I forgot to add in the title: all you need is time and patience! and the loss of your dignity, self respect, values, and any chance you could have had with another girl
I remember a girl that friendzoned me when I was 16, her parents really liked me. Her mom said “just give it time, she’ll come around to you. I know her. Just let it happen organically”. Luckily something in my gut was saying “this is bad advice, don’t listen to her mom” And luckily I didn’t cause I’d have ended up like this guy. I went on and asked out a hotter girl a year later and miss friendzone didn’t like that at all.
Well played Kim. Unlike many of the braindead females of our generation who only focus on keeping their vaginas occupied by the Chads, Tyrones, etc. Kim has foresight. She made sure to keep low self-esteem Enrique firmly in the friend-zone for SEVEN years, balancing a healthy sense of distance with the tantalization of the boy with the minute promise of eventually getting his prize, truly high-leveled mastery of the art. Kim also is a clutch performer. It's clear from Sophia's young age that Kim wasted no time after getting impregnated by Don Juan (Hispanic Chad) to cash in her asset that had been accruing interest in the friendzone & "promote" him to BetaBuck. Now, instead of getting no sex nor financial obligations beyond himself he has 2 draining financial obligations & obligatory missionary sex 3 times a month. He also gains the privilege of performing oral on her 10 times a month, leaving her holes well rested for the men she really wants to empty their stress &/or load, because despite her husband, the show must go on! He doesn't count. She got her unlimited # of hall passes the moment he gave his dignity away & stayed in the zone for 7 years & took care of another man's infant. The story doesn't end here, however, Notice she has a daughter! So when Sophia is old enough, Kim will surely teach her her wise ways so that she, too, may master the timeless game of AF/BB
The smarter girls keep the ones with "potential" as orbiters and LJBF as they ride the CC either hoping to lock down the billionaire musician CEO astronaut; or at the opposite end of the spectrum go around fucking Mongo the Bad Ass biker, the dope dealer or anyone that isn't marriage material but a whole lot of fun while stringing the perfect guy for marriage along till she has had her fun and it's time to settle down and have a marriage and kids.
Some men i think just want score with the oneitis that "got away" so badly that they will take up the most belated of rainchecks no matter how much their oneitis has depreciated in value since he caught his original feels for her original version of her
Some men i think just want score with the oneitis that "got away" so badly that they will take up the most belated of rainchecks no matter how much their oneitis has depreciated in value since he caught his original feels for her original version of her
I personally know of a guy that did exactly what you describe. He is mid 30's and was a boxer and now owns a boxing gym and trains fighters. You would think this is a Chad that slays but he had onetis on this girl since high school and he finally gets down her pants 20 years later and they move in together. Yep he finally gets his girl...when she is 20 years older, divorced and has two kids and now she gave birth to kid number three with him.
Now that's winning. He sure showed us all...
I say I know OF him because how I know this story is I am friends with her ex-husband. Good friend I have known for years and a super nice guy that has almost no vices, except he cant keep it in his pants. A habitual, serial cheater. I think that she didnt leave him so much as monkey branched over to the orbiter after hubby got caught cheating for the umpteenth time. I stll have to ask what kind of guy would wife up a divorcee single mother of two kids? Does he still see her as the same girl he knew in high school? That is some serious rose colored glasses he got on.
They don’t think of themselves as being “the one she settled for.” The narrative that allows him the endure this humiliation is that, “ He won in the end.”
That sounds so much better than “Finished in last place.”
As far as he’s concerned, her value has increased because now she’s “mature” and “done with games.” Raising her bastard doesn’t make him a chump, you see… it makes him a “Man who steps up.”
LMAO. & I have to revise the 3 times a month to 1, he is so deficient in testosterone & confidence that I believe that she can string him along with the guarantee of 5 minutes of pleasure per month
That gets talked about a lot in the manosphere, and I wonder what the real numbers are. Things tend to be exaggerated in echo chambers (and the manosphere tends to be pretty insular), so even though all-male spaces have a lower tolerance for speculation, we still have our myths.
