~2 years ago i made my first post on here and at the time i was in a very bad state mentally and with zero experience at 24.
I've learned a lot compared to where i was but my infield skills still need a lot of work.
I had some shit to fix that prevented me from even wanting to try to meet women but i solved it and finally starting to get some results and finally starting to see a glimpse of what life has to offer, i am finally feeling alive again.
Certainly owe it to TRP for igniting me but i've found useful stuff in other realms too.
I am no longer bitter at life or women. Its great.
Where i am at specifically is: starting to get dates but my poor mouthpiece and game is holding me back, but i see improvements with each new girl. I am making moves and and getting some ASD resistance, usually they say they want to move things more slowly. This is E.Europe we talking about.
I need to work on my calibration and vibe better, create and maintain tension better and choose better moments to do the moves.
Anyways, i am not really asking much in particular, just felt like updating you guys and showing some appreciation.
Only thing i want to ask is this: getting some physicality with no resistance but at the same i dont see much reciprocation either and then when moving in even closer the "move things more slowly" excuse happens and it made me not want to go in for a kiss.
Truth is i want to be more dominant but unsure if i simply fail prior to all of this(my guess) or if i just push more and try to go for a kiss anyway?
Overall, if i cant get a kiss in 2 dates i feel like not pursuing anymore and if no sex by third date also. Do you think this is reasonable for E.Europe?
Think i just need more experience tho.
RiggzHatesYou 2y ago
Kissing isn't a monumental milestone to reach... The game and mouthpiece im sure isn't the limiting factor, what are you doing for work? Hows your social circles?
whytehorse2021 2y ago
I think @polishKnight would know more about E. Europe.
polishknight 2y ago
I dated back in pre-historic times so my observation is as follows:
I don't think EE women (of my era) were offended if a man is reasonably aggressive about physical escalation but they also weren't "sluts" in the sense the ones I saw didn't sleep around. In the states, one of the few benefits to the harshness of the women is that if you didn't bang by the 5th date or so, they probably weren't into you and were going to friendzone you anyway. I personally disapprove of trying to get normal, healthy women into bed for casual sex and not a relationship (it's why our society is a mess) so it's ok to be slow with them. Just don't throw a lot of money at them on dates. But that was my philosophy and experience 20 years ago.
Essentially, EE women to me, at the time, were like American women were back in the 1970's.
SSeuSS 2y ago
As much as I agree with you, that we shouldn't, then I don't think there's much choice. Women in PL prove to go trough fast lane to get westernized soon, holding back would bring no benefits to good guys.
Early '2000, ROOSH released book Bang Poland, describing polish guys as having zero game, next years Erasmus was introduced where apparently (I guess we will never see stats) all dudes were smashing chicks left and right despite having no success in home country. Then you have reports from gaming communities how great Poland is for game. Apparently Indian guys having rather poor results in many countries do well in Poland. Abroad many polish girls are contemptuous toward polish dudes.
Then around this time you get this Cameroonian guy that fucked dozens or hundreds of pl women. The numbers are vaguely known only because he had HIV from the beginning (and knowing about it, he was going rough to increase chance of transfer) and many of the infected came forward. Also once it became public there was apparently significant surge in people taking HIV tests in Poland.
You could reject assumptions based on 1,2 sources but they just pile up too much. And since I gamed several nations abroad myself I can tell - talking to polish girl in Polish is often instant turn off for them. More so to have somewhat representative data I have pretended on occasion to be from elsewhere.
The biggest mindfuck I had was plating polish chick as other national for 2y and getting referral to bang her pl friend, once I have decided to check where will that take me.
I don't exactly blame them for that. I believe they follow development of shitty national identity culture in Poland that make them believe that we are inferior or something. Men can think for themselves but women will fit into this general perception as they usually get influenced easier.
SSeuSS 2y ago
Get the Tom Torrero several GB download from torrents. Its big plenty of videos. You can try his book written in coop with other dudue (troy?)... Or several of those.
I could understand it all with my English at the '90 chatbot level so you'll be good as well.
You can also listen to yt ApexMindset for various bits of advise, not directly linked to pickup tho.