There's a lot of talk about why women lose interest. As someone with long history of playing video games as a hobby, I can't help but notice some parallels.
Some games are poorly designed messes. Some seem excellent at first or have good advertising but quickly get boring from a lack of depth and variety. Some of them are addictive even though you're not really having any fun - just a feeling of progression keeping things going. The best games have depth and variety, and let you live out an interesting story, but sometimes you also find one that breaks all the rules and still works anyways. Some games also end up being comfortable places you like to revisit again and again, and might release a new content pack every now and then. Sometimes you finish a game, then later you come back for the new and improved sequel.
Men are like this.
There are worthless slobs, people that seem technically well put together but are boring, guys that are heavily based around a specific niche, guys that advertise themselves with flashy clothes but have nothing else going for them, etc. I don't think I'm too far off base here.
From another angle, have you noticed that people don't appreciate things they don't have to work for? Games are only fun when there's a challenge involved. If you cheat and turn on god mode and everything goes down in one hit, suddenly it all feels pointless and you long for a challenge again. This is why you pull away, and give yourself a little bit of elusiveness. This is why you control the progression, and let her work to talk you into things but not so hard she gives up. If you make it too easy, you cheat her out of the challenge.
So am I suggesting becoming the Fortnite of men? I very well might be.
If the core loop of your daily life is fun, challenging and addictive then people are going to want to be around you. Provide a feeling of progression - something that is being worked towards with indicators of progress, and you'll help secure things further for the long run. Set the rules and guide things along. You are both the game and the designer.

ExDota2Player 6y ago
I thought you were going to say they enjoy playing with men as a cat plays with a toy, trying to tame them, which I think is more accurate than what you wrote.
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trueliberal1 6y ago
Some men are the Skyrim of women. Others, the Fallout 76.
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
I'm already massive and multiplayer, hardly on-line... do you even lift bro?
Greaterbird 6y ago
Usually push/pull 4 days a week. Kind of lazy about leg day but they still look pretty decent from my high school days.
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
You just repeated the recent video from Darius MGTOW..
Greaterbird 6y ago
What's the name of the video? I'm scrolling through his page and don't see anything obvious so far.
Cryptoguru777 6y ago
I just did some searches and can't find it either, it is out there but can't link it, my apologies It may be a different title. . I watched it not long ago, though. Conclusion was that women don't play video games cause they play men for entertainment.
Bing_Bang_Bam 6y ago
This post blew my mind. I think it is very accurate.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
Seduction used to be the most fun game of all for me
LandoChronus 6y ago
TL;DR OP likes Fortnite and considers that the ultimate game.
MilkMoney111 6y ago
Mannnn FUCK fortnite. Always get my ass handed to me by kids
Greaterbird 6y ago
It's popular, but I actually like the Dark Souls series better. I'm more of a loner than a social guy.
AClive22 6y ago
Bloodborne is a fucking masterpiece
harbinger1945 6y ago
It's community is probably the best I've ever seen - welcoming each other before every fight with a bow, 3v1 invasions turning into 1v1 three times, people with sense of humor in form of text messages on ground - things like that make it one hell of a experience.
And at the same time the games actually give you something - A lot of times it's like a life. You basically bang your head against something as long as it takes until you learn enough to overcome the challenge. It's also one of the reasons why I knew I am capable of getting better in all areas in my life.
If I am capable of going 200 times against Manus over and over until I will defeat him without that breaking me, then I am capable of going out and approaching women on daily basis. It will not break me.
Funnily enough, not everyone has this trait in them. Some people just don't have it in them(to get better).
Fakercel 6y ago
I have a level of respect for anyone who appreciates dark souls, it's challenging enough that you have to put in a good amount of effort to beat it no matter how skilled you are, but it's fair so even if your bad at games play it enough and you will get through it.
If you are weak willed or dislike challenges then you will quit dark souls.
jabba_banana 6y ago
I fucking love souls games!!!