One of those myths is AWALT, for example. Guys who are past the “red pill rage” stage know that AWALT isn’t literally true. Every woman has the means to be a wrecking ball, but many won’t be. A wise man assumes any individual woman will go rogue until she has been scrupulously vetted because All Women Are Capable Of Being Like That. The AWALT myth serves to protect guys who don’t yet know how to differentiate the few good women from the many bad ones.
Another myth is that any woman who’s not in an LTR is screwing like a bonobo in heat, and that most women have n-counts well into the double digits. That’s simply not true, but like John Wick, that idea simply refuses to die.
But we also have the idea that BetaBucks men - the men that women “settle for” when they get flung from the carousel - inevitably end up with dead bedrooms or rare, unenthusiastic duty sex, while their wives are having constant affairs with Chads and Tyrones.
There is no data on that, and trying to gather it would require that a lot of subjective terms be assigned concrete definitions. (What defines “beta”? We can’t agree amongst ourselves that there even is such a thing.). Plus, any survey would be subject to insurmountable reporting bias.
I think that narrative errs in underestimating women’s ability to lie to themselves (which is pretty ironic). A woman who “settles” for a BetaBucks husband doesn’t think she’s settling - she thinks she’s matured. If she admits to herself that she settled, then the narrative in her head falls apart: she would have foolishly wagered and LOST.
The phrase, “Make a virtue of necessity” applies here. She can tell herself that Poindexter was the right choice all along. Indeed, she has to tell herself that in order to avoid the inevitable alternative that she’s just a dumb slut who wasn’t good enough to get the man she wanted.
So since she views Poindexter as the one she wanted all along (she retcons her actions when she was on the CC), and “knows” that her earlier sluttery was a combination of looking for love and being “taken advantage of” by f-boys, her instinct for ego self-preservation might cause her to treat Poindexter pretty well (maybe for a while - maybe permanently, since some part of her may realize that he’s the best she’s going to get).
That gets talked about a lot in the manosphere, and I wonder what the real numbers are. Things tend to be exaggerated in echo chambers (and the manosphere tends to be pretty insular), so even though all-male spaces have a lower tolerance for speculation, we still have our myths
You see a lot of that binary thinking on the manosphere because men think more logically and with less feeling and with that, you see absolutes such as " she is a slut or she isnt," type of thinking (2+2 EQUALS FOUR MOTHERFUCKER) but humans are more nuanced and variables also needed to be factored in. One of the topics I find disheartening is the "What exactly IS that magic number that makes her a slut?" debates that keep popping up. Every man has an opinion and a magic number that if a woman goes past that number, then she is for the streets.
I find this post very interesting as I was reading up on a woman's ASD( anti-slut defense) and the mental games they tell themselves to justify in their own minds their actions. "I'm not a slut because I made him wait till the SECOND date!" or the famous "those didnt count" types of men and encounters, and her settling mentality is also very similar. I agree that a woman isnt going to point blank admit, especially to herself that she settled for Beta Bob and that she was a human fleshlight for Chads, or the wall is coming or has arrived and she needed to snag a man or die alone. I too have seen women lament that she has matured and is now out of that 20's bad boy party phase and it is time to join the world of adults. The reason Beta Bob is getting duty sex is because he does not turn her on in that way. She isnt thinking with that lever of calculation of "I settled for him, time for his once a month bang."
Although women generally delude themselves more than men, they, too, hadn't a threshold where, if it is passed, they become delusional to the point of insanity. At the end of the day, before a person is a man or woman, that person is human and is subject to the same rules as everyone else. The SMV difference between the two of them is so high that for her to adequately lie to herself about her situation she must be clinically delusional. Since she was able to not only string him along for 7 years, but also get him to marry her despite having a months old child, I highly doubt that she is a woman that entertains delusions too long, this is highly practical, deliberate behavior. With that being said, as I stated before, before a person is a man or woman, that person is human and is subject a subset of rules as everyone else. Why is this important? The concept of duty sex in the "manosphere" was created from a man putting himself in a woman's shoes in that situation. If I was married to a wealthy yet unattractive woman and my entire life's stability was dependent on her feeling loved do you know what I would do? Smashing her as many times as I deem necessary to keep it that way, not a session more. Yes, women are more delusional than men yet many are still rational humans, which is why, like men they survive. Efficient survivors, regardless of gender, realize that there are times in life when there is absolutely NO room for delusions, something that she clearly grasps
My concern with duty sex is that it disappears very quickly after marriage. Duty sex is what you get before the deal is sealed. What you typically get afterwards is NO sex.
