony can be worse than anything else. Never underestimate the lengths that the coward will go through to avoid something some would deem simple. It's the asymmetry between misery and joy.
new-me123 9y ago
Just motivates me to shred more weight (final 10kg's ant wait) and get swole and slay tinder sluts
Blessing in disguise really, commitment is for jerks
Syriz_ 9y ago
Yeah I understand. Thankfully im here in the UK where its a common word and context is not misunderstood
nativeofspace 9y ago
I couldn't care less what any of these people think. It's genuinely a waste of my time and yours to listen to their thoughts or ideas. They could work their entire lives and not contribute an iota of value to society.
Riddick_ 9y ago
The top 20% is structured like this: 10% or less guys with real money, and 10% Chads that have IDAGF, abundance (2-5 hood hoes they can bang on command), and tight game. This includes bad-boys, dealers/convicts, fighters/athletes and bi-sexual guys. The rest 80% are average beta peasants that are stuck with nothing for life, eating left overs, doing all the work and paying the bills... forever in debt. Forever in chains, they don't even know it.
The 80%: These guys are labelled pathetic, undesirable, losers, invisible, get no respect. If they have an average job, beta, average bod, beta, any remains of emotion, beta. Drive a sensible Japanese/American sedan, beta. These underlings are guilty even for suggesting they exist. Beta sentenced for Life. My point - These guys are so invisible they are not even considered in this article.
Here is the thing. These so called women are actually fucking themselves out of the gene pool. And Chad won't make any progress either, because educated/empowered TinderSlutTM will abort them all. As their SMV falls and Notch Count increases - the only real option they have is to support themselves and con others to contribute: family, relatives, beta raped in divorce, the state, business, etc.. This is not sustainable by any means. But don't worry - China and India will be ready to come over and "help" out. This is end times, indeed.
[edit/update] in my own experience, this rumoured 20% is more like 10-5%.
Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
Put on some muscle, hell even have a six pack and tinder is easy. You can lie about everything else and most girls are dumb enough to believe it. If you want to change the decline of man then you would need an organization similar to the New Model Army in England. Its soldiers were extremely puritan and established a very rigid society. You would have to bring back moral laws. Which I doubt would happen.
sardinemanR 9y ago
I don't think most people on here want moral laws. Moral laws generally meant you got stoned to death for adultery, and whipped for fornication.
Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
If you want a moral society then you need those laws. I keep seeing people on here talk about the decline, that is the only way to keep people in line if you want to reverse it. Don't get me wrong I love partying and sex everywhere.
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Why the fuck would I want to end this pussy buffet?
Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
You don't and niether do I. But at the end of many of these theory posts they talk about the "decline" so I gave them my opinion of a solution. Just an idea.
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Bocaj6487 9y ago
Death for adultery would improve so many things, and i don't mean just any infidelity, i mean adultery. So a married man could fuck unmarried woman, but a man who fucks another man's wife and a wife that fucks a man who is not her husband would be punished. Subject to a strong burden of proof.
Tajikistan 9y ago
ok guys lets not be an echo chamber this is objectively stupid
Throwawayimpress123 9y ago
That is a profoundly stupid thing to say. You sound like isis.
HAMMURABl 9y ago
no offense, but civilization doesnt run on good feelz in the long run. punishments for adultery certainly would improve the condition of western civilization.
not saying you have to kill them, but it would still improve the condition.
not saying i give a fuck, because i am banging chicks while rome burns.
APookIsAPook 9y ago
Just move to the middle East. This is stupid theory talk. If you were to live in such a society, you wouldn't be so idealistic.
Bocaj6487 9y ago
A few thousand years of history speaks to my point. It has nothing to do with Islam or anything else. It has everything to do with womens hypergamy going out of control due to a lack of restraints.
razorwan 9y ago
Why bother sticking your dick in Tinder though? I could just as easily buy a tub of lard and stick my dick in it instead for the same experience
franklyforthright 9y ago
I feel your sentiment. Either use your hand or a pussy to jack off in. Sadly those are our options now. Finding a women that actually gives a shit is a unicorn and does not exist. All women are selfish to the core. They are designed to be parasites, to secure the best genes nothing more.