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420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
You'll like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN-rVlMIJZs
SGR1020 6y ago
Dark souls is amazing. Give sekiro a try, combat is more enjoyable just less RPG elements / customization
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Stron2g 6y ago
Dark souls 2 is best dark souls, change my mind
MyNameIsSaifa 6y ago
Best PvP in the entire series by far.
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15ludwicke 6y ago
Bruh please play through one and three and then make that comment again, ive played all three and one and two are leagues above three IMO
ImNotSue 6y ago
Dark souls 2 pvp was miles better.
Stron2g 6y ago
I agree, the first two are better than three
falconiawillfall 6y ago
Demon's Souls still has the best atmosphere out of all the Souls games imo
jackandjill22 6y ago
Facts. Posts about video games stay up here but actual discussions about cold-approaching or game are discouraged? Weird. Ya'll need to get out more.
Greaterbird 6y ago
Games are just an analogy. This is a post about women making choices about who they are with based on novelty and utility, and treating men like a form of interactive entertainment by living in the reality that man has created around himself.
MyNameIsSaifa 6y ago
Since we can assume most natural alphas don't need a sub like this, we can infer most people here are not natural alphas and are in fact somewhat beta. The whole point of trp is to change that.
So yeah, the video game analogy is probably super useful to get your point across to basement dwelling virgins who do nothing with their time other than masturbate and game.
Bing_Bang_Bam 6y ago
That's kind of a hard slam. Veterans from Afghanistan play FPS during downtime to unwind. They are undoubtedly 6'5 square jawed alphas.
Everyone under 40 games now pretty much.
Greaterbird 6y ago
Those beta males, so unstable, so full of bugs and inconsistencies. Throughly unfinished and untested. It could make a brogrammer cry.
jackandjill22 6y ago
No. Not true. I build theory in the forums, go out & test it in the field, & come back & report my results like an actual scientist; just of game. Speak for yourselves. I like creating a compendium of knowledge we can all usem
MyNameIsSaifa 6y ago
I could give you a massive amount of knowledge about software architecture, if you're not at least familiar in the field it would be absolutely useless without example analogies.
hearse223 6y ago
I want to be the Dark Souls of men, how do I achieve this?
Lacrimosa7 6y ago
Focus on being a good mechanic with a dark depressing backstory. Get into making bonfires and find a cheap castle dungeon for sale; decorate it like it's Halloween year round.
Greaterbird 6y ago
The Dark Souls of men:
- You're kind of dark and brooding and depressing to be around, but also addictive in a way. You probably have some kind of disorder like BPD.
- You don't ever really tell her anything directly about yourself. Things just kind of get exposed in brief anytime she asks you about one of your items. There are entire wiki sites devoted just to trying to figure you out.
- You're kind of sadistic, but in a consistent way that makes it always feel like her fault for just not being good enough. Every time she gets past one thing there's a new even worse problem to try to overcome, but the challenge makes her feel just so damn satisfied when she makes some real progress.
- You regularly spend time relaxing with her around bonfires. While there, you fill up her canteen with refreshing drinks.
- She gradually sucks out your soul one little bit at a time just to make herself stronger.
- You only allow her to communicate with her friends via post it notes, and even then only with predetermined phrases. Somehow she still manages to write crude messages.
rubenescaray 6y ago
Dark Souls is my favorite game tied with Breath of the Wild.
This is gold right here.
I don't quite get Dark Souls, but I always want more.
riggedved 6y ago
Umm. No, my analogy would be different.
If you wanted to be a "Dark Souls", here is what that would entitle:
Boy, would I love to be a Dark Souls to women or what!!
Greaterbird 6y ago
Too much tongue out of cheek, not enough tongue in cheek.
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chazthundergut 6y ago
Youre still focused on the female POV. Wait till you stop trying to create the right game for females to play, and instead start treating THEM like they are just toys.
I am drunk on pussy right now. It's a wonderful world
Greaterbird 6y ago
I'm not, but I can see how you might interpret it that way from my phrasing. The game you create is made for yourself first, not to pander to what charts, graphs and focus groups say your audience wants.