Ask yourself this: why would a woman who has married a BB need to have pretend to have want to have sex with him, once the ink is dry on the marriage cert?
She doesn't need to pretend any more once the marriage is legal, which is why BB's experience a dramatic fall off in sexual frequency almost as soon as they get married.
What are you going to do, divorce her? That's exactly what she wants.
I did a quick check and it seems even if the marriage has been declared void, you still have to foot the bill (but only in case of husband's "misbehavior"). And knowing how biased these courts are, marriage seems like a bad option all-in-all.
The Court held that nullity or annulment of marriage does not preclude the lady from claiming maintenance under Section 125 of the Cr. P.C. In the event that the marriage is annulled or declared null and void due to the husband's misbehaviour or wrongdoing, he must pay maintenance under Section 125 of the Cr.
It isnt just the no sex after marriage. It's like it was an act the entire time you were courting her and the marriage was that magic finish line she crossed and NOW she let go an be who she truly is. She got the ring and the wedding, so no more dieting, eat anyway she wants, no sex and most of all she can act like the bitch she really is and her crazy can finally come off its leash.
Men hold all the power when women are chasing that commitment. It all disappears when she gets it. What are you gonna do, divorce her?
The divorce will probably come later. To me, she's shown she has some foresight. Thus, she should realize that her and her infant will need him around for at least several years and won't divorce him for a while. Right now, she needs a male in the house, paying all the bills. And from that picture, I believe that he has yet to reach his full earning potential so it's pointless to divorce now
The point of my comment is that a woman who admits to herself that she’s pretending would have to admit to herself that she screwed up. Her ego won’t like that one bit, so she’s likely to lie to herself by rejecting the “I settled” paradigm in favor of the “I matured” paradigm.
It’s one thing for a woman to lie to herself. It’s another thing when she knows she’s lying to herself.
Granted: part of her “maturation” might involve “becoming less sexual,” (leading to less enthusiastic and less frequent sex), but that’s a different dynamic that a purely transactional conscious mindset. A woman who has convinced herself that the nice, stable guy is the “Right Man” for her isn’t necessarily going to close the sex spigot the moment she has legal access to his stuff. Women like to think of themselves as good people just like we do.
"....even if it took seventy chads railing her for years before she was knocked up and kicked off the CC so that I could pick up the pieces and bail her out"
I read a story about a guy who lived in a state where the law was "After 10 years of marriage, the women gets lifetime alimony. Before that, it's only for a certain number of years." As you might imagine, he got served with divorce papers after 10 years and 1 month.
Seagram7 1y ago Stickied
I forgot to add in the title: all you need is time and patience! and the loss of your dignity, self respect, values, and any chance you could have had with another girl
Justanaverageguy 1y ago
I remember a girl that friendzoned me when I was 16, her parents really liked me. Her mom said “just give it time, she’ll come around to you. I know her. Just let it happen organically”. Luckily something in my gut was saying “this is bad advice, don’t listen to her mom” And luckily I didn’t cause I’d have ended up like this guy. I went on and asked out a hotter girl a year later and miss friendzone didn’t like that at all.
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
It's disgusting how society expects men to wait around for girls who are busy fucking someone else.
Men shouldn't be encouraged to be a safety net for women making terrible life choices.
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TRPDuryodhana 1y ago
Just pathetic
oowiw 1y ago
Look at this man, this is what real masculinity looks like, real strength, he is sovereign in his divine masculine. Incels take note.
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
He stepped up and got to raise the child of a woman he didn't even fuck.
