Summary: Cold approached a girl, who was born in a traditional country and currently has a boyfriend. She was okay with sexual groping but wouldn't kiss, probably because in her head at the time, only kissing would count as cheating. She made her thoughts explicit when she said, "What's with you and kisses? What are we, 14? People eat ass nowadays." Another red-pill for me to realize how girls often (not always, of course) think about sex, even traditional-seeming girls.
Body:
For context, I'm probably intermediate in game, and new to lifting.
I was out in the evening and walked up beside this girl, and told her she looked nice and that I wanted to meet her. She responded well, we talked for a bit, then I said "do you wanna sit down" and she told me she had a boyfriend but that she could talk with me anyway. In my head I thought, fuck it, let's see what happens. So I sat down with her anyway.
It was clear from the way she was looking at me that she was attracted to me. I put on my narcissistic vibe and led the free-flow conversation, while she put her leg next to mine and let our legs touch / rub a little. At some point I said "I'm cold" and put my arm around her, even though it wasn't cold out and I literally had a sweater in my lap. She called me out on the sweater, and I said "well that would be too warm, I need a middle eastern girl like you to keep me at the right temperature". Obviously complete bullshit, but as they say, attraction isn't a choice and she passively enjoyed having my arm around her waist. I then tried to kiss her and she didn't reciprocate, but then she continued talking anyway and even invited me to hang out with her and her friends.
Then we went for a walk for a while. At some point while shooting the shit, I decided to experiment, and I asked her what she would do if she had a really sexist boyfriend who threw chains on her and beat her if she didn't cook him food well. "Like, just hypothetically, what would you do?" Her response: "That would be hot actually. Like not if he was serious, but if it was BDSM or something, that'd be hot." So I grabbed her hair at the back of her head, looked intensely into her eyes, and role-played being the boyfriend demanding her to "make me some fucking lasagna". She got turned on from that ("yeah that was hot", she said).
We walked further and I ended up pinning her against walls and groping her while calling her names like slut/whore/worthless, with us both either laughing or actively being turned on. Sometimes she'd walk away, but then she'd walk back to me when I told her to. But the whole time, she wouldn't kiss me, even as my hands were on her tits. I kept trying to kiss her and but she wouldn't let our lips touch. I'll add that I was very aware of her body language the whole time, and never let it slip into sketchy territory where I was doing something that she legitimately didn't want me to do.
Anyway, as I wrote above in the summary, at some point as we walked back and I tried to kiss her again, she said something like, "Kissing, really? What are we, 14? People eat ass nowadays." Soon after that we split ways, her going to meet friends and me giving up on the interaction.
Conclusion:
- Girls can indeed not feel bad about cheating, especially if you're the one making the moves because then she feels like it's not on her. Not that she'd probably ever tell her boyfriend about our interaction anyway.
- Most girls like it rough. I searched for a limit of abusive/dominant behaviour that wouldn't turn her on, and didn't find one
- I've heard PUAs talk before about girls with boyfriends who will have sex but not kiss. This was my first experience with that.
- I feel guilty about making moves on a girl who had a boyfriend, but my mind also wants to know how common it is for girls to cheat.
- Sex is not a big deal to girls. Two years ago, I'd have thought a girl like this would only open up sexually to a guy after months of romance. But because this girl saw me in the alpha-lover role, she was comfortable letting me know that kissing would be taking it too far, while groping (or maybe even sex) was totally fine.
red_matrix 6y ago
Kissing is a big part of foreplay and really the only time you should be making out.
linkinway 6y ago
Darn that girl ain't loyal. And i don't understand why in TRP you all advocating making moves on other men's girlfriends. I mean this was really low. It's called 'simp' right?
Also seems like many girls have a very wrong definition of cheating. She let you touch her and grope her but only found kissing to be cheating.
Wow, this makes want to go mgtow. If it been me I would have shown some brotherhood and told the bf that his gf was a slut.
Chitlinsandgravy 6y ago
TRP. Helping people to feed themselves.
Helping yourself to their lunch if they're slacking on their game.
She ain't yours, it's just your turn.
The morality of moving on a girl who's "taken" is up to the individual.
Can you take her, though?
Edit: telling the boyfriend would be great, if that's something you believe in. Are you prepared for shit to possibly go south, and him go BP on you?
It also has machiavellian implications. Such a thing would be great for currying favor, fostering a sense pf comradeship. If that's your thing, of course.