Based on your comment, it sounds as if you have forged the reality you wish to live in, and other people see you living that reality and want to participate.
Gackt 6y ago
can you expand on it just a little please.
SlimeWizard 6y ago
Why it’s called game.
Why do women say “you’re playing with them” when you’re just playing.
Why are guys that are successful with women called “players”
All questions that are not all that hard to figure out. Women are just as much of a video game to guys as we are to women, it’s all about how you think about what you’re doing in a series of moments.
ihaphleas 6y ago
Just to add to this a tiny bit, people like stories, not facts. The best games usually have a storyline or allow you to make your own in a big world. When you tell people about yourself, don't list facts, tell stories.
If you need to, sit down and write the stories of your life. It doesn't have to be a complete and continuous narrative, just different episodes. Start with a list of facts if you need to. Then write, and polish. The point is not to memorize, but to have these stories come to mind when you need them. Write longer versions and shorter versions if that helps.
If you don't have many stories, go and make some. Travel, take up a sport more or less seriously, run a marathon, volunteer, learn an instrument and actually play for people. Ever seen a girl's Tinder account? Often it's "I've traveled here," "I like (or have tried) this sport," etc. No one but your buddies are interested in that time you no-scoped that guy from 200 meters in a video game.
LostInVayne 6y ago
Isn't this comparing men to women? TRP has taught me that what's mostly wrong with men is that they compare themselves to women and act/react accordingly. Aren't we supposed differentiate between the two genders? We communicate overtly, females covertly. We're rationale, they're emotional... I love the game analogy presented here and I relate to it 100/100 as I spent a lot of time playing video games, however I think the loop here is that you're bringing a perspective that we react the same way to everything. Especially games being in the virtual reality, I think you can make the same argument with sports but in a much better way. Because nothing is that fixated, as presented here.
Greaterbird 6y ago
I knew a girl who absolutely adored the David Tennant and Matt Smith years of Doctor Who. Here was a handsome and capable mysterious and mesmerizing man that never backs down, always comes out on top and takes girls away from their boring life to lead them to fantastical places and exciting adventures. Just look at how wonderful her life would be if she could just find a man like this.
She was so repulsed when he turned into the old man of Peter Capaldi that she stopped watching the show entirely, and even said as much. I never met anyone so shallow.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
To be fair David Tennant and Matt Smith were the two best doctors BY FAR and Capaldi was meh personally. I have not watched a single episode involving the newest iteration of the Doctor though and reviews still aren't showing the show is good
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HBenedek38 6y ago
If this analogy is correct, I'm probably a mixture of Aliens: Colonial Marines and Dark Souls, based on my dating history.
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Ridabewa 6y ago
I like it, but you didn’t describe why the king the is the king.
8380atgmaildotcom 6y ago
If you don't have him then you can't play the game.
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idk chief patrice o neil said it the best shes the queen, the kings bitch
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Your points are all valid. It is as valid as me saying I can get shot, stabbed, raped or tortured at any time. Sure it can happen but the chances aren't high except for divorce. If you are getting married you should marry a girl on a similar financial level to you or be in a situation where losing half isn't going to bother you.
The problem I have with your way of thinking is that it plays into men being the victim too much. I don't want to be a victim, I want to be leading the way in every situation.
DigitalFam 6y ago
Nah, it's chess. Women are the queen on a chess board.
There's only one woman on the board. Her "power" that you speak of is her devotion to the King. She does not "use" any of the other pieces. They all do what they can to serve the King together.
If needed, the queen must cooperate and sacrifice herself for the king... even if there are pawns or other pieces still on the board. She can't "do whatever she wants" lol
whuttupfoo 6y ago
All the other pieces protect her, just like the king. She has no devotion to the king. As soon as the white king is checkmated, the black king comes out and pipes her and all her friends, producing gray knights and bishops. Hypergamated.
Stron2g 6y ago
She can, you're forgetting the invisible gun. What you describe may have been accurate a few centuries ago
DigitalFam 6y ago
We're talking about chess. If the King is in danger, she's done. His life is more important.