OneTouchHowMuch 9y ago
let us know how that works out for you
razorwan 9y ago
Was pretty good but I ended up using your mother instead
fundude1 9y ago
Very good analysis.
The article is basically fraudulent because it looks at the top 5% of men on Tinder and acts like it is the norm.
Sure, the top alphas may be able to bang tons of women off of tinder (skeptical that the numbers are accurate though), however, the vast majority of men are losing out.
The article's only concern is the female. Forget society, marriage, the broader culture and especially beta men!
CuntyMcFagNuts69 9y ago
Your last take away is spot on. Make them earn your commitment. Would you rather win a million dollars or have your own business make you a million. I don't want things given to me and I also don't give my shit away. You want to be a part of my frame, show me why
SplashArtist 9y ago
Apex fallacy shown in the article. 'Men control if the relationship is just a hookup or serious dating'. I think it means the top 10% of men control that. The other 90% arent even noticed lol.
Upvote_To_The_Left 9y ago
is it just me or does that article have a very clear narrative of "guys only wana fuck and girls want commitment".
I cant relate to that at all.
mrpCamper 9y ago
They wanna fuck but they want it in the guise of a commitment. Girls of the previous generation would go on a date. If they were attracted to the guy and horny but didn't want a relationship, they'd fuck him. If they were into him for a long term thing, they wouldn't sleep with him on the first date. This is a generalization but mostly true.
SilentForTooLong 9y ago
What the hell were you supposed to do if you are the type of man that is only interested in being with someone LTR that will be sexual immediately?
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PeluzaHT 9y ago
I feel like this is quite true. Is amazing how much online dating has changed everything. Sex is now a commodity.
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aptway 9y ago
Agreed, 20% is really generous. The Pareto Principle, applied here, means that it's more likely 20% of the 20%. So if we're talking 100 guys, it's 20% of 20, so 4 guys out of the 100 have Harems, the guys in-between probably have a few here and there, and the bottom 80 get nothing.
exit_sandman 9y ago
Yeah, 20% doesn't really cut it.
Let's assume the following: a woman wants a man who...
Assuming there was no correlation whatsoever between these four items, this alone reduces the amount of eligible men to 1 in 16. And this doesn't even account for the following:
So yeah, that's why many guys are frustrated with the dating scene. Being good doesn't cut it.
razorwan 9y ago
Yep, sounds more accurate than saying one in five guys.
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I would guess it's probably closer to 10 than 20, but also closer to 10 than 5
fuckin_retard 9y ago
I've found myself in the "in-between" and its frustrating as fuck.
collidoscope 9y ago
I'm a screenwriter and my mentor explained it like this:
If you're a 10, you will work 100% of the time.
If you're a 9, you will work 20% of the time.
If you're an 8, you won't find work.
Sounds like a similar situation.
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Lonny_zone 9y ago
Like any industry, you will usually have to bite your tongue.
You will go though with whatever bullshit rewrite they want, but an alpha may have the upper hand in convincing the executives what way the script may go.
collidoscope 9y ago
Let me start off by saying after living in LA for 9 years, at the end of the month, I'm moving back to the east coast to pursue a career in wealth management.
There are very few screenwriters out here. Television writing is in much greater demand. Even so, in order to get produced, your script has to be perfect out of the gate. Up until seven years ago, if a network loved an idea, they would buy it with the intention of giving it a polish. Nowadays, they don't want to invest the money.
If you're going to get touchy about someone telling you what to do, entertainment is the last industry on earth you want to be working. As a writer, you're a hired gun and you need to be grateful for having work at all.
I think you can write from anywhere. The problem is, it takes a perfect storm in order to break in. You have to be willing to work on your craft for 9 solid years without a mentor, or if you can find a mentor, it will take closer to 5. It's a long term sacrifice with no money coming your way. So if you don't live in LA, then it's going to be an uphill battle in all directions.