Great guy
@redpillschool OP post is shining example of a real Chad doing things the correct way. Time to close up shop and shut down this heresy on here.
redpillschool Admin 1y ago
I now see the light. Thank you
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
No problem man, can't believe we had it wrong this whole time smdh
Redpillpusher 1y ago
Well played Kim. Unlike many of the braindead females of our generation who only focus on keeping their vaginas occupied by the Chads, Tyrones, etc. Kim has foresight. She made sure to keep low self-esteem Enrique firmly in the friend-zone for SEVEN years, balancing a healthy sense of distance with the tantalization of the boy with the minute promise of eventually getting his prize, truly high-leveled mastery of the art. Kim also is a clutch performer. It's clear from Sophia's young age that Kim wasted no time after getting impregnated by Don Juan (Hispanic Chad) to cash in her asset that had been accruing interest in the friendzone & "promote" him to BetaBuck. Now, instead of getting no sex nor financial obligations beyond himself he has 2 draining financial obligations & obligatory missionary sex 3 times a month. He also gains the privilege of performing oral on her 10 times a month, leaving her holes well rested for the men she really wants to empty their stress &/or load, because despite her husband, the show must go on! He doesn't count. She got her unlimited # of hall passes the moment he gave his dignity away & stayed in the zone for 7 years & took care of another man's infant. The story doesn't end here, however, Notice she has a daughter! So when Sophia is old enough, Kim will surely teach her her wise ways so that she, too, may master the timeless game of AF/BB
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Seagram7 1y ago
The smarter girls keep the ones with "potential" as orbiters and LJBF as they ride the CC either hoping to lock down the billionaire musician CEO astronaut; or at the opposite end of the spectrum go around fucking Mongo the Bad Ass biker, the dope dealer or anyone that isn't marriage material but a whole lot of fun while stringing the perfect guy for marriage along till she has had her fun and it's time to settle down and have a marriage and kids.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Some men i think just want score with the oneitis that "got away" so badly that they will take up the most belated of rainchecks no matter how much their oneitis has depreciated in value since he caught his original feels for her original version of her
Seagram7 1y ago
I personally know of a guy that did exactly what you describe. He is mid 30's and was a boxer and now owns a boxing gym and trains fighters. You would think this is a Chad that slays but he had onetis on this girl since high school and he finally gets down her pants 20 years later and they move in together. Yep he finally gets his girl...when she is 20 years older, divorced and has two kids and now she gave birth to kid number three with him.
Now that's winning. He sure showed us all...
I say I know OF him because how I know this story is I am friends with her ex-husband. Good friend I have known for years and a super nice guy that has almost no vices, except he cant keep it in his pants. A habitual, serial cheater. I think that she didnt leave him so much as monkey branched over to the orbiter after hubby got caught cheating for the umpteenth time. I stll have to ask what kind of guy would wife up a divorcee single mother of two kids? Does he still see her as the same girl he knew in high school? That is some serious rose colored glasses he got on.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Oneitis is definitely crazy dude
Redpillpusher 1y ago
Is it that that feeling is so strong that it overcomes the anger one should feel knowing that the woman has "settled" for him?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
For guys like in the OP, that speaks for itself, yes
lurkerhasarisen 1 1y ago
They don’t think of themselves as being “the one she settled for.” The narrative that allows him the endure this humiliation is that, “ He won in the end.”
That sounds so much better than “Finished in last place.”
As far as he’s concerned, her value has increased because now she’s “mature” and “done with games.” Raising her bastard doesn’t make him a chump, you see… it makes him a “Man who steps up.”
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Justanaverageguy 1y ago
Sadly I think she’s the absolute best he can possibly do.
Redpillpusher 1y ago
LMAO. & I have to revise the 3 times a month to 1, he is so deficient in testosterone & confidence that I believe that she can string him along with the guarantee of 5 minutes of pleasure per month
lurkerhasarisen 1 1y ago
Re: occasional duty sex
That gets talked about a lot in the manosphere, and I wonder what the real numbers are. Things tend to be exaggerated in echo chambers (and the manosphere tends to be pretty insular), so even though all-male spaces have a lower tolerance for speculation, we still have our myths.