HurricaneHugues 6y ago
The thing is that it's not you making the moves that makes her a slut that's dtf. Shes already a slut that's dtf, you're making noves so that you can bust a nut for yourself. It's like not picking apples from a public apple tree. The apples are there and they want to be picked, otherwise they fall to the ground and rot.
Those sluts in relationships that we advocate fucking will fuck somebody else anyways, so it might as well be you.
linkinway 6y ago
Yes but like this we only are encouraging it. If we suppose reject them and tell them that we don't be a part of cheating and she is a disgusting and shameless human for wanting to do this, it will hit them at some level. If it happens repetitively with like 3-4 guys (I know it might not, but if men do rise up to sensibility) she might be actually taken aback.
Thing is if you are not shamed for something wrong you do, you won't feel very wrong about it.
Remember it might happen to you someday also. So what goes around comes back around.
And what if that guy goes on to marry that cheating whore? How would you really feel about it? Real men will slip a tip (maybe an anonymous tip backed with some evidence) that they are being betrayed. No man deserves to be living a lie.
Also when women (majority of them) find out that the guy has a gf/wife they contact them and salvage them. Seems like women have great sisterhood protecting themselves from cheaters but we men ourselves knowingly run after other men's girlfriends/wives making cheating very easy for them. Forget contacting the bf/husband and saving them from a life of lie.
We men are responsible for our own troubles, not women.
Field_Of_View 6y ago
BS. Rare thing and it's more likely the second woman will do this to hurt the man, rather than to help his woman.
linkinway 6y ago
not all of them. but most of them, yes. have seen this happening a lot lot. apparently, they have great sisterhood. and this sisterhood is only pertained to - themselves. they will also protect each other's cheating acts. it really shocks me the level of sisterhood they have. you make one statement against a woman they will take it on themselves, even though she might have she might have done something really wrong.
HurricaneHugues 6y ago
Not gonna read all that sensitive garbage.. Sluts are sluts. If you don't fuck her somebody else will. It's that simple. It really is that simple. You can't change the nature of a slut. Sluts do what sluts do. Dogs bark, cats meow, cows moo, and sluts slut around. That's who they are. Shaming does not work on them. If you dont fuck her, somebody else will.
No matter what you do, a slut will always be a slut. The best thing to do is to properly vet the girls you decide you want to be committed to, so that you don't end up getting cucked. You can't turn a slut into a resoectable woman. The same way you can't make a cat do pony tricks. Learn to accept people for who they are and not who you want them to be. Again, a slut's purpose is to slut around.
I'll fuck your wife too if she comes my way.
linkinway 6y ago
Dude it's not about that slut, it's about that guy who is being played. I have said this to men before and I have got huge support, but some in this sub seem to be too much after pick up that they are forgetting the boundaries. Also, such men are called "simps" who go after other men's women. Even the OP mentioned that he felt bad and guilty doing this and was only experimenting to see how their take is on cheating. It is beyond crap to justify sexual relations with a woman in relationship, it's just like those women who justify their cheating in marriage by saying it makes them better wives and saves the marriage. WHAT has happened to all these men and women?
Also women have this sister code to save themselves from cheating partners by exposing the cheating bf/husband. And they DO THIS for real a lot lot. Whereas it's so common to find your best friend fucking your wife. It's toxic masculinity. This is the only and only one domain where I will give the heads up to the women.
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DubbleFUPAwitCheez 6y ago
If she's letting you touch her all over but not letting you kiss her, see how much she's willing to touch you. Take her hand and put it on your junk.
She might not kiss your lips but she might make out with your dick. If you had her do that then when she said this infamous comeback you could have said, "Then suck my dick instead." ESPECIALLY since she was loving being told what to do. To me what she said would have pinged in my head that she escalated. I'd say you blew an opportunity. It'd be quite a memory, that time you met a girl in the street that claimed to have a bf and got her to give you a blowjob then never saw her again. Too bad.
flipdoggers 6y ago
Yup I can definitely picture how it could've gone further. But I'm also pretty okay with the fact that it didn't, cause like I said I also feel bad about helping a girl cheat.
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 6y ago
When it comes to cheating you either have it in you or you don't. She'll cheat with some other guy. The only question is if you want to be an accessory to it, I'm guessin you don't.
fofz1776 6y ago
It's like the drug dealer mentality that addicts will just buy from somebody else.
Is it ok to exploit something if you know someone else will exploit it?
Lambdal7 6y ago
This only works with 20% of women.