Being a screenwriter/TV writer is a lot like being a professional athlete. Doesn't matter if you were the best writer in your high school or college. Remember that 1-10 rating analogy I gave you? My mentor said that if you're the top grad student at USC Film school (presumably the top film school) you will still be an 8. And the problem you're going to have is that because you've been an 8 (which is much better than everyone else) you're used to having your ass kissed all of the time. But you're still going to have to work 3 to 5 more years to become a 9 or 10. Think about where that leaves everyone else.
Let's say you aren't a 10, but you were lucky enough to work in TV for 15 years. But then the work dries up so you send out a couple spec scripts that your agent hates and no one else likes either. Your agent might stop returning your calls. And when that happens, no other agent will touch you because you're A "damaged goods" and B already repped. So what are your options? Get a job at Whole Foods, maybe? Do I want be faced with that possibility when I'm 45? Hell, no. I want my career to get easier as it goes along.
So that's why I'm getting out of LA. There are certain realities of the entertainment industry that I don't like so when I was presented with the opportunity to start a real career back east I jumped on it. I did get a movie made a few years ago and feel like my craft much better than it used to be, but I still need to develop for a few more years. I didn't actually "break in", but my mentor has been a working writer for a long time and he has helped me out a lot. That said, just by being here and relentlessly meeting assistants, execs, creatives, for the past 9 years, I'm leaving town with an address book full of contacts. I could get my script on any desk in town when I think I have something that's ready.
That was a very long and autobiographical reply to your comment. I hope you found some of it useful. Also, in order to be a TV writer, you must live in Los Angeles, and the dating scene here is bad enough to drive a man to madness.
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collidoscope 9y ago
The turning point for me was when I started to look at is as a job. I started to look at the long nights, the free rewrites, the politics, and the need to read/watch a constant stream of new stuff to stay current (most of which I don't care for... and no one's going to pay you to watch movies and read 10 hours a week). The juice was no longer worth the squeeze. In order to be a writer you have to believe it's the only thing you were put on this earth to do. When you look at it as a job, it just looks like insanity.
That said, if you're interested in learning the craft, I know a guy who teaches online classes and you will learn stuff no one else is teaching. They aren't "secrets", per se, but you will learn the craft because he will teach you a set a repeatable tools that you can use in real world situations. He can do this because he's a working writer. Most classes will teach you theory and give you feedback, but they just hand you a template and say "make it look like this". That's inauthentic. His classes teach you how to build stories organically using professional tools. I've taken six of his courses over the past year and a half. PM me if you want a link to his site.
slothsenpai 9y ago
Where would I rank in the percentile if I go through various phases of getting some on Tinder, going through dry spells or easily racking up #'s/dates from chicks but unleashing the inner beta?
i_forget_my_userids 9y ago
Doesn't matter. With that mentality, I'd be surprised if you're in the 20%.
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whenfoom 9y ago
The basis of the dating apocalypse: men are becoming more childlike. This is because dependency on the economy for problem solving is keeping men from maturing. Men don't figure out shit for themselves, they just google solutions then make purchases. Salaries are allowances. Women have always been children, so it's not their fault. Men are allowing themselves to be seduced by an economy that wants their dependency. Thus, men are remaining little boys.
Women can't fuck the leaders because there are no leaders. Now they have to resort to simpler selection criteria: looks. That's why it's getting easier for good looking dudes with an ounce of assertiveness to rake in the poon.
The real culprits in the dating apocalypse: a government that has become white knight beta bux, and general dependency on the economy.
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Tinder is proof that looks money status theory is legit...meanwhile you RSD morons think it's all about "game" lmao...GTFO here PUA weridos
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Bhiim 9y ago
Well, you know what they say. It always gets worse before it gets better. :)
Bhiim 9y ago
Oh, who am I kidding? This shit is never gonna change because it's always been this way.