One of those myths is AWALT, for example. Guys who are past the “red pill rage” stage know that AWALT isn’t literally true. Every woman has the means to be a wrecking ball, but many won’t be. A wise man assumes any individual woman will go rogue until she has been scrupulously vetted because All Women Are Capable Of Being Like That. The AWALT myth serves to protect guys who don’t yet know how to differentiate the few good women from the many bad ones.
Another myth is that any woman who’s not in an LTR is screwing like a bonobo in heat, and that most women have n-counts well into the double digits. That’s simply not true, but like John Wick, that idea simply refuses to die.
But we also have the idea that BetaBucks men - the men that women “settle for” when they get flung from the carousel - inevitably end up with dead bedrooms or rare, unenthusiastic duty sex, while their wives are having constant affairs with Chads and Tyrones.
There is no data on that, and trying to gather it would require that a lot of subjective terms be assigned concrete definitions. (What defines “beta”? We can’t agree amongst ourselves that there even is such a thing.). Plus, any survey would be subject to insurmountable reporting bias.
I think that narrative errs in underestimating women’s ability to lie to themselves (which is pretty ironic). A woman who “settles” for a BetaBucks husband doesn’t think she’s settling - she thinks she’s matured. If she admits to herself that she settled, then the narrative in her head falls apart: she would have foolishly wagered and LOST.
The phrase, “Make a virtue of necessity” applies here. She can tell herself that Poindexter was the right choice all along. Indeed, she has to tell herself that in order to avoid the inevitable alternative that she’s just a dumb slut who wasn’t good enough to get the man she wanted.
So since she views Poindexter as the one she wanted all along (she retcons her actions when she was on the CC), and “knows” that her earlier sluttery was a combination of looking for love and being “taken advantage of” by f-boys, her instinct for ego self-preservation might cause her to treat Poindexter pretty well (maybe for a while - maybe permanently, since some part of her may realize that he’s the best she’s going to get).
Seagram7 1y ago
You see a lot of that binary thinking on the manosphere because men think more logically and with less feeling and with that, you see absolutes such as " she is a slut or she isnt," type of thinking (2+2 EQUALS FOUR MOTHERFUCKER) but humans are more nuanced and variables also needed to be factored in. One of the topics I find disheartening is the "What exactly IS that magic number that makes her a slut?" debates that keep popping up. Every man has an opinion and a magic number that if a woman goes past that number, then she is for the streets.
I find this post very interesting as I was reading up on a woman's ASD( anti-slut defense) and the mental games they tell themselves to justify in their own minds their actions. "I'm not a slut because I made him wait till the SECOND date!" or the famous "those didnt count" types of men and encounters, and her settling mentality is also very similar. I agree that a woman isnt going to point blank admit, especially to herself that she settled for Beta Bob and that she was a human fleshlight for Chads, or the wall is coming or has arrived and she needed to snag a man or die alone. I too have seen women lament that she has matured and is now out of that 20's bad boy party phase and it is time to join the world of adults. The reason Beta Bob is getting duty sex is because he does not turn her on in that way. She isnt thinking with that lever of calculation of "I settled for him, time for his once a month bang."
Redpillpusher 1y ago
Although women generally delude themselves more than men, they, too, hadn't a threshold where, if it is passed, they become delusional to the point of insanity. At the end of the day, before a person is a man or woman, that person is human and is subject to the same rules as everyone else. The SMV difference between the two of them is so high that for her to adequately lie to herself about her situation she must be clinically delusional. Since she was able to not only string him along for 7 years, but also get him to marry her despite having a months old child, I highly doubt that she is a woman that entertains delusions too long, this is highly practical, deliberate behavior. With that being said, as I stated before, before a person is a man or woman, that person is human and is subject a subset of rules as everyone else. Why is this important? The concept of duty sex in the "manosphere" was created from a man putting himself in a woman's shoes in that situation. If I was married to a wealthy yet unattractive woman and my entire life's stability was dependent on her feeling loved do you know what I would do? Smashing her as many times as I deem necessary to keep it that way, not a session more. Yes, women are more delusional than men yet many are still rational humans, which is why, like men they survive. Efficient survivors, regardless of gender, realize that there are times in life when there is absolutely NO room for delusions, something that she clearly grasps
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
That's pretty deep, bro.