BumblingBeta 6y ago
When she said "people eat ass nowadays", did she mean she wanted you to eat her ass, or her to eat your ass?
AdrenalineJunkySloth 6y ago
The fine line here that always gets me is if she's really into it or is she some crazy bitch that's trying to lead me on and then get me in trouble. Because I don't mind the playing around BUT the chance of her being a psycho bitch and reporting me is scary.
Sac_fo_dayz 6y ago
Sounds like a line from Fight Club.
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
"People eat ass nowadays."
Yep. They do. You have to be careful with hygiene, ofc, but have a girl do it to you; it feels AMAZING.
Here's a story about how a TRPer boy became a TRPer Man: Hilarious story inside.
flipdoggers 6y ago
Great read. Thanks Uncle, you seem chill af, I've loved a bunch of your posts
calcul8rallig8r 6y ago
Cool story and no distespect but you should introspect on why the fuck did you not close?
Flawless44 6y ago
Sometimes it's just not worth it. Especially when encountering mixed signals, and a girl with a boyfriend.
You're wading into moderate mental health issues territory and placing yourself In danger.
fofz1776 6y ago
Curious what you mean by danger. Like false rape accusations?
Flawless44 6y ago
When dealing with someone not completely stable, they can behave erratically. Like for example, saying they want to have sex with you, but being stand off ish and push you away when you get intimate, while continuing to say you should keep going.
That's a dangerous situation to be in. If you have sex, did you commit rape or not?
Best solution is just to leave. It's not worth the risk of dealing with any kind of accusation, false or not.
Have sex with people who want to have sex with you and dont have underlying mental health issues. It's great and it's safe.
flipdoggers 6y ago
Yup, especially the mixed signals
DeborahBinLaden 6y ago
“What are we, 14? People eat ass nowadays” hahahahahahahaha thats good
Ayrab4Trump 6y ago
Prostitutes also don’t kiss it said.
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
This should be an AutoModerator automatic reply to all of AskTRP questions
NomBok 6y ago
She might have been paraphrasing this meme / tweet https://twitter.com/elijahdaniel/status/897795140923686912?s=20
flipdoggers 6y ago
Hahahahah that could totally be it
whataccent 6y ago
I've heard girls (through first-hand and second-hand experience) complain about guys wanting to "kiss all the time." The only guy I've heard say that kissing is boring was an oversexed half-Persian guy who would hit it with anything.
I guess my point would be that people get desensitized to actual affection and wanna skip to the genital stimulation.
On a side note, you didn't get to touch her boobs?
Putuz 6y ago
Happened to me more than 20 years ago. Learn the lesson. Put dick in their mouths on first on second date since then, anal on second or third date. And yes, they like and expect that.
flipdoggers 6y ago
Maybe some people, but in this case I think it was that kissing would make her feel like it was properly cheating on her boyfriend, and that kissing gives more of the "comfort" value to the girl that she'd want from her boyfriend, not from a random lover encounter where (evolutionarily) she'd just want the genes from the alpha. I'd guess she genuinely loves kissing her boyfriend.
Nah just over the shirt. She def had some limits when it came to cheating. Not that I really care lol, I'm working on making progress in terms of abundance mentality (not getting hung up on any particular girls) and "I'm the prize" mentality.
linkinway 6y ago
Nope. Cheaters will manipulate everything to condone their behavior. By not going for kissing she is manipulating her mind that she didn't cheat so as to not feel guilt. If she feels guilty she might end up confessing to her bf which she doesn't want.
I mean wow I had no idea women could stoop this low. By letting you grope her boobs only over the shirt she was again condoning herself that she was being faithful and loyal to her boyfriend. This generation of girls are actually not worth dating.
screenmagnet 6y ago
She could just be afraid of herpes. Some girls don’t kiss PUA types because of that.
EntropyForeverx 6y ago
Fucking degenerates. Eating someone's ass? Seriously?
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
Have a girl do it to you, and you will be singing a different tune. It feels AMAZING. Just don't eat her ass. That would be gross.
StarchRunner 6y ago
Just a heads up, that shit can lead to stuff like this:
Normally, these parasites are in pork, but even if not cooked well, they’re at a stage invtheir cycle where they can’t do much. In faces, they change to a type than cross the blood brain barrier.
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
You can also get AIDS from having sex, too, Dr. Buzzkill.
A. As I said, upthread, you have to be careful with hygiene.
B. It feels amazing as fuck.
C. Don't eat her ass; that would be gross.
D. Don't bang randos from 3rd world countries, where that shit (pun fully intended) is more likely to happen.
StarchRunner 6y ago
Yeah, I read you the first time. It was info for those who come here for knowledge.
