I think this post opens the door to a conversation that is needed in TRP. I don't necessarily think some of the delivery of it was entirely digestible but this is a needed conversation on here.

A lot of guys here take AWALT to an extreme instead of as a general blueprint for female psychology, biology, and social behavior. There is variation in female preference and behavior and I firmly think this is a topic that is worth developing further

AWALT is commonly misconstrued in RP communities, generally by less experienced users but I've seen some successful men still go into automatic AWALT mode the second their girl does something and then they bungle their frame over it instead of considering nuance

I would encourage some of the highly experienced users to take a stab at an AWALT post or collab on one that we can introduce to TRP to better clarify the concept as IMO it has been a blindspot for years in the sidebar

I'm willing to take a stab at it too later or collaborate on a post with someone

"Hypergamy isn't a straight jacket" ~ Rollo Tomassi. Women can and do have agency and make choices. We're just holding them accountable for those choices.

It's not the nature of women to be AWALT. It's the laws of society that empower and encourage women to be AWALT.

Back in the early days, NAWALT absolutely applied, because women were held accountable for their bad decisions, and shamed by society for going outside the traditional norms. Things have changed drastically since the women's empowerment movement came along, much to the detriment of society.

It's not that women ARE AWALT, but that they CAN BE AWALT, at any given moment and at any time they want to be, with the full backing of the government behind them. Yes, that also includes Little Suzy Homebody the Virgin who ain't never kissed a man before. All it takes nowadays is nothing more than an accusation, or even a suggestion that they've been made to "feel uncomfortable".

"That blind man was staring at me and made me feel uncomfortable."
"He invaded my personal space by coming within 30 feet of me and made me feel uncomfortable."
"He was in the car driving behind me and made me feel uncomfortable."
"I had to cross the street and walk on the other side because the guy coming from the other direction made me feel uncomfortable."
"He won't talk to me other than in a courteous and professional manner and only about work-related things, and it makes me feel uncomfortable."

Next thing you know, you've been #MeToo'd because #BelieveAllWomen and #GuiltyUntilProvenInnocent.

It's not about the women that men should be so cautious, but about the power women wield that can be used to instantly inflict serious damage against them.

Even one tattoo is enough to put her in the no-commitment bin. Never met a mentally stable woman with tats. Ask a girl about the story of her tattoo and it’s never ever good news. Some whores trip, some trauma, some ex, the list goes on and only gets uglier.

Good post. On the face of it, the 'accusation' of hypergamy is really a red herring.

It's worth looking it up in the dictionary.

hypergamy noun the action of marrying or forming a sexual relationship with a person of a superior sociological or educational background.

The modern usage (esp on this forum) is slightly different - we take it to mean women that attempt to date up, or marry up in terms of SMB and RMV. But this is hardly a crime - everyone tries to maximise their own utility. Men do it, we all do it. We try and get the best we can.

I personally have no issue with women trying to get the best partner they can. The real problem for society is the dual mating strategy - when women wont even look at their same value counterparts in the dating (casual sex) market, and then get all confused when it comes to 'settling down' (dating with a purpose, in woman speak) that they are going to have to go several rungs down.

It's the dual mating strategy and the post wall failure to deal with reality that is causing a LTR crisis in the west. We are seeing dramatic falls in household formation and birth rates, and its because of DMS, not hypergamy.

If women understood that they can sleep up for 10 years, but that the price of this is that they will have to marry down, then all would be well. They might look at the deal in front of them, which is this;

1. Sleep up for 15 years, and then marry down and probably not have any kids

OR

1. Forgo the 15 years of sleeping up with dozens of men, and instead marry across (marry someone of the same value) and have a fullfilling family life.

If women knew that was the choice they had to make, I think we would see a huge increase in the number of women that choose option 2.