Redpillpusher 1y ago
Thanks, I know people
Lone_Ranger 3 1y ago
My concern with duty sex is that it disappears very quickly after marriage. Duty sex is what you get before the deal is sealed. What you typically get afterwards is NO sex.
Ask yourself this: why would a woman who has married a BB need to have pretend to have want to have sex with him, once the ink is dry on the marriage cert?
She doesn't need to pretend any more once the marriage is legal, which is why BB's experience a dramatic fall off in sexual frequency almost as soon as they get married.
What are you going to do, divorce her? That's exactly what she wants.
TRPDuryodhana 1y ago
In India, husbands can get such marriages annulled after a while. Thankfully, we still have some sanity here.
https://www.indiatoday.in/law/story/denial-of-sex-by-spouse-can-be-considered-as-mental-cruelty-delhi-high-court-2456301-2023-10-31
Lone_Ranger 3 1y ago
do you have to give her the kids, house, cars and 260% of your net present value?
TRPDuryodhana 1y ago
I did a quick check and it seems even if the marriage has been declared void, you still have to foot the bill (but only in case of husband's "misbehavior"). And knowing how biased these courts are, marriage seems like a bad option all-in-all.
https://bnblegal.com/article/maintenance-rights-of-a-wife-in-an-annulled-marriage/
Seagram7 1y ago
It isnt just the no sex after marriage. It's like it was an act the entire time you were courting her and the marriage was that magic finish line she crossed and NOW she let go an be who she truly is. She got the ring and the wedding, so no more dieting, eat anyway she wants, no sex and most of all she can act like the bitch she really is and her crazy can finally come off its leash.
Men hold all the power when women are chasing that commitment. It all disappears when she gets it. What are you gonna do, divorce her?
Lone_Ranger 3 1y ago
Imma going to give her the kids, the house, the cars and a 20 year income stream to teach her a lesson!!! That'll learn her!
Redpillpusher 1y ago
The divorce will probably come later. To me, she's shown she has some foresight. Thus, she should realize that her and her infant will need him around for at least several years and won't divorce him for a while. Right now, she needs a male in the house, paying all the bills. And from that picture, I believe that he has yet to reach his full earning potential so it's pointless to divorce now
lurkerhasarisen 1 1y ago
The point of my comment is that a woman who admits to herself that she’s pretending would have to admit to herself that she screwed up. Her ego won’t like that one bit, so she’s likely to lie to herself by rejecting the “I settled” paradigm in favor of the “I matured” paradigm.
It’s one thing for a woman to lie to herself. It’s another thing when she knows she’s lying to herself.
Granted: part of her “maturation” might involve “becoming less sexual,” (leading to less enthusiastic and less frequent sex), but that’s a different dynamic that a purely transactional conscious mindset. A woman who has convinced herself that the nice, stable guy is the “Right Man” for her isn’t necessarily going to close the sex spigot the moment she has legal access to his stuff. Women like to think of themselves as good people just like we do.
ObliviousDuck 1y ago
It's taking all my strenght not to break forums rules right now. Sometimes I wish I could remotely slap guys behind the head.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
There is not shaming men and then there is rightfully calling out shamefully shameful simpery
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 1y ago
But seriously, if you aren't her first/top choice just leave the dumb bitch to the streets where she belongs.
Lone_Ranger 3 1y ago
The text got clipped. The full ending reads;
"....even if it took seventy chads railing her for years before she was knocked up and kicked off the CC so that I could pick up the pieces and bail her out"
Durek_The_Bald 1y ago
Gee, I wonder what happens nine years later.
fskfsk 1y ago
I read a story about a guy who lived in a state where the law was "After 10 years of marriage, the women gets lifetime alimony. Before that, it's only for a certain number of years." As you might imagine, he got served with divorce papers after 10 years and 1 month.