Meng_Hao9 6y ago
So you are saying we should throw 100 women onto an island and make them fight for the victory royale?
Greaterbird 6y ago
Finally someone who understands!
Avskygod0 6y ago
If I ever get loads of money imma make a reality show with that premise
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ImNotSue 6y ago
Got a source? Wanna see the details of the study.
someonesopinion6969 6y ago
watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCePbRdQmbE
and then watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gkiUF6liYQ
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If anyone is interested, it's a television about children living on their own. it shows a lot of what we talk about here in raw forms, honestly worth a watch just to see how the different children interact in a group
Whopper_Jr 6y ago
Jonathan Haidt on JRE went over this. Really wild what social media is doing to kids, worth the watch https://youtu.be/CI6rX96oYnY
ISeeThings404 6y ago
Could you link the study I'm interested in this.
andyturbo2000 6y ago
It’s in a Jordan Peterson video, which one I’m not sure
Stron2g 6y ago
Girls are natural sociopaths I swear to God bruh, absolutely master manipulators
WantAdvicePls333 6y ago
guys are good athletics, girls are good at politicking and manipulating. Both genders have different strengths and weaknesses.
Project_Zero_Betas 6y ago
Once you adhere to the maxim "Watch their actions, not their words" women become incredibly easy to see through.
odaklanan_insan 6y ago
One of the core teachings of TRP.
Project_Zero_Betas 6y ago
Yup, there's this sub-human cunt who keeps trying to convince me she's going to confront me any day but I constantly see through it and she becomes disappointed knowing she's going to get hard nexted when she does. Her worse mistake was playing games for so long I was able to discover this sub.
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punkrockfishboy 6y ago
This is a TRP post? The thing is not all men are the same. There are tiers of men. I would argue that true men that are confident and have had enough positive experiences with women haven't even heard of this sub or whatever "red pill is". I'm to the point where I don't give a shit about women because of the fact I'm gonna die someday, and whether I have success with them doesn't matter to me anymore, but I'm like, it's fun to talk to girls so why not? (at least I find it fun, as I don't care about the result). To each their own I guess. The men in this time range from most attractive to quality females all the way to incels. There's so many examples, such as men buying some gamergirl bath water. (whatever, It may be considered retarded to me, but they will do they), or dumbasses tipping on chaturbate (again, they do they. Idk).
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I think I need to take a break from reading posts from this sub or something. Not trying to offend you, but I swear, because this is a sub that almost anyone can post on, it's hard to know what's really true about women, attracting women, bettering yourself, and others. Too many posts from too many people's perspectives.
Greaterbird 6y ago
Sure, tiers of men are covered in the post.
The equivalent of a human beta would be a game that expects a lot of investment for very little payoff, while also being unstable and full of inconsistencies. The reality he's attempting to bring a girl into is a chaotic mess that he's allowed to happen through mere inaction, rather than one carefully crafted by forging oneself into something greater.
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martynhare 6y ago
I totally agree with this. They're also not afraid of Game Over because they know they can just insert another one (if you catch my drift).
Ridabewa 6y ago
Excellent analogy, I’ll remember this
retardedwhiteknight 6y ago
i want to be like darkest dungeon
Vikingcel 6y ago
Your reply to every shit test:
"Remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer."
FluffyLlamaPants 6y ago
Unnessesarily difficult at the most unexpected times, while making her want to keep playing through the tears of frustration?
I like your style!
Anasthaesium 6y ago
Life is not a game . There are serious consequences to risks gone awry if you don’t secure the downside , risks that will make your life a living hell.
Greaterbird 6y ago
If it was a game, I'd disable permadeath.
Cheeseking11 6y ago
Your analogy is off.
Let's take an RPG game as an example.
Men are the main character in the game that represents their life. Woman are the boss battles you face along the way on your adventure. Your friends are your player party.
Your SMV is your level in the game. We all start at level 0.
In order to beat(Shag) the bosses you need X level and skill/equipment/etc. You only can use the equipment and skills as you level up and unlock them. The better the player party the better your chances of defeating the boss (Social Proof).