EntropyForeverx 6y ago
I can imagine a host of other things that feel good but are still considered degenerate by the general public.
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
I bang women 25-30 years younger than I am. Let's just say that I don't care much about what other people think of me.
Korrangar 6y ago
Only other women would be mad about that
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
And jelly, no pussy getting betafags.
max_peenor 6y ago
it is a HUGE deal to women.... when it is happening. They will burn down empires over that time they got fucked properly. It's just that most sex they get is bleh, so most of their reaction to it is bleh. So don't be bleh.
8380atgmaildotcom 6y ago
Transactional sex is not a big deal to girls.
Validational sex is a huge deal to women.
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L3onard3 6y ago
It’s probably a good thing she didn’t kiss you then.
mtriad 6y ago
Humans can indeed... of both genders... I find it funny people here say 'girls' as if they were aliens of some sort.
I made out real hard, in a wedding with one of the bridesmaids... was about to have sex when she showed me her engagement ring (which I didn't notice was one) yeah she left her fiancee home to come to the wedding. But we groped and kissed really hard to the point I was sure we were about to have sex but she "sobered up". Not all of them are cheaters tho.. but the unreliable non-wife material ones will cheat if their BF's are average.. still once a cheater always a cheater to me not wife material (who wants a wife anyway)
Most humans do, as long as it's play
That's really relative
I don't feel guilty for the times I done in the past but nowadays I stay away from these unless they are in an open relationship. Too many other options to waste my time 1. dealing with a cheater and 2. messing with someone else's lady
Sex is not a big deal to anyone.. well at least it shouldn't be. People who are surprised with this fact probably need to lose some programming.
flipdoggers 6y ago
Completely man, that's the whole point of this sub: losing incorrect/disempowering blue pill conditioning. The whole idea is that we've been taught incorrect things about girls like that they take sex seriously and only have sex within committed relationships, that the best sex involves only gentle stroking and caressing of each other's bodies, etc.
Girls and guys are actually wired differently so it makes sense to talk about them separately in certain contexts.
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Researcher707 6y ago
This reassures some things, thanks.
4juice 6y ago
Not to offend you but maybe your breath stinks? Or she was just being responsible because she got herpes or afraid of contracting one?
phibetared 6y ago
Not sure why anyone would downvote you for this. She's obviously highly sexual - and likely has cold sores - so was being considerate by not kissing him and passing along a highly contagious problem.
Dls95405 6y ago
"People eat ass nowadays."
Do you really not know how offensive this statement is to most people? I've had far more women than you could ever dream of, yet not a single one has ever said such a thing let alone suggest we do it.
IvyExcess 6y ago
My favorite bitch ate my ass the first time we fucked in her car. It's the main reason I called her a second time. Get with the times
aWorldBornDead 6y ago
Yeah most RP guys are so vanilla about their sex. Screaming about their blowjobs because it's what high school locker room taught them. If a girl wont let me lick her asshole shes gone. And never had one refuse it.
red_matrix 6y ago
I can’t tell if this is sarcasm...
RobertLongshaft81 6y ago
Offensive? Grow a pair, all the kids are doing this shit these days. Might not be mine or your cup of tea but each to their own.
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Dls95405 6y ago
LOL, no, they're not. As always, they're simply saying things to offend the older generations. If you think teenage girls are licking the assholes of teenage boys you're delusional. It'll be interesting to see what offends the current "ass eaters" when they have kids.
IvyExcess 6y ago
They are. Trust me they are.
PhyllisWheatenhousen 6y ago
Lol dude, eating ass is great. You're missing out.
max_peenor 6y ago
What wine do you pair with that?
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 6y ago
We only get together to have seeeeeex.
We need to do more things together as a couuuupllllllle.
max_peenor 6y ago
^ ^ ^ CAT 5, industrial grade moneyshot folks and you aren't gonna get it without thinking about it.
AdeHMar 6y ago
Famiglia Bianchi, malbec 2007.
max_peenor 6y ago
The polar opposite of a northern hemisphere Malbec in tasting, but in a compelling sort of way. Most sweet tooth, but fruit Americans would have no idea what to do with it. Then again, miss priss's asshole isn't going to be fruit forward either.
It's an incredible value given the price.
AdeHMar 6y ago
And considering it costs 4 dollars where I live, even more.