The RedPill gives men the information they need to learn how to level up i.e. increase your SMV.
It's the job of the men to take the information and embark on an endless grind to increase their level. The stronger the opponents you face the more EXP you get and the faster you level up. Killing sheep (Shagging whales) endlessly will level you up at an extremely slow rate and at a certain point no longer level you up at all.
There is no level cap in the real life and you can level down also. The bosses level down as time passes (The Wall) so you have to search for new ones.
Get grinding loser.
Greaterbird 6y ago
I agree with that analogy. I tend to think of longer term relationships as behaving like roguelikes. After a relationship ends, you restart with a new challenge that has different variables, but various things carry over.
RightHandWolf 6y ago
I guess I need to dust off my 20 sided dice and upgrade my armor and weapons...
Who's gonna go pick up the pizza and beer? I went last week, so draw straws or something.
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Managicall 6y ago
You had me until you went off the rails talking about pedophilia. No wonder we are quarantined.
Pillbugs_Guns 6y ago
And once she 'wins' the game, by making you submit to her and coming out in charge of the dynamic, she loses interest because there's no more challenge.
Greaterbird 6y ago
Exactly, you've hit upon the key thing here. When you're playing for challenge, then once you master the game the game stops being fun.
Warren_Bateman 6y ago
I like and agree with this metaphor. Men as entertainment for women makes sense; especially in society which gives women unlimited tokens.
I’ll do my best to be the game I can be. talking open world, and constant updates and DLC
unnaturalcontrol 6y ago
I think this is a decent example to get some of these kids (literal kids) an idea of the "game"
I would have liked to see a little bit more of the women fitting in, for example the challenges they like to see,how they "play the game", or how shit tests/other red pill concepts function within this analogy.
For example- shit tests are the women exploring the game. The woman wonders "If I surf on this exact tile of water and land, what will happen?" (MISSINGNO glitch) The woman wants to know if she can "break the game" or break your frame.
Just something off the top of my head.
Overall, nice little article.
Can I get a TL:DR?
Greaterbird 6y ago
TL:DR - Most people are bored/boring, and everyone wants to consume. You create your own reality which women are drawn to. From the woman's side, this can be compared to the experience of playing different video games. You don't often run across a game you feel like you could play forever that just blows everything else out of the water. Same for a songs, movies, tv shows, etc. It's rare to find one you won't tire of eventually.
cpotpie1 6y ago
I just wanna say I was being sarcastic about the TL:DR
SeasonedRP 2 6y ago
I think this is a good analogy, OP, as you have described it. I don't know a thing about video games, but the parallels you mention seem valid. Showing your feelings and coming across as too easy are surefire ways to kill attraction.
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Odd18 6y ago
Why are you even playing video games?
ImNotSue 6y ago
If you only have so much energy to dedicate to something, and need an activity that expends little while giving your body time to recover, what would you suggest?
I've seen people suggest reading classic literature but I think they miss the point of why one would suggest not playing video games at all. 'Reading a book' and 'playing a video game' are both consuming media all the same. Some of its garbage, I say having read a fair bit. Just cus some dead guy said something and someone else put it in a book doesn't mean anything. It can be as equally valuable or worthless as crochet or meditation or videogames. Engaging in it to excess or generally to your own detriment is awful. 'Don't play videogames' is advising you so because it's easy to waste your time overindulging on garbage playing your ten thousandth game of League or Fortnite, grinding away in an MMO so you can see arbitrary numbers, or crushing that candy to see blocks explode. Stuff that doesn't improve yourself or give you meaningful experiences.
So I say, be smart about yourself and your time with video games. You can play a few rounds with the buds after work and have a good time, look into a indie masterpiece with a unique spin and an amazing artstyle, or slowly tread through the final game in a favorite series in the evening over a few months. Do what's your thing. Just take responsibility for yourself.
Greaterbird 6y ago
I'd rather unwind with something interactive than watch sports. Other than working in the industry, my life doesn't revolve around